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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Adelaide City Council, which last night

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Speaker 1: had a meeting in which the proposal, and it's only

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Speaker 1: a proposal at this stage, to introduce thirty kilometer an

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Speaker 1: our speed limit through the city. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it includes all the Adelaide City Council area North Adelaide

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Speaker 1: as well. We'll find out. Henry Davids councilor Adelaide City

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Speaker 1: Council on the line, good morning, good morning, thirty k's

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Speaker 1: an hour seems slow? Heinley Street is that already? Which

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Speaker 1: I suppose when you can get up to speed in

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Speaker 1: Hindley Street, maybe this time of the morning, thirty k

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Speaker 1: is not a bad idea given it's narrow and there

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Speaker 1: are people, but the rest of the city King William Street,

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Speaker 1: Grenfell Street, I don't know would it work?

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, Madness, I don't even know why we

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Speaker 2: were sitting in council meeting for about an hour and

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Speaker 2: a half considering this as a viable option. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we already have people, you know, we struggle to get

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Speaker 2: people into the city. We have massive commercial vacancy rates,

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Speaker 2: huge congestion that we've just come out of Adelaide five

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Speaker 2: hundred and now a lot of councilors are entertaining an

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Speaker 2: idea of a city wide thirty kilometer an hour speed limit,

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Speaker 2: all in the name of safety. To my mind, this

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Speaker 2: is absolute madness. You would shut down the city if

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Speaker 2: that was the case.

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Speaker 1: All right, thirty case North Adelaide two.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I believe that's the case. So the proposal is

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Speaker 2: for there was three options. One was thirty kilometers for

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Speaker 2: the entire city. I think there was another one for

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Speaker 2: forty kilometers for the entire city, and then a third

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Speaker 2: option of a mixed kind of reduced speed limit in

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Speaker 2: some areas but not others. But a good number of

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Speaker 2: councils are actually entertaining this idea of a thirty klumbus

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Speaker 2: speed limit for the entire city. It's absolute madness and

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Speaker 2: it should have been rejected immediately.

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Speaker 1: I imagine a lower speed would take longer to get through,

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Speaker 1: which builds up. Probably the thing the Adelaide City Council

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Speaker 1: hates the most emissions.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, but the actual intention behind this is

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Speaker 2: to really stop cast coming into the city, to force

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Speaker 2: people to ride in. So this is idea particularly by

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Speaker 2: pro bike people, which is great where they want to

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Speaker 2: encourage people to ride bikes, but they want to do

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Speaker 2: that by banning cars and making it nearly impossible for

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Speaker 2: people to park and people to come into the city.

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Speaker 2: And we saw the same thing with Hut Street. So

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Speaker 2: there's this narrative of saying that we want to build

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Speaker 2: a city to fifty thousand people. We want all this investment,

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Speaker 2: we want all these people to come in, but we

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Speaker 2: just don't want you to drive. It's absolute madness and

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Speaker 2: it's going to hit traders. It's going to increase commercial

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Speaker 2: vacancy rates and these types of messages. If the City

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Speaker 2: of Adelaide isn't clear about its priorities, it's going to

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Speaker 2: stop investment. Because if you're a large company and you're

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Speaker 2: looking at where you're going to base your headquarters or

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Speaker 2: where you're going to take commercial space, you're going to

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Speaker 2: be frightened off by this notion that no one can

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Speaker 2: actually get to your office. So what's the point in

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Speaker 2: investing in it?

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Speaker 1: And look, fifty thousand in the city, whatever that might

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Speaker 1: mean long term, one thing's for sure. They're not all

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Speaker 1: going to be international students, so there'll be people living

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Speaker 1: there who will have a car too. Because I want

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Speaker 1: to take the day trip to Victor or whatever the

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Speaker 1: they will want to cart and say they've got to

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Speaker 2: Well, exactly right. So there's this very contradictory view. This

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Speaker 2: is the biggest problem is that we've got the city saying,

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Speaker 2: you know, we want more investment, and then on the

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Speaker 2: other side, on the other side of things, the lord

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Speaker 2: mayor's criticizing you know what a building looks like, in

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Speaker 2: criticizing individual development. So we want to build the city,

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Speaker 2: but we don't want you to do anything about it.

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Speaker 2: And so they're trying to cater to these two different

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Speaker 2: opposing sides, which is, you know, this extreme kind of

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Speaker 2: less nobody should own a car and everybody should walk

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Speaker 2: and ride their bikes everywhere. And on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: they want more investment development in the city. Well, I

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Speaker 2: think both groups are just going to be angry by

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Speaker 2: these types of proposals, and there's no clear strategy as

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Speaker 2: far as I can see, on how to actually achieve

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Speaker 2: this goal. So I don't think it'll ever happen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, parking in the city hat Street are the changes

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Speaker 1: proposed there?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So now this was actually really concerning, and basically

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Speaker 2: there was an original concept proposal which was going to

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Speaker 2: remove a lot of car parks. How many we didn't

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Speaker 2: actually get the number last night, but it's at least sixty,

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Speaker 2: and probably more so going down from in a certain section,

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Speaker 2: and thirty down to seventy. So we considered five different options,

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Speaker 2: and there was different options about how that parking works.

