Speaker 1: High Scrollers is produced on gadigul Land.
Speaker 2: We pay our respects to the traditional custodians of this
Speaker 2: country and Elder's past and present.
Speaker 1: Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: close screen. We never do intros anymore, we just get
Speaker 1: straight into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we're being really really lazy today. We're answering some
Speaker 1: of your questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be fair, we just sat here for ten
Speaker 2: minutes and we were like, what the fuck? We have
Speaker 2: nothing to.
Speaker 1: Talk about, and usually we have heaps, but we're batch
Speaker 1: recalled nothing.
Speaker 2: Good enough to stretch out for a close friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've jumped in the good old trusty broadcast channel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're going to go through and answer some of
Speaker 1: your questions. And what I'm realizing this must be new Matt.
Speaker 1: In this question box, they're all in order of most
Speaker 1: like to lowest life. Yeah, so like the top one,
Speaker 1: I think we've answered this before while ago. What's the
Speaker 1: biggest fight you to have ever had? I feel like
Speaker 1: we've before We've never had a fight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I wish we had a good story, Like
Speaker 1: I wish we had a story of us, you know,
Speaker 1: having a big fight over something, and you know, we
Speaker 1: could laugh about it now, but maybe that means there's
Speaker 1: a big fight coming, so stay tuned for that. Everyone.
Speaker 1: Look at the next question, is that too inappropriate.
Speaker 2: To would it be a power top bottom or verse?
Speaker 2: If she was a faggot?
Speaker 1: Can you say that? Yeah? What's a verse?
Speaker 2: Verse means both? Oh don't you read the top bottom
Speaker 2: or both? And I'm going to say verse for you, okay,
Speaker 2: because you don't give top energy, but you don't give
Speaker 2: bottom energy. But it feels like you could be both.
Speaker 2: And you are quite versatile in life anyways, So nice,
Speaker 2: that's good. The next one says Matt, what's one thing
Speaker 2: you hate about Fate? And brit what's one thing you
Speaker 2: hate about Matt's content?
Speaker 1: But I feel like your answer is going to be
Speaker 1: the fact that I don't have a men's range?
Speaker 2: Strange, what's one thing you hate about my content?
Speaker 1: Me trying to think of something nice to say because
Speaker 1: what you just said was nice?
Speaker 2: Like, what is it? What could there be about Fate
Speaker 2: that I hate? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like, it's just that I don't have clothes that you
Speaker 1: really wear or you've got a few things, but it's
Speaker 1: just like that you're waiting for the men's range. Something
Speaker 1: that I hate about your content that you don't have
Speaker 1: me in it enough, you don't tag me enough. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's answer this next one, because it's the next liked
Speaker 1: most like one. Okay, let's do it. Well, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'd love to know any tea about what happened with
Speaker 1: Britt and Shell, Barbie and Matt and Michael Pinch ha
Speaker 1: ha ha. Okay, So I'll start with mine because it
Speaker 1: goes way way way back. Uh and this is only
Speaker 1: going to be relevant for those of you that followed
Speaker 1: me back then because I was nineteen. This is thirteen
Speaker 1: years ago. So thirteen years ago or however long it was.
Speaker 1: I made friends with this girl who lived in Brisbane.
Speaker 1: Her name was Shelle.
Speaker 2: Shout out.
Speaker 1: If you're listening, I very highly doubt that she is.
Speaker 1: I made friends with her. I met her online, that's right.
Speaker 1: I just started my YouTube channel. I was working full time.
Speaker 1: She was working full time as a beautician. She started
Speaker 1: her YouTube channel as well, and we just connected in
Speaker 1: like the beauty community. Whatever. Anyway, I went up to
Speaker 1: Queensland to visit her a couple of times and we
Speaker 1: just hit it off. We were making collab videos together.
Speaker 1: Were you following me back then? Matt? Like, do you
Speaker 1: remember that year? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't around for the Shell Barbie or I
Speaker 2: don't think what year would this have been. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm bad at maths. I'm thirty two and I was
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen at the time. Twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: I came into your life just off the back of
Speaker 2: Shell Barbie.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I made really good friends with.
