WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 5 November 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:00.480 Lately. 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:04.800 Welcome the late base. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:09.640 Well, good evening. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.000 Caleb Bond coming up. What happens when Democrats are asked 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:15.760 to bear the burden of their own bad policies, Well, 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.560 they perform an Olympic Award winning backflip. That's what they do. 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.000 We'll show you one of those a little later. Plus, 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.160 when we look at the papers, interest rates on hold, 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.080 but the Reserve Bank governor says that's not to rule 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:32.239 out a future rise. And Australian mining companies invited to 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.440 dig up New Zealand. We'll get to all of that. 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.159 Plus when we look at the papers. Obviously, one of 0:00:37.200 --> 0:00:40.080 the big stories tomorrow is today's Melbourne Cup. I just 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.120 want to let you know we will not let Caleb 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.800 Bond off the hook for his dodgy tips. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:51.879 N Heyesingle when no, of course, you only have one win. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:54.040 But one of the horses I tip came in third, 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.000 so don't totally canly. 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.840 Or well that's cold comfort when it came in third. 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:00.840 I tipped it to come in third, and as a result, 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.560 my pocket is a fair bit lighter. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.360 Than how many times do I have to tell you 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:05.360 what trusted. 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.640 I believe him. We'll hold a little later, but first. 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:15.800 An Aboriginal land claim over a picturesque park in one 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.840 of Sydney's wealthiest suburbs has raised the question all over 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:23.959 again should Australian spaces be for Australians or should they 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.280 be divided up and given out on the base of race. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.720 Mossman City Councils say they will fight the land claim 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.160 that would give freehold title of Little Ashton Park near 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:38.440 Taronga Zoo to an indigenous group. They'll argue the park 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.200 is regularly used by locals and so shouldn't be given 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:46.200 away to an aboriginal organization. The president of Mossman Parks 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.360 and bush Land Association, Kate Eccles, said, our position on 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.520 land claims is that public land should be for all 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:57.040 Australians and the problem with land claims is we often 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.880 don't know the intention for the land claim when they're submitted. 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.680 Is it to stay as public land for the benefit 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.800 of everyone or is there some other intention? The problem 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.560 is we don't know. It doesn't mean to say there 0:02:08.560 --> 0:02:10.760 are plans to develop the land, but we'd be very 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.560 sorry if the park was to be lost. There's an 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.200 issue of principle. There's an issue of process and there's 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:21.400 a massive paradox here. On principle. The president of the 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:25.760 Bush and Parklands Association is absolutely correct. Australian land should 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.240 be for Australians. Didn't we change the national anthem to 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.040 sing we are One and free? And it was only 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.760 last October we held a referendum and to be fair, 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.680 it was about a voice to Parliament, but the No 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.480 campaign made the campaign broader than that. They asked Australians 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:45.360 to reject dividing us by race and that resonated with 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.960 the population. Sixty percent said we agree, we don't want 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.480 to be divided by race. That's the principle. There's also 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.160 an issue of process here, and that is that most 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.360 of these land claims are secretive. This particular one in 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.080 Moss was made in two thousand and nine, that's fifteen 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:06.200 years ago, but it's only now come to public attention 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:10.560 that the Council has been asked to respond. These land 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.400 claims are kept secret out of commercial sensitivities for the 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.440 indigenous groups. But what about sensitivities to locals? What about 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.359 taking local people into account? For a number of years now, 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:26.120 locals around that park have spent hundreds of hours volunteering 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.359 planting seven hundred trees, giving up their time to remove 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:32.520 noxious weeds, the whole time oblivious to the fact there's 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.640 a land claim sitting in a government office and the 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.200 property may be taken away from general use. Twenty six 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.560 thousand land claims currently exist in New South Wales, most 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:47.119 of them unknown to the public. And then Calebin lives. 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.840 There's a massive paradox here, and that is that, as 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.560 I said, sixty percent of Australian said we don't want 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.600 to be divided by race. But I'll tell you one 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.200 electorate in this country where it was almost an inverse 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:03.040 of that result. In Waring, which incorporates Mossman, fifty nine 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.720 and a half percent of people voted yes. Now here's 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.600 the problem. They now don't want their park to be 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.840 given to people on the basis of race. Well, if 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:15.040 you don't want the country divided by race, you have 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.360 to stand on principles, and that is we are one, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.719 so you don't start down that road in the first place. 