Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the official Supercoach AFL show. Al
Speaker 1: Paydon here with some Supercoach experts gathered together for We're
Speaker 1: calling this the first episode of twenty twenty five because
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four season is done and dusted. It's all
Speaker 1: about next year and we have some really interesting players
Speaker 1: to talk about with the conclusion of the AFL trade period,
Speaker 1: so we get stuck into that in a second with
Speaker 1: my very good friends Patch. Great to have you back.
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy the Yeah, supercoachy year. Did you enjoy
Speaker 1: the trades?
Speaker 2: No, it was terrible. It was the period goes for
Speaker 2: both too long and not long enough, and it's just
Speaker 2: I wish I could have tinned out like I did
Speaker 2: most years, but it's my job now so or it's
Speaker 2: our job now, but anyway, it was. It was fine.
Speaker 2: We get lots of super Coach stuff out of it, though,
Speaker 2: and that's fun, so I'm keen to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, This is the good part and very excited.
Speaker 1: It's going to be some big changes, new things coming
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five. Just all will be unveiled over
Speaker 1: the course of time, but a little teaser today is
Speaker 1: a brand new member of the podcast team. Chloe Williams
Speaker 1: you've probably seen her on the social has been doing
Speaker 1: some great work for us this year in a super
Speaker 1: coach base, currently ranked one hundredth in super Coach NBL.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to talk about that. We're talking
Speaker 1: about Supercoach AFL. Chloe. Great to have you on board.
Speaker 3: Happy to be here, patch already style my happy New
Speaker 3: Year jokes. I don't really have anything left in that regard,
Speaker 3: but yeah, a bit more of an NBL expert at
Speaker 3: the moment, but much more comfortable with AFL.
Speaker 1: Let's be honest, excellent, that's what we will get into
Speaker 1: the next already, just stealing all of your thunder Thank sorry, great, great,
Speaker 1: so welcome to be part of the team, but great
Speaker 1: to have you on board. So we've seen plenty more
Speaker 1: of Chloe around the traps over the next twelve months
Speaker 1: and going forward so with a fresh new look and
Speaker 1: everything for twenty twenty five. If you're out there, subscribe
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Speaker 1: and let's get into the exciting world. Wasn't very exciting
Speaker 1: for about a week trade period, and then It got
Speaker 1: very exciting for about five minutes last night, and then
Speaker 1: we get to dissect what it all means for super
Speaker 1: Coach in twenty twenty five. And I think this could
Speaker 1: be one of the more relevant trade periods that we've
Speaker 1: had for a while. We like to talk about it
Speaker 1: each year that a new club can create new opportunities,
Speaker 1: and usually there's one or two. Last year, we had
Speaker 1: a guy called Brodie Grundy, you don't if you remember him,
Speaker 1: sounds familiar, who was an interesting case for us coming
Speaker 1: into the season at a new club. And then you know,
Speaker 1: James Jordan was a good example of someone who goes
Speaker 1: to a new team, gets a good role, some more
Speaker 1: opportunity and was a handy sort of value pick for
Speaker 1: us at the start of the year. But I think
Speaker 1: there could be plenty more names this year that we
Speaker 1: might be looking at picking. So it spoiled for choice, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And one thing that when I was making some notes
Speaker 1: about this earlier is a lot of these could be
Speaker 1: potentially in the Ford line, which I was very worried
Speaker 1: about at the end of this season, thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a great list of players to choose
Speaker 1: from this year and then we're going to lose a
Speaker 1: bunch with DPP changes, so that could be really handy
Speaker 1: if a few of these guys come in as forwards
Speaker 1: for us. But we'll go through some names. We've got
Speaker 1: him under different headings, and let's just go back with
Speaker 1: some forwards and debate because I think we can. There
Speaker 1: will be some contentious classifications, but we'll start. I think
Speaker 1: with the guy that I saw the fans and beat
Speaker 1: me to the punch boy about one second on Twitter
Speaker 1: last night as soon as the deal went through to say.
Speaker 2: Got to be first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was actually working and he wasn't, so
Speaker 1: give him. He has a had a needge on me there.
Speaker 1: But Caleb Daniel now a Kangaroos player, does that mean
Speaker 1: he's someone we want to pick in our super coach teams?
Speaker 1: Because he was very cheap at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: And if he's cheap, and I mean, the thing that
Speaker 1: just made me want to go and pick him straight
Speaker 1: away is Marty passed. His manager was on trade radio
Speaker 1: and the quote from him was, he'll play half back.
Speaker 1: He wants to be free and happy.
Speaker 2: Don't we all?
Speaker 1: Don't we all?
Speaker 2: Caleb? He's the first pick for mine. He's just like,
Speaker 2: it's a no brainer.
Speaker 3: I guess it could be the twenty twenty five version
Speaker 3: of Danes Orco the half back in the forward line,
Speaker 3: with an even better price point as well. So I'm
Speaker 3: totally on board.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean to me, it sounds like Jack
Speaker 1: Zebel about three years ago. He was forward at the
Speaker 1: start of the year in Super Coach, price to like
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty K, and then he went to
Speaker 1: half back and averaged over one hundred. He averaged forty
Speaker 1: nine point nine this year. Daniel in fifteen games, but
Speaker 1: he was the sub in eight of those, so his
Speaker 1: price is going to be way way down. He finished
Speaker 1: the year priced at two hundred and fifty two K.
Speaker 1: He was actually under two hundred K with a couple
Speaker 1: of rounds to go and just had a couple of
Speaker 1: good games to finish the year. But so that's just
Speaker 1: a bit of an indication. Doesn't mean that's exactly where
Speaker 1: we started next year, but he will be very, very cheap.
Speaker 1: So if he is, if he was eligible, well that's
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, he was a mid forward this year,
Speaker 1: but he was sort of I mean, he was the
Speaker 1: sub more than anything. So I'm not really sure we're
Speaker 1: champion DH all plump him for next season. But I
Speaker 1: mean he's going to be cheap wherever he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think probably all starting regardless of
Speaker 2: even if he's mid only. I think the value there
Speaker 2: is too good and the DPP will come if he's
Speaker 2: playing off half back and if he's taking kick ins
Speaker 2: at North that's oh that's cash money.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean I mentioned Ze, but we know
Speaker 1: what they wrong at North yea with a good friend
Speaker 1: Zach Fisher this year. Even it's to put up some
Speaker 1: good scores at different times of the year. But you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Cheesels mckirch's Aaron Hall back in the day, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know what that can be like. So yeah, tick
Speaker 1: tick tick for Caleb Daniels. So we love him. But
Speaker 1: I mean the Bulldogs actually have generated plenty of good
Speaker 1: potential picks for us guys getting out of the Bevo atmosphere, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: and maybe you know, giving themselves a consistent role like
Speaker 1: we think Daniel will and another one Bailey Smith probably
Speaker 1: the biggest name potentially that changed clubs and he will
Speaker 1: be one of the most popular picks I think next year,
Speaker 1: just because after missing a year with a knee injury.
Speaker 1: He's going to come in at a massive discount and
Speaker 1: you would think Chloe walks straight into the Geelong midfield.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I definitely think he'll walks straight in there. And
Speaker 3: I guess for me four forty eight. You know, it's
Speaker 3: one of those value sort of price tags. That's what
Speaker 3: he was priced at this year anyway, one of those
Speaker 3: value price tags that most of the time you're a
Speaker 3: bit fifty to fifty on. But I think with what
Speaker 3: we've seen him do, most people will be one hundred
Speaker 3: percent and plus the potential forward eligibility as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he was mid forward at the start of
Speaker 1: this year and because he didn't play with Hume, he
Speaker 1: will be that again next year. So again, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: going to be a massive help to fill out our
Speaker 1: four lines. And if he gets a thirty percent discamp
Speaker 1: for not playing it all this year, that brings him
Speaker 1: under four hundred k properly. So yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be very hard to pass up.
Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely, I'm another guy in the forward line who
Speaker 2: gets a change of scenery. Shae Bolton, you're loving Shay
Speaker 2: your premiership player at the Tigers heads West for a
Speaker 2: bumper hand of draft picks. Didn't have a great year
Speaker 2: this year, only average seventy seven point two from.
Speaker 1: The Richmond did that well, you may may have missed that.
Speaker 2: No, can you film me in?
Speaker 1: Can you give me just.
Speaker 2: The blow by blow of the entire season from a
Speaker 2: Richmond perspective for us?
Speaker 1: Maybe a super Coach plus special some stage over.
Speaker 2: The Breaz the sixth part of one hour episodes breaking
Speaker 2: down Richmond season. But no, he's someone that can play
Speaker 2: football quite well and can score Supercoach points quite well.
Speaker 2: Ow would you be interested? I'm bringing him in.
Speaker 1: I think it really does depend on what the forward
Speaker 1: line looks like next year for options, because he gonna
Speaker 1: lose a few players like Zorko, you mentioned Heeney, guys
Speaker 1: like that. You know Joe Corwell won't be available as
Speaker 1: a forward next year. Flanders. I'm not really sure where
Speaker 1: he's going to be positioned, but tpp. But so he
Speaker 1: could be one of the players we might consider, and
Speaker 1: he will be. I think he'll be unders for what
Speaker 1: he can do, so will be priced that he's seventy
Speaker 1: seven average this year, he averaged ninety six point seven
Speaker 1: the year before, and he's sort of been more in
Speaker 1: the eighties kind of guy in a few years before that. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, where do you think he fits in at
Speaker 1: Frio because we know he can play that actual classic
Speaker 1: mid forward role and your King goals is probably where
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of his points from. But obviously
Speaker 1: getting some CBA's definitely helps. Yeah, that I sort of
Speaker 1: feel like, I think he'll score higher than he did
Speaker 1: this year, but can he get back up to that
Speaker 1: ninety close to one hundred when that freo midfield's pretty
Speaker 1: hard to crack?
Speaker 2: L Chloe and I were looking at the Center Bounce
Speaker 2: attendances for Frio earlier, and it's not pretty if you're
Speaker 2: not one of just long with his favorites. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it was it was basically Sarrong, Ray Shaw, Young five
Speaker 2: and was it Johnson was the last one I was
Speaker 2: getting a few minutes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well behind those other groups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's basically if he picks his four, they're the
Speaker 2: four little rotate through with the ruck and unless say,
Speaker 2: you can get into that, or unless they change the
Speaker 2: way they set that up, yeah.
Speaker 3: I might make a bold call and just say I'm
Speaker 3: not going to go there. I don't think. Okay, on
Speaker 3: the way you know, I just don't think that he'll
Speaker 3: consistently hit that hundred, just because I don't know if
Speaker 3: there will be that balance between goals and CBA's. I
Speaker 3: think it'll either be heavily relaying on goals and you
Speaker 3: know how we all went with that Charlie Kurno towards
Speaker 3: the end of the year. It doesn't always work out
Speaker 3: the best, even if they are a great player.
Speaker 1: So yeah, consistency you mentioned there is the thing like
Speaker 1: looking up his twenty twenty three season when he did
Speaker 1: average nearly ninety seven, he had four scores over one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty and three under sixty, So you know,
Speaker 1: are you prepared to ride that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the problem is he'll probably he'll get cheap
Speaker 1: at some stage and then he'll put out a couple
Speaker 1: of these massive scores and that's when you'll be really tempting,
Speaker 1: but then you've probably missed them.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think we can get forwards that will
Speaker 3: be definitely playing midfield minutes. I would rather put my
Speaker 3: eggs in.
Speaker 2: That basket to play briefly play Devil's avocado, though you've
Speaker 2: got he might be three under three field, Kay, which
Speaker 2: if we don't have any other good primos, we might
Speaker 2: have a forward line of Bailey Smith, Caleb Daniel if
Speaker 2: his Ford eligible, Shaye Bolton, a few other names we'll
Speaker 2: get to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the little teaser there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, but I think.
Speaker 1: I think he's on the watch list. But yeah, probably,
Speaker 1: there's definitely a few question marks around there. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, just from a pure footy perspective, I think
Speaker 1: Freer I've got a great player. Obviously they played a
Speaker 1: pretty heavy price for him, but they're you know, they
Speaker 1: sort of think they're coming into the window and he
Speaker 1: he could.
Speaker 2: I think he's in that role as an X factor
Speaker 2: up forward and you know, some games he'll go one
Speaker 2: to eighty and some games he'll go forty. That's just
Speaker 2: how it'll roll.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what he's like. I mean, we before
Speaker 1: we get off the Bulldogs. Jack McCray is another one
Speaker 1: that super coach favorite, who again was a mid forward
Speaker 1: this year. Have to check on his numbers to see
Speaker 1: where he played a game. You know, it was used
Speaker 1: as the sub four times. So hard to know whether
Speaker 1: if he gets forward eligibility next year going into this
Speaker 1: and Kilda midfield, is he is he back. I mean,
Speaker 1: he averaged seventy two to seventy three this year, It
Speaker 1: was ninety nine last year, and then you know one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty fifteen years before that. But he is,
Speaker 1: you know, the wrong side of thirty.
Speaker 3: I think it's hard to tell personally, just because, first
Speaker 3: of all, I'll just say thanks to Bevo for the
Speaker 3: price drop bringing us into thee. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: you have to wonder why was there that shift away
Speaker 3: from the midfield and will he be able to replicate
Speaker 3: his previous form in that role. Obviously we all questioned
Speaker 3: Bevo at times, but what was his reasoning really for
Speaker 3: taking McCray out of that role? Is there a secret
Speaker 3: there that.
Speaker 1: You can but yeah, no, you know, if he wasn't
Speaker 1: you've got your Bond and chi Law and liber in there.
Speaker 1: And if McCray sort of dropped out of the top
Speaker 1: three or four, does he automatically become a gun meet again?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, does he get the chance to
Speaker 2: do that role? You know, they've they've got Jack Steel
Speaker 2: in there. You know, they had a Crouch in there
Speaker 2: that's it's now no longer part of it. But their
Speaker 2: midfield has been criticized of being very one paced. For
Speaker 2: a few years now, they've spoken from a recruiting level
Speaker 2: about trying to bring pace in and all the players
Speaker 2: they bring in a quick Jack McCrae is not quick,
Speaker 2: as I say that as someone who is also not
Speaker 2: quick game respect game, but I don't know if he
Speaker 2: slides into the first rotation at every center bounds. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he and Jack Steel split time, if
Speaker 2: mccrage plays forward, or if he's on a wing, if
Speaker 2: he plays backup rock play, who knows. I trust Ross
Speaker 2: almost as much as I trust Luke Beveridge, and that's
Speaker 2: not a lot.
Speaker 1: Looking at Jack mcgray's CBA number, so in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one he had seventy seven percent, and that's when he
Speaker 1: was one of the top mids in the comp, and
Speaker 1: then they've gradually dropped over the last few years, sixty
Speaker 1: four percent, thirty six percent. In this year is twelve percent,
Speaker 1: So you think he's going to improve on that.
Speaker 3: I think that especially. It kind of depends because you
Speaker 3: hit the nail on the head with the pace issue
Speaker 3: that they've got at the Saints, But then they did
Speaker 3: have seb Ross playing that role, So it's whether they
Speaker 3: want to directly replace him, or whether they are looking
Speaker 3: to change things up, which I think will probably be
Speaker 3: the decider in whether or not we see him at
Speaker 3: an optimal amount of center bounces.
