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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. This is better than yesterday. Useful

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Speaker 1: tools and useful conversations to help make your day to

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Speaker 1: day better than yesterday. Every single episode since twenty and thirteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm Washingginsburg and I'm glad you're here. If you've never

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Speaker 1: listened to the show today, I'm also hi. I'm Australian

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Speaker 1: human being. I am fifty two in about a week

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Speaker 1: from now. I'm a dad, I'm a stepdad. I'm a

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Speaker 1: best selling author, I'm a recovering TV host and I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you're here. An interesting week, interesting week. I'll put

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Speaker 1: it a little bit up from my conversation with Daniel

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Speaker 1: Sloss about how gatekeeping on the left is helping, in

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Speaker 1: many ways, helping the rise of the right, because on

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Speaker 1: the left it's like no, but you're not you're not

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Speaker 1: clean enough, you're not pure enough, you're not no, you'd

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Speaker 1: know what about those things. But on the right, it's

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Speaker 1: just like, yep, you're in. Come on in. The story

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Speaker 1: is simple and in. You know, the particular example I

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Speaker 1: was giving was about vegans, because I haven't eaten meat

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Speaker 1: twenty eight or so, and I'm a professional Broadcasterally, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to use hyperbole to make a point in a

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Speaker 1: short amount of time, as I use the line I

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Speaker 1: hate vegans and I am one, because I don't particularly

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Speaker 1: agree with that the idea that shaming or guilty someone

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Speaker 1: is going to lead to long term behavior change. It's

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Speaker 1: not for me. And the gatekeeping thing on the left

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Speaker 1: is just it's just shooting itself in the foot. The

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Speaker 1: left is too busy shooting itself in the foot and

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Speaker 1: then apologizing for the privilege of having a foot to

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Speaker 1: even shoot in the first place, and then making sure

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Speaker 1: that everybody awares that they know they are incredibly fortunate

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Speaker 1: to have a foot to shoot at. Absolutely, And you

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Speaker 1: can have no feet at all and still be just

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Speaker 1: as valuable a human being even if you don't have

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Speaker 1: feet to shoot yourself. And by the time they finish

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Speaker 1: that people have for a voted to the other guy,

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Speaker 1: they've already gone over there, you know, And it's not

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Speaker 1: for me. You know, you can't let perfect be the enemy.

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Speaker 1: You're good, in the words a Courtney Act. You can

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Speaker 1: be correct or you can be effective. I like to

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Speaker 1: think I prefer to try to be effective. Attraction, not promotion,

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Speaker 1: and that is just one of the many things that

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Speaker 1: I love about my favorite plant based human on the planet,

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Speaker 1: mister Rich Role. I felt today would be as good

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Speaker 1: a moment as any to grab a couple of slabs

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Speaker 1: of wisdom from the Guru himself. He is on top

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Speaker 1: of the world right now. Make no mistake. When I

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Speaker 1: first met Rich twenty twelve, I think, yeah, things were

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Speaker 1: very different for millions of people right around the world.

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Speaker 1: Rich is a beacon of what is possible when you

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Speaker 1: choose a life of reinvention, of authenticity, and the life

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Speaker 1: he has now is incredible. But the life that he

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Speaker 1: has didn't always.

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Speaker 2: Look like that.

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Speaker 1: There were times when it was really, really, really hard.

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Speaker 1: So what does it look like when everything falls apart,

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Speaker 1: when your house is about to be repossessed, when the

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Speaker 1: cars are gone, when you're dumping your rubbish in dumpsters

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Speaker 1: behind grocery stores because you can't afford to get your

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Speaker 1: bins taken out. That's the life that Rich and his

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Speaker 1: family lived, not for six weeks, not for six months,

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Speaker 1: but nearly seven years. And the remarkable part about his

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Speaker 1: story is he didn't just survive it. He used that experience,

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Speaker 1: family used that experience to create something entirely new, and

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Speaker 1: in the bits of the conversation we're going to read

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Speaker 1: is Today, Rich gets brutally honest about the gap between

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Speaker 1: perception and reality, why the worst moments of life can

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Speaker 1: become your greatest teachers. And look, if you've ever felt

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Speaker 1: you're just a bad month away from everything falling apart,

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Speaker 1: or wondered if the dream that you're pursuing is actually

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Speaker 1: worth the cost, I really want you to keep listening

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Speaker 1: because this is an incredibly inspiring episode. There's a particular

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Speaker 1: kind of hell that comes with public success and private collapse.

