Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a major week of political debates and we
Speaker 3: just saw Jim Charmers and Angus Taylor go head to head.
Speaker 3: Both politicians were sharp, precise and on message. Chalmers accused
Speaker 3: Taylor of planning secret cuts to pay for a six
Speaker 3: hundred billion dollar nuclear plan, while Taylor said the Treasurer
Speaker 3: had overseen the greatest decline in living standards in Australian history.
Speaker 3: This is a cost of living crisis. With Trump's trade
Speaker 3: tariff's causing global havoc and inflation still biting, the economy
Speaker 3: is the central issue impacting every single Australian. Now voters
Speaker 3: will decide who they trust to run the country and
Speaker 3: even tonight. In this debate, Angus Taylor, while he performed
Speaker 3: extremely well, he struggled to nail Jim Charmers all the
Speaker 3: Albaneze government for how the stand of living has collapsed,
Speaker 3: for how energy prices are soaring despite the government in
Speaker 3: opposition promising the opposite, and for their wasteful spending. Angus
Speaker 3: Taylor and Dutton will be judged if they fail to
Speaker 3: comprehensively prosecute the case against Charmers on these fronts and
Speaker 3: not just tonight, where as I said, Taylor performed very well,
Speaker 3: but in the campaign more broadly.
Speaker 2: Now, the standout.
Speaker 3: Moment tonight was when Ross Greenwood asked the treasurer if
Speaker 3: he'd apologize for promising that energy prices would fall by
Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy five dollars. Chalmers said, he takes responsibility,
Speaker 3: but he stopped shot of saying sorry, Will you.
Speaker 4: Look down the battle of the camera and apologize for that,
Speaker 4: because he's at something you should do, because again, that
Speaker 4: was a promise, it was not fulfilled.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: The two hundred and seventy five figure that you're referring
Speaker 6: to from the modeling in twenty twenty one predated two
Speaker 6: important developments. The first one was angusin devine to hide
Speaker 6: a big price rise before the last election. We didn't
Speaker 6: know about that when we talked about that modeling. And
Speaker 6: the second thing is there's been a major land war
Speaker 6: in Eastern Europe which has caused a global spike in
Speaker 6: energy inflation.
Speaker 3: In fact, Chalmers was twice asked to apologize to voters
Speaker 3: for promising a lower cost of living before the last election,
Speaker 3: and Taylor put this to him as well, but again
Speaker 3: he didn't apologize. In return, Chalmers asked Taylor to promise
Speaker 3: that he wouldn't cut essential services.
Speaker 6: Yes, and Peter Button have both said the best indicator
Speaker 6: of future is what's happened in the past. Now, in
Speaker 6: their first budget, after promising no cuts to health and education,
Speaker 6: they cut eighty billion dollars of health education. And that's
Speaker 6: why he won't answer this question.
Speaker 3: And this is the heart of Labour's attack against the
Speaker 3: Coalition during this campaign, that it would cut health education
Speaker 3: and medicare.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Another key moment tonight was when Ross green would ask
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor if he didn't put enough work into his
Speaker 3: own job.
Speaker 4: Question is some people suggest that maybe you don't put
Speaker 4: the work in You maybe have heard that as well.
Speaker 4: What's your own sense of that?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, there's lots of free advice.
Speaker 3: And in turn, Russ Greenwood put to Jim Chalmers that
Speaker 3: he had a glass jaw.
Speaker 4: The one thing they say is you've got a bit
Speaker 4: of a glass jaw that you don't cop criticism well
Speaker 4: or just say that.
Speaker 6: I think over time I've learned to understand that you
Speaker 6: take the good with the bad.
Speaker 3: Now, Trump's Trey tariffs was the opening question like it
Speaker 3: was last night, and Chalmers claimed Albanezy was standing up
Speaker 3: for Australia while he said Darton was full of doge
Speaker 3: sick of ants. And Taylor responded by saying that he'd
Speaker 3: take on the Trump administration and that they would sought
Speaker 3: out an exemption like they had in the past.
Speaker 6: And here I think we've got the first contrast of
Speaker 6: the debate tonight, the first choice, because we've got a
Speaker 6: Prime Minister standing up for and speaking up for Australia,
Speaker 6: and we've got an opposition leader and an opposition which
Speaker 6: is absolutely full of these kind of thogey sicker fans
Speaker 6: who have hitched their wagon to American style slogans and
Speaker 6: policies and especially cuts which would make Australians worse off.