Speaker 1: So yeah, preseason, which I guess to try to engage
Speaker 1: what they do there, because you think Philip, who would
Speaker 1: be probably a starting CBA mid you'd think to it,
Speaker 1: and he's someone we will be looking at very closely.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, I'm interested what McCray does to the
Speaker 2: make cup of the side. But even then, you know
Speaker 2: they might value someone like a Hugo Garcia in that
Speaker 2: mid forward role a little bit more because he's quicker,
Speaker 2: layers more tackles like maybe that's yeah, it'll be interesting
Speaker 2: to see. I think you're right, Chloe, it'll be a
Speaker 2: pre season wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've invested in him, so you think they've got
Speaker 1: something in mind. But now the other we've been sort
Speaker 1: of bearing the lead here because the most exciting name
Speaker 1: of the entire trade period. I don't know who to
Speaker 1: go to here first, because I know you're both absolutely
Speaker 1: massive events. Sure, James Peedling, now an Adelaide crow, has
Speaker 1: shown some serious supercoach scoring potential in glimpses at the
Speaker 1: Giants again, someone who's plenty of times he's been used
Speaker 1: as the sub, got a bit of a decent running
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year and put up some
Speaker 1: pretty good numbers. Again, question marks weird exactly does he
Speaker 1: go into the Crow's lineup. But yes, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people very very keen on me.
Speaker 2: I am very keen. It's me. Yeah, Well you spoke,
Speaker 2: you know, after that running out of three games in
Speaker 2: around the middle of the year where he's up, and
Speaker 2: I've written down his scores since, like post that game,
Speaker 2: all the way to their semi final elimination. He scored
Speaker 2: ninety three, one point thirty three, ninety three, one hundred
Speaker 2: forty ninety seven, ninety nine and sixty six in that
Speaker 2: last game where I think he got I don't want
Speaker 2: to say tagged, but got some attention after playing very
Speaker 2: well early and then the Giants fell apart. But I
Speaker 2: am if he's forward eligible nearly picked ahead of Daniel.
Speaker 1: Well, he's another one here, so he's mid forward this year,
Speaker 1: so and again being the sub so many times, it's
Speaker 1: really hard to know. I'll have to wait and see
Speaker 1: whether he retains it. What if he's in the midfield,
Speaker 1: he'll be So he finished the year what fourteen K,
Speaker 1: so you would be around there four one hundred and
Speaker 1: four to fifty K.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a much harder self. Yeah, in the midfield,
Speaker 2: I again, it'll be a pre says and watch and
Speaker 2: again with the Saints, the Crows have just been so
Speaker 2: bad at having a one paced midfield that's boring to watch,
Speaker 2: boring to pick apart from supercoach perspective, he offers something
Speaker 2: slightly different, but also I don't know if I trust
Speaker 2: Matthew nicksdag actually change it. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Chloe, Well, it kind of comes
Speaker 3: down to would you think that he would go above
Speaker 3: Saliga and Sam Berry who made a late emergence in
Speaker 3: that midfield at the end of the year, and someone
Speaker 3: like a Rory Laird potentially as well, just to kind
Speaker 3: of take over that role. I did have the same
Speaker 3: scores noted down that you had in the one the
Speaker 3: game round twenty when he got one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: three twenty cbas, when he got one hundred in round
Speaker 3: twenty two sixteen cbas and then when that forty popped
Speaker 3: up in round twenty three, five Cbas and then obviously
Speaker 3: there were times he was the sub as well, which
Speaker 3: I think led to such a volatile scoring and a
Speaker 3: potentially great price point. But most games where he played
Speaker 3: a full game, we saw great scoring potential, which is
Speaker 3: why I'm such a fan, and I do personally think
Speaker 3: that he will slot into that Adelaide midfield and hopefully
Speaker 3: we'll be getting what we want. If he is just
Speaker 3: a mid option, I'm probably with you there where it
Speaker 3: would take a little bit more convincing, but as a
Speaker 3: forward one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it depends on rookies and structures and all that else,
Speaker 2: but from a mid perspective, but yeah, I yeh comes
Speaker 2: down to as much watching Matthew Knicks as it does
Speaker 2: James Peeling in the preseason. So I trust Peteling, I
Speaker 2: don't trust Matthew Nicks.
Speaker 3: There will be a lot of players as well, kind
Speaker 3: of around that four hundred markets. It's seeming like depending
Speaker 3: on how prices look, But.
Speaker 2: Even I think that you have to kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll it'll be a big decision which players to
Speaker 3: pick from that group, because some of them will obviously
Speaker 3: has always proved to be great value, and then others
Speaker 3: might not quite cut it, but I think definitely Peteling
Speaker 3: high on the watch list.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, if you take out all those sub games
Speaker 1: every ninety two point five, so yeah, and then you're
Speaker 1: probably going to get in priced at sixty five. And
Speaker 1: do you get like, you know, six weeks of ninety
Speaker 1: scoring out of him and then cash him in kind
Speaker 1: of thing.
Speaker 2: God, I didn't realize the twenty three five podcast was
Speaker 2: are rated?
Speaker 1: Oh keep talking dirty to me? Well, there were the five, yeah,
Speaker 1: five names that we really really like, and then there's
Speaker 1: a few other well lots of that we can talk
Speaker 1: about as possibilities. Dan Houston one of the I don't
Speaker 1: know if I really want to get Dan Houston's name
Speaker 1: again for a while. How many twists and turns out
Speaker 1: took during the trade period, how many stories we published
Speaker 1: about Dan Houston when nothing was happening, but the trade
Speaker 1: thankfully did actually happen.
Speaker 2: And in the end, if it hadn't happened, I would
Speaker 2: have gone twelve but something, even if it was like
Speaker 2: a tree or a bush or just some graph. But
Speaker 2: the amount of times I had to like find different
Speaker 2: photos of Done Houston and try and be like, have
Speaker 2: we used this one in the last week? I don't know.
Speaker 2: We've used twelve this week, so anyway he's moved. He's
Speaker 2: a pie. Good for him, probably bad for Port Adelaide,
Speaker 2: but we're not We don't care about actual football. We're
Speaker 2: all about the imaginary football. Chloe, Are you picking him?
Speaker 3: I think I will, Yeah, just because of that role
Speaker 3: at Colinwood. Obviously he'll still slots trading. We've seen what
Speaker 3: Nick Daycoss has done from that half back position and
Speaker 3: it is Houston after all, so I think it'd be silly.
Speaker 3: Not too personally.
Speaker 1: He's averaged one o six the last two years at Port,
Speaker 1: so he's in their top bracket of defender, so he's
Speaker 1: not going to be cheap.
Speaker 2: How can I say he's like all Australian?
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe once or maybe twice twice.
Speaker 1: I mean, does he get the kick ins at the
Speaker 1: post so there's no John Noble there anymore? I guess no.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I feel like if you bring in
Speaker 2: a guy who is known for his kicking and can
Speaker 2: broot at sixty meters, you're not going to keep giving
Speaker 2: the ball to Darcy Wore at kickouts, Like no real
Speaker 2: knock on Darcy Moore. But yeah, like it's surely he
Speaker 2: takes kick out. Surely he's the number one distributor out
Speaker 2: of the back line. Surely he maintains that average at
Speaker 2: the very worst.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, at least about on. You know, we can
Speaker 1: be in speaking in October, we can be very confident
Speaker 1: about his role. Like some of these other guys, where
Speaker 1: does Peopling fit into the Crows team? And we know
Speaker 1: what Dan Houston down Houston is.
Speaker 2: Not playing full forward for Collinwood next year.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be the zub No.
