Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Night, Good evening, Sorry tonight, Albanezi accused of turning
Speaker 2: a blind eye to the antisemitism crisis. He failed to
Speaker 2: mention the terror threat in Federal caucus today.
Speaker 1: Former Home Affairs Secretary.
Speaker 2: Mike Bozzullo would join me in an exclusive interview. He's
Speaker 2: calling for an Operation Sovereign Border style campaign to tackle antisemitism.
Speaker 2: That's coming up in a moment also on the show tonight.
Speaker 2: Despite evidence from British Israeli hostage Emily Damari that she
Speaker 2: was held in UNRA facilities in Gaza, Penny Wong continues
Speaker 2: to send millions of your taxpayer dollars to the terrorist
Speaker 2: riddled organization, and ahead of the election, the top donors
Speaker 2: to both the Labor and Liberal parties revealed.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who they are tonight.
Speaker 2: Plus, Hollywood actor Daniel Lissing joins me on the show
Speaker 2: for an exclusive interview. But first, Anthony Albanesi continues to
Speaker 2: turn a blind eye to the antisemitism crisis. The Prime
Speaker 2: Minister addressed Federal Caucus today ahead of the final parliamentary
Speaker 2: sitting period before the election, and in his caucus address,
Speaker 2: he failed to even once mention the antisemitism emergency that
Speaker 2: Australia is experiencing. This is a wave of domestic terror.
Speaker 2: It's affecting our entire country, with a preschool and a
Speaker 2: synagogue in different states Firebond. But Albanezy didn't think it
Speaker 2: was important enough to mention. Instead, he told his MP's
Speaker 2: and I'm quoting, we begin twenty twenty five with a
Speaker 2: great sense of optimism.
Speaker 1: Optimism. What world is he living in?
Speaker 2: This is the most terrified time to live in Sydney
Speaker 2: or Melbourne in decades.
Speaker 1: Babs. Ever, if the.
Speaker 2: Prime Minister has really failed to understand the climate in
Speaker 2: the country, he supposedly leads that he is more out
Speaker 2: of touch than we realized. He's surrounded by high walls
Speaker 2: and twenty four to seven security at the Lodge and
Speaker 2: at Kiribilly House.
Speaker 1: He's shielded from.
Speaker 2: The wave of domestic terror that's unfolding on our streets,
Speaker 2: and his comments optimistic, everything's fine.
Speaker 3: His attitude is unforgivable.
Speaker 2: The fact that he's let our country degenerate to the
Speaker 2: point where criminals feel free to attack Jews is unforgivable.
Speaker 2: As Dennis Shanahan writes tonight in the Australian Anthony Albanese's
Speaker 2: caucus address signals he doesn't want to talk anti Semitism
Speaker 2: or an earlier elects. And here's what Dennis Shanahan told
Speaker 2: Peter Kradlin earlier.
Speaker 4: Anthony Alberesi has been unable to answer key security questions
Speaker 4: about the caravan bomb in Durall in Western Sydney, and
Speaker 4: he has tried to deflect the anti Semitism issue as
Speaker 4: much as he can. This week in the Parliament. He
Speaker 4: didn't mention it in his address to his labor colleagues,
Speaker 4: first address to the Labor Caucus this year.
Speaker 2: Make no mistake, this is the single most critical national
Speaker 2: security issue Australia confronts right now, yet Albanezi, the Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: doesn't want to know about it. Just on the weekend
Speaker 2: we saw anti Semitic attacks across Australia, including Jewish women
Speaker 2: being egged while walking down the street. The young women,
Speaker 2: aged in their twenties, were reportedly wearing Star of David
Speaker 2: necklaces like I Am in Bondi at nine point thirty
Speaker 2: on Saturday night and a group of men egged them.
Speaker 2: The car they were speeding around in was later found
Speaker 2: abandoned in a nearby suburb, Rose Bay, where the jerry
Speaker 2: can found inside and the egg carton.
Speaker 1: Police said that they're investigating.
Speaker 2: This as an anti Semitic incidents an.
Speaker 1: Say at this point in time, yes we are.
Speaker 2: That's what the police say officially on the record. Across
Speaker 2: the country this weekend there was also in Sydney in
Speaker 2: suburbs Randwick. In Kingsford, cars vandalized and walls and buildings
Speaker 2: with f jews. In Melbourne, a prominent Jewish business leader's
Speaker 2: home who I'm not going to name was also graffiti
Speaker 2: with the star of David and in Wa a.
Speaker 1: Swastika and more f jews.
Speaker 2: This anti Semitic vandalism has sadly become normalized. Even police
Speaker 2: admit antisemitism is now normal. This was Deputy Police Commissioner
Speaker 2: Dave Hudson saying on Thursday that the caravan with explosives
Speaker 2: wasn't your normal anti Semitic attack.
Speaker 5: Obviously, the discovery and the detection of the caravan contained
Speaker 5: with an amount of explosives was not known to be
Speaker 5: used in the normal anti Semitic attack that we have
Speaker 5: seen occur in Sydney, such as graffiti and arson attacks.
Speaker 2: How can there now be a normal anti Semitic attack.
Speaker 2: This is the reality of life in Australia right now.
Speaker 2: As the Deputy Police Commissioner said, anti Semitic attacks are
Speaker 2: now normal. Antisemitism has become normalized in our country under
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi. Yet the Albanese government struggles to call out
Speaker 2: anti Semitism when it's from the pro Palestinian or pro
Speaker 2: Hamas Kraut.
Speaker 3: It seems they can only talk about the Neo Nazis.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister on Kyle and Jackie O's show on
Speaker 2: Thursday morning, and that was one of his first interviews
Speaker 2: after the news broke of the very serious terror threat
Speaker 2: of the caravan full of explosives.
Speaker 3: Well, in that interview he only mentioned Neo Nazis.
Speaker 6: I think the Asia Director General Mike Burgess has been
Speaker 6: much more public in recent years to go through about
Speaker 6: the threat that comes from a range of sources, from
Speaker 6: the rise of far right groups and we saw Neo
Speaker 6: Nazis marching in Adelaide, coming from all over Australia.
