WEBVTT - Sharri | 15 May

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening tonight Trump's controversial Middle East tour. He's praising

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<v Speaker 2>terrorists and reshaping American foreign policy. Meanwhile, golf billions flow

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<v Speaker 2>into Trump family ventures. Tonight we take a look at

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<v Speaker 2>the money trail behind his visit. Five months, no arrests,

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<v Speaker 2>no answers. Now concerning news about the criminals behind Theodash

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<v Speaker 2>Synagogue fire bombing. I'll discuss this with Alex Rifchen and

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<v Speaker 2>she was just three years old when her parents were

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<v Speaker 2>murdered before her eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was taken hostage in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>The aunt of little Abigail will join me live in

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<v Speaker 2>studio and she'll share the fierce battle to rescue this

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<v Speaker 2>toddler from terrorists, plus anger as labor presses ahead with

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<v Speaker 2>its plan to tax unrealized capital gains. Warren Hogan will

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<v Speaker 2>be on the show a bit later, but first tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump's trip to the Middle East marks a pivotal

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<v Speaker 2>shift in American foreign policy, laden with historic ambition, strategic recalibration,

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<v Speaker 2>and unsettling controversy. Trump has signed over a trillion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>worth of deals with golf nations, including Saudi Arabia, the

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<v Speaker 2>UAE and Katar. These agreements span defense, energy, and technology,

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<v Speaker 2>redefining American ties with the Arab world and creating new

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on Iran's long standing influence in the region.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's one of Trump's goals, and it's clear He's

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<v Speaker 3>seeking to draw the golf away from the malign influence

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<v Speaker 3>of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Iranian regime and forge deeper economic and strategic ties between

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<v Speaker 2>moderate Arab powers and the US. He envisions a new

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East where Saudi Arabia and even Syria might normalize

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<v Speaker 2>relations with Israel, expanding on the Abraham Accords that he

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<v Speaker 2>achieved during.

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<v Speaker 3>His first term.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a monumental shift in global foreign policy. It's

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<v Speaker 2>underway right now, and Trump's actions here in seeking to

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<v Speaker 2>reshape the influence in the Middle East have been little

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<v Speaker 2>understood or even analyzed in the international media. Yet for

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<v Speaker 2>all the geopolitical promise, this trip has sparked significant ethical

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<v Speaker 2>and even national security concerns. The trip has its complexities.

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<v Speaker 2>It's provided strong investment in American companies and it's energized

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<v Speaker 2>the markets globally, but it also cements relationships that are

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<v Speaker 2>bolstering the pockets of the Trump family in ways that

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<v Speaker 2>are undeniable. The Trump family is directly profiting from deals

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<v Speaker 2>across the Gulf, from Trump branded real estate developments to

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<v Speaker 2>golf sovereign funds investing in Trump linked ventures. The lines

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<v Speaker 2>now between diplomacy and private gain are dangerously blurring.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll come back to this point in a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Katari ruling family's gift of a four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar aircraft to Trump, intended to replace Air Force

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<v Speaker 2>One at least temporarily.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the flashpoint of this.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are two issues here, a gift of this

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<v Speaker 2>size from a foreign government and the fact that's from Qatar,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been harboring and financing her must terrorist leadership

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<v Speaker 2>for years. I mean, protecting the terrorists who've even attacked

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<v Speaker 2>American civilians, rather than demanding they return hostages and stop

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<v Speaker 2>financing terror is quite something. One conservative influence in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>Laura Luma, put it well when she said America shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>accept a gift from jihadists in suits, and of course

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<v Speaker 2>she is referring that to that Katari gift of the plane.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke today with The Australian's foreign editor, Greg Sheridan,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said the notion that American needed to accept

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<v Speaker 2>a plane from Qatar was an idea that would be

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<v Speaker 2>even too preposterous for Evelyn war He said, I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>believe the most powerful and richest nation in the world

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<v Speaker 2>has to take a charity jet from Qatar, and that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump would think it's even appropriate for it to become

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<v Speaker 2>part of his presidential library. And then there's the concerns

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<v Speaker 2>about listening devices, and security experts have warned about potential

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<v Speaker 2>embedded surveillance technology.

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<v Speaker 4>Could you trust that this thing wouldn't be bugged in

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<v Speaker 4>some way that would be very hard to find?

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<v Speaker 5>Of course not.

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<v Speaker 1>He really would have to be worried about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And The Wall Street Journal reports that even Republicans who

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<v Speaker 2>support Trump were deeply unc comfortable with this, both from

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<v Speaker 2>a security perspective and whether the aircraft would have the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to refuel in mid air or their technology for

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<v Speaker 2>an airborne command center.

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<v Speaker 3>Because a presidential plane is different.

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<v Speaker 2>It includes sophisticated defense and communication systems so that a

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<v Speaker 2>president can conduct his full duties, including commanding the military,

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<v Speaker 2>while in flight, and parts of the plane are so

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<v Speaker 2>secret that reporters traveling with the president are barred from

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<v Speaker 2>photographing certain sections up close.

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<v Speaker 3>That's in the Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Trump has rejected all these criticisms and said the

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<v Speaker 2>plane would save taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>But I thought it was a beautiful gesture. Now there

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<v Speaker 3>are those that say we.

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<v Speaker 6>Shouldn't be accepting gifts to the Defense Department, And I

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<v Speaker 6>would say, only a stupid person would say that, why

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<v Speaker 6>wouldn't we do that? Then?

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<v Speaker 3>So it helps us out because we'll have a relatively new.

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<v Speaker 7>Plane instead of having forty year old planes.

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<v Speaker 3>These planes are forty years old.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are many Republicans against it, among them Nikki Haley.

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<v Speaker 2>She said on x that accepting gifts from foreign nations

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<v Speaker 2>threatens intelligence and national security, especially when that nation supports

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<v Speaker 2>a terror organization and allows those terror regimes to live

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<v Speaker 2>on its soil. Regardless of how beautiful the plane may be,

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<v Speaker 2>it opens a door and implies the president and US

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<v Speaker 2>can be bought.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a line the Democrats are now running to.

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<v Speaker 8>A White House has a for sale sign on the

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<v Speaker 8>front line, and everybody knows it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Obama's former chief of staff Ramamanuel, who said on

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<v Speaker 2>that left leaning show the View that he was personally

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<v Speaker 2>offered bribes when he went on an official visit to

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<v Speaker 2>Saudi Arabia.

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<v Speaker 8>And I went to Saudi Rabuilt with President Obama first trip.

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<v Speaker 8>First thing I get that we're at the king's ranch

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<v Speaker 8>for his horses. You get there, you walk in the

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<v Speaker 8>room and there was an ostridge briefcase. I opened it up.

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<v Speaker 8>Diamond necklaces, ear rings, bracelets.

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<v Speaker 3>Room.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I took a photo.

