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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We're smack bang in the middle of a five week

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Speaker 2: by period club footy, of course, but has the disrupted

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Speaker 2: nature of the fixture halted momentum? If so, what's the solution? Nonetheless,

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Speaker 2: it's looking a lot like twenty eleven, with Collingwood and

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Speaker 2: Gelong at the top of the AFL ladder emerging as

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Speaker 2: the top two seeds in the Premiership pecking order. Will

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Speaker 2: to dissect all that in the power rankings, the big

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Speaker 2: issues in phaar or Fast, plus a thin mailbag, the

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Speaker 2: wisdom of Kevin Sheedy, and of course the expert tips

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Speaker 2: and cups, all on the Fox Footy Podcast. Ben Watterworth

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Speaker 2: with you, as is the man coming off arguably expected scores,

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Speaker 2: biggest weekend ever Max Lorton, Hello, Maxim.

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Speaker 3: Well it's always the Giants. We'll talk about that later

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Speaker 3: on twelve, Ben, what were you doing in twenty eleven?

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Speaker 2: Form memory, graduating high school, met my wife, You're graduating

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Speaker 2: graduating university sir, I was to say, given older.

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Speaker 3: Than me, that you were held back a couple of

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Speaker 3: years no concerning yes, and Will Forkner, what were you

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Speaker 3: doing in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 4: Wi, Max, Yeah, just coming fresh out the worm. I

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Speaker 4: would have been in a year five. I reckon god

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Speaker 4: that I think twenty eleven I was in part curring

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Speaker 4: Cove Palm Cove in the final Queensland for that Grand

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Speaker 4: Final twenty eleven.

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Speaker 3: Oh on holiday. Whether you lived there.

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Speaker 4: Like some sort of migrant that matchup specifically, I believe

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Speaker 4: I was there for that.

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Speaker 2: So in twenty eleven, Max Kate, Caate and Wills wed

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Speaker 2: the US of course eliminated as Summer in Laden.

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Speaker 3: Yes when and John Sena announced it at the end

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Speaker 3: of w w E Extreme Rules. That was the rock

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Speaker 3: knew it first, and then John Cena came out and

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Speaker 3: said we have compromised him to a permanent end, and

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Speaker 3: everyone cheered and it was the most American thing ever.

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Speaker 2: And of course Geelong played Collingwood in the Grand Final.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's what we're talking.

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Speaker 2: Could we see the same Grand Final matchup fourteen years

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Speaker 2: later for the.

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Speaker 3: Two best teams, aren't they? I think everyone agrees with that.

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Speaker 3: At the moment, I think so. I think so Collingwood

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Speaker 3: and Geelong. Collingwood had the buy.

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Speaker 2: Particularly if they get the top two spots of the

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Speaker 2: two home finals and it harder for the lines from there.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it seems like they should. Well, they keep

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Speaker 3: Inmond with the Lions their crap at home now, so

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Speaker 3: maybe it doesn't help them. You'd still rather not travel,

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Speaker 3: I guess, But no, Geelong has got the easiest drawing

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Speaker 3: the com from here. They're already back in second now

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Speaker 3: and they should take advantage of that. I think They've

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Speaker 3: got two games left against the top nine, one of

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Speaker 3: them is Brisbane this week and then there's a Giants game,

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Speaker 3: so it's the two teams in the top eight that

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Speaker 3: they've lost to they get a chance to get revenge.

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Speaker 3: And then Collingwood, as we know, we're just flying and

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Speaker 3: they're effectively two games clear everyone, three games clear of most,

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Speaker 3: so they would have to really stuff it up. And

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Speaker 3: we saw in their premiership year a couple of years

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Speaker 3: They still finish on top and still went all the way,

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Speaker 3: so they know what to do at this end of

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Speaker 3: the season.

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Speaker 2: So yes, the Cats have so they play each other

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Speaker 2: this weekend, Geelong and Brisbane. Then they both have the

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Speaker 2: buy in round sixteen when.

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Speaker 3: They should have played the gold Cos Essendon game. They

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Speaker 3: should have work stuff around and around this period, but anyway.

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Speaker 2: And then from around seventeen Geelong places Richmond at GMHBA,

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Speaker 2: the Giants at Giants Stadium, Sint Kilda, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Essendon.

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Speaker 2: Then they go to Sydney for at the seg then

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Speaker 2: Richmond again. On the couch last night, Jack Riebot looked

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Speaker 2: at those last six games and said they could win

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Speaker 2: all those games easy.

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Speaker 3: I mean the hardest one is what Sydney away. A

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Speaker 3: at GMHBA, and they thrashed them in Adelaide earlier this year. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Of potential Banada Pelle game. If the Swans get their

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Speaker 3: Next well, this is the period when they have to go.

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Speaker 3: And it seems like Gordon and Paplia are a chance

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Speaker 3: of coming back. As you say so, maybe, but yeah

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Speaker 3: they unless something crazy happens, they're going to be top

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Speaker 4: I fascinate you with a stat pleasely on with this

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Speaker 4: Geelong Brisbane. The Allions haven't beaten Geelong down and GM

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Speaker 3: Well they should have got one of those. Two of

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Speaker 3: those there was the I want to say twenty fifteen ish.

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Speaker 3: There was the one where there was like a mark

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Speaker 3: controversial whether it was touched maybe, And then there was

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Speaker 3: the was it blitzers should have been caught holding the ball?

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Speaker 5: Yes, and paid a free kick.

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Speaker 3: Again at that same end of view of HbA.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't there one where Chris Scott had a run in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did go for a player from memory, Yes,

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Speaker 3: he was annoyed a quarter time. Yes, a bit of

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Speaker 3: drama in those games.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of drama in those games. Two

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Speaker 2: and three game was back in round six, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: the great King Kingsley kicker for Geelong back in that day,

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Speaker 2: and that over the course with the days when Gary

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Speaker 2: Abott was just getting fifteen disposals and.

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Speaker 3: A goal thirteen games. He'll never turn into anything.

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Speaker 2: Craig McCrae a team game high four goals.

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Speaker 3: Wow, he's still having an influence on the game today.

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Speaker 2: That's right, So yes, Gelong of Brisbane I think quite

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Speaker 2: clearly top two seeds Collingwood Geelong sorry and Collingwood the

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Speaker 2: top two seeds Brisbane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Kingy came in here a few weeks ago, all of

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Speaker 2: when do we start to worry about Brisbane? Do we

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Speaker 2: start to worry about Brisbane? Air fork?

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Speaker 4: I mean it's they're still sitting third, right, like, they're

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Speaker 4: still in a very good cushy position, but the last year.