Speaker 2: This girl because you were living up there, weren't you
Speaker 2: with her? Yes? So then you'd move back to new
Speaker 2: and that's when you were in the makeup that's right, Okay.
Speaker 1: So anyway, we were both getting started as beauty gurus
Speaker 1: and both working full time, and I was like waitressing
Speaker 1: and shit. And then because I was nineteen and so
Speaker 1: spontaneous and had not a care in the world, I thought,
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm moving to Brisbane. So I packed my
Speaker 1: cardle roof and I moved to Brisbane. First of all,
Speaker 1: why the fuck did I do that? But it was fun,
Speaker 1: like I didn't care. I had nothing to lose.
Speaker 2: You've also done that in Melbourne and what Perth as well?
Speaker 2: Didn't you?
Speaker 1: I didn't move to Perth, but I spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time over there, and so I just thought it'd
Speaker 1: be fun to have a sea change. I was just
Speaker 1: working a full time job at the pest Control in Newcastle,
Speaker 1: so I quit the best Control and drove up to Brisbane.
Speaker 1: Got a job at a restaurant because it was really
Speaker 1: easy for me to just get a waitressing job, and
Speaker 1: then I eventually landed myself a full time admin roll
Speaker 1: up in Brisbane, being a personal assistant. G James Glass
Speaker 1: and Aluminium shout out.
Speaker 2: To those coins spoken about the Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so then when I first moved up there, Shelle
Speaker 1: was still living at home, and so I moved into
Speaker 1: her like family's house and.
Speaker 2: Her name, Chelle is in Shelley, Like what's her name, Michelle? Michelle?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, And so I moved into like the spare
Speaker 1: room at her family's home. And then once I got
Speaker 1: my full time job, she already had her full time job.
Speaker 1: So then we moved out and got our own rental,
Speaker 1: so like roomies and whatever. And then we were like
Speaker 1: making makeup videos together, club and get ready with me,
Speaker 1: like you know, and we'd started making all these little
Speaker 1: friends in the beauty community, and we went to like
Speaker 1: imats together and all that, like this is back in
Speaker 1: those days, and it was just all fun. And I
Speaker 1: probably had twenty thousand followers at the time, Like it
Speaker 1: was so small. I can't believe I've still got people
Speaker 1: following me from back then, because this was so small,
Speaker 1: like anyway, blessed, Like I was so pissed off when
Speaker 1: all this happened. It wasn't even that big of a deal.
Speaker 1: And I even said it back in the day. So
Speaker 1: we just like I'd just gotten my full time job.
Speaker 1: We just moved into the house, or maybe it was
Speaker 1: six months into the twelve month lease, and I came
Speaker 1: home from work one day and Shell said, I'm I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: I'm going to work on a cruise ship, like doing
Speaker 1: beauty therapy on a cruise ship, like and I'm going
Speaker 1: like basically now. And then so me, like being a
Speaker 1: young emotional gal, I was just like, what the fuck,
Speaker 1: Like I've just moved here, We've just got this house lease,
Speaker 1: and I was just so mad I'd just gotten my
Speaker 1: full time job. And like I didn't not that it
Speaker 1: was her fault, but I didn't have any other friends
Speaker 1: up there or anything. I had my little boyfriend, but
Speaker 1: that was never going to work out anyway, and we
Speaker 1: weren't like living together or anything, and so I was like.
Speaker 2: What the hell?
Speaker 1: So I just moved back to Newcastle, broke the lease
Speaker 1: and that was it, And that was the end of
Speaker 1: the friendship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just like everyone thinks it's just so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, what's the tea? But I even said
Speaker 1: that back then. I was like, she was going to
Speaker 1: work on a cruise ship. So I just moved back
Speaker 1: home because like I couldn't afford the rent by myself,
Speaker 1: which was probably four hundred dollars a week for this
Speaker 1: big apartment back then. It's probably one thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: week now. But I couldn't afford the rent on my own,
Speaker 1: Like I didn't have any other friends, Like I was
Speaker 1: really new there. So I just packed my shit and
Speaker 1: moved home. And that's what happened there. Nice, So what
Speaker 1: happened with you and Michael Binch? What actually happened there? There?