Speaker 3: They've got him in for a reason, and I think
Speaker 3: that that reason will produce plenty of super Coach points,
Speaker 3: as it has at Port.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're probably paying for what you to get,
Speaker 1: but it's a pretty safe, pretty sick better and maybe
Speaker 1: there's a little bit extra you can put on top.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think picking him will come down to whether
Speaker 2: or not you want to go for value in the
Speaker 2: back line or it's like a breakout candidate or all
Speaker 2: the rookies back there or whatever it is. I feel
Speaker 2: like it's going to be a structural reason that you
Speaker 2: wouldn't pick him, as opposed to a form reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he would definitely be yeah, in that PreO
Speaker 1: bracket to.
Speaker 2: Will he improve? Probably not, but you know what you're
Speaker 2: getting yep.
Speaker 1: I suppose we should mention that he's suspended for around
Speaker 1: just the first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you won't start him opening round his back
Speaker 2: and with that.
Speaker 1: We don't know that it's good. Interesting, that's why you
Speaker 1: listen to these podcasts. They're kind of expert into it.
Speaker 1: And we talked about Adelaide, another guy there that I
Speaker 1: actually am keeping quite a keen eye on his Isaac coming.
Speaker 1: He came in as a free agent from the Giants. Again,
Speaker 1: he's probably going to be really annoying price of like
Speaker 1: four hundred and four to fifty or something like that,
Speaker 1: but only played six games this year. I actually only
Speaker 1: played four home and away game. So we will get
Speaker 1: a bit of a discount hopefully from the often to
Speaker 1: calculate the prices, so we'll see those in maybe early
Speaker 1: December usually, so we'll be all over those when they
Speaker 1: come out. But so you know, there will definitely be
Speaker 1: some value there, I think because he did have one
Speaker 1: breakout year in super Coaching twenty twenty two when he
Speaker 1: averaged ninety five and the key stat that year is
Speaker 1: that he took one hundred and twenty nine kick ins
Speaker 1: and was the number one man at GWS this year.
Speaker 1: He took one for the entire season.
Speaker 2: Not a lot numbers, but one is decidedly less than
Speaker 2: one hundred and nine exactly.
Speaker 1: So he can sort of play out back, push up
Speaker 1: onto a wing maybe so again and will be that
Speaker 1: adelaide What is the adelaide best? Actually, I think we've
Speaker 1: got no idea how we connecting best twenty three, So
Speaker 1: I might have to go and look at that after
Speaker 1: this and see where did we stick Petland because sorry,
Speaker 1: well yeah yeah, but also coming because I think if
Speaker 1: he's a kick in guy, he's someone will will consider.
Speaker 1: This year, just the kickings at the Crows, they didn't
Speaker 1: really have a you know, a dominant kicking player like
Speaker 1: a Luke Royan or somebody. It was Mark Kean and
Speaker 1: Mitch Hinge sort of split them with a few other guys.
Speaker 1: So this is an opening there potentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah, possibly, It depends on what role they bought him
Speaker 2: in for and if he's a dashing half back, if
Speaker 2: he's on a wing, I'm not interested, but yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: if he's behind the ball, then perhaps I.
Speaker 3: Wasn't too keen until I just heard you mention Mitch
Speaker 3: Hinge because he was someone who I was kind of
Speaker 3: watching from Afar at the end of last year. Never
Speaker 3: enough to bring him in, but I was just interested
Speaker 3: in his scoring capacity and he did pretty well at
Speaker 3: the end of last year. I don't have the exact
Speaker 3: numbers in front of me, but if Isaac Cumming was
Speaker 3: to assume that role, then I would be interested. I
Speaker 3: think it's just another one of those ones where it's
Speaker 3: a bit of a preseason what's just to see exactly
Speaker 3: where they'll put him. Hopefully they won't move him around,
Speaker 3: but you know, it's Nick, so yeah.
Speaker 2: We'll see no.
Speaker 1: Hinge averaged ninety three point five this year, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I guess he's he's going to be there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the role, as we know is good. You know,
Speaker 1: pretty much had any team. So yeah, he's on the
Speaker 1: watch list for me. Now would you put these guys
Speaker 1: on the watch list? Their producers chucked him in here
Speaker 1: on the maybe pile, but I'm not so sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: Liam Baker to West Coast. As you know, Richmond fans
Speaker 1: absolutely love Li and Baker, and I think West Coast
Speaker 1: fans will will soon, So they're not huge fans of
Speaker 1: him right now. By the sounds of it, but more
Speaker 1: to do with the list management strategy than anything Bakes
Speaker 1: has done. I think pretty hache to walk straight into that,
Speaker 1: I think, and you first day of the club Luke
Speaker 1: Park at the North definitely you would think opportunities but
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be super cheap. And the other one here,
Speaker 1: maybe Chloe you could speak to because I know is
Speaker 1: one of your favorites. Talk about moaning about all my
Speaker 1: Richmond favorites leaving, but Matt Kennedy leaving Carlton and he's
Speaker 1: gone to the Bulldogs replacing Jack McRae. Maybe, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a bit of a sad, sad time yesterday.
Speaker 3: I actually threw my phone away for the last hour
Speaker 3: of the trade period, hoping that it wouldn't get done.
Speaker 3: But deep down I knew that it would get done,
Speaker 3: just because I knew that they'd get Jack mccrade a
Speaker 3: the Saints. So I checked and it was about I
Speaker 3: think it was a minute past seven point thirty. I
Speaker 3: saw that it had come through.
Speaker 1: But that's too late they can Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, terrible for me as a cart
Speaker 3: and supporter. I get what they're trying to do, but
Speaker 3: in terms of super coach, I'm sniffing a bit of
Speaker 3: an opportunity. I'm not sure yet whether I'll go there.
Speaker 3: It depends how everything pans out. With rookies, it's that
Speaker 3: awkward price point potentially mid four hundred K, but there
Speaker 3: is that potential forward eligibility as well. I did have
Speaker 3: a couple of numbers in front of me too, so
Speaker 3: we've got I don't know. I guess it does depend
Speaker 3: on his role as well. Right, so at the end
Speaker 3: of last year, round fifteen he got one hundred and
Speaker 3: sixteen with twenty seven cbas and round nineteen one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty with seventeen CBAS. I will note as well
Speaker 3: that Round fifteen, Game eight right contests.
Speaker 2: Luke Beveridge just eyebrows.
Speaker 3: And another consistent theme in these numbers was just a
Speaker 3: lot of score involvement. So it will be interesting to
Speaker 3: see how the Dogs plan to use him, whether they
Speaker 3: use him in a McCray roll, which would be disappointing
Speaker 3: for him because that was kind of his role at Carton.
Speaker 1: They pressed out of the midfield.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but if I'm not quite sure what they're
Speaker 3: going to do, whether they're looking to maybe give him
Speaker 3: some more minutes instead of Liver in the middle potentially
Speaker 3: or you know, BoNT likes to spend a lot more
Speaker 3: time forward than someone like a Crips would, so he
Speaker 3: might get his opportunity there. And I think if he
Speaker 3: does get the opportunity, I personally rate him quite high.
Speaker 3: I am a can't support it, but as sort of
Speaker 3: that clearance midfielder, I would back him in to be
Speaker 3: able to produce a pretty decent score. So, especially at
Speaker 3: that price point as well, I would say it's worth
Speaker 3: of consideration.
Speaker 1: But you know, he has a game that he can score.
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, does he get the opportunity, does he
Speaker 1: get the role? I mean the big one for us,
Speaker 1: does he get forward eligibility? Because if he's been four
Speaker 1: that's the eighty k in the midfield, you wouldn't go there,
Speaker 1: but midfield, yeah, you could consider it. So he was
Speaker 1: the sub four times this year twenty twenty two is
Speaker 1: his sort of career best season average ninety seven, So
Speaker 1: I mean if he got that out of a forward
Speaker 1: for that sort of price.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And again, you know we've been speaking about a
Speaker 2: lot of those weird like mid prices in the for mine,
Speaker 2: can you pick six of them like we'll have to
Speaker 2: give on some of them. And yeah, Kennedy sounds like
Speaker 2: he's in that weird bebo limbo, which might work against him.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean if he if say someone goes
Speaker 2: down with a big injury, then he probably will be
Speaker 2: the next man something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly that.