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Speaker 2: Now I've heard very loud and clear from the traders

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Speaker 2: that they need those car parks to survive. I drive

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Speaker 2: in from the hills, and some people in the city

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Speaker 2: just walk, so some other councilors don't have the same

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Speaker 2: perspective as I do. So I drive in. I usually

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Speaker 2: park on Hart Street, grab a coffee and a Croissan

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Speaker 2: usual routine. If there's no cars there, if there's no

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Speaker 2: car parks there, no one will do that and those

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Speaker 2: businesses will really suffer. And there's been a real push

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Speaker 2: now from the traders that say, hold on, these car

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Speaker 2: parks are essential to our business and what is the

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Speaker 2: actual plan? So what I was really concerned about mostly

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Speaker 2: is that there was five different options with different angled

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Speaker 2: car parking because there's issues around safety with angled car parking.

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Speaker 2: That's true, but there was a rhetoric from the Lord

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Speaker 2: Mayor saying, well, hold on, if we don't get a

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Speaker 2: substantial change, if we don't go with your original concept,

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Speaker 2: why don't we just can the whole project? Now None

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Speaker 2: of the other councilors are on board with that, but

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty big threat to say, do as I say,

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Speaker 2: or we're going to cut your funding. And I really

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Speaker 2: didn't appreciate that kind of view from the Lord Mayor.

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Speaker 2: We need to consult with our traders and just because

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Speaker 2: they have a different view to say, hey, car parks

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Speaker 2: are essential for my business, doesn't mean we can a

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Speaker 2: fifteen million dollar project.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Henry Davis, appreciate your time, Thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. The Lord Mayor is on the line. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Johann Lomac Smith, good morning, good mine. Good. Likewise, so

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Speaker 1: thirty k's through the city. This really isn't viable, is it?

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Speaker 1: How could this be a good idea?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think we shouldn't get our niggas in a twist

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Speaker 3: at this stage because this is a long standing discussion.

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Speaker 3: I understand the last council requested that the speed limits

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Speaker 3: be investigated and we had a workshop, so there were

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Speaker 3: no decisions made, and for all of us, it was

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Speaker 3: the first time we'd actually thought about the patchwork across

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Speaker 3: the city. And I hadn't really considered it seriously because

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Speaker 3: when I drive, I drive often on the same routes

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Speaker 3: sometimes up to North Terrace, but I don't really notice

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Speaker 3: forty k an hour and I don't speed up to seventy.

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Speaker 3: But the reality is that we do have a patchwork

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Speaker 3: across the city, and there's a nuance about speed limits.

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Speaker 3: On one side, it's the risk and the safety, And

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Speaker 3: if you go to the road accident and research people,

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Speaker 3: they tell you if you're hit as a pedestrian at

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Speaker 3: fifty k you've got a ninety percent chance of dying,

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Speaker 3: whereas if you're hit at thirty K you've got a

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Speaker 3: ten percent risk of dying. So that's the data, they're

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Speaker 3: the stats, and that's on one side of the argument.

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Speaker 3: The other side of the argument is people's convenience and

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Speaker 3: how easy it is to get around, and a lot

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Speaker 3: that we can get more data about traffic routes, and

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Speaker 3: there's always a balance. I know that it's much safer

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Speaker 3: the risk advance the advantage in reducing risk is quite small.

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Speaker 3: So we have to actually have a balance, and we

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Speaker 3: haven't got to that stage yet. We were just looking

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Speaker 3: long way to go before and make a decision. I

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Speaker 3: initially thought that it would be good to have a

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Speaker 3: do need faster routes around the ring parts and the

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Speaker 3: outer roots and the through traffic. There's an argument that

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Speaker 3: if we lower the speeds and the CBD, it will

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Speaker 3: stop people driving through the city. Well, you know that's

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Speaker 3: why you have bypasses. It's not a bad idea to

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Speaker 3: reduce the absolute three through traffic. We don't need the

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Speaker 3: want them to stop having through traffic just congests the roads.

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Speaker 3: And every big city I've been to in the world

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Speaker 3: wants to discourage through traffic by having a ring route

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Speaker 3: for a bypass. And that's not a bad idea. But

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Speaker 3: we've got a long way to go before we've nutted

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Speaker 3: out where the nuance, where the compromise will be, so

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't get excited yet, but it's a good idea

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Speaker 3: to go towards a safer city, a more pedestrian cycle

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Speaker 3: friendly city. And it's a good, good point of discussion.

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Speaker 1: All right, And that's what we're doing. And look, it

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Speaker 1: makes sense to me to have some not to have

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Speaker 1: a uniform speed. You'd have fifty k's for instance, down

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Speaker 1: King William Street because it's a wide street and when

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Speaker 1: it's quiet a weekend, weekday, even at this time the day,

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Speaker 1: reasonably quiet, clearly at peak hour, you can't do fifty anyway,

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Speaker 1: So that's fine. Heinley Street at thirty I think makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It's a narrow street, there are people around, especially at

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Speaker 1: the eastern end, and thirty ks well given the nature

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Speaker 1: of the street parking on either side all of that

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Speaker 1: people popping out makes perfect sense, But why would you

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Speaker 1: do that across You shouldn't do that, Agros.

