WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 16 March

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<v Speaker 1>From the Sky New Center. This is Paul Murray Live,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Jones. Yes, Cliff Richard, No, you can have that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have that, Caleb. Thank you very much to

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<v Speaker 1>every who with the Sunday showdown, Come on into the

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<v Speaker 1>man Cave. What a show I got for you tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to the data, back to the detail. There is

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of polls that are out tonight. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about him before they're evening the newspapers tomorrow. Who's up,

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<v Speaker 1>who's down, Who's closer, who's further away to winning the election,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course will be called after the federal budget

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<v Speaker 1>mail in March twenty fifth. To see that Allen She

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<v Speaker 1>along with the rest of the Labor Party sends Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>deep into the ditch, but they end up getting a

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<v Speaker 1>GST handout paid for by you. And the fastest person

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<v Speaker 1>to run two hundred meters this year is an Ossie

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<v Speaker 1>ingers crossed gold gold goal. First, some wild things around

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<v Speaker 1>that are nothing to do with political news, but instead

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of the weather. Last week the focus

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<v Speaker 1>was Queensland, while the rest of the country is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up. There's been a bushfire on the outskirts

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<v Speaker 1>of Melbourne. He's the latest we have about that today.

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<v Speaker 2>There were significant threats to the house or households and

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<v Speaker 2>the assets in the area. To the best of my

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge at this stage, we have lost one house. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it shed in a cubby house and that's all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, considering the circumstances and the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the fire, very lucky that that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>And Maya was hot in Sydney today. The temperatures were

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the hottest since records have been kept by the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Meteorology. So the best part of what one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and something years, one hundred and fifty years the

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<v Speaker 1>hottest night that Sydney has sweltered through in March, not

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<v Speaker 1>of all time, but it's you know how it works.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the hottest bits of summer are at the height

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<v Speaker 1>of summer. Sometimes the super hot weather is slightly after summer,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, que the usual anyway, what I love

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<v Speaker 1>about a super hot day, same as a super cold day,

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<v Speaker 1>soon as a super wet day or a super windy day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's up to the news to go and find people

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<v Speaker 1>telling us how damn hot it was in Sydney today.

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<v Speaker 3>Spat chair from the yes today and then today it's

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<v Speaker 3>just I had to take the kid somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of the bucket hats have been very popular.

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<v Speaker 4>We've run out of some of the great hats, lots

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<v Speaker 4>of sunscreen, the water bottles are all sold out.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the forecast, the next couple of hours it

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<v Speaker 1>will start to fall off. In fact, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>some twelve degrees cooler by the time you wake up tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>as opposed to what it is right now, as it

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<v Speaker 1>is hovering around thirty in many parts of Sydney. Why

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<v Speaker 1>so warm and why now? Well, I mates it. Sky

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<v Speaker 1>News Weather have the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>The mercury is set to plummet with strong winds, showers,

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<v Speaker 3>alpine snow and thunderstorms today as a strong cold front

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<v Speaker 3>crosses the southeast. However, this is making for a scorcher

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<v Speaker 3>across New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Let's get to the politics though, of the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister and Peter Dutton, as they fight for your

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<v Speaker 1>voters a vote that. Of course, we were expecting we'd

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<v Speaker 1>be at the end of the first big of the

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<v Speaker 1>election campaign, but the extropical cyclone blew all of that away,

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<v Speaker 1>which means we are now having to stead on the

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<v Speaker 1>barrel of a too little, too late federal budget and

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<v Speaker 1>then a May election. Now the Prime Minister thinks that

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<v Speaker 1>he has been able to buy his way to your affections,

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<v Speaker 1>because we all know when it comes to the decisions

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<v Speaker 1>of the past three years, every poll who's shown us

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<v Speaker 1>for more than eighteen months. In fact, since the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the Voice when he turned sixty forty yes into

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<v Speaker 1>sixty forty zero, Australians have not been listening. So the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister is trying to get your attention with your money.

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<v Speaker 5>A seven point two billion dollar announcement today, five million

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<v Speaker 5>dollars ten million dollars, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollar,

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<v Speaker 5>three hundred and fifty million dollar, two billion dollars, thirty

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<v Speaker 5>seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,

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<v Speaker 5>two point four billion dollars, eight point five billion dollar,

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<v Speaker 5>four point eight billion dollar, one billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>See, it's just endless, literally every single day, and we

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<v Speaker 1>are what about halfway through March, not even at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the third month. And that is just the

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<v Speaker 1>daily toll on the billions and billions and billions. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the fact that you sent to Alan is running

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<v Speaker 1>a very unpopular government. She of course was around the

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<v Speaker 1>table when Victoria was spending money like well, even drunken

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<v Speaker 1>sailors would have been embarrassed by how much money was

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<v Speaker 1>going around and in actual fact, so unpopular is you

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<v Speaker 1>cent to Allen that I noticed to be a fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Anthony Albernezi has come in and out of Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 1>slid in and out of Melbourne without even telling the premier.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a littlone stopping over for a lunch or

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<v Speaker 1>doing a selfie by the barbecue like you did with

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<v Speaker 1>the dictator Dan. They are not going to be seen

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<v Speaker 1>apparently arm in arm at the upcoming election. Why because

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria is one of the worst performing states at the

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<v Speaker 1>moment in terms of the primary vote and the latest

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<v Speaker 1>polls in and around this upcoming election now they are

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<v Speaker 1>down eight points since the last election. They were there

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<v Speaker 1>in the very early thirties, they're now down to the

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<v Speaker 1>mid twenties. Victoria the worst states where the most number

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<v Speaker 1>of seats are So this is a problem when not

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<v Speaker 1>even you can crack a quarter of the vote ever

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<v Speaker 1>so slightly to the technical quarter in Queensland, and as

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<v Speaker 1>we saw out of Western Australia, labor's probably doing better

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<v Speaker 1>in Western Australia, South Australia and Tasmania. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening in the northern territory, but we will all

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<v Speaker 1>find out together in just a few weeks time. But

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<v Speaker 1>desperately trying to find a way not to embrace the

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<v Speaker 1>bad Victorian government who has done disgraceful things to its economy,

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<v Speaker 1>blown every version of the credit card and now they

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<v Speaker 1>are onto the payday lender as a way of being

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<v Speaker 1>able to keep the lights on in Victoria. Well, now

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<v Speaker 1>the entire pot of GST money has been rearranged. Money

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<v Speaker 1>will now be going to Victoria. Victoria will actually be

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<v Speaker 1>getting more money, or a greater share of GST the

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<v Speaker 1>tax of ten percent on everything paid, of course, from

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<v Speaker 1>the southern bit of Tasmania, the top of Queensland, everywhere

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<v Speaker 1>in Wa and everywhere else in between. Victoria has emerged

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<v Speaker 1>as the biggest winner of this next year's GST carve out,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, nothing to do with twenty four percent in