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Speaker 1: You're the face of transformation, You're the guy running like

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Speaker 1: a gazelle across the cover of a magazine, and behind

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Speaker 1: the lights on. This dissonance is something that Rich is

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Speaker 1: intimately familiar with. For nearly seven years after leaving the

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Speaker 1: illegal practice, he was a partner. After starting his podcast,

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Speaker 1: after polishing his first book, he and Julie, his wife,

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Speaker 1: were barely surviving the world from the outside sees as

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Speaker 1: ultra endurance athlete. What they didn't see was there's the

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Speaker 1: man in the driveway coming to repossess the car. So

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Speaker 1: what does the gap between perception and reality actually feel like.

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Speaker 1: I've been lucky to have known Rich for a very

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Speaker 1: long time, and he and I would go on bike

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask him about that day. I remember going

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Speaker 3: So I complained that my kids about that, going what fuck, dude,

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Speaker 3: she was so fucking shit, And that's what's going on, man.

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Speaker 1: It goes, ah, Yeah, they're supposed to be coming to

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Speaker 2: You remember that day? I do, Yeah, but like trigger

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Speaker 2: like talk more. It was I'm trying to It was earlier.

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Speaker 1: You were still recording the podcast in your garage, so

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Speaker 3: You were trying to piece some stuff together.

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Speaker 1: You were honestly saying to me, and I've heard you

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Speaker 1: talk about this, and I'm happy to cut it out

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Speaker 1: and you don't want your mate, but no, I've heard

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Speaker 1: you from an open book, You've heard you've ever heard

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Speaker 1: to just tell me you left when your show. A

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Speaker 1: number of times we actually didn't know where the next

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Speaker 1: mortgage painman was going to come from.

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Speaker 2: We hadn't been paying our mortgage at all at that point.

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Speaker 2: There was there was no next Yeah, the house was

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Speaker 2: it was a ticking clock before they came for the house.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that day they were coming from my car, that's right.

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Speaker 2: But the house repossession was very much on the horizon.

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Speaker 2: And this is after finding Ultra came out. This is

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Speaker 2: after starting the podcast. This is you know, people are like,

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Speaker 2: oh the pot you know, like my life is an

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Speaker 2: you know, I can't I just can't even believe that

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Speaker 2: But I think the thing that gets missed is is

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Speaker 2: like how unbelievably challenging it was for not six months,

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Speaker 2: not a year. It went on for like almost seven

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Speaker 2: years of just not knowing if I could even you know,

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Speaker 3: It's not just hum we're talking to little kids. We're

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Speaker 1: Not seven weeks, not seven months, brick by brick, piercing

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Speaker 1: it together for seven years, seven years of driving the

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Speaker 1: magazine covers across the world call your success. That's not

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Speaker 1: like a you know, an afterthought. After the closing credits,

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Speaker 1: when the guy shows up to repossess your car, look,

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Speaker 1: you've got a choice. You can fight it, you can

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Speaker 1: Julie chose the latter over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: Not because they were enlightened, even though she does play

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Speaker 1: the dulcimer while the deer frolick in the mountains around

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Speaker 1: survival mode and they'd learned something in crucial in surviving.

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Speaker 1: Suffering comes from resistance, not from circumstances. They called it

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Speaker 1: the Jedi mindset. It's showed up in rather unexpected ways.