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<v Speaker 8>I sent it to my wife family. Not happening. I

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<v Speaker 8>only have to take it and you have to go

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<v Speaker 8>to the room next door with the State Department chronicles everything.

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<v Speaker 8>They made sure everything, the idea that you're going to

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<v Speaker 8>take a jet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just Democrats. Many Republicans are highly concerned. They're

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<v Speaker 2>even speaking out publicly, and among those who've done so,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Shapiro, Senator Rick Scott, Ted Cruz, host Mark Levine,

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<v Speaker 2>Cynthia Loomis, Round Paul and John Thune. Another highly controversial

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<v Speaker 2>moment on this Middle East visit was Trump's meeting with

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<v Speaker 2>Syria's new leader, Ahmed al Sharrah. He's a United States

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<v Speaker 2>designated terrorist who previously led a fundamentalist Islamic jihadi group,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was the first meeting between an American and

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<v Speaker 2>Syrian president in twenty five years. Skeptics of this meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>including the Wall Street Journal, note the lack of precedent

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<v Speaker 2>for a former jihadist leading a nation towards peace. Their

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<v Speaker 2>editorial board said, there's no precedent for former al Qaeda

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<v Speaker 2>commander such as mister Sharrah, who rallied jihadist from Syria

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<v Speaker 2>and beyond leading a state to peace.

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<v Speaker 3>Stability, and amity with the West.

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<v Speaker 2>But even more astonishing than the meeting itself is that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump lifted decades old economic sanctions on Syria without extracting

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<v Speaker 2>concrete concessions. Now, these are sanctions that first started in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy nine. Isn't this simply basic negotiation principles for

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<v Speaker 2>which Trump prides himself And then he lavished praise on

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<v Speaker 2>the terror leader.

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<v Speaker 9>How did you find the Syrian president.

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<v Speaker 10>Young? Attracted?

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<v Speaker 6>Yai tells.

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<v Speaker 11>Strong mass mass fighter. Does that worry about shouting?

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to really shouted, living together.

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<v Speaker 2>But Trump did encourage Sharah to normalize relations with Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>to kick out foreign terrorists and help defeat Islamic state.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump's strategic goal is to draw Syria away from

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<v Speaker 2>the destructive and evil influence of the Ayatolas of Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, let's hope Trump's.

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<v Speaker 2>Diplomatic gamble pays off and it doesn't end up being

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<v Speaker 2>a dangerous legitimization of another brutal Syrian regime. But there

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<v Speaker 2>are increasing concerns that Trump has sidelined Israel, and he has,

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<v Speaker 2>in at least three instances, betrayed his long standing in

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<v Speaker 2>America's long standing ally and strategic partner.

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump negotiated a ceasefire with Yemen's.

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<v Speaker 2>Hooties while the terrorists were still targeting Israel, including bombing

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<v Speaker 2>a site frighteningly close to Tel Aviv's Bengurian Airport, and then,

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<v Speaker 2>even more bizarrely, the US President praised the Hooties.

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<v Speaker 6>We had a very good outcome with the Hooties. They

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<v Speaker 6>took tremendous punishment, and you know, you could say there's

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of bravery there. That it was amazing what

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<v Speaker 6>they took. But we honored their commitment and they gave

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<v Speaker 6>us their word that they wouldn't be shooting ships anymore,

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<v Speaker 6>and we honor that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just to understand what he just said, that

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<v Speaker 2>the Hooties have been interrupting the international shipping trade for

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<v Speaker 2>nearly two years now and Trump is describing them as brave.

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<v Speaker 2>They are terrorists, and the message Trump is sending is

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel's security wasn't a prerequisite for America's deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the Hooties. I mean, how can Trump kind of deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the hooties and allow them to continue striking Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>There are also.

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<v Speaker 2>Concerns that Trump is drawn to the grandeur, the luxury,

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<v Speaker 2>the extravagance of these royal receptions.

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<v Speaker 3>He's getting the extravagant gifts as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Weese's Free Press did quite the investigation where they

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<v Speaker 2>reported on the financial ties between Trump's administration and Qatar.

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<v Speaker 2>And this includes his FBI director, attorney general, and chief

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<v Speaker 2>of staff. Even Steve Whitcoff reportedly happens to be a

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<v Speaker 2>beneficiary of Qatar's largesse.

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Katar's sovereign wealth fund bought out his faltering investment in

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<v Speaker 2>New York's Park Lane Hotel for six hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three million dollars. Now, this is all perfectly legal. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>that I just mentioned, there nothing illegal about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all perfectly illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>And so is the fact that Jared Kushner's private equity

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<v Speaker 2>fund reportedly had a two billion dollar investment from Saudi

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<v Speaker 2>Arabia's public investment fund. It also had investments from Qatar

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<v Speaker 2>and Abu Dhabi based firms. And Eric Trump has also

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<v Speaker 2>made headlines for promoting his cryptocurrency firm in Dubai ahead

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<v Speaker 2>of his dad's trip to the golf. And meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump Organization, which is managed by Donald Trump Junior, is

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<v Speaker 2>building a new luxury golf resort near Doha, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is in partnership with the Qatari company. Again all legal,

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<v Speaker 2>but worth keeping in mind that Qatar has been financing

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian terrorism and protecting hermas leaders terrorists that have kidnapped

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<v Speaker 2>and killed not just Israeli citizens, but American citizens as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Free Press reports that members of Katar's royal

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<v Speaker 2>family openly express support for Hermas shaikher Masa bint Nasa,

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<v Speaker 2>she's the mother of katarz Emir and the chairperson of

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<v Speaker 2>an educational nonprofit funneling millions into American schools, praised the

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<v Speaker 2>master mind of October seven. That's Yaha Yahwa Sinhwa. She

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<v Speaker 2>said on x he will live on after his death

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<v Speaker 2>last year and they will be gone. So what we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing here is personal enrichment, praise for terror leaders, and

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<v Speaker 2>acceptance of gifts from problematic regimes. Trump's Middle East tour

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<v Speaker 2>presents a complex picture, both legitimate, even praiseworthy strategic ambition

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<v Speaker 2>for America, but also call ambiguity.

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<v Speaker 3>His visit has been.

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<v Speaker 2>Economically and strategically beneficial for the United States, no question,

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<v Speaker 2>and perhaps even potentially it could turn out to be

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<v Speaker 2>beneficial for Israel if, and it's a big if, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>can convince Saudi Arabia and Syria to normalize ties with

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<v Speaker 2>the Jewish State. His trip reflects a bold vision to

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<v Speaker 2>shape a volatile region and erode arounds dominance, while also

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<v Speaker 2>raising concerns about personal gain, diplomatic judgment, and his treatment

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<v Speaker 2>of key allies like Israel. Now, if Trump can convert

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<v Speaker 2>grand gestures into lasting peace and genuine realignment without compromising

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<v Speaker 2>his or America's national security and principles, then history may

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<v Speaker 2>judge this visit more positively than today's headlines suggest. For now,

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<v Speaker 2>Trump perhaps deserves the benefit of the doubt as we

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<v Speaker 2>wait to see what unfolds in the coming days. All Right,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's bring in now National Senator Matt Canavan and

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<v Speaker 2>WA liberal leader Basil Zemplis.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the big work for News today was that the

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<v Speaker 2>Greens have elected Queensland Senator Larissa Waters to replace former

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<v Speaker 2>leader Adam band Now.

