Speaker 1: So I thought I was gonna win the Brownlow. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: Welcome to Sacked, a podcast that explores what really happens
Speaker 3: when the ax falls in the AFL world. We'll take
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Speaker 2: It's hard being a star. The never boring footy life
Speaker 2: of Greg Diesel Williams. He was the kid in leg
Speaker 2: Irons who couldn't run out of sight, rejected twice by
Speaker 2: Carlton as a teenager, who became one of the game's
Speaker 2: greatest players. Greg Williams always believed he was the best,
Speaker 2: and he showed just how good he was as a
Speaker 2: Geelong Best and Fires winner, a Swan's and Blues Brownlow winner,
Speaker 2: and the ninet ninety five Norm Smith medallist. And controversy
Speaker 2: was never far away either. Greg Williams, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Brownlow Medals, a Normal Smith Medal, the Premiership, some Best
Speaker 2: and fairest. You're pretty bloody good, won't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a pretty good record I have and a
Speaker 1: lot of hard work, but yeah, it ended up really
Speaker 1: well at the end.
Speaker 2: Even early doors like growing up. I think you were
Speaker 2: the third of eight kids growing up and you had
Speaker 2: calipers on your leg early that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for a year I had irons on my legs
Speaker 1: for a year for straighten my legs, which they did
Speaker 1: in those days.
Speaker 4: They don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a battle, but a yeah mum said,
Speaker 1: didn't stop me.
Speaker 4: I just kept swinging around.
Speaker 2: With the calipers.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was all part of growing up.
Speaker 1: But I had a great family and mum had over
Speaker 1: one hundred foster kids.
Speaker 4: Is a mum really? Dad?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was a pretty unreal family we had.
Speaker 1: And yeah, mum and dad's still going and wow, there's
Speaker 1: a different upbringing.
Speaker 3: So I hate kids, but also welcoming. So many people
Speaker 3: assume in changing circumstances into family. What was that like
Speaker 3: for my day to day existence?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like get home, there'd be a couple
Speaker 1: of babies there, or a couple of young kids running around,
Speaker 1: or yeah, stay for a week or a month, or
Speaker 1: a couple stayed for a year a couple of kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool and they actually it's not football, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they came back when they were about twenty eight, see
Speaker 1: mom and dad. Yeah they Yeah, they're just so thankful
Speaker 1: for what they did.
Speaker 2: And do you still keep in contact with some of them? Occasionally?
Speaker 1: Not a lot of My mom does. She gets cards
Speaker 1: and stuff still and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So it's pretty good upbringing. It's other than that.
Speaker 4: She adopted the last two, did she Yeah, John I
Speaker 4: and Hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was and that was a really sad story,
Speaker 1: those two.
Speaker 4: But then I've just done so well as well.
Speaker 3: Mark Robinson talks about you were pretty good. He was
Speaker 3: pretty good as well. Did you come through the same
Speaker 3: vintage robber Or said, yeah, Greg Williams had me and
Speaker 3: maybe a couple of others. But did you play in
Speaker 3: the same vintage A Robo or?
Speaker 4: I think I'm not sure, ol Rubbo he's old than me.
Speaker 1: He's a bit young and probably but oh he was Sanders,
Speaker 1: which we didn't like them. We didn't like them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a great time growing up in Benyo. Go
Speaker 1: one square, yeah, and then the two pre seasons got
Speaker 1: the ass from Carlton twice, So yeah, I was devastating,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I really needed it. I got fit like
Speaker 1: I wasn't fit. Dad used to say, I used to
Speaker 1: walk around and get forty possessions, you know. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I did it really easily, like yeah, not you.
Speaker 3: Know, standing in the Senate square you get to the stoppage,
Speaker 3: but not spreading as you got.
Speaker 4: I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I just got the ball time and which became a habit.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I had to train. I actually did two
Speaker 1: praisons that really helped me. They went to Geelong of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I wrote to Tom Aphy and he asked.
Speaker 1: You wrote, Yeah, what do you remember what you said
Speaker 1: in the latter? Yeah, just give me an opportunity I
Speaker 1: want to go. Yeah, and they knew me. Geelong recruiters
Speaker 1: knew me and said, yeah, bringing down And I was
Speaker 1: lucky enough to and another hard preseason like I did
Speaker 1: three in a row, like yeah, I really needed it,
Speaker 1: and yeah.
Speaker 4: And I was ready then I was really ready to go.
Speaker 2: Were determined to like prove the bastards wrong. But what
Speaker 2: went wrong at Carlton do you think, like, other than
Speaker 2: the fact they had some of the best.
Speaker 4: I think it was fitness stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really so who did you work with there?
Speaker 4: Well, to south Come was my coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he played a Carlton and we did for half
Speaker 1: a season, went back to Benygo, but he was a
Speaker 1: marathon sort of running. I did a couple of seasons
Speaker 1: with in pro season running like ten K ten K's
Speaker 1: you know, like I still remember it.
Speaker 4: And I was a plumber with dad. Sons were as well.
Speaker 1: But like we we did stuff like we go to
Speaker 1: work Eagle Hawk do a job and he made me
Speaker 1: run home. I run the train like like whatever it
Speaker 1: was from work, just run the train and you know
Speaker 1: I did it. And there wasn't many players doing that.
Speaker 1: It wasn't so I did. I did work really hard
Speaker 1: on it and eventually went to Geelong And.
Speaker 2: Did you want to prove him wrong Carton?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, it was definitely in the termination to
Speaker 4: make it. Actually there's a few players Ricky Nick and
Speaker 4: I grew up with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he made it Chicken. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if he can make it, I can make it.
Speaker 4: That was seriously, that did help me.
Speaker 5: I really did.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so that was yeah Geelong and then I
Speaker 1: was lucky enough did a pre season there and then
Speaker 1: obviously got a game. First game in eighty four four
Speaker 1: with Garry Seniors. First game for Gelong as well. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: Mick Turner's captain and I was in the middle. So
Speaker 1: it's a cool day and I I will I struggled
Speaker 1: at half time. I had twenty at half time. Really
Speaker 1: it was a real good start. But then yeah I
Speaker 1: had thirty eight my first game, Like that was my
Speaker 1: best day ever and three.
Speaker 2: Brown obots first start, Like you must think you worked
Speaker 2: so hard to get there?
Speaker 4: Is this it was?
Speaker 1: It was a great day and that was still my
Speaker 1: favorite day knowing really all the just just because of
Speaker 1: how hard it was to get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. What was Gary Ablett scene? You Like,
Speaker 2: I think for a time there you might have been
Speaker 2: when you got your first job at Geelong.
Speaker 4: You might have been working seats to the club. And that'suff.
Speaker 5: Was.
Speaker 4: He a good works horrendous be late. It wouldn't turn up.
Speaker 1: Pretty much like the way he played, He wouldn't train
Speaker 1: like he's amazing, that guy.
Speaker 4: He's my favorite player for as well.
Speaker 2: Just watching you. Yeah, take it.
Speaker 3: Through what what you saw? Obviously we saw it. You
Speaker 3: know what did you say it was different?
Speaker 4: I saw?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the best athlete I ever saying best player
Speaker 1: ever saying, and most ability anyone's ever had.
Speaker 4: I've ever seen. Yeah, all those things, all the.
Speaker 1: Ones, Oh stupid things you want, Like he could kick
Speaker 1: sixty five minutes both feet jump his average marks, but
Speaker 1: like an arms length above everyone else is the average one.
Speaker 1: And then he takes back he's as well, Like he's
Speaker 1: just amazing. And one of the stupid things I watched.
Speaker 1: I remember do a run throughs all the time with Tommy.
Speaker 1: You do high knees and stuff, just running through the
Speaker 1: square with the high knees, and I'd be next to him.
Speaker 4: And seriously, he'd be hitting him knee and his jaw.
Speaker 1: I'm there just jogging like a hack runner, and he's
Speaker 1: just this machine, is like a piston, Like he was
Speaker 1: so fast and powerful.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's just nothing like it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you finished in ninety five.
Speaker 3: So for those there that are listening to this podcast
Speaker 3: for the first time, they're thinking, he's getting these forties,
Speaker 3: will be so good. That'd be humble about it. You
Speaker 3: saw the ball, well, you had great hands. Tell us
Speaker 3: about what made you a good player? You know why
Speaker 3: you'd feel confident going into every game.
Speaker 4: I think it goes back to the way I was.
Speaker 1: I had a bigger brother, John, who was bigger than
Speaker 1: me and tougher than me, and I was brought up
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 4: That helped.
Speaker 1: That helped a lot, but even just skills and development,
Speaker 1: like I'm big on that now, still living, But I
Speaker 1: had no I'd ever en covered in regards to both feet,
Speaker 1: both hands and anticipation. I knew I was good at it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew I was in close. And I always don't
Speaker 1: know whays talk about it, but I talk about the
Speaker 1: secret that the game is creating the loose man like
Speaker 1: it always has been it always will be. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of hard to do now because of the defense,
Speaker 1: but that's what I did better than anyone. I created
Speaker 1: the loose man with handballs and kicking and looking out
Speaker 1: further and seeing guys in the open.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what I did.
Speaker 3: What was what were those heady days that J're long, Like,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you're working your ass off, and
Speaker 3: you know, twenty and twenty one was probably late at
Speaker 3: that stage where if you didn't get drafted at times,
Speaker 3: you know you were past it almost.
Speaker 5: What was that like early on?