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Speaker 3: I've come to your view. I mean I started looking

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Speaker 3: at the data thinking, oh god, it's too difficult to

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Speaker 3: have different rules across a small city. But I've come

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Speaker 3: to the conclusion that you've reached that maybe we do

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Speaker 3: have some faster routes through the city. It does make sense.

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Speaker 3: But having said that, we've got a long way to

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Speaker 3: go yet, and we've got to work out which of

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Speaker 3: those roads might be, whether it's a thirty or forty

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Speaker 3: degree forty k limit. I think we've it's going to

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Speaker 3: take a lot of argie bargie and discussion, and this

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Speaker 3: is just the first cup, the first view, and I

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Speaker 3: think for many members council the haven't understood the physics

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Speaker 3: and the basic safety risk issues, and I think for

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Speaker 3: people to come to grips with that, you have to

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Speaker 3: understand that data before you then balance it with a

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Speaker 3: nuance of what's good for business. So it's a difficult argument,

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Speaker 3: and of course everyone's got a view. The last I'm

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Speaker 3: sure that your listeners will have lots of I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sure they will. The last thing you need is anything

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Speaker 1: that discourages people coming from the city, because if people

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Speaker 1: look at thirty across the city and think that is

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Speaker 1: way too hard, not going to bother with that. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it's going to affect creators. And I'm sure counselors are

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Speaker 1: smart enough to understand that well.

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Speaker 3: I think it's nuanced. I think that there are lots

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Speaker 3: without thinking what the impact will be. I think there

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Speaker 3: there's a one way system, it only takes me a

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Speaker 3: couple of drives around the place to work out the

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Speaker 3: best way of avoiding it. Human nature is that we

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Speaker 3: do find ways to accommodate change. And I got pretty

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Speaker 3: aggravated when the council put in all those little islands

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Speaker 3: it more difficult even to turn left, and I thought

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Speaker 3: this was pretty dopey. But eventually you find a way

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Speaker 3: of driving around to accommodate it. I think people can

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Speaker 3: get to landing. I don't think anything's going to happen quickly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hot street and parking along there shouldn't trade as

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and that's again why we've had the lgibargie about

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Speaker 3: that's why the consultation is going to be quite problematical.

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Speaker 3: I think asking people if you like to even vote

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Speaker 3: on five choices is probably too many because it's difficult

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Speaker 3: to tease out the type of angles where the bike

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Speaker 3: clear preference for something to happen, we shouldn't waste money

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Speaker 3: on a project that nobody wants. And it looks to

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Speaker 3: me as if we're moving towards improving the footpath, improving

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Speaker 3: can't decide on what people want. That doesn't bother me,

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Speaker 3: but one of my only prejudice, and I do have

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Speaker 3: a prejudice because I do drive to put Street and

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Speaker 3: I do park in Hut Street. My prejudice is I

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Speaker 3: hate reversing back over a cycle path. It actually makes

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Speaker 3: me really anxious. And unfortunately only one of those plans

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Speaker 3: that's another factor. It's not just the parking, it's where

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Speaker 3: if we're going to have a bike path we put it.

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Speaker 3: And the five options, apparently after the committee are going

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Speaker 3: to be presented to Counsel and then council will decide

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Speaker 3: which ones go out to the public. But I think

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Speaker 3: that we have to be careful. It's pretty I mean,

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Speaker 3: we could see the heated arguments around the five projects

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Speaker 3: that were put forward. There were another five. I think

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Speaker 3: the work put forward pen Overall, designing a road is

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Speaker 3: a bit like designing a camel. Doing it at a

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Speaker 3: committee is pretty hard. We do have to eventually take

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Speaker 3: the advice of experts and I think that's where we

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Speaker 3: will get to. But we want to canvas opinion because

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Speaker 3: I shop and I go to cafes and bars in

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Speaker 3: Hunt Street, and I know that the traders don't want

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Speaker 3: to lose parking. I get that. But if you don't

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Speaker 3: want to lose parking, you don't want to change anything.

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Speaker 3: You don't want to reduce the number of lanes, you

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Speaker 3: don't want a bike path. That's beginning to sound like

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Speaker 3: Levia though as it is, and I think we have

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Speaker 3: to recognize that.

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Speaker 1: All right, maybe that's because it works, despite despite your.

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Speaker 3: An argument for that, there's definitely an argument for that.

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Speaker 3: And let's face it, Hot Street looks pretty nice, though street.

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Speaker 1: It's good, absolutely all right. Well, thankfully we'll never ask

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Speaker 1: the Adelaide City Council to redesign a camel. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Joan Low Macksmith, Lord Mayor of the City of Adelaide,

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Speaker 1: twenty seven to ten on five Double A