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Speaker 1: So how did they keep that mindset when everything was

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think on some level you're in a

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Speaker 2: the day through blinders. And again it's back to what

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Speaker 2: can I control. It's like, Okay, I can like do

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Speaker 2: I can take care of that that doesn't cost any money.

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Speaker 2: I can make sure that I pick up the kids

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Speaker 2: I can send out these emails. I can reply to

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Speaker 2: these emails. I can create a piece of content. Like

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Speaker 2: it's all little things like what can I do as

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Speaker 2: just okay, maintain your neutrality, which is key. You can't

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Speaker 2: And Julie would always say, like you have to have

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Speaker 2: And to your point, your story about having our car repossessed.

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Speaker 2: you have kids? What's your life like? Like, you know,

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Speaker 2: like nobody treats that guy with any kind of dignity

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Speaker 2: it actually brought us together. There was a Christmas Morning

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Speaker 2: And Trapper made a little video at the time that

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Speaker 2: something good out of you know, this type of situation

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Speaker 2: and understand like look at it like a game, like

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Speaker 2: this is a game. You know. They want you to

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Speaker 2: be reactive, They want you to crumble like, oh, they

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Speaker 2: took the car. The baller move is to not care, right,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? After a bunch of those,

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Speaker 2: Like we were the poorest richbie, like like we're like

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Speaker 2: squatting in a house that we didn't deserve to live in,

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Speaker 2: and beans at the time, and we were tested, you know,

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Speaker 2: all the way to the max. And it's that thing

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Speaker 2: you know, not to get too biblical about the whole thing,

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Speaker 2: but it's like, hey, like show.

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Speaker 3: Me a sign, like anything, and like any opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Like let me do that, let me exploit that any speaking.

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Speaker 2: You know, you'll pay me five hundred dollars, Like I'm there,

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Speaker 2: How do I get there? Like yeah? And just slowly,

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Speaker 2: slowly over time, like stringing those together and then you know,

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Speaker 2: a couple miracles occurring, including like at the very last minute,

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Speaker 1: Are you going to demonstrate courage or are you going

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Speaker 1: to scurry back to safety? That's the question that changes everything.

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Speaker 1: It's not what's the smart move or what would people advise?

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Speaker 1: But what does courage look like right now? And it's

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Speaker 1: understandable rich want to discovery. He talks about it openly.

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Speaker 1: The pain too high, the risk too much, the responsibility

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Speaker 1: too heavy. Butituly his wife could see something that he

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Speaker 1: wasn't able to see in that moment, that this was

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Speaker 1: his divine moment and she wasn't going to let him

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Speaker 1: miss it by putting that tailored shirt back on. Riches's

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Speaker 1: story is not about going from zero to hero. It's

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Speaker 1: about staying in the game when zero looks like the

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Speaker 1: best option. It's about Julie asking the courage question and

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Speaker 1: really meaning it. It's about painting T shirts on Christmas

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Speaker 1: morning when you can't afford gifts for each other. It's

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Speaker 1: about understanding that the answer to your impossible problem won't

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Speaker 1: come from thinking harder. It will come a couple of

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Speaker 1: kilometers down the road when your mind finally shuts up

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Speaker 1: enough for less subconscious to show up with an answer.

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Speaker 1: That's the lesson here. I reckon the one that shows

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Speaker 1: up in the movement, in the letting go of the

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Speaker 1: resistance to the situation and refusing to scurry back to

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Speaker 1: the tailored shirt. If you're in it, stay in it.

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Speaker 1: So if you're both in it, stay in it. The

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Speaker 1: hard part that it's all part of it. I love

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Speaker 1: rich and Julie with all of my heart. That were

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Speaker 1: my family away from my family when I was overseas,

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Speaker 1: and I'm so happy I've got to share that part

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Speaker 1: of the conversation with you today. There's a whole episode

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Speaker 1: guys for an hour and a half. It's unreal, Episode

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Speaker 1: four already four. It's in the show notes if you

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Speaker 1: want to go check that one out. Thank you so

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