Speaker 5: We've heard the first piece of nonsense from Jim tonight,
Speaker 5: which is that we're not prepared to take on an
Speaker 5: American administration. We did when we were lasting government, we
Speaker 5: will again.
Speaker 3: The question of a recession was put on the table
Speaker 3: during the debate.
Speaker 2: Augus Taylor said.
Speaker 3: That if the four rate cuts that Charmers had forecast, well,
Speaker 3: if they come to pass, this would mean that Australia
Speaker 3: would be in a recession, but Charmers argued that he
Speaker 3: expects the economy to continue to grow. To this point,
Speaker 3: we heard Angus Taylor point to GDP per capita going backwards.
Speaker 3: He called it a lost decade with living standards falling.
Speaker 5: GDP per capita has gone backwards for twenty one months
Speaker 5: in a row under your so called stewardship, Jim. And
Speaker 5: the result of that is our household standard of living,
Speaker 5: what our incomes combined terms of goods and services, has
Speaker 5: collapsed in an unprecedented way seven point nine percent since
Speaker 5: she came into government. The buffers are gone if you
Speaker 5: look at household budgets that they're deep into digging into
Speaker 5: their savings.
Speaker 3: And that was the crux of the coalition argument that
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor prosecutor tonight. But Ross Green would push Taylor
Speaker 3: on spending, saying.
Speaker 2: Well, what would he cut?
Speaker 3: And Taylor claimed that he'd grow the economy faster by
Speaker 3: business investment, so he said he'd grow the economy faster
Speaker 3: than spending with business investment. Green would also then push
Speaker 3: Charmers on why he's spending twenty billion dollars on student
Speaker 3: debt when generations before.
Speaker 2: Had to pay their own hex debt.
Speaker 3: There was also a clash on how much each of
Speaker 3: their energy plans would cost.
Speaker 6: Angus is going to the election with three policies, first
Speaker 6: of all, to increase income taxes on every Australian tax payer,
Speaker 6: second of all lower wages, and thirdly secret cuts to
Speaker 6: pay for nuclear reactors. And you can't find six hundred
Speaker 6: billion dollars to pay for those nuclear reactors without coming
Speaker 6: after medicare, just like Peter Dutton did when he was
Speaker 6: the Health Minister.
Speaker 5: The only energy plan that's going to cost six hundred
Speaker 5: billion dollars is your energy plan, Chris Bowen's energy Now.
Speaker 3: Angus Taylor spoke early on about how the standard of
Speaker 3: living had fallen more under the Albaneze government than at
Speaker 3: any other time in history, and the cost of living
Speaker 3: crisis is the central issue on the minds of voters
Speaker 3: this campaign, But Charmers was able to get through the
Speaker 3: debate without Taylor convincingly holding him personally responsible for this crisis.
Speaker 3: It became a contest on whose plan to help the
Speaker 3: cost of living was better, rather than what the coalition
Speaker 3: is seeking to do, which is to have the election
Speaker 3: become a referendum on the cost of living.
Speaker 5: Crimes under labor. We've seen groceries go up by thirty percent,
Speaker 5: gas electricity insurance all up by over thirty percent. Your
Speaker 5: homegrown inflation has had this impact. There is a better way, Jim.
Speaker 3: Now, this contest between Angus Taylor and Jim Chalmers is
Speaker 3: important because ultimately there's nothing of more significance to voters
Speaker 3: at the.
Speaker 2: Moment than our economy.
Speaker 3: Now we're going to have full analysis tonight. We will
Speaker 3: have in a moment rich O and Michael Kroger. But
Speaker 3: right now, for his view on the debate we just
Speaker 3: saw between Treasurer Jim Chalmers and Angus Taylor. Let's bring
Speaker 3: in Judo Bank Economic advisor Warren Hogan. Warren, what's your
Speaker 3: view on how this played out? This is the crucial
Speaker 3: issue and voters will judge the Albanezy government harshly. But
Speaker 3: do you think Angus Taylor really nailed Jim Charmers on
Speaker 3: that tonight?