Speaker 2: Not one mention of the threat from Pro Hamas supporters
Speaker 2: from Radical Islam, which by the way, Mike Burgess has
Speaker 2: spoken about. He calls it religious extremism. Penny Wang today
Speaker 2: this morning also spoke repeatedly about white supremacist groups.
Speaker 7: Terogram is a network which enables and is utilized by
Speaker 7: white supremacist groups, people and groups who spread hate White supremacists.
Speaker 7: Terrorists who are utilizing this network now face financing counter
Speaker 7: counter terrorism sanctions if they engage in with the assets
Speaker 7: or providing financial supports.
Speaker 2: Why can't the Albanezy government also speak about the threats
Speaker 2: from the pro Palestinian crowd. Police told me on the
Speaker 2: record categorically that both the pro Hamas activists and the
Speaker 2: Neo Nazis pose a threat to the Jewish community. The
Speaker 2: pro Harmus crowd and the Neo Nazis both pose a
Speaker 2: current threat to the Jewish community.
Speaker 1: Don't they.
Speaker 8: Whether that's threat or just a traditional ideological opposition to
Speaker 8: Zionism and Jewish interests, that's certainly the case, and it's
Speaker 8: most unfortunate that it continues to be the case, particularly
Speaker 8: when it's in our community.
Speaker 2: That's certainly the case, he said. Now, along with this
Speaker 2: police admission, we are seeing evidence that both are behind
Speaker 2: some of the recent incidents. One of the individuals facing
Speaker 2: court in relation to the first Willara vandalism and torching spree,
Speaker 2: has A hesbela tattoo on his neck Hesbela tattoo, And
Speaker 2: we've also seen swastikas graffitd Onto synagogues and the Neo
Speaker 2: Nazis chanting on the steps of the Victorian Parliament.
Speaker 1: Why man, breedom, man, freedom with the white man.
Speaker 2: The threats very clearly are from both Islamic extremism and
Speaker 2: Neo Nazis. Yeah, the Albanzi government seems more comfortable speaking.
Speaker 3: About the Neo Nazis, and perhaps.
Speaker 2: Albanzi government ministers are reluctant to speak about Islamic fundamentalism
Speaker 2: because they don't want to lose the support or any
Speaker 2: votes from their Muslim constituents. And the Albanzi government continues
Speaker 2: to support problematic institutions like UNRA, despite evidence emerging that
Speaker 2: hostages were held captive in camps run by UNRA. British
Speaker 2: Israeli hostage Emily Damari told Kirs Stamer on her release
Speaker 2: that she was held in an UNRA facility. She said
Speaker 2: she was also denied medical treatment despite being shot in
Speaker 2: the hand and the leg while she was in the
Speaker 2: UNRA facility. Harmas only gave her an out of date
Speaker 2: bottle of iodine to treat her gunshot wounds. So UNRA
Speaker 2: facilities are being run by terrorists, yeat. The Albaneze government
Speaker 2: is still sending millions of taxpayer.
Speaker 1: Dollars your money to UNRA.
Speaker 2: In total, Albanezi has given millions and millions of dollars
Speaker 2: to UNRA since October seven, tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 2: since October seven, that since the terror attacks on Israel.
Speaker 2: Even after evidence emerged that UNRA employees committed some of
Speaker 2: those October seven atrocities, the Albenezi government continued to fund
Speaker 2: the corrupt and disgraceful institution, and it continues to do
Speaker 2: so despite Emily Demari being held hostage in an honor facility.
Speaker 1: There's no excuse for this, and.
Speaker 2: Surely Petti Wong should now be revising her assessment that
Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood is a top priority after she saw the
Speaker 2: grotesque scenes of her must terrorists surrounding one female hostage
Speaker 2: on Thursday night as Abel Yehood was finally set free.
Speaker 2: Look at that the terrorists were despicable as they surrounded her.
Speaker 2: Arbel is twenty nine years old. She's an innocent civilian.
Speaker 2: Look at her being swamped, frightened. She looks like she's
Speaker 2: being swallowed up by these horrible monsters. She must have
Speaker 2: been beyond terrified.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Also released over the weekend was.
Speaker 2: Yarden Bibas, whose wife, Shiri Bibas, and whose two young children.
Speaker 1: Kafir and Ariel, are feared to be deaf.
Speaker 2: Yah Dan arrived home to Israel without his wife or children,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure none of us can begin to imagine
Speaker 2: his pain.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 2: I've reported before that Israel believes Shii, Kafir and Ariel
Speaker 2: were murdered by Hamas. There can be nothing in this
Speaker 2: world worse than a nine month old baby and his
Speaker 2: four year old brother being kidnapped from their home by
Speaker 2: terrorists and then if what Israel believes is true and
Speaker 2: then murdered.
Speaker 1: I mean the very idea of children stolen from.
Speaker 2: Their homes, their toys, their families, their happy life, and
Speaker 2: taken to dark tunnels where they would have been starved
Speaker 2: and treated cruelly and then killed. Kafir and Ariel and
Speaker 2: Shiri and Yarden all deserved better than this. The Red Cross,
Speaker 2: Amnesty International, UNICEF, Doctors Without Borders, OXFAM, and World Vision
Speaker 2: all let them down. They should be As shamed. The
Speaker 2: United Nations let them down. These holier than our organizations
Speaker 2: claim the moral high ground, but they have.
Speaker 1: No morals at all.
Speaker 2: They're a disgrace watching what has happened to the Bibas
Speaker 2: family and to those despicable scenes of terrorists intimidating young
Speaker 2: innocent women.
Speaker 1: This should be a wake up call, but it won't be.
Speaker 1: We have seen the true nature.
Speaker 2: Of this barbaric, brutal and misogynistic culture that the leftist
Speaker 2: labor crowd continue to bizarrely support. Who in their right
Speaker 2: rational mind would side with those harmus monsters who raped
Speaker 2: and beheaded and slaughtered innocent children, teenagers and families instead
Speaker 2: of siding fair.