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<v Speaker 3>She beat Marine Ferruki and Sarah Hanson Young.

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<v Speaker 2>But it appears, given by her first press conference today,

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<v Speaker 2>that she learned no lessons at all from the election,

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<v Speaker 2>because yet again she was focusing on Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a look where the Greens.

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<v Speaker 12>So, of course we stand firm always on social justice

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<v Speaker 12>and human rights, whether that's First Nations justice, whether that's

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<v Speaker 12>a free Palestine, whether that's peace and human rights. Globally,

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<v Speaker 12>we will always be there calling out atrocities, calling out

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<v Speaker 12>a genocide and standing strongly on.

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<v Speaker 9>Social justice and human rights.

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<v Speaker 12>I know a lot of wonderful Jewish voters who are

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<v Speaker 12>backing the Green because they don't want to genocide either.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's highly offensive to Jewish Australians. Apparently she

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<v Speaker 2>thinks some Jews are wonderful if they're backing the Greens,

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<v Speaker 2>if they agree there's a genocide in Guys or what,

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<v Speaker 2>of course there's no genocide now.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, have a look at Marine Ferouki. She's in denial

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<v Speaker 3>about how badly the Greens lost.

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<v Speaker 13>Migrant and multicultural communities have in the tens of thousands

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<v Speaker 13>across Sydney, across Brisbane, across Melbourne backed our strong stand

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<v Speaker 13>against the genocide in Gaza. To the right wing media,

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<v Speaker 13>to the billionaires, to the big cooperations, and to the

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<v Speaker 13>Albanesi government.

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<v Speaker 9>This is our message.

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<v Speaker 13>We are not going to take a step backwards on

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<v Speaker 13>action on climate, on the environment, on housing, and for

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<v Speaker 13>justice for Palestine. Our voters have put us there to

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<v Speaker 13>fight people and the planet and that is exactly what

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<v Speaker 13>we will be doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Basil.

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<v Speaker 2>If this continues to be the Greens focus, They're just

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<v Speaker 2>going to descend into irrelevance.

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<v Speaker 3>Won't they.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there are lots of political parties right at the

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<v Speaker 4>moment looking deep within, as they should after an election result.

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<v Speaker 4>The Liberal Party is clearly doing that. I'm a part

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<v Speaker 4>of that at state level. The Greens maybe they haven't

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<v Speaker 4>missed the memo, but maybe they're just not going about

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<v Speaker 4>it in the right way. I mean, they can't have

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<v Speaker 4>been any more public a rebuke for what they took

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<v Speaker 4>forward and what they stood for than Adam Bant being

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<v Speaker 4>thrown out. He's the highest profile Green by a mile,

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<v Speaker 4>the leader of the party. He's driven all of their

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<v Speaker 4>policy and their communications, and the response from those people

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<v Speaker 4>in his seat of Melbourne was to turf him out.

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<v Speaker 4>So how that history, recent history, by the way, is

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<v Speaker 4>suddenly being rewritten or at least reinterpreted by his colleagues

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<v Speaker 4>who remain is baffling, and it certainly shows that they're

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<v Speaker 4>not learning or haven't looked for the lessons from the

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<v Speaker 4>election just gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly right, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to sit with these senators every single day

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<v Speaker 2>that you're in Canberra. I mean, we were all thrilled

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<v Speaker 2>that the Greens last three of their lower House seats,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you look at it, it is a depressing

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<v Speaker 2>thought that they now have control with Labor in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, you're absolutely right, Shari. They were their platform. The

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<v Speaker 14>Greens extremism was rejected by the Electric but they've been

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<v Speaker 14>accepted by the Parliament. Given the vagaries of the Senate,

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<v Speaker 14>keep in mind only half of the Greens are up

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<v Speaker 14>for elct Green centers are up for election as per

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<v Speaker 14>the Senate's rules, and you only need if you get

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<v Speaker 14>nine to ten percent of the vote, like the Greens do.

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<v Speaker 14>You tend to get a center up anyway. So while

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<v Speaker 14>they had swings away from them, they still were able

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<v Speaker 14>to maintain their Senate representation, and then just given it

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<v Speaker 14>all the other changes in the Senate, they've ended up

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<v Speaker 14>in the situation where the Labor Party now.

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<v Speaker 1>Can pass any law it wants with just the support

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<v Speaker 1>of the Greens.

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<v Speaker 14>That they don't need Lydia Thorpe, they don't need fatom

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<v Speaker 14>a payment, David Pocock, They're all irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 1>They just need the Greens.

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<v Speaker 14>So this will be a real test for the Labor

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<v Speaker 14>Party now and something that should be of concern to

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<v Speaker 14>all Australs because clearly the Greens here are not going

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<v Speaker 14>to change. They're not listening. I mean, I have said

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<v Speaker 14>we need to listen. I've said we need to change

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<v Speaker 14>our approach because we lost, we got thrash. But you

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<v Speaker 14>just hear there from Larissa Waters that they're not listening

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<v Speaker 14>at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to double down.

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<v Speaker 14>And the question now is will the Labor Party back

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<v Speaker 14>down to the extreme demands of the Greens and take

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<v Speaker 14>this country much, much, much more extreme.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I'm afraid of as well, especially when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to tax policy, you know, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about this a bit later with Warren Hogan.

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<v Speaker 2>But you just think how much further on tax will

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<v Speaker 2>the government go if the Greens are demanding changes to

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<v Speaker 2>capital gains tax or taxes, inheritance taxes. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's a terrifying prospect because the Albanzi government knows it

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<v Speaker 2>currently has no genuine competition, no threat from the Liberal Party. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister is currently in Indonesia, where he's refused

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<v Speaker 2>to answer questions about what Australia knew about Russia's request

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<v Speaker 2>for closer military ties with Indonesia.

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<v Speaker 9>Here he was, we know that continiesa are things.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's the question.