Speaker 3: And as you said, that extraordinary center line and you're
Speaker 3: away in your AFL career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cool. I loved it down there.
Speaker 1: Mcturnal's captain had a great relationship with him. I only
Speaker 1: played twelve games my first year. I won the best
Speaker 1: first year playing in the AFL. Did you did my
Speaker 1: what's great? And missed the rest of the year. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I went to the World of Sport for that. I
Speaker 1: won the hamball competition same day.
Speaker 4: And I got the I gave you this. I was
Speaker 4: a recliner, lazy boy, was called Moran famous, Maranne reclined
Speaker 4: and I've still got it, Jaging. This is the worst
Speaker 4: president I've had. You still got saturd in my whole life.
Speaker 5: That it's in your private place in the living room.
Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
Speaker 3: So you do your name and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: Then so second year, another big pre season, so you did.
Speaker 4: Had to do another one? Yeah, and got fit. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I was fine.
Speaker 1: I was fine after the rest and got back and yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually had one of my biggest yees in eighty five.
Speaker 1: I won the best off and I got over six
Speaker 1: hundred and something possession likes the world w.
Speaker 2: Six seventy five three ninety nine handballs.
Speaker 5: It was a lot brown Over it's fourth behind Brad Hardy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nearly my best year that one. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then one of the best first and then got married
Speaker 1: that December. The whole g long forty team came and
Speaker 1: then I went to Sydney.
Speaker 4: So he wasn't a great wedding.
Speaker 2: So were you already you'd already checked out at Geelong
Speaker 2: when you had the wedding and tom the sack, doesn't he?
Speaker 4: Yeah? He does.
Speaker 2: How were you with Tommy? Tommy was great, gave you
Speaker 2: the opportunity early and yeah, pissed off when he got.
Speaker 4: The sack, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, he asked me to go to Sydney
Speaker 1: with him and Edison, so and that just turned into a.
Speaker 4: Offered too good to refuse in the end.
Speaker 6: Well, of course, matter of the weekend, so far as
Speaker 6: football was concerned, Doctor jeff Eddleston after purchasing on Wednesday
Speaker 6: the Sydney Swans for more than six million dollars.
Speaker 3: So how did they pitch it to you, Edilton at
Speaker 3: the rialto is that right? With wives and partners?
Speaker 5: He did?
Speaker 1: Mary came and we met him. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 1: a unreal meeting. He said, come up and put the
Speaker 1: offer in front of us, and I thought it would
Speaker 1: go on. Can't be serious, you know, And we went
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 4: But what was the offer?
Speaker 2: You remember what it was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred fifty thousand, and what would you long
Speaker 1: offering fifty thirty two or something like that?
Speaker 3: Like I said that. So at one stage there they
Speaker 3: are offering forty five and you said give me an
Speaker 3: extra five and they said, no, is that is that right?
Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, it might have been ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was like ten grand more or something.
Speaker 3: And they didn't want to match it. They didn't want
Speaker 3: to not even match it. They didn't want to give
Speaker 3: you the extra ten.
Speaker 2: But yeah, because did you really want to leave or
Speaker 2: was it? No?
Speaker 4: I didn't.
Speaker 1: Actually I was country and I loved it there. And
Speaker 1: like the last thing I thought I'd be doing is
Speaker 1: going to Sydney.
Speaker 4: Last thing.
Speaker 3: So it's a lot when when you know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: if he writes it on a serviette verbals won fifteen,
Speaker 3: you think, and this is life changing money.
Speaker 4: It was, it really was. And then the thing we
Speaker 4: went up to Sydney might have.
Speaker 1: Been a month later, and he had the medical center
Speaker 1: in Sydney. It was amazing anyway, we've gone in there
Speaker 1: and my wife was on fire, so we've gone in
Speaker 1: there one hundred and fifty seven. Mary said we need
Speaker 1: a car, so he said, yeah, you can have a car.
Speaker 1: And then she said you've got to pay a rent
Speaker 1: for three years and he said, yeah, okay, we'll pay
Speaker 1: your rents. Well, wow, was good better good negotiations.
Speaker 5: Described Jeffrey Edelston to those who are for younger friends.
Speaker 2: Flamboyant, controversial, everything.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: He had the pink helicopter. He is married to Leanne
Speaker 2: who had the I own the Owner message on the
Speaker 2: back of her pink What was it like that heady
Speaker 2: days with with the doc.
Speaker 1: That was like heally came up and to Bolon and
Speaker 1: Colon and like there was some yeah, serious recruiting done
Speaker 1: and they already had some good, really good players there
Speaker 1: and yeah, we just started training and then it's a
Speaker 1: bit embarrassing because there's that there's no club there as such.
Speaker 1: Like it was just people don't understand how bad it was.
Speaker 1: It was like we couldn't train on the CG and
Speaker 1: we played there, but we couldn't train on it, and
Speaker 1: we're just training in the car park or the overall
Speaker 1: the park or wherever it was. It was really horrendous.
Speaker 1: Actually show grounds. Yeah, it's cowshit everywhere. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just horrendous.
Speaker 5: Feel like a frontier or I feel like what's going
Speaker 5: on here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's blokes even a couple of years in
Speaker 1: there's still blokes traveling up on Thursday playing on the
Speaker 1: weak ground. And yeah, like we finished on top the
Speaker 1: first two years I was there.
Speaker 4: It was. It was pretty amazing what Tommy.
Speaker 1: Did and we actually did to be able to do
Speaker 1: that under the circumstances because there's no guts to the club.
Speaker 4: What's that?
Speaker 5: What would you do?
Speaker 3: Like what was your post match and like where did
Speaker 3: you sort of meet and where would you know post
Speaker 3: Thursday to know when you're going to get selected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we train probably the showgrounds of most and then
Speaker 1: we have a team meeting.
Speaker 4: You tell us tom it ring it Friday night and tell.
Speaker 1: You in the team on I yeah, yeah, Friday probably,
Speaker 1: But you always ring and talk to you Yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: I know you to be you know, it's just pretty similar.
Speaker 1: But it was just you always waited for the call,
Speaker 1: like I think it's just checking anyone's own.
Speaker 4: No, that was that was the cool thing. But I
Speaker 4: struggled my first year. And see now on the brown low.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, thirty seven disposed of two
Speaker 2: goals first game and then you're in the brown lay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. So that was pretty cool in my
Speaker 4: first year. And I love the c J as well.
Speaker 1: It was a did it suit you a bit as well?
Speaker 1: That that sort of ground? Every ground suited me, but
Speaker 1: that one suited me more. Did I love playing there?
Speaker 2: What's so special about that year? You? You were guys
Speaker 2: brought in from a whole lot of different clubs, but
Speaker 2: somehow you made it work to finish on top of
Speaker 2: the lane ADR and unfortunately you had to share the brow.
Speaker 2: Oh that's you. Probably Dipper only went for the free feed,
Speaker 2: didn't he.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool Dipper and I get on.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah he did well. He came tenth and the
Speaker 1: best and fairest that you. Yeah, but he's on the
Speaker 1: wing of course. And yeah he was a dirty player too.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you want it?
Speaker 5: You want to do?
Speaker 3: That's how much confience did you go into with games?
Speaker 3: Those days you're getting tagged? Are you're getting you know,
Speaker 3: could that we're untaggable? What was it like to describe
Speaker 3: those emotions.
Speaker 1: Oh, look, I often say it's like hard being a star,
Speaker 1: Like it really is so much pressure on you, and
Speaker 1: even today, like you can just see it in some players.
Speaker 1: But now I was like, I remember days where you
Speaker 1: know you're getting tagged, you know.
Speaker 4: You're struggling. At half time, the Empire has given you nothing.
Speaker 1: You've got John Worsfold trying to kill your on the
Speaker 1: half back flak, another bloke on the wing trying to
Speaker 1: kill you. And then you're going at half time and
Speaker 1: Tommy says, come on those to win the game for us,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's and that's what it was like.
Speaker 1: It was like, and I wanted to do that. You know,
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved all of it, but I
Speaker 1: did and I obviously thresht out sometimes and you know,
Speaker 1: you just get frustrated your belts someone or whatever.
Speaker 3: That's what I watched the first couple of minutes and
Speaker 3: the ninety five Grand Final. I said, you're finishing ninety five.
Speaker 3: You won the flag in ninety five. It was so violent,
Speaker 3: you know, from the first you get bashed, Dean Rice
Speaker 3: gets clobbered, and that was the first couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: Described it us what playing football was like in that
Speaker 3: ultra violent time.
Speaker 1: No, you had to, like you had to protect yourself,
Speaker 1: like I'm telling you, Yeah, those people trying to you
Speaker 1: shouldn't say killed me, but they were trying to knock
Speaker 1: me out. There's no idea. Yeah, definitely, every every game
Speaker 1: I played. I'm pretty proud of the fact I never
Speaker 1: break my nose. No one ever broke it.
Speaker 4: Lot of flakes tried.
Speaker 3: But so how did you How did you approach every
Speaker 3: contest and you're in one hundred contests?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the same.
Speaker 3: You had to so you're going in with a bit
Speaker 3: of self preference of preservation, but as soon as you
Speaker 3: take a short step, you don't get a footage.
Speaker 5: So that's a challenge.
Speaker 1: No, there's no doubt about amazing reflexes or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some pop vision, Yeah, I feel and that not a
Speaker 1: lot of players had to protect themselves like I.
