WEBVTT - Sharri | 3 February

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Sky News This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Night, Good evening, Sorry tonight, Albanezi accused of turning

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<v Speaker 2>a blind eye to the antisemitism crisis. He failed to

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<v Speaker 2>mention the terror threat in Federal caucus today.

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<v Speaker 1>Former Home Affairs Secretary.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Bozzullo would join me in an exclusive interview. He's

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<v Speaker 2>calling for an Operation Sovereign Border style campaign to tackle antisemitism.

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<v Speaker 2>That's coming up in a moment also on the show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite evidence from British Israeli hostage Emily Damari that she

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<v Speaker 2>was held in UNRA facilities in Gaza, Penny Wong continues

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<v Speaker 2>to send millions of your taxpayer dollars to the terrorist

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<v Speaker 2>riddled organization, and ahead of the election, the top donors

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<v Speaker 2>to both the Labor and Liberal parties revealed.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you who they are tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, Hollywood actor Daniel Lissing joins me on the show

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<v Speaker 2>for an exclusive interview. But first, Anthony Albanesi continues to

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<v Speaker 2>turn a blind eye to the antisemitism crisis. The Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister addressed Federal Caucus today ahead of the final parliamentary

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<v Speaker 2>sitting period before the election, and in his caucus address,

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<v Speaker 2>he failed to even once mention the antisemitism emergency that

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<v Speaker 2>Australia is experiencing. This is a wave of domestic terror.

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<v Speaker 2>It's affecting our entire country, with a preschool and a

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<v Speaker 2>synagogue in different states Firebond. But Albanezy didn't think it

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<v Speaker 2>was important enough to mention. Instead, he told his MP's

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm quoting, we begin twenty twenty five with a

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<v Speaker 2>great sense of optimism.

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<v Speaker 1>Optimism. What world is he living in?

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<v Speaker 2>This is the most terrified time to live in Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>or Melbourne in decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Babs. Ever, if the.

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister has really failed to understand the climate in

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<v Speaker 2>the country, he supposedly leads that he is more out

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<v Speaker 2>of touch than we realized. He's surrounded by high walls

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty four to seven security at the Lodge and

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<v Speaker 2>at Kiribilly House.

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<v Speaker 1>He's shielded from.

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<v Speaker 2>The wave of domestic terror that's unfolding on our streets,

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<v Speaker 2>and his comments optimistic, everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>His attitude is unforgivable.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that he's let our country degenerate to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where criminals feel free to attack Jews is unforgivable.

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<v Speaker 2>As Dennis Shanahan writes tonight in the Australian Anthony Albanese's

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<v Speaker 2>caucus address signals he doesn't want to talk anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 2>or an earlier elects. And here's what Dennis Shanahan told

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Kradlin earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>Anthony Alberesi has been unable to answer key security questions

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<v Speaker 4>about the caravan bomb in Durall in Western Sydney, and

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<v Speaker 4>he has tried to deflect the anti Semitism issue as

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<v Speaker 4>much as he can. This week in the Parliament. He

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<v Speaker 4>didn't mention it in his address to his labor colleagues,

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<v Speaker 4>first address to the Labor Caucus this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Make no mistake, this is the single most critical national

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<v Speaker 2>security issue Australia confronts right now, yet Albanezi, the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to know about it. Just on the weekend

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<v Speaker 2>we saw anti Semitic attacks across Australia, including Jewish women

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<v Speaker 2>being egged while walking down the street. The young women,

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<v Speaker 2>aged in their twenties, were reportedly wearing Star of David

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<v Speaker 2>necklaces like I Am in Bondi at nine point thirty

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday night and a group of men egged them.

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<v Speaker 2>The car they were speeding around in was later found

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<v Speaker 2>abandoned in a nearby suburb, Rose Bay, where the jerry

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<v Speaker 2>can found inside and the egg carton.

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<v Speaker 1>Police said that they're investigating.

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<v Speaker 2>This as an anti Semitic incidents an.

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<v Speaker 1>Say at this point in time, yes we are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what the police say officially on the record. Across

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<v Speaker 2>the country this weekend there was also in Sydney in

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<v Speaker 2>suburbs Randwick. In Kingsford, cars vandalized and walls and buildings

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<v Speaker 2>with f jews. In Melbourne, a prominent Jewish business leader's

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<v Speaker 2>home who I'm not going to name was also graffiti

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<v Speaker 2>with the star of David and in Wa a.

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<v Speaker 1>Swastika and more f jews.

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<v Speaker 2>This anti Semitic vandalism has sadly become normalized. Even police

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<v Speaker 2>admit antisemitism is now normal. This was Deputy Police Commissioner

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Hudson saying on Thursday that the caravan with explosives

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't your normal anti Semitic attack.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously, the discovery and the detection of the caravan contained

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<v Speaker 5>with an amount of explosives was not known to be

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<v Speaker 5>used in the normal anti Semitic attack that we have

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<v Speaker 5>seen occur in Sydney, such as graffiti and arson attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>How can there now be a normal anti Semitic attack.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the reality of life in Australia right now.

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<v Speaker 2>As the Deputy Police Commissioner said, anti Semitic attacks are

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<v Speaker 2>now normal. Antisemitism has become normalized in our country under

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Albanesi. Yet the Albanese government struggles to call out

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism when it's from the pro Palestinian or pro

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas Kraut.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems they can only talk about the Neo Nazis.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister on Kyle and Jackie O's show on

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday morning, and that was one of his first interviews

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<v Speaker 2>after the news broke of the very serious terror threat

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<v Speaker 2>of the caravan full of explosives.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, in that interview he only mentioned Neo Nazis.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the Asia Director General Mike Burgess has been

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<v Speaker 6>much more public in recent years to go through about

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<v Speaker 6>the threat that comes from a range of sources, from

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<v Speaker 6>the rise of far right groups and we saw Neo

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<v Speaker 6>Nazis marching in Adelaide, coming from all over Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Not one mention of the threat from Pro Hamas supporters

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<v Speaker 2>from Radical Islam, which by the way, Mike Burgess has

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about. He calls it religious extremism. Penny Wang today

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<v Speaker 2>this morning also spoke repeatedly about white supremacist groups.