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Speaker 3: And they have the hardest run home as compared to the.

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Speaker 4: Cats, the absolute hardest of everyone. Yeah right, Okay, look

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Speaker 4: they lost two in a row for some reason. The

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Speaker 4: very first sign of a downward trajectory, which would have been.

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Speaker 3: The should have lost that round nine I want to say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it was round nine and then

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Speaker 4: round ten. They then lost Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: They've only won two of their past six games, yes,

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Speaker 4: Yeah time, and I reckon King He came in after

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Speaker 4: They've won two loss two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they had the Hawthorne when we didveryone went oh, okay,

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Speaker 3: they're back, I guess, but they're No, they're back to

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Speaker 3: the Rod problems. They had the Ethenton game where they

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Speaker 3: But I thought they been off all year to be honest.

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Speaker 4: See, he's one for your max. Do you see them

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Speaker 4: now top four? They still have top four credentials or

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Speaker 4: do you see them finishing there or do you see

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Speaker 3: So that they're definitely at risk because of the draw.

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Speaker 3: That's what you've taken into account. And when the run

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Speaker 3: think eight pm after the A five twenty game, So

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Speaker 3: set your alarms off. Yes, we'll see where the lines

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Speaker 3: end up. I think they're at risk, but I have

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Speaker 3: them still third in my power rankings just because of

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Speaker 2: And who I think that maybe the more pertinent question

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Speaker 2: is who would replace them in the top four because

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Speaker 2: there's not a lot of teams in terms of from

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Speaker 3: Team and that's why they're still third, is why they

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Speaker 3: held the wins they'd banked, and then the fact that

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Speaker 3: no one's tried to claim it from them. Gold Coast

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Speaker 3: have definitely fallen off with a couple of losses and

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Speaker 3: had to buy. Adelaide played Hawthorne on Friday night and

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Speaker 3: expected scory game, yes, which was strange. And it's the

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Speaker 3: Crows and the Hawks who were just behind them. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I had the Hawks of the flag preseason. I still

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Speaker 3: better and getting some wins against contenders is really really important,

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Speaker 3: so that they're going to be in the top four

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Speaker 3: fight rather than in the fight for the last spots

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Speaker 3: in the eight That matters a lot. So it's the

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Speaker 4: Me, who do you have been after Geelong and Collingwood if.

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Speaker 3: You were doing the ben Power ranking?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to say the Dogs.

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Speaker 3: I want to say the Dogs, but they've been one

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Speaker 2: And I think, yeah, I think Adelaide's a big, a

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Speaker 2: into the adelade discussion now because Matthew Nicks was fascinating

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Speaker 2: his presser post game. He was because he was asked

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Speaker 2: in the second half against Hawthorne, and the responded to

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Speaker 2: that juxtaposition posed by the reporter saying, oh, a bit

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Speaker 2: was a bit of karma?

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Speaker 3: Backs they got half their score on expected score, like

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Speaker 3: their expected score was double what they actually something crazy

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Speaker 3: like that. So both teams kicked terribly. They just kicked

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Speaker 3: terribly er And so that's what happens in these close

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Speaker 3: games where gold kicking goes weird. You can wouldn't if

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Speaker 3: you said that they were going to be one on

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Speaker 3: one out of games against Brisbane and Hawthorne. I think

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Speaker 3: you'd like to see them be more convincing, but these

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Speaker 3: things happen. It's Hawthorne have a bit of a homegame.

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Speaker 3: Advanished in lon Sestin as we know has are you

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Speaker 3: doing a fairo fast about the lon Ceston Stadium and

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Speaker 3: I will leave.

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Speaker 2: My hold far on that. Just on the Giants. So

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Speaker 2: you wrote about them being the luckiest team in the AFL,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily based off this weekend's performance just gone, but

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Speaker 2: there is a bank of evidence in supporting that claim.

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Speaker 3: On expected score, they're the luckiest team over the last

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Speaker 3: three years since Adam Kingsley came in, teams have scored

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty points odd less than they should

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Speaker 3: have based on expected score against them. Okay, so no

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Speaker 3: other team has got that sort of outlier performance in

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Speaker 3: a positive sense. I think Essendon has been unlucky about

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Speaker 3: the same amount the other ways. That's just what they Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you can blame it all on that bomb as fans

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Speaker 3: otherwise you're going fine, So you take that into account.

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Speaker 3: Then you take into account that for the second year

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Speaker 3: in a row they go to the Gabba, they shoot

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Speaker 3: He's kicked something like thirteen to five this year, and

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Speaker 2: Therefore that is a credit. My thinking was probably more

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Speaker 3: Score to say, at least where mine does always.

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Speaker 2: I went to narrative in a few directions. When I

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Speaker 2: And numerically they basically broke even a little bit of

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Speaker 3: So the few good games the Giants have played this year,

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Speaker 3: Oh he's going to be a great key Ford of

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Speaker 3: the future, now is he? Oh? Well, he hasn't really

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Speaker 3: since that.

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Speaker 2: There's a bit more promise about Capbins kicked an extra

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Speaker 2: He was commanding. He took five or six contested marks,

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Speaker 2: we think it's probably down to the Giants and Fremantle.

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Speaker 3: And the Dogs and the Dogs probably and maybe the

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Speaker 3: those should be your top four contenders, and then Sons, Giants, Frero,

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Speaker 2: Taking from those last four teams, Sons, Giants, Freo and Dogs,

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Speaker 4: It's a really tough question. I mean, right now, the

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Speaker 4: I think the Dogs do find their way in. I

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Speaker 4: just feel like sometimes I can't put a word to

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Speaker 4: But I also think similarly of Freo, they seem to

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Speaker 3: The difference with Frio is that they would have lost

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Speaker 2: That's just that's what Justin Longviel said post game.

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Speaker 3: So that's the change, and that's and those close wins

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Speaker 3: And then the Giants.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually think the Giants probably the ones that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, other power rankings move There wasn't a lot of

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Speaker 3: Kindy Cart went up, did they can't went up, but

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Speaker 3: So Port with the mover because they are Ported Adelaide

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Speaker 4: As we spoke about under Sunday Max. They have one

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Speaker 4: I think the coaches is only a couple of weeks away,

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Speaker 4: But they did something similar last year. They didn't don't

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Speaker 4: that set them up. Obviously a much more cushier drawer

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Speaker 4: They should find themselves eight and seventh. In my opinion,

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Speaker 4: they should be Sitney at home, and I think they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a Friday night game or Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly deterred the Kenny haters for a little bit

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Speaker 2: was Huddo loves to save the line. You can't kill Kenny. Yes,

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Speaker 2: as well because he's loyal and you have Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: end of the season. I was thinking, though, if they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the ordering has made it look maybe

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Speaker 3: they'd finished like tenth or eleventh. That's where a lot

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Speaker 3: of people had them. It's funny how we get swayed

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Speaker 3: they're gonna end up where they should be.