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion polls that this was all scientific. Apparently they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get an extra three point seven b four

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in revenue. The Comonwealth Grants Commission made the

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<v Speaker 1>decision on Friday, it shows the Victoria is expected to

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<v Speaker 1>get twenty six point one billion dollars in GST of

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<v Speaker 1>the total ninety five billion dollars that the tax creates.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, that is less money than company tax

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<v Speaker 1>and less money than personal income tax. So just in

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<v Speaker 1>case you think the biggest source of governant revenue is

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<v Speaker 1>the GST, no it's not. It's you going to work,

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<v Speaker 1>so good luck paying tax until Wednesday. The huge increase

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<v Speaker 1>of the state coffers is up from twenty two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half billion in twenty four to twenty five, rolling

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<v Speaker 1>back to eighteen and a bit billion dollars in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three to twenty four. Victoria's got twenty five point seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent of the nation's population, but we'll get twenty seven

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<v Speaker 1>and a half percent of the GST. This means when

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<v Speaker 1>you actually put some numbers together and I'm saving the

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<v Speaker 1>GST announcement because that comes from a different pot of money.

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<v Speaker 1>The total amount of promises to buy your vote from

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<v Speaker 1>a prime minister who is in a world of trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter how many times you hear about the protection

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<v Speaker 1>racket coming from his mates in the media that he

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<v Speaker 1>likes to metaphorically tuck into bed each and every night,

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<v Speaker 1>almost forty four zero b four billion dollars. And as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one of the reasons why the government has

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<v Speaker 1>been able to post surpluses for the past couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years and probably again in a couple of weeks time,

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<v Speaker 1>is because the huge receipts when it comes to mining,

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<v Speaker 1>huge increases when it comes to the taxes on things

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<v Speaker 1>like petrol and cigarettes and alcohol, huge increases in the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of money that is coming in when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to personal income tax. And largely all of this extra

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<v Speaker 1>money has resulted in an extra some hundred and four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred billion dollars coming to the federal government. But as

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<v Speaker 1>they write in the Financial Review, much of it has

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<v Speaker 1>been waste. It's been wasted. Put simply, as Chris Richardson,

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<v Speaker 1>who we hope to talk to between now and the

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<v Speaker 1>budget by the way, he's, of course the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>has a look at the budget. He's able to work

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<v Speaker 1>out what is the on budget money, the off budget money,

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<v Speaker 1>the money they promised to save, and the money that

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<v Speaker 1>they are overspending. They were kissed on the proverbial. Given

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<v Speaker 1>a blank check four hundred billion dollars, what are they

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<v Speaker 1>spending on? Generally, welfare, guaranteed pay rises for public servants,

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<v Speaker 1>three pay rises for politicians. How did your life get

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<v Speaker 1>better result of that four hundred billion dollars. Oh and

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, one of the ways they got that

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred billion dollars is they took fifteen hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>off ten million taxpayers. Remember this, whatever they have promised,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they promised to deliver for ten million workers, fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars worse off after one of their first budgets,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have never got even close to that number. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>more polls. As we are talking tonight about state of

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<v Speaker 1>the race. But let's have a look about state of

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<v Speaker 1>the race, which I'm very excited. You know how I

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<v Speaker 1>get into the detail and the granula. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>great night. This is one for the hard cause. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we reward you with this insight that honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll you'll see this stuff pop up in a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days time somewhere else. Hear it first, learn it

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<v Speaker 1>all together. Of course, the Prime Minister thinks that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if he just keeps pretending that Peter Dutton is Aussie Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>if he can try to change the subject to medicare

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<v Speaker 1>and if he can try to pose that he plays

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<v Speaker 1>any role in a storm, then somehow his numbers will

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<v Speaker 1>bounce back. Well, depending on the pole, there are some

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<v Speaker 1>indications that maybe either they've hit the bottom or they're

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<v Speaker 1>starting to move back to being competitive. In fact, in

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<v Speaker 1>the Royal Morgan pole, now this bounces around like each

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<v Speaker 1>week it shows Lives slightly in front, Labor slightly in front.

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<v Speaker 1>It shows this week that Labor is slightly in front.

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<v Speaker 1>A little better poll is the UGOV poll that shows

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<v Speaker 1>that Labor is now up fifty one forty nine, in

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<v Speaker 1>part because of the personal standing of Anthony Abinezi and

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton, who have essentially now started to eat in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle, rather than one being able to best the other. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have a look at where they have put things. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember that pole that I showed you before. The Resolve

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<v Speaker 1>poll showed that Labour's vote is what five points down.

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<v Speaker 1>According to this, it's only a couple of points down.

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<v Speaker 1>The coalition's vote, well, it's supposed to be almost up

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<v Speaker 1>to forty in this it's just in the high thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>The Greens they end up sitting there at about what

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<v Speaker 1>they've got at about fourteen percent. What's really important, really

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<v Speaker 1>important for the Coalition when you are doing the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>in your head here is have a look at the

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<v Speaker 1>poll enhancement number, that's seven percent. You've got to hope

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<v Speaker 1>that most of those preferences go back to the Libs. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>if they spray anywhere else, it's definitely going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a Labor government. As for the Independence and the Trumpers

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<v Speaker 1>there or the Trumpeter of Patriots, they're at one percent,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning two party pre third fifty one forty nine. Why

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<v Speaker 1>because they say Labor has not slid as far as

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<v Speaker 1>every other pole. They say the Coalation hasn't grown as

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<v Speaker 1>far as every other pole. We will talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>in moments time with Kosamaras, who does his own pole,

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<v Speaker 1>speaks to people in those swing electorates, which one does

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<v Speaker 1>he think is closer to the mark. Also the wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Kroger on how to achieve the result you are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. One thing that the pole also shows

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<v Speaker 1>very clearly, and I've talked about this before the majority

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<v Speaker 1>of Australians do not share the view that I have

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe you have. When it comes to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't have voted for him. That's what the polls

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<v Speaker 1>told us in November of last year in terms of Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>and only about thirty percent are all in on the

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<v Speaker 1>Great Man. So there's going to be a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>politics played between now and the election, and particularly this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of Aussie Trump stuff in and around Dunden. But

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<v Speaker 1>on the question of Vladimir Zelenski and Ukraine, which way

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<v Speaker 1>do people go? Do people want to back in the

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<v Speaker 1>Zelenski version, which is fight, fight, fight, or the Trump version,

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<v Speaker 1>which is piece piece piece, Well sixty nine percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Australians stand with the idea of fight fight fight, Only

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one percent like the position. When it comes to Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>Labour voters the least impressed with Trump are just twenty percent,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Enhanson voters fifty seven percent pro Trump Coalition, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six other voters, those independents of thirty and at twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent Green's voters are apparently more into Trump than

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<v Speaker 1>Labor voters. In fact, the bloke who put the poll

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<v Speaker 1>together this is Anthony Oberneese. Personal satisfaction levels have notably improved,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly as Australian's overwhelmingly back his commitment to stand with

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<v Speaker 1>the Ukraine. Overseas leaders who opposed Trump policies have seen

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<v Speaker 1>improvements in their polling results. In Trump's recent twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent tariff decision presents an opportunity for Alberanezi to further

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<v Speaker 1>improve his leadership standing. Again, we will discuss all of

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<v Speaker 1>this in a moment or two time. A new pole

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<v Speaker 1>that has broken just as we were going to air.

