WEBVTT - Lise and Sarah's formula for health, success and friendship 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.160 Why is it so hard to get real answers about 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.560 your health? If you've been told that everything looks fine, 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:08.800 but you know that something is off, well, you're not 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.800 imagining it. That's why I created Vitality three sixty to 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.080 help you better understand what's going on inside your body 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.040 so that you can take the targeted action needed. With 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:22.639 a functional health approach plus testing, we go beyond the 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.480 guesswork to uncover the root causes of your symptoms. I've 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.240 teamed up with doct Esmina, an incredible integrative GP, and 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:33.440 together we will help you decode your body's signals and 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:37.640 answer questions like why am I always exhausted? What's really 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:41.720 causing my stubborn weight? Am I inflamed? Insulin resistant? Or 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.560 maybe missing key nutrients? Because when you understand your body better, 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.920 you can transform your health. Visit v three sixty dot 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.559 health or check out the show notes for more. A 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:57.320 little while ago, I went to my first ever women's 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:58.640 only disco. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.360 Oh my goodness, it was such a. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.959 Vibe and I didn't know what to expect. I was 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.240 basically tapped on the shoulder by a friend who said, 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:11.280 we've got a party bus booked from avalon Beach on 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:15.080 the northern beaches of Sydney. Come along women's only, It's 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:15.959 going to be a hoot. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:17.760 So I really just went. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.039 Along with very low expectations and thought, oh, look at 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:23.160 the worst, I'll burn a few calories and have a 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.520 bit of a boogie with my friends. Well, I cannot 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:36.320 tell you how unbelievably awesome and what a beautiful, emotional hug. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:37.400 The night was. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:40.120 It was at the Hawden Pavilion in Sydney, and from 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:43.720 the moment we bundled out of the party bus, Okay, 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:46.479 we might have been a few Margi's deep at that point, 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.360 we just had the best time. There were sequence, there 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:55.240 was energy galore, it was fun, it was silly. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:57.240 It's such a different. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.960 Dynamic to when there's guys the event. But anyway, while 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.440 we were in there, I didn't really know a lot 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.080 about the background of this event. But these two unbelievable 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:11.480 hosts were up on stage just you know, a'm seeing 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.520 the night, bringing the energy, interacting with the crowd. And 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.040 I said to my girlfriend, who are these ladies. I 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.240 want to know their story. I want to know the 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:36.280 story of this disco. I want to be like them. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.440 This is healthy. Her with Amelia Phillips. 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:43.000 When I come across incredible, vibrant and successful women in 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:47.720 midlife juggling it all, firstly I think you bloddy legend, 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.880 look at you go? But then I want to know 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:53.960 how do they do it? What is their winning formula? 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:58.040 Are they the up at five emas, the super delegators, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.560 the octopus mums that are able to do eight things 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.880 at once? Or are they the ones that are kind 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.960 of hanging on by a thin thread, holding on with 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.480 white knuckles, holding on for the ride, waiting for it 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.000 to either filling them. 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:14.119 Off the side or for the ride to end. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.760 Behind every great woman, there are some incredible stories and 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.399 stories that we can all learn from and be inspired by. 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:27.600 So when I recently attended this huge all female disco 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.640 and I saw these two glowing ladies owning the stage, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.560 I wanted to know more. Lees and Sarah are the 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:37.920 duo behind the wildly successful Lees and Sarah podcast, as 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:38.760 well as. 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.200 The national phenomenon that is now known. 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:45.040 As Disco Club and their book forty Favors the Brave. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:50.520 They've built a beautiful community of women who are craving connection, laughter, friendship, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:54.440 and permission to enjoy this stage of life again, but 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:58.000 behind the sequence the sold out dance floors, the hilarious 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:02.240 stories are two women and navigating the same pressures many 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:07.840 of us are. Midlife, motherhood, work, identity, energy, stress, the 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.080 constant juggle of modern life. So today we're talking about 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.840 what's really happening behind the scenes, what it takes to 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.880 have a full on career like they do, the highs, exhaustion, 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.359 the reinvention, the invisible load that us women carry, and 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:28.840 what it actually takes to stay healthy, energized, successful and 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.560 sane while trying to hold everything together. 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.599 Li's and Sarah, thank you so much for joining me 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:35.360 on Healthy Her. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.000 Thank you for having us. 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:38.360 Yeah, it's excited. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:42.080 Oh my goodness, guys, you have just completed this national 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:46.719 disco tour. And you didn't just rest when this disco 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.520 tour was done. You then m seed one of the 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:54.680 most talked about wellness retreats with Meagan Markel. You host 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.560 your uber popular podcast, your mums, your partners. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:03.159 How are you both actually staying stable? Sarah? I might 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.920 start with you, are you staying stable? 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.640 Yeah, we are staying stable. I think the wonderful thing 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.560 about being in a duo which I am with Lee's 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.800 and a duo that is in the exact same life 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:21.200 stage which we are. I'm forty five and Lee's just 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:22.080 turned forty six. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:23.880 I'll be forty six this year as well. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.880 We have children around the same age, so the demands 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.440 of our personal life is pretty much equal to that 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.800 of our professional life. So there's always very much an 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:38.279 intrinsic understanding of what the other one needs and wants, 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:43.080 and we're very we operate very much in symbiosis. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:44.960 Is that the right term that I've used their. 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:49.400 Fancy word for just saying where always we've always got 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:52.000 each other's back. So when there are incredibly busy times 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:55.599 for work, which there are when we're touring, when we've 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:59.560 got lots of podcast action on, then we know exactly 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:02.840 what we need to do for ourselves and for each other. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:04.720 And then when there's quiet times we both make the 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:05.400 most of that too. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:10.320 Lee'z how have you found this, I guess career pivot. 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:13.400 Do you want to tell me where you started and 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.120 how the two of you came to be? 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.640 Yeah, for sure, I think our story is very much 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.640 one of the late bloomer Sarah and I only met 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:31.240 in our early to mid thirties. We both had careers separately, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.359 of course, in similar fields. Sarah was in media and 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:40.480 communications PR. I had also done journalism, I was copywriting, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:45.440 I've worked in fashion. But when we met, it really 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:51.320 was sparks flew, you know, in a friendship sort of way. 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:55.200 But we also very quickly realized that professionally we had 0:06:55.360 --> 0:07:00.880 something pretty special. And at first, I suppose it was 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.160 just sort of very one dimensional. We were like, we 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.800 should just do something together. There wasn't a huge amount 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.200 of thought other than just a knowing that when we 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.640 were together we bounced really well off on another. We 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:17.679 had similar senses of humor, we had a similar take 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:22.120 on the world, and definitely similar interests. So we just 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.680 started off as an MC duo and we were doing 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.680 a lot of that around Brisbane. We quickly got sick 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.960 of doing that and started producing our own events, which 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.960 was absolutely taking a big leap of faith because we 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:39.920 had no actual experience as event producers. We just had 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.400 a really good sensibility of what we liked and what 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.520 we were interested in seeing, and we did really well 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:49.160 at that just by following our guts and leaning on 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.400 our own sort of professional instincts, and then from there 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.040 we got tapped on the shoulder, and we both started 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:59.360 in radio together. We got off at a radio show 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:04.000 on Southern Crosshold stereo, and you know, it's just a 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:11.040 real story of what happens when you just back yourself 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:16.280 a little bit and take some really big, hairy, audacious 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.720 steps in a direction that most people would have said, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.520 you don't belong there, Who the hell do you think 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.480 you are? I think, in fact, we did get a 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.120 few of those comments, who the hell do these two 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.480 think they are? But as Sarah touched on, when you're 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:37.280 working alongside your best friend, someone you trust implicitly, there's 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.720 a real strength and bravery in that. And we were 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:45.320 able to successfully block out all the noise and just 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.920 keep driving what we wanted to do. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:53.520 And it's been a massive evolution. At every step. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.959 We've gone, Okay, what if we do radio, what if 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.200 we do podcasting, what if we start and of event 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.200 for women where we just danced together, and it's just 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:09.240 snowballed just by following our guts and really believing in 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.480 our abilities. So it's a wild ride at this age, 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:14.480 I'll tell you that much. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:19.400 How have you managed to block out the noise and 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:25.600 the negative self talk? And you know, the naysayers because 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:30.400 for so many women, we don't know how to back 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.400 ourselves properly, or we have a lot of self doubt. 