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Speaker 2: What's you read in the powers we had towards the

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Speaker 2: the Alistair Clarks and sam Mitchell handover and very different

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Speaker 2: that happened with three rounds to go in the season. Thus,

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Speaker 2: as Collinwood was trying to poke Mitchell that memory and

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Speaker 2: Jeff Kennet sort of accelerated that a little bit. Can

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Speaker 2: you see that potentially happening at all?

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Speaker 4: I think Tom Morris reported that Ken would concede once

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Speaker 4: finals were out of the equation.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If you get within three games at the end of

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Speaker 4: they're officially mathematically out of the race, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: You might just give Ken the rest of the season

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Speaker 4: and just let the group enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: You could unofficially do it where you get cargets more

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Speaker 2: I kind of saw that a little bit with the

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Speaker 4: They were doing joint presses at one point, and surely

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Speaker 4: that would be more beneficial, right, Like, you've got your

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Speaker 4: for the last twelve thirteen years, basically shadowing you in

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Speaker 4: what you're doing. I can't see how that would be

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Speaker 4: detrimental to the handover. But I guess it just depends

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Speaker 4: how far into the race they go. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 4: the longer and longer they're in it, the more in

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Speaker 4: clined Ken's probably going to be to take the reins

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Speaker 4: that a little bit more. But I can't see them

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Speaker 4: it's not the diabolical ending that we thought it could be.

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Speaker 3: At one point we got everyone got excited about Melbourne

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Speaker 3: You know, this is how close, This is how far

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Speaker 2: You can also understand the d's love as well, considering

437
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Speaker 2: how close they got to knocking off Collingwood on King's birthday.

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Speaker 3: No, I think they're pretty good. I just think that

439
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Speaker 3: a lot like last year, we're going to have some

440
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Speaker 3: reasonably good teams in fourteenth and fifteenth. Again. Ye, it's

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Speaker 3: it's a very even comp This is what they've designed

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Speaker 3: the AFL to be.

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Speaker 2: It's working. We've held Max back on Taszy for long enough.

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Speaker 1: It's now time for this and now on the Fox

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Speaker 1: Footy podcast. Another strong edition of Australia's favorite segment, Fair

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Speaker 1: or Fast.

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Speaker 2: Max Friday Night proved Tasmania's new stadium whenever it is

448
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Speaker 2: built one hundred percent needs a roof on it, fair

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Speaker 2: or Fast.

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Speaker 3: Oh this is fair Fast. I can thank you for

451
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Speaker 3: introducing that. Yes, it does not need a roof. That's silly.

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Speaker 2: No one needs a roof on it.

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Speaker 3: No Fast Fast. One game that was cold yep, does

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Speaker 3: not mean you need a roof. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: that's why they're building it. It's basically that Gil went

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Speaker 3: to a game once and got cold. And when there's that, well,

457
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Speaker 3: is that meme the domino effect where it just like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Gil gets cold. Tasmania needs another state election in twenty

459
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Speaker 3: twenty five. It's quite funny how that works out. It's

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Speaker 3: always been a slightly optimistic demand of the AFL and

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Speaker 3: Tasmania doesn't have a lot of leverage. They're giving in

462
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Speaker 3: and they're gonna end up doing it. Even a cricket

463
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Speaker 3: doesn't seem happy, other cricket might be.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like there's been a little bit of itif.

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Speaker 3: There okay, so that comes to I think, which is

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Speaker 3: good to know they'll sort that out. But no, Look,

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Speaker 3: it was cold and they didn't kick well, everyone's conflating

468
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Speaker 3: those two things. But teams have kicked terribly in great conditions.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that game in Bunbury with North and

470
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Speaker 3: West Coast? Yes, that was perfect for footy and that

471
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Speaker 3: was the worst game of footy you'll ever see.

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Speaker 2: Is that because it was seventeenth v eighteen? Though, yeah,

473
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Speaker 2: sixteenth to an agree.

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Speaker 3: But you can also have pretty good teams kicking poorly

475
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Speaker 3: for goal. Melbourne has had a pretty good run while

476
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Speaker 3: kicking poorly for goal in most weeks. So I understand

477
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Speaker 3: people want to draw the connection, but I don't think

478
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Speaker 3: a roof would have really helped that too much anyway.

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Speaker 2: So what about for the spectators because we did say'd

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Speaker 2: be pleasant this time last week in our podcast when

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Speaker 2: Jack was sitting here, that this was the first ever

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Speaker 2: Friday night York Park game. Yes, and the conspiracy theory

483
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Speaker 2: going around was Hawthorne's only playing down there on Friday night.

484
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Speaker 2: So the AFL can remind people, look, you wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: wouldn't just love a roof.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I don't think they have had any day

487
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Speaker 3: games in Tasmania yet. It's only been twilight and night

488
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Speaker 3: games because they also had the Saturllay game against the

489
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Speaker 3: Giants and then North played Risbon on Sunday twilight, so

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Speaker 3: they are giving them the coldest conditions possible in the

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Speaker 3: middle of winter. So you can understand the conspiracy. But

492
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Speaker 3: the AFL has already said you have to do a

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Speaker 3: roof or else. And now Tasmania is going to an election,

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Speaker 3: not purely because of that, but partly because of that,

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Speaker 3: even though that's not going to change anything, it's just

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Speaker 3: going to delay the process. So yeah, look, it'd be nice,

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Speaker 3: but Tasmania would also be happy spending that money on

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Speaker 3: hospitals and schools and roads and whatnot. I imagine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen I've seen the tazzy vox pops down there.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, you're reading the fifty fifty.

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Speaker 2: Will Jamara hugil Hagen is a great redemption story in

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Speaker 2: the making, fair or.

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Speaker 4: Fast it was earlier to say in the making. I

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Speaker 4: guess he's in the progress of redevelopment, taking the good

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Speaker 4: first step at least, yes he has. I'm glad that

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Speaker 4: he was back at training. I think it would be

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Speaker 4: It would definitely be a fairy tale if he plays

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Speaker 4: fair retail fairy tale, not fast detail. If he plays

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Speaker 4: a fl.

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Speaker 3: It's good, that's good. I think if he plays a

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Speaker 3: fl against the Dogs, it would be. Ever ever, not

512
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Speaker 3: not just this year, even next year. You think it's unrealised,

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: I do, just for how removed on the outside I'm

515
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Speaker 4: speaking here, how how far removed he looked from the

516
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Speaker 4: club At one point. I do remember there was a

517
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Speaker 4: period where Luke Beveridge was really speaking and it was not.