Speaker 2: Really isn't too much to this story either. But I
Speaker 2: think that a lot of people don't realize that Michael
Speaker 2: and I were friends before we started YouTube as well.
Speaker 2: We knew each other since I want to say, I
Speaker 2: was just trying to do the calculations in my head
Speaker 2: while you were telling your story. But I want to
Speaker 2: say two thousand and nine, twenty ten, we met each
Speaker 2: other because we both loved Lady Gaga and so at
Speaker 2: that time, what two thousand and nine, twenty ten, what
Speaker 2: would I have been, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old? And yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just like, you know, we both were from
Speaker 2: kind of rural not the Central Ghost is really rural,
Speaker 2: but he obviously was from Aubrey Wodongo, which is really rural.
Speaker 2: So you just connect and find people on the internet,
Speaker 2: you know that are similar to you, and Michael and
Speaker 2: I are very similar. And we both loved Lady Gaga,
Speaker 2: and we had a few other friends as well in
Speaker 2: this like kind of little friend group and then you know,
Speaker 2: one thing led to another and eventually we start YouTube
Speaker 2: channels and things like that, and yeah, fun. But I
Speaker 2: will say like it was just like a really bitchy
Speaker 2: friendship where we were just young gays who were like
Speaker 2: fifteen years old, Like we were horrible to one another,
Speaker 2: but you know.
Speaker 1: Because then I was friends with you during the time
Speaker 1: that you two became really good But.
Speaker 2: That's when we were like we were now like twenty,
Speaker 2: that's when we're like twenty, that's like five years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I remember we I.
Speaker 2: Don't think that math adds up. Maybe I was no,
Speaker 2: I was definitely like fifteen. I know I was fifteen
Speaker 2: when I knew him. But then I think I started
Speaker 2: my channel when I was maybe nineteen. So yeah, that
Speaker 2: checks out two thousand and nine, twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm a bit funny on the maths,
Speaker 2: theah everyone, But anyway, we all were just really bitchy gays,
Speaker 2: and so we all were pretty stab each other in
Speaker 2: the back kind of vibes. But that's like what it
Speaker 2: was when we were younger, you know. Anyway, then we
Speaker 2: became really good friends. We had a lot of drama,
Speaker 2: which I can't even be bothered. It's not even relevant
Speaker 2: because that was before we even had YouTube channels. But
Speaker 2: we had a lot of drama before that, so we
Speaker 2: were already off to a rocky fucking start. People. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we start our YouTube channel, we both start our YouTube.
Speaker 1: Channels, and I remember, can I say, I so vividly
Speaker 1: remember is this when I come in the picture and
Speaker 1: you is it both starting your YouTube channel, and I
Speaker 1: remember saying I don't know if it was to you
Speaker 1: and Michael when we went on that Sydney weekend away together.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was then, but I remember
Speaker 1: saying saying, to you both, guys, doing makeup is going
Speaker 1: to be so popular really soon. And then that's when
Speaker 1: he started getting into his makeup tutorials more and more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at that time, the funniest part was you
Speaker 2: and I had known each other from previous working in
Speaker 2: the same center, blah blah blah, just keeping in contact.
Speaker 2: But at that point we were kind of like acquaintances.
Speaker 2: Would you say we weren't really like really good friends.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, we just met working at Westfield.
Speaker 2: Because I remember doing going to that Sydney weekend. I
Speaker 2: remember him being your friend and me not so much
Speaker 2: being your friend, me being like the one on the outside,
Speaker 2: like I was like the third.
Speaker 1: Week context the three of us decided to have a
Speaker 1: weekend away in Sydney was Imatz was on International Makeup
Speaker 1: Artist trade.