Speaker 2: Who were the players you didn't like out there on
Speaker 2: the field. There would have been a few that consistently
Speaker 2: later on we get onto Reef and that favourite things.
Speaker 1: Like John There was players who, honestly, this is true
Speaker 1: in games like I'm not out there to bail people.
Speaker 1: I'm out there to try and get the footy and
Speaker 1: people trying to stop me getting that well, and they
Speaker 1: did whatever they could to do that, so and I
Speaker 1: got people got to spit suspended.
Speaker 4: For me, but I got them all back. Yeah, like
Speaker 4: that's the cool thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, So you waited for the moment and that was
Speaker 2: the Reeth Jones things later on. That was definitely what
Speaker 2: happened there. And Willis went fair at him again.
Speaker 1: And we'll see a similar procedure take place once more.
Speaker 7: It's David James and holding the jaw and that's why
Speaker 7: the cart and player jumped over the top and gave
Speaker 7: away the free kick because he saw what went on there.
Speaker 4: They are Reece James and Williams, neither of.
Speaker 7: The race walking on Williams here there was one gat
Speaker 7: just little niggling.
Speaker 5: Things, but there it is.
Speaker 4: It's quite a time.
Speaker 1: Oh Williams and Reece Jones are still going.
Speaker 2: When do you feeling here at this CG.
Speaker 1: Well, he's race was like his champion play that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he thought he was tough and he got
Speaker 1: knocked down a lot by a lot of different people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of blood of blokes actually punched him, and
Speaker 1: but he just refused to stop being upon the house
Speaker 1: on the ground like he was.
Speaker 4: And that's just what my favorite whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we talked now Rece and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say we're best mates, but we talked like, you
Speaker 1: know he's civil.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right. But that game and he's all has
Speaker 4: been dirty on may race, right.
Speaker 1: So that game when there's a bit of an omber
Speaker 1: all and I was on the ground fighting Bradley.
Speaker 4: Actually I was doing well.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that artbeat, but I reneed me from behind
Speaker 1: and broke my shoulder, right, So he's broke me this
Speaker 1: one here, yeah, scapular not to break. So he's breaking
Speaker 1: like this. I knew it was broken anyway. The next
Speaker 1: ball up he got and I broke his jaw next
Speaker 1: next minute and that was it Kingdom basically.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that.
Speaker 1: Was just something that you thought, well, he's giving me one,
Speaker 1: I gives off anyway. Yeah, you're not playing anyway.
Speaker 3: And that was that was That was what it was like.
Speaker 3: It was tribal, It was insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was stupid. It wasn't good.
Speaker 3: No, sorry, no, just those Sydney days were a cap
Speaker 3: You're kicking high scores, you're the Kings of the kids.
Speaker 5: You're playing Sunday foot that starts around that vino.
Speaker 2: It's been a Sunday footy then for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know you alive as a footballer in
Speaker 5: the town's alive with.
Speaker 4: Oh it was. It was like rugby league town and
Speaker 4: Warick's in the.
Speaker 1: Front of the the Herald and the Telegraph like he's
Speaker 1: on the front page taking the mark and stuff like.
Speaker 1: It was just unheard of. Yeah, and it was full
Speaker 1: every week. It was amazing. Yeah, s o g was
Speaker 1: full and it was just pumping and everyone just loved it.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately we got kicked out straight sets.
Speaker 2: Yeah what happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was no home finals, that was that was
Speaker 1: the biggest problem. So we had to come to Melbourne obviously,
Speaker 1: but we were unbeatable up there and yeah, we just
Speaker 1: didn't get the chance to do that, which would have
Speaker 1: obviously helped a lot.
Speaker 5: But this was a sense of injustice or that was
Speaker 5: just what Albourn was the maker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just Melbourne. That was why it was.
Speaker 1: But could you have one one if you are about
Speaker 1: when the Grand Final but we could have got to
Speaker 1: a grand fall Yeah absolutely, and work tell us about Wick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Warick?
Speaker 1: Wow, every quarter, so kicking me days al kicking me
Speaker 1: every quarter? Like, yeah he was I thought about that.
Speaker 1: He's about He acted like a fifteen year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he still does regrets he might have got so
Speaker 1: we can mark like l I could get jump on you.
Speaker 1: He was one step like he was a dangerous play on.
Speaker 1: He really Wasn't he down to goals?
Speaker 3: He was here and and did like did he drive
Speaker 3: you mad? Or was it like Warri's worrick and he's
Speaker 3: going to help our success?
Speaker 1: He drove me mad? He's apparent of the ass. But
Speaker 1: he was a lovable guy, like he.
Speaker 5: Really was him?
Speaker 1: Yeah he could and he yeah, he he was the
Speaker 1: biggest thing in Sydney.
Speaker 4: I never said him bloke have so many girls?
Speaker 1: Really he was Yeah, sorry, I'm not talking about yeah
Speaker 1: sex he or.
Speaker 4: Anything, but he had a hear him almost.
Speaker 1: He had a line up was amazing And I don't
Speaker 1: know why the girls like him.
Speaker 2: So the end of that eighty eight season, Tommy gets sacked.
Speaker 2: Was it time for Tommy? You go? Do you think
Speaker 2: were you had you sort of fallen out of love
Speaker 2: with Tommy?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, I never fallow loved him, but players you're so
Speaker 1: hard Yeah, like the players didn't go, they couldn't go
Speaker 1: with him. In the end, it was just three years
Speaker 1: of pounding the same drill, same the same Yeah, just
Speaker 1: get them down and they lose form of.
Speaker 4: It and they blame the coach of course, and you
Speaker 4: know the.
Speaker 1: Stuff, which I can understand a little bit why, but
Speaker 1: it didn't affect me.
Speaker 3: Explain t Shirt Tommy to us, you know, down the
Speaker 3: guts for those that don't. You know, he was beloved
Speaker 3: and he was a father figure.
Speaker 4: But he was a hard as he's ruthless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was it was all about the team,
Speaker 1: like he was such a good motivator, you know, us
Speaker 1: against them, it was always you know, it was the
Speaker 1: same and tackle and tough.
Speaker 4: But fitness was a big thing for him obviously.
Speaker 1: And I think the the Richmond days when he won
Speaker 1: three flakes that that was the biggest reason they wont
Speaker 1: it because they were so fit. You know, it was
Speaker 1: just a different level of fitness and and he just
Speaker 1: kept it going and he thought it was that was
Speaker 1: his mantary air.
Speaker 4: Train really hard, play hard and just keep going.
Speaker 1: But he's a great speaker as well, Like he was
Speaker 1: amazing talker, like motivator, like he was just just really
Speaker 1: good at it.
Speaker 4: And Maureen was another thing.
Speaker 1: Maren hap Yeah, absolutely, yeah, still best mates with my wife, Marian.
Speaker 1: She's ninety now, and yeah, what she did as well.
Speaker 1: And Mary helped a lot with the girls there, but
Speaker 1: the girls had more fun than us, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and that was that was a big part of it,
Speaker 1: because like I said, there's no club, no nothing, but
Speaker 1: there was Maureen you know as well.
Speaker 4: So that was was pretty cool part of it.
Speaker 3: The feeling was that some of your players they got
Speaker 3: sick of him. Was that one of the reasons he went,
Speaker 3: you know, unnamed player, you know here in the Herald Sun,
Speaker 3: the player. You know, all players get sick of coaches,
Speaker 3: but the senior players that Tommy perregiously had on side
Speaker 3: turned against him because they couldn't communicate with him.
Speaker 5: It's somethimes. It's just coach is time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I'm sure Jared he's not worried
Speaker 4: about tom Yeah, but I said there probably was a
Speaker 4: few work. Yeah, it probably was. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where and you're a bit.
Speaker 3: Nine and eighty nine fifty three disposals, six goals against Sea,
Speaker 3: twenty five kicks, five marks.
Speaker 5: A fantastic performance.
Speaker 3: According to Swan's coach colcon Here, Gregor is just a
Speaker 3: great player, a champion.
Speaker 5: What do you remember that day?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I did kick six goals as well. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I hit the post ones really was a kick seven
Speaker 1: I did. It's funny the things I remember. But now
Speaker 1: that was a yeah fifty three. That was actually my
Speaker 1: whole mantra. My whole career was to have forty every game.
Speaker 2: That was your plan.
Speaker 4: That was a quarter that was.
Speaker 1: I know that's never being done before, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: doing done then. But all I cared about is how
Speaker 1: many possesions I've got. Yeah, that's all the reason I
Speaker 1: trained for and practiced and train and run, and it's
Speaker 1: to get ten.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I think you did it fourteen times. You've
Speaker 3: got forty plus and obviously lots of high thairty. But
Speaker 3: so now you'd say you've got to be working in
Speaker 3: the team structure. But you know, if you got your forty,
Speaker 3: that would help the team. Yeah, takes cares of a
Speaker 3: lot of things. If you get forty, yeah better.
Speaker 1: There's not many issues with anyone. But I even like
Speaker 1: I always think I'm the biggest ball magnet that has
Speaker 1: ever been. I still believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you just just you knew where to go?
Speaker 2: Was that you basically knew where to go on the field.
Speaker 2: You're also Ralfie an amazing handballer. One of the great
Speaker 2: exponents of the handball. Was that something you worked on
Speaker 2: there was poly Farmer, was you know the great used
Speaker 2: to used to handball.
Speaker 4: Through long way card.
Speaker 2: Did you have any special tricks there, Diesel?