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.680 So there's the irony. They voted yes to the voice 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:26.400 and I'll say, oh, but we didn't think our park 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:27.640 would be taken from it. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.360 You might say, you get what you deserve, but thankfully 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:32.240 the rest of the country is a little more sensible 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.640 and sorted that one out. The fact that this system 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.200 exists in the first place is the problem here, right. 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.479 You can't blame the local Aboriginal land councils for whacking 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.760 in these claims because the law says that's what they 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:45.440 ought to do. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:45.760 Correct. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.400 There is a system that exists whereby supposedly, if a 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.640 piece of land, piece of public land, is not used 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.920 for its intended purpose for a number of years, an 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.479 Aboriginal land council can make a claim to the state 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:01.719 government and said, say we want at freehold. In what 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:04.480 world does that make any sense? Like someone just gets 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.880 to wander in and say, oh, well that's currently not 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:10.880 being used by someone else, therefore it should be mine. Well, no, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.560 it doesn't work like that. Because it's public land. It 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.920 is owned by everyone. It's owned in most cases by 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.440 either the state government or the council for the benefit 0:05:21.560 --> 0:05:24.040 of all the people in the state or all the 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.400 people in the council. A system whereby on the basis 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.600 of race, and this is separate from native title, which 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.000 has different rules and regulations around what you can do 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:37.000 with the land. A system whereby on the basis of race, 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:41.520 you can be given freehold land for free that you 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:45.039 could then sell, you could then potentially develop, you could 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.400 do all sorts of things with is racist and it 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:49.360 is ridiculous. 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.080 And I remember cases, and. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.080 We'll talk about this in a minute, but there was 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.200 one in Balmoral Beach earlier this year. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.200 I think it was were September last year, and I think. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.160 The appeal on that ended in June. They haven't been 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.120 successful with that one, thank god. But again it was 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.680 a different land council that wanted all of this land 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.440 near Balmoral Beach, and when that came to light, I 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.479 think a lot of people went, we've never heard of 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.520 this system before, whereby you can just get freehold title 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.840 land for zero dollars. There was all these stories coming 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.120 out about what had happened with land that had been 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.240 handed over, and one of the ones that sticks in 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.080 my mind was a piece of land in front of 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.960 a fire station that had been handed over because that 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.520 particular tract of land was public land and the driveway 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.559 into the fire station ran through that piece of land, 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.159 and so the fieries had to pay rent to the 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.920 local Aboriginal Land Corporation so they could drive their trucks 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:44.479 over the driveway. This is what happens in a racist 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:45.240 system like this. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:46.440 It should not exist. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:51.000 So you say you can't blame these Aboriginal land councils. 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:52.679 For having to go. I mean, the system's in place, 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:53.799 so why wouldn't you apply? 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:58.480 But you can because according to the Aboriginal Lands Rights Act, 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.200 which is what they're using, nineteen eighty three, that is 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.599 the mechanism by which they're applying for these plots of 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:10.720 crown land because they can. But that act specifically says 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:16.280 only bother applying for land that fits this description, which 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:21.200 is not used, not occupied, not needed or likely to 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.880 be needed for an essential public purpose. Now, these guys 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.640 keep going after prime spots of land, the one you 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:34.720 just spoke about in Valmorl that's also same council, same 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.840 Mossman council, has to keep batting these away. 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:41.480 This is prime real estate. For those of you unfamiliar 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:42.040 with New. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:46.280 South Wales, Mosmen is where the upper echelons of society live. 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.080 Mossman is where you choose to live if you don't 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.800 want to come into contact with the great Unwashed Mosman 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.680 is where everyone dreams of living one day. Okay, So 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.320 these Indigenous land councils apply for these plots of land 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:05.440 that are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there's 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.640 not an inch of mossman that isn't already used, okay, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.960 because every single inch of it is beautiful. So it's 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.280 either privately owned or it's publicly very much appreciated by 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.200 absolutely everyone here. The point in fact here, though, is 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:25.360 that this horse has bolted. You mentioned we've changed our 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.800 anthem to we are one and free. Well we need 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:31.000 to change it again because we are absolutely not one. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:35.400 As of June last year, Aborigines and torrest Rait Islanders 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:41.520 had control, end or owned seventeen percent of Australia's land mass. 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:46.480 Over forty percent is under native title. Our country has 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.880 been carved up right under our noses. It's continuing to 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.520 be carved up. And we don't know when when these 0:08:54.640 --> 0:09:00.720 land councils a given freehold title, which means, as Caleb said, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:03.040 they can develop it, they can do whatever they want 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:03.320 with it. 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.360 We don't know who then has control of that land. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:12.040 And like this woman said, the association president Kate Eccles, 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.040 what their intention is now we know that there has 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.280 to be some intention. Otherwise you wouldn't apply to have 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.000 freehold title. If you just were like, oh, we're not 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:23.880 going to touch anything and it's going to be business 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.000 as usual, nobody will even know what happened. Why would 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.000 you apply for it in the first place. The sad 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.040 truth of the matter is, I just think there's no 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:37.480 walking this back either. What leadership, state or federal is 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.840 going to come into power and say, actually, I'm terf 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.600 and all that we are one nation and we're not 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:45.520 going to do that anymore. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.560 Well, you mentioned before, James, the fact that there's no 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.400 transparency in this system. I mean, this application has been 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.720 lying around since two thousand and nine. And another example 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.320 of this down in Victoria, this time involving rock climbing. Now, 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.040 in Victoria they have of the biggest rock climbing area, 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:05.600 some of the most popular rock climbing areas in the 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:09.600 world in one case now and this came down from 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.320 the Victorian government last night, right so on the eve 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:16.480 of the Melbourne Cup, on the eve of the US election, 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.840 when they know that the new cycle is going to 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.400 be dominated by other things. The Victorian government tells rock 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.640 climbers in Victoria and the rest of the world that 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.840 half of their rock climbing spaces are probably going to. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.760 Be taken away from them. No, this is not a joke. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.800 This is going on in the Grampians Mount Arapiles. They 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.360 are being told that literally half of this could be 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:41.720 banned on the. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.199 Basis of cultural heritage. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.760 Now there's been an investigation, a secret investigation that's been 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:53.280 going on into cultural heritage since twenty twenty. Parks Victoria 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:57.160 says that between November twenty twenty and February twenty twenty three, 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.840 Parks Victoria, with the support of the Barringhi Gadgean Land 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:07.520 Council another Aboriginal land Council, conducted archaeological and environmental surveys 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.600 at Mount Arapiles and Mita Rock in the do You 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:15.560 write Cultural Landscape. These surveys were intended to record cultural heritage, 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.920 regionally significant threatened plants and investigate the impacts of recreational 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.080 activities on this rich cultural and environmental landscape. And on 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.600 the basis of these reports, they are said now to 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:30.480 be banning half of the rock climbing space. 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.440 But they won't release the reports. They won't tell. 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.680 Us what is actually in them, so we can see 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:41.280 why we are no longer allowed to climb rocks in 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.720 our own country. Save Grampians Climbing has been a group 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.440 fighting against this. They said it was a wipe folks. 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.719 The literal beating heart of climbing in Australia has been 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:55.840 ripped out and discarded, and once again we cannot see 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.959 why they just tell us it's a cultural heritage problem. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:04.000 I'm here therefore, you as Australians and people internationally. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:06.120 I mean the money this brings into the Grampians. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.280 People come from all around the world to go rock 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.720 climbing in the Grampians. It is the place right and 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:13.400 we're now told that half of it's going to be 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.400 locked up on the basis of cultural heritage, that none 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.640 of us can be availed off because that's dangerous. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:19.000 I don't know. 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.600 Some of the information in this story is quite astonishing. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.920 A lot of the rock art is reportedly invisible to 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.280 the naked eye, so we're not talking about really obvious 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.680 things here. There's things that climbers had to be asked 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.959 to provide the location of different sites because no one 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.040 else was aware of it. So prior to climbers themselves 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.719 reporting oh we've seen this or this. No one even 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.600 knew these sites were there. And then the Australian newspaper 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.800 reported that some of these protected sites were quote large 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:56.280 stone tool quarrying and manufacturing sites. And I don't mean 0:12:56.320 --> 0:13:00.040 to be disrespectful, but when you're talking about thousands of 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.080 years ago, I'm not sure you would call bits of 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:07.400 rock used to chip off other bits of rock manufacturing sites. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.200 It's almost like any evidence of past aboriginal activity, no 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:15.520 matter how mundane, automatically renders a location to be sacred 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.800 and therefore unavailable for use by anyone else, except perhaps 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.520 if there's a fee paid and some sort of regular 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.880 ceremony carried out. And you mentioned this news was dropped 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:30.240 on the eve of the Melbourne Cup holiday. There's been 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:35.480 a consultation invited twenty eight days for submissions, but those 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:41.000 applying online to submit their feelings about this decision are 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.319 told quote, this consultation will not be reversing any changes 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.800 to the areas that need to be protected. So what 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:49.120 sort of consultation is it when you're told, by the 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.800 way really not submit your opinion. We want you to 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.440 know your opinion is not going to change anything. We'd 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:55.240 love to hear from. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:59.320 You, but you were consulted, so you can't complain. Now. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:03.440 This is on top of already iconic rock climbing routes 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:05.960 being closed years ago in the Grampians. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:06.959 And I remember that. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.360 Because me and my family when I was a kid, 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.960 we used to holiday there all the time and Dad 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.920 would take us kids on one of seven. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:18.520 So it's a real trek up on these iconic. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.360 Stunningly beautiful We thought we were rock climbing. Really it's 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.720 a beautiful trek with some like two second like uphills. 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.520 I was a little fatty, so I was only. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:30.720 There with a chocolate break stat and stop and be 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.160 like do we need sustenance And I'd be. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.960 Like, oh yeah, crumbs, the. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:37.160 Yeah, crumbs. The cat over here. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:45.480 But the list of these iconic Australian stunning sceneries that 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.840 are being ripped away from everyday Australians making memories of 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.120 a lifetime, I'll never. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:52.280 Forget those Grampians. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.600 There was the Elephants High There was some of them, 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.320 I remember their names, but they were all stunningly beautiful 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:01.760 and we holidayed there regularly. Which is the most beautiful 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.640 national park in New South Wales. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.240 You can't go there anymore. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.240 Sorry, you're white as rock, can't climb that anymore? 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.120 Sorry, why you're white? 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.960 Saint Mary's Peak in South Australia, Flinders Rangers, the tallest. 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:17.960 Peak, the best of the lot. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.080 You can't go to the summit anymore because well, your 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:26.520 white glasshouse Mountains in Queensland, three of the summits have 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:31.440 been closed to you because I'm sorry, wrong skilled, skin color, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:35.760 wrong ethnicity, you're not indigenous. You can't go here, as 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.400 well as Mount Gillen in Alice Springs, close to the 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:41.760 rest of us, but available to others. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.080 When is enough going to be enough? 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:49.080 I mean, if you just keep this list, every time 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.280 one of these stories comes out, you add to it 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:55.080 and you're just like, how how much is too much? 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:56.840 Like, at what point are we going to go? 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.440 Look, we did actually take it all when he came. 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.240 I mean that's what you do. So unless you give 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.240 it all back and we just clear out like we 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:10.480 often joke about, which will never happen, then it's never 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:11.120 going to be enough. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.600 Anwother thing I don't get is from a cultural heritage perspective, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:17.440 If you want to tell the story of these areas, 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.800 surely the best way to do it and to endear 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.400 people to the stories is to actually get them to 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.360 come and enjoy the spaces. And so if they come 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.480 and they climb at the Grampians or they walk up 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.640 Eolarou or whatever, and there's a story to go along 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.680 with it, does that not add to the experience and 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.680 actually educate people at the same time. Would you not 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.920 be more inclined to learn about the local Aboriginal history 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.960 if you could participate in the history while you're there. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:44.480 I don't get it from that perspective. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.400 I mean there's the internal contradictions too, because indigenous groups 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:51.000 themselves disagree over what should be protected and what should not. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:53.320 I think in Mount Warning there's certain indigenous groups that 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.480 wants to be able to climate and they're not allowed 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.200 to climb it either because of other indigenous grips. So 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.440 the whole thing is messed up. And then there's the 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.400 penalties in Victoria. If you are now found to be 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:06.640 climbing in one of these sacred or protected culturally heritage 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.480 cultural heritage protected sites, it's a three hundred thousand dollar 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.200 five Oh my gosh. 