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<v Speaker 11>Indonesia's answer is no. That made it very clear. But

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<v Speaker 11>what's the question that made it very clear? Not for

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<v Speaker 11>me to comment on what occurs between countries that are

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<v Speaker 11>not Australia. What is important is Australia's position, Our positions clear,

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<v Speaker 11>Indonesia's positions clear as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Albanesi doesn't seem to like transparency.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that is a conclusion that we can draw certainly

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<v Speaker 4>based on that response. Anyway, you know this is a

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<v Speaker 4>Now Anthony Alberonizi, now, isn't it. He's just been returned

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<v Speaker 4>in very emphatic fashion. And I think what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 4>signaled here is how he's going to deal with some

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<v Speaker 4>of those issues. Now, some people will say, well, he's

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<v Speaker 4>earn't that right, or at least the majority that he's

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<v Speaker 4>had is going to dictate how he approaches.

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<v Speaker 1>The next three years.

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<v Speaker 4>He'll be aware that he can't push it too far,

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<v Speaker 4>but the early signs are he's going to do how

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<v Speaker 4>he wants to do it and is empowered to be

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<v Speaker 4>able to do it that way. Transparency is an issue

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<v Speaker 4>that Ozzie's will really really start to rail against, though

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<v Speaker 4>if there's not enough of it shown and I reckon

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<v Speaker 4>this message or this on morning goes both ways, We'll

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<v Speaker 4>see how it goes from here.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not just tran transparency that's an issue. But Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>remember when Murray what described the suggestion that Russia was

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<v Speaker 2>asking to have its weapons and aircraft in Indonesia as

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<v Speaker 2>like believing in the lock next monster. But then Russia

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<v Speaker 2>when and publicly confer that it had made these requests

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<v Speaker 2>of Indonesia. So this is not just about failing to

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<v Speaker 2>be upfront with the Australian public, but it's almost hiding

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<v Speaker 2>the truth when it comes to a matter of public

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<v Speaker 2>interest in national security.

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<v Speaker 14>Well marriage just to blowhard Shari and that demonstrated by

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<v Speaker 14>that outburst. And look, I will say here I don't

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<v Speaker 14>expect the Australian government to disclose all of its intelligence

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<v Speaker 14>that it may receive at different times, So there is

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<v Speaker 14>some rationale for the Prime Minister not to reveal everything here.

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<v Speaker 14>But my concern is not so much about what the

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<v Speaker 14>Prime Minister knew and when he knew it, but more

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<v Speaker 14>what is he doing Because it's been very clear that

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<v Speaker 14>Indonesia is getting closer to Russia for some time. You

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<v Speaker 14>don't need stories about or crazy conspiracies about locknest monsters

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<v Speaker 14>to know that Indonesia announced earlier this year, publicly announced

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<v Speaker 14>at the beginning of this year that it was joining

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<v Speaker 14>officially joining the bristocled Bricks Coalition, which is notionally a

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<v Speaker 14>grouping of country. He's aligned against the United States and

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<v Speaker 14>it's allies. So we knew that, and it's just not

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<v Speaker 14>clear what the government has done in response. I mean,

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<v Speaker 14>how are we doing to secure our defense needs, our

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<v Speaker 14>energy needs, our national securities. Why hasn't the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 14>gone to visit Donald Trump to discuss these matters?

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<v Speaker 1>The election now was how long ago?

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<v Speaker 15>Was it?

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<v Speaker 14>Now we're looking at the US presidential election. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 14>but he had plenty of time to do that, either

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<v Speaker 14>this year or last year. Plenty of people were going

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<v Speaker 14>to see him before the inauguration, and clearly the Albanize

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<v Speaker 14>government would have new and know when something was up.

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<v Speaker 14>And I just don't know what have you done in

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<v Speaker 14>response to protect our country?

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not so sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Richard Miles is acting prime minister while Albanizi is overseas,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was grilled today about his role in dumping

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<v Speaker 2>Ed Husick and Mark Drafers.

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<v Speaker 1>What's mister hughsy right to call you a factional assassin?

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<v Speaker 16>Look, I'm not going to go into that. As I say,

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<v Speaker 16>this is a difficult process. We have a lot of

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<v Speaker 16>really talented people.

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<v Speaker 3>What fractional assassin?

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<v Speaker 1>Though?

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<v Speaker 16>Well, again, I don't accept that these are collective processes.

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<v Speaker 16>As I said, they are obviously difficult processes.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you saying you had nothing to do with this?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that these are collective processes.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you ignore all phone calls from anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, again, I'm not going to go into the details.

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<v Speaker 17>Of has a factional fighting taken the shine off labors?

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<v Speaker 3>Win, and what responsibility do you take for that?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so. We have seen a remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>election victory.

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<v Speaker 2>Basila reported earlier this week that Richard Miles was the

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<v Speaker 2>fall guy and that it was Alban Easy who wanted

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<v Speaker 2>ed Who's it gone? From the ministry and his comments

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<v Speaker 2>today Marles's comments today saying this was a collective decision,

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to confirm this.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, perhaps not necessarily, but perhaps they have done that.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what is clear is that that big victory,

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<v Speaker 4>only eight days later, Ed Husick is on television and

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<v Speaker 4>spilling the beans and certainly spilling his emotions. And it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it how quickly you can get away from that

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<v Speaker 4>big victory when things are unsettled within the camp. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the system that delivers them ministerial portfolios, and

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<v Speaker 4>it is also the system which takes ministerial portfolios away.

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<v Speaker 4>They live and they die by it. In Hugh Six's case,

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<v Speaker 4>he's died by it. So has Mark Dreyfus. But those

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<v Speaker 4>aren't They weren't convincing and well done the press pack,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got to so they didn't let him get away

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<v Speaker 4>with it. They certainly made him answer the questions even though.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't really well, they should be grilling Alban easy

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<v Speaker 2>on this too, Matt. Just a quick final response to

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<v Speaker 2>the reports in the Telegraph that Angus Taylor and Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>Hasty are considering moving to the backbench instead of serving

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<v Speaker 2>in Susan Lee's ministry.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 14>It's not so bad back here.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a good time sharre it.

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<v Speaker 14>I think you can still make a massive contribution to

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<v Speaker 14>your country whichever role you play. Look, yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 14>great honor to serve your nation in the nation's parliament.

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<v Speaker 14>Obviously they'll have their own personal and other considerations of aside,

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<v Speaker 14>and there are lots of good people in the labor

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<v Speaker 14>national parties as well, So it should never be about

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<v Speaker 14>one individual. It's about a nation. So that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 14>focused on.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, There you go, Matt Canavan, douz a zemplus.

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<v Speaker 3>Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 18>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's turn now to.

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<v Speaker 2>The police investigation into the firebombing of the Adas Synagogue

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<v Speaker 2>late last year. Police say that the stolen car used

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<v Speaker 2>in that attack was linked to several other crimes, including

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<v Speaker 2>an arson attack at a nightclub also a drive by shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>Here was the AFP's counter Terror, counter Terrorism and Special

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<v Speaker 2>Investigation Assistant Commissioner at a press conference this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 17>We will continue to investigate it as a politically motivated

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<v Speaker 17>attack on the Jewish community. Based on our information, we

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<v Speaker 17>believe some of the individuals involved are extremely violent and co.