Speaker 1: Nah, Look, I don't no, nothing like like Bradman hitting
Speaker 1: the ball and it's nothing like that.
Speaker 4: And I'm not Bradman, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: So it the what I did was I practiced like
Speaker 1: if we're in a drill and I'm you're Craig Bradley there, Well,
Speaker 1: I'd always handled a Brett Ratton over there, or always longer,
Speaker 1: or the charging one, always the hard step. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think that was the mantra in the pattern of
Speaker 1: I practiced. And so if I went in a drill
Speaker 1: of training, like even it was circle work, I'd get
Speaker 1: the ball more than anyone in circle work or a
Speaker 1: handball drill or a kicking drill. And that's what I
Speaker 1: I really trained to do it. It just happened on
Speaker 1: the weekend as well.
Speaker 3: Did you have the flip of the flop of the
Speaker 3: over the top, did you have the touch one, the
Speaker 3: long one, the high spinning one. Did you have different
Speaker 3: types of handballs? Explain that to us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well handball is it's a swinging action and long
Speaker 4: arm action.
Speaker 1: Like it's pretty hard to explain on without showing you,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I could swing left and right handed and
Speaker 1: handball twenty twenty five meters like because of the action
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 4: It's not like so many bogs.
Speaker 1: Hamble ben handed and they can't have a leny when
Speaker 1: there as long and there is an art to.
Speaker 2: The really definitely, no doubt. Swans start to see me
Speaker 2: employ doc Doc Edleston has his own personal challenge and
Speaker 2: business challenges and in the middle of I think nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety everyone's got to take pay cuts and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You're stuck it out for a while. How tough with
Speaker 2: those times, No.
Speaker 4: It was horrendous. In the end we finished last couple
Speaker 4: of times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that wasn't good and there was no help from
Speaker 1: the fall in regards to recruiting. Actually, there's like the
Speaker 1: club sold Carey and long mives of North Melbourne, Like.
Speaker 2: My god, seventy thousand dollars, that's how.
Speaker 1: Desperate it were for money. And like if they came,
Speaker 1: it would have been fixed a lot of things. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there was no recruiting. There's no Yeah, there's just no nothing.
Speaker 3: How coupable was the AFL there when you could see
Speaker 3: what this team could be and what what you know,
Speaker 3: how they could expand into Sydney And yet you know,
Speaker 3: the NFL was sleep at the wheel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they really were, and they you can,
Speaker 1: I can say whatever they liked, but they were and
Speaker 1: it was, yeah, frustrating in the end. And then I
Speaker 1: decided enoughs enough, I'm going And they didn't like that either.
Speaker 1: They Yeah, they were spending me for six weeks. They
Speaker 1: spended you. And I think you cut a big fine
Speaker 1: twenty Grand final, which I've got a great story about
Speaker 1: Colo dropping off the check just so you could play
Speaker 1: the first game.
Speaker 2: Who made the first approach from Carlton? And what did
Speaker 2: you think, I'm not going back to this mob that?
Speaker 4: Oh no, I was happy that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't big. Jack Elliott is.
Speaker 1: My manager, yeah, and he yeah, there's a few clubs
Speaker 1: was interested.
Speaker 4: One day, I was the best player in the league.
Speaker 5: But it's good.
Speaker 3: We're interested, but Robert Harvey would have been part of
Speaker 3: the trade and they weren't prepared to do that.
Speaker 5: Silly for them giving you the best time in the league.
Speaker 4: It's not bad either, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I think you got to Carton and
Speaker 3: I think a deal of three one thousand dollars, which
Speaker 3: was the biggest deal in AFL history at the time.
Speaker 5: Is that right? A thousand Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: So tell us about what happened with Sydney and you know,
Speaker 3: potentially payments outside the cap.
Speaker 5: You were fine for that.
Speaker 1: And suspended to spend it because two contracts. Apparently I
Speaker 1: don't know how I do, but I do. That wasn't
Speaker 1: my doing.
Speaker 5: So you basically just did what Sydney asked you to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just put it content. They put the contracts
Speaker 2: in front of you. So they tried to push it
Speaker 2: because they were pissed off that you were leaving. And
Speaker 2: in the end they copped it as well, didn't they.
Speaker 2: How tough was that? You can't play for Carton initially
Speaker 2: and you've got a fighting twenty five thousand?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that was hard.
Speaker 2: Did you end up paying it or was it I
Speaker 2: paid it?
Speaker 4: Or didn't pay it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colo dropped the chest, but it still aws me
Speaker 1: twenty five and these.
Speaker 5: Days that would be sort of like shock horror.
Speaker 3: But it was a bit of like the the sign
Speaker 3: of the times, like that stuff was happening. There was
Speaker 3: stuff outside the salary cap. But they were pretty chaotic.
Speaker 1: Times and they didn't want me to leave. Of course
Speaker 1: they want me to stay. But yeah, did.
Speaker 2: You think they could fall over? Like they were in
Speaker 2: monumental trouble, that they might have gone out of existence.
Speaker 4: When you look at it now, what they what they
Speaker 4: turned into?
Speaker 2: Yeah, blood's culture. But it took a while, but it
Speaker 2: was so close to falling over. And that's part of
Speaker 2: the reason why you left that you you got a
Speaker 2: lot of good footy to play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was happy to stay there, but if yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, just care anything and long maira.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's just no recruiting, there's no nothing. What was future?
Speaker 2: No future? You felt like there was no future.
Speaker 4: There's no club there there's.
Speaker 2: No no nothing. What was it like walking into Carlton.
Speaker 1: It was a different story, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2: Place, facilities, players, Big John Elliott was probably in his prime.
Speaker 2: What was did it? Was he a part of the
Speaker 2: tell Us about was it a different thing than the
Speaker 2: doc Edilston scenario. This is Jack's a bit different. It
Speaker 2: was a bit different.
Speaker 4: He's a lot more confident in doc els than Look.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, tell us what it was like?
Speaker 1: He was like, he's very arrogant John, but that's what
Speaker 1: he was. He was just a big personality and.
Speaker 2: Scotty Carlton like a dog with a bone over this
Speaker 2: Greg Williams affair.
Speaker 6: Yes, they're really intensifying their campaign to give Williams for
Speaker 6: the first match Sandy.
Speaker 4: They've got their.
Speaker 6: Lawyers talking to league lawyers, papers going left, right and center,
Speaker 6: and the Blues realize after that Foster's Cup match, after
Speaker 6: that when they lost three players from being reported and
Speaker 6: one from injury, that they have to have Williams in
Speaker 6: the first match, and they're going all out the getting there.
Speaker 5: I think that the stories of the time, So you know,
Speaker 5: you obviously get suspend it. It's eleven weeks. Agains brought
Speaker 5: back to six.
Speaker 3: Colin drops a twenty five thousand dollars check off at
Speaker 3: AFL house in order for you to play, So he
Speaker 3: personally couriered that twenty five thousand dollars check gave you
Speaker 3: the orcle here to play on his way home last night.
Speaker 2: That story'd be the biggest thing teams was the man
Speaker 2: who wrote that story.
Speaker 5: Those stories now like that'd be the biggest story of
Speaker 5: a month. A great story, but it was just the
Speaker 5: drama of the day. There was so much happening in
Speaker 5: the AFL.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was, yeah, no, and yeah. I was just
Speaker 1: wrapped to get back to Carlen, I really was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you paid the twenty five. Colo definitely didn't know
Speaker 1: they didn't pay it. They might come good on it,
Speaker 1: Diesel Laster.
Speaker 4: All these years Colo, I saw another day.
Speaker 3: Alan Schwab said, if it's not paid, he can't play.
Speaker 3: He's got the billion knows what's going to happen. Speaking
Speaker 3: with Carlton, they're aware of that. I suppose when you're
Speaker 3: on throwing the ground, you're allowed to do that. How
Speaker 3: did that money change your life? How did it set
Speaker 3: you up in different ways?
Speaker 4: Actually three hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: I talk about this sometimes where I bought a house
Speaker 1: in accident and one of the best streets for four
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety thousand.
Speaker 4: Ye, So that's one way of helping you, no doubt
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 5: So still got that house.
Speaker 4: No, I haven't. I moved on from there.
Speaker 1: But like that house now players on one million or
Speaker 1: me and that house worth six million, so three hundred
Speaker 1: thousands a lot of money back then.
Speaker 4: Different it's obviously different than now.
Speaker 5: Different economy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the value of money back then was a lot more. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: So I was on at I was higher paid than
Speaker 4: they are today.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I'm trying to think
Speaker 3: what the salary cap would have been even I think
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four the salary cap might have
Speaker 3: been something like.
Speaker 2: For it was pretty loose.
Speaker 5: It was not.
Speaker 2: That's a great line day.
Speaker 5: It's very true.
Speaker 3: So so Carton from ninety to ninety seven, a good
Speaker 3: ninety two, You explode in ninety three second in the
Speaker 3: brown Low one vote behind wangannin the Australian captain and
Speaker 3: vice captain in a couple of years or vice captain
Speaker 3: then captain. Yeah, so tell us about the Carlton mob,
Speaker 3: tell us about the stars that were playing there, and
Speaker 3: you just see what you did.
Speaker 5: You try to get your.
