WEBVTT - Helicopter Prison Break | John Killick 0:00:05.881 --> 0:00:07.281 A project production. 0:00:10.801 --> 0:00:13.361 Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the 0:00:13.401 --> 0:00:17.321 Muscle comments and in this episode I speak with John Killick, 0:00:17.521 --> 0:00:19.281 former bank robber and escapee. 0:00:19.721 --> 0:00:21.921 I know I've trauma joined at some point a lot 0:00:21.961 --> 0:00:26.881 of recovering. Twenty fifty months. She posed in a jobber. 0:00:27.681 --> 0:00:31.721 So in those days, jar was tough. Acoustics are great now. 0:00:31.761 --> 0:00:35.561 So as I started singing, girls got say I'd call 0:00:35.641 --> 0:00:37.560 him and I said, listen, I something we can't take. 0:00:38.601 --> 0:00:41.201 You know, we had a wrong guide to follow it. 0:00:42.001 --> 0:00:44.760 And the message is here that you can't change. You 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:45.560 can't change. 0:00:48.681 --> 0:00:50.201 Before we get into the nitty grie, I want to 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.320 say thanks for John for coming on. 0:00:52.281 --> 0:00:53.400 I really appreciate this. 0:00:55.481 --> 0:00:58.721 But let's before we get into everything that is exciting 0:00:58.801 --> 0:01:01.001 in your life, Let's talk about you growing up first 0:01:01.041 --> 0:01:03.681 and what led you down the path of what you 0:01:03.721 --> 0:01:04.361 did here. 0:01:04.361 --> 0:01:09.440 Look, I'm not a great subscriber to an environment. It's 0:01:09.521 --> 0:01:13.360 responsible for people finished in jail. I think I can 0:01:13.481 --> 0:01:15.961 contribute to it. But I think I know a lot 0:01:15.961 --> 0:01:18.080 of people have had tough lives of mood that they 0:01:18.081 --> 0:01:20.361 have gone on and gone to night school, they've gone 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:25.121 to unions, and they haven't they haven't finished in jail 0:01:25.401 --> 0:01:29.161 or anything like that, but I will say this that 0:01:29.601 --> 0:01:31.961 I think the thing that lacked in my life, and 0:01:32.041 --> 0:01:34.001 I think it's like in the lives of a lot 0:01:34.041 --> 0:01:36.401 of young people, particularly ones are get in trouble, is 0:01:36.441 --> 0:01:38.440 a mentor. I really think that if you've got a 0:01:38.441 --> 0:01:40.761 mentor when you're younger, and this is what we should 0:01:40.761 --> 0:01:45.401 be looking at more and trying to rehabilitate kids. We 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.841 haven't got the answers to it, particularly now with drugs net. 0:01:48.881 --> 0:01:52.081 But I didn't have a mentor. I was adopted. I 0:01:52.201 --> 0:01:53.921 was born in the middle of a Second World War. 0:01:55.081 --> 0:02:00.240 It was a dysfunctional family. Father he was a pretty 0:02:00.241 --> 0:02:04.001 good fighter. He's bout my main champion, well away champion 0:02:04.041 --> 0:02:06.801 in nineteen thirty two travies. That doesn't seem much been 0:02:06.801 --> 0:02:09.481 in Bealman was a tough steary in Sydney. To somebody 0:02:09.521 --> 0:02:11.521 said to me, I've spoke the old box. He said, 0:02:11.601 --> 0:02:13.481 if he was cheating at Balmona in nine and thirty two. 0:02:13.561 --> 0:02:16.281 He's pretty tough. And he used to when he got 0:02:16.361 --> 0:02:19.241 drunk kids throw his weight around, pick on people, pick fights. 0:02:20.081 --> 0:02:25.280 He had us terrorized. I remember sometimes my brother, me 0:02:25.441 --> 0:02:29.240 and my mother were hiding under the house at house 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.161 at two am in the morning, we're walking the street. 