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:36.760 What has it been with you two that's enabled you 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.840 to go, you know what, We are going to take 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:43.560 those big, hairy, audacious risks and step into those big roles. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:45.439 Look, I think it's the courage of two. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.559 And I really say that for people who are also 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.679 operating as solo women in their business, it's you need 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.040 to find somebody who is a mentor or someone who you. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:55.400 Can bounce things off. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.480 For me, I've always been incredibly lucky to have Lee's 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.040 and there I say she's been lucky to have me too, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.280 because we do have each other's backs. I mean, I don't, really, 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.920 if I'm honest, have that negative naysaying mentality about anything 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.079 that Lee's and I have ever done. I feel very 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:15.960 confident in our abilities because they're always based on following 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:20.199 our gut instincts, and we have lived by that rule 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.240 for the last twelve years that we've been in business. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:23.160 Three second rule. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:28.320 Ask yourself a question, your immediate gut reaction in three seconds, yes. 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:29.760 Or no, and follow that. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:34.480 So I don't really buy in to the negativity or 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.360 the naysayers, because I mean, I feel like that's just 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:38.880 trying to take you down a peg or two, and 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.679 you've got to try things. I think we've always had 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.320 that mentality that what's the worst thing that can happen? 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.839 You try something and you end up back where you are. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:50.480 Well, if where you are, where your starting point is, 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:51.719 isn't too bad, then what. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.160 Have you got to lose? And if it does fail, 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.720 then it's a bloody good story to tell. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.160 I mean, I'm thinking about your disco because that was 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.400 my first thought when I walked into this sold out 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.720 Harden pavilion and I saw thousands of women. And let's 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:09.800 face it, you also made it hard for yourself because 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.360 you have the market. If men aren't invited, you've got 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:16.520 a smaller market to sell tickets too. But my thought was, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.120 where did this idea come from? And how did it originate? 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.120 So do you want to tell us what the story 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:23.640 is for the disco? Yeah? 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.760 Sure, And I mean I would say that we actually 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.280 not inviting men was the reason disco club was successful 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.319 because we are looking at an area that didn't currently exist, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.800 and we do always say disco club is absolutely not 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:37.520 anti men. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.440 We have wonderful men in our lives. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.839 What it is is pro giving women and people who 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.240 identify as women a space to just be themselves. Men 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.760 can go out and dance with women in nightclubs around 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.079 the country and they can do that anytime anywhere. Have 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:55.200 been able to do that for years, but disco club 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.400 hasn't existed, and that's why it's been popular, And. 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.400 It came from a very honest place. 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.520 Les and I in our early forties were simply missing 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.439 nights out dancing with our girlfriends, and in fact, we'd 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.760 never really had that right, Like, if you cast your 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.280 mind back to when we were in our twenties and 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:16.439 late teens going out nightclubbing, that was a very different experience. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:17.800 And even though you might. 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.440 Have been with your girlfriends, you were often clubbing for 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:24.440 different reasons as well. It's just going out to let 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.440 your hair down and dance and sing to all the 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:32.439 songs that you know. That really started to wane in 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.040 our life, you know, the wedding dance floors had dried up, 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:38.760 we'd gone through the fortieth We didn't want to wait 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.560 for other big birthday milestones just to be able to 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.440 have a dance. So Lee's and I again with sort 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.439 of saying about following our gut instincts. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.520 We figured, if we're feeling this way. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.679 I think we were forty two at the time, then 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.320 there's going to be a whole lot of other women 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.439 who are feeling that way too, who want to go out, 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:56.679 who but want to do it differently. They want an 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.319 early start time and early finish time. They're not interested 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:04.280 in flirting or hooking up, so we don't need blokes there. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:06.520 For the heterosexual gals. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.640 We want music that we know the words too, and 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.920 we want to be comfortable and have good flowing bar 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.920 lines and clean toilets. And we just had all these 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.679 kind of ideas floating around and so we thought, right, well, 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:22.480 nobody else is doing it, let's give it a birl. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:24.480 And we hired a function room. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:29.040 In a bowls club in Brisbane and it was so 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:32.520 beautifully cringe when we look back on it, it was 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:33.920 so wonderful. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.040 Just eighty women showed up and there was a baby. 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:39.760 They put the baby in the middle of the dance 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.200 floor and we were dancing around it. There were handbags, 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.280 there was just this kind of reckless abandon in jeans 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.960 and T shirts and a wonky Spotify playlist on a 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.600 skipping bluetooth speaker. 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:52.839 But we knew then. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.840 We were like, yeah, we were not alone in feeling 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:56.280 this way. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.640 And then disco club just kept steamrolling. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:13:58.800 You know. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.000 The first year it was just in bowls clubs and 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:04.679 RSL clubs in Brisbane. The next year it was nightclubs, 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.200 and then women around the country saying hey, we want 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.320 this too, And then that was the big leap, that 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:13.520 was our most nervous leap was to go to Sydney 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.520 and take it out of Queensland. And we've never looked back. 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.679 It's been a hell of a learning curve going from 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:23.480 a bowls club to partnering with Mushroom Group in three years. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.400 But I mean, we think we've been old and we've 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.000 been excited along the way too. Everything about it has 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:44.120 excited us. 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.120 Why is it so hard to get real answers about 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:51.480 your health? If you've been told that everything looks fine, 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:54.600 but you know that something is off, we're not imagining it. 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.960 That's why I created Vitality three point sixty to help 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.000 you better understand what's going on in side your body 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.960 so that you can take the targeted action needed with 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.560 a functional health approach, plus testing. We go beyond the 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:11.400 guesswork to uncover the root causes of your symptoms. I've 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.640 teamed up with Dottyasmina, an incredible integrative GP, and together 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.800 we will help you decode your body's signals and answer 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.920 questions like why am I always exhausted? What's really causing 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.040 my stubborn weight? Am I inflamed? Insulin resistant? Or maybe 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.480 missing key nutrients? Because when you understand your body better, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.840 you can transform your health. Visit V three sixty dot 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:45.200 health or check out the show notes for more. How 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.960 does it feel to be doing something? And I'm not 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.880 just talking about disco club, but I'm talking about your podcast, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.200 your books, everything that you do. How does it feel 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:58.200 to have shaped your career in a way that is 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:03.960 so aligned with your values and also just authentically who 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:05.120 you are as people? 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:09.800 I think really early on in our time together as 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:14.040 business partners, we set a business intention. It wasn't an 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.920 idea that occurred to us to set an intention. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:19.480 We were actually. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.440 Given that advice by one of our mentors, and we 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.120 were like, oh, what's all this woo woo stuff about? 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:29.080 But very rapidly it came to us, very very clearly 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.960 and to this day. We still use it to anchor 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.480 pretty much everything we do. So in a nutshell, it's 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:41.720 to earn a living by being ourselves and connecting people 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.680 through laughter something like that, right, Sarah, It's something along 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:46.400 those lines. 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:47.680 Yeah, that's it. 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.120 To earn a living connecting people through laughter while being ourselves. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:52.800 Yeah, I love that. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:53.720 Love. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:57.600 The really important part of that is the by being 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.320 ourselves component for us. If we can't do that twenty 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.560 four hours a day, that's not a life well lived. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.880 Like that was a really important signpost in how we 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:14.920 wanted to move forward, not just in business but also 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.080 in personal life, because the two really bleed into one another. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.600 In the early years of our business and probably only 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:27.880 till about last year, we have been flogging ourselves. I mean, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:32.720 if anyone is listening to this thinking they've had it easy, 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.359 it's an overnight success. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.119 They've got it cruizy. They just work whenever they want. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.480 No, we have been categorically flogging ourselves for the better 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.320 part of a decade. There's been a lot of highs, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.359 a lot of lows, but throughout it all, if on 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:54.920 top of the workload, we had to fake being who 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.600 we are publicly, whether it's on our podcast the topics 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.359 we talk about, whether it's on staf Age at disco club, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:06.000 whether it's doing media, or if we can't be ourselves, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.560 we would just perish. We just would not be able 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.679 to maintain the integrity and the energy. So I think 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.800 for us, one of the main threads of the work 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:18.920 we do is is this who. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:19.840 We are as people. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.840 I mean, of course, you've got days when you're firing 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.680 on all cylinders and you're ready to take on the world. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.280 And there's other times in life, and you know, we 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:32.600 are traversing times where our parents are aging, and there 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.200 are times where one of us, both of us, may 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:40.160 be pulled to other more personal parts of life. But 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.600 my god, if we if we had to pretend to 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.119 be these characters when we're on the mic or on 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:47.480 the stage, we'd be screwed. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.520 We wouldn't we wouldn't be able to do it. 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:54.879 So the authenticity piece is one hundred percent part of 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:58.280 our success. And I say that in inverted commas, because 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.520 who are we to say what makes a successful life 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.280 or any of us right? It's whatever feels right and personal. 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:09.840 Yeah, it's interesting you raise such an important point about 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.040 being authentically yourself. But something that I see a lot 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:18.920 of women in midlife struggling with is losing their energy 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:24.240 to step out and to be their authentic selves. Whether 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.760 it's perimenopause, whether it's just the weight of the invisible 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:33.360 load of life. I would love to know your winning 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:38.080 formulas for how you have been able to continue to 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.560 show up authentically with their energy that is needed to 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.800 do the work that you guys do so publicly. What 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.919 are you winning formulas? Are you guys like you know 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.159 very much into My body is my temple, and I 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.040 look after my body so well. I'd love to know 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:58.480 what you do to keep that energy so high and 0:19:58.520 --> 0:19:59.600 thriving so well. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.840 Personally, I think that the times when we're not feeling 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:08.200 ourselves happens more at home, more at home in family life. 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.919 And for me, that was going to a doctor and saying, 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.760 I think I'm in perimenopause. 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.200 I'm not feeling great. My sleep is shot. 0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:20.440 And if I know one thing with the wisdom of age, 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:23.320 it's that sleep is everything. And why it took me 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.800 so long to remember that because Lees and I did 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:30.200 a national early breakfast radio show for four or five 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:33.320 years with Southern crossover stereo and we were getting up 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:35.119 at you know, two or three o'clock in the morning 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.280 because it was a live shot from five to six am. 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.440 And I really struggled at the end of that term 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.120 because of sleep deprivation. And I knew as soon as 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:49.879 I my sleep started going wonky, going haywire around forty four, 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.040 that was my kind of. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:53.320 Tip to go to the doctor. 0:20:53.440 --> 0:20:56.040 So I would say for me, like being on some 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.679 estrogen and progesterone support is what helps me personally. 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.040 You really notice a difference when you went on the HRT. 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:04.520 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.720 I mean if I don't sleep, I am an absolute cow. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:13.119 I'm snappy, I'm sure I have no motivation, my energy 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:17.360 is low, and relationships around me suffer. So I think 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.920 it's kind of being aware that you know, you might 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.440 have to look a little bit deeper into yourself, And 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.680 for me, I think that's what's helped me. I mean, 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:29.359 I don't think you know the word authentically and authenticity, 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:31.600 I mean it's used a lot these days. I honestly 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:33.840 can't think of a time when Lee's and I haven't 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.680 just been ourselves in whatever we're doing. Like, even if 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.680 I'm sleep deprived, I'm still myself just sleep deprived. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:44.119 Like, I don't think I'm faking anything, would you agree? 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:45.320 Lees totally. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:49.480 I think we've both hidden age, and obviously we're two individuals, 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:54.720 so we're going through things differently and on a different timeline. 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:56.760 But I think for the most part, what I would 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.959 say is in our mid four what is approaching our 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:06.440 late later forties, there's a real weeding of the garden 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.680 that started to happen, and I think that does contribute 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:18.040 to being the healthiest. And I say that, you know, emotionally, spiritually, physically, 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.879 if you can weed the garden and start getting a 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:26.280 little bit introspective about what is this life? 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.120 What am I doing here? What are my relationships? 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:32.480 Like, I mean, I've personally found in the last six 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.200 to nine months, I've. 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.280 Had a real wake up call around. 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:40.480 Behaviors that I've had for years and years and years 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:44.359 and years that I've never really interrogated until now. I 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.080 don't know where it's come from. I think it is 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:50.000