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<v Speaker 7>Terogram is a network which enables and is utilized by

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<v Speaker 7>white supremacist groups, people and groups who spread hate White supremacists.

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<v Speaker 7>Terrorists who are utilizing this network now face financing counter

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<v Speaker 7>counter terrorism sanctions if they engage in with the assets

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<v Speaker 7>or providing financial supports.

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<v Speaker 2>Why can't the Albanezy government also speak about the threats

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<v Speaker 2>from the pro Palestinian crowd. Police told me on the

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<v Speaker 2>record categorically that both the pro Hamas activists and the

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<v Speaker 2>Neo Nazis pose a threat to the Jewish community. The

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<v Speaker 2>pro Harmus crowd and the Neo Nazis both pose a

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<v Speaker 2>current threat to the Jewish community.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't they.

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<v Speaker 8>Whether that's threat or just a traditional ideological opposition to

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<v Speaker 8>Zionism and Jewish interests, that's certainly the case, and it's

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<v Speaker 8>most unfortunate that it continues to be the case, particularly

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<v Speaker 8>when it's in our community.

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<v Speaker 2>That's certainly the case, he said. Now, along with this

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<v Speaker 2>police admission, we are seeing evidence that both are behind

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<v Speaker 2>some of the recent incidents. One of the individuals facing

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<v Speaker 2>court in relation to the first Willara vandalism and torching spree,

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<v Speaker 2>has A hesbela tattoo on his neck Hesbela tattoo, And

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<v Speaker 2>we've also seen swastikas graffitd Onto synagogues and the Neo

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<v Speaker 2>Nazis chanting on the steps of the Victorian Parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>Why man, breedom, man, freedom with the white man.

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<v Speaker 2>The threats very clearly are from both Islamic extremism and

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<v Speaker 2>Neo Nazis. Yeah, the Albanzi government seems more comfortable speaking.

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<v Speaker 3>About the Neo Nazis, and perhaps.

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<v Speaker 2>Albanzi government ministers are reluctant to speak about Islamic fundamentalism

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't want to lose the support or any

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<v Speaker 2>votes from their Muslim constituents. And the Albanzi government continues

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<v Speaker 2>to support problematic institutions like UNRA, despite evidence emerging that

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<v Speaker 2>hostages were held captive in camps run by UNRA. British

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli hostage Emily Damari told Kirs Stamer on her release

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<v Speaker 2>that she was held in an UNRA facility. She said

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<v Speaker 2>she was also denied medical treatment despite being shot in

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<v Speaker 2>the hand and the leg while she was in the

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<v Speaker 2>UNRA facility. Harmas only gave her an out of date

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<v Speaker 2>bottle of iodine to treat her gunshot wounds. So UNRA

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<v Speaker 2>facilities are being run by terrorists, yeat. The Albaneze government

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<v Speaker 2>is still sending millions of taxpayer.

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<v Speaker 1>Dollars your money to UNRA.

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<v Speaker 2>In total, Albanezi has given millions and millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to UNRA since October seven, tens of millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 2>since October seven, that since the terror attacks on Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Even after evidence emerged that UNRA employees committed some of

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<v Speaker 2>those October seven atrocities, the Albenezi government continued to fund

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<v Speaker 2>the corrupt and disgraceful institution, and it continues to do

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<v Speaker 2>so despite Emily Demari being held hostage in an honor facility.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no excuse for this, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Surely Petti Wong should now be revising her assessment that

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian statehood is a top priority after she saw the

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<v Speaker 2>grotesque scenes of her must terrorists surrounding one female hostage

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday night as Abel Yehood was finally set free.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that the terrorists were despicable as they surrounded her.

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<v Speaker 2>Arbel is twenty nine years old. She's an innocent civilian.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at her being swamped, frightened. She looks like she's

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<v Speaker 2>being swallowed up by these horrible monsters. She must have

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<v Speaker 2>been beyond terrified.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Also released over the weekend was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yarden Bibas, whose wife, Shiri Bibas, and whose two young children.

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<v Speaker 1>Kafir and Ariel, are feared to be deaf.

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<v Speaker 2>Yah Dan arrived home to Israel without his wife or children,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure none of us can begin to imagine

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<v Speaker 2>his pain.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've reported before that Israel believes Shii, Kafir and Ariel

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<v Speaker 2>were murdered by Hamas. There can be nothing in this

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<v Speaker 2>world worse than a nine month old baby and his

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<v Speaker 2>four year old brother being kidnapped from their home by

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<v Speaker 2>terrorists and then if what Israel believes is true and

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<v Speaker 2>then murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the very idea of children stolen from.

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<v Speaker 2>Their homes, their toys, their families, their happy life, and

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<v Speaker 2>taken to dark tunnels where they would have been starved

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<v Speaker 2>and treated cruelly and then killed. Kafir and Ariel and

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<v Speaker 2>Shiri and Yarden all deserved better than this. The Red Cross,

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<v Speaker 2>Amnesty International, UNICEF, Doctors Without Borders, OXFAM, and World Vision

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<v Speaker 2>all let them down. They should be As shamed. The

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations let them down. These holier than our organizations

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<v Speaker 2>claim the moral high ground, but they have.

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<v Speaker 1>No morals at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a disgrace watching what has happened to the Bibas

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<v Speaker 2>family and to those despicable scenes of terrorists intimidating young

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<v Speaker 2>innocent women.

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<v Speaker 1>This should be a wake up call, but it won't be.

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<v Speaker 1>We have seen the true nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Of this barbaric, brutal and misogynistic culture that the leftist

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<v Speaker 2>labor crowd continue to bizarrely support. Who in their right

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<v Speaker 2>rational mind would side with those harmus monsters who raped

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<v Speaker 2>and beheaded and slaughtered innocent children, teenagers and families instead

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<v Speaker 2>of siding fair.

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<v Speaker 1>And square with a nine month old baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's bring in now Sky News host Joe Hildebrand

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<v Speaker 2>and Steve Price.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve, so much to talk about, but I want to

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<v Speaker 2>ask you about how the Prime Minister has failed to

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<v Speaker 2>speak about anti Semitism at Federal Caucus today when we

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<v Speaker 2>are all experiencing every Australian this wave of domestic terror.