Speaker 1: And square with a nine month old baby.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's bring in now Sky News host Joe Hildebrand
Speaker 2: and Steve Price.
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Steve, so much to talk about, but I want to
Speaker 2: ask you about how the Prime Minister has failed to
Speaker 2: speak about anti Semitism at Federal Caucus today when we
Speaker 2: are all experiencing every Australian this wave of domestic terror.
Speaker 9: It just beggars belief. I mean, it's extraordinary that the
Speaker 9: Prime Minister does not feel that he needs to come
Speaker 9: out and be as strong as he possibly can against
Speaker 9: this wave of anti Semitism. It's almost as if, and
Speaker 9: you put it perfectly, it's almost as if he has
Speaker 9: convinced himself that somehow it's not real. Surely, Prime Minister,
Speaker 9: you've been to the scene of the childcare City, You've
Speaker 9: been to the synagogue in Melbourne. You must realize that
Speaker 9: this is now something that you've got to be a
Speaker 9: hell of a lot tougher on. I mean, you had
Speaker 9: the former Health Minister Greg Hunt, the former Treasurer Josh
Speaker 9: Friedenberg again at the weekend pleading with the government to
Speaker 9: do more.
Speaker 7: What do they do.
Speaker 9: They just wheel out a few more twists and turns
Speaker 9: in their hate laws and they're going to do some
Speaker 9: deal with the Greens apparently. I mean, god forbid that
Speaker 9: you've got Marine Farouki, who refuses to even condemn a
Speaker 9: mask for what happened on the seventh of October. She's
Speaker 9: the one who's going to be negotiating on behalf of
Speaker 9: the Greens. I don't think Anthony Albanez he gets it.
Speaker 9: I just think he's in this weird bubble in Canberra
Speaker 9: and he somehow thinks that it's not happening. I don't know.
Speaker 9: I can't explain it.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine speaking about optimism as being the tone
Speaker 2: Joe when that's not the real in Sydney, Australia, irrespective
Speaker 2: of your your faith, or nationality or background.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, look in terms of the PM's kind
Speaker 10: of personality, I've always said that his confidence and optimism
Speaker 10: is both his greatest strength and his greatest flaw, his
Speaker 10: great weakness. And I think I think there is probably
Speaker 10: a sense, certainly there is a problem in the cultural left,
Speaker 10: and there's a problem in you know, very large elements
Speaker 10: in the PMS in a where Sydney electorate, that there
Speaker 10: is just this completely bonkers counter narrative that these people
Speaker 10: tell each other like an ideological it is an ideological
Speaker 10: dogma where everything you just said kind of almost didn't happen,
Speaker 10: that they honestly live in an alternate reality. I'll give
Speaker 10: you an example. You showed the footage of the musk
Speaker 10: terrorists masked, you know, crushing this poor hostage as they
Speaker 10: pushed through the crowds. I had someone someone who just
Speaker 10: constantly after every single column, whether it's about Palestine or
Speaker 10: Israel or not. We'll sort of write in with all
Speaker 10: this sort of crazy propaganda saying, how dare you more
Speaker 10: media propaganda? Hear these mass warriors were there protecting this
Speaker 10: poor hostage from the Palestinian crowds, and you think they're
Speaker 10: the bad guys. And I honestly it sort of did
Speaker 10: my head in to try to figure out what on
Speaker 10: earth this person was coming from. It's one of those points,
Speaker 10: Hang on a minute, you were left here a neo Nazi.
Speaker 10: And the thing is that these people end up in
Speaker 10: the same place. There was a famous case a few
Speaker 10: years ago where an actual neo Nazi, a white supremacist,
Speaker 10: tried to join a Green's sponsored function in favor of
Speaker 10: Palestine and against Israel because I thought, oh great, we're
Speaker 10: all on the same page here. So it's no wonder
Speaker 10: you have left wing activists, mask sympathizes and neo Nazis
Speaker 10: all responsible for these acts because they're all on the
Speaker 10: same side.
Speaker 1: And it's irrational.
Speaker 2: And at some point, you know, those sort of people
Speaker 2: have to acknowledge that they themselves are racist.
Speaker 10: Their brains are just broken. And labor has needs and
Speaker 10: I think I think the scales of peeling off that
Speaker 10: labour needs to make sure and there are plenty of
Speaker 10: people in the Labor pardy who realize how bonkers and
Speaker 10: damaging you crazy.
Speaker 2: It's not the whole Labor Party because you can look
Speaker 2: at Premier Chris Myth.
Speaker 10: That's right, it's just elements of the hard left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and unfortunately the Prime Minister comes from the hard left,
Speaker 2: as does Penny Wank. Now let's have a look at
Speaker 2: this disgraceful story in New South Wales that you might
Speaker 2: have heard about it tonight. It was front page of
Speaker 2: the Sunday Telegraph as well. They broke the story. The
Speaker 2: New South Wales Transpot Minister Joe Halen has been slammed
Speaker 2: for using taxpayer funds to splash on a chauffeur for
Speaker 2: a private winery trip on the Australia Day Long weekend.
Speaker 2: This was Linda Silmalis's story. She's an excellent journalist. Here's
Speaker 2: what the minister said about it today.
Speaker 11: While that travel was within the rules, it doesn't meet
Speaker 11: the pub test and I fully acknowledge that and I
Speaker 11: own that mistake. Stick my hand up and say I
Speaker 11: made the wrong decision. Here I apologize for it, and
Speaker 11: that's why I'm also repaying the cost of that trip.
Speaker 2: In full, and Chris Mins has also been criticized for
Speaker 2: saying that he's not going to sack her or another
Speaker 2: minister who went with her on that taxpay funded, schaffer
Speaker 2: driven ride.
Speaker 1: Here's the premiere. I want you sacked, Joe Haylo.
Speaker 3: And Rose Jackson, but extraordinary used taxpay Lindy.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, I'm not going to sack the ministers. I appreciate
Speaker 12: that this is a major error and a big lapse
Speaker 12: of judgment, and I am confident and I'm hopeful, and
Speaker 12: I've told them both that I expect that they'll learn
Speaker 12: from this mistake and that they won't repeat it.