Speaker 2: That's unless you know, adjacent to him, Riley Sanders will
Speaker 2: be want to be watching very closely in the trade
Speaker 2: period with those players moving out, with McCrae leaving, with
Speaker 2: Daniel leaving with obviously Smith didn't play this year, but
Speaker 2: there's obviously, you know, certainly space for someone else to
Speaker 2: step up. And Sanders, you know, if he keeps that
Speaker 2: forward eligibility. I don't know where he played in the
Speaker 2: VFL O dubt it would be in the middle, but
Speaker 2: our dad it would be forward.
Speaker 1: But yeah, bring up some insane Yeah, Stat's in the
Speaker 1: VFL was mcrat what's the end of the year, So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd be, you know, the next man up at
Speaker 2: the dogs are the ones I'd be I'd be very
Speaker 2: interested in.
Speaker 1: And I mean the other thing we should know to
Speaker 1: is some of these guys like a Kennedy or coming
Speaker 1: if you can't quite get yourself to spend the money
Speaker 1: to put them, take the risk in classic. They're really
Speaker 1: guys he should be considering in drafts. Oh absolutely, Like
Speaker 1: if you get them as your sort of third forward
Speaker 1: or something, Yeah, third defender, you'd be in a pretty good position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. Yeah, Liam Baker, I think if he's
Speaker 2: you know, defense forward this year, if he keeps one
Speaker 2: of those going to be mid forward, I'll certainly have
Speaker 2: a look at him, depending on price, depending on roll.
Speaker 2: If he's he spoke on SCNWA just after the trade
Speaker 2: that he wanted to play down back and that would
Speaker 2: be his preferred position. Obviously, him and Minnie McWalter have
Speaker 2: a really good relationship, so I imagine there'd be some synergy
Speaker 2: there that he'd either be down back and then maybe
Speaker 2: switching into the midfield, maybe like swapping with a Reuben
Speaker 2: Gimbi or someone like that. So I think there's certainly
Speaker 2: scope for him to score reasonably well. But whether or
Speaker 2: not that you know, that level outperforms his price point.
Speaker 1: I guess the one thing way for him is he's
Speaker 1: never settled in one position because he's so good at
Speaker 1: plugging holes everywhere. But if he did actually just get
Speaker 1: you know, they decided, well, you're going to be our
Speaker 1: guy off half back and use him there.
Speaker 3: Maybe I guess it's probably similar to Kennedy in that
Speaker 3: sense where you know, the last few years both of
Speaker 3: them have kind of been plugging holes. So if they
Speaker 3: can nail down a role, then they would definitely both
Speaker 3: be on the watch list and great draft shouts as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke Parker I think is one to keep an
Speaker 2: eye on for you if he gets full eligibility, which
Speaker 2: I think he will, which mid even mid season, if
Speaker 2: you know, watch him for the first six rounds he's
Speaker 2: playing off half forward, playing a link up role. Maybe
Speaker 2: he's someone we look at when the DPPs kick in,
Speaker 2: but or even if they kick in beforehand. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: very intrigued there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just yeah, Unfortunately he's not going to be
Speaker 1: super cheap because he started this year fairly expensive, yes,
Speaker 1: and then he was injured and you know, didn't play
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Although seven games, Yeah, discount for only playing seven games.
Speaker 2: We'll find out when they encounters release the number of
Speaker 2: beans worth. Maybe he could be under four hundred thousand beans.
Speaker 2: That would be cheap beans.
Speaker 1: Will we give you Anye that for sure? Now, the
Speaker 1: next category we've got is likely awkward price but could
Speaker 1: have potential. So which is like this is peak draft, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: Whoop on these guys. But for classic I don't know.
Speaker 1: Daniel Reoli, Well, yeah he's talking about draft thing. He's
Speaker 1: got great shout for draft. You know, you know for
Speaker 1: those absolute top tier defenders has gone. He's sort of
Speaker 1: definitely in that next little bracket underneath him, and he's
Speaker 1: average nineties basically just low nineties the last two or
Speaker 1: three years. Can he get that up to around three figures?
Speaker 1: I actually, you know, obviously, again we talk about we're
Speaker 1: all biased, and I'm a big Daniel really fan as
Speaker 1: a Richmond supporter, and I'm happy to see him leave.
Speaker 1: Obviously we've got something good for him, so that's great,
Speaker 1: but good things for him, Yeah we did. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I've read somewhere about Goes just giving away high
Speaker 1: draft picks.
Speaker 2: They're playing a different game, so like you get.
Speaker 3: You get a cut.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, obviously Dim is a big fan
Speaker 1: and if he gets I think he will be great
Speaker 1: for Gold Coast. So from their point of view, that's
Speaker 1: one another reason why maybe you know they were prepared
Speaker 1: to play out. But obviously there's other factors are going
Speaker 1: to that as well, but in terms of where the
Speaker 1: club is at, and you know, they obviously just getting
Speaker 1: picks and academy kids every year, but it's on stage
Speaker 1: you and certainly I think we're hard week is that
Speaker 1: wants to put some performances on the field, and I
Speaker 1: think there's a role there clearly for him. And you
Speaker 1: think who played there this year, and it's the likes
Speaker 1: of Alex Sexton, who actually scored alright in Super Coach.
Speaker 2: He win patches, he was fine. I just think he's neat.
Speaker 1: But if he can score, surely dan Rioli is a
Speaker 1: big upgrade on Alex Sexton for Gold Coast sort of
Speaker 1: half back free wheeling.
Speaker 2: Understatement of Dan Rioli is an upgrade on Alex Sexton. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean for a non bias take. Chloe, are you interested?
Speaker 3: I am interested, Yeah, just because that role is so
Speaker 3: obviously there. I mean it does depend on the price.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the thing. He's not. He's not
Speaker 1: going to be Super Chip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, he might be one of those
Speaker 3: players that I might not start, but I might be
Speaker 3: keeping an eye on before his first price rise to
Speaker 3: quickly pivot to if I get the chance.
Speaker 1: But he's like the Jordan Clark of this year or
Speaker 1: something like that. Started it wasn't super cheap to start
Speaker 1: the year, but you know, the value became obvious as
Speaker 1: we don't see.
Speaker 2: Him finishing as a like a top three defender. But
Speaker 2: maybe he's in that sixty weight range.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he might finish as the top three.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, I certainly don't.
Speaker 3: I guess it does depend how he adapts to the
Speaker 3: role and the lifestyle change pretty much pretty much everything.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll he'll fit in pretty seamlessly, especially with
Speaker 3: Dimmer there. But you know, playing at people first more
Speaker 3: often when he's used to the g.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to look up maybe what he's scoring is like
Speaker 1: when he has gone up there. But another name in
Speaker 1: this little bracket that I actually am quite interested in again,
Speaker 1: Chloe will go to you as a Calvin expert. Where
Speaker 1: do you think Nick Haynes, I mean, is he even
Speaker 1: in the best twenty three? Because if he is, I
Speaker 1: mean he said one sort of premo super coach season
Speaker 1: there was back in twenty twenty when he averaged ninety eight.
Speaker 1: He's been more around the seventies sort of since then.