Speaker 7: Look, I don't think he got the killer blow. He
Speaker 7: didn't ram home the message about the text the massive
Speaker 7: increase on taxas on Australians, and certainly he didn't get
Speaker 7: that sense of the responsibility for the inflation. But he
Speaker 7: really did win the overall sense of being able to
Speaker 7: articulate the challenges that the Australian people are facing, the
Speaker 7: risks that have been posed by not just what's happening
Speaker 7: now with the tariffs and the market volatility, but with
Speaker 7: our productivity problem, with our standard of living going backwards,
Speaker 7: and articulating a plan. And I think that's what he
Speaker 7: had to do and I think he did that really well.
Speaker 7: So I think Angus Taylor has come out pretty well tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did perform really well.
Speaker 3: And for many Australians this might have been the first
Speaker 3: they saw of Angus Taylor because he hasn't given you know,
Speaker 3: he hasn't been perhaps as prolific as he could have
Speaker 3: been in terms of media appearances. I think they each
Speaker 3: got really strong lines in tonight. Angus Taylor his closed sentence,
Speaker 3: he's closing his closing address there he said, who do
Speaker 3: you trust to manage the economy more?
Speaker 2: That is what the coalition's putting.
Speaker 3: And then Jim Chalmers called it a coalition of cuts
Speaker 3: and chaos, which was quite a biting line as well.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I think Chalmers didn't land the blow that
Speaker 7: they're trying to land through this whole campaign, which is
Speaker 7: the coalition is going to cut, cut, cut. It's actually
Speaker 7: now just becoming noise because Taylor was able to get
Speaker 7: through that. So look, I think if you are looking seriously,
Speaker 7: and economics is extraordinarily complex, the job of the Treasure
Speaker 7: is ever more how to actually communicate these issues. I
Speaker 7: think you can see that Taylor has actually risen to
Speaker 7: the occasion and the problem for the Treasure is he
Speaker 7: continues to look like a politician and driven by sort
Speaker 7: of set pieces and slogans, whereas Taylor is actually articulating
Speaker 7: the issues. And I think that was the contrast that
Speaker 7: Angus Taylor had to bring out. So look, I think
Speaker 7: from an economist's point of view, knowing what I think
Speaker 7: is the real priorities for this country, the government's already
Speaker 7: showing its hands. They are spending too much. The tax
Speaker 7: burden on Australians is too high. We are running an
Speaker 7: experiment with growing government like we haven't seen in our past.
Speaker 7: At the same time we're seeing one of the biggest
Speaker 7: shocks to the world economy since nineteen forty five. And
Speaker 7: I think the real issue is is this government up
Speaker 7: for this challenge? And I am worried it's not the
Speaker 7: question now is can Taylor take on the job, And
Speaker 7: I think tonight he show that he can that question.
Speaker 3: Though you know voters are or they should be if
Speaker 3: they're not concerned about the trillion dollars of debt that
Speaker 3: Australia would reach under the Albanesi government next financial year.
Speaker 3: But then when Ross Green would turn that back on
Speaker 3: Taylor and he said to Taylor, will what would you cut?
Speaker 3: That was a difficult moment in this debate because Taylor
Speaker 3: couldn't really answer beyond the renewable energy plan.
Speaker 7: And that's the problem with being in opposition. We saw
Speaker 7: Bill Shorten lose an unlosable election to Scott Morrison because
Speaker 7: of a big suite of some really good policies, but
Speaker 7: it was too much for the electric to handle. John
Speaker 7: Houston's the classic back in nineteen ninety three. So the
Speaker 7: opposition has got this really tricky ground to navigate to
Speaker 7: say they're going to do things differently, to demonstrate it
Speaker 7: without giving the government the material for a scare campaign.
Speaker 7: The reality is, if you are going to unwind just
Speaker 7: the bracket creep, if you're going to give back to
Speaker 7: the Australian people the increased real tax burden that has
Speaker 7: happened under this government. That is sixty odd billion a
Speaker 7: year of cutting. Now, no government's going to do that,
Speaker 7: but that's the magnitude of it. So there's no way
Speaker 7: to address that because it'll just give them reasons to
Speaker 7: run a scare cam. But he has made it clear
Speaker 7: and Dunton has made it clear they are going to
Speaker 7: restrain government spending and I think that is the most
Speaker 7: important point.