0:02:31.161 --> 0:02:33.441 It's too scared to go in. My mother even gave 0:02:33.481 --> 0:02:35.601 me sleep and tallers to slip into his beer. And 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.881 you know, if you had caught me doing that, well, 0:02:38.121 --> 0:02:42.960 and so I was taking ris sleeping, then when do 0:02:43.001 --> 0:02:45.001 you think of it? I mean, imagine what he had 0:02:45.041 --> 0:02:46.960 have done if you had caught me. But he had 0:02:47.001 --> 0:02:50.041 my mother a nervous wreck, you know, just beused her 0:02:50.081 --> 0:02:54.441 all the time, terrible names, and sometimes the neighbors run. 0:02:54.281 --> 0:02:56.160 Out mentally, not physically, yeah. 0:02:56.001 --> 0:02:59.201 More mentally. Yeah, she wouldn't sleep with me. That had 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:01.800 a lot to do it. But in those days there 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.800 was nowhere for women to go turn to. She had 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:09.120 to put up. But you know, I'd get embarrassed, particularly 0:03:09.161 --> 0:03:11.561 when I started took up tennis. I was pretty good 0:03:11.561 --> 0:03:13.801 at tennis as when in trophies doing for it, and 0:03:14.401 --> 0:03:18.201 makes had come there and they'd see that four beds 0:03:18.361 --> 0:03:22.961 was slept in. So John and you shouldn't be embarrassed 0:03:23.001 --> 0:03:25.161 aout that ship, but I was, you know, and say, yeah, 0:03:25.201 --> 0:03:29.720 we had somebody lie about it. Anyway, my mother took 0:03:29.881 --> 0:03:33.840 her own life when I was seven. I blamed Dad 0:03:33.841 --> 0:03:37.361 for it, but it was partly the responsibility the banks 0:03:37.721 --> 0:03:40.361 and what happened the bank four clothes. We had a 0:03:40.361 --> 0:03:43.361 pretty good house on that. He tried to borrow more 0:03:43.401 --> 0:03:46.241 money he would have went okay to get and what happened. 0:03:46.601 --> 0:03:48.921 They forced him to do it through their own little 0:03:48.921 --> 0:03:51.401 firm called Custom Credit, which was a credit company and 0:03:51.681 --> 0:03:54.001 charged about three times the interest with the banks did, 0:03:54.521 --> 0:03:57.081 and that that forced to lose at home. We finished 0:03:57.081 --> 0:04:01.641 with the crappiest house in fair for Mom was embarrassed, 0:04:01.841 --> 0:04:04.521 shamed on it and anyways took her own life. And 0:04:04.561 --> 0:04:07.161 I blamed the banks too. I was really doing it 0:04:07.281 --> 0:04:10.681 on banks about what happened then the first night, I 0:04:10.761 --> 0:04:12.961 just said I'm leaving. When she died that same day, 0:04:14.041 --> 0:04:16.241 he couldn't believe I was leaving, my father and I 0:04:16.241 --> 0:04:18.521 said she will fall. What happened? I told him she 0:04:18.841 --> 0:04:20.761 over those slip tells and. 0:04:22.161 --> 0:04:23.441 You found out that was it you? 0:04:23.601 --> 0:04:27.521 Or was it? Hell? No? What happened now? It was 0:04:27.521 --> 0:04:32.401 a Sunday night, June fifty nine, and woke up with 0:04:32.521 --> 0:04:36.721 a bump and I heard it, and then I heard 0:04:36.761 --> 0:04:40.281 my father because I slept in seven rooms going and 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.601 then he's called out to me and I ran out 0:04:42.601 --> 0:04:45.241 and Mum was on the floor and she'd fallen off 0:04:45.281 --> 0:04:48.121 the bed, and he said, quick, go and get a doctor. 0:04:48.281 --> 0:04:51.761 Your mother's very sick. So I jumped on my pushbike 0:04:52.201 --> 0:04:56.401 and grabbed in those days used to put two penny 0:04:56.401 --> 0:05:00.881 pieces in her bloody phone. It's going way back those phones, 0:05:00.921 --> 0:05:03.361 and jumped on the bike and went down in and 0:05:03.361 --> 0:05:07.081 you wouldn't believe it. The phone have been vandalized. So 0:05:07.361 --> 0:05:09.001 we didn't have a phone. We didn't have a car. 0:05:09.241 --> 0:05:11.721 So this is why I grew up workship at the 0:05:11.761 --> 0:05:14.161 shol I think, and if we'd have been rich and 0:05:14.241 --> 0:05:16.801 had these things would have said a life. So I 0:05:16.801 --> 0:05:18.761 had to go to the next phone about half a 0:05:18.801 --> 0:05:21.241 mile the way. I rang our doctor I the dockdown 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.241 and he wouldn't come to phone. The wife come to 0:05:23.241 --> 0:05:25.161 the phone by bye hours, half two in the morning 0:05:25.201 --> 0:05:28.601 and and she said he's asleep, he's not coming, and 0:05:28.641 --> 0:05:30.641 I said, look, she's really sick, and she just hung up. 0:05:30.721 --> 0:05:32.081 And I knew it was because we owed the money. 