Speaker 1: This year averaged sixty nine in eight games, and he
Speaker 1: was one of those. But in the VFL he was
Speaker 1: putting up unbelievable numbers averaged thirty one disposals, nine intercepts,
Speaker 1: and one hundred and thirty super Coach points. So Carlin,
Speaker 1: obviously we're looking for some tall defenders. Does he play
Speaker 1: regularly and you know, can he be that sort of
Speaker 1: floating interceptor where we know he can actually score a
Speaker 1: right I think.
Speaker 3: Whether or not he plays regularly is a bit down
Speaker 3: to how Mitch McGovern's body holds up next year. I
Speaker 3: think that they probably pick Gov over him in the
Speaker 3: starting lineup, and then obviously Nick Newman also plays that
Speaker 3: sort of distributor role. It does depend what they want
Speaker 3: to do with their game plan as well, because towards
Speaker 3: the end of the year everything was looking quite stagnant
Speaker 3: long down the line. So maybe they've brought in Nick
Speaker 3: Haynes to shake that up a bit. And if that
Speaker 3: is the case, then they'll put him, they'll start him
Speaker 3: if they're looking for that change there. But personally, I
Speaker 3: would say, as it stands at the moment, I don't
Speaker 3: think he would be in the best twenty three. But
Speaker 3: if that happy to be proven wrong. And also, yeah,
Speaker 3: well if the Brody Camp trade had gone through, then
Speaker 3: you'd be starting Nickaynes, right, But yeah, I think they're
Speaker 3: pretty keen on continuing to develop Camp as well, So
Speaker 3: I would say no for now, but it definitely is
Speaker 3: something that i'd be watching personally and for super Coach
Speaker 3: in the preseason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on the watch list. But yeah, again, it's
Speaker 1: probably sort of three hundred and fifty k type prices.
Speaker 2: If I'm going around that price, I might stump up
Speaker 2: a little bit more for Harry Perryman me too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of pyramid? Because it mustn't
Speaker 1: mean I was pretty surprised when Giants got picked sixteen
Speaker 1: for him, and Colin obviously was prepared to give a
Speaker 1: lot of money nine hundred thousand beans a year. Man
Speaker 1: loves beans.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. They've said they're going to
Speaker 2: play in midfield, and if he's four hundred k, I'm
Speaker 2: playing midfield to Collin would like he can't be scoring
Speaker 2: terribly even if he's kind of a you know, you
Speaker 2: don't bring someone in on that much money and then
Speaker 2: like play them off half forward switching field.
Speaker 3: Do you thack Williams, M.
Speaker 1: Yeah, super coach.
Speaker 3: I was just saying we're paying him eight hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Also, like if he leaves the Ford fifty, his hamstring
Speaker 2: is just a erupt So I feel like that's the
Speaker 2: bigger factor. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. I'm very
Speaker 2: keen on I'm very keen.
Speaker 3: Just because of that defensive eligibility. If you can get
Speaker 3: someone around for four hundred k and they're a defender
Speaker 3: and they're playing mid you know that, supercoach gold. So
Speaker 3: I think I'm interested. I'll just make sure the roll's there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, certainly, Yeah, watching the c but I'm yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I must have been. I don't know. Heaps about
Speaker 1: Harry per remember I will be.
Speaker 2: I don't know, bar, but.
Speaker 3: I just thought defense four hundred k roll and I thought,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm considering that.
Speaker 2: Sign me up?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean the Collingwood midfield, there's there's opportunities there,
Speaker 1: you would think, because I mean, you've got Nick Dakos
Speaker 1: is probably a permanent midfielder now. But apart from him,
Speaker 1: you know, they've got Pendles anxiety and these guys who
Speaker 1: were probably the yeah, I mean Mitchell still Mitchell.
Speaker 2: He's on the list they had had to go.
Speaker 3: A lot of them are kind of asterisk at the moment,
Speaker 3: I would say in terms of Chris five, Look, Chris.
Speaker 2: Even though like a Finn McCrae is still like you
Speaker 2: know it, hasn't hasn't stamped himself as a first choice.
Speaker 2: There they like it Alan, but surely he's not a
Speaker 2: starting mid unless he tears it up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think they're playing Finn McCrae nine hundred beans.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's on nine hundred, which is why he's
Speaker 1: not quiet not quite there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I don't know. I'm interested in him,
Speaker 2: and I'm also kind of I'm definitely from a draft perspective,
Speaker 2: but also maybe Alex Neil Bullen like he was overall.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's the key step for him, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one caught me by surprise. Eighth for total points
Speaker 1: in the fourth line this year. And when you take
Speaker 1: out we've already mentioned Aeni and Flanders and all these
Speaker 1: guys that bumps him up the list, then we might
Speaker 1: get a few forwards coming in, which would be nice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you probably have to consider him, especially in draft.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, in draft. And I think the fact
Speaker 2: that he doesn't miss many games, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: quite kind of unassuming, he might slide back a bit. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean again, I think he's neat. I just think
Speaker 2: he's neat. You know, Melbourne fans love him. Does a
Speaker 2: lot of the stuff that is unrewarded on a stat
Speaker 2: sheet and doesn't quite come up, you know, it doesn't
Speaker 2: listen to the best, doesn't get brad Low votes. But yeah,
Speaker 2: just a very good player playing a very difficult role.
Speaker 3: If you had to pick, though, would you pick Nielball
Speaker 3: and not Peteling Petling?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Neil Ball and it. Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: like him as a player, but I think, yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: he'd be for draft. I think for me, just because
Speaker 1: I think you have that saying. Well, I mean we've
Speaker 1: talked about a few times, but Adelaide will definitely be
Speaker 1: one of the teams to watch in the preseason. But
Speaker 1: I think he will slot in probably in that same
Speaker 1: role that he had of Melbourne, where he's mostly forward
Speaker 1: and you know he can go up the ground and
Speaker 1: give him that real sort of a bit of pace
Speaker 1: around that forward half, and then maybe he frees up
Speaker 1: a ranking to go into the midfield more of that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So again that's sort of some of
Speaker 1: those flow and effects that you were talking about. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Adelaide Matthew Nix is going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of attention on what they do next year, so
Speaker 1: hopefully they help us out in super coach.
Speaker 2: Is Jack Graham best twenty three at West Coast?
Speaker 1: He thinks, so if they're playing him some beans and
Speaker 1: didn't they to get him a role not a.
Speaker 2: Huge amount of beans. And he's also like you dealist,
Speaker 2: free agent, wanted to go home like he's fine, but
Speaker 2: also they need they drastically need Waffle help as well.
Speaker 1: So I think that you have the MIDI mcqualtera the
Speaker 1: link there probably sees what he did someone else. This
Speaker 1: isn't my original take, but made the good point that
Speaker 1: even though Jack Graham is you know, he's not a
Speaker 1: superstar by any stretch, and you know he hasn't won
Speaker 1: too many Best and Fairest, but every time he was
Speaker 1: available he played for Richmond like hen when he was injured,
Speaker 1: he just come straight back into the team. I think
Speaker 1: the coaches obviously all saw something in him that maybe
Speaker 1: the rest of us stone and it's just I think
Speaker 1: that huge tank that he's got that you can just
Speaker 1: run all day and just sort of just give you
Speaker 1: that one hundred percent effort, which McCord must value. And
Speaker 1: I think he'll be all right at West Coast, probably
Speaker 1: enjoy playing it op the stadium over there.
Speaker 2: Bring a tank with it, like a swill trend caterpillars
Speaker 2: like on the football fields. There's no rules against that
Speaker 2: says a dog can't play.
Speaker 1: For But yeah, I don't think. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: a super coach pick for us, So that just leaves
Speaker 1: I mean, it still leaves plenty of other names because
Speaker 1: a lot happened in the end. Anyone else here that
Speaker 1: you like. The one that I must say I did
Speaker 1: actually look up his numbers was Harry Sharp. I just
Speaker 1: thought if he's sort of rookie price, and he's probably
Speaker 1: not going to be a bargain rookie price, but you know,
Speaker 1: he might be finishing at hundred and eighty four K,
Speaker 1: so hopefully he might be a little bit cheaper than that.