518
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Speaker 4: The tone on Jamarro was noticeably different for a two

519
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Speaker 4: or three week period while he was away from the club.

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Speaker 4: So I think it would be a fairy tough he

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Speaker 4: plays in Dogs cars Ever again, I really hope he does,

522
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Speaker 4: because he was such a big Acquadison for the acquisition

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Speaker 4: for them, and I think a lot of people around

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Speaker 4: him at the club, both teammates and coaches and staff,

525
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Speaker 4: all invested a lot in him. So for him to

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Speaker 4: play at with Nova would be great, and it's good

527
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Speaker 4: to see him at training, But from what I under

528
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Speaker 4: sand VFL is probably another three or four weeks away

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Speaker 4: at minimum.

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Speaker 3: That seems to be what they are. Surely there is

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Speaker 3: some path where he trains well as he returns, he

532
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Speaker 3: gets at the VFL level and he plays really well

533
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Speaker 3: because he's a good player. And then the dogs are

534
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Speaker 3: in September and it's elimination final and they just need

535
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Speaker 3: a bit of help. And just like last year, they're

536
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Speaker 3: wondering about his status for an elimination final. Would you

537
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Speaker 3: at least not consider him well, you'd have to, You

538
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Speaker 3: have to if he'd done the work up to that point.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you're not just rushing him in for the

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Speaker 3: point of it.

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Speaker 2: Nick Del Sano did a really good breakdown of the

542
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Speaker 2: Jamara state of play on AFL tonight. He said, the

543
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Speaker 2: football from a football component perspective, is he physically able

544
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Speaker 2: to do what he's asked to do if he's had

545
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Speaker 2: that time off. You can only imagine he'd be underdone

546
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Speaker 2: if you try and rushing back, he'd be proner injuries

547
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Speaker 2: who actually need to manage his body? Does he know

548
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Speaker 2: the systems? Is he up to date with all the

549
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Speaker 2: meetings that they've had, all the little details. That's one component,

550
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Speaker 2: and then the second bit is the is the trust

551
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Speaker 2: he goes? Can you go to war with this guy

552
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Speaker 2: for two hours every weekend? From a playing group perspective?

553
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Speaker 2: Does Marcus Bontepelli trust what he's going to get from Jamara?

554
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Speaker 2: We're going to get the opinion now of Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: News AFL Tonight presenter and Tribunal correspondent David Skeatzia. Hello, David, Hello,

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Speaker 2: nice to see you four.

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Speaker 3: It's good to be with what is welcome? This is

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Speaker 3: the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 6: I'd like to apologize to the listen well, the listeners

560
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Speaker 6: they I think some of them have been asking for

561
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Speaker 6: me to not be on it. But you've got your

562
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Speaker 6: wish No, Well, it's just logistically you found it quite challenging.

563
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Speaker 6: So it's a soft breakup.

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Speaker 3: It's all right.

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Speaker 6: You can do like thirty days there's no contact and

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Speaker 6: we'll see how we go conscious uncoupling conscious unk.

567
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Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to one couple.

568
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Speaker 3: There's good will here.

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Speaker 6: I'll just try and pop in here and yes, good

570
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Speaker 6: for so, I'll pop in here and there.

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Speaker 5: But I don't want to derail what is You speak

572
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Speaker 5: very well.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes I don't think I give the podcast the amount

574
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Speaker 6: of time and consideration.

575
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Speaker 3: You are a busy man. You can effectively become the

576
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Speaker 3: Cramer of the podcast and just open the door and

577
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Speaker 3: walk in every now and then.

578
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Speaker 5: I watched Friends that sein felt.

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch that either, but that's the most contemporary

580
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Speaker 3: reference I could think of. I'm going to do like

581
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Speaker 3: Norm from Cheers, and I didn't.

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Speaker 5: I don't watch that one either. Is that Ted Dancing?

583
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Speaker 5: Is he in that one?

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Speaker 3: He was the bar man?

585
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Anyway, I'm miss speaking to you every Tuesday, and I'm

587
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Speaker 6: sorry I can't be in here as much as I

588
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Speaker 6: would like, But I hope it's going well.

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Speaker 2: Do you think if we do do a cameo because

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Speaker 2: we had Kinnies cameo, Haddo's cameo in the past, do

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Speaker 2: you think should should there be a segment when you

592
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Speaker 2: just walk in Kramer style?

593
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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We'll just we'll make cup of I don't know what

596
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Speaker 3: a sting would be of this.

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Speaker 5: Did we do someone going? Have you done Kevin or not?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: We're still fair or fast.

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Speaker 2: Pivot to Kevin.

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Speaker 5: She have many more fear of faces.

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Speaker 2: If we only just started far faster, I know we

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Speaker 2: can re order for you.

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Speaker 5: Little will cheer me up.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear from this.

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Speaker 3: Cheety, very exciting. I actually want to take you to

607
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Speaker 3: task a little bit, so I'm not complaining about what

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Speaker 3: you did with a story on the weekend apologized for,

609
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Speaker 3: but I think I want to talk about it publicly,

610
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Speaker 3: apologizing and just making sure that the people have read

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Speaker 3: it loved him even more.

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Speaker 5: I didn't. It wasn't my intention. I didn't really, I

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Speaker 5: didn't about the bond.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes you get stories wrong, and he very publicly apologized.

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Speaker 3: It's a very noble thing to do.

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Speaker 5: Well apparently quite rarely. I've since found out it was anyway.

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Speaker 3: And it was just I just wanted to make you

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Speaker 3: depressed a bit before we get to hate.

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Speaker 5: Seriously, it's very heavy.

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Speaker 3: Well, the good news this is about your favorite topic,

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Speaker 3: this segment of Pockets of Greatness.

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Speaker 5: Marcus Bons Cricket.

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Speaker 3: Correspond that's right, that's right. Well, I'm sure you'll be

624
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Speaker 3: doing that over the summer, a bit more of it.

625
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Speaker 3: I don't want to think VSV.

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Speaker 5: That would require me. I'm still being employed here, but

627
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you go there.

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Speaker 3: Max Kevin Sheedy says, while I'm having a grizzle, I

629
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Speaker 3: might as well say the government rule giving the MCG

630
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Speaker 3: six months football a year and six months cricket is

631
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Speaker 3: a disgrace, a bloody disgrace. It's just dumb. Simply put,

632
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Speaker 3: there shouldn't be any Sheffield Shield cricket on the MCG.