Speaker 3: I mean, the question that Screen would put to Jim Chalmers,
Speaker 3: will you apologize for the two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 3: dollars You know, it is such a difficult question for
Speaker 3: the Treasurer to answer because that was an obvious promise
Speaker 3: that was made at the last election that your power
Speaker 3: bills will be two dred seventy five dollars cheaper.
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd think Australians would be furious about that.
Speaker 3: But again, has the Coalition properly pinned that to alban
Speaker 3: Easy and charm Well.
Speaker 7: I think actually Taylor made a very good effort at
Speaker 7: highlighting that the government and the treasure in particular, is
Speaker 7: very good at blaming other people for the problems, making
Speaker 7: it the Ukraine War, making it something going on with tariffs,
Speaker 7: so that they will not, and that's important because not
Speaker 7: accepting that you are part of the mix means that
Speaker 7: for people who are struggling, you're part of the problem.
Speaker 7: And I think Taylor did actually get that out there.
Speaker 7: But to your point, I don't think. I think this
Speaker 7: is one of the most effective examples of that because
Speaker 7: they haven't been doing that.
Speaker 2: In your mind, was there a clear winner tonight?
Speaker 7: I angus Taylor had everything to gain and the Treasure
Speaker 7: had everything to lose, and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: So who won?
Speaker 7: I think it's Taylor showed that he is a genuine
Speaker 7: alternative because he knows what's going on and he understands
Speaker 7: the issues.
Speaker 3: All right, Warren Hogan, thank you so much, appreciate your
Speaker 3: time as always.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get more analysis on who won tonight's debate,
Speaker 3: and I hope they have a firm view as well,
Speaker 3: with former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and labor
Speaker 3: legend Graham Richardson. Gentlemen, welcome to you both. Kroger, how
Speaker 3: do you think the debate tonight went?
Speaker 2: Who won?
Speaker 8: Well, if you look at it from a political point
Speaker 8: of view, if it was some kind of university debate.
Speaker 8: Jim Chalmers won because he's got all the funny tricky
Speaker 8: lines like oh you Dunton's got all these secret cuts
Speaker 8: to pay for his nuclear policy. But if you're looking
Speaker 8: at it seriously as a rivalry between two candidates for
Speaker 8: the treasurership of Australia, then Angus Taylor won easily. I mean,
Speaker 8: these debating formats do not suit charmers, right, because the
Speaker 8: longer they go, the more you're found out on substance. Now,
Speaker 8: this is not a fair fight. On the one hand,
Speaker 8: you've got Taylor, who's a Rhodes scholar, right, He's a
Speaker 8: Rhodes scholar. Jim's got a university degree, but you know,
Speaker 8: to be fair, he doesn't have.
Speaker 1: The intellect that Taylor's got.
Speaker 8: And I don't want to be academic a lead us here,
Speaker 8: but to be a great treasure in this country, you've
Speaker 8: got to really be academically excellent. Freedenberg keeping him though
Speaker 8: it didn't have a uned degree, brilliant mind a Costello
Speaker 8: and this bloke Taylor, right, you need to have a
Speaker 8: phenomenal intellect and that's what Taylor's got. That's why the
Speaker 8: longer it goes, the more they talk about substantial thing.
Speaker 8: Taylor just Oozer's class and intellect.
Speaker 1: Jim.
Speaker 8: Jim's good on the retail, secret cuts and the stuff.
Speaker 8: But it's Jim's a commentator. That's what he is. The economy.
Speaker 8: He's never been running the economy. The economy is running Jim.
Speaker 8: You know, he was the surplus king for a while.
Speaker 8: Now he's a deficit king. Jim's not in charge of anything.
Speaker 8: He just floats along in the boat down the river
Speaker 8: telling us what's happening. So the answer is Taylor, because
Speaker 8: he's got substance.
Speaker 3: All right, rich O, I'll go to you for a
Speaker 3: response to what Michael Kroger has just said it And also,
Speaker 3: who do you think gave the best performance tonight?
Speaker 9: Yeah, we must have been watching different debates. I think
Speaker 9: I thought that both sides did pretty well. I don't
Speaker 9: think there's a massively clear winner, but I do think
Speaker 9: charmers at his nose in front as they passed the
Speaker 9: winning post.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't think there was a clear winner either.
Speaker 3: I think both, as I said, both politicians were very sharp,
Speaker 3: they were both on message, they both prosecuted their arguments well.