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<v Speaker 1>Great work by lucying the team who are talking here

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<v Speaker 1>not about the ruling Morgan pole, but about the latest

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<v Speaker 1>pole that has just dropped in the Financial review. That

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<v Speaker 1>one again shows slight improvement for the Labor Party, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's still worth noting here. On two party preferred they

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<v Speaker 1>say that Labor gets seventy one seats, the coalition gets

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<v Speaker 1>sixty six seats. As you can see the dip and

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<v Speaker 1>then starting to come back up, the Coalition would win

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<v Speaker 1>nine seats of the next election. The Labor Party would

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<v Speaker 1>lose just seven. As I've said, if they lose seventy seats,

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<v Speaker 1>they can still get there when it comes to being

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<v Speaker 1>the minority, I think. But clearly if Labor has more

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<v Speaker 1>seats than the coalition, then obviously they're not just in

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<v Speaker 1>the box seat. They will form the next government. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's what they believe to be the case. They think

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<v Speaker 1>at least a couple of the sitting independence, perhaps a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of those gnats that might come back in towards

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<v Speaker 1>the coalition, or maybe a teal or two might end

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<v Speaker 1>up being there. So worth noting when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>that pole. As for the issues that have just been

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<v Speaker 1>dropped in that financial review pole, guess what the number

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<v Speaker 1>one is? Will it surprise you? Seventy one percent of

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<v Speaker 1>people say cost a living, So the Prime Minister tries

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<v Speaker 1>to change it to health. It hasn't moved housing the

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<v Speaker 1>number two issue. Now, remember housing works in multiple ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about the people who renting, the people who are owning,

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are paying off a house, the people

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<v Speaker 1>who want something for their kids or grandkids. Crime is

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the economy right now by one point,

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<v Speaker 1>climate change, way out of the five, Defense, immigration, employment

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<v Speaker 1>are all starting to taper off. And believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>industrial issues at bottom of that pile top of the list.

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<v Speaker 1>Still as so they used to say, what number one

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<v Speaker 1>with a bullet remains cost of living for the well

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<v Speaker 1>how of them in one hundredths week in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>But just back to this scenario here where these polls,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what they have told us about the message

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<v Speaker 1>to the Prime Minister of trying to turn Peter Dunnin

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<v Speaker 1>into the Australian version of Donald Trump. Now we know

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<v Speaker 1>he is not. In fact, there will be plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>people you will read here in the next few days

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to say he's not trumpy enough. But the

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<v Speaker 1>reality is anyone, anyone to the right of the Greens,

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<v Speaker 1>is going to consider themselves to be Trumpian, certainly when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to the teals. So get ready for this

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<v Speaker 1>to be the lazy tag that they going to put

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<v Speaker 1>on Peter Dutton. And as they try to move the

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<v Speaker 1>subject from their own performance. Remember they promise changes when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to cost of living, they promise changes when

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<v Speaker 1>it came to home loans, all of those things way

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<v Speaker 1>up and through the roof your life has been harder

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<v Speaker 1>under this government, not just the decisions, but the failure

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<v Speaker 1>in their promises. That's what this election should be about.

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<v Speaker 1>But watch everyone try to change the subject here. Watch

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<v Speaker 1>this try to be some sort of a proxy vote

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<v Speaker 1>against Donald Trump. Now that's the case, It's pretty obvious

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of Australians are not going to vote for

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<v Speaker 1>what they believe to be anything trumpy and hence why

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to hear it over and over again about

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton, no matter how many times he has said

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<v Speaker 1>and proven that he is not his part of the

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<v Speaker 1>attack that's going to be there because remember, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the bloke who promised better conditions on cost of living.

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently the number one issue of the next election

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<v Speaker 1>is the trumpiness of Dutton.

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<v Speaker 5>Such a decision by the Trump administration is entirely unjustified.

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<v Speaker 5>This is against the spirit about two nations enduring friendship

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<v Speaker 5>and fundamentally at odds with the benefits that our economic

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<v Speaker 5>partnership has delivered over more than seventy years.

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<v Speaker 1>Match that with what they person was saying, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the harder you running against Trump, the better it looks

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Again, I don't know whether people have got

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<v Speaker 1>that short memory, but we'll all find out together. And

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<v Speaker 1>the media, jeez, don't I love writing an opinion piece

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<v Speaker 1>a think piece over and over again, particularly the Turnbulel Times,

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<v Speaker 1>But over and over again. The new reality is dawning

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<v Speaker 1>on Australia. It can no longer rely on the US.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Turnbull Times, of course, the ghost said that

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<v Speaker 1>he won't be gasold over Trump. If you suck up

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<v Speaker 1>to him, you'll get more bullying. Geez, what a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>way of explaining the dying days of his prime ministership.

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<v Speaker 1>The Telegraph had plenty of people hundreds, in fact, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of thousand comments about people when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and the tariff decision, most being negative about that

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<v Speaker 1>tariff decision and the ultimate reason why they are hoping

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump is going to be like a giant that

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<v Speaker 1>produces a shadow that goes all the way across the

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific Ocean and into Australian politics. Have a look at

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<v Speaker 1>this one. Turbul times Trump's senseless tariffs will extend the

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<v Speaker 1>economic malaise fell by so many in Australia and around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. So despite the fact in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>when Donald Trump was not the president and he was

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<v Speaker 1>in about as deep an exile as you can imagine

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<v Speaker 1>before he went into courts where he could have spent

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of his life in jail in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty twenty four, no no, no, no, All of

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<v Speaker 1>that time where Albo and his mates promised to make

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<v Speaker 1>things better but it all got worse twelve intrastrate rises,

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of dollars extra on top of your

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<v Speaker 1>home loan. Tax on a bottle of Bundy up to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty three percent. Sixty three percent, ludicrous, excessive taxes on

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<v Speaker 1>cigarettes which is seen in the past three years, and

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<v Speaker 1>explosion not just at the chop job but at the

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<v Speaker 1>illegal gangs that are fighting it out for who gets

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<v Speaker 1>to sell it to you. Not to mention record number

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<v Speaker 1>of businesses that have gone broke. Not to mention three

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<v Speaker 1>million people this close to homelessness, not like three and

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<v Speaker 1>a bit million people who won't know where their food

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<v Speaker 1>comes from this week. Oh no, no, no, no no, it's