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<v Speaker 9>It just beggars belief. I mean, it's extraordinary that the

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<v Speaker 9>Prime Minister does not feel that he needs to come

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<v Speaker 9>out and be as strong as he possibly can against

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<v Speaker 9>this wave of anti Semitism. It's almost as if, and

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<v Speaker 9>you put it perfectly, it's almost as if he has

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<v Speaker 9>convinced himself that somehow it's not real. Surely, Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 9>you've been to the scene of the childcare City, You've

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<v Speaker 9>been to the synagogue in Melbourne. You must realize that

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<v Speaker 9>this is now something that you've got to be a

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<v Speaker 9>hell of a lot tougher on. I mean, you had

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<v Speaker 9>the former Health Minister Greg Hunt, the former Treasurer Josh

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<v Speaker 9>Friedenberg again at the weekend pleading with the government to

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<v Speaker 9>do more.

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<v Speaker 7>What do they do.

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<v Speaker 9>They just wheel out a few more twists and turns

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<v Speaker 9>in their hate laws and they're going to do some

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<v Speaker 9>deal with the Greens apparently. I mean, god forbid that

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<v Speaker 9>you've got Marine Farouki, who refuses to even condemn a

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<v Speaker 9>mask for what happened on the seventh of October. She's

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<v Speaker 9>the one who's going to be negotiating on behalf of

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<v Speaker 9>the Greens. I don't think Anthony Albanez he gets it.

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<v Speaker 9>I just think he's in this weird bubble in Canberra

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<v Speaker 9>and he somehow thinks that it's not happening. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine speaking about optimism as being the tone

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<v Speaker 2>Joe when that's not the real in Sydney, Australia, irrespective

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<v Speaker 2>of your your faith, or nationality or background.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I mean, look in terms of the PM's kind

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<v Speaker 10>of personality, I've always said that his confidence and optimism

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<v Speaker 10>is both his greatest strength and his greatest flaw, his

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<v Speaker 10>great weakness. And I think I think there is probably

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<v Speaker 10>a sense, certainly there is a problem in the cultural left,

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<v Speaker 10>and there's a problem in you know, very large elements

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<v Speaker 10>in the PMS in a where Sydney electorate, that there

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<v Speaker 10>is just this completely bonkers counter narrative that these people

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<v Speaker 10>tell each other like an ideological it is an ideological

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<v Speaker 10>dogma where everything you just said kind of almost didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 10>that they honestly live in an alternate reality. I'll give

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<v Speaker 10>you an example. You showed the footage of the musk

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<v Speaker 10>terrorists masked, you know, crushing this poor hostage as they

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<v Speaker 10>pushed through the crowds. I had someone someone who just

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<v Speaker 10>constantly after every single column, whether it's about Palestine or

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<v Speaker 10>Israel or not. We'll sort of write in with all

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<v Speaker 10>this sort of crazy propaganda saying, how dare you more

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<v Speaker 10>media propaganda? Hear these mass warriors were there protecting this

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<v Speaker 10>poor hostage from the Palestinian crowds, and you think they're

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<v Speaker 10>the bad guys. And I honestly it sort of did

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<v Speaker 10>my head in to try to figure out what on

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<v Speaker 10>earth this person was coming from. It's one of those points,

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<v Speaker 10>Hang on a minute, you were left here a neo Nazi.

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<v Speaker 10>And the thing is that these people end up in

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<v Speaker 10>the same place. There was a famous case a few

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<v Speaker 10>years ago where an actual neo Nazi, a white supremacist,

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<v Speaker 10>tried to join a Green's sponsored function in favor of

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<v Speaker 10>Palestine and against Israel because I thought, oh great, we're

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<v Speaker 10>all on the same page here. So it's no wonder

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<v Speaker 10>you have left wing activists, mask sympathizes and neo Nazis

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<v Speaker 10>all responsible for these acts because they're all on the

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<v Speaker 10>same side.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's irrational.

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<v Speaker 2>And at some point, you know, those sort of people

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<v Speaker 2>have to acknowledge that they themselves are racist.

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<v Speaker 10>Their brains are just broken. And labor has needs and

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<v Speaker 10>I think I think the scales of peeling off that

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<v Speaker 10>labour needs to make sure and there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 10>people in the Labor pardy who realize how bonkers and

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<v Speaker 10>damaging you crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the whole Labor Party because you can look

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<v Speaker 2>at Premier Chris Myth.

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<v Speaker 10>That's right, it's just elements of the hard left.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and unfortunately the Prime Minister comes from the hard left,

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<v Speaker 2>as does Penny Wank. Now let's have a look at

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<v Speaker 2>this disgraceful story in New South Wales that you might

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<v Speaker 2>have heard about it tonight. It was front page of

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunday Telegraph as well. They broke the story. The

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales Transpot Minister Joe Halen has been slammed

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<v Speaker 2>for using taxpayer funds to splash on a chauffeur for

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<v Speaker 2>a private winery trip on the Australia Day Long weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>This was Linda Silmalis's story. She's an excellent journalist. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>what the minister said about it today.

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<v Speaker 11>While that travel was within the rules, it doesn't meet

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<v Speaker 11>the pub test and I fully acknowledge that and I

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<v Speaker 11>own that mistake. Stick my hand up and say I

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<v Speaker 11>made the wrong decision. Here I apologize for it, and

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<v Speaker 11>that's why I'm also repaying the cost of that trip.

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<v Speaker 2>In full, and Chris Mins has also been criticized for

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<v Speaker 2>saying that he's not going to sack her or another

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<v Speaker 2>minister who went with her on that taxpay funded, schaffer

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<v Speaker 2>driven ride.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the premiere. I want you sacked, Joe Haylo.

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<v Speaker 3>And Rose Jackson, but extraordinary used taxpay Lindy.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>Look, I'm not going to sack the ministers. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 12>that this is a major error and a big lapse

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<v Speaker 12>of judgment, and I am confident and I'm hopeful, and

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<v Speaker 12>I've told them both that I expect that they'll learn

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<v Speaker 12>from this mistake and that they won't repeat it.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Price, you can imagine if this was labor ministers,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, using a taxpay funded schaffer to go to

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<v Speaker 2>a winery.