Speaker 3: They both had cutting lines as we saw. But ultimately
Speaker 3: this is a cost of living election, and you know
Speaker 3: it's going to be up to who can convince voters
Speaker 3: that they can And it's not even about managing the
Speaker 3: economy better, which is what the coalition's line is, who
Speaker 3: can put more money back into their pockets. And those comments,
Speaker 3: I mean, we call them vox pops, those comments that
Speaker 3: we heard from voters. Right in the middle of that debate,
Speaker 3: when we heard that one woman say she's been a
Speaker 3: labor voter her whole life, but now her grocery bill
Speaker 3: has gone up from eighty dollars a week to one
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty dollars a week now, I reckon that's
Speaker 3: a sentiment that most voters would be feeling. She said
Speaker 3: she's definitely not voting Alban easy, but she's not voting
Speaker 3: for Dutton either.
Speaker 2: So Michael, do you think this is why.
Speaker 3: We're seeing such a large soft vote here.
Speaker 8: I think that's right, and it's evidenced by what happened
Speaker 8: last night. That's incredible debate last night between Peter Dutton
Speaker 8: and the Prime Minister. Fascinating viewing. When Kier and Gilbert
Speaker 8: ask the audience through up the hand if they're doing
Speaker 8: it hard. Half half put the hand up. Some people say,
Speaker 8: oh gee, that wasn't a big number. Some say it
Speaker 8: was a lot. The truth of the matter is this,
Speaker 8: Australians are proud people. No one likes to go on
Speaker 8: national television admit that they're financially struggling very badly, right, No,
Speaker 8: So the fact that half of the people put the
Speaker 8: hand up basically means that all of them wanted to
Speaker 8: put their hand up.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: People are shy, They're not going to be on national tellier.
Speaker 8: They've all got financial problems. No one likes to admit that.
Speaker 8: So the fact of the matter is that last night
Speaker 8: indicated and the vox pops today, this election debate is
Speaker 8: now starting to get onto the substantial, substantive issue, not
Speaker 8: all the noise we've seen our last week and half.
Speaker 8: People are now starting to focus on the main issue
Speaker 8: confronting Australia, and it's the economic crisis we're in, the
Speaker 8: economic crisis that's coming for overseas reads that we all
Speaker 8: know about, and who best is the party to deal
Speaker 8: with that. So you've got Peter Dutton and an Angus
Speaker 8: Taylor against Albow and Charmers. And that's why I think
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton in the end and Angus Taylor will win.
Speaker 3: You still think they'll win, Michael, I go to Richro
Speaker 3: but you think they will win this election?
Speaker 1: I do, Yes, I do, all right.
Speaker 8: I think in the Inchari people ask themselves do I
Speaker 8: want the next three is to be like the last three?
Speaker 1: And the answer will we know?
Speaker 3: RICHI what do you think is Peter Darton Moore back
Speaker 3: in the game now? Does he have more momentum after
Speaker 3: his excellent performance last night?
Speaker 9: I think he's never been out of the game. He's
Speaker 9: in it and he's in it to win it. It's
Speaker 9: just that he's not going to when the crunch comes.
Speaker 9: Elbow wins this election, in my view, he'll still have
Speaker 9: a majority on his own.
Speaker 3: Look, you both are on my panel every single Wednesday night,
Speaker 3: so when we get closer to the election, we're going
Speaker 3: to get an exact seat prediction from you both. But
Speaker 3: you know you're both experienced commentators. Richard, you're saying Labour's
Speaker 3: going to win. Michael, you're saying Dutton's going to win. Michael,
Speaker 3: you'd be in the minority view at the moment given.
Speaker 2: What the polls are showing.
Speaker 3: But Darton, I know, is certainly confident that he can
Speaker 3: get there. You know, it's difficult right now because even
Speaker 3: with so yeah, go for it.
Speaker 8: Well accept the red Bridge view that Samaris guy is
Speaker 8: very bright, and Tony Barry and that mob down there,
Speaker 8: they have a very large number of undersided voters. I
Speaker 8: mean where you know, ten days away from pre pole,
Speaker 8: where almost a month away, three and a half weeks
Speaker 8: away from the election. The main issue that's been confronting
Speaker 8: the electorate over the last couple of years, the seventy
Speaker 8: percent argument, the throbbing issue facing Australia today has not
Speaker 8: been the substantive issue of the last week.