Speaker 2: Steve Price, you can imagine if this was labor ministers,
Speaker 2: you know, using a taxpay funded schaffer to go to
Speaker 2: a winery.
Speaker 1: You can imagine that outcry from labor. How oh, you
Speaker 1: know what this is? Hypocrisy?
Speaker 9: Well, it's unbelievable. And Chrismins has made a couple of
Speaker 9: big errors in the last couple of weeks, this in
Speaker 9: particular where he says I'm not going to sack the minister. Well,
Speaker 9: imagine what it was like this afternoon when you were
Speaker 9: in the Premier's office and suddenly the telegraph reports will
Speaker 9: hang on. It's not just the big Winery booze up trip.
Speaker 9: She's been using show for driven government cars to transport
Speaker 9: her son, according to The Daily Telegraph, back into Sydney
Speaker 9: at the weekends to play sport, and then took her
Speaker 9: family to some picnic up in the Blue Mountains, which
Speaker 9: was a two hundred kilometer round trip as well. Now
Speaker 9: she's a Minister for Transport, it seems that her interest
Speaker 9: in transport only only amounts to show for driven cars
Speaker 9: provided by the taxpayer.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, Joe, you know this is a terrible look.
Speaker 2: There's a cost of living crisis the transport minister. What's
Speaker 2: wrong with the buses or the trades.
Speaker 10: It's disgraceful. There's no excuse for it. I think even
Speaker 10: the sort of even trying to argue that it was
Speaker 10: technically within the rules is an extremely foolish thing to do.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a sackable eventse No, Look, I think.
Speaker 6: I don't think.
Speaker 10: I don't. I don't think heads on pikes are necessarily
Speaker 10: always the answer, and Chris Means is right about that.
Speaker 10: But I think it does the fact that it is so,
Speaker 10: I mean, Chris Means, she's you know, Joe Halen has
Speaker 10: come out and said, oh, but it was within the rules.
Speaker 10: Chris Means has immediately come out and said, well, that's
Speaker 10: why we're going to change the rules so that this
Speaker 10: can't happen. The only reason why ministers have this discretion
Speaker 10: is they're meant to be able to use their judgment
Speaker 10: to say to rail workers, oh, sorry, no you can't
Speaker 10: have a pay rise because it's too extravagant, or we
Speaker 10: can't afford it. Well, at the same time, racking up
Speaker 10: a seven hundred and fifty dollars taxi bill on New
Speaker 10: South Wales takes taxpayers. I mean, it's really damaging. Chris
Speaker 10: Means I can assure he's asolutely filthy. You can see
Speaker 10: the look on the Deputy Premier's face standing behind.
Speaker 1: Him as she just she was trying to get out
Speaker 1: of shot.
Speaker 9: She daggers.
Speaker 10: You could actually see the daggers flying from her eyes
Speaker 10: and very quickly when us it's just from left faction.
Speaker 2: Incidentally, Yeah, let's get to this, that's why they'd be
Speaker 2: that's such hypocrisy. Steve Price, I want to ask you
Speaker 2: about this trade war that Donald Trump is being criticized for,
Speaker 2: and we're also starting to see the Albenezy government here
Speaker 2: in media reporting saying oh, well, if there's not a
Speaker 2: rate cut, it's Donald Trump's fault.
Speaker 9: Well, seriously, I mean, was anyone surprised that Donald Trump
Speaker 9: suddenly introduced tariffs on Canada and Mexico. You've spent the
Speaker 9: whole year on the presidential campaign saying that if I
Speaker 9: win the presidency, I'm going to put tariffs on the
Speaker 9: crowd because they keep letting illegals flat across the border,
Speaker 9: both from Canada and from Mexico. I mean, was anyone
Speaker 9: surprised by this? I mean, and fancy suggesting that, you know,
Speaker 9: if we don't get a rate cut, a's Donald Trump's fault.
Speaker 9: Please leave me alone.
Speaker 2: All right, Steve Price, Joe huder Brand, thank you, fod
Speaker 2: so much for seeing us.
Speaker 1: All right, let's return to this wave of domestic terror.
Speaker 2: There's no question the Albinezy government it hasn't done enough
Speaker 2: on national security. There's one person who knows this better
Speaker 2: than anyone. He knows this area inside out because he
Speaker 2: used to lead the Home Affairs Department as secretary. Mike
Speaker 2: Pozzulo joins me now from Canberra. Mike, thank you so
Speaker 2: much to have you on the show. Great to have
Speaker 2: you on the show once again. Look, you're saying that
Speaker 2: an operation Sovereign Borders style or campaign should now take
Speaker 2: place to tackle anti Sammitism.
Speaker 1: What do you mean by this?
Speaker 13: Well, good evening, Sharion A very pleased to be here
Speaker 13: to talk about a very grim topic. Security issues typically
Speaker 13: are in the background and their chronic, whether they're public
Speaker 13: safety of domestic security. You just simply assume that the
Speaker 13: agencies have got a grip on the issues. When they
Speaker 13: become acute though, and it's not just in this area
Speaker 13: as violent as a borrent as recent developments have been,
Speaker 13: but whether you've got a major cyber attack, the wave
Speaker 13: that we saw when the Islamic State Caliphate was rampant
Speaker 13: it for a few years, whether it's boat arrivals, you
Speaker 13: need a very strong ministerial leadership of unified command and
Speaker 13: control arrangements, not so that you can direct the field operatives.
Speaker 13: They know what they're doing. We have fantastic operators in
Speaker 13: both the Federal Police in ASIO and the New South
Speaker 13: Wales Police. It's really about the upstream issues. Why is
Speaker 13: this happening, What are the strategic gramifications of it worsening?