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<v Speaker 1>You can imagine that outcry from labor. How oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what this is? Hypocrisy?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, it's unbelievable. And Chrismins has made a couple of

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<v Speaker 9>big errors in the last couple of weeks, this in

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<v Speaker 9>particular where he says I'm not going to sack the minister. Well,

0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 9>imagine what it was like this afternoon when you were

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<v Speaker 9>in the Premier's office and suddenly the telegraph reports will

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<v Speaker 9>hang on. It's not just the big Winery booze up trip.

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<v Speaker 9>She's been using show for driven government cars to transport

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<v Speaker 9>her son, according to The Daily Telegraph, back into Sydney

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<v Speaker 9>at the weekends to play sport, and then took her

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<v Speaker 9>family to some picnic up in the Blue Mountains, which

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<v Speaker 9>was a two hundred kilometer round trip as well. Now

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<v Speaker 9>she's a Minister for Transport, it seems that her interest

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<v Speaker 9>in transport only only amounts to show for driven cars

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<v Speaker 9>provided by the taxpayer.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly, Joe, you know this is a terrible look.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a cost of living crisis the transport minister. What's

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<v Speaker 2>wrong with the buses or the trades.

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<v Speaker 10>It's disgraceful. There's no excuse for it. I think even

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<v Speaker 10>the sort of even trying to argue that it was

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<v Speaker 10>technically within the rules is an extremely foolish thing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's a sackable eventse No, Look, I think.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't. I don't think heads on pikes are necessarily

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<v Speaker 10>always the answer, and Chris Means is right about that.

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<v Speaker 10>But I think it does the fact that it is so,

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, Chris Means, she's you know, Joe Halen has

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<v Speaker 10>come out and said, oh, but it was within the rules.

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<v Speaker 10>Chris Means has immediately come out and said, well, that's

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<v Speaker 10>why we're going to change the rules so that this

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<v Speaker 10>can't happen. The only reason why ministers have this discretion

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<v Speaker 10>is they're meant to be able to use their judgment

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<v Speaker 10>to say to rail workers, oh, sorry, no you can't

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<v Speaker 10>have a pay rise because it's too extravagant, or we

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<v Speaker 10>can't afford it. Well, at the same time, racking up

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<v Speaker 10>a seven hundred and fifty dollars taxi bill on New

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<v Speaker 10>South Wales takes taxpayers. I mean, it's really damaging. Chris

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<v Speaker 10>Means I can assure he's asolutely filthy. You can see

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<v Speaker 10>the look on the Deputy Premier's face standing behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Him as she just she was trying to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of shot.

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<v Speaker 9>She daggers.

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<v Speaker 10>You could actually see the daggers flying from her eyes

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<v Speaker 10>and very quickly when us it's just from left faction.

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<v Speaker 2>Incidentally, Yeah, let's get to this, that's why they'd be

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<v Speaker 2>that's such hypocrisy. Steve Price, I want to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>about this trade war that Donald Trump is being criticized for,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're also starting to see the Albenezy government here

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<v Speaker 2>in media reporting saying oh, well, if there's not a

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<v Speaker 2>rate cut, it's Donald Trump's fault.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, seriously, I mean, was anyone surprised that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 9>suddenly introduced tariffs on Canada and Mexico. You've spent the

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<v Speaker 9>whole year on the presidential campaign saying that if I

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<v Speaker 9>win the presidency, I'm going to put tariffs on the

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<v Speaker 9>crowd because they keep letting illegals flat across the border,

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<v Speaker 9>both from Canada and from Mexico. I mean, was anyone

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<v Speaker 9>surprised by this? I mean, and fancy suggesting that, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>if we don't get a rate cut, a's Donald Trump's fault.

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<v Speaker 9>Please leave me alone.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Steve Price, Joe huder Brand, thank you, fod

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<v Speaker 2>so much for seeing us.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's return to this wave of domestic terror.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no question the Albinezy government it hasn't done enough

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<v Speaker 2>on national security. There's one person who knows this better

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<v Speaker 2>than anyone. He knows this area inside out because he

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<v Speaker 2>used to lead the Home Affairs Department as secretary. Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Pozzulo joins me now from Canberra. Mike, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>much to have you on the show. Great to have

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<v Speaker 2>you on the show once again. Look, you're saying that

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<v Speaker 2>an operation Sovereign Borders style or campaign should now take

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<v Speaker 2>place to tackle anti Sammitism.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean by this?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, good evening, Sharion A very pleased to be here

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<v Speaker 13>to talk about a very grim topic. Security issues typically

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<v Speaker 13>are in the background and their chronic, whether they're public

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<v Speaker 13>safety of domestic security. You just simply assume that the

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<v Speaker 13>agencies have got a grip on the issues. When they

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<v Speaker 13>become acute though, and it's not just in this area

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<v Speaker 13>as violent as a borrent as recent developments have been,

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<v Speaker 13>but whether you've got a major cyber attack, the wave

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<v Speaker 13>that we saw when the Islamic State Caliphate was rampant

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<v Speaker 13>it for a few years, whether it's boat arrivals, you

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<v Speaker 13>need a very strong ministerial leadership of unified command and

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<v Speaker 13>control arrangements, not so that you can direct the field operatives.

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<v Speaker 13>They know what they're doing. We have fantastic operators in

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<v Speaker 13>both the Federal Police in ASIO and the New South

0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:24.080
<v Speaker 13>Wales Police. It's really about the upstream issues. Why is

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<v Speaker 13>this happening, What are the strategic gramifications of it worsening?

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<v Speaker 13>What can we do to prevent people ID eighting or

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<v Speaker 13>getting on boats or attacking us through cyber whatever the

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<v Speaker 13>issue is. OSP was a very successful template that not

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<v Speaker 13>only staunched the flow of boats in twenty thirteen and fourteen,

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<v Speaker 13>but it worked principally because there was a single line

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<v Speaker 13>of empowered authority from the Prime Minister to mister Morrison

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<v Speaker 13>to Lieutenant General Angus Campbell. It didn't mean that Angus Campbell,

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<v Speaker 13>who was the first OSB commander, all of sudden became

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<v Speaker 13>a policeman or all of sudden became the head of

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<v Speaker 13>another agency. He coordinated effort, galvanized it. If agencies then

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<v Speaker 13>had to say General Campbell, we can do that, but

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<v Speaker 13>to get legal authority, we need to get this type

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<v Speaker 13>of warrant, he would say, fine, get on and do it.