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<v Speaker 2>Chief Executive of the Executive Council of Australian Jury, Alex

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<v Speaker 2>Riftrin joins me.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Alex, great to see you again.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's been five months no arrests made for this

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<v Speaker 2>very serious arson attack on a synagogue. What's your reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to the evidence that now suggests this fire bombing is

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<v Speaker 2>linked to other serious crimes, including a drive by shooting.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 19>Look, it's reminiscent of what we're seeing up here in Sydney,

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 19>where you know, it's believed that the spate of fire

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 19>bombings that we saw terrorizing the Sydney Jewish community was

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 19>also linked to violent crime, to organized crime. And in

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.800
<v Speaker 19>addition to the conventional anti Semitic elements that we're dealing

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.080
<v Speaker 19>with at the moment with a far Ride and the

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.919
<v Speaker 19>anti Israel movement, the fact that you've got organized crime,

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 19>people who are criminal by nature, who will do anything

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 19>out of self interest and as we've seen there from

0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:53.160
<v Speaker 19>the police speaking about their Dust Israel firebombing. They believe

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 19>that the same people that carried out that attack were

0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 19>involved in other violent crimes, including shootings. They have access

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 19>to weapons potentially explodes. So it just makes it all

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.320
<v Speaker 19>the more imperative that we bring these people to justice

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 19>as quickly as possible, unravel these conspiracies, identify every individual

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 19>that's involved, and bring some peace and come back to

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 19>our community into wider society, because the longer these people

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 19>who are large, the greater the anxiety will remain.

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 3>Exactly and not just the anxiety, but the very real

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 3>danger as well.

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Alex, you featured in a four Corners report where the

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.879
<v Speaker 2>alleged mastermind of the Sydney attacks gave an interview to

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:30.439
<v Speaker 2>the ABC.

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 3>He insisted he wasn't behind any of the incidents.

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.400
<v Speaker 2>But I'm worried that, as you just said, that none

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 2>of the alleged masterminds have actually been arrested, they're still

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.200
<v Speaker 2>at large, and that the arrests that have been made

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 2>are of the hired crooks, not those who are actually

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 2>ordering or believed to be ordering, the spate of attacks

0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing. I mean, given your home, your former home

0:28:55.280 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 2>was targeted. This must worry you as well.

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.280
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, look, it's deeply concerned and Charry, you know, knowing

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 19>that you've had this network of individuals, you know, of

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 19>different rank and seniority in the criminal underground, and this

0:29:09.840 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 19>alleged kingpin that remains outside the reach of the AFP,

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 19>you know, it's deeply troubling. And when you're dealing with

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 19>people who for meager sums of money would set fire

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 19>to cars and set our streets a light and potentially

0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 19>risk burning people in their homes, it's extremely troubling. It's

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 19>gravely serious. So we need these people who brought to justice.

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 19>I've spoken to the police multiple times. I know they're

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 19>doing everything they can to achieve justice to bring these

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 19>people to a trial. Many rest have been made, but

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 19>this is a complex case. It appears a complex conspiracy

0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.760
<v Speaker 19>with many people involved with very confusing motives. You know

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:51.400
<v Speaker 19>the story that's been put to the public about you know,

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 19>these are being orchestrated by one individual to assist in

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 19>returning home and you know in his plea bargain, these

0:29:58.240 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 19>things don't really stuck up. So we need to have

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 19>all the artspoorts a live we need to have people

0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 19>broadly for the courts, and we need to get closure

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 19>and we need justice.

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, Alex just finally, while we have seen wonderful leadership

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 2>from labor leaders like Chris Mins on anti Semitism, we

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>haven't seen it from the Albanese government. And they've now

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 2>been re elected with such a sweeping majority. It's likely

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 2>they'll be in power for another six years. And it's

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.120
<v Speaker 2>likely as well that Penny one will move to recognize

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>a Palestinian state this term, potentially even this year, potentially

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 2>even while Hamas is still in power. So you know,

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 2>as a leader, what's your message to Australians who care

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 2>about this issue and who are upset that this is

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>the leadership we're now.

0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:44.719
<v Speaker 3>Left with for the foreseeable future.

0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 19>Well, my message would be, don't be passive, don't become

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:53.240
<v Speaker 19>passengers if you're concerned about these issues, if you're concerned

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 19>about what may happen with recognition of a Palestinian state,

0:30:56.680 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 19>the signal that would send to anti seractivists in this country,

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 19>they would reward their extremism and reward hum us. Get involved.

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 19>If you're a progressive Australian and vote labor, join the

0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 19>Labor Party and contribute to its policies. If you're a conservative,

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 19>get involved in the Liberal Party. You know that we

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 19>hear about the quiet Australians being with the Jewish community

0:31:16.680 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 19>and imhooring terrorism. But the quiet Australians are the ignored Australians.

0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 19>So organize, become involved if you remember the Jewish community,

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:28.240
<v Speaker 19>support commune organizations and add to our ability and our

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 19>capacity to advocate for you. But the other message I

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 19>would say is don't despair. You know, there are some

0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 19>policies that obviously are contrary to the interests and beliefs

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 19>of the Jewish community. We will fight them. But look

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 19>at what we've survived and endured in the past eighteen months,

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:46.600
<v Speaker 19>with the docsing and the vilification and the gas lighting

0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 19>and the encampments and the fire bombings, and we're still here.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 19>We're still strong, we're still proud to be Australians and

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 19>proud to be Jews. And look at our brothers and

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 19>sisters in Israel have endured for the past eighteen months

0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 19>and how they've come through it and how they've decimated

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 19>their own And if they can do that, then whatever

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 19>political challenges I had for us, we can overcome that as.

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 3>Well an inspiring message.

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 9>Thank you so much, Alex, Thank you sir.

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Now still to come Keir Starmer's surprising crackdown on immigration,

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and now how Albinizi has been urged to do the same.

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Plus Labor presses ahead with its shocking tax on unrealized

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>capital gains. Economist Warren Hogan would join.

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Me after this quick break.

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, the Albanezi government has no intention of dropping its

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 2>controversial and truly absurd laws to tax unrealized capital gains,

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.360
<v Speaker 2>with the Treasurer pressing ahead with the plan.

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 7>We've made it clear that these changes are relatively modest,

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:46.960
<v Speaker 7>but they're important in the context of the budget, and

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 7>define benefit schemes have been appropriately recognized as part of

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 7>our effort.

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>This is money people haven't even technically received. It's on paper.

0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 2>National Senate leader Bridge Kenzie slammed the laws on Chris

0:33:02.080 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Kenny's program today.

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 18>I love that defined benefit schemes of public servants are

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 18>protected under Labor, But the family farm looks like you're

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 18>going to be paying tax on unrealized gains on intergenerational assets,

0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 18>and it's going to have a huge issue for self

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:20.800
<v Speaker 18>managed super funds as well.