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.720 Imagine doing that by accident. And they're like. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:19.000 Excuse me, you're not indigenous. That'll be three hundred thousand smackers. 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.960 Thank you very much to the US. Now, where as 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:26.760 we know it's finally happening, you're probably already tired of 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:27.440 hearing about it. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.560 And think of how tired we are talking about it. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:31.199 But the polls are open. 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.000 It is a morrow. Now, you'll be watching tomorrow. We'll 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:35.720 all be glued. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.639 We've all got our lifetime supply of popcorn stocked up. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.840 But I tell you who has disappeared from the campaign 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:46.440 trail since Saturday, and that is the current President, Joe Biden. 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:51.159 Because just days after he called hundreds of millions of 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:56.720 Americans garbage for supporting Donald Trump, he gave his last 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.920 speech at Scranton, Pennsylvania, and this time decided to tell 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:06.200 them all exactly what he'd like to do to those Republicans. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:09.320 Now, I know some of you guys are attempted to 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:10.560 think as much your guys. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.640 I'll tell you what, man, and I'm. 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.080 Serious, these are the kind of guys you like to 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:21.200 smack an ass. A lot of commentators at this point 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:25.560 are just saying this guy hates Kamala. They keep pushing 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.240 him out on the campaign trail. He does these one 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.640 liner gaffs that then dominate the media. She gets she's 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.800 gasping for air with regards to media attention because this 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:40.000 guy says one little line like Republicans are garbage. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.240 I want to smack their asses. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.280 And that dominates the media for hours and hours. Well, 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.680 Elon Musk was very quick to respond to this, tweeting, 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.920 first he calls me gay, then he says he wants to. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.600 Touch my ass. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:59.479 It's not hard to figure out which side of this 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.720 debate has the better sense of humor. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.040 but get this. At least Joe has some funny gaffs. 0:19:07.560 --> 0:19:12.040 All Kamala has every time she takes the stage is 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.040 just a copy paste of what she said at the 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:18.719 last rally and the rally before that, and the rally 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:19.320 before that. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:22.320 Are you ready to make your voices her? 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.000 Do we believe it? 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:29.679 Form? 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.000 Do we believe in? 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:32.200 Johnny? 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:35.000 Don't believe? 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:41.720 I don't remember her? 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.800 Really, you can come up with a slightly different version. 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.920 I mean, they're just hours apart. Some of these rallies. 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:57.440 You can get a speech writer to just throwing a. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.840 Few one liners unique to the last one. No, that's 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.600 all She's capable of and that's all they've got. I mean, 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.840 it's just sad at this point, and I'm glad it's 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.480 almost over right. It is finally polling day. We can 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.560 just count the votes and get on with the rest 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:12.840 of it. 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.639 Poor old Joe Biden, I mean, because he's from Scrans 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:18.520 in Pennsylvania, right, and Pennsylvania, as we know, is one 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:19.880 of the swing states that. 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.679 Will probably decide this election. 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.440 And he gets told after being booted from the Canada, 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.359 to see, you know, he's got his final months in office, 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.760 and clearly he's been told in the dying days of 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:31.400 the campaign. 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.000 Sorry, buddy, we. 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:34.160 Don't want you any needed. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.960 The blokes will just come out and go rogue. I 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.440 want to see Joe Bide doing like this this morning, 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.760 as in US time, this morning. So when I go 0:20:42.880 --> 0:20:45.359 home tonight and people are waking up in the US 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:47.200 and getting ready to go out to vote, and I'll 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.879 be watching the coverage on Fox at you know, about 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.840 two am this morning, our time, I want to see 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.200 Joe Biden coming out walking around telling people to vote 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.080 Donald Trump. I want to see him walking around saying 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.800 that's silent. They've bound me up and put me in 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:06.480 a bunker somewhere, like just go road, mate, come out 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.439 and tell us exactly what you think about Kamala Harris. 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.199 That could tip the election, I think. But the bull bugger, 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.480 you know, all these years in public life and then 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:16.600 in the last moments of it he's told, sorry, mate, 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:17.440 we that wants you any book. 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.560 The way this election has gone, that would not surprise. 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.159