Speaker 1: It just obviously depends if he gets games for Melbourne,
Speaker 1: but if Melbourne have a role there for him. He
Speaker 1: played six games this year. Three is the sub so
Speaker 1: that obviously affected his average and his price and everything.
Speaker 1: Averaged ninety two in the VFL. I mean he's a
Speaker 1: wing flankers sort of type, so he's not going to
Speaker 1: put up massive numbers. But I thought Caleb Windsor at
Speaker 1: the start of this year, I didn't pick him because
Speaker 1: he was under in eighty K. I thought he's playing
Speaker 1: on the wing. You know, you're not going to score
Speaker 1: many points. Yeah, everaged sixty four over the first nine
Speaker 1: rounds and made one hundred and seventy grand. So could
Speaker 1: Harry do something like that?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, But also you know we're looking at
Speaker 2: one of the best drafts in history, so you know,
Speaker 2: you stack him up, you're stuck him up next to
Speaker 2: Jacobs Smith, Like, I'm Jackos Smith.
Speaker 1: Well in Melbourne has two top ten picks, are they yeap,
Speaker 1: So that's probaly I have Caleb Windsor, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. They've got Winsor and the Langda
Speaker 1: is still there. So yeah, we're just show up exactly fit in.
Speaker 2: I mean they had the last player they brought him
Speaker 2: for Brisbane, who we were very sure was going to
Speaker 2: get gamed home was Tom Fulton. Who does he exist?
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, I mean I think in the
Speaker 2: same vein. Jacob Constanty is obviously a watch from North.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't familiar with his existence today.
Speaker 2: He's a forward, was a first round, very late first
Speaker 2: round draft pick a few years ago. The fact that
Speaker 2: the Ruse want him is maybe something with.
Speaker 1: Jade Rowlings to see the list guy, and he's said
Speaker 1: at the end of the trade period that he'll be
Speaker 1: like best twenty three.
Speaker 2: Okay, well he'll be rookie priced. So you know, if
Speaker 2: he's forward, then certainly one that I'll be watching.
Speaker 1: What about Jake Stringer? Patch one of you about what.
Speaker 2: About Jake Stringer? I don't know who that is? Never
Speaker 2: heard of him. I mean he's not not in draft,
Speaker 2: not in like a dynasty league where you've got forty
Speaker 2: six players in every list. I'm not I don't care.
Speaker 2: He'll be like he'll be good from a football perspective,
Speaker 2: from a fantasy perspective, I'm sure you know what you're
Speaker 2: going to get from Jake Stringer. He's going to be
Speaker 2: the same same as it ever was, same as he
Speaker 2: ever was.
Speaker 1: Not the new Jesse Hogan.
Speaker 2: I doubt it, but I have not Look, I don't know,
Speaker 2: man I stopped spending mental energy on Jack Stringer.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's say another big name. Chloe matt oways.
Speaker 3: It's painful. I'm not gonna lie it's painful, But I
Speaker 3: would not say he has any super coach relevance unfortunately,
Speaker 3: although I do wish him the best over in the West.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, some of these other names are Jack Darling,
Speaker 1: just though in any universe. I mean, he's put down
Speaker 1: Tom Campbell here and there. Surely I suppose if.
Speaker 3: Put down Tom Campbell under irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, that's true, and Eliitimilberg, which I forgot happened,
Speaker 1: but you mentioned, Yeah, Tom Campbell's really I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: he would be aware of the fact, no slote on
Speaker 1: Tom that he's behind Mexican in the IQ at Melbourne.
Speaker 1: But Max is getting on a little bit and the
Speaker 1: long season does tend to wear on him a bit.
Speaker 1: So maybe if if something happened in and he got
Speaker 1: his chance, I mean, he scores well in the VFL.
Speaker 3: I don't mind it as a list option for Melbourne,
Speaker 3: so especially after what happened this year, he could definitely
Speaker 3: come in and play a role when necessary. So I
Speaker 3: guess it's you know, it's all hypothetical, but if he
Speaker 3: was to play a role for a longer period of time,
Speaker 3: then maybe you could bring him in for a bit
Speaker 3: of a cash grab. But apart from that, I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 2: Sep any quick fire any interest in Joe Richards.
Speaker 1: No, no, miss missed him this year, so I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go back John Noble, No, No.
Speaker 2: Rory at Actually I picked I think forty one minutes
Speaker 2: and forty seconds without talking about Rory Atkins.
Speaker 1: Hading for about six weeks or something in the middle
Speaker 1: of the year last year, and he was six weeks
Speaker 1: of your life. I mean, just I just think Roy
Speaker 1: Akins has done an amazing job to make a career
Speaker 1: as an AFL footballer. Now to get another year. I
Speaker 1: think he's on four hundred thousand or something.
Speaker 2: With that, with like the handicap of not being too
Speaker 2: meters tall, Like if you know Tom Campbell has had
Speaker 2: a what ten year career, played forty games. Roy Atkins
Speaker 2: has done the same thing, but he's not very tall
Speaker 2: and large. Like incredible hats off, But I think it
Speaker 2: really said at all when Port Adelaide's head a football
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, we've brought in two people that
Speaker 2: you know two players we think can really make an
Speaker 2: impact in our Best twenty two and he was not
Speaker 2: very Atkins was not one of those two. He said,
Speaker 2: you know, we need more sound for depth, and we
Speaker 2: need more for them. He's a great character, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's just cross him off at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean only the other ones that we haven't
Speaker 1: mentioned was I don't think you would consider either of
Speaker 1: them in Super Coaches, Josh Battle and Tom Barress. But
Speaker 1: we did talk earlier a little bit about the opportunities
Speaker 1: that trades can create for other players. Does that make
Speaker 1: James Cicily suddenly very relevant? If you've got two pretty
Speaker 1: good key stoppers down back coming in, you can take
Speaker 1: that full back, you know, binding role, and Sicily can
Speaker 1: just float around doing his intercepting thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's part of me. I could be
Speaker 3: way off here. I feel like they might playing forward
Speaker 3: because they'll have Sam Frost back there.
Speaker 2: I was about to say the same thing, there were
Speaker 2: too many defenders. That makes me more scared to Sicily
Speaker 2: than I was this year, even knowing that he would
Speaker 2: be key back and then they'd swing him forward to
Speaker 2: try and win a game. Like I don't want to
Speaker 2: bar of him.
Speaker 3: Because I think it's just a bit too uncertain for me.
Speaker 2: Ye, even if you know they've got hardware you can
Speaker 2: play forward and back, it might be a match up
Speaker 2: thing where like they've got to they're coming up against
Speaker 2: the Bulldogs just Sicily plays back, Hardwick plays forward, and
Speaker 2: then the next week they're coming up against you know,
Speaker 2: a smaller forward line and then they just switch the
Speaker 2: rolls around like yeah, no, I'd need to see it.
Speaker 3: They've got plenty of options, which is great for them,
Speaker 3: but not great for super coach. You don't really want
Speaker 3: to pick someone who has who is a part of
Speaker 3: a team that has options and moving parts. There's a bit.
Speaker 2: Bulldogs like, yeah, I want certainty in my super coach players,
Speaker 2: and that's not what we're going to get from.
Speaker 1: So mean, who is actually like surprisingly good at that
Speaker 1: role When it was used a few times this year
Speaker 1: to go forward and win a game virtually he did
Speaker 1: it two or three times. Yeah, he's a good football
Speaker 1: that's probably that's not good for us though, because then
Speaker 1: once he started thinking of doing that on a more
Speaker 1: long term sort of basis, playing him there for a
Speaker 1: whole game or half a game, that's when it's a I.