0:05:32.201 --> 0:05:35.081 We owed the doctor money because my mom was always 0:05:35.241 --> 0:05:36.760 and he's the one who gave us a sleep and 0:05:36.801 --> 0:05:40.041 tell us. So I was dirty about that. So what 0:05:40.201 --> 0:05:42.761 I got to know what I did. I didn't have 0:05:42.761 --> 0:05:47.161 any coins left. I rang again through through the information 0:05:47.281 --> 0:05:49.600 sort of thing or whatever. It wasn't those days through line, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:51.641 Oh yes, Rember, I think it was that one I 0:05:51.761 --> 0:05:54.801 won through or something, and they helped. They put me 0:05:54.841 --> 0:05:58.241 through it to a docktown. It took a couple of minutes. 0:05:58.481 --> 0:06:02.080 He came straight away, but then he called an ambulance. 0:06:02.401 --> 0:06:04.841 All by the time ambulance got there, she was nearly dead. 0:06:04.841 --> 0:06:07.001 That they got to the hospital on it, they couldn't 0:06:07.041 --> 0:06:10.320 save her. And I always felt, you know, if we'd 0:06:10.361 --> 0:06:12.760 have been on them get us straight away to hospital. 0:06:12.801 --> 0:06:16.121 We didn't have a car, yeah, and you know the 0:06:16.201 --> 0:06:18.601 stuff around with the phones and all that. We didn't 0:06:18.601 --> 0:06:21.881 even have a phone, so that the banks and yeah, yeah, 0:06:21.921 --> 0:06:23.761 I just had a chip on my should. And then 0:06:24.921 --> 0:06:27.361 so I left, didn't have a lot of money, booked 0:06:27.361 --> 0:06:30.681 into a bird into a rooming house and didn't have 0:06:30.681 --> 0:06:32.281 a lot of money. So I shared it with a guy. 0:06:32.281 --> 0:06:34.160 And it's a big guy, a wrestlant, a big, strong 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.440 mustley guy. And next thing he's trying to rape me. 0:06:38.521 --> 0:06:40.641 And I didn't knowing about it about that I was 0:06:40.681 --> 0:06:43.601 a book. He's sort of kidn never done any and 0:06:43.641 --> 0:06:46.921 so buddy, it was pretty fit. You know. I just 0:06:46.961 --> 0:06:49.801 played tennis, running and ride bike, so it was pretty fit. 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.121 But he was a lot more powerful me. But anyway, 0:06:53.161 --> 0:06:56.041 he got the message and dropped off, and I was 0:06:56.041 --> 0:06:59.841 pretty outraged and said I'm getting out of it. I'm 0:06:59.841 --> 0:07:02.520 going to another room. And he apologized, and I thought 0:07:02.521 --> 0:07:05.881 he was okay. He apologized, said it never happened again. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.481 He get suited. I was struggling mentally, and so what 0:07:09.601 --> 0:07:12.681 he did he sort of came along with me. A 0:07:12.681 --> 0:07:15.841 few nights, played played tennis. I stayed there in a 0:07:15.841 --> 0:07:17.481 different room. I did go in a different room. But 0:07:17.601 --> 0:07:20.241 he was a crook and he told me he had 0:07:20.681 --> 0:07:23.681 five different bank books, all the different names. And even 0:07:23.681 --> 0:07:27.161 in those days, people were ripping of security. He was. 0:07:27.401 --> 0:07:31.201 He was ripping off security, getting dull, and he shamed me. 0:07:31.201 --> 0:07:33.361 He's based about it. He was going to the Wrestaurant 0:07:33.481 --> 0:07:36.081 Championships and Queens and I said, look, can you sign 0:07:36.081 --> 0:07:37.761 a thing for me? And I want to buy a 0:07:37.761 --> 0:07:41.081 new tennis rack. And I was