Speaker 1: Forty Yeah I did. Yeah, Well Kernow was captain, so
Speaker 1: that's a good start. Silvani, Bradley, Yeah, Ratten and Dean
Speaker 1: and yeah, like we started to build a team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very young Koda, yeah, very young. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then Spalding come across, yes, yeah, and camp brilliant things
Speaker 1: like that, So okay, yeah, so yeah in the facility
Speaker 1: Harry as well, Harry Madden.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And so for the first time, you're thinking Premierships were
Speaker 3: building something, you know.
Speaker 1: Or that pretty ordinary ninety two yeah, pretty average. So
Speaker 1: that was It's that it was a progressive up. Really
Speaker 1: made the Grand Final.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, pretty quick around but yeah it was. And
Speaker 2: you talked about wanting to get forty You got forty
Speaker 2: four one day against Melbourne. You didn't get a Brownlow.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's that was a bad day.
Speaker 2: So you don't you don't think about that until you
Speaker 2: lose the Brownlow by one vote to Gavin Wangernein.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: How did you feel on Brownlow Metal night?
Speaker 1: I think that was about the last game as well.
Speaker 1: So I thought I was gonna within the Brownlow.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, round ten, Round ten Melbourn Princess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I should have got throw anyway anyway, that even
Speaker 1: the umpire deliberately didn't vote for me, that's the that's
Speaker 1: the fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the night itself, like we think now you
Speaker 3: have to go back through all those games and we've
Speaker 3: got champion data and stats like we were. Was it
Speaker 3: obvious to you? Hang on, what about the forty four vote?
Speaker 3: But it was obviously what about the forty four possessions?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Even then it was so crystal clear. You're like, hang on,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 4: Because Milaner got three, he had sixteen possessions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I Scott two, we had nine, and how
Speaker 1: he got one? He's a rock one but had so
Speaker 1: I thought I was a chance to get one, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it didn't happen, and he deliberate didn' vote from me,
Speaker 1: and that the other umpire told me that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Murray Business murried so on.
Speaker 3: So on the night of the Brown La Metal you're
Speaker 3: thinking to yourself, why did I not get the votes?
Speaker 5: How bad was your You know, you were pretty bad.
Speaker 4: To running night a running with him for years, so
Speaker 4: no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: So could you imagine could you remember what you would
Speaker 3: have said on that day round ten?
Speaker 1: Well, honestly, I don't think I would have said much
Speaker 1: because I had the ball that much and I was
Speaker 1: playing well and kick a couple of goals as well,
Speaker 1: and yeah, honestly, I don't think.
Speaker 4: I would have, but I had previously no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for it me too, so I went back
Speaker 2: the other way too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you missed that in the Brownlow.
Speaker 3: And then like obviously, eventually Murray Bird makes the confessional
Speaker 3: I think the teams again, Yeah, I think so. Yeah
Speaker 3: that basically I was told by russo you know I
Speaker 3: was going to vote for him, like, well, has he
Speaker 3: helped you out there?
Speaker 5: So how did that develop?
Speaker 3: And that obviously and then eventually you and Peter Jest
Speaker 3: considered legal action against against the AFL and against.
Speaker 4: I Reckon.
Speaker 1: It was probably ten years later he saw me the Brownlow.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, can I talk to her? And he
Speaker 1: wanted to apologize whatever, and he told me the story
Speaker 1: what happened. He said that he came in and said
Speaker 1: who do you? Reckon got three? He said, oh, Williams
Speaker 1: was best and he said, no, I'm not voting for him.
Speaker 1: Who's going to get to and he said Williams. He said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not voting for him one, not over him. That
Speaker 1: was it because he was a senior umpire And to me,
Speaker 1: that's just cheating and hello. But like everyone, some of
Speaker 1: you players haven't got it, didn't get a boat when
Speaker 1: the should have got one. Yeah, but he delivered in
Speaker 1: this was pretty stark, was for me, Like seriously anyway.
Speaker 5: And what and what? And when Mary's telling you, it's
Speaker 5: like you just your draws dropping? What are you thinking?
Speaker 1: I knew he delivered it in vote for me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you hadn't had to because I got three bodes
Speaker 1: in every paper in the world and every in the
Speaker 1: world or whatever.
Speaker 4: But and he just confirmed it. It was good.
Speaker 3: And so you guys, I think did you go up
Speaker 3: there and meet him at some stage? Just talking to Petges.
Speaker 4: Yesterday, I met him how many months?
Speaker 5: And did he sort of confirm it and then didn't.
Speaker 4: Want to go on with it?
Speaker 1: Which is fine, Like he didn't he didn't want to
Speaker 1: go on with it, which but he definitely did tell me.
Speaker 5: And how close were you to launching legal action again?
Speaker 4: No, we I'm always I'm over it now and I'm
Speaker 4: not over it.
Speaker 2: You can see you are. You're not.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's yeah, like I got in
Speaker 1: trouble every time I did something wrong, like big trouble,
Speaker 1: and you know Empire does deliberately does that.
Speaker 4: I just Recoonen. Yeah, it should be something from him
Speaker 4: what he did.
Speaker 3: And Russo denied that story with Murray Byrd and said
Speaker 3: there was no causion there as well, where's your sense
Speaker 3: of injustice to think, yeah you could have you should
Speaker 3: have had it. But three brown lows, trible brown law
Speaker 3: medal is probably skilled and like it's it rolls off
Speaker 3: the tongue.
Speaker 1: I like the sound of them. Yeah, I like the
Speaker 1: sound of that. It didn't happen like I'm honestly, I
Speaker 1: am over it, but yeah.
Speaker 4: I just think it was nothing ever happened to him.
Speaker 3: What was it like when you know, when you're sparring
Speaker 3: with umpires, there's a free kick?
Speaker 5: Now, what was it like? Gold spink Those blokes will
Speaker 5: tell us take.
Speaker 1: Used to umpire the game as well, don't worry, And
Speaker 1: a lot of blokes did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were able to do it back then.
Speaker 1: Like there was a lot of but a lot of
Speaker 1: times I was obviously playing and you know, you haven't
Speaker 1: got much time.
Speaker 4: But there's guys, you know Cameron and that what you're doing,
Speaker 4: you swear, you swear back at you.
Speaker 1: It was just Peter Mark around wasn't always vindictive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of going on there there yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there just was and yeah, and then there was there
Speaker 1: was one umpire originally, and then there was two, and
Speaker 1: then there were three.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's just more to swear.
Speaker 2: That ninety three season essendence sort of come from the clouds,
Speaker 2: didn't they? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: I think you you know, you had matched them well
Speaker 1: and truly through the year.
Speaker 2: And what happened in the Grand Final? Do you think Diesel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the baby bombers, they baby bombers. Yeah, they just
Speaker 1: got going and we couldn't stop, couldn't do it about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had that speed they Yeah they did.
Speaker 4: Michael Long and yeah, it's not that Yeah.
Speaker 5: So you never got your nose broken.
Speaker 3: But in that forty four point defeat, Sean Denon was
Speaker 3: on report for striking Williams and he got a broken nose.
Speaker 4: Yeah he did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, did you wake him?
Speaker 4: Well, he got five weeks for suspension that day whacking mate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and then I took him down the halfward
Speaker 1: flank and broke his knaves in the third quarter.
Speaker 5: You didn't get any work suspension.
Speaker 1: Or I didn't get any Yeah, I saw busy the
Speaker 1: tribunal because I was there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he took him down to the deep water.
Speaker 4: And there were sixteen cameras there, he said, he said,
Speaker 4: not one of them got it.
Speaker 3: So he took him to the NFL blind spot. Basically,
Speaker 3: you knew where to go. Again, we can laugh at
Speaker 3: this now, would say that's brutal. But watching, watching your
Speaker 3: frame of mind, I'll drag him down there. He won't
Speaker 3: know what's coming. How does that play out?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. But like.
Speaker 1: He punched me in the mouth and got five weeks
Speaker 1: the first quarter, Like, we don't do that.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, How if you're going to punch a blake,
Speaker 3: what would you do? You wait until he got he
Speaker 3: went to the ball for the first time, You didn't
Speaker 3: go How would you set it up?
Speaker 4: Yeah? That one I was well set up.
Speaker 1: I knew I was going down there and yeah, just
Speaker 1: turned around and punched him in the nose.
Speaker 5: Yeah that'll do.
Speaker 4: That'll do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did have a few running stouches with Sean Denham, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was a tagger and he was a pest. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's trying to stop me all the time, and
Speaker 4: that's the way it was.
Speaker 3: Did you respect taggers like what they were trying to do,
Speaker 3: or you just like bugger off, you know, go find
Speaker 3: the ball.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say I respected him, but I knew
Speaker 1: what they were trying to do.
Speaker 4: And there's different.
Speaker 1: Types negative ones. You run someone run off your taller ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they tried everything, the wronger ones. They tried everything.
Speaker 2: Is there still a place in modern footy for taggings?
Speaker 4: You reckon?
Speaker 2: Do we not do it enough? Now?
Speaker 4: I don't think we do it enough?
Speaker 3: So ninety four so you win the Brownlow again, you're
Speaker 3: the a f l P A m VP the Australian captain.
Speaker 5: Was that as good as a season as you had?
Speaker 5: You know what your best season was?
Speaker 2: Nah?
Speaker 4: I find it hard. There's a lot of good ones
Speaker 4: of you. No, I do. I just I was very consistent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but ninety four was actually because I had a
Speaker 1: generator knee as well, like yeah at the end, and
Speaker 1: ninety four was pretty cool because I I did like
Speaker 1: a rehab pre season by swimming hardly trained on the
Speaker 1: track and I just tried to look after it because
Speaker 1: I was getting the stage I right to drain it.