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<v Speaker 1>all about a referendum on Donald Trump. Don't let this happen.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll try it. It's going to become the tactic for

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<v Speaker 1>the next few weeks. It's going to be the talking

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<v Speaker 1>point between now and the budget. The budget, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks after they have not been able

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<v Speaker 1>to get a poll bounce out of the three budgets,

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<v Speaker 1>the three years of budgets that delivered four budgets, three

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<v Speaker 1>budgets that they have delivered thus far before the fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't get it out of tax cuts they won't

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<v Speaker 1>get it out of whatever they're about to pull out

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<v Speaker 1>of the bag. But watch the Camber Press gallery wake

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<v Speaker 1>up to the news of Trump. Apply that exclusively to

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian election, hoping that you forget that the people

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<v Speaker 1>who run this country, when they were appying for the

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<v Speaker 1>job of running this country, promised things to get better.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead they have all got demonstrably worse. Now, this story

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<v Speaker 1>was around last week, but I wanted to take a

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<v Speaker 1>second or two to bring it out of the intray

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<v Speaker 1>and put a little bit of focus and also say

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a congratulations Jonathan Lee, who is

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<v Speaker 1>one of our investigations people here, great reporter, a bloke

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<v Speaker 1>who just is all in at everything that he does.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember he did a little documentary and then you say little,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think it was a little bite sized thirty

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<v Speaker 1>minute one does really well on the website. It talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how, among other things, superannuation funds like Australian Super

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<v Speaker 1>when somebody dies take forever to pay out the policies. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not because a bunch of greedy people are

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<v Speaker 1>secretly rubbing their hands together going geez, I hope I

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<v Speaker 1>can get a couple hundred grand out of insert person's

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<v Speaker 1>name who just passed away. No, it's because they may

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<v Speaker 1>well have a whole series of debts. You're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>wind up their estate. You're trying to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>they've got some money to hand on to kids or grandkids.

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<v Speaker 1>But Australian Super, one of those union super funds, has

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<v Speaker 1>now been caught kicking and screaming. Now remember this was

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<v Speaker 1>in the reporting of Jonathan Lee last year. He was

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<v Speaker 1>onto this ball before others were, and I'm sure others

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<v Speaker 1>will be the ones who end up with the trophies.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to say, well under the team who

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<v Speaker 1>picked the docos, here world, under the bloke who made

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<v Speaker 1>the doco, and thank you to the people who spoke

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<v Speaker 1>so honestly about their experience with Australian Super.

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<v Speaker 4>The second of November is when we called Susan and Neville.

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<v Speaker 6>Buckley kept detailed notes as they underwent the harrowing process

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<v Speaker 6>of retrieving their dead son Super for a retirement. He

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<v Speaker 6>would never get to see.

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<v Speaker 7>He's been quite as been quite a journey and.

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<v Speaker 1>No one ever has to go through what we did

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<v Speaker 1>with this company.

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<v Speaker 6>He died in a road accident last October. The parents

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<v Speaker 6>expected the process of withdrawing your savings from Australian Super,

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<v Speaker 6>the nation's biggest retirement fund, would be procedural, but they

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<v Speaker 6>were completing documents in an ad hoc fashion. They say,

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<v Speaker 6>as the process was strung out for months, we.

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<v Speaker 8>Assumed it would take some time, but we thought weeks perhaps,

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<v Speaker 8>but it just dragged on and then once we got

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<v Speaker 8>into the new year and there was these huge silences,

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<v Speaker 8>it sort of felt like we've been purposely ignored. Because

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<v Speaker 8>soon made so many counts out on that plane for

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<v Speaker 8>so long that the battery would run flat in it.

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<v Speaker 8>We felt at that stage it will been deliberately installed.

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<v Speaker 1>You go looking for that doc go on a YouTube channel,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's going to news dot com dot you, which

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<v Speaker 1>should be your homepage not just for the latest news,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can find all of the videos, all of

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion. It's their twenty four to seven. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian Securities and Investment Commission has decided to take Australian

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<v Speaker 1>Super to court. Put simply, they offer a product that

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<v Speaker 1>says we will pay out under the following circumstances if

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<v Speaker 1>one of those is death and you don't pay out,

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<v Speaker 1>or you took take forever to pay out. And you

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell people you're going to take forever, you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a world of trouble, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>that's what ASE is going to try to tell the court.

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<v Speaker 7>Wanted out to sit with prescription how long it should take.

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<v Speaker 7>What we're really concerned about is where we say it

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<v Speaker 7>is clearly too long. So here we have in our

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<v Speaker 7>case we're alleging today nearly seven thousand claims that took

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<v Speaker 7>between four months and four years to process to.

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<v Speaker 1>The matters of COVID, and particularly the fact that five

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<v Speaker 1>years on, the kids aren't all right. We know this

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<v Speaker 1>to be the case because remember we showed you last

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<v Speaker 1>week that incredible little documentary which on the Adelaide Advertiser's website.

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<v Speaker 1>It's called Lockdown Kids. I think part four dropped today.

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<v Speaker 1>It talks about their difficulties, their anxieties about how we

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you and I weren't the premiers, but

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<v Speaker 1>how we screwed up an entire generation. Another example of

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<v Speaker 1>it is in the Sidney Morning Herald and the Age

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers today and it shows about the number of kids

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<v Speaker 1>that have been affected by things like COVID, but also

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<v Speaker 1>neurodivergent kids, spicy kids, as they can occasionally be called,

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<v Speaker 1>kids with things like dyslexia, autism, or ADHD. We're teachers

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<v Speaker 1>reporting up to forty percent of classrooms and now made

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<v Speaker 1>up of neurodivergent children, not all of them with an

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<v Speaker 1>official diagnosis of autism, ADHD or dyslexia. I've got two

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<v Speaker 1>out of those three, not the first. Those challenges can

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<v Speaker 1>be felt even greater by some. Now the authors of

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<v Speaker 1>a new book who serve a twelve hundred families with

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<v Speaker 1>a neurodivergent child and six hundred different teachers. They also

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed dozens of families, teachers, scientists, psychologists, school principles, autism experts, GPS,

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<v Speaker 1>speech therapists as well for this new book. It is

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<v Speaker 1>called out of the Box. It's about the picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the number of kids who are new divergent, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of the authors says, I felt like crying every time

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<v Speaker 1>I say this, But we spoke to some kids' parents

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<v Speaker 1>and the child had gone from prep to year twelve

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<v Speaker 1>without ever being invited to a birthday party. Now, apparently

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<v Speaker 1>this is because some people make the decision that a

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<v Speaker 1>spicy kid is not going to fit in with all

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<v Speaker 1>of the other kids at a party. As Madonna King

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<v Speaker 1>says in the extracts and conversations about the book, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to realize that, yes, there has been a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of diagnosis, and a lot of people somehow have opinions

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<v Speaker 1>about this. I just think we're better at diagnosing what

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<v Speaker 1>we used to ignore in lots of different things, lots

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<v Speaker 1>of different things. But there are going to be some

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<v Speaker 1>kids that are going to be able to turn up.