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<v Speaker 13>It's that really bringing people together, that is the galvanizing

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<v Speaker 13>value of a cross agency and in this case, I

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<v Speaker 13>think multi jurisdictional task force.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, we've seen this multiple attacks now that most normal

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<v Speaker 2>people would be considered would consider terrorist incidents. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>a caravan full of explosives that could create if it

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<v Speaker 2>was detonated, a forty meter blast wave. Do you think

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<v Speaker 2>there's a case for the terror threat.

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<v Speaker 1>Level to be raised.

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<v Speaker 13>Look not necessarily. First of all, there are a professional

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<v Speaker 13>judgment seed to be applied by the National Threat Assessment

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<v Speaker 13>staff in ASIO, who are world's best leading. They are fantastic.

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<v Speaker 13>I work very closely with them through their Director General

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<v Speaker 13>for many years. We already have from August of last year,

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<v Speaker 13>Shari the level raised to probable. That means in the

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<v Speaker 13>next twelve months, so from August of twenty four through

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<v Speaker 13>to August of this year, there is a fifty percent chance,

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<v Speaker 13>in fact greater than fifty percent chance of an attack

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<v Speaker 13>either being undertaken or planned to be executed and gets

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<v Speaker 13>thwarted or disrupted. So we're already at a level of

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<v Speaker 13>greater than fifty percent risk of it occurring. For the

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<v Speaker 13>Director General now to go to expect it, which is

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<v Speaker 13>the next level up, and I've got very deep confidence

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<v Speaker 13>in mister Burgess and his staff. They would really need

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 13>something much more fine grain to say there is an

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<v Speaker 13>attack that can be expected at any moment, and for

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<v Speaker 13>that to occur without causing undue alarm I think would

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<v Speaker 13>be a very big step. I think that a probable

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<v Speaker 13>We're already at a situation where we should be activating

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<v Speaker 13>these CT arrangements in the way that I've been describing.

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<v Speaker 13>In any event, probably should have been doing so from

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<v Speaker 13>last August when the level was raised.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the reality is, irrespective of whatever the technical

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.919
<v Speaker 2>criteria is, the terror threat is expected.

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<v Speaker 1>We are expecting something. Every week.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems that there is another incident, another fire bombing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is ideologically motivated, because we know that because there's

0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic graffiti ideologically motivated. So it is happening, It

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 2>is unfolding around us. Mike Bisula, I want to ask you.

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<v Speaker 13>I should say I agree with you completely. By the way,

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<v Speaker 13>I just want to be very clear. I'm distinguishing between

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<v Speaker 13>the clinical, technical standards and thresholds versus the lived experience.

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<v Speaker 13>I can't imagine what it would be like living as

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:50.000
<v Speaker 13>a Jewish Australian person in Sydney, Melbourne, or indeed anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 13>You certainly would feel that apprehension of an expected attack.

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<v Speaker 13>So I don't want to take anything away from that

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 13>visceral feeling that regrettably some members of our community have,

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<v Speaker 13>and they should have. They should feel safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, Mike Bisilo, do you think it was a

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<v Speaker 2>wise idea to issue nearly three thousand visas to Gazans

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<v Speaker 2>from a terrorist controlled zone when they're educated and brought

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<v Speaker 2>up to hate Jews, at a time when we have

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<v Speaker 2>an anti Samitism crisis. Isn't this showing extreme disregard for

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<v Speaker 2>anti Sammitism?

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<v Speaker 13>Not necessarily, I understand the number of the question. There

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<v Speaker 13>is an issue here of judgements about character. Last year

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<v Speaker 13>there was a debate about whether there'd been an ASIO screening,

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<v Speaker 13>and again ASIO have to apply very high thresholds in

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<v Speaker 13>terms of the security assessments that the Director General has

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<v Speaker 13>to make. I think from an abundance of caution, and

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<v Speaker 13>I can just speak from my personal preference. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 13>the Secretary at the time I left office in September

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<v Speaker 13>of twenty three. Of course, the borrant attacks occurred in

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<v Speaker 13>October over of twenty three. From an abundance of caution,

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<v Speaker 13>I probably would have paused any consideration, even from a

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<v Speaker 13>character point of view. In other words, I would have

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<v Speaker 13>applied a character lens, which is able to be done

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<v Speaker 13>through the Migration Act by way of minister or direction,

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<v Speaker 13>really just to pause all of those visas, just to

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 13>work through precisely that issue. So there's a question of

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<v Speaker 13>the security assessment that the ASIO Director General has to apply,

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<v Speaker 13>and by law, he makes that assessment under the very

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<v Speaker 13>strict criteria the ASIO Act.

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<v Speaker 8>And then there are.

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<v Speaker 13>Character judgments that have to be applied by the decision

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<v Speaker 13>makers who work ultimately under the authority of the Immigration Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're saying, out of an abundance of caution, you

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<v Speaker 2>would have paused the intake from Gaza after October seventh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I would have. If you were running Homer

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<v Speaker 1>facts considered, I.

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<v Speaker 13>Would have taken a step back, consulted with Five Eyes partners,

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<v Speaker 13>consulted with the Israelis. Of course, there are checks done.

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<v Speaker 13>You can't cross into Egypt without going through an Israeli checkpoint.

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<v Speaker 13>That would have helped. I would have just I would

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<v Speaker 13>have pulled all of that material together, put a freeze on.

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<v Speaker 13>And this can be done by way of ministerial direction,

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<v Speaker 13>because ministers can under the Migration Act not either turn

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<v Speaker 13>or modify individual decisions made by decision makers, but they

0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 13>can set parameters for decisions.

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<v Speaker 8>I would have just.