Speaker 1: I drained in the Grand Final. Ninety three was that's
Speaker 1: all stuff like that which is not ideal. And yeah,
Speaker 1: just say that I trained Thursday nights and play and
Speaker 1: yeah I got thirty votes in the bround like that year.
Speaker 4: That was pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was at a time when it was
Speaker 3: not hard to get bround like votes, but no one
Speaker 3: was getting forty five like Ripper.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well thirty was the highest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 3: You wake Robert Harvey in one of those contests your
Speaker 3: fifteenth career report for striking?
Speaker 5: How'd you get off of that one? Did you wake him?
Speaker 4: I might have wacked him in the stomach or something was.
Speaker 5: Like nothing wasn't wasn't worthy of losing the Bround.
Speaker 4: I half sort of ben over and squealed a bit.
Speaker 3: So it wasn't something you should have been suspended now
Speaker 3: it would have been Chris Grant style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, at hungry were you to win a premiership?
Speaker 1: You know you then fall short again in ninety four finals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're pushing really hard.
Speaker 2: You've played a better part of good sides Melbourne and
Speaker 2: Geelong success. Fine, Yeah, absolutely. I think Geelong had blokes
Speaker 2: out in that game they did. There was a famous game,
Speaker 2: wasn't it. It was had about three or four or five
Speaker 2: bloaks out the hunger to win that premiership in ninety five.
Speaker 2: What went through your mind then? And famously David Parking
Speaker 2: threw pretty much the keys to the players and said
Speaker 2: you might take.
Speaker 1: Over and they did something like that. The Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we were old like Collingwood are now you know where
Speaker 1: there's no way they can do this and there's stuff
Speaker 1: that they're gone and really, yeah, that was pretty much
Speaker 1: what was after ninety four.
Speaker 5: How did he change?
Speaker 3: He's talked about had like a transformation, as you say,
Speaker 3: empowered the players as well, but knew he had to
Speaker 3: change as well.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: He reckons you've got a psychologist in which he did,
Speaker 1: and he pretty much said to David, look, you've got
Speaker 1: the best resource here of any club is the older
Speaker 1: players and the experience, and just let them do more,
Speaker 1: let them be more involved in the team stuff and
Speaker 1: the decision making. And yeah, and that was yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: much what happened. And yeah we got going and and
Speaker 1: this team was ready as well, a few younger guys
Speaker 1: coming as well, and yeah, just sort of gelled together.
Speaker 4: And I think I missed two games that year.
Speaker 2: We lost both of them, Kildren and Sydney games.
Speaker 3: It's going to say because you got beaten by sixty
Speaker 3: one point back to back weeks, you know, ten goals each.
Speaker 4: Anyway, you're pretty good.
Speaker 1: When all of a sudden, No, it was just a
Speaker 1: coincidence that I so you were undefeated in ninety five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I even knew that.
Speaker 2: Well, so yeah, so I didn't know that either, But
Speaker 2: there was all that talk.
Speaker 1: I think I didn't. I don't think I got reported,
Speaker 1: I was injured. I can't remember, honestly, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: But that you did. You feel invincible, that team, that
Speaker 2: team feel almost invincible.
Speaker 1: We started to yeah when we got going ten row twelve,
Speaker 1: and then you know, people, everyone's we have to lose one,
Speaker 1: and then we pretty much said we're not going to
Speaker 1: lose one, and we just kept powering on.
Speaker 2: And it was it right that you got can cuffed
Speaker 2: in the Plimitary final. Again, you wouldn't play. If the
Speaker 2: rules were they as they are now, you wouldn't play.
Speaker 4: I did get knocked out a bit accidentally.
Speaker 1: Actually what happened, Guy's should bump me and I just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was an accident, which anyway, my reflex was went
Speaker 1: good that night.
Speaker 3: And you and again you were playing the rules didn't
Speaker 3: prevent you from doing it. You know, he would have
Speaker 3: played if you ha knocked out? Really, but it was
Speaker 3: do you remember that any awareness about it? Look, I'm
Speaker 3: not one hundred percent for a Grand Final.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a little bit of it. Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: Parking said to me early week, I want you to
Speaker 1: play ford pocket as well. I thought I was cast.
Speaker 5: Did you ever played forward pocket before?
Speaker 4: I'd always played center?
Speaker 5: What was the conversation? Like? How did it get?
Speaker 1: It was? Wasn't good? Nice said I'm not going going forward,
Speaker 1: so I shouldn't say sweat.
Speaker 2: He's already done it if you don't.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Stick said to me Thursday, look you're going to
Speaker 1: have to go forward, and yeah, I said, well, well
Speaker 1: I will. I did the first center bounce and I
Speaker 1: went forward.
Speaker 3: And why did he explain that? How did you want
Speaker 3: to get in there midfield?
Speaker 5: But they were you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just wanted to put change it up in there,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's just the way it worked out. I
Speaker 1: went forward and it wasn't that hard.
Speaker 7: Defense charges into attack, the past, go down the ward.
Speaker 3: You had your battle that day had thirty five and
Speaker 3: won a Norm Smith and the first player I think
Speaker 3: at that stage to yeah, Premiership medallion, brown Low, Norman Smith,
Speaker 3: those early minute moments again, sorry Mackett of that contest,
Speaker 3: so you get belled at her forward, Rice gets belted.
Speaker 5: I think was Timmy McGrath. It was.
Speaker 3: It wasn't eighty nine, but it was like you box
Speaker 3: are just trying to take each other's heads off, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, and then finally Bradley kicks the
Speaker 3: first goal early on and maybe it settles, but it
Speaker 3: was it was pretty violent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Gary Hacking was all over it. Yeah, but that's just expected.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I first kick I got, I was left foot.
Speaker 1: I only even had a shot I reckon and I
Speaker 1: kicked it out of bounds on the ground, I think.
Speaker 1: And I was that nervous, yeah, And I just couldn't
Speaker 1: believe it. And I just said after that, look, just
Speaker 1: pull yourself together.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you know, that was it.
Speaker 1: But I was so nervous, Yeah, because you work so
Speaker 1: hard to get to that big stage again, people think
Speaker 1: what you're thinking, and everyone thinks they're just out there
Speaker 1: all happy and playing. Well, it was your birthday too,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. It was your birth thirty second birthday, that's right.
Speaker 3: This is the nervous as you've ever been in a game,
Speaker 3: given the expectation, given you're the dominant team, you know
Speaker 3: you can't lose the unlosable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, part of that pressure. Yeah, you end up.
Speaker 3: I think you won the qualifying by thirty and you
Speaker 3: win two finals by sixty odd moments in that game,
Speaker 3: you know, you get a beautiful handball from sticks, you know,
Speaker 3: set shot, beautiful one from forty Maine is remember those goals?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do, mainly because of the footage.
Speaker 1: But we had a reunion other day of the week
Speaker 1: this year, thirty years this year, So yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: all the goals and I think I kicked five three.
Speaker 1: I should have kicked eight. Eight would have been nice,
Speaker 1: but you and the first kick of you bounds. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to kick more than sticks. He kicked five
Speaker 1: as well. I just wanted to kick six.
Speaker 3: You know what's like that last quarter of that game,
Speaker 3: You know, the euphoria knowing you've got it one, knowing
Speaker 3: that you've got that legacy piece in your almost the
Speaker 3: Paddy Dangerfield style legacy Grand Final.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that was the best feeling. I go three
Speaker 1: quit time calls in the look that's not over yet.
Speaker 1: We're fifteen goals up. Color he's saying the right things,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think.
Speaker 5: Yeah when you start thinking.
Speaker 1: Also, honestly, I didn't really think about that much. Honestly
Speaker 1: I didn't. And Kudo always says he should have won it.
Speaker 1: She played a great game as well, so and Deanie
Speaker 1: And there's some serious but that's just the way it
Speaker 1: worked out.
Speaker 2: How did Carlton celebrate back then? Famously it's the last
Speaker 2: premiership that they've had. How did you celebrate? How big
Speaker 2: was it? You know, big Jack's there, it's.
Speaker 4: It was huge and we were rewarded.
Speaker 2: Did you get a little bit extra out of it
Speaker 2: as well?
Speaker 1: I remember the after match was that the crown another
Speaker 1: ground with the hide or something? Yeah, yeah, he said
Speaker 1: ten sponts of sand up and he said ten grand
Speaker 1: from you ten ten. So he raised seventy grand for
Speaker 1: our footy trip in about one minute. So we had
Speaker 1: a footy trip. Yeah, when overseas and stuff. So that
Speaker 1: was cool.
Speaker 5: And was Parking right to play you forward in that game?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Maybe right? Yeah, the other way it worked out,
Speaker 4: it couldn't have worked out better. Smarter than aise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Williams was a unanimous choice as best on ground,
Speaker 3: greeted by a huge roar of approval from a delirious
Speaker 3: Carlton Masses. It was Greg's thirty second birthday, the Blues
Speaker 3: claimed a sixteenth premiership on a sixteenth successive win, and
Speaker 3: the pigeon Todd kid who couldn't run out of sight
Speaker 3: in the dark night it was blessed with uncanny ability,
Speaker 3: had reached his finest hour. It might have been Daryl
Speaker 3: Tims again, it might have been mixed Shane, What does
Speaker 3: that make you cool?
Speaker 1: It was cool? Yeah, yeah, No, and capinot my career.