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<v Speaker 1>They might turn up a little bit late. They turn up,

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<v Speaker 1>they might play one game and then they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to retreat. That doesn't mean the kids have a

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<v Speaker 1>bad time. It just means they're having a tough time

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<v Speaker 1>being part of the party. So can I just say

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<v Speaker 1>if you are a parent or a grandparent and you

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<v Speaker 1>know that you would invite everyone in the class, or

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<v Speaker 1>everyone on the soccer team, or everyone on the insert

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<v Speaker 1>whatever group that you're in, but you think twice about

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not that one. No, no, no, please invite them, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as this story shows us, when kids get left behind,

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>everything gets worse. So do your best to include as

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<v Speaker 1>many people as possible, including the people why. Yeah, Oka,

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<v Speaker 1>occasionally it might be difficult, but imagine what it's like

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<v Speaker 1>for them inside. Okay, And strength and love to all

0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 1>of the parents, all of the grandparents, and anyone who

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<v Speaker 1>has found their way to navigate life with things like

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<v Speaker 1>autism or ADHD or anything else that's neurodivergin Strengthen love.

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>As I said of that list, I've told you before,

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a high functioning dyslexic with an awful lot of

0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 1>ADHD that to this very very day can be a problem.

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.959
<v Speaker 1>I ended up here, but many many people in and

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<v Speaker 1>around that stuff who are a little bit spicy don't

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>end up as lucky as I am to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do what I do. But strength and love. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want you to know we see you and we're

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 1>always in your corner. I promise. We really are a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of sport to talk about the Australian Grand Prix,

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<v Speaker 1>and good on the fans who, by the way, not

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<v Speaker 1>the people that were sort of running around the bird cage,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the celebs. God love a few of those people. However,

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>God love the people sitting in the ponchos as. It

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<v Speaker 1>was really warm for a couple of days, then it rained.

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar Piastre, what is he going to win? Was he

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the first Australian to win the Astralian

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Prix in a very long time, and no his

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<v Speaker 1>team at Landa Norris did though he was Oscar Piastre

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<v Speaker 1>after spinning out.

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<v Speaker 6>Obviously pretty pretty disappointed. I like it was a pretty

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<v Speaker 6>pretty good race apart from.

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<v Speaker 8>That one mistake that cost a lot. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 8>just such a shame.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what about got gout? This is the bloke who

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<v Speaker 1>is it's the fastest person to run two hundred meters

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<v Speaker 1>this year and he's a naussy. Now we know Comwealth

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<v Speaker 1>Games a little while away, Olympics another three years away.

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<v Speaker 1>But what form this bloke is having? And congratulations to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who is part of his team. There was a

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>big meat this weekend and he, as I said, hit

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<v Speaker 1>it out of the park. He has not got the

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<v Speaker 1>world record, but Jesu's close fastest time in the world

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<v Speaker 1>over two hundred this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much top ten times in my Career's a pretty

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<v Speaker 3>good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still getting back in through it, so I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Be have you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get into its state of the race,

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<v Speaker 1>hardcore political talk, new polls, what's around the corner between

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 1>now the budget? Are they going to go the full

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 1>levels of attack when it comes to Dunton Trump, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you fight back against Albo and what's happening at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment in some of the missiness when it comes

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:57.439
<v Speaker 1>to taking on the teals. Just getting started. You're going

0:27:57.520 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>to love tonight show. Glad you are where you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks all. Oh, let us get into it deep and

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 1>detailed political chat. This is the way you want to

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<v Speaker 1>do a Sunday night. Hey, you know people who do

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>or do not actually love each other? Fake Matt whatever, Yeah, footy,

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 1>that's all done. You know what six hours ago when

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.879
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Prix was done. All right, this is the chat.

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.360
<v Speaker 1>This is the state of the race, which we get

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>into right now with Cosamaris was of course from the

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<v Speaker 1>red Bridge group and Michael krogerho is a legend around

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>liberal parts. Gentlemen, Hello, get a happy by Saint Patrick's dale,

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.160
<v Speaker 1>all of that business. So let's get into a little

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 1>bit of hot data, because we've got some new data

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<v Speaker 1>in our hands tonight. The Freshwater Pole produces one saying

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<v Speaker 1>that the coalition best cases nine seats, Labor would lose seven,

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>but it puts them at seventy one sixty six. Pretty

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<v Speaker 1>obviously they'd be able to form a minority government with

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<v Speaker 1>even probably without the Greens, but they'd be going close

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<v Speaker 1>to the Greens at that point. Their poll of poll

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<v Speaker 1>shows that after Labour went really high and then basically

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty four went to sub fifty, it's either now flattening

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<v Speaker 1>or ever so slightly coming back up. Number one issue

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>costs of living seventy one percent housing, then healthcare. You

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<v Speaker 1>gov produced a number yesterday that basically is the most

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<v Speaker 1>optimistic about the Labor parties four from the previous election,

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<v Speaker 1>where again some poles will tell you that it's what

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<v Speaker 1>five points off. According to this it's only two points

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 1>coalition not really great beneficiary. So they say that Labour

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<v Speaker 1>Party fifty one forty nine because obviously your numbers will

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<v Speaker 1>be the best and we will see them in the

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<v Speaker 1>coming days. However, what do you think of what appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be a narrative trend in the interpreting of these

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>numbers that Olbo's back baby Not really.

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<v Speaker 4>So what we're seeing is effectively recalibration of what existed

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<v Speaker 4>in the electro landscape in twenty twenty two. So Labour's

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<v Speaker 4>primary vibe it's around thirty two thirty one hasn't moved again,

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<v Speaker 4>even with a Freshwater pole, even with you Guv's pole,

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<v Speaker 4>it's the same number. It has not moved for pretty much,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, since since the since Labour's primary vote declined

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<v Speaker 4>from this honeymoon period. Coalition fluctuates between thirty seven to forty.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you see a thirty six in front of it

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<v Speaker 4>with a really bad with a really bad sample for them,

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 4>like in UGUV sample. And then of course every pulse

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<v Speaker 4>struggles to actually capture accurately the other vote. And this

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 4>is where every pulse, including us, are not going to

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<v Speaker 4>get this right. So we've got we've got a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of fluctuation amongst that other vote. You know, in Freshwater's numbers,

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<v Speaker 4>Greens are at fourteen and colisions down. Well, we know

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<v Speaker 4>that's not the case. We know that people are not

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<v Speaker 4>jumping off the Libs and going onto the Greens.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just not happening.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's really just a it's an artifact of the data.