Speaker 3: Think the good for a bit of a score spike
Speaker 3: with a goal, but not for a long term period.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I certainly think the role he had this
Speaker 2: year was very good in that he knew he was
Speaker 2: down back and then might go forward and get yeah,
Speaker 2: that massive spike. But yeah, no, I'm not interested.
Speaker 3: I did just have a thought while we're talking about
Speaker 3: sort of I have hit help or hinder down here
Speaker 3: while we're talking about that. I thought of it while
Speaker 3: we're talking about Roory Atkins. And then there's obviously the
Speaker 3: exit of Houston. I mean, now it kind of bringing
Speaker 3: up irrelevant names, But what do you think if Jase
Speaker 3: bergwin in that role.
Speaker 2: For next year? I quite like Jase Berg, and I
Speaker 2: nearly brought him in the season just gone at that
Speaker 2: point where he just was about to pop, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I now bringing Matt Rowel instead, and I reckon Berg
Speaker 2: going outscored owl on the run home.
Speaker 3: Because they've got Bergwen, they've got Logan Evans.
Speaker 1: Your favorite Kane Farrell's when I was singing.
Speaker 2: Caane Farrell when they have a monopoly on kickouts, which
Speaker 2: really interests me, especially from a draft perspective. Problemly, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd need to see it. But it's certainly there's a
Speaker 2: void of significance back there that I think is certainly
Speaker 2: you're worth keeping an eye on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. There are any other teams that
Speaker 1: we've we should be thinking about that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Intrigued by North Melbourne, how they structure up with you know,
Speaker 2: some new players in with some young talent that are
Speaker 2: all justling for midfield time. You know, she's obviously in
Speaker 2: their wedd does mkirchher play. You know they've traditionally always
Speaker 2: played two half backs. You suspect Fisher is not going
Speaker 2: to be one of them if they have literally any
Speaker 2: other options. But they've got like Josh Goder as well,
Speaker 2: who's highly touted, did his achilles last year. He's someone
Speaker 2: I began to look out. If Bradon George gets a
Speaker 2: run at it as a forward, he'd be rookie prized.
Speaker 2: I'd be really intrigued by that. Tristan Cherry as well,
Speaker 2: you know, someone would be considering in the ruck. I
Speaker 2: think North Melbourn will be very interesting from a super
Speaker 2: coach perspective. Jack Darling obviously, I mean without saying I
Speaker 2: didn't need to bring him up. Yeah, I'm intrigued by
Speaker 2: how they how they set up, and we'll be keeping
Speaker 2: an eye on it.
Speaker 1: And I mean the other one obviously is talking about
Speaker 1: a void of significance. I mean Richmond. Oh yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole road is basically a void at a moment. So
Speaker 1: somebody is going to play and we'll find out, maybe
Speaker 1: in around draft Knight, who will actually be playing for
Speaker 1: Richmond next year. So there will be plenty of names
Speaker 1: there that you would think we're come in cheap and
Speaker 1: we'll get opportunities. I mean we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: Richmond as the best hands since at the draft, since
Speaker 1: you know expansion clubs, and remember those days when we
Speaker 1: picked all those Gold Coast kids and all those Giants kids.
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing to bear in mind is that
Speaker 1: they lost a lot of games by a lot of
Speaker 1: points and often didn't score that well.
Speaker 2: Yes, or if they draft defenders, then if they draft
Speaker 2: forward I don't know him, never heard of him, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean that'll be an interesting question whether
Speaker 1: you pay up for some of these really high draft
Speaker 1: picks when they're going to be playing what we think
Speaker 1: will be a pretty bad team. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: they're gonna get games. I think it's fair to say.
Speaker 3: I have a question for you, l what are your
Speaker 3: thoughts on Tom Lynch, whether it be for draft or classic.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll be cheap. Again we talk about forwards,
Speaker 1: He'll be very cheap. It could be like two hundred grand.
Speaker 1: So it's going to beat this time last year. I said,
Speaker 1: you know that five if you wouldn't get in a
Speaker 1: million years, and then of course I picked him and
Speaker 1: it blew up in my face again, So I should
Speaker 1: learned from that. So I mean, probably not key forwards
Speaker 1: who always injured. It probably not a great recipe for
Speaker 1: Supercotes success. But I mean he has put up some
Speaker 1: massive scores in the past, but that was a few
Speaker 1: years ago now, and yeah, just so injury prone. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you can actually string some games together, I'd just
Speaker 1: be really have for a Richmond fans point of view.
Speaker 1: So I think I'll put a line through him. But
Speaker 1: you know, as you say, never saying everything, he just
Speaker 1: had a red hot preseason and stormed into a round zero.
Speaker 2: He said never all of last preseason and then had
Speaker 2: him right up until he So I do not believe
Speaker 2: you at all.
Speaker 1: Well, as I said, someone has to play for Richmond,
Speaker 1: so they might have to wheel him out.
Speaker 2: Yep, bring him out with some crutches, and you know,
Speaker 2: still still might still might be something might be worth it.
Speaker 3: Another person who I have down here who could be
Speaker 3: impacted by the arrival of a new player, by the
Speaker 3: arrival of Bailey Smith to Geelong, more specifically Jack Bows
Speaker 3: So he finished the year with seventy seven one oh
Speaker 3: five one thirty in Supercoach, currently priced at around four
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty. I was considering him as a bit
Speaker 3: of a value option. But how do you think that
Speaker 3: affects him.
Speaker 1: I think he's sort of draft only. I mean, what
Speaker 1: about Max Holmes who finished the year he was really
Speaker 1: a primo and became from their best mid.
Speaker 3: One of the better value picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he won't be yees much value next year.
Speaker 2: If he's defensive, then I'll have a look. But I
Speaker 2: think if he's mid only, I'd be pretty hard pressed.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be very much a guns and rookies
Speaker 2: set up in the middle next year, possibly with heavy
Speaker 2: emphasis on rookies.
Speaker 3: I should probably learn from that. I went into heavy
Speaker 3: on value last year and it didn't work out.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to know. We haven't seen the
Speaker 2: prices yet. They will start filtering through from the bean
Speaker 2: counters hopefully shortly, hopefully just after the draft, and we'll
Speaker 2: have some fun news around positions and prices then hopefully
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on Coach absolutely and all of that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know, it's hard to really look
Speaker 2: at it too closely. Yeah, as I mentioned before, Bulldogs
Speaker 2: is someone I'm interested in. If Mat Kennedy starts playing
Speaker 2: in the ruck, then sign me up.
Speaker 3: Hit out, Smash.
Speaker 2: Back the Ruck, Smash.
Speaker 1: That's good shared. So yeah, as you said, well, we'll
Speaker 1: be all over there the draft where we get together
Speaker 1: for another one of these in a few weeks time
Speaker 1: and talk about some of those kids, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously rookies are so important in Super Coach, and then
Speaker 1: we will have the prices and the positions. When they
Speaker 1: first came out, these you'll hear them first on the podcast.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll be planning a lot more of these
Speaker 1: over the preseason, and then you know, once we get
Speaker 1: into actual twenty twenty five, we'll be rolling them out
Speaker 1: pretty consistently. So Patch, I've appreciated your time after such
Speaker 1: a hectic teen days. I think we can just have
Speaker 1: a little little lie.
Speaker 2: Down playdown for all of a few weeks, and then
Speaker 2: the draft happens and kicks into gear. No, thank you all.
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure, and Chloe, we've been great having
Speaker 2: you on board.
Speaker 1: That excellent first up performance.
Speaker 3: Happy to be here. I'm excited to jump on a
Speaker 3: few more pods in the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: Dean Polo esque debut from you, I.
Speaker 1: Think a lot more promise for the career going forward, hopefully.
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