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Speaker 1: Plans have been released for Hut Street and the Adelaide

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Speaker 1: City Council councilors have sent them back for a redo

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Speaker 1: because they're not happy with the loss of car parks.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think the traders would be either. A

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Speaker 1: bike lane would go in Hut Street, just next to

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Speaker 1: the footpath, just like Frame Street essentially, it's how it

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Speaker 1: would look. Maybe a tad narrower, I'm not sure, but

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Speaker 1: next to the bike lane would be parallel car parking,

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Speaker 1: not the angled car parking that's in the street at

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Speaker 1: the moment, which means far fewer car parks. And if

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Speaker 1: you talk to any of the traders, any of the

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Speaker 1: people looking to get a park in Hut Street, there's

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Speaker 1: not enough parks now as it is, let alone, harving

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Speaker 1: them essentially. Councilor Henry Davis from the Adelaide City Council

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Speaker 1: on the lane, Henry Goodmning, good morning. I'm glad this

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Speaker 1: has gone back. Even the Lord Mayor, who has aspirations

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Speaker 1: of cutting lanes on West Terrace agrees this is not good.

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Speaker 2: Oh and the Lord Mayor has started tosagreeing with me.

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Speaker 2: You know something's really wrong. I'm sitting on Hut Street

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Speaker 2: right now, And I've just been walking around some of

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Speaker 2: the cafes now I can tell you that are about

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Speaker 2: twenty percent occupancy, you know, for people having coffees in

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Speaker 2: their morning breakfast. But the car parks are eighty percent full.

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Speaker 2: So they're looking to cut down half of the car parks.

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Speaker 2: I suggest this street is just going to die, and

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Speaker 2: it's a complete chambolick solution. And their proposal is that

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Speaker 2: bikes are going to now inundate the street. Now, I

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Speaker 2: just don't think that that's ever going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Hot Street has died, I'll tell you honestly, and I

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Speaker 1: walk on it every single day. Since both the Royal

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Speaker 1: Adelaide Hospital moved down the road and the Wakefield Hospital

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Speaker 1: moved down the road. The banks have gone this far

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Speaker 1: fewer people, shops have been closed, some for a long time,

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Speaker 1: particularly the banks that sat vacant for a long time.

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Speaker 1: They're all being used now. I think we're almost all.

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Speaker 1: But you know, this streets transformed far fewer people than

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Speaker 1: used to be there going back ten or so years ago.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and this council is only making things worse. So

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Speaker 2: they've actually kind of a million dollars worth of city

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Speaker 2: activation funding in the small community impact grounds and all

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Speaker 2: so commercial partnerships. So I've been really really concerned about

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Speaker 2: this when we've got following COVID, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: are staying at home. We've got massive vacancy rates here,

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Speaker 2: just on on Hart Street, about twenty percent of the

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Speaker 2: shops here are completely vacant, and so that meets it,

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Speaker 2: you know, and still with car parks are full. So

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Speaker 2: this idea that we're going to cut car parks even

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Speaker 2: further is just atrocious. But one thing I really want

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Speaker 2: to make the point of is we're going out to consultation,

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Speaker 2: presumably on this new proposed plan. Now we're going to

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Speaker 2: spend ten million dollars on this new proposed plan. But

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Speaker 2: if you go back a few years so back to

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Speaker 2: the last council when they were doing consultation, they were

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Speaker 2: going to spend forty million dollars on Hart Street. Now,

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Speaker 2: I actually pulled up the two concept plans for the streets, right,

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Speaker 2: one of the plans forty million dollars and one for

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Speaker 2: the plan of ten million dollars. I looked at both

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Speaker 2: of them, and you know what, I would lose its

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Speaker 2: spot the difference. They are the exact same plan right,

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Speaker 2: how Yeah, And the plans, the concept plans are getting

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Speaker 2: told to the residents here are exactly the now. When

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Speaker 2: I made this point a year ago, saying, hey, we

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Speaker 2: should not be cutting thirty million dollars out of Hut

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Speaker 2: Street because this is going to be a full revamp

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Speaker 2: for the area, they told me I was misleading the

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Speaker 2: Chamber and I was lying, and I wasn't being accurate

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Speaker 2: and that was never going to happen, which is just

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Speaker 2: not true. And now they've cut thirty million dollars of

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Speaker 2: the plan and going to deliver the same thing. Now.