split and I got 0:07:41.121 --> 0:07:43.041 to get on terms. He said yeah. Then he just 0:07:43.281 --> 0:07:46.121 gave me his signature, and when he was leaving, I 0:07:46.201 --> 0:07:49.201 saw him. He packed all his bank books and I 0:07:49.201 --> 0:07:51.681 stole him somehow and I got the case. I grabbed 0:07:51.681 --> 0:07:54.720 one of the bank books and he didn't know and 0:07:54.721 --> 0:07:56.361 he said off. I waved him off in the can 0:07:58.761 --> 0:08:05.001 give you a try of fuck man. I went up 0:08:05.121 --> 0:08:09.041 and forwards seniors and practice and practice parent got really 0:08:09.081 --> 0:08:12.401 good at it, but through all the withdrawal forms in 0:08:12.441 --> 0:08:16.521 the wastepaper, and I'd moved on a different spot too, 0:08:16.561 --> 0:08:18.521 and I went and moved from Berwi to Stratfield. 0:08:18.681 --> 0:08:18.881 Yeah. 0:08:19.521 --> 0:08:21.841 I thought I was pretty cunning, you know, and not 0:08:21.921 --> 0:08:25.961 a crim you know. And went into the bank Ford Senior, 0:08:26.561 --> 0:08:30.001 first bank rory and past the bank thing and thinking 0:08:30.041 --> 0:08:33.401 I'm going to get caught. Just simple one give me. 0:08:35.081 --> 0:08:36.641 I think it was might have been fifty pounds a 0:08:36.641 --> 0:08:39.161 fair bit of money is probably about three weeks wages. 0:08:39.481 --> 0:08:40.681 You just you just gave them a note. 0:08:41.241 --> 0:08:43.321 They just gave in a withdrawal form, the band the 0:08:43.321 --> 0:08:45.641 bank book, because I had his bank book. In those days, 0:08:45.641 --> 0:08:47.521 I had these little bank books. I just had the 0:08:47.521 --> 0:08:50.001 amounts of money. Some of us still got it. I 0:08:50.161 --> 0:08:52.601 still got it, the old people and I've still got them. 0:08:52.881 --> 0:08:57.641 But comf and you just what he did was signed 0:08:57.681 --> 0:09:01.561 the withdrawal form. You fifty pounds sign it. They checked 0:09:01.561 --> 0:09:04.721 the senior Swedes plans and I thought it was me 0:09:04.801 --> 0:09:07.161 and gave me the money. I walked out there, but 0:09:07.281 --> 0:09:12.121 when I got home, the cops wereiting, and the landlord 0:09:12.281 --> 0:09:17.201 lady came in and cleaned the room saw withdrawal for us, 0:09:17.881 --> 0:09:20.481 and she realized something was wrong, so they grabbed me 0:09:20.761 --> 0:09:24.321 and took me to I wouldn't tell them where I lived, right, 0:09:24.961 --> 0:09:28.561 and I told him nothing, So they put me in 0:09:28.721 --> 0:09:32.481 Albion Street Boys. I was there at night, but somehow 0:09:32.521 --> 0:09:34.681 they found out who Dad was and got me. He 0:09:34.721 --> 0:09:37.081 came and came and buy me out. So that was 0:09:37.121 --> 0:09:39.681 the first time I went the job, but went home 0:09:39.761 --> 0:09:43.641 for a night with Dad. An left again and they 0:09:43.721 --> 0:09:46.041 was hooked up with some kids a bit older me. 0:09:46.161 --> 0:09:47.881 You know. They taught me to shop lift stuff like that, 0:09:47.961 --> 0:09:51.561 and we were going to have it. We're going in 0:09:51.681 --> 0:09:53.961 some of those big department stores, just grabbing stuff and 0:09:54.041 --> 0:09:56.481 walking out and not even running out, just woken out 0:09:56.841 --> 0:09:59.841 if a story teach had come. One blake was chasing 0:09:59.881 --> 0:10:01.681 me and I thought it was going to be a 0:10:01.721 --> 0:10:05.961 heart attack. I mean, they couldn't catch you. It was 0:10:06.001 --> 0:10:07.801 so easy in those days. I mean now you've got 0:10:07.881 --> 0:10:11.881 cameras everywhere. Ye, But yeah, we got away a lot. 0:10:11.961 --> 0:10:15.201 We'd go into we'd go into cafes and just to 0:10:15.241 --> 0:10:20.201 all the big merles and run out. This big Greek guy. 0:10:20.201 --> 0:10:23.121 I caught my mate once, give him a thump and 0:10:23.721 --> 0:10:25.641 took his jumper off. It was my jumper, you know. 0:10:25.921 --> 0:10:28.001 And I went back