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 13>So we have grave.

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:26.560
<v Speaker 2>Concerns and let's bring in now Judo Banks Chief Economist,

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Warren Hogan. Warren, thanks for your time. Look, this is

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>a truly appalling tax, and the argument seems to be

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>from the treasurer that the budget needs this new tax

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>because of all their spending.

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, good evening, Sherry.

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly it.

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's the bottom line is that this is

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 5>a government that is seeking new ways to raise revenue, partly,

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 5>as you said, because they're spending and the spending growth

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 5>has been pretty persistent since they came to office three

0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 5>years ago, but also because we're putting more and more

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 5>pressure on working people through our income taxes, which that

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 5>income tax burdens now to record high. So you know,

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:08.879
<v Speaker 5>they're looking for whatever they can. And of course, when

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 5>you start cherry picking tax taxes without a broad review

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.839
<v Speaker 5>of the whole system, there's a lot of unintended consequences,

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 5>and often the actual tax itself can be very messy,

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 5>which this one's proving to be.

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>But what about the principle though, of taxing money people

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 2>haven't even received, they may never receive, because you know,

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>it can go up and down. Doesn't that strike you

0:34:34.360 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 2>as almost unethical.

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 5>Look, I think the principle maybe not. But the practice is,

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 5>as you allude to, is it's about what economists or

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 5>financial people would call liquidity. That is that you've got

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 5>this asset that's gone up in value, but you don't

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 5>want to have to sell that asset in order to

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 5>pay the tax on it. So where do you get

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 5>money liquidity from. You have to sell something else or

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:00.759
<v Speaker 5>have money in the bank, pay the tax, and of

0:35:00.800 --> 0:35:02.960
<v Speaker 5>course if the asset goes down in value again you

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:06.320
<v Speaker 5>get a tax credit. So the principle's okay, but in

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 5>practice it doesn't work very well, particularly for those sorts

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:12.800
<v Speaker 5>of assets that we're hearing about, like farms and houses

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.720
<v Speaker 5>and so forth, and for people who otherwise have pretty

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 5>modest means. I mean, three million dollars of life savings,

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 5>particularly given the inflation of the last five years isn't

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 5>what it used to be. So we're talking about people

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:25.879
<v Speaker 5>that don't have a lot of spare cash flow.

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>And I kind of mentioned this before, but the Greens,

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>in order to pass the legislation with labor, they look

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.359
<v Speaker 2>like they're going to argue to lower it to two

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 2>million dollars. So again, because there's no way the coalition

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>would support these laws. So this is the sort of

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 2>really bad policy situation you can end up getting in

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:49.319
<v Speaker 2>because two million dollars, I mean, if it's a property, well,

0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't that captures you know, a lot of people's

0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 2>investment properties, doesn't it.

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 5>Oh that's right, And it's of course you know where

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 5>do you stop? And is the three million dollars in arbitrary?

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 5>And of course we know it's not indexed. That is, effectively,

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.719
<v Speaker 5>with inflation, it's going to become less and less of

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.399
<v Speaker 5>a number. And the stories about young people today will

0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 5>all be caught up with it when they retire. And

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.080
<v Speaker 5>I think what really is the concern out in the

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 5>broader community is that once this is in place, do

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 5>they go beyond the super sort of nest egg. Do

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 5>they start looking at this as a general way of

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 5>taxing people all through their stages of life and homes

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 5>and all this sort of stuff. And of course they're

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:30.399
<v Speaker 5>not going to say they are, but that's the sort

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 5>of logical implication that some people are drawing, and of

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.439
<v Speaker 5>course that in principle I think is wrong.

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, look the ABS confirmed yesterday that wages rose by

0:36:40.600 --> 0:36:43.720
<v Speaker 2>zero point nine percent in the March quater up around

0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:46.920
<v Speaker 2>three point four percent over the year. We're hearing though

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 2>that most of it is going to the public sector

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:54.120
<v Speaker 2>because of the alban Easy Childcare and aged care subsidies. Warren,

0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 2>isn't it the case that most Australians wouldn't be feeling

0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 2>this wage growth because sliding increases would be erated by

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>bracket creep. And then there's also the fact that purchasing

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 2>power is lower because of inflation.

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's exactly it. First of all, the fact that

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:12.320
<v Speaker 5>we have to spend more money on our goods and

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:15.399
<v Speaker 5>services and our groceries and everything, and then of course

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 5>you will have the effective bracket creep. So I think

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 5>that's the right assessment. We're not really seeing any advancement

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 5>in the living standards of Australians. Maybe they're not going

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:25.360
<v Speaker 5>down at the rate that they have been for the

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 5>last three years. And of course, for businesses, wages are

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:31.840
<v Speaker 5>just part of the equation. There's also the effect of

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:35.960
<v Speaker 5>productivity and we are in a declining productivity environment, and

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 5>of course that means business costs are not going up

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 5>by three percent like the wages suggest, they're going up

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 5>by more like five percent. And of course that means

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 5>this inflation is still sitting in the economy. So this

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.360
<v Speaker 5>is not painting a great picture for the economy, and

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 5>of course it isn't advancing our living standards as some portray.

0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.240
<v Speaker 3>All right, Warren Hogan, appreciate your insights as always.

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 7>Thanks you.

0:37:57.880 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>That's still to come. Alb and Easy is under pressure.

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Put the break on Australia's immigration crisis. I mean, if

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Kirstarma can do it, then why can't he? Plus the

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 2>harrowing story of three year old Abigail. She was kidnapped

0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:15.000
<v Speaker 2>by her muss on October seven after watching her parents murdered.

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.879
<v Speaker 2>Abigail's great aunt will join me live in studio. That's

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>after this quick break, welcome back.

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 18>Well.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Three little children aged three, six and nine watched when

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>their mum and dad were both murdered by her muss

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 2>on October seven. Six year old Amalia and nine year

0:38:36.640 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 2>old Michael ran and hid in a cupboard, where they

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 2>stayed and hid for.

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Fourteen long hours.

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 2>They were all alone, and to make it worse, the

0:38:46.680 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>body of their mother was next to them outside the cupboard,

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:56.320
<v Speaker 2>but little Abigail, a toddler three years old, was missing.

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 10>That's Golmitzalem Mirim Telephone and Maca Michael An Benatesha Mirimta Telephone,

0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 10>Miloda with the Imma Metta, ab A, Maria, Mulia, lad

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 10>Efo Vigail and Mililbo Bait the kitsu Sha.

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.839
<v Speaker 2>A neighbor saw Abigail being captured and described her as

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:30.120
<v Speaker 2>covered with blood that wasn't hers again. Just three years old,

0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>She then spent fifty one traumatic days in hermask captivity.