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Speaker 2: When I asked this last night on Tuesday night, I

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Speaker 2: should say, when I asked on Tuesday night, what is

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Speaker 2: the difference between the plan that we previously consulted on

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Speaker 2: and the new one they've got. They didn't know they'd

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Speaker 2: take it on notice. And I have no idea what

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Speaker 2: the difference is and where the cuts of thirty million

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Speaker 2: dollars have come from. But I think the Hut Street

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Speaker 2: traders have been sold the putt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you'll look into that, no doubt. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like you will.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if I don't kick me out of

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Speaker 2: the Chamber. So I'm not allowed to ask these questions.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you realize how bad it is last night?

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Speaker 2: You why, Well, I think it's just bad politically if people,

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Speaker 2: you know, were to be told that thirty million dollars

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Speaker 2: is going to be cut out of this budget. So

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Speaker 2: how dare Counselor Davis and up to JANL. Mac Smith

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Speaker 2: and say, hold on a second, I'm pretty sure that

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Speaker 2: there's some incongruities here. No, no, no, you can't do that,

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Speaker 2: Council of Davis. You're lying, you know, you're misleading everyone,

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Speaker 2: You're misogynist, do all these things? How dare you? So

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Speaker 2: I'm I am on the significant pressure in Adelaide City

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Speaker 2: Council and I cannot get answers to my question.

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Speaker 1: Well, so you're asking why the thirty million dollar cuts,

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Speaker 1: same plan? Where do they go with this? Now they're

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Speaker 1: going to redo the plan, presumably and find a way

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Speaker 1: because under this, with the bi plane an extended area

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Speaker 1: coming out from the footpath for more trees and seating

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Speaker 1: for tables I can see and everything else parking in

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Speaker 1: one lane, then that just leaves one lane for traffic.

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Speaker 1: So the speed limit, the plan is to bring that

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Speaker 1: down to around forty thirty forty k's an hour along

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Speaker 1: Hut Street. You know, back in the eighties, before the

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Speaker 1: Median strip went in in the middle, Hut Street was

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Speaker 1: three lanes, and we're cutting it down to one.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, well, and yeah, absolutely, it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to restrict track. We're going to be

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Speaker 2: less people are going to come along to Hut Street.

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Speaker 2: And now the administration are telling us they've got these

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Speaker 2: scientific reports apparently that they're going to tell us that

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Speaker 2: we're going to be inundated by cyclist. But I just

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Speaker 2: don't believe that for a second. I mean, I'm standing here,

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Speaker 2: it's the middle of winter, it's not a nice day

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Speaker 2: to go for a bike ride, and it's nine fifteen

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Speaker 2: in the morning, and the cafes are empty, and I

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Speaker 2: do not see that it's going to be filled with

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Speaker 2: all these cyclists. I mean, on my way to work,

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Speaker 2: I pull into the angled parking real quick. I grab

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Speaker 2: a coffee and I grab a croissant, because you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not that great at making my own breakfast, so

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Speaker 2: I spend it on Hut Street every single morning, basically.

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Speaker 2: And if we take away that angled parking, if we

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Speaker 2: have the car parks. I won't be able to do

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Speaker 2: that anymore, you know, I might I just have to

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Speaker 2: make myself breakfast. And that's the kind of economy that

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Speaker 2: we're cutting into.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've done that in Rundle Street. I mean

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Speaker 1: there was a time and I would drive through the

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Speaker 1: for a coffee. And I will do that so regularly.

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Speaker 1: But these days you drive along Rundle Street, there's barely

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Speaker 1: a car park. They're loading zones of the few car

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Speaker 1: they're generally full. You can't stop anywhere for ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: so I don't bother doing that anymore. And that loss

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Speaker 2: And it's really about that anxiety, right, So as you're planning,

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Speaker 2: you're driving into the city and you go where am

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Speaker 2: I going to park? And you have this anxiety and

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Speaker 2: you stick a licause you know, you know, we want

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Speaker 2: to encourage people to come into the city. Well, we're

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Speaker 2: now planning to raise our whole bunch more revenue. We

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Speaker 2: just hired a whole bunch of parking control inspectors, so

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Speaker 2: we're going to make it life even harder. But the

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Speaker 2: biggest problem is the information they're feeding The council is saying,

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Speaker 2: oh no, but don't worry, council, there's a thousand car

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Speaker 2: parks within a five minute walk. Well, on my way

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Speaker 2: to work, I am not going to park five minutes

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Speaker 2: away now, I get a coffee and then walk back

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Speaker 2: to my car. So there's just this la la land.

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Speaker 2: I think of how cycling is just going to this.

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Speaker 2: Cycling is great, but not going to replace this economy,

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Speaker 2: and no five minute walks for medi grab a coffee

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Speaker 2: is unfeasible. It's not going to happen all.