Speaker 13: What can we do to prevent people ID eighting or
Speaker 13: getting on boats or attacking us through cyber whatever the
Speaker 13: issue is. OSP was a very successful template that not
Speaker 13: only staunched the flow of boats in twenty thirteen and fourteen,
Speaker 13: but it worked principally because there was a single line
Speaker 13: of empowered authority from the Prime Minister to mister Morrison
Speaker 13: to Lieutenant General Angus Campbell. It didn't mean that Angus Campbell,
Speaker 13: who was the first OSB commander, all of sudden became
Speaker 13: a policeman or all of sudden became the head of
Speaker 13: another agency. He coordinated effort, galvanized it. If agencies then
Speaker 13: had to say General Campbell, we can do that, but
Speaker 13: to get legal authority, we need to get this type
Speaker 13: of warrant, he would say, fine, get on and do it.
Speaker 13: It's that really bringing people together, that is the galvanizing
Speaker 13: value of a cross agency and in this case, I
Speaker 13: think multi jurisdictional task force.
Speaker 2: Mike, we've seen this multiple attacks now that most normal
Speaker 2: people would be considered would consider terrorist incidents. You know,
Speaker 2: a caravan full of explosives that could create if it
Speaker 2: was detonated, a forty meter blast wave. Do you think
Speaker 2: there's a case for the terror threat.
Speaker 1: Level to be raised.
Speaker 13: Look not necessarily. First of all, there are a professional
Speaker 13: judgment seed to be applied by the National Threat Assessment
Speaker 13: staff in ASIO, who are world's best leading. They are fantastic.
Speaker 13: I work very closely with them through their Director General
Speaker 13: for many years. We already have from August of last year,
Speaker 13: Shari the level raised to probable. That means in the
Speaker 13: next twelve months, so from August of twenty four through
Speaker 13: to August of this year, there is a fifty percent chance,
Speaker 13: in fact greater than fifty percent chance of an attack
Speaker 13: either being undertaken or planned to be executed and gets
Speaker 13: thwarted or disrupted. So we're already at a level of
Speaker 13: greater than fifty percent risk of it occurring. For the
Speaker 13: Director General now to go to expect it, which is
Speaker 13: the next level up, and I've got very deep confidence
Speaker 13: in mister Burgess and his staff. They would really need
Speaker 13: something much more fine grain to say there is an
Speaker 13: attack that can be expected at any moment, and for
Speaker 13: that to occur without causing undue alarm I think would
Speaker 13: be a very big step. I think that a probable
Speaker 13: We're already at a situation where we should be activating
Speaker 13: these CT arrangements in the way that I've been describing.
Speaker 13: In any event, probably should have been doing so from
Speaker 13: last August when the level was raised.
Speaker 2: I think the reality is, irrespective of whatever the technical
Speaker 2: criteria is, the terror threat is expected.
Speaker 1: We are expecting something. Every week.
Speaker 2: It seems that there is another incident, another fire bombing,
Speaker 2: which is ideologically motivated, because we know that because there's
Speaker 2: anti Semitic graffiti ideologically motivated. So it is happening, It
Speaker 2: is unfolding around us. Mike Bisula, I want to ask you.
Speaker 13: I should say I agree with you completely. By the way,
Speaker 13: I just want to be very clear. I'm distinguishing between
Speaker 13: the clinical, technical standards and thresholds versus the lived experience.
Speaker 13: I can't imagine what it would be like living as
Speaker 13: a Jewish Australian person in Sydney, Melbourne, or indeed anywhere else.
Speaker 13: You certainly would feel that apprehension of an expected attack.
Speaker 13: So I don't want to take anything away from that
Speaker 13: visceral feeling that regrettably some members of our community have,
Speaker 13: and they should have. They should feel safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, Mike Bisilo, do you think it was a
Speaker 2: wise idea to issue nearly three thousand visas to Gazans
Speaker 2: from a terrorist controlled zone when they're educated and brought
Speaker 2: up to hate Jews, at a time when we have
Speaker 2: an anti Samitism crisis. Isn't this showing extreme disregard for
Speaker 2: anti Sammitism?
Speaker 13: Not necessarily, I understand the number of the question. There
Speaker 13: is an issue here of judgements about character. Last year
Speaker 13: there was a debate about whether there'd been an ASIO screening,
Speaker 13: and again ASIO have to apply very high thresholds in
Speaker 13: terms of the security assessments that the Director General has
Speaker 13: to make. I think from an abundance of caution, and
Speaker 13: I can just speak from my personal preference. I wasn't
Speaker 13: the Secretary at the time I left office in September
Speaker 13: of twenty three. Of course, the borrant attacks occurred in
Speaker 13: October over of twenty three. From an abundance of caution,
Speaker 13: I probably would have paused any consideration, even from a
Speaker 13: character point of view. In other words, I would have
Speaker 13: applied a character lens, which is able to be done
Speaker 13: through the Migration Act by way of minister or direction,
Speaker 13: really just to pause all of those visas, just to
Speaker 13: work through precisely that issue. So there's a question of
Speaker 13: the security assessment that the ASIO Director General has to apply,
Speaker 13: and by law, he makes that assessment under the very
Speaker 13: strict criteria the ASIO Act.
Speaker 8: And then there are.
Speaker 13: Character judgments that have to be applied by the decision
Speaker 13: makers who work ultimately under the authority of the Immigration Minister.
Speaker 2: So you're saying, out of an abundance of caution, you
Speaker 2: would have paused the intake from Gaza after October seventh.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would have. If you were running Homer
Speaker 1: facts considered, I.
Speaker 13: Would have taken a step back, consulted with Five Eyes partners,
Speaker 13: consulted with the Israelis. Of course, there are checks done.
Speaker 13: You can't cross into Egypt without going through an Israeli checkpoint.
Speaker 13: That would have helped. I would have just I would
Speaker 13: have pulled all of that material together, put a freeze on.
Speaker 13: And this can be done by way of ministerial direction,
Speaker 13: because ministers can under the Migration Act not either turn
Speaker 13: or modify individual decisions made by decision makers, but they
Speaker 13: can set parameters for decisions.
Speaker 8: I would have just.
Speaker 13: Until the situation became clearer and after extensive consultation with
Speaker 13: Five Eyes, European, Israeli and other colleagues, I would have
Speaker 13: taken an extra cautious view of those visas on character
Speaker 13: grounds and not just simply the more narrow lens that
Speaker 13: the Director General of Security has to buy law apply
Speaker 13: in a very restricted fashion. And we had that debate
Speaker 13: last here about whether there was.