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:39.440
<v Speaker 2>She turned four as a hostage held by terrorists without

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 2>any family around her at all, and when she was

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>finally released on November twenty sixth, little Abigail returned to

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Israel and orphan. It's one of the saddest stories and

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 2>it's told in the book Saving Abigail, written by her

0:39:56.560 --> 0:40:00.880
<v Speaker 2>aunt Liz Hirshneftali, who also then made it her mission

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>to bring her great niece home and pleased to say,

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Liz joins me here now, Liz, thank you, and welcome

0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 2>to Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. How is Abigail and Amalia and Michael coping? Now?

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 3>How do they live with this day today?

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 9>Look?

0:40:17.400 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 15>Every day they are, these beautiful children and they live

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 15>with their aunt and uncle who've adopted them. So they

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 15>now have six kids and they give them a beautiful life.

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 15>I mean, these my niece and her husband are my heroes.

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 15>They have taken this tragedy and done everything to make

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 15>something beautiful for six children. And at the same time,

0:40:38.000 --> 0:40:40.879
<v Speaker 15>on that Kidboetz that morning, the other three children also

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 15>were survivors.

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:43.959
<v Speaker 9>They had Hamas terras in their home.

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 15>They did not find them in their safe room, but

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 15>they also were there for twenty nine hours.

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.319
<v Speaker 9>So we have six kids that are all survivors, and.

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.960
<v Speaker 15>My niece and her husband are raising them and they

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 15>have look, they have a beautiful life, but they have

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:00.920
<v Speaker 15>what you explained, which was that trauma and that tragedy

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 15>of what these three children experienced.

0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:08.759
<v Speaker 2>So and what did Abigail go through during her time

0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:11.839
<v Speaker 2>in captivity when she had no family at all around him?

0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:15.279
<v Speaker 2>And I can't imagine a little three year old hold

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.080
<v Speaker 2>on but held byamas.

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 15>She was held by hamas, but the woman who she

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 15>after her father was murdered and she crawled out from

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 15>his body covered in his blood. She went to a

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 15>neighbor and miraculously he was opening the door to go

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 15>out and protect the kibbutz, and there was little Abigail,

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:32.760
<v Speaker 15>and he put her with his wife and three kids,

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 15>and they knew each other. Abigail knew this family, and

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.320
<v Speaker 15>when they were taken off by Hamas terrorists, Abigail was

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.280
<v Speaker 15>with her. And I prayed that during the whole fifty

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 15>one days that she was with this woman, Huggar Broditche,

0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 15>and she was and Hugar took care of her like

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 15>one of her own children. But keep in mind they

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:54.279
<v Speaker 15>were in a dark room, they were starved, they had

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 15>no hygiene, They had to beg for a piece of

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.520
<v Speaker 15>toilet paper, and they had nothing for the kids to do.

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 9>We know what our kids do. They play, they have screens,

0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 9>they laugh, they sing. They were silenced for fifty one days.

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Does Abigail talk about it now? I mean, how does

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 3>she process that level of trauma.

0:42:13.040 --> 0:42:15.759
<v Speaker 15>Look, it's something that will be with her and her siblings,

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 15>they'll all carry this for the rest of their lives.

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 15>But they're little kids, and you let it come out.

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 15>And everybody in Israel, all of the children, all of

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:30.320
<v Speaker 15>the adults, they have therapists, they're they're all traumatized. But

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 15>in our case, Abigail goes to school, she gets to

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 15>play with kids.

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:37.720
<v Speaker 9>She is full of energy.

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 15>She dances, she sings, she's full of life. And if

0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.120
<v Speaker 15>you saw her, you'd say, she's just this beautiful child.

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 15>But if there's a loud noise, she reacts because for yeah,

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 15>for fifty one days she was being the area she

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 15>was being in was bombed by the Israeli Defense Force

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.319
<v Speaker 15>and that was her experience. But if you I saw her,

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:04.400
<v Speaker 15>you would think this child is intelligent, she's dynamic. And

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 15>you see Michael and Amalia and they laugh and they

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 15>play and they have a beautiful life. But as adults

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:11.879
<v Speaker 15>we see their parents aren't there.

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell us a little bit about your battle

0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.120
<v Speaker 2>to bring her home and what did you do, because

0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 2>you really took on a very active role in.

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:24.680
<v Speaker 15>This look when Abigail, when we learned that she had survived,

0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:26.720
<v Speaker 15>it was something of hope.

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 9>And I went back to America.

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 15>I'm from New York and I went back to America

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 15>and I went to Capitol Hill and I was there

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 15>with the family of Keith Siegel, his sister in the beginning,

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 15>and there were no other people there because they were

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 15>still in trauma. But I as an American, I was

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 15>in Israel in October seventh and then I returned home,

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:50.319
<v Speaker 15>and I basically went to DC with this other woman,

0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 15>Keith's sister, and I took a picture of Abigail, and

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 15>I mean two hundred and fifty copies, and I gave

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 15>them out everywhere. And then I made a picture with

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 15>all the hostages and I gave them out. And what

0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 15>I just kept doing was telling people leaders on both sides,

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 15>that these were people that were stolen infants, grandparents, and

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 15>that was the beginning of understanding.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 9>You just had to keep talking everywhere.

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 15>Spent a lot of time with the White House, spent

0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:16.799
<v Speaker 15>a lot of time with other families at the White

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 15>House and on Capitol Hill, traveling to Doha, traveling to Israel,

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:24.360
<v Speaker 15>traveling all around the United States to keep telling the

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 15>stories and put pressure on the people who can make

0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:28.760
<v Speaker 15>the difference and bring home the hostages.

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 2>There are still fifty hostages, about twenty I believed to

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.800
<v Speaker 2>be alive. Trump just secured the relays of the last

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 2>American hostage. There is criticism that he just secured the

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 2>release of one and celebrated that and not the other twenty.

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:45.560
<v Speaker 3>How do you feel about that?

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 9>Look, I'll go back to President Biden.

0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 15>He got out Abigail and one hundred and five women

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.879
<v Speaker 15>and children in his administration, but for over a year

0:44:54.960 --> 0:44:57.359
<v Speaker 15>he could not get the rest out. Then the Trump

0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:00.040
<v Speaker 15>administration came in and they were able to secure the

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 15>release of thirty three people, and then it stopped. And

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 15>now you have Eadon Alexander, this beautiful twenty one year

0:45:07.080 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 15>old kid grew up in America and he was released.

0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:14.720
<v Speaker 15>But what Witcoff, Steve Whitcoff and Adam Bowler and Trump

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:16.920
<v Speaker 15>have always said is that they are going to keep

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.520
<v Speaker 15>fighting and that when you see one person free, you

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 15>have to say it's a blessing, but you then keep

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 15>working and they are committed to it. And I'm very

0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 15>proud that my American government, Democrats, Republicans have kept this together,

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 15>supporting the hostages, supporting Israel, and that President Trump and

0:45:34.719 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 15>his team are out there and they're in the Middle

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 15>East and they're getting people to talk, and we have to.