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<v Speaker 13>Until the situation became clearer and after extensive consultation with

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 13>Five Eyes, European, Israeli and other colleagues, I would have

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<v Speaker 13>taken an extra cautious view of those visas on character

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<v Speaker 13>grounds and not just simply the more narrow lens that

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<v Speaker 13>the Director General of Security has to buy law apply

0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 13>in a very restricted fashion. And we had that debate

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 13>last here about whether there was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sensible approach, Mike Bizulo, if you were still

0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Home Affairs, but you know the Abenezi government

0:30:54.680 --> 0:30:58.520
<v Speaker 2>moved on you in September twenty twenty three despite all

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of your hard work over a long career, including Operation

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Sovereign Bordis, which we began speaking about tonight. Mike Bazilla,

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate your coming on the show tonight. Now still

0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>to come the latest ads from Labor and the Coalition

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and they show where the election fight is heading. Plus

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Australia's top political donors revealed you'll be surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>By some of the results. That and more with my

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:23.840
<v Speaker 1>political panel next.

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring in our political panel now, former

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 2>media advisor to Scott Morrison Andrew Carswell and former.

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:35.240
<v Speaker 1>Chief of Staff to Bill Sholt.

0:31:35.000 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 3>And Cameron Miln are great to see you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the government has launched a scare campaign against Peter

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton personally, I want to get your take on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Here it is.

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<v Speaker 14>These are all cost of living measures introduced by the

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 14>federal Labor government because we understand the pressure families are

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:01.200
<v Speaker 14>under and every little bit helps. But look who was

0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 14>opposed to every single.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 1>One of them.

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<v Speaker 14>Whichever way you look at it, you'll be worse off

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<v Speaker 14>under Dutton.

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Now let's see what you think will be more effective

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 2>that Labor ad or this coalition.

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<v Speaker 15>Out Later, I started a small family business. It grew

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:31.560
<v Speaker 15>to forty staff who had families, mortgages and aspirations, which

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 15>means that you were relied on to balance the books

0:32:34.000 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 15>and be responsible as a minister. I learned that a

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 15>strong economy and a safe community are central to everything

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 15>that you sometimes need to stand up to vested interests

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 15>and always make decisions in our national interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron, what does this tell you about how Labor and

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>the Coalition are now pitching themselves?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, telling you that Peter Dutton has actually got some

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.120
<v Speaker 16>really positive numbers, and he's obviously opened up with a

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 16>very professional ad talking about himself. The piece you miss

0:33:04.760 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 16>which I love the most of that ad is the

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 16>picture of him and John Howard actually which is the

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 16>next section of that ad. I think it's a perfect

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 16>and poignant moment of peed Dutton's history in politics. But

0:33:13.480 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 16>it tells you Labour's running scared. I mean, Labor promised

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 16>a new politics, Albert promised that politics is going to

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 16>be changed by him, and he said he's just gone

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:23.480
<v Speaker 16>back the sludge bucket, got the mark and started to

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 16>throw it. I mean, this is just a that said though,

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:28.760
<v Speaker 16>it's a pretty weak ad. It's a pretty weak negative,

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 16>a bit like Labour's leader, a bit like Labour's leader agreed.

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>It's not a good ad.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you've got to read what's in each of

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 2>the boxes. You know, no one has time for that

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>when they're busy. You need an ad that's going to

0:33:39.240 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>grab you straight away if you're making school lunches or

0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is.

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Andrew clearly in our busy lives. Yeah, Andrew clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an effort from Dutton's campaign campaign to sell him

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 2>as the human they're trying to, you know, change his

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:58.920
<v Speaker 2>image a little bit, soften it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 17>What do you think, Well, first and foremost, I actually

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 17>disagree on the Labor I think it's more effective than

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 17>you're giving it credit for Yes, it's a little bit

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:12.120
<v Speaker 17>wordy at the start, but clearly they are moving away

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 17>from this strategy where they're denigrating Peter Dutton for his

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 17>strong leadership characteristics. That was never going to work. That's

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 17>actually pointing to that guy, and so they vote for

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 17>him because he's strong, and when Australians are crying out

0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 17>for strong leadership, they're going to get flocked towards the

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 17>guy that is actually strong. So I think it's actually

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 17>a sensible ad from Labor for once. I must admit

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 17>it gets the tone right and it's clearly directed at

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:40.799
<v Speaker 17>women voters as well. I think it just taps into

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 17>that innate thought that women voters have towards essential services

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 17>and the funding of essential services.

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 3>So I think it taps into that.

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.440
<v Speaker 17>But it's very clear also on the flip side, that

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 17>this is the Dutton that most people see behind the scenes,

0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 17>and that is what's been trying that Liberal Party are

0:34:59.719 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 17>trying to to address you. They have this preconceived idea

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 17>who Peter Dutton is, based on the work that he

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.919
<v Speaker 17>has done in this place, the hard jobs that he's

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 17>had to undertake, the fact that he's been an attack

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:13.839
<v Speaker 17>dog on behalf of very determined governments. So that's one

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 17>side of Peter Dutton, but not often people see the

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 17>other side, and those that have worked closely with him

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 17>and know him personally know that what's been displayed on

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.240
<v Speaker 17>this at is the Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Let's have a look at who the biggest

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 2>donors have been to the political parties over the past year.

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Topping the list for Labor, perhaps surprisingly was billiardaire Anthony Pratt.

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>He gave a million dollars to the Labor Party. The

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Liberals received nearly six hundred thousand dollars from Merit and

0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>properties controlled by Harry Triggerbof and five hundred thousand dollars

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 2>from Gina Ryan Hartz Hankock prospecting Cameron. This is quite

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 2>interesting and this is during the past year, so we

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know the election period yet but this could change

0:35:58.200 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>once again.

0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 16>It could. But what's good about this is we've got disclosure.

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 16>It's good in the Australia that we actually got transparency

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 16>around the political donations that I made. And I think

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.560
<v Speaker 16>corporate Australia should be contributing the political process. And I

0:36:10.600 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 16>think when you see Anthony Prat over the years and

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 16>usy holdings, you'll find they're pretty equal, So next year

0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 16>I suspect it will square up. But nevertheless, it's great

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:20.879
<v Speaker 16>that they're involved and great they're making that contribution because

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 16>they should be involved in our politics and they should

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 16>be supporting our political parties of both political persuasions.

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we know that Anthony Pratt just gave fifteen

0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>million dollars to Trump's campaign, so you never know he

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>could support Peter Dutton this time around.