633
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Speaker 3: It prevents other sports from using the MCG for too long,

634
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Speaker 3: it bars profitable sport. I hit other codes of football

635
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Speaker 3: and Showtime ground for far too long. I don't know

636
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Speaker 3: what Showtime in quotes me. Taylor Swift capitalized.

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Speaker 5: He was ahead of his time. Taylor Swift perform.

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Speaker 3: She's alive in nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 5: Maybe just that's one of her albums, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety six? Is that that's what she's fourward quick

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift corresponding.

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Speaker 5: Here, we're good to nineteen eighty nine Great Grand Final?

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Speaker 3: How much just having a test cricket pitch out in

644
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Speaker 3: the center and that cost the mcg I wonder how

645
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 3: much doesn't a test pitch earn you. It's costing us

646
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Speaker 3: because the tap piss I just spoke badly. It's costing

647
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Speaker 3: us the taxpayers a lot of money. Work it at yourself,

648
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Speaker 3: compare the crowds. And then he goes on about that

649
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Speaker 3: for a while.

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Speaker 6: So not a fan of You're a cricket naffy. So

651
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Speaker 6: the Sheffield Shield fork, what do you make of Kevin's

652
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Speaker 6: Kevin's take on it?

653
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Speaker 4: They rarely play there these days anyway, I feel like

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Speaker 4: Kevin's actually got his wish a year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well Kevin Sheedy runs the Victorian state government.

656
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Speaker 3: You've heard it here first.

657
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's maybe one thing to take note of

658
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: when you go to Junction Oval and cover the Victorian

659
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 2: cricket team during the upcoming summer as well.

660
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, that's where they play.

661
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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to go now. But I enjoyed listening

662
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Speaker 5: to the podcast. Sorry, I actually we don't lie.

663
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Speaker 6: I enjoy walking. I enjoyed the walking past and seeing

664
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Speaker 6: you record the podcast. The very best to you and

665
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 6: your family. That was David Za joining us on the

666
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Speaker 6: Fox Footy podcast.

667
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Speaker 2: Let's get back into this and now on the fox foot.

668
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Speaker 3: Well we playing it again. Now we hang on. Let

669
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Speaker 3: does work? Yeah, okay, I played a bit of it.

670
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Speaker 3: There you go, keep going.

671
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Speaker 2: Had you finished on Jamara, did you have anything else

672
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Speaker 2: to say?

673
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Speaker 4: Well, now that we pivoted to Taylor, Swift actually wanted

674
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Speaker 4: to correct myself. It was actually nineteen eighty nine was

675
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 4: the tailor of the police, which don't don't ride in no, no,

676
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: don't write in fairy fairy tale was what we ended

677
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 4: on their excellent Max.

678
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: It's better to be down the very bottom of the

679
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 2: ladder rather than the messy middle fair or five, very

680
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: like a.

681
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: Boat, right, that's what we're talking about, f Doublay, That's

682
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 3: what we meant. This was Chris Scott's point that he

683
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: sort of dropped on three sixty on Monday night. That's

684
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 3: something I've espoused.

685
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: For a while.

686
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: I think it's good to know where you are and

687
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 3: where you're going and where you want to be, and

688
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: if you're in the middle, it's harder to be making

689
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: moves either way.

690
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: It came off the back of Ross Lines six sin

691
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: Kilda State of Play, but Chris made it clear that

692
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: he wasn't specifically talking about sin Kilda.

693
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: But Sekulda has very sort of purposefully done this, although

694
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: they're also trying to be competitive at the same time, so.

695
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 2: Kind of not narrative.

696
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: They knew. Ross knew when he got to the Saints

697
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: that they were mid table with a very old list

698
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: and a very expensive list, and that's not where you

699
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: want to be because it's pointless so that he's gotten

700
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: a lot younger, they've remained competitive while doing so, and

701
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: I think they'll probably finish you know, eleventh or twelfth

702
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: ish at best with this current list, which is you know,

703
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: maybe slightly overperforming, but about right. And that's the point.

704
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: It's that if you are mid table, you're not making

705
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: moves to making your next premiership team. It's a lot

706
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: harder to win a flag when you're draft and the

707
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: bottom half of the top ten, which gets blown out

708
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: to like twelve or thirteenth yep, every year, instead of

709
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: drafting in the top five, because's where the top talent

710
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 3: comes from. We know that. So for all those reasons,

711
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: I would prefer a team to take a dip Hawthorne

712
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: style and then charge back up then be languishing down

713
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 3: there forever it's a lot easier, even if it does

714
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: entail the risk of being very very bad for a while.

715
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: The Saints could have early picks again this year. But

716
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: ye're right, there's a lot of talk about the draft

717
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: at the moment and the very much compromised nature of it,

718
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: so that some Kilda picks could get blown out quite significantly.

719
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: The already is they could be doing a fair bit

720
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: of bidding about where they pick lands at the moment,

721
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: they could be doing quite a fair bit of bidding.

722
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: I think they've got some good prospects to the the

723
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: oh the bidding on the prospects the Gold Coast Brisbane.

724
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: They're the ones making those teams match.

725
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: Bits Swan's academy.

726
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: It also, you sometimes just got a time you run nicely,

727
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: Like they had two top ten picks last year. Did

728
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: they not in a very good draft?

729
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

730
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 3: You'd rather have that than this year for example. Yeah,

731
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: sometimes it just works out.

732
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: I think they've done well there. Fork West Coast and

733
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: Oscar Allen need to have a mature conversation and the

734
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: co captain should be put on ice until season's end,

735
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: no matter the severity of his latest injury.

736
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: Fair or fast, you've got something.

737
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: You've got some good ones for me today, Ben, That

738
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 4: is a real head scratcher. I think now that Oscar

739
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: is injured, call it a month he has off, right, Yep, naturally,

740
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 4: I think Oscar and the club almost certainly need to

741
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: decide what he's doing next year. There shouldn't be any

742
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 4: uncertainty left beyond that point. That's when I think it

743
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: gets messy and you start playing games. If they can

744
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: mutually agree that he wants to have a trade, you

745
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: just put him on ice. I think if he wants

746
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 4: to play at the club and he wants to be

747
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 4: there beyond the end of twenty twenty five played, I

748
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 4: know that sounds like as much.

749
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 3: The difficulty is he wants to be at the club,

750
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: but they're not giving him enough money, right. It seems

751
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: like they're offering him three to funny and offering him six.

752
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think there would be any uncertainty as

753
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 4: to like the officer is not going to change between

754
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: now and the next month.

755
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have thought from sure that's what he's holding

756
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: out for.