Speaker 2: Show, by the way, and we all went down to
Speaker 2: Sydney and and and Brittany and Michael were friends, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I was friends with both of them.
Speaker 2: But Brittany and I never really had more than a
Speaker 2: surface level conversation by this.
Speaker 1: But you and I got along really well on that trip,
Speaker 1: Like we hit it.
Speaker 2: Off and he didn't like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was bitchy energy from like both of you.
Speaker 1: And I remember we went out for dinner in Darling
Speaker 1: Harbor there and we went to that like, what's that
Speaker 1: restaurant that's on the corner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it starts with C Yeah, and I used to
Speaker 2: love it. And they did the Sprinkle Cosmopolitan.
Speaker 1: Yes, we went and got that. And I remember even
Speaker 1: then YouTube were like bickering at each other and.
Speaker 2: Being but we always did. We always had a bickering
Speaker 2: friendship where we'd just be.
Speaker 1: Like, like you get on each other's nerves really, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember that weekend it was just like tens.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we stayed friends for ages after that, but that
Speaker 2: was just our friendship. So you have to understand that
Speaker 2: was our friendship all the time. And then I think
Speaker 2: what happened was in the end the in the end,
Speaker 2: he was working at a lolly store.
Speaker 1: Yes, remember all videos about the Lolli show. Yes, like
Speaker 1: we'd get candy.
Speaker 2: Sent Yes, he'd send it to everyone, so I remember
Speaker 2: at the time, Shani wasn't friends with any of us.
Speaker 2: In fact, you'd had problems with Sharne because remember she
Speaker 2: you collabed with her, and then she thought you lost
Speaker 2: the footage on purpose or something, and I ended up
Speaker 2: running it.
Speaker 1: Years later, I did a collab video with Shany in
Speaker 1: this studio at the Gold Coast and we did each
Speaker 1: other's like the blindfold and makeup challenge, and because we
Speaker 1: were filming at a studio, we weren't like using our
Speaker 1: cameras or anything. The person at the studio lost the
Speaker 1: memory card and then I said to her, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: like this memory card is lost. This is when we
Speaker 1: were both like starting to grow on social media. And
Speaker 1: then I don't know was it Twitter or something back
Speaker 1: in the day, she tweeted that like I deleted the
Speaker 1: footage on purpose, and then I got fucking hated on
Speaker 1: by Shanny's audience. I was like, no, I've genuinely like,
Speaker 1: why would I intentionally lose this memory card, like I
Speaker 1: wanted to put up these videos. And the guy from
Speaker 1: the studio ended up finding it like a year or
Speaker 1: more later, He's like, I found that memory card that
Speaker 1: I lost.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. So that was a bit of a
Speaker 2: bit of fun done by then. Yeah, anyway, we're all
Speaker 2: good now. By the way, everyone yeah like we love Shanny.
Speaker 2: Well I always have love Shani, but yeah, she that
Speaker 2: happened anyway, So there was always drama then then there
Speaker 2: was just always always drama with someone and something and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And that was just the the crux
Speaker 2: of mine and Michael's friendship is there was always drama,
Speaker 2: but we also had no one else to lean on.
Speaker 2: I feel like we both had our We both were
Speaker 2: very similar in the fact that we were both men
Speaker 2: who wore makeup and came from places that didn't accept
Speaker 2: who we were, etcetera. So we did also confine in
Speaker 2: each other and felt, you know, very safe with one another.