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Speaker 1: Right now, while I've got you just quickly. The state

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Speaker 1: government has taken control of the former bus station in

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Speaker 1: Franklin Street, but they've called for plans to redo it

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Speaker 1: is in the city area, of course, what would you

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Speaker 1: like to see happen there?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, there was a few A lot

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Speaker 2: of the problem with this is unsubject to confidentiality. So

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Speaker 2: we went out to tender with a number of groups

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Speaker 2: came back with some responses. We then chose Renewal Essay

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Speaker 2: to take over the site. So now they're proposing I

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Speaker 2: think about I think it's about four hundred apartments, thirty

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Speaker 2: five affordable living and a hotel. I do have a

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Speaker 2: little bit of concern around the state government really getting

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Speaker 2: involved in the commerciality and the commercial sector and signed

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Speaker 2: to do developments, you know, and what their arrangements are

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Speaker 2: with the workforce, particularly in current circumstances. But look at

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Speaker 2: the Renewal, let's say, is taking on a really really

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Speaker 2: big project here. If they can actually deliver it, I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure if they've ever built anything this big. But

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Speaker 2: you know, this affordable housing idea is great, but I'm

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Speaker 2: really worried that they're going to be turned into shoe boxes.

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Speaker 2: They're going to be tying into the apartments. And then

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Speaker 2: the other thing is do we really need to be

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Speaker 2: stacking out the city with affordable housing or should we

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Speaker 2: be building that in the suburbs around Adelaide. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot going on here and unfortunately the City of Adelaide

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Speaker 2: Council is really out of the discussion.

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Speaker 1: Now, all right, and just what I've got you the

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Speaker 1: difference in debt for hat street or cost. I should

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Speaker 1: say that affects deb doesn't it in the city council budget?

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Speaker 1: How does that look long term?

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Speaker 2: The debt levels, we are in so much trouble. And

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Speaker 2: so from day one when I got into this council,

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Speaker 2: I've got a financial mind. I'm a tax lawyer. I've

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Speaker 2: been looking at financials since you know, since I started

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Speaker 2: in the workforce. And from day one on Adelaide's City

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Speaker 2: Council I could tell we had a problem. But did

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Speaker 2: they let me ask these questions? No, I got kicked

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Speaker 2: out of the chamber. Right, so we are still spent money. Now,

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Speaker 2: let me tell you what the debt looks like. It

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Speaker 2: looks like three hundred and seventy five million dollars in

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Speaker 2: ten years time we which is massive. It's huge. The

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Speaker 2: previous council had budgeted for a zero dollars worth of debt.

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Speaker 2: Now we reach what's called the prudential borrowing limit, which

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Speaker 2: is a control put on us about our spending. It's

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Speaker 2: our credit card limit. We can't spend any more than that.

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Speaker 2: It's around one hundred and fifty million right, and we're

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Speaker 2: planning to go into debt by another two hundred and

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Speaker 2: twenty five million dollars on top of that. Now, what

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Speaker 2: that means for Adelaide City residents is all of these

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Speaker 2: good plans around main street upgrades and all this kind

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Speaker 2: of stuff, I really question whether they're going to be

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Speaker 2: delivered at all. And it's time for some honesty around

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Speaker 2: here and not trying to kick me out of the

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Speaker 2: chamber for daring to raise these points. Like there was

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Speaker 2: a motion to kick me out of the chamber when

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Speaker 2: I suggested that increased borrowings were going to require a

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Speaker 2: rate increase, and that was labeled as misinformation and disinformation

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Speaker 2: and all this bluster, and they move this more to

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Speaker 2: kick me out, are you, Joe King?

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Speaker 1: Well, how else do you pay for it if you

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Speaker 1: don't increase rates?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's two ways, right, We've got to cut spending, right,

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Speaker 2: We've got to cut spending. Oh, we've got to make money, yea,

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Speaker 2: all right, and the amount of money, and I've just

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Speaker 2: got answers. I had to put questions on notice, and

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Speaker 2: I still got berated for asking this question. But I've

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Speaker 2: found out that it's going to cost a twenty seven

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Speaker 2: point three rate increase this year to pay for that debt. Right,

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Speaker 2: so we've got twenty percent vacancy rates on Hot Street

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Speaker 2: and this council hasn't told anyone how much their main

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Speaker 2: street upgrades are actually going to cost. And I reckon

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Speaker 2: it's twenty seven point three percent just to maintain our

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Speaker 2: current existing assets for the new capital spends for Heart

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Speaker 2: Street and also for the bridge and the wir Right now,

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Speaker 2: the council need to spend one hundred million dollars in

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Speaker 2: the bridge in the war. This is by the rest. Yeah, yep,

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Speaker 2: So we've got to renew these projects. We've been asking

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Speaker 2: Tom quinsontonas he said no, we're not going to pay

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Speaker 2: for it, so we said the same in federal government,

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Speaker 2: Hey can you chip in? Well yesterday Tom said no.