757
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 4: Either party, But like, yeah, there shouldn't be any uncertainty

758
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 4: by the time he's fit to play, So I can't

759
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: really answer that yet, but they just need to be

760
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 4: on the same page before the end of the season,

761
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 4: whereas normally you might wait until September the start of

762
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 4: October to realize like what year next year looks like.

763
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,719
Speaker 3: I think that fitness element is obviously why we're having

764
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: this conversation again. But the fact that he does seem

765
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: like he wants to stay if possible, if they can

766
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: come to the table with the money, it makes it

767
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: more complex because he wants to come back and prove

768
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 3: to them that he's a player worth investing in and like, yes,

769
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: they they can get picked two if he walks and

770
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: gets enough money for it. So it's very hard for

771
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: him to convince them of that. Yeah, but it seems

772
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: like he'd rather try than sit back and just let

773
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 3: the whole process play out.

774
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're Hawthorne, you're probably not throwing the

775
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: bag at him now, are you. Like you feel like

776
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: you're pretty set up. You got Mitch Lewis returning from injury.

777
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: I know.

778
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: Brisban's obviously the main one that's linked with the Oscar Brisbane.

779
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: It makes more sense almost because they've got a window

780
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 3: over the next two three years.

781
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: He's ready right now if he wants to play for

782
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: a club in the window.

783
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: And they've got their magic special wisdom of injury, fitness, health,

784
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: whatever they do up there the river from what's the

785
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: Brisbane River called? Is it called the Brisbane River?

786
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: Oh, it's by south Bank there, Brisbane.

787
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: Lovely, the story bridge goes over it.

788
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's right.

789
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 3: You know what, they dip their plays in and they

790
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 3: get healthy. However, it works out. So if he goes

791
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: up there, maybe it does extend his career and that

792
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: it works out for both sides. But yeah, it's going

793
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: to be hard for him to stay at West Coast

794
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: regardless of what happens, even if that's.

795
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: What he wants, because I think he even if if

796
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: it is a four week injury, I think he would

797
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: want to come out and play because he still feels

798
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: that sense of responsibility as the co captain. So he

799
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: wants to lead this this club through. But yeah, it's

800
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: it's very difficult to start West. But West Coast is

801
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 2: clearly for reading the tea LEAs and they'll never admit this,

802
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: admit this, but West Coast clearly values picked two in

803
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: this year's draft more than Oscar Allen going forward. As

804
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: brutal as that sounds.

805
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it's realistic, Like when are they going

806
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: to be good again? Two three years at the earliest,

807
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: So Oscar Allen in two three years or whatever pick

808
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: two has developed into in that time, Your odds are

809
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 3: you're getting a better player with pick two.

810
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: So Max Rosslines defense of sin Kilda's home crowd just

811
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: didn't stack up faar or fast.

812
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 3: That's fair, it didn't here. I totally understand the Thursday

813
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 3: night point that Thursday nights don't draw a great crowds

814
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: at times, and the current numbers, like the average crowd

815
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: has been skewed by the Richmond Carlton game in Round one,

816
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 3: for example. I think there was a Carlton Collingwood game

817
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: on a Thursday night as well. But twenty thousand at

818
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 3: Marvel was one of the lowest figures that the Dogs

819
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: and Saints have had for some time. It was five

820
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 3: thousand or maybe fifteen thousand less than the Bulldogs Hawks

821
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: game had a week prior. And the difference there is

822
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: Hawthorne for sin Kilda, so you can blame that on

823
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: Saint Kilda and understandable for Saints fans to not want

824
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: to make the track for a game that they saw

825
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 3: their team lose by ten goals eight weeks ago and

826
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: a cold night. Keep in mind it's cold and albo

827
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: at the moment. Hey we have a roof. Oh it's true.

828
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: It means it can't be cold mass.

829
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: I forgot to bring that up anecdotally though, when we've

830
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: had the bye rounds, and we have in previous years

831
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: when Thursday night footy wasn't necessarily every single week, a

832
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: lot of those Thursday night games I remember being in Sydney,

833
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: Adelaide and Perth. But there is more Thursday night games

834
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: naturally both throughout all the twenty four rounds this year

835
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: in Melbourne.

836
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they've had to fill in the gaps with

837
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: all those games that they wouldn't have put there otherwise.

838
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: Like that's why you get Esendon North was a Thursday

839
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 3: night game. I think I think North's got another one

840
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: coming up. They do very exciting, Yes, under the roof

841
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: at least so it won't be cold.

842
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: Last one fork Melbourne jumped at Shadows, handing Cozy Pickett

843
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: a nine year, twelve and a half million dollar deal.

844
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: Fair or fast?

845
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: Yeah?

846
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 4: Three from three today at BW did they jump at shadows.

847
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 4: No they didn't because it's a face. I think the

848
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: idea that they've locked in this amount of money. Cousey,

849
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: in my opinion, is worth that much money. Like he's

850
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: an absolute genuine superstar, like probably a top three player

851
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: this year across the competition.

852
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 3: That seems that seems high. You reckon that seems high.

853
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 3: I think he's got that maybe that ceiling, and he's

854
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: getting there. This is his best year, but I don't

855
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: think he's there yet.

856
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I've broaden that out the top five after

857
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 4: you've said that, but I think very very highly of him.

858
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 4: But the money is getting paid to Cosey. If he

859
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: stays to twenty twenty thirty four, you're paying for a

860
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 4: product that I think is absolutely worth it. And if

861
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 4: he leaves, that entire salary is going elsewhere. I believe

862
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 4: that was how the contract was structured. Is that if

863
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 4: someone's gonna take him, like if he goes back to

864
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 4: w A, is that they are going to be paying me.

865
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 4: Got some leverage, Yeah, yeah, and an interesting one as well.

866
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: I did hear this along with great Vine, But I

867
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: think Melbourne still believes that they have enough room for

868
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 4: Luke Jackson. If he chose to come back, it's a

869
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: free as to Melbourne at the end of the year.

870
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 5: Do you think it.

871
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: Do you think that's dead because that has cooled a

872
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: little bit.

873
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 4: I don't think it will happen. I wouldn't say it's dead,

874
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: but they believe that if Luke really wanted to come

875
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: back home to Melbourne that they would have they could

876
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: squeez him in.

877
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: That was just an interesting a bit. Yeah, so no,

878
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 3: not a face.