Speaker 1: And a half.
Speaker 8: So people are going to very soon get onto the
Speaker 8: cost of living issue. You could see it last night
Speaker 8: and tonight you could see it today when Adam Bantter
Speaker 8: has now put up he read his ugly political head,
Speaker 8: which is going to be another massive problem for alban
Speaker 8: easy to do with you know, their arrangement in government.
Speaker 8: So the policy debate is now turning towards what helps
Speaker 8: the coalition, what helps Peter Dutton.
Speaker 3: Well, what certainly didn't help Albin Ezy today Richro was
Speaker 3: Adam Bant's intervention, his speech where he outlined all of
Speaker 3: the radical demands that he'd make of Albinizi in the
Speaker 3: case of a hung parliament, and you could see how
Speaker 3: angry alben Ezy was towards journalists unnecessarily.
Speaker 2: In reaction to that. But Rich, you know, what did
Speaker 2: you think of that?
Speaker 3: Because at some point, if there is a hung parliament,
Speaker 3: Albo will have to do a deal with the likes
Speaker 3: of the radical extremist Adam Bant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Well that wouldn't be a pleasant thing to have to do,
Speaker 9: but in politics, you do what you have to do,
Speaker 9: and even if you have to hold your nose while
Speaker 9: you're doing it, you do so. And that's what Alba
Speaker 9: will have to do. You can't you know, Labour is
Speaker 9: not going to get a majority in its own right.
Speaker 9: I think realistically, I love them too, and there is
Speaker 9: some answer it. But I think if we're being realistic
Speaker 9: and hung parliament's probably more likely.
Speaker 3: It's not just about holding Albo's nose because he has
Speaker 3: a distaste.
Speaker 2: Of the Greens. I mean, this would be terrible for
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 8: Michael well Chary to be shocking. I mean, Albo just
Speaker 8: doesn't want to announce he's doing a deal with the
Speaker 8: Greens on preferences because he knows it will go down
Speaker 8: badly amongst the eighty eight percent of a stranger don't
Speaker 8: vote for the Greens. But on the other hand, I
Speaker 8: think this albow has always been a member of.
Speaker 1: The hard left his whole life.
Speaker 8: When you look at Albanese's closest international which leader, current
Speaker 8: or former internationally would ALBANIZI be closest.
Speaker 1: To of those that are alive today?
Speaker 8: Who was the person who's photographed with He went to visit,
Speaker 8: he spent time with him.
Speaker 1: I know he seemed to admire greatly.
Speaker 2: I know where you're going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 8: I know Jeremy right, Jeremy Corbyn. I'd like to know,
Speaker 8: by the way, how many times Jeremy Corbyn has been
Speaker 8: in contact with Albanezi since Albanici became Prime minister. That'd
Speaker 8: be very interesting to know how many times has he
Speaker 8: had he had conversations with or communications with Jeremy Corbyn.
Speaker 8: So when people say, oh, he'll, you know, hate being
Speaker 8: in coalition with the Greens on foreign policy, would he
Speaker 8: really object?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're out of time, rich O, Michael,
Speaker 3: great to have you as always. Okay, we're going to
Speaker 3: take a quick break then after I'll show you just
Speaker 3: how testy Albanezi got today plus wine Liberal candidates like
Speaker 3: Roe Knox and Tim Wilson keep having their posters stolen.
Speaker 2: I'll be back in a minute.
Speaker 3: Welcome backward, joining me now, Shadow Home Affairs Minister and
Speaker 3: Coalition campaign spokesman James Patterson.
Speaker 2: James, thanks for your time. Well, let's start with the
Speaker 2: debate that we've just.
Speaker 3: Seen tonight with there any standout moments for you, Charry.
Speaker 10: What a contrast. On the one hand, Angus Taylor, someone
Speaker 10: of seriousness and substance who's thought deeply about the problems
Speaker 10: facing the Australian economy and has the ideas and the
Speaker 10: solutions to fix it, a clear economic plan, and Jim
Speaker 10: Chalmers someone who's a smooth talker who's got a lot
Speaker 10: of sharp lines, but he's got no solutions. He didn't
Speaker 10: even have any empathy for the damage that his government
Speaker 10: has done to the Australian people over the last three
Speaker 10: years with the cost of living, let alone any solutions
Speaker 10: to those problems that he's caused. So I think it
Speaker 10: was a perfect contrast of the difference between the choice
Speaker 10: that Australians face at this election. A clear economic plan
Speaker 10: to get us through these difficult times, or just more
Speaker 10: of the same from Anthony Alberizi and his team.