Speaker 2: It's a sensible approach, Mike Bizulo, if you were still
Speaker 2: Secretary of Home Affairs, but you know the Abenezi government
Speaker 2: moved on you in September twenty twenty three despite all
Speaker 2: of your hard work over a long career, including Operation
Speaker 2: Sovereign Bordis, which we began speaking about tonight. Mike Bazilla,
Speaker 2: really appreciate your coming on the show tonight. Now still
Speaker 2: to come the latest ads from Labor and the Coalition
Speaker 2: and they show where the election fight is heading. Plus
Speaker 2: Australia's top political donors revealed you'll be surprised.
Speaker 1: By some of the results. That and more with my
Speaker 1: political panel next.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in our political panel now, former
Speaker 2: media advisor to Scott Morrison Andrew Carswell and former.
Speaker 1: Chief of Staff to Bill Sholt.
Speaker 3: And Cameron Miln are great to see you both.
Speaker 2: Now the government has launched a scare campaign against Peter
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton personally, I want to get your take on it.
Speaker 1: Here it is.
Speaker 14: These are all cost of living measures introduced by the
Speaker 14: federal Labor government because we understand the pressure families are
Speaker 14: under and every little bit helps. But look who was
Speaker 14: opposed to every single.
Speaker 1: One of them.
Speaker 14: Whichever way you look at it, you'll be worse off
Speaker 14: under Dutton.
Speaker 2: Now let's see what you think will be more effective
Speaker 2: that Labor ad or this coalition.
Speaker 15: Out Later, I started a small family business. It grew
Speaker 15: to forty staff who had families, mortgages and aspirations, which
Speaker 15: means that you were relied on to balance the books
Speaker 15: and be responsible as a minister. I learned that a
Speaker 15: strong economy and a safe community are central to everything
Speaker 15: that you sometimes need to stand up to vested interests
Speaker 15: and always make decisions in our national interest.
Speaker 2: Cameron, what does this tell you about how Labor and
Speaker 2: the Coalition are now pitching themselves?
Speaker 16: Well, telling you that Peter Dutton has actually got some
Speaker 16: really positive numbers, and he's obviously opened up with a
Speaker 16: very professional ad talking about himself. The piece you miss
Speaker 16: which I love the most of that ad is the
Speaker 16: picture of him and John Howard actually which is the
Speaker 16: next section of that ad. I think it's a perfect
Speaker 16: and poignant moment of peed Dutton's history in politics. But
Speaker 16: it tells you Labour's running scared. I mean, Labor promised
Speaker 16: a new politics, Albert promised that politics is going to
Speaker 16: be changed by him, and he said he's just gone
Speaker 16: back the sludge bucket, got the mark and started to
Speaker 16: throw it. I mean, this is just a that said though,
Speaker 16: it's a pretty weak ad. It's a pretty weak negative,
Speaker 16: a bit like Labour's leader, a bit like Labour's leader agreed.
Speaker 1: It's not a good ad.
Speaker 2: I mean you've got to read what's in each of
Speaker 2: the boxes. You know, no one has time for that
Speaker 2: when they're busy. You need an ad that's going to
Speaker 2: grab you straight away if you're making school lunches or
Speaker 2: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Andrew clearly in our busy lives. Yeah, Andrew clearly.
Speaker 2: There's an effort from Dutton's campaign campaign to sell him
Speaker 2: as the human they're trying to, you know, change his
Speaker 2: image a little bit, soften it a little bit.
Speaker 17: What do you think, Well, first and foremost, I actually
Speaker 17: disagree on the Labor I think it's more effective than
Speaker 17: you're giving it credit for Yes, it's a little bit
Speaker 17: wordy at the start, but clearly they are moving away
Speaker 17: from this strategy where they're denigrating Peter Dutton for his
Speaker 17: strong leadership characteristics. That was never going to work. That's
Speaker 17: actually pointing to that guy, and so they vote for
Speaker 17: him because he's strong, and when Australians are crying out
Speaker 17: for strong leadership, they're going to get flocked towards the
Speaker 17: guy that is actually strong. So I think it's actually
Speaker 17: a sensible ad from Labor for once. I must admit
Speaker 17: it gets the tone right and it's clearly directed at
Speaker 17: women voters as well. I think it just taps into
Speaker 17: that innate thought that women voters have towards essential services
Speaker 17: and the funding of essential services.
Speaker 3: So I think it taps into that.
Speaker 17: But it's very clear also on the flip side, that
Speaker 17: this is the Dutton that most people see behind the scenes,
Speaker 17: and that is what's been trying that Liberal Party are
Speaker 17: trying to to address you. They have this preconceived idea
Speaker 17: who Peter Dutton is, based on the work that he
Speaker 17: has done in this place, the hard jobs that he's
Speaker 17: had to undertake, the fact that he's been an attack
Speaker 17: dog on behalf of very determined governments. So that's one
Speaker 17: side of Peter Dutton, but not often people see the
Speaker 17: other side, and those that have worked closely with him
Speaker 17: and know him personally know that what's been displayed on
Speaker 17: this at is the Peter Dutton.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's have a look at who the biggest
Speaker 2: donors have been to the political parties over the past year.
Speaker 2: Topping the list for Labor, perhaps surprisingly was billiardaire Anthony Pratt.
Speaker 2: He gave a million dollars to the Labor Party. The
Speaker 2: Liberals received nearly six hundred thousand dollars from Merit and
Speaker 2: properties controlled by Harry Triggerbof and five hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: from Gina Ryan Hartz Hankock prospecting Cameron. This is quite
Speaker 2: interesting and this is during the past year, so we
Speaker 2: don't know the election period yet but this could change
Speaker 2: once again.
Speaker 16: It could. But what's good about this is we've got disclosure.