later and paid the merl about 0:10:28.001 --> 0:10:30.081 a week later and said, give me the jumper back. Good, 0:10:30.201 --> 0:10:34.001 give me ban He said, your friend, your friend, bad man. 0:10:34.321 --> 0:10:36.201 But I'd run away too, and thought he thought I 0:10:36.241 --> 0:10:39.681 was a good guy because I'd come back. Yeah. Look, 0:10:39.761 --> 0:10:44.601 look it's just what happened. It was in Eviti all 0:10:44.601 --> 0:10:47.201 that time. I was going to we'll get caught. We 0:10:48.161 --> 0:10:50.881 did a break and on a place this city had 0:10:50.921 --> 0:10:54.081 come from Blainey Country. My mate introduced her. Look he's 0:10:54.441 --> 0:10:56.521 he works s fort of pm. That that was like 0:10:56.641 --> 0:10:59.481 straight of person those days. He said. He delivered the 0:10:59.521 --> 0:11:02.441 mile to halfle Molly's place. Now half a Molly was 0:11:02.561 --> 0:11:04.921 champion jog at the time. He rade a horse call 0:11:05.041 --> 0:11:09.601 burmer At won fifteen straight and it just this gout everybody. 0:11:09.601 --> 0:11:12.881 The rumor was at Alfle money backed all these horses, 0:11:13.801 --> 0:11:16.201 and you went. They weren't allowed a bit. So he 0:11:16.281 --> 0:11:18.521 had bags boxes the money under his bed. 0:11:18.601 --> 0:11:19.761 So that was the room. 0:11:20.121 --> 0:11:22.241 A lot of jockeys did do that. Someone the train 0:11:22.321 --> 0:11:26.361 to tell those days, and so we thought, oh geez, 0:11:26.441 --> 0:11:28.801 you know we're going to score here. We got in. Well, 0:11:29.521 --> 0:11:32.601 this idiot give us the wrong house, because we got 0:11:32.641 --> 0:11:37.361 in and there were suits and a jockey could have 0:11:37.361 --> 0:11:38.801 fit in the leg of them. I mean, the guy 0:11:38.881 --> 0:11:42.281 was a big guy, And I said, what the hell 0:11:42.641 --> 0:11:46.081 half of money you kidding? Anyway, we cleaned it out. 0:11:46.601 --> 0:11:50.681 Three idiots filled up the suitcase and walked out all 0:11:50.761 --> 0:11:54.241 his clothes and a bit of jewelry, and and just 0:11:54.281 --> 0:11:58.841 walked along. Berwin caught a train. But the idiot went 0:11:59.041 --> 0:12:01.441 to a hot shop the next day and this firing 0:12:01.481 --> 0:12:03.081 you wouldn't leave it happened. He went to a hog shop, 0:12:03.321 --> 0:12:05.481 tried to honk the stuff, said he'd lost a lot 0:12:05.481 --> 0:12:08.721 of weight and that they were his clothes. Well, you know, 0:12:08.881 --> 0:12:11.601 the pawn brokers like they called the cops, especially in 0:12:11.641 --> 0:12:15.561 those days like that one. So they got him and 0:12:15.641 --> 0:12:18.001 he said we made he's give us something and said 0:12:18.041 --> 0:12:24.241 we made him. Really, So they got us here and 0:12:24.281 --> 0:12:25.921 they just said, look, we're letting him go. He is 0:12:26.001 --> 0:12:30.961 about influence. He's on a country board from Blainey, you know. 0:12:32.121 --> 0:12:34.641 And that was it. So we got frowing and they 0:12:35.041 --> 0:12:37.241 went out the Long Bay. It was pretty tough. I 0:12:37.241 --> 0:12:40.721 mean Long Bay. I was only seven eight and shouldn't 0:12:40.721 --> 0:12:42.841 have been there. I got in a fight the first 0:12:42.841 --> 0:12:45.361 week I was there, German guy playing. I was a 0:12:45.401 --> 0:12:47.881 really good chess player even then I'd been toured by 0:12:47.961 --> 0:12:51.801 Russians and that's pretty good. And its German guy played 0:12:51.881 --> 0:12:54.161 in playing for just for a jar, honey. But that 0:12:54.241 --> 0:12:58.201 that's that's important. It's hard to get, especially in those days. 0:12:58.401 --> 0:13:00.321 You can only get on a buyout three a year. 0:13:01.081 --> 0:13:03.481 And he's young, got the chessboard and whacked me over 0:13:03.521 --> 0:13:06.921 to here with a chess board. Yeah, and so we're 0:13:06.921 --> 0:13:09.121 into it. And my old man had taught me to fight. 