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<v Speaker 4>Not much has changed. It is going to go down

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<v Speaker 4>to the wire. It will bail down to which seats

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<v Speaker 4>are you know, the Liberal Party has a high enough

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<v Speaker 4>primary to capitalize on labor spraying of their vote, so

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 4>what we will see is Labour's primary vote won't necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>all when they hemorrhach, won't necessarily all go to the coalition.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of them will just like I did in WA,

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<v Speaker 4>but not all of it. So that's where I think

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<v Speaker 4>the content is going to be fought in one and

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<v Speaker 4>we just have to wait and see it. But I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's very important that we just take a step back.

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<v Speaker 1>That's this way.

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<v Speaker 4>I think sure Dunton's camp is pretty flat forwarded at

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<v Speaker 4>the moment and that's not helping them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, let's be honest. I mean this show

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<v Speaker 1>over the past couple of weeks spoken about their responsiveness

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<v Speaker 1>or lack thereof at certain times. All right, So whether

0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>we're feeling it in real time and some data follows

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<v Speaker 1>up and look, I think you had a much better

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<v Speaker 1>week last week, and whether it is just those little

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 1>fractions on the side. I'll pick you up in a

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<v Speaker 1>second to go a little further cause into something that

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you were just talking about, say sample size, and I

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>think you know we're all old enough to have that chat.

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that in a second. But Michael, again,

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<v Speaker 1>are we seeing a scenario where remember it's a whole

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<v Speaker 1>collection of poles that start to build a trend. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that. You know your mate Stephen Conroy, he sort

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<v Speaker 1>of feels, yeah, they've bottomed out, and if at the

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<v Speaker 1>very least bottoming out at fifty one forty nine is

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<v Speaker 1>a better place to be than bottoming out at you know,

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<v Speaker 1>forty seven fifty three or that resolt pot, which is

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most pro change of government that's out there

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment.

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<v Speaker 9>Well done about Stephen Conroy. He's still recovering from having

0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.960
<v Speaker 9>to spend set He's still recovering from having to spend

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<v Speaker 9>several years as a minister in Kevin Rudd's government. So

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 9>you've got to give You've got to give Stephen a

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<v Speaker 9>bit of a leaf pass mate. I don't accept the

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<v Speaker 9>yougo the Yigo pole to me, fluctuates too much. It

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<v Speaker 9>has two percent swing against us the previous months I

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 9>had three months three percent to us. It's just not consistent.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough for me.

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<v Speaker 9>The fresh water pole, I think I agree with because

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 9>I think the coalition's momentum has slowed over the last month.

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 9>Labor have had a better two weeks than the Coalition

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 9>have had. I think it's all the car before the storm.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't agree with the seventy one sixty six because

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:30.280
<v Speaker 9>that in the freshwater pole in the finterview, because that

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<v Speaker 9>presupposes that the swing is uniform, and that's all the

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 9>Pols can do. I mean they don't. I'm not blaming them,

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 9>not criticizing them when you overlay what they say is

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<v Speaker 9>you know about a three percent swing to the coalition,

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<v Speaker 9>that gives you the result they've come up, which is

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<v Speaker 9>seventy one sixty seventy one to Labor, sixty six to

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 9>the coalition. But I think the Coalition is doing better

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 9>in the marginal seats. So for example, the Coalition are

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<v Speaker 9>going to win Aston, and they're going to win Bullwinkle

0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 9>and they're going to win Chisholm in Victoria, so that

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 9>gives Dutton sixty nine and Albanezy sixty eight. And I

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 9>also think the Coalition are going to win McEwan, Brisbane

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.439
<v Speaker 9>and Boothby. So that's how I get to seventy two

0:34:15.600 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 9>and I've got Abo on sixty five. I think the

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:23.560
<v Speaker 9>Liberal vote in liberal seats is probably not increasing that much.

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<v Speaker 9>I think the swing is on in marginal seats, particularly

0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 9>the outer suburban marginal seats, and that's why I've got

0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 9>Dutton head and that's why I think his favorite to

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<v Speaker 9>in the election made.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I'm also looking forward to somebody getting

0:34:35.480 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>under the hood of say Ben Along read in New

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>South Wales Ben Along. You know. Again redistribution notionally this

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>but the whole point is labor seat currently but very

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 1>small margin. And again this is part of the lesson.

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.480
<v Speaker 1>When I turn around and I'm trying to try to

0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.879
<v Speaker 1>give you as much of a picture right as you know,

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.319
<v Speaker 1>all we can do is have an insight. Okay, not

0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the crystal ball, because all of us will be off,

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, with this week's lot of numbers, right, But

0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>it's about that crystal ball and the best insights that

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 1>we can get. One of the reasons why we love

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>talking to Causes because he's not just doing a polling,

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 1>but there's also these conversations with voters. He's able to

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:13.359
<v Speaker 1>see and hear the stuff that may not turn up

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>in a which way someone's going to vote, but becomes

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 1>indicative of where someone's going to go. Now again, you

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.879
<v Speaker 1>mentioned before about sample here cause and again I can

0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>imagine the haters watching going, Oh, of course you want

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to talk about sample size when the poll isn't going

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>the way you want it to be settled down. Relax, Okay,

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:30.480
<v Speaker 1>let's have the adult chat you want to play like that,

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<v Speaker 1>go over to the ghost's house at point Piper, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with you. Right, but right now my thing

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>here cause is okay, when you whatever statistically relevant one

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>thousand people, fifteen hundred people, and then you have to

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 1>go and find what percentage of the population is twenty

0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 1>five to thirty four, what percentage lives in Victoria, you've

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>got a sort of balance around all of that before

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 1>you even start to get into political identification. Was there

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>anything in that Yuga poll the show's labor slightly up

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>over the Libs that is just just stands out to

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>you as they've asked too many of this or not

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:04.479
<v Speaker 1>enough of that, and anything in that you was talking

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>about sample before. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, you know, I really do emphasize the margin of era,

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:16.239
<v Speaker 4>which we are all as polsters do to report, but

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:18.600
<v Speaker 4>no one really pays attention to it. Like you know

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 4>in twenty nineteen everyone wrote up the poles wrong. Well,

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:24.320
<v Speaker 4>if you're actually factoring in the margin of ra and

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 4>all those poles actually quite accurate, right, it's just that right,

0:36:28.040 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 4>Like it's if it's a fifty one forty nine contest

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 4>and you've got three percent margin of era, it could

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 4>go anyway right now, And go back to Michael's point,

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<v Speaker 4>which is absolutely critical, you can't uniformly apply in today

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty five, right, so you know, it could be

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 4>very different in outer suburbs and regions versus the inner

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.759
<v Speaker 4>parts of our art cities. So it's a seat by

0:36:52.840 --> 0:37:00.040
<v Speaker 4>seat situation and applying you know, swings at uniformly it

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 4>just doesn't work right now in this political landscape. So

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, I've said that Labor could win with a

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<v Speaker 4>forty eight two party preferred or they could lose with

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 4>a fifty one two party preferred. We just don't know.