Speaker 2: So anyway, then we ended up dating. Not kidding, I
Speaker 2: was like, what, I just thought to make sure you're
Speaker 2: all still with me? Well, no, but that sounded like
Speaker 2: I was going down that path, didn't I. But seriously
Speaker 2: we did. We had that kind of safety and security
Speaker 2: with each other and even with all the drama. Anyway,
Speaker 2: he was working in the lolly short shop. I remember
Speaker 2: he sent Shanny a bunch of lollies and then he
Speaker 2: was like, oh, and Shannie did the video, and he
Speaker 2: was like in contact with Shanni and then went up
Speaker 2: and did her makeup or something, and then that's when
Speaker 2: they had their friendship blossom. And I think at the time,
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I'm hazy on the details. I definitely
Speaker 2: was still friends with him, but I don't know whether
Speaker 2: you were friends with him at this point or whether
Speaker 2: that came later.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I was ever like close close
Speaker 1: friends with Michael, Like I feel like it was always
Speaker 1: like a like through you really.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's so weird because I feel like it wasn't
Speaker 2: like that, but.
Speaker 1: Anyway, how it was to me like I was always
Speaker 1: an outsider.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's fucking bizarre, because I feel like I was
Speaker 2: the outsider to begin with, and then he probably feels
Speaker 2: he was the outsider as well at one point or another.
Speaker 1: I feel like Michael and I like just lost touch,
Speaker 1: And I also feel like him and Shanni rose to
Speaker 1: such fame back then. I do like not to shame
Speaker 1: either of them, like they're both legend, but I think
Speaker 1: they got very caught up in their own little Shanni
Speaker 1: and Michael bubble that like all the other YouTubers kind
Speaker 1: of got left behind kind of thing. Like that's what
Speaker 1: I would say had part in your relationship.
Speaker 2: With basically yeah, but he then got famous.
Speaker 1: And I think we then felt like we were left
Speaker 1: behind kind of thing. But it's like we were there
Speaker 1: from the start, like I think it was that was
Speaker 1: the reason that like the relationship kind of just dwindled
Speaker 1: because we got left behind and they were doing all
Speaker 1: their massive meet and greets and everything, and then it
Speaker 1: was like we just all lost touch kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and maybe we weren't relevant enough, Like I'm just saying it,
Speaker 1: like I felt like we weren't relevant enough anymore to
Speaker 1: collab with them because they were just on this massive.
Speaker 2: Trajectory, yeah, which is yeah, essentially like how I I
Speaker 2: guess I felt at the time because he just like
Speaker 2: ghosted me at the time, which also I get it.
Speaker 2: He was probably so busy, couldn't be bothered as well,
Speaker 2: big and famous whatever, busy. We're also on two different
Speaker 2: wavelengths now. He was wearing all the designer stuff. I
Speaker 2: couldn't afford any of that, Like we're two different people now,
Speaker 2: there's too much of a separation.
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing as well, Like we were
Speaker 1: all so young, we were literally teenagers and like going
Speaker 1: into our early twenties, like we all change in evolved
Speaker 1: so much in those years in our life, and we
Speaker 1: were just all doing that in front of an audience.
Speaker 2: I also want to say, I feel like there was
Speaker 2: so much more to this that I have just forgotten about.
Speaker 2: I feel like we are we have lived a fucking life,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I, first of all, also want
Speaker 2: to say, there's to make it clear, there's absolutely no
Speaker 2: bad blood. Now. We actually made up at the TikTok
Speaker 2: Awards last year. Michael and I. I mean, we hadn't
Speaker 2: spoken in like six seven years or something. I feel
Speaker 2: like the we I noticed he unfollowed me years ago,
Speaker 2: and so I unfollowed him once I had realized that
Speaker 2: he had unfollowed me, and we just hadn't spoken, cross
Speaker 2: paths or nothing in like seven years. It was bizarre
Speaker 2: that we didn't actually run into each other. And then
Speaker 2: obviously he was nominated for the TikTok Award, so I
Speaker 2: knew it. I was I knew that I was going
Speaker 2: to see him, and I was a little bit apprehensive,
Speaker 2: but I was a.
Speaker 1: Little bit and I was saying, no Matt, He's going
Speaker 1: to be fine, but when you haven't seen an old
Speaker 1: friend for so long, and then anyway, it was like
Speaker 1: how are like? And it was all well and good.