0:13:09.321 --> 0:13:13.401 I could handle this off. Yeah, I was fast and fit. 0:13:14.001 --> 0:13:17.881 But so I got best of him. So this old 0:13:17.881 --> 0:13:20.481 guy came out of me. I was sharing to sell 0:13:20.481 --> 0:13:22.081 of him and my mate. He said, listen, he said, 0:13:22.201 --> 0:13:24.361 you've done well, and the screws let it go with me. 0:13:24.521 --> 0:13:28.241 In those days, if you weren't bloody killing somebody, he said, 0:13:28.241 --> 0:13:30.561 Look he said, I don't get carried away. He said, 0:13:30.561 --> 0:13:32.401 he's guys, and he said, it's good you've done that, 0:13:32.441 --> 0:13:34.801 because young guys were getting raped in there. At the 0:13:35.161 --> 0:13:38.601 young guy got raped in the shower, he said, some 0:13:38.681 --> 0:13:40.521 of these guys. But you want to hear me on 0:13:40.601 --> 0:13:42.601 her back, he said, I'm telling you. He said, so, 0:13:43.401 --> 0:13:45.361 don't get carried away. And he was right. There were 0:13:45.401 --> 0:13:48.641 some tough guys here, and he said, don't go on 0:13:48.681 --> 0:13:52.201 to sell alone woman, don't go stay free out with ars, etcetera, 0:13:52.241 --> 0:13:54.521 et cetera. And he just gave me the grand rules. 0:13:54.601 --> 0:13:57.521 But what I did learn I learned the code, you know, 0:13:57.601 --> 0:14:00.401 the criminal code. It was there three months, and I learned. 0:14:00.961 --> 0:14:03.521 You know that you don't give anybody up. It's the 0:14:03.561 --> 0:14:07.921 wrong thing to give anyone up. And if somebody's kicking 0:14:07.921 --> 0:14:09.921 somebody in their head and bashing them, you walk away. 0:14:10.521 --> 0:14:14.921 The criminal code it turns our normal ethics upside down. 0:14:15.081 --> 0:14:17.521 And when you subscribe to it, it's hard to unsubscribe 0:14:17.521 --> 0:14:19.521 to it when you step back in a normal world, 0:14:19.561 --> 0:14:21.401 when you've got to step back in and live a 0:14:21.401 --> 0:14:25.001 normal life. And so many either today, so many young 0:14:25.041 --> 0:14:28.361 ones hooking enterities, and it's even worse now with drugs. 0:14:28.361 --> 0:14:31.201 There were no drugs when I was there those days, 0:14:31.241 --> 0:14:35.641 there were no drugs, and so anyone will really give 0:14:35.681 --> 0:14:37.761 someone up. They go on protection. I remember I went 0:14:37.801 --> 0:14:40.841 to Golden and there was only one going protection. You 0:14:40.921 --> 0:14:44.081 go to Golden now half and that's the fact. So 0:14:44.881 --> 0:14:51.161 I mean, it's a logistic night, you know, administrative nightmare. 0:14:51.201 --> 0:14:53.241 I think to try and run golb and I wouldn't 0:14:53.281 --> 0:14:54.841 like to be trying to route it because you've got 0:14:54.841 --> 0:14:57.761 the protection. You've got what they've done now they split 0:14:57.761 --> 0:15:02.121 it up. You've got you've got the Indigenous yard, then 0:15:02.161 --> 0:15:05.601 you've got the you got the Muslim yard. Then you've 0:15:05.601 --> 0:15:10.481 got the Ousi Asians, Osio Islands protections, protection from protections. 0:15:10.681 --> 0:15:13.201 Then over there got this big wing protection from protection 0:15:13.281 --> 0:15:16.681 from protection. And you've got thirds and pedophiles here. And 0:15:16.681 --> 0:15:19.161 the murders said, then you've got super max. I mean, 0:15:19.561 --> 0:15:21.681 and if you're going to a visit, you're not allowd 0:15:21.801 --> 0:15:24.481 if a protection is coming, you're not allowing going out 0:15:24.481 --> 0:15:26.561 at the same time, So you might be waiting an 0:15:26.561 --> 0:15:28.641 hour if you visit. I mean, it's just just a 0:15:29.321 --> 0:15:33.281 shocking set up and the floor and that is they 0:15:33.321 --> 0:15:36.281 had about seven or eight killings in Garblin in the nineties. 0:15:36.681 --> 0:15:38.161 They called it the Killing film. So it was that 0:15:38.281 --> 0:15:41.881 bad go it's just they're coming and do the mustard. 