879
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 4: I think he's worth that much and I think it

880
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: speaks to a club who have so nearly lost Clary

881
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 4: somewhat by their own doing, very nearly would have lost

882
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: Petrarca if it wasn't for different circumstances and Cozy, and

883
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: they've managed to keep all three of them. Like, I

884
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: think that was a really big thing for them culturally,

885
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 4: just to keep him because I've had their struggles with Petraka,

886
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: they had their struggles with other this one they've nipped

887
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 4: in the bud for now and I don't think it

888
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 4: will mean that Cozy will never leave, but the security

889
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 4: that comes with him playing at Melbourne long term.

890
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: Is good and the salary of Simon Goodwin spoke to

891
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: the media on Friday, He said, the cozy picket contract

892
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: quote provides enormous stability for our list moving forward, and

893
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: we can make some really strong decisions around that deal.

894
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: So you've got the picket contract on top of Petrarca

895
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: and Oliver gone. To a certain extent, that's a lot

896
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: of cash in four players. How much of a risk

897
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: is that to have so much of your salary cap

898
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: invested in four players.

899
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: Massively, it's a massive risk.

900
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're going to turn into Cup, if

901
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 4: you're gonna put it into players, they're gonna be the

902
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: four guys at the Cup that you do it to.

903
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: Gornan's obviously on a lesser extent as you said, I mean, yeah,

904
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 4: I think they might struggle in a couple of years,

905
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 4: which is why I without knowing obviously the numbers. But

906
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 4: they've got guys like Harvey Langford, Zavier Lindsay and Trent

907
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: Rivers are all out of contract in twenty twenty seven yep,

908
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: which was the same year that Cosey was out of contract.

909
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 4: If I was Melbourne, there are three players I would

910
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: really want to invest heavily in. So it depends how

911
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 4: much of a crossover there is. I think Gorne might

912
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: end in twenty twenty six or twenty seven as well

913
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: his contract, but it depends how the longer he goes,

914
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: the harder it makes to sorry, the harder it is

915
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 4: for them to retain those types of players, because I think, yeah,

916
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 4: Clary and Petrarca are locked away to twenty nine and

917
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: twenty thirty respectively, So I think you know what you're

918
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: gonna get that they're locked away. That cash isn't moving obviously,

919
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: Shuman they start at the club. Whereas yet the retention

920
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 4: of those three players is quite important, and I reckon

921
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: they've got a couple jud mcv there's also one that's

922
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 4: out of contract.

923
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 2: Apparently he's close to re signing.

924
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, someone that like you can see them having

925
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 4: to or wanting to throw a feb bit of money

926
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: out in the future. Like as I've said before in

927
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: this podcast, I still think Melbourne has a really good

928
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: group of young core players. So yeah, they have they

929
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: have to be spart with their money otherwise they're going

930
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: to lose.

931
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 3: Some of them. They do have some impressive young players

932
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: and I think cause he's probably still underrated by the

933
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: wide of footy community. To that point and to your praise.

934
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: He's averaging eighteen point seven disposals and two point two goals,

935
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: so almost twenty and two. The last player to average

936
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: twenty disposals and two goals a game was Stevie j

937
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, which.

938
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: Is ridiculous, right, Like, yeah, I know he's not quite

939
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 4: the twenty disposal market, but very very very.

940
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: Close, and he's jumped up average like six extra disposals

941
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: a game, like he has taken the leap.

942
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 4: Into a greater he's been playing more midfield, like he

943
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 4: wasn't playing as much midfield in the first few weeks,

944
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: so he essentially would be I would say, averaging twenty

945
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: and two. Yeah, missing in the second half against Portela

946
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 4: in the weekend, but yeah, he's a massive X factor.

947
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 2: I just this a sicky bat. Steve Johnson in twenty

948
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: eleven had some absolutely monstrous games. I found him seven

949
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: goals three from twenty nine disposals against gold Coast, seven

950
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: goals from thirty four touches against Melbourne, and then six

951
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: goals from thirty one against gold Coast. I want to

952
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: say he's just a different era. I want to say

953
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: that Melbourne game was the infamous two hundred. It was

954
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: thirty three point game.

955
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 4: I believe he had something along the lines of twenty

956
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: seven score involvements that game. Nine goal assist spend, nine goalarsists.

957
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: It was ridiculous.

958
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 2: There's ten on AFL tables.

959
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: There you go.

960
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: Ten goals.

961
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, should have won a brown lines very close?

962
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: Did he poll three two?

963
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 5: Well?

964
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 3: Okay? Someone probably had seven hundred disposals.

965
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: Then Joel Sellwood had forty three dispose any goals one goal,

966
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: but he Moons had kicked five.

967
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: Come on, when the game was alive in the first

968
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: thirty seconds.

969
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: Four was very long. Had five hundred and ten disposals

970
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: to Melbourne two hundred and eighty two. We've been a

971
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: good super coach today, I reckon that is the end

972
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 2: of fear of Fats. We'll see if there's anything in

973
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: this on.

974
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: The Foxwoody podcast. It's time to open up the mailbag.

975
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel. Tweet us every Monday

976
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: morning at Fox Footy.

977
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: Now, look, listeners, look, this is this is our fault,

978
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 3: not yours. Where we've been inconsistent with doing shows and

979
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: we don't answer every question. So maybe there's been a

980
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: disincentivization to answer. Send questions into the mail bag on

981
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: a Monday morning on Twitter. So fair enough, but I

982
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: don't have any mail bag questions this week. Instead, I

983
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: want to talk about what I think is the craziest

984
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 3: and funniest story of the year, which came out today,

985
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: and it involves Warren Treadray.

986
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 2: Treaders, did you see this, guys, I've just I've seen.

987
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: I haven't done a deep dive, but I've seen. He's

988
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: trending today.

989
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: Yes, Port Adelaide Football Club board member. Keep that in mind.

990
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 3: He's somehow has told a court he has paid his

991
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: Channel nine with illegal IOU because Australia has no gold

992
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 3: or silver coins in circulation. Tread Ray has also claimed

993
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: in federal court documents that he is not an entity,

994
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: nor a legal person, citizen or resident, but a private

995
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: man who's yes, B yes and no B no. The

996
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 3: court has ordered Treadray to reimburse Nine's legal costs for

997
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: an appeal it's six figure sum. He sent them a

998
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 3: promise sorry note, which has a written promise by one

999
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: party to make a payment at a future date under

1000
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: the terms conditions outlined within it, and Treadray says because

1001
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: he sent the note to nine, but they did not

1002
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: return it, within seventy two hours, he doesn't owe them

1003
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 3: the debt, and he says that he cannot pay the

1004
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: debt because there are no gold or silver coins in

1005
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: circulation in Australia.

1006
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 2: That's some interesting court documents officially lodged.