Speaker 2: And we kind of had a conversation about it about
Speaker 2: how like silly the whole thing was. And then you
Speaker 2: know what's funny is that night he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: looking for new management, and I went, well, come to
Speaker 2: my management company. They're fabulous, and he has signed with
Speaker 2: them now, so I feel like I'll see him a
Speaker 2: lot more. But yeah, I mean, even with all the
Speaker 2: bickering and the nonsense and the drama that went on,
Speaker 2: and I mean there was just so much and so
Speaker 2: much of that stuff that's just so if I actually
Speaker 2: could remember it today, we'd go, what the fuck did
Speaker 2: we cause a drama about that?
Speaker 1: For me?
Speaker 2: You know, we just ah, wait, there was always a drama,
Speaker 2: But that's at that time. I feel I'm very different
Speaker 2: now and I feel he's very different now. But at
Speaker 2: that time, Mountain out of a mole hill was both
Speaker 2: of our things like the tiniest bit of drama and
Speaker 2: it was, oh my god, it was such a big deal.
Speaker 1: And I think, like the interesting thing about like having
Speaker 1: friendships online for example, like mine and shell Barbie from
Speaker 1: back in the day, Like people come and go from
Speaker 1: your life all the time. And I find that people
Speaker 1: were always so heavily critical of people coming and going
Speaker 1: from friendships, like in the public eye, like I remember
Speaker 1: people saying like, oh, Brittany and Shell Barbie aren't friends anymore,
Speaker 1: Brittany can't keep a friend, blah blah blah. But like,
Speaker 1: welcome to life, Like people come and go from our
Speaker 1: life throughout our whole life, and that's totally fine and normal.
Speaker 1: And the fact that we still get asked about that
Speaker 1: to this day, it's like quite interesting, but like it's
Speaker 1: never anything big. It's just like nineteen year olds like
Speaker 1: nav gating through life in this new social media world
Speaker 1: that we were in, for sure, And it's not not deep.
Speaker 2: And I hold no resentment from all the things that
Speaker 2: happened back then. Who fucking cares, say, La V move on.
Speaker 2: We're thirty out, Like, let's get a fucking grip, girls,
Speaker 2: And he's obviously very happy, and we've spoken a little
Speaker 2: bit since the TikTok Awards, but really not that much.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's funny is when Gaga announced her tour of course
Speaker 2: that was the first thing we spoke about to each other.
Speaker 2: We were like, oh my god, you go and go
Speaker 2: see saying Brisbane laugh, here we go. So that was nice,
Speaker 2: and I do hope that Michael and I get to
Speaker 2: see each other events and things a bit more. Especially
Speaker 2: it's just one of those things as well. We are.
Speaker 2: It's been ten years. We are totally different people and
Speaker 2: now I quite enjoy him, whereas I think at the
Speaker 2: back in the day we were just bitchy. We're just
Speaker 2: jealous of each other. We just if it was I
Speaker 2: remember almost been in competition with him. If I got
Speaker 2: an opportunity, he was obvious, he'd get jealous, and if
Speaker 2: he got an opportunity, I'd be fucking livid, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So yeah, anyway, no bad blood. That's
Speaker 2: the story. Michael. If this has made its way back
Speaker 2: to you love your dull, I hope you're will. They're
Speaker 2: all old as fun, No bad blood, you know.
Speaker 1: I think we should wrap it up there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we didn't really answer many questions.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that, everyone, but I'm sure everyone will love
Speaker 1: to hear the story times that we've just told. So
Speaker 1: that's another bot.
Speaker 2: Someone asked how much did you win on the pokes
Speaker 2: in Vegas?
Speaker 1: Not telling I won, I can say I want fucking nothing.
Speaker 1: I want nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at a lot of people said, how do
Speaker 2: you two meet. We've already said, listen to the first
Speaker 2: ever episode.
Speaker 1: We met at Westfield when we were working there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're full stories in the first episode though. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, that's all. We'll keep the rest of them
Speaker 2: for another time because there's quite a lot in there.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks for listening. We'll see you next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.