Speaker 16: It's good in the Australia that we actually got transparency
Speaker 16: around the political donations that I made. And I think
Speaker 16: corporate Australia should be contributing the political process. And I
Speaker 16: think when you see Anthony Prat over the years and
Speaker 16: usy holdings, you'll find they're pretty equal, So next year
Speaker 16: I suspect it will square up. But nevertheless, it's great
Speaker 16: that they're involved and great they're making that contribution because
Speaker 16: they should be involved in our politics and they should
Speaker 16: be supporting our political parties of both political persuasions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know that Anthony Pratt just gave fifteen
Speaker 2: million dollars to Trump's campaign, so you never know he
Speaker 2: could support Peter Dutton this time around.
Speaker 1: We just don't know yet.
Speaker 2: Andrew, can you tell us a bit about Climate two
Speaker 2: hundred and the Teals funding and how that compares.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I don't honestly have an issue with the funding
Speaker 17: on either side of politics, and even with the Teals
Speaker 17: as well. I agree transparency is king here. We have
Speaker 17: a great system of transparency that shines a light on
Speaker 17: who is giving what and for what reason, and I
Speaker 17: think that's appropriate. But we're not talking big dollars here. Also,
Speaker 17: compared to the American system, I think a lot of
Speaker 17: political parties here in Australia they seriously run off the
Speaker 17: smell of an oily rag. So we don't see that
Speaker 17: top of issue here with other jurisdictions, And I would
Speaker 17: note too that even when people do throw tens of
Speaker 17: millions of dollars at the political system, it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 17: buy you influence, as Clok Palmer found out.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, well, there was an interesting piece in
Speaker 2: The Australian Today. Chris Mitchell, the columnist has described the
Speaker 2: partnership between the Prime Minister and the treasurer as similar
Speaker 2: to between Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard. Cameron Milner, you
Speaker 2: know these characters, these people very well. What did you
Speaker 2: think of this column and this analysis?
Speaker 16: Well, look, the Albany's government's far worse than the rug
Speaker 16: Gillard Rud period, and for one simple reason. The Labor
Speaker 16: caucus should be doing its job and finishing off a
Speaker 16: lazy and week leader. They did it, did it to
Speaker 16: write when he failed? They did it's a Gillard when
Speaker 16: she failed. The Labor caucus has outsourced their response ability
Speaker 16: to voters at the next election rather doing what they
Speaker 16: should have done, which is roll the guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's fascinating to hear you say that the current
Speaker 2: Albanezer government is worse than the Rud Gillard Rudd chaos
Speaker 2: worse And I think that is what a lot of
Speaker 2: people are starting to say that this is the worst
Speaker 2: prime minister perhaps in Australia's history. All Right, Andrew, we're
Speaker 2: out of time. We'll get your response next week. Great
Speaker 2: to have you both with us again. Now coming after
Speaker 2: the break, my exclusive interview with Hollywood actor Daniel Lissing.
Speaker 2: He's one of the few people in Hollywood speaking out
Speaker 2: about antisemitism, and after the break he shares his very
Speaker 2: personal family story.
Speaker 1: Don't miss it, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, we haven't seen enough people in Hollywood who are
Speaker 2: truly influential speaking out about the antisemitism crisis that's affecting
Speaker 2: the entire international community. Australian born actor Daniel Lissing. He's
Speaker 2: known for his roles on TV series like Last Resort
Speaker 2: and When Calls, The Heart and The Rookie, also in
Speaker 2: many Christmas movies. He joined me to tell the remarkable
Speaker 2: story of his grandparents and how they survived the Holocaust.
Speaker 17: Here it is.
Speaker 1: Daniel's so great to have you on the show. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much for joining us.
Speaker 18: Thank you so much for having me, Sherry. I'm grateful
Speaker 18: you asked me to be on.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me a bit about this project? If
Speaker 1: you heard what I heard?
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, If You Heard What I Heard is a
Speaker 18: great nonprofit. It was founded in twenty twenty one in
Speaker 18: April by a woman here in Los Angeles named Carolyn Siegel,
Speaker 18: and she is the granddaughter of Holocaust survivors. And she
Speaker 18: witnessed Andy Semitic incident the year before and thought that
Speaker 18: if these people had heard the stories that she had
Speaker 18: heard from her grandparents growing up, then then maybe there'd
Speaker 18: be a little less hate in the world. And so
Speaker 18: she founded this organization. Out of all the organizations to
Speaker 18: do with anti Semitism, the Holocaust Jewish Affairs, this is
Speaker 18: the only one that has a primary focus on the
Speaker 18: last generation to ever hear the story's first hand from
Speaker 18: Holocaust survivors, the grandchildren like me. So If You Heard
Speaker 18: What I Heard interviews the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors so
Speaker 18: that we might continue their legacy and continue the stories
Speaker 18: of their heartbreak and resilience and strength to a younger generation.
Speaker 2: Daniel, I think the story of your grandparents is just
Speaker 2: so remarkable. Rebecca and Herman, can you tell us about
Speaker 2: what they went through?
Speaker 18: My grandparents were young, normal kids growing up in Amsterdam
Speaker 18: in the nineteen thirties, and then when war broke out.
Speaker 18: A lot of the Dutch population thought, well, this couldn't
Speaker 18: possibly come to Dutch soil, and of course it did.
Speaker 18: And during that time, as the Nazis were occupying Holland
Speaker 18: and the sanctions were coming in and the roundups and
Speaker 18: the deportations and the laws and restrictions against the Jewish
Speaker 18: people systematically, my grandparents met. They joined the Dutch underground,
Speaker 18: They fell in love, and they did all they could
Speaker 18: to resist this month that was taking over Holland and Europe.