Speaker 3: We saw the leader's debate last night and Darton repeatedly
Speaker 3: claimed that Albanezi was dishonest.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that. If we've got.
Speaker 11: It, it's misleading, it's designed to scare people, and I
Speaker 11: think it's dishonest from a man who wants to be
Speaker 11: re elected as the Prime Minister of our country. Anthony,
Speaker 11: with respect, that's a very dishonest proposition. I've heard the
Speaker 11: Prime Minister run this st before that only needs you
Speaker 11: Medicare card.
Speaker 1: It's not true.
Speaker 3: Is this a deliberate plan James to paint the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister as a liar.
Speaker 1: Show?
Speaker 10: The Prime Minister is lying so much in this campaign
Speaker 10: he can't even keep up with his own lies. He
Speaker 10: contradicted himself in last night's debate, both admitting that we
Speaker 10: were going to spend exactly what Labor proposers to spend
Speaker 10: on Medicare and accusing us of cutting Medicare. So in
Speaker 10: a sense of helpfulness, the Coalition campaign headquarters has established
Speaker 10: Albow's live lie tracker. We've caught him lying twenty three
Speaker 10: times since the start of this election, including seven times
Speaker 10: in last night's debate. And it's a free public resource,
Speaker 10: so Labor campaign headquarters can log on and get that
Speaker 10: and keep the Prime Minister up to date with all
Speaker 10: the lies he's telling.
Speaker 2: All right, so I guess we can expect to see
Speaker 2: more of that.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister got quite testy today when he was
Speaker 3: asked about Adam Bannt's comments.
Speaker 12: Have a look, can you rule that any changes to
Speaker 12: negative gearing and capital gains?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: How hard is it for the fiftieth time?
Speaker 12: Just here, just here, just here to form a government?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about?
Speaker 9: Sorry?
Speaker 12: If the Greens come to you and you need their
Speaker 12: vote to pass legislation, will you rule out changing negative
Speaker 12: gearing settings and capital gains?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: And you might have noticed.
Speaker 2: I mean you're a state correspondent.
Speaker 1: But let me explain.
Speaker 5: There are twenty five votes we have in the Senate
Speaker 5: in order to get legislation through. We're in that situation,
Speaker 5: have been in that situation for this entire term.
Speaker 3: They're so patronizing in rude James. Does this tell you
Speaker 3: it's a sole point for the Prime Minister?
Speaker 10: The Prime Minister gets very prickly and very sensitive when
Speaker 10: he's questioned about topics that he knows are damaging and
Speaker 10: that he knows he has to lie. Every Australian knows
Speaker 10: if the Prime Minister falls short as the polls predict
Speaker 10: he will of a majority, that there's nothing that would
Speaker 10: stop him from doing a deal with Adam Bant and
Speaker 10: the Greens to form government. Everyone knows that, and so
Speaker 10: he can't answer that question. Honestly, all he can do
Speaker 10: is have that kind of patronizing put downs for journalists.
Speaker 10: But I hope the gallery keeps pressing him on this.
Speaker 10: I hope they keep asking until Australians hopefully get a
Speaker 10: straight answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Just on another topic, posters for the Liberal candidate for Wentworth,
Speaker 3: Roe Knox, also Tim Wilson keep getting pulled down and stolen.
Speaker 3: This is so frustrating for their volunteers. How much of
Speaker 3: a problem is this for Liberal candidates like Roeknox and Wilson.
Speaker 10: It's certainly frustrating. It's expensive and it's time consuming. And
Speaker 10: the thing that might interest you in your viewers, Shari,
Speaker 10: is that this does happen from time to time in
Speaker 10: marginal suburban seats where the contest is put between the
Speaker 10: Liberal Party in the Labor Party. It does occasionally happen,
Speaker 10: but the place where it's happening most often is not
Speaker 10: in those seats. It's in teal seats. It's Teal candidates
Speaker 10: James support.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to interrupt you to a stealing them.
Speaker 3: I'm so so try to interrupt. You're out of time.
Speaker 3: I see you are tomorrow. And here's Paul Murray