1007
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: Or in treadray. Is I believe what you would call

1008
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 3: a sovereign citizen, who are people who believe that the

1009
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 3: laws of Australia do not apply to them and believe

1010
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 3: that you will often say if you see a really

1011
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: weird license plate, sometimes it says like private citizen and

1012
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of small text about how I'm just

1013
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: going about my business but the laws don't affect me

1014
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: because I'm sovereign that I believe. That's happened. So very American.

1015
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: Interesting stuff from a member of the Port Adelaide board.

1016
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: I just found that story interesting.

1017
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: And that's the end of the mailbag on the Fox

1018
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Footy podcast. Let's get into the tips and cups for

1019
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: another by weekend. Just on that question that I raised

1020
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: off the top, is there a solution because it does

1021
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: feel like the season has lost a little bit of

1022
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: momentum with the prolonged by period at the point there

1023
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 2: where we just need everyone just has a weekend off

1024
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: on the same weekend or does that or is that

1025
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: just killing the golden it'd be.

1026
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: Nice from a footy industry perspective, of course everyone can

1027
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: take the week off. Yeah, but that's not going to happen.

1028
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: No.

1029
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 4: The AFL introduced the sixty six to six for all

1030
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: a few years ago on field, and I think it

1031
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: would be perfectly fitting if they did it also during

1032
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: the bye week six six six three rounds.

1033
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: You don't need more than that. Isn't that what we

1034
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: did for ages? We spoke about the other I know

1035
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 3: why they took it away that they have round It

1036
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: must be that by spreading out the buyers as much

1037
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 3: as possible, you keep as much content on the screens

1038
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: as possible. You're having seven to eight game rounds, keeps

1039
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: the broadcast as happy. That's what it has to be.

1040
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 4: There's not a doubt in my mind as to That's

1041
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 4: why the two by around that. I think it was

1042
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 4: St Kildren and Free I had that threw me off.

1043
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 4: I didn't like that, which obviously you can't have four

1044
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 4: rounds of buyers without well.

1045
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: You know, you'd have just different numbers of teams going

1046
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: off on buy you can do, you can do whatever

1047
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 3: you want. You'd have seventeen? Actually, could you have seventeen? No,

1048
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: you could have seventeen. Don't be stupid next, So would

1049
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: you go.

1050
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: Back to six sixty six?

1051
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 3: I think that's preferable or to the idea. I think

1052
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: we briefly discussed it last week about having a Northern round.

1053
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 3: Half the teams play games and have like the opening

1054
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: round games in the middle of the season, and then

1055
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 3: the other half play in the other week. That was okay,

1056
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 3: but I also don't think that. I think the momentum

1057
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: of the season always disappears a little bit.

1058
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: Does it feel like it's been holded more this year?

1059
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 3: I mean that that's just we're feeling it now, so

1060
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: we don't remember how it felt before, so we don't know.

1061
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with the umpirings. Everyone always thinks

1062
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: the umpire isn't worse than it's ever been because they

1063
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: don't remember how badly they felt about it last year

1064
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: and the year before that.

1065
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: Have you noticed so that the umpiring talk ground umpiring

1066
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: has somewhat died down since an Zac Day, though.

1067
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: It's almost like it's like a narrative that pops up

1068
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 3: for a few weeks and then goes away because it's

1069
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 3: a persistent problem and not the one that gets aggravated.

1070
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Let's get excited about Thursday night football, Freemantle and Essenon

1071
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 2: for the Kepler Bradley co.

1072
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: Yes, you said get excited about football.

1073
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: Kepler Bradley.

1074
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 4: Then you said Essendon, have you heard that Barbara Streissan remix?

1075
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 4: But instead of saying Barbara Streiss and it's just kepler.

1076
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: By, maybe that we can get Kath Dirkin to voice.

1077
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 3: She doesn't just get around legal copyright by being a

1078
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: voiceover woman. That's not how it works in Tredd might

1079
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 3: have told you that, but that's not how the law works.

1080
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: But worrying if he's listening, he's got things to do.

1081
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: Freemantle, Doggers, Fred, Geelong and Brisbane for them the I cockertoo.

1082
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: Cuff fantastic Geelong in Geelong, I wouldn't be surprised if

1083
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,479
Speaker 3: something weird happens in Brisbane plays up to the level

1084
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: of their opponents, as they've been known to do.

1085
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 4: Yes, Geelong and I look forward to seeing the twenty

1086
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 4: two year first and our blog cell headline.

1087
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: Oh What's what Lions seeking? Twenty two year first by

1088
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: winning very.

1089
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: Good Carlton and North Melbourne a Fox pretty exclusive game

1090
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: for the digby Morell Cauff.

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Speaker 3: We've got to Fox for the exclusives on this we

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00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: do on Super Saturday and live wonderful Super Saturday that

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00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: we love so deally. Yes, Carleton Carton have won the

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00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: last five games against North and they make it six.

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00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: This is the second time this year that Carlton has

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00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: played West Coast and North and back to back weeks

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00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 3: just on very does that work?

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Speaker 2: Surely that is not on North. The only game that

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00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 2: they flopped in according to Alistair Clarkson was the last

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Speaker 2: time these two sides mesod Friday.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it good Friday?

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Speaker 2: Besides that, they you know, came away one on one

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00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: from their Perth experience or Western Australia experience. Much improved

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Speaker 2: season from the Kangaroos.

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00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: That as their percentage says, they are the best team

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00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 3: of the bottom three. Doesn't mean they're good, but they're

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00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: the best team at the bottom three. So they could

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Speaker 3: win this if Carleton does Carlton things. If Carlton doesn't

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00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: lead by three goals plus at quarter time, you know

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Speaker 3: they're in trouble because you know they'll fall off after.

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00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 2: That, Port Adelaide and Sydney for the Campbell Heath Cup.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys think that like last week, there were

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00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: two tough games to tip last week and this is

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Speaker 3: one of them because Sydney is better than they look

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00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 3: because of the potential ends. Yes, so that makes it tougher.

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00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: So the word from our Fox Sports News correspondents Luke

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00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: Dowerty up in Sydney today at training it sounds like

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00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 2: Callum Mills was very optimistic that some of their stars

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00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 2: will play propably and Gordon weren't doing much at Swan's training,

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Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily a sign of their availability for

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Speaker 2: this weekend. They train while the squad was given time

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Speaker 2: off over the bye, so it could be a load

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Speaker 2: management thing.

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Speaker 3: Still going to lean Port at home again, but a

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00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty game almost. Port Of won nine of

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Speaker 3: the last ten, and that one loss that had was

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00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: that prillion final last year in the SCG.

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Speaker 2: As input nine of US ten to the Swamps.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they