Speaker 18: By the time my grandparents my grandmother's parents were deported,
Speaker 18: they decided it was time for them to escape, and
Speaker 18: that's what they tried to do, to get across the
Speaker 18: border down into Belgium. But soon after they were both
Speaker 18: captured about six weeks apart, and then sent to Auschwitz,
Speaker 18: which I'm sure your viewers know was the biggest Nazi
Speaker 18: death camp there was. And my grandmother said to me that,
Speaker 18: you know, we were Dutch. The life expectancy for a
Speaker 18: Dutch girl, because there was the women's camp and the
Speaker 18: men's camp, the life expectancy for a Dutch girl was
Speaker 18: only six weeks there in the camps, and by all records,
Speaker 18: out of the sixteen hundred people on her transport, which
Speaker 18: was Transport twenty three force, survived out of sixteen of
Speaker 18: those people were gone to the guest chambers on that
Speaker 18: very first day. Because she was young and strong, she
Speaker 18: was allowed to try and work. But every day new
Speaker 18: people were coming in and they had to make room,
Speaker 18: and so they would do selections and if you failed
Speaker 18: the selections, you were off to the guest chambers.
Speaker 2: It's such a miracle, a true miracle that both Rebecca
Speaker 2: and herman survived the concentration camps, including Auschwitz. And after miracle,
Speaker 2: because one point one million Jews were killed in Auschwitz,
Speaker 2: how did they reconnect afterwards?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 18: Yeah, so through through the camps. My there was messages
Speaker 18: occasionally going back and forth between the camps, and my
Speaker 18: grandmother had heard that herman had died of typhus early on,
Speaker 18: and so she had lost hope until the death March.
Speaker 18: The death March was, you know, walking in rags in
Speaker 18: minus ten minus twenty snow through Poland. They crossed a
Speaker 18: man's camp, and my grandmother had heard that herman was alive,
Speaker 18: but he wasn't going to make it. So that was
Speaker 18: the little glimmer of hope. But there was no way
Speaker 18: that he was going to survive it. So so she
Speaker 18: at that point, I think, just lost the will to live,
Speaker 18: and somehow she says this, she said that to me.
Speaker 18: But somehow she held on to liberation, which was not
Speaker 18: long after that. And when she was suffering from typhus herself,
Speaker 18: she was thirty three kilograms in wait. She was destroyed, emotionally, physically,
Speaker 18: spiritually gone and she was sent back to Amsterdam to
Speaker 18: a hospital there, but the hospital really couldn't treat her.
Speaker 18: And there was this there was this hospice in just
Speaker 18: north of Amsterdam. Now, my grandfather after liberation was very
Speaker 18: much in the same boat, you know, but he had
Speaker 18: hope that maybe his wife survived, maybe because she was strong,
Speaker 18: she was a fighter, he knew that, and he said
Speaker 18: about finding her. And so he spent after liberation, he
Speaker 18: spent weeks diting his way across Europe from Poland to
Speaker 18: get back to Holland, and he would stop at Red
Speaker 18: Cross stations, hospitals, and he Allied troops that would be
Speaker 18: giving care to these prisoners.
Speaker 8: He was looking for her.
Speaker 18: Yeah, So he was dotting his way across Europe to
Speaker 18: try and find his wife. And he was stopping at
Speaker 18: all these places, searching her name and looking at manifests
Speaker 18: and things like that. Eventually he found the right one
Speaker 18: and led back to the Netherlands. He got on a
Speaker 18: train he went there. He was standing outside her hospital
Speaker 18: room and there was a woman there that was taking
Speaker 18: care of her and said, she's so fragile right now.
Speaker 18: She believes your head. It's a miracle you're here. Just wait,
Speaker 18: I have to I have to tell her that you
Speaker 18: were outside the room. And this Kara walks in and
Speaker 18: tells Rebecca, this is going to be a shock, but
Speaker 18: a family member survived your husband. He's standing outside this room,
Speaker 18: and she didn't want to believe it. She hit under
Speaker 18: the covers and she felt this presence come into the room.
Speaker 18: My grandfather walked in and she was screaming go away.
Speaker 18: You know, she just couldn't believe that anyone could survive
Speaker 18: what she had survived. She was ready to die, she'd
Speaker 18: given up, and when they were reunited, she had a
Speaker 18: reason to live.
Speaker 2: Daniel, listen, thank you so much for sharing this incredible
Speaker 2: story with us.
Speaker 18: Thank you for your time, I mean, honestly, anytime, mate,
Speaker 18: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Such a lovely guy and I've written up that full
Speaker 2: story of what happened after Rebecca and herman reconnected.
Speaker 3: It'll be on the Sky News website a bit later.
Speaker 2: But after the break Peter Dutton's secret weapon ahead of
Speaker 2: the election. Stay tuned, all right. Well, it's interesting to
Speaker 2: see how relaxed Peter Dutton looks at the start of
Speaker 2: an election year. He's relaxed, he's confident, and he's quietly
Speaker 2: confident of a win. Dutton is also softening his image
Speaker 2: by bringing his family into the election campaign, and I
Speaker 2: hear we'll be seeing more of Peter Dutton's twenty two
Speaker 2: year old daughter Rebecca over the coming months. She's set
Speaker 2: to pop up more in her dad's campaign materials. She
Speaker 2: already had her first appearance in this campaign.
Speaker 15: At later, I started a small family business. It grew
Speaker 15: to forty staff who had families, mortgages and aspirations, which
Speaker 15: means that you were relied on to balance the books
Speaker 15: and be responsible. As a minister. I learned that a
Speaker 15: strong economy and a safe community are central to everything.
Speaker 15: That you sometimes need to stand up to vested interests
Speaker 15: and always make decisions in our national interest.
Speaker 2: We saw in the US election the Donald Trump's son Baron,
Speaker 2: he became popular online. His granddaughter Kai Trump also gave
Speaker 2: a speech at the Republican Convention. Now, Duttan is known
Speaker 2: as a tough politician, and we need that in the
Speaker 2: country at the moment. We need someone who's strong, not weak.
Speaker 2: His wife Kiri Lee and his daughter Rebecca will help
Speaker 2: present a softer and more family friendly image to win
Speaker 2: over some of the female voters the coalition needs to
Speaker 2: win the next election.
Speaker 1: Now that's it for me.
Speaker 2: I'll see you here tomorrow at eight o'clock. We've got
Speaker 2: another great show tomorrow night. David Coleman, he'll be on.
Speaker 2: He's the new Foreign Affairs shadow spokesman, so don't miss
Speaker 2: his interview.
Speaker 1: But right now, here's Paul Murray.