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 4>R It's such a complicated election. It is the most

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 4>complicated SINS federation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree completely because as we've discussed before, I mean,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you were sitting in a studio in

0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Perth a couple of weeks ago, things are very different

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 1>than where they are And of course the East Coast

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>isn't a uniform outside of Brisbane versus you know that

0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the Sunny Coast, Gold Coast are the Teals having a

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 1>crack in the north of this city or the west,

0:37:35.280 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, or all of those pictures, let alone, as

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>I said, the West to play people who might just

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.720
<v Speaker 1>be giving up on the Labor Party, you know, because

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.640
<v Speaker 1>of the Victorian government, or Die Aley's you know, mates

0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>got to run. So there's so much inside all of this.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.640
<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to ask you both about something which

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>is such a number that to me screams, hey, pay

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>attention everyone and wake up. This number matters. Okay, essential

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Pole Turnbull times in the Guardian, Okay, thirteen percent of

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>people say I have not decided who I'm going to

0:38:03.960 --> 0:38:06.479
<v Speaker 1>vote for. Okay, we all know that'd be logically the case.

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 1>It's compulsory voting a lot of people paying attention to

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 1>everything else. But the reason I wanted to mention it though,

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 1>was once you start to break things down into voting intention,

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>which I think means you are starting to see what

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 1>people are saying. To a polster, they'll say, yeah, I'm

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 1>going to vote labor. But what percentage of that actually

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>is not just soft but doesn't exist? All right, It's

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 1>just a place to hold because you decide to do

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a poll and you end up picking one of the

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 1>options right. Nine percent of Labors vote according to this

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>have not decided who they're voting for, not not the

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>thirty nine percent to say I think, but I might

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.840
<v Speaker 1>change their mind. Right, we're talking literally about the people

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 1>who just tick the box because it's a box, right.

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Four percent of Coalition less than that of Green's. Here's

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 1>the one that matters. Twenty percent of independent or other

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>party voters have not decided who they're going to vote for.

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Thirty eight percent say that they think they know who

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.680
<v Speaker 1>they're going to vote for, but they could change their mind.

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the election, cause that's the whole damn election. Where

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>where right now in polls we're seeing, oh, the Independent,

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.440
<v Speaker 1>the other, the Teal, the one nation, the trumpet of

0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:20.520
<v Speaker 1>the Patriots number, Oh it's twenty five percent, well made

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>of twenty one in five voters is just ticking the

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>box but hasn't actually decided. Then we're wrestlings smoke.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean you are dealing with now

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 4>a situation where as I said mentioned before, it's a

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 4>seat by sea scenario. But you're just going to have

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<v Speaker 4>to just take a chill pill and just wait for

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.080
<v Speaker 4>the numbers to come in on election night and let's

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.839
<v Speaker 4>see how they all fall. Let's see how the preferences fly.

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Preference arrangements will be absolutely critical in.

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<v Speaker 4>So many seats five point two million Austrains vote for

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.240
<v Speaker 4>something other than the major part is the last election.

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 4>That numbers going to be a little bit bigger time proportionally,

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.880
<v Speaker 4>and they're going to and those individuals they're going to

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 4>determine the outcome of this election.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah. And the way that they categorize in this

0:40:10.680 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 1>poll literally Labor, Coalition, Greens and then everyone else. So

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about everything from Trumpet to the Patriots to

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Victorian socialists, all right, and all in between. But Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>as a person who would be sitting around the war

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:25.239
<v Speaker 1>rooms of the Coalition trying to work out, okay, that

0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty percent that are just ticking the box of other

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>you've got to get them before you even get the doubters,

0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 1>or do you get the doubters and then you go

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:36.640
<v Speaker 1>and get the oh I've got to vote people.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, you get them through the campaign and through having

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<v Speaker 9>the best campaign, and that means the best policies that

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 9>appeal to not just them, but across the board, so

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:52.319
<v Speaker 9>you can identify who they are. You don't know who

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:56.640
<v Speaker 9>they are in many respects, and you can't have policies

0:40:56.680 --> 0:40:59.520
<v Speaker 9>which specifically appeal to them. You haven't got to have

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 9>very strong policies on cost of living and on the

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 9>other important issues that have been in that poll. But

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<v Speaker 9>what I think works against Elbow in the end is

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 9>the fact that he's been a poor prime minister. Most

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 9>people agree with that he's a poor campaigner. People know

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.359
<v Speaker 9>that the budget is not going to help them. There's

0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:24.719
<v Speaker 9>a sea of reading coming to a government which has said, oh,

0:41:24.760 --> 0:41:27.400
<v Speaker 9>we're great economic managers. We've had two surpluses which you've

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 9>actually had nothing to do with them. And of course

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:31.839
<v Speaker 9>the other issue they're going to the sleeper they've got

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 9>to deal with is are they going to preference the

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 9>Greens everywhere? So you go back to the seat we've

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:41.440
<v Speaker 9>talked about before, McNamara. Are they going to say to

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:44.319
<v Speaker 9>Jewish voters in Macnamara where they have a Jewish member

0:41:44.320 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 9>of Parliament that Josh Burns thinks you should put the

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 9>Greens second ahead of the Liberal Party. That will alienate

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:55.320
<v Speaker 9>every Jewish voter in the country. That's the five percent

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 9>of them haven't been alienated already. So Elbow's got to

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.239
<v Speaker 9>deal with this Green preferences issue in Ryan Brisbane and

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 9>McNamara in particular. So that's the other issue, the sleeper issue,

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 9>which is going to bite him in the last couple

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:09.480
<v Speaker 9>of weeks of the campaign. That the minute he has

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 9>been able to fob off and say, oh, that's a

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:14.360
<v Speaker 9>national executive decision, everyone knows he controls the national executive,

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 9>it's his personal decision and he's going to get flayed

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 9>if he tells everyone in this country that the Greens

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:22.960
<v Speaker 9>have to be preferenced before the Liberal Party, that will

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.799
<v Speaker 9>probably finish him off in my view.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and just to ram him the point, going back

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<v Speaker 1>to the census of a couple of years ago, there's

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<v Speaker 1>about one hundred thousand people who identify as Jewish in Australia.

0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 1>That's zero point four percent in Victoria, zero point seven

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:41.280
<v Speaker 1>In McNamara there are sixteen and a half thousand people

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 1>of Jewish descent who are there. And that's number from

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>a few years ago. That's nine almost ten percent. So

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly why that matters. And as always these boys are

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:51.399
<v Speaker 1>on the numbers quick break back. The more I want

0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 1>to talk about the trump of it all, because there

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:54.600
<v Speaker 1>is an awful lot of people that are going to

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>want to just live the American news cycle all day long.