0:36:32.840 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 1>We just don't know yet.

0:36:34.640 --> 0:36:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Andrew, can you tell us a bit about Climate two

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>hundred and the Teals funding and how that compares.

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah, I don't honestly have an issue with the funding

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 17>on either side of politics, and even with the Teals

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 17>as well. I agree transparency is king here. We have

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 17>a great system of transparency that shines a light on

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.320
<v Speaker 17>who is giving what and for what reason, and I

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 17>think that's appropriate. But we're not talking big dollars here. Also,

0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 17>compared to the American system, I think a lot of

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 17>political parties here in Australia they seriously run off the

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 17>smell of an oily rag. So we don't see that

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.960
<v Speaker 17>top of issue here with other jurisdictions, And I would

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 17>note too that even when people do throw tens of

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 17>millions of dollars at the political system, it doesn't necessarily

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 17>buy you influence, as Clok Palmer found out.

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, all right, well, there was an interesting piece in

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:30.520
<v Speaker 2>The Australian Today. Chris Mitchell, the columnist has described the

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 2>partnership between the Prime Minister and the treasurer as similar

0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 2>to between Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard. Cameron Milner, you

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>know these characters, these people very well. What did you

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 2>think of this column and this analysis?

0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 16>Well, look, the Albany's government's far worse than the rug

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 16>Gillard Rud period, and for one simple reason. The Labor

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:53.400
<v Speaker 16>caucus should be doing its job and finishing off a

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 16>lazy and week leader. They did it, did it to

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 16>write when he failed? They did it's a Gillard when

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.360
<v Speaker 16>she failed. The Labor caucus has outsourced their response ability

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.640
<v Speaker 16>to voters at the next election rather doing what they

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 16>should have done, which is roll the guy.

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:05.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>No, it's fascinating to hear you say that the current

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Albanezer government is worse than the Rud Gillard Rudd chaos

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 2>worse And I think that is what a lot of

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 2>people are starting to say that this is the worst

0:38:17.680 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 2>prime minister perhaps in Australia's history. All Right, Andrew, we're

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 2>out of time. We'll get your response next week. Great

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.919
<v Speaker 2>to have you both with us again. Now coming after

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the break, my exclusive interview with Hollywood actor Daniel Lissing.

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>He's one of the few people in Hollywood speaking out

0:38:34.520 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 2>about antisemitism, and after the break he shares his very

0:38:38.239 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>personal family story.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't miss it, welcome back.

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, we haven't seen enough people in Hollywood who are

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>truly influential speaking out about the antisemitism crisis that's affecting

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 2>the entire international community. Australian born actor Daniel Lissing. He's

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:08.000
<v Speaker 2>known for his roles on TV series like Last Resort

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:10.759
<v Speaker 2>and When Calls, The Heart and The Rookie, also in

0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>many Christmas movies. He joined me to tell the remarkable

0:39:14.800 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>story of his grandparents and how they survived the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 17>Here it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel's so great to have you on the show. Thank

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.359
<v Speaker 1>you very much for joining us.

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:27.640
<v Speaker 18>Thank you so much for having me, Sherry. I'm grateful

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 18>you asked me to be on.

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 1>Can you tell me a bit about this project? If

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:32.359
<v Speaker 1>you heard what I heard?

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, yeah, If You Heard What I Heard is a

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 18>great nonprofit. It was founded in twenty twenty one in

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 18>April by a woman here in Los Angeles named Carolyn Siegel,

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:54.360
<v Speaker 18>and she is the granddaughter of Holocaust survivors. And she

0:39:54.480 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 18>witnessed Andy Semitic incident the year before and thought that

0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 18>if these people had heard the stories that she had

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:07.719
<v Speaker 18>heard from her grandparents growing up, then then maybe there'd

0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 18>be a little less hate in the world. And so

0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 18>she founded this organization. Out of all the organizations to

0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:22.400
<v Speaker 18>do with anti Semitism, the Holocaust Jewish Affairs, this is

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:28.320
<v Speaker 18>the only one that has a primary focus on the

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 18>last generation to ever hear the story's first hand from

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 18>Holocaust survivors, the grandchildren like me. So If You Heard

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 18>What I Heard interviews the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors so

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 18>that we might continue their legacy and continue the stories

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:58.280
<v Speaker 18>of their heartbreak and resilience and strength to a younger generation.

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Daniel, I think the story of your grandparents is just

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:06.760
<v Speaker 2>so remarkable. Rebecca and Herman, can you tell us about

0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:07.759
<v Speaker 2>what they went through?

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 18>My grandparents were young, normal kids growing up in Amsterdam

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 18>in the nineteen thirties, and then when war broke out.

0:41:24.160 --> 0:41:26.840
<v Speaker 18>A lot of the Dutch population thought, well, this couldn't

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 18>possibly come to Dutch soil, and of course it did.

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:37.240
<v Speaker 18>And during that time, as the Nazis were occupying Holland

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 18>and the sanctions were coming in and the roundups and

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.800
<v Speaker 18>the deportations and the laws and restrictions against the Jewish

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:51.520
<v Speaker 18>people systematically, my grandparents met. They joined the Dutch underground,

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 18>They fell in love, and they did all they could

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 18>to resist this month that was taking over Holland and Europe.

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 18>By the time my grandparents my grandmother's parents were deported,

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 18>they decided it was time for them to escape, and

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.719
<v Speaker 18>that's what they tried to do, to get across the

0:42:18.800 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 18>border down into Belgium. But soon after they were both

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:27.560
<v Speaker 18>captured about six weeks apart, and then sent to Auschwitz,

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:31.240
<v Speaker 18>which I'm sure your viewers know was the biggest Nazi

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 18>death camp there was. And my grandmother said to me that,

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 18>you know, we were Dutch. The life expectancy for a

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 18>Dutch girl, because there was the women's camp and the

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 18>men's camp, the life expectancy for a Dutch girl was

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 18>only six weeks there in the camps, and by all records,

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:59.439
<v Speaker 18>out of the sixteen hundred people on her transport, which

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:05.719
<v Speaker 18>was Transport twenty three force, survived out of sixteen of

0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 18>those people were gone to the guest chambers on that

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:13.360
<v Speaker 18>very first day. Because she was young and strong, she

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 18>was allowed to try and work. But every day new

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:27.399
<v Speaker 18>people were coming in and they had to make room,

0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:32.240
<v Speaker 18>and so they would do selections and if you failed

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.760
<v Speaker 18>the selections, you were off to the guest chambers.