Speaker 1: As I was saying again, it's pretty big hole feels
Speaker 1: no premiership as well. No, it's just cool to have
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The next year Diesel like that's when their knees start
Speaker 2: really hitting in sort of ninety six. How tough did
Speaker 2: you do it at stages with those knees?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did it last four or so years. I
Speaker 1: was just deteriorating, Yeah, unfortunately. And yeah I couldn't train
Speaker 1: as much, which I always try to train as much
Speaker 1: as anyone. Really, Yeah, just a just got worse. You
Speaker 1: just can't keep up.
Speaker 4: In the end. I was thirty four when I finished it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you couldn't run anymore, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So ninety seven round one you get nine games
Speaker 3: for pushing Andrew Coats.
Speaker 5: Lady's hand on umpire Andrew Coats in round one.
Speaker 7: No one knew where it would lead a subsequent challenge
Speaker 7: taking the AFL in and out of court. Williams initially
Speaker 7: succeeding in having the suspension quiet the umpire.
Speaker 3: You're in a pushing shove with your old nemesis, Sean Denham.
Speaker 3: You get done for unduly interfering with an umpire. You
Speaker 3: may have caught him a fat so and so, but
Speaker 3: explain that that circumstance to us because you're pushing and
Speaker 3: the umpires in the way.
Speaker 5: You didn't go out of your way to push an umpire.
Speaker 3: It was just like reflex action, as as Coats would
Speaker 3: say in the letter in the tribunal case, while trying
Speaker 3: to persuade Williams not to pursue the matter, Williams told
Speaker 3: me to go away and simultaneously pushed me in the chest.
Speaker 3: I believe this is a reflex action and one that
Speaker 3: was the result of sheer frustration and get directed to him.
Speaker 3: He says, At no time did I feel threatened or
Speaker 3: interfered with it to extent that would warrant a serious charge.
Speaker 5: What's your recollections of the whole drund No.
Speaker 4: That's good comp by Codes, I believe about nine weeks
Speaker 4: now now, Pier said it.
Speaker 5: So what's happening to you and Dan? I'm just sparring
Speaker 5: each other like you did the whole way through.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't shake my hand out of the game, like
Speaker 1: instead of just telling him off. That's all Codes came
Speaker 1: in and I just, yeah, just pushed him out of
Speaker 1: the road.
Speaker 3: Really, and for all your battles with players, you shake
Speaker 3: your hand, post mates, that's your expectation.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't like that.
Speaker 5: And called him what he might have been, and urging
Speaker 5: the point at the score.
Speaker 1: But Busy was away, yeah, obviouslyas there was some other
Speaker 1: guy was a chairman.
Speaker 2: You're known Busy well, I think it was.
Speaker 4: His name was McGuire, right, Okay, there you go. Ye,
Speaker 4: that's I don't remember anything.
Speaker 5: When Eddie's plant. Okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 4: His name was guy and he said nine weeks.
Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts when you get nine weeks?
Speaker 4: So ridiculous?
Speaker 1: Yeah, even after the umpires, Yeah, interpretation, now, I got
Speaker 1: sighted by col over the a f L side.
Speaker 2: Of me, that's so did you, which.
Speaker 3: Is because famously coached that doesn't report you because he
Speaker 3: didn't feel he was threatened.
Speaker 4: So that all happened.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, then the calumn went to court and
Speaker 1: put a stop on the suspension.
Speaker 2: So he kept playing. You kept playing for pure I.
Speaker 1: Played the whole year and then I didn't deserve it
Speaker 1: one week of that. Yeah, so I couldn't play another
Speaker 1: game anywhere else for nine weeks.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I never played another game anyway.
Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, so famously you get to a round
Speaker 3: seventeen and the suspensions renstated and you retired immediately.
Speaker 5: What was your thought process at that stage? You knew
Speaker 5: you're done?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was happy to go.
Speaker 5: It was a bit of a year to the AFL too,
Speaker 5: like you're not going to get me.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's good. Yeah that was a bad decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did they have an in for you? Do you
Speaker 2: reckon days? Like I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know about Infodore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I probably deserved most things, but that one
Speaker 1: not No, not that one and not the Russo one.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't deserve that either.
Speaker 3: And so normally, like you know people, if you you
Speaker 3: know you get suspended and that's there ainy of your career.
Speaker 3: It's like a low point, but you were done at
Speaker 3: that stage, you'd achieved at all. It wasn't any feeling
Speaker 3: of like, you know, this is not the right way
Speaker 3: to go out.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't worry about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah stuff, and they couldn't get you.
Speaker 1: I was happy to go like I was really done then,
Speaker 1: and yeah, really happy with everything I did.
Speaker 3: What was what was the decision to retire? Did you
Speaker 3: talk to you know, like, what was the right take
Speaker 3: us into parking?
Speaker 1: And I said, he just said look times up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I said, I agree, So it was good.
Speaker 5: I have a big an influence on your career with
Speaker 5: the late part of your career. Was Parker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was amazing coach. I really enjoyed playing for him.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you talk about or blokes, he could talk
Speaker 1: like god, he was a world champion. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: inspiring everything, different thoughts here and there. Often every week
Speaker 1: I'd sit in there on Thursday after train or before
Speaker 1: and just talked to him twenty minutes about footy or whatever.
Speaker 4: What do you reckon?
Speaker 2: What would have happened if Carlton had have given you
Speaker 2: that option in the first place. How good a player
Speaker 2: would you have been? Would you have been the same
Speaker 2: or was it that kick in the pants early doors
Speaker 2: that really said you know stuff you Blake's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think there's a bit of that. Definitely
Speaker 1: the kicker kicking the ass. But yeah, I just think, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I haven't really thought about too much, but I know
Speaker 1: eighty one eighty two would have been good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty good, pretty good size. We've had three premierships
Speaker 2: rather than the one there. What's been your life since Diesel?
Speaker 2: You've still involved in Carlton and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I still love footy at the moment, I'm director of
Speaker 1: footy and stuff and on the board, so I love
Speaker 1: being part of the clubs.
Speaker 4: Still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've really enjoyed that. Not gone as well as
Speaker 1: we want to, but we'll get back to it one day.
Speaker 1: And yeah, no, I'm just I've done businesses and printing
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I'm pretty much clear now and just
Speaker 1: Carton and.
Speaker 4: Six grandkids and flat out Wow.
Speaker 3: You had some concussion issues, but your memory loss seems
Speaker 3: to have You said to have been able to final
Speaker 3: way to get back to it. You've done a lot
Speaker 3: of exercises or just briefly tell us about a bit
Speaker 3: of that part of your journey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, see to you. That's I've been finding that for
Speaker 4: a long time.
Speaker 1: I believe I'm damaged, I really do, but I cope
Speaker 1: and I'm good. But I do a lot of things, yeah,
Speaker 1: exercise and actually my Carnivalso I really think that helps
Speaker 1: as well helps, and I feel like I'm doing everything
Speaker 1: possibly can.
Speaker 3: You got to a stage where, like you sort of said,
Speaker 3: you couldn't remember the ninety five Grand Final, but is
Speaker 3: it fair to say you feel like you've recovered some
Speaker 3: of that memory?
Speaker 1: Nah, Now I can't remember anything about any game I played, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I can't remember, yeah, getting married or yeah. I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's normal to be able to Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know footage from the ninety five Grand Final and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I know I was there. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: just a bit frustrating when you don't remember the main
Speaker 1: things that happened.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so you're almost ashy way through, Like you've
Speaker 3: seen the highlights. You can tell us stories about them,
Speaker 3: but you actually can't remember to find.
Speaker 4: Details, that's right, No detail? Ye?
Speaker 5: Scary? Is it scary?
Speaker 4: Yeah? It is, I feel it is.
Speaker 1: I remember Andrew Driti said he might have a concussion,
Speaker 1: but hen't. He hasn't forgot how good he was. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a good line. But no, concussion is
Speaker 1: not funny though.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. And is there something we can do
Speaker 2: more to, you know, to stop the incidents of concussion happening.
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's a combat sport.
Speaker 4: Do you think there is? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Not, Just like I said, I'm not. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: do everything I can for myself and that. But it's
Speaker 1: more the you know, like even the w players who
Speaker 1: play now and my grandsons who's playing, you know, like
Speaker 1: just more the next generation of you don't want to
Speaker 1: you don't want you to keep getting And I remember studying
Speaker 1: it years ago. Even the best neuroscientists in America. Like
Speaker 1: I said to him, my son played grid iron. He's fifteen.
Speaker 1: He got knocked out on the weekend. You know, how
Speaker 1: long should he have off? And he said he shouldn't
Speaker 1: play again. You know that's the sort of yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that's going to happen. That's how serious it is.
Speaker 3: My twelve year old kids, you play soccer. I've never
Speaker 3: said you can't play footy. But I'm pretty happy she's not.
Speaker 3: You know, she's playing soccer. Other than do you want
Speaker 3: your grandkids to play footy?
Speaker 4: Jack's twelve, he plays under twiles. Yeah, he loves it, yep.
Speaker 1: But I'm it's like the umpiring, it's like the the
Speaker 1: bump's gone. You know that all those sorts of things help.
Speaker 1: Even training, I think it's an issue still for us,
Speaker 1: even at our a far level especially, it still is
Speaker 1: no need to be belling each other up training.
Speaker 4: It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 5: In the NFL is they.
Speaker 1: Don't allow to, you know, certain sessions and that's it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we've still got a fair way to go.