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 9>Give them the hope and the support. And Dan is

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:42.959
<v Speaker 9>the first they've said in this round.

0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 15>They know they have to get everybody and they are

0:45:45.200 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 15>committed to getting the fifty eight people home.

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 2>Litz really appreciate you being here and your book. I

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:52.520
<v Speaker 2>know we shared it on screen before but your book

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Saving Abigail.

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 3>There it is again. Yeah, I can order it online

0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 3>on Amazon. Thank thank you so much.

0:45:58.560 --> 0:45:59.600
<v Speaker 9>I appreciate you. Thank you.

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Now still to calm Keir Starmer's immigration crackdown, the pressure

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>is on al but easy now.

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 3>To follow suit right after the break.

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has managed to surprise

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 2>us with his strong crackdown on immigration.

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 20>So when you have an immigration system that seems almost

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 20>designed to permit abuse, you're actually contributing to the forces

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:32.239
<v Speaker 20>that are slowly pulling our country apart. So yes, I

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 20>believe in this. I believe we need to reduce immigration significantly.

0:46:39.880 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 2>We're joining me now, he's spiked online editor Tom Slater. Tom,

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:47.440
<v Speaker 2>what motivated Kir Starmer to do this and how's it

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 2>being received?

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 21>Well, he's basically running scared of Nigel Farrage and Reform UK,

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:55.320
<v Speaker 21>who just had a historic set of local election results.

0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:57.560
<v Speaker 21>He was at great pains in that speech to say

0:46:57.680 --> 0:47:01.239
<v Speaker 21>I'm not doing this because of politics, political maneuvering. I'm

0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:03.520
<v Speaker 21>not doing this because of any particular party. Didn't name

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 21>the party. I actually believe in this, but I think

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:08.479
<v Speaker 21>if you have to say the words I actually believe

0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 21>in this, then maybe people could ask questions about whether

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.040
<v Speaker 21>you do the policy itself.

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 8>As you say.

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:16.560
<v Speaker 21>I think people broadly speaking have welcomed it. There are

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:17.880
<v Speaker 21>a lot of questions now, but whether or not it

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 21>will actually bring down migration significantly. I think even a

0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 21>fair estimate would suggest we're still going to be in

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.000
<v Speaker 21>for much higher migration than we had before Brexit, let

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:28.839
<v Speaker 21>alone when Label was last in power. But kirstarm has

0:47:28.880 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 21>a fundamental credibility issue here as well. When he ran

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 21>for the Labor Leader.

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>He said we need to make the case for free movement.

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.680
<v Speaker 21>He was signing letters not that long ago opposing the

0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:39.440
<v Speaker 21>deportation even the foreign criminals. So for him to now

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 21>turn around and say I get it, it's going to

0:47:41.560 --> 0:47:43.040
<v Speaker 21>take a lot for people to believe him. I think

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 21>there's not many prizes for being the slowest kid in

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 21>the class in this issue, I think.

0:47:47.040 --> 0:47:50.839
<v Speaker 2>And one of the reasons this has been so well

0:47:50.920 --> 0:47:54.120
<v Speaker 2>received is because of the issues with social cohesion that

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:55.799
<v Speaker 2>have arisen in the UK.

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.399
<v Speaker 3>Can you tell us about just how bad it's been.

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 21>No, absolutely, I mean that particular line in his speech

0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 21>which has really done the rounds. We risk becoming an

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 21>Island of strangers. It led to a lot of pearl

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 21>clutching in the media, but you poll people, more than

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 21>sixty percent of people agree with that topic because of

0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:15.560
<v Speaker 21>the fact that in some many measures, Britain has been

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.800
<v Speaker 21>a success story in terms of welcoming people from around

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 21>the world. But there are clear problems with integration. There

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:24.440
<v Speaker 21>are clear problems with parallel lives. There are clear problems

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.680
<v Speaker 21>with people enclaves forming in which not as much English

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:30.840
<v Speaker 21>is being spoken, and within that you don't get the

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.239
<v Speaker 21>supposed kind of melting pot that people claim they want to.

0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>You end up with a.

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.080
<v Speaker 21>Society that is essentially a series of silos. That's something

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:39.240
<v Speaker 21>that people have really recognized it needs to be tackled.

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.960
<v Speaker 21>But again, is this government, who have only really taken

0:48:42.239 --> 0:48:44.480
<v Speaker 21>interest in this issue five minutes ago, really going to

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:45.759
<v Speaker 21>be the ones to tackle it.

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I spoke of the show last night about how CNN

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:52.239
<v Speaker 2>anchor Jake Tapper revealed in his book that Biden's mental

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.800
<v Speaker 2>decline was so bad that he didn't even recognize Jeorge Clooney.

0:48:56.320 --> 0:48:59.640
<v Speaker 3>But here's what Tappa was saying on air at the time.

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 22>I think that you were marking his stuttery. Yeah, I

0:49:03.920 --> 0:49:05.320
<v Speaker 22>think you were marking his stutter, and I think you

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 22>have absolutely no standing to diagnose somebody's cognitive decline. I

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 22>would think that somebody in the Prump family would be

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 22>more sensitive to people who do not have medical licenses

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.719
<v Speaker 22>diagnosing politicians from afar. Plenty of people have diagnosed your

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:22.640
<v Speaker 22>father from afar.

0:49:24.000 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Tom, do you give Jake the benefit of the doubt

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:29.320
<v Speaker 2>that he simply didn't know at the time, or was

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>there this left wing media cover up to protect Joe Biden.

0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, the brass neck of it is incredible.

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:38.600
<v Speaker 21>It's not just that clip that there's many more of

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 21>him having a go at people for talking about the

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.400
<v Speaker 21>evidence of their own eyes. It was because they were

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.360
<v Speaker 21>trying to defend their candidate from Trump getting back in.

0:49:47.480 --> 0:49:48.280
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was about.

0:49:48.560 --> 0:49:50.880
<v Speaker 21>But to turn around now and act like the kind

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 21>of propagandist in nineteen eighty four that we were always

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:55.239
<v Speaker 21>at war with the stage, we always knew that he

0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.880
<v Speaker 21>was in cognitive decline. It's an insult to the American public, I.

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 3>Think to right.

0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Tom Slater really appreciate you joining us this evening, of

0:50:04.320 --> 0:50:07.040
<v Speaker 2>course morning in London, and thanks so much for your

0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:09.879
<v Speaker 2>company this week. I'm going to be off next week.

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 2>It's been a busy few weeks with the election coverage.

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't take any time off with my kids during

0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the school holiday, so I'll be off next week, but

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:19.879
<v Speaker 2>back the week after. I'll see you then.

0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 3>And right now. Here is Dnika de Giorgio filling in

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 3>for Paul Murray.