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Speaker 2: So now City of Adelaide residents are looking at a

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Speaker 2: ten percent rate increase to pay for that. If we

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll see where that goes. Henry, thank you

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Thank you, Henry Davis, counselor

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Speaker 1: on the Adelaide City Council. Hot Street the issue particularly,

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Speaker 1: but lots of others as well, as you heard. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk to one of the traders. Hush, Meta, it runs

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Speaker 1: co Philosophy's been there for ten years. I reckon now.

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Speaker 1: Tried my first cold drip coffee there and it was

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Speaker 1: pretty damn good. Haush, good morning, Good morning, mess How

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Speaker 1: are you all right? Thank you? You would have seen these plans,

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Speaker 1: and thanks for hanging on the phone there. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you've got customers waiting, but you would have seen these plans.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of them in terms of your business?

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Speaker 3: Now? We saw so, we saw these plans back in

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Speaker 3: twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: So same plans, different councils, same plans.

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Speaker 3: Different councils, same plan, different council policies back in the day.

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Speaker 3: We just want to touch on the small thing over there.

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Speaker 3: When you know this plans had all these extended outdoor

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Speaker 3: We had we had a great occupancy rate with tough

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Speaker 3: cafes and restaurants on this street. Second Lee. Now, with

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Speaker 3: will have to inker on paying those outdoor dining, which

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Speaker 3: was not that in the previous council, how many people

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Speaker 3: will actually take off that extra space to have people

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just going to be an extra, extra, overloaded

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Speaker 1: So you pay for the space, whether you put tables

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if it's under your registered outdoor dining area,

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Speaker 3: you pay for the space, whether you put the tables that.

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Speaker 3: This this the fee structure is so petty that they

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Speaker 3: want the charges for blind If you have blinds, you're

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Speaker 3: paying you have three blinds, you're paying for three blind Goodness,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's insane, like it's you know, times are

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Speaker 1: Council, and the last thing the last thing you'd want

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Speaker 3: Exactly on top of that, yes, and then top of that,

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Speaker 3: you know you just want to I get the plan

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Speaker 1: You call it a boulevard?

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Speaker 3: A boulevard, not a boulevard, I say, but the actual

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Speaker 3: it more you know, elderly friendly, disabled friendly. Then get

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Speaker 3: rid of the for the eastcooters and the bikes from

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Speaker 3: the foot pass. I know, I'm that's not making You're

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Speaker 3: not making life easy for anybody.

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Speaker 1: You're a pedestrian, because I see you walking around regularly,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do through the area. I don't find

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Speaker 3: No, it's not at all unfriendly. Like you know, the

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Speaker 3: they're a bit unsafe. Sometimes there is all there, all

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Speaker 3: And what I found funny about this whole thing is

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Speaker 3: the street traders or the residents. No one was consulted

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's not unusual, is it? Are you you're

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not at all. And then when as people

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Speaker 3: like Henry Davis asked the questions, they get kicked out.

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Speaker 3: Because we want accountability for the money that we're spending

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Speaker 3: in bar council rates feed out, the dining fees, be

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Speaker 3: it all the other fees that we are paying to

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Speaker 3: have a business running. Where is the accountability when when

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Speaker 3: someone asked the questions about how is this money going

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Speaker 3: to be spent, they get kicked out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the upgrade further down the road that's now complete

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Speaker 1: I see a lane has effectively come out there because

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Speaker 1: they've planted or they've put in plant of boxes on

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Speaker 1: is now not available to traffic. So I just one

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Speaker 1: day you say they don't want it to be a thoroughfare.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what else they think it is. Because

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Speaker 3: So can you imagine the pressure that you will put

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Speaker 3: on Pultney Street. Yes, the amount of traffic if it

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Speaker 3: takes the thoroughfare away, it is a thoroughfed that makes

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Speaker 3: all these cafes and restaurants thrive. Yes, because there's parking

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Speaker 3: right outside it.

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Speaker 1: Ash, thank you for your time this morning. Good luck

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Speaker 1: with philosophy. I'll call in and see you on one

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Speaker 1: of my trips pass good on you. Thank you, Ashmeadow

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Speaker 1: from Co Philosophy on Hut Street, just near the corner

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Speaker 1: of Halifax Street. Good coffee there