Speaker 3: And obviously you've had some scans that you know, CT
Speaker 3: is only diagnosed, you know, when you pass away.
Speaker 5: What makes you think you've got CT?
Speaker 1: I think there's some good scans that show damage. There
Speaker 1: there is and it wasn't a good scan, No.
Speaker 3: Morrisom is that what level of detail do they give
Speaker 3: you a lot of those meg scans there which a
Speaker 3: lot of what are your meg scans tell you?
Speaker 1: I pretty much said that I was eighty years old
Speaker 1: type thing, like we're just pretty damning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you think about in the future? Like
Speaker 3: Mark mcclaul's battling with his own issues right now. But
Speaker 3: what do you think about the next twenty years and
Speaker 3: how what does that leave you with a sense of trepidation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I concerned about it. Just like I said,
Speaker 1: try and do everything I can. Yeah, and just as
Speaker 1: healthy as you can. And I don't do as many
Speaker 1: crossweads my wife yet, but I probably should do more
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So like if we as you say, like I don't
Speaker 3: have to mandate instead of contact through pre season. Everyone's
Speaker 3: all had ten contact sessions or you're allowed. That makes
Speaker 3: some sense to me.
Speaker 4: Maybe none.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you still do tackle technique and stuff, but you
Speaker 1: don't have the full.
Speaker 3: All those micro concussions or whatever you call them, all
Speaker 3: those the compounding is the problem.
Speaker 4: It's not just the concussion.
Speaker 1: And then you look, you talk about W like I
Speaker 1: really get upset about the W like umpiring. It's not
Speaker 1: the umpires false the it's the AFL's decisions with in
Speaker 1: regards to women, like five six tackles in a row
Speaker 1: of you know, there's in the back, there, there's around
Speaker 1: the neck, there, there's holding the ball. They're like, just
Speaker 1: just be a little bit more Tigy touch wood and
Speaker 1: play on pay it and let's go. Especially with the women.
Speaker 1: I think they want to be the same as us
Speaker 1: all the time. But I just think.
Speaker 4: It's very scary for the women. Yeah, I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't enjoy it at all when they fashion each other up.
Speaker 2: Last one.
Speaker 3: Sorry you go, RAFFI just some of the players you've
Speaker 3: helped across the last twenty Joe Watson, Yeah, who else?
Speaker 3: Maybe if you've done a lot of that technique technique, Yah,
Speaker 3: the technique, the tackling technique and the handble technique with.
Speaker 4: Well Joe's one, Tom Mitchell's big one.
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time with am Patrick and
Speaker 1: Welsh and spender time lock in the island. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: have a lot of good players gone Okay, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of good players.
Speaker 2: But you enjoyed that Diesel. You enjoy that side of
Speaker 2: working with people.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm coming up.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a online Yeah, skills development program coming up,
Speaker 1: So give it a plug.
Speaker 2: What's it called?
Speaker 4: You know, I haven't even named it.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll come back to that one the greatest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I really think it's a big issue in
Speaker 1: regards to footy as well, not just our level. I
Speaker 1: reckon an issue at a far level skill level. It's
Speaker 1: not to the degree it should be.
Speaker 5: And what's the deficit there. I'm not working hard enough
Speaker 5: and not being taught the right things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that don't work hard enough for my farmers, and
Speaker 1: they're there a long time a lot, but I just
Speaker 1: don't think the detail and the technical everyone, like every
Speaker 1: player I see or watch, I can say, look, technically,
Speaker 1: he's very good at this, average of that not good
Speaker 1: at that, and all the players can improve.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's yeah, I had a technique and.
Speaker 1: A technical technique that worked, and I was a slow player,
Speaker 1: but I was as fast as I could be. Low
Speaker 1: takes marking the ball and handballing and kicking, well that's
Speaker 1: another that's another level.
Speaker 4: But there is a way of doing it better.
Speaker 3: And so you've got every single bit of talent out
Speaker 3: of your body. As you say, you weren't quick, but
Speaker 3: you maximize every little thing.
Speaker 1: Yet, like every i'd like every kid to learn what
Speaker 1: I did, I really do and girl as well, w
Speaker 1: player as well, because because there's no like you look
Speaker 1: at golf, there's about one million coaches out there, but
Speaker 1: in football, there's not there's really no one that, Look,
Speaker 1: this is the way you should kick, this is the
Speaker 1: way you should take the ball, And there's an art
Speaker 1: to take in the ball, there's an art to protect yourself.
Speaker 1: And so many of even players a car and don't
Speaker 1: do it properly still, you know, and they're thirty yep,
Speaker 1: and there's so many.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every kid should watch my video.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm not just trying to say because in the
Speaker 1: AFL don't do it well either.
Speaker 4: No, do you ever try to work out.
Speaker 1: How to kick on the AFL site, like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a one hundred players, Like I just want to teach
Speaker 1: kids how to kick, how to spin the ball, that's
Speaker 1: all it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you sit there sometimes and shake your head.
Speaker 1: You're watching a game or you're watching it on Telly
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you go, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for goal or field kicking or am you're.
Speaker 5: Really critical of Paddy doubt one stage there.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the exact quote, but it made me think,
Speaker 3: listen to you now, maybe think you didn't feel he
Speaker 3: worked hard enough to get the most out of what
Speaker 3: was the top three pick. So if you feel like
Speaker 3: it's their destiny to work their ass off to try
Speaker 3: and maximize their potential.
Speaker 1: He was I reckon he hadn't been trained to kick. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sorry you picked three. Yeah, yeah, I honestly believe that.
Speaker 1: I know it's a fact if he had been taught
Speaker 1: the way I teach kicking, and when he's fifteen, that's
Speaker 1: when that's the time to get him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was almost too late by the time when
Speaker 5: worked with.
Speaker 1: But honestly, you can improve ten percent all day if
Speaker 1: you Because so many players kicked straight, too straight, you
Speaker 1: might be a everyone face up, face up, one step
Speaker 1: kicks like it's just it's just the death of kicking.
Speaker 5: He's plain that to me, too straight. What's too straight?
Speaker 2: Mane?
Speaker 1: Well, when you face the person you're kicking and they
Speaker 1: take one step and chip it across, you know, or
Speaker 1: switch it or or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kicking is a powerful action, yea natural, powerful action.
Speaker 1: And I can show you the way I kicked in
Speaker 1: the way all the best kicks in the AFL, they
Speaker 1: keep powerfully acceleration through it. But every girl, I see you,
Speaker 1: and I know the coach timing to kick straight, I
Speaker 1: know every person I speak to they say straight is
Speaker 1: not should be wiped out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a side on action.
Speaker 1: It's a fact that I prom shirt I should do
Speaker 1: a story one day when I get this video game
Speaker 1: on the side thing, because because when you think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about it, and people, I can talk about
Speaker 1: kicking all day and I'm happy to debate any person.
Speaker 4: In the world.
Speaker 5: He's the best kick in the AFL.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good ones, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of the don't know what they're doing, which I just
Speaker 1: find and they think, and you can kick straight, don't
Speaker 1: get me right like, you can kick it straight.
Speaker 5: So you're saying to me, kicks straight is in square
Speaker 5: your hips up and you.
Speaker 4: Just chipped the ball like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying if you're if you're side on,
Speaker 1: you've got to finish straight.
Speaker 4: You've got to be powerful.
Speaker 1: But you can still kick straight powerfully.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 3: And you look at someone like Ryan Mice and you go, oh,
Speaker 3: my goodness, what do you say, hang on his home?
Speaker 5: His technique so good on him.
Speaker 1: So's he's an extreme hooker, he's extremely What I say.
Speaker 2: You should do, come around your body and.
Speaker 1: Look at a bit I say hook it a bit
Speaker 1: that people say, oh I don't hook it, but it's
Speaker 1: a more natural action.
Speaker 4: On all the left footers so much better at the
Speaker 4: right foots. They hook it.
Speaker 2: Better, They hook it more natural.
Speaker 1: You watch, Yeah, just keep taking a pharto of him
Speaker 1: and senders everything in the world. Yeah, left foot technique,
Speaker 1: little hook powerful action. Is extreme hooker. Sards is an
Speaker 1: extreme hooker. But they've got great feet and that's what
Speaker 1: it's about. Your foot powerful foot power.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stab part Actually another thing kills me. Follow through.
Speaker 1: You don't follow through. Yeah, you stab it. You've got
Speaker 1: to stab the ball to spin it. It's a powerful
Speaker 1: stab action that causes it to spin. It's all about
Speaker 1: making the ballspin to where you want to be.
Speaker 3: So these were not here to be talking about the
Speaker 3: current Carton But why too many current Carton players good
Speaker 3: kicks they when you're the footy director.
Speaker 5: That's a really good question one for another podcast.
Speaker 3: No comment, no regrets from a footy career that's just
Speaker 3: got so many soaring highs.
Speaker 4: No, Look, honestly, I don't think there's not there's a few.
Speaker 1: Wonders, like you said, like to start a Carlton When
Speaker 1: I first got there, to stay long when I first
Speaker 1: stayed there, if not leave, you know, like there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that, but you know, we made decisions to go,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I like worked out pretty well. I wasn't
Speaker 1: a one club player obviously, which, yeah, that gets me
Speaker 1: down a bit too sometimes, which is fine, Which is
Speaker 1: fine because if he want to be one club play,
Speaker 1: that's great.
Speaker 4: But I couldn't be happy been through it.
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