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:40.000
<v Speaker 2>It's such a miracle, a true miracle that both Rebecca

0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and herman survived the concentration camps, including Auschwitz. And after miracle,

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:48.120
<v Speaker 2>because one point one million Jews were killed in Auschwitz,

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 2>how did they reconnect afterwards?

0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:51.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:59.400
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, so through through the camps. My there was messages

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.640
<v Speaker 18>occasionally going back and forth between the camps, and my

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:07.680
<v Speaker 18>grandmother had heard that herman had died of typhus early on,

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:13.680
<v Speaker 18>and so she had lost hope until the death March.

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:18.920
<v Speaker 18>The death March was, you know, walking in rags in

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 18>minus ten minus twenty snow through Poland. They crossed a

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:32.280
<v Speaker 18>man's camp, and my grandmother had heard that herman was alive,

0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 18>but he wasn't going to make it. So that was

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 18>the little glimmer of hope. But there was no way

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 18>that he was going to survive it. So so she

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 18>at that point, I think, just lost the will to live,

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 18>and somehow she says this, she said that to me.

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 18>But somehow she held on to liberation, which was not

0:44:55.000 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 18>long after that. And when she was suffering from typhus herself,

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 18>she was thirty three kilograms in wait. She was destroyed, emotionally, physically,

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 18>spiritually gone and she was sent back to Amsterdam to

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 18>a hospital there, but the hospital really couldn't treat her.

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:31.360
<v Speaker 18>And there was this there was this hospice in just

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 18>north of Amsterdam. Now, my grandfather after liberation was very

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 18>much in the same boat, you know, but he had

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 18>hope that maybe his wife survived, maybe because she was strong,

0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 18>she was a fighter, he knew that, and he said

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 18>about finding her. And so he spent after liberation, he

0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 18>spent weeks diting his way across Europe from Poland to

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:08.239
<v Speaker 18>get back to Holland, and he would stop at Red

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 18>Cross stations, hospitals, and he Allied troops that would be

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 18>giving care to these prisoners.

0:46:15.680 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 8>He was looking for her.

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 18>Yeah, So he was dotting his way across Europe to

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 18>try and find his wife. And he was stopping at

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.280
<v Speaker 18>all these places, searching her name and looking at manifests

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 18>and things like that. Eventually he found the right one

0:46:27.560 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 18>and led back to the Netherlands. He got on a

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:38.360
<v Speaker 18>train he went there. He was standing outside her hospital

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:42.359
<v Speaker 18>room and there was a woman there that was taking

0:46:42.400 --> 0:46:46.759
<v Speaker 18>care of her and said, she's so fragile right now.

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 18>She believes your head. It's a miracle you're here. Just wait,

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 18>I have to I have to tell her that you

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 18>were outside the room. And this Kara walks in and

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:04.440
<v Speaker 18>tells Rebecca, this is going to be a shock, but

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:10.399
<v Speaker 18>a family member survived your husband. He's standing outside this room,

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 18>and she didn't want to believe it. She hit under

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:18.919
<v Speaker 18>the covers and she felt this presence come into the room.

0:47:18.960 --> 0:47:21.880
<v Speaker 18>My grandfather walked in and she was screaming go away.

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:27.680
<v Speaker 18>You know, she just couldn't believe that anyone could survive

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 18>what she had survived. She was ready to die, she'd

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 18>given up, and when they were reunited, she had a

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 18>reason to live.

0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Daniel, listen, thank you so much for sharing this incredible

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:42.239
<v Speaker 2>story with us.

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:45.399
<v Speaker 18>Thank you for your time, I mean, honestly, anytime, mate,

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:46.160
<v Speaker 18>Thank you so much.

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Such a lovely guy and I've written up that full

0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 2>story of what happened after Rebecca and herman reconnected.

0:47:53.960 --> 0:47:56.080
<v Speaker 3>It'll be on the Sky News website a bit later.

0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 2>But after the break Peter Dutton's secret weapon ahead of

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:10.320
<v Speaker 2>the election. Stay tuned, all right. Well, it's interesting to

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 2>see how relaxed Peter Dutton looks at the start of

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:17.760
<v Speaker 2>an election year. He's relaxed, he's confident, and he's quietly

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 2>confident of a win. Dutton is also softening his image

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:25.320
<v Speaker 2>by bringing his family into the election campaign, and I

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.319
<v Speaker 2>hear we'll be seeing more of Peter Dutton's twenty two

0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 2>year old daughter Rebecca over the coming months. She's set

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to pop up more in her dad's campaign materials. She

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:38.240
<v Speaker 2>already had her first appearance in this campaign.

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 15>At later, I started a small family business. It grew

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:49.879
<v Speaker 15>to forty staff who had families, mortgages and aspirations, which

0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 15>means that you were relied on to balance the books

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 15>and be responsible. As a minister. I learned that a

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 15>strong economy and a safe community are central to everything.

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:03.520
<v Speaker 15>That you sometimes need to stand up to vested interests

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 15>and always make decisions in our national interest.

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 2>We saw in the US election the Donald Trump's son Baron,

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:16.440
<v Speaker 2>he became popular online. His granddaughter Kai Trump also gave

0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 2>a speech at the Republican Convention. Now, Duttan is known

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 2>as a tough politician, and we need that in the

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>country at the moment. We need someone who's strong, not weak.

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>His wife Kiri Lee and his daughter Rebecca will help

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 2>present a softer and more family friendly image to win

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:37.120
<v Speaker 2>over some of the female voters the coalition needs to

0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:38.160
<v Speaker 2>win the next election.

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Now that's it for me.

0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll see you here tomorrow at eight o'clock. We've got

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 2>another great show tomorrow night. David Coleman, he'll be on.

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:48.879
<v Speaker 2>He's the new Foreign Affairs shadow spokesman, so don't miss

0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 2>his interview.

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:51.560
<v Speaker 1>But right now, here's Paul Murray.