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Will it have an effect? They start to say it

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>in the focus Grips State of the Race part of

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Paul Murray Live This and Every Sunday Night. Thanks a watch,

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:10.879
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for watching. Hey can I also

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 1>give a shout out to James Bolt and his beautiful

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:17.879
<v Speaker 1>new wife Brie at their wedding yesterday, spectacular ceremony. He's

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful guy. He worked on this show for a

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>very significant period of time and I love him very much.

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 1>They're a beautiful couple and is an awesome when you

0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 1>go to a wedding and you go these two love

0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.160
<v Speaker 1>each other, This is awesome, great venue. They're gonna have

0:43:30.200 --> 0:43:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a great future. So it was a wonderful night. And yeah, yeah,

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I just I owned that dance for a baby. I

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:38.399
<v Speaker 1>own that dance floor. And you know what, I don't

0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:40.920
<v Speaker 1>know how many buttons came out. Whatever. That's just the

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:45.280
<v Speaker 1>way it is. That's just the way it is. Michael Krager,

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 1>are you that type of guy who it doesn't matter

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 1>you know one sort of apps, give me give me

0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>a man after midnight shirt is just torn asunder. I

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.720
<v Speaker 1>reckon coz Is I'm not even asking him. I know, couses.

0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 9>Depends how many events, how many chocolate bars we've had, mate,

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 9>that's the answer that question. All right, Now, let's go

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 9>to your case and your case is usually a few.

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I preload as well. Wrong with it. It's like

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:12.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, the kids are sort of preloaded at home.

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:15.239
<v Speaker 1>I was preloading for days before the party. All right, now,

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 1>speed abound. I want to get to Trump in a second.

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:21.560
<v Speaker 1>But when there's this big gst bailout of the Victorian

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>government because we know how big a problem there is

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 1>in Victoria, just you know, money for a government that

0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 1>you are so embarrassed by that you won't campaign with them.

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Does this move the needle at all, this sort of

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.839
<v Speaker 1>money or it just all goes into the black hole

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>that is that government?

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<v Speaker 4>I think you know, we're talking about the national polls

0:44:44.080 --> 0:44:46.680
<v Speaker 4>and what they mean, Well, they won't pick up. It's

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:50.240
<v Speaker 4>just how serious of a problem labors facing in Victoria

0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 4>at a federal level. And yes, it's impacted by the

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 4>state government. The numbers that we're seeing in our research

0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 4>consistently now suggest the swing against labor and Victoria is hovering.

0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 4>You know something around eight percent two party preferred. Now

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 4>we don't obviously apply that uniformly across every seat, but

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 4>there are at least five to seven seats in play

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 4>Yere and every month, every week the pass that goes by,

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 4>there's another seat that gets added to their target seed list.

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:23.719
<v Speaker 4>So you know, I think the election will be one

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 4>or lost in the state of Victoria, and it's not

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 4>a good picture of the Labour side of politics.

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, well watch this space. Now let's get

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>to the Trump of everything here. Now, as I said, Michael,

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you and I fans of the Great Man. However, according

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to what is publicly available, not the majority viewer of

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the majority of people or twenty percent of people are hiding.

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Certainly one hundred percent of people that come up and

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>say hello to you and I, they're all in on

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the Great Man. So let's talk about the politics and

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.720
<v Speaker 1>whether Labor is now going to try to pivot to Dutton.

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Is Aussie Trump. They're going to find a way to

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:57.040
<v Speaker 1>be running against Trump and everything Trump, despite the fact

0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 1>that of course the right wing of Australian politics is

0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:03.839
<v Speaker 1>this said Fie that he ain't Trump enough. Also, we're

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.560
<v Speaker 1>in a scenario where you know, every day we wake

0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.440
<v Speaker 1>up to the news because of the time zones and

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.879
<v Speaker 1>all the wild stuff out of America. Is it going

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 1>to help Albo sort of running against Trump and trying

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to turn Duarton into Trump's proxy even though he's not well.

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.399
<v Speaker 9>I'll try that, but it's got almost zero impact here.

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 9>And Dutton has been very critical of Trump, as are

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 9>many people in the Liberal Party over particularly over the Ukraine.

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:35.480
<v Speaker 9>And you saw that Pole very disappointing what he's doing

0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:37.399
<v Speaker 9>over the Ukraine. I think he's got completely the wrong

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.160
<v Speaker 9>way around. If you're beating the Russians agreement first, then

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 9>the Ukraine is not the way he's doing it. A

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.920
<v Speaker 9>lot of Liberals are very unhappy as Dutton is note

0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 9>out with the tariff decision of the Americans, with what

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 9>he's doing in Canada and Mexico with tariff's et cetera,

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:55.640
<v Speaker 9>et cetera. And Peter Dutton's been very critical of Trump publicly,

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.680
<v Speaker 9>so you know Albo can try that. Albo has to

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 9>concer and trade on a second term labor agenda. The

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:04.959
<v Speaker 9>more he talks about Trump or that type of stuff,

0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 9>the Electric says that it's got no bearing doesn't help

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<v Speaker 9>me today you're talking about Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah too clever by half.

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<v Speaker 9>What is happening in Australia today to put food on

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<v Speaker 9>my table, to money in my bank account, to help

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<v Speaker 9>pay my mortgage, right to pay my school, my kids education,

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<v Speaker 9>pray the car registration bill, et cetera, et cetera. So

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<v Speaker 9>the more you get diverted on the things which are

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<v Speaker 9>so obviously just diversionary tactics, the worse he'll do. Albow

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<v Speaker 9>needs to say, here's my second term agenda now at

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<v Speaker 9>the minute, mate, he's done none of that, absolutely none

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<v Speaker 9>of that. Until he's able to do that, I think

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<v Speaker 9>he's going to get He's had, you know, the poles

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<v Speaker 9>of flat lined. But unless he gives people the reason

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<v Speaker 9>to vote for him for a second time, he's Koputski,

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<v Speaker 9>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Because same question but thirty seconds of an answer. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you starting to notice people talking about Trump and the

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<v Speaker 1>overhang or is that a press gallery thing?

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<v Speaker 4>Most doing Australians to the to the United States for

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<v Speaker 4>most of their political news. They know more about the

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<v Speaker 4>politics in the US and they know about the policy

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<v Speaker 4>in Australia, so that doesn't necessarily they are fans of Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>But they that's that's where their attention is at. Now

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<v Speaker 4>do they think that, you know, Dunton is a mirror

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<v Speaker 4>copy of Trump, No, they don't. Is it going to

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<v Speaker 4>have an impact? I don't think so, unless, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>you know that the tariff war was escalating. People are

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<v Speaker 4>scared about inflation. But at the moment I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a it's a side on issue. It's not really going

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<v Speaker 4>to impact the the the election coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, Thank you lads. I look forward to a

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<v Speaker 1>big meta chat again next week. Very very good. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, the report James Bolt just sent me a

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<v Speaker 1>text was all of the buttons. All of the buttons