0:15:41.921 --> 0:15:44.481 Somebody be covered up with a blanket. And there was 0:15:44.521 --> 0:15:47.761 one case these Asians turn on his guy and one 0:15:47.801 --> 0:15:49.881 little Asian just run up. There's a big tough going 0:15:50.161 --> 0:15:53.081 run up behind him, pinned his arms and then the 0:15:53.121 --> 0:15:56.281 other was running. He fell on the ground about fifty 0:15:56.321 --> 0:15:58.561 six flty stad was in before you think he's dead 0:15:58.561 --> 0:16:01.841 before hit the ground, and I mean, I don't care. 0:16:02.601 --> 0:16:04.321 You're not going to cape with it, you know. And 0:16:05.241 --> 0:16:07.881 so a lot of tough guys got killed standing over him, 0:16:07.921 --> 0:16:10.361 in on you, a few of them. But that was 0:16:10.401 --> 0:16:14.481 before I hit with with a helicopter which goes through it. 0:16:14.521 --> 0:16:16.961 But in those days, jar was tough. 0:16:17.681 --> 0:16:20.601 But it changed you, like the change when you know, 0:16:20.761 --> 0:16:22.801 like when you've gone inside and then when you got 0:16:22.801 --> 0:16:25.041 released from like from a long way event. 0:16:25.441 --> 0:16:27.801 Yeah, did it make you. 0:16:29.081 --> 0:16:31.281 Worse in a way where you know, like with crime 0:16:31.401 --> 0:16:34.401 or did or did you. 0:16:33.401 --> 0:16:37.361 Know it should have? I should have looked. Look three 0:16:37.401 --> 0:16:40.401 guys in a cell lights off at nine. No no 0:16:40.521 --> 0:16:43.481 radio in those days, no, no, too lucky if you 0:16:43.521 --> 0:16:46.081 get a paperback books if you like it, you're around 0:16:46.081 --> 0:16:48.321 the yard all day, a little shad if it's raining 0:16:48.321 --> 0:16:51.961 and you're on showers. I think three times a week 0:16:52.081 --> 0:16:55.241 you got in you'll show together and this buddy nightmare. 0:16:55.961 --> 0:16:57.841 To be lucky, you got to watch you don't get 0:16:57.841 --> 0:17:01.481 buddy stabbed or something. I mean, it was. It was tough. 0:17:01.481 --> 0:17:05.201 The meals were terrible, absolutely terrible. No phone calls, so 0:17:05.361 --> 0:17:08.161 you lost contact everybody. If you got to visit, you're 0:17:08.201 --> 0:17:10.521 like enough to get a visit. It was you had 0:17:10.521 --> 0:17:12.881 the white grading between the screw stand right next year 0:17:13.120 --> 0:17:15.841 there's a twenty minute visit once a fortnite. I mean, 0:17:16.201 --> 0:17:19.640 relationships can't exist under that. You can't if you write 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.080 a letter, if you're one page letter, you have to 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.201 write a pen and ink and you take that page down. 0:17:25.801 --> 0:17:27.680 You only do one a week. Shot that the screw 0:17:27.721 --> 0:17:33.321 he'd go up now going right. If you didn't like it, 0:17:34.801 --> 0:17:38.840 say how the hell you wouldn't say to yourself? I 0:17:39.120 --> 0:17:41.281 just never going back there. But I didn't know. I 0:17:41.360 --> 0:17:43.600 was the opposite. I don't know why, but I was 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.120 the opposite. I was dirty, I had chip on my shot. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.440 I sort of blaming everyone but myself, this shouldn't have 0:17:49.441 --> 0:17:53.600 happened to me. Fuck them, I'll start robbing banks. I 0:17:53.681 --> 0:17:55.880 decided it was going to become a bank robber just 0:17:55.921 --> 0:18:00.080 the well, not that time. People told me, you know 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.920 that there weren't many bank robbers at the time. There weren't. 0:18:02.961 --> 0:18:06.360 But what I did. I came back in. I tried 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.281 to escape, you know, I just turn it on and 0:18:08.360 --> 0:18:11.561 try to escape from bapist. There were four was going 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:17.761 to go and and two cops showed a time sign 0:18:17.721 --> 0:18:20.240 of the times because we're going in a court. They 0:18:20.281 --> 0:18:24.001 didn't handcuffs, And I said, three young ones and the 0:18:24.281 --> 0:18:27.361 other one and women caught for Robin the Western stores. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.481 They come up got me. I only wasn't in Bold 0:18:29.561 --> 0:18:31.000 that they come and got me. I was going with 0:18:31.001 --> 0:18:34.321 this guy's sister in Orange had gone up there. I 0:18:34.360 --> 0:18:38.920 was digging potatoes. Dad was proud of me from diggingmation. 0:18:39.441 --> 0:18:46.920 You know. You finally they said, finally was somebody I 0:18:46.921 --> 0:18:49.680 was digging potatoes. You know, that was the attitude of 0:18:49.721 --> 0:18:52.561 my father. He always said, you know, you're the son 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.881 of a working man. He's got a cart. Shit do it. 0:18:55.961 --> 0:18:59.081 But you know, so I was going with the guy. 0:18:59.120 --> 0:19:01.161 I sist they went to town. They came back and 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:07.120 Sydney about this Western stores. And so they had a guy, Taffy, 0:19:07.120 --> 0:19:11.360 he's about thirty five. Two young guys about my age 0:19:11.721 --> 0:19:13.761 that I was friends. I was with barbering and they said, 0:19:13.761 --> 0:19:15.440 come on, let's go, and we're doing the West stores. 0:19:15.961 --> 0:19:18.880 She said, don't go. I said, look, everything's final soon tomorrow. 0:19:18.921 --> 0:19:20.681 I never never saw it again. Jump jump in the car. 0:19:20.761 --> 0:19:24.600 We went. They lowered me down from the top of 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.801 the thing. We got about I think it was twenty 0:19:27.201 --> 0:19:30.321 pounds with a gear jeweling stuff. It was pretty good. 0:19:30.761 --> 0:19:32.640 That's a lot of money in those days, nine to 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.880 sixty pounds. He took them bloody, maybe three four hundred 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:41.080 fairs and dollars. But we had the car loaded. But 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.401 guess what, it ran out of petrol coming to lift 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:46.640 cat and I couldn't believe it. And then he tied 0:19:46.681 --> 0:19:48.681 it was stylen car. That's why he couldn't fill up. 0:19:49.681 --> 0:19:53.281 And in those days was a different setup. They used 0:19:53.281 --> 0:19:55.160 to come and do it themselves in the station and 0:19:56.721 --> 0:19:59.001 they were siphon and petrol, and the cops came. They 0:19:59.001 --> 0:20:02.601 got us buddies. So we went to the lift batist. 0:20:03.360 --> 0:20:06.921 It was pretty tough, and so I used to look, 0:20:06.921 --> 0:20:08.681 we can escape, and that was the plan. The four 0:20:08.721 --> 0:20:11.961 should run with only two cops. But when it happened, 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.521 the old the old sides in his front. I just 0:20:15.561 --> 0:20:19.080 shoved him and he stumbled forward, and one of my mates, 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:26.521 when I helped him up, you're right. And I tooked off, 0:20:26.521 --> 0:20:28.840 and the other I said, good luck, Johnny. All the 0:20:29.001 --> 0:20:32.080 other cops come after me, and he's fired shots at me, 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.441 and I heard him, and I just knew I'd read 0:20:34.481 --> 0:20:36.441 somewhere that if you hear it, you know I haven't 0:20:36.441 --> 0:20:39.400 been hit because the speed is ound. So I ripped 0:20:39.441 --> 0:20:41.761 off my pullover. I was really dirt and the others 0:20:41.761 --> 0:20:45.801 not coming, and ripped off the pillover. I ran about 0:20:45.801 --> 0:20:48.960 about a half a mile away and sirens of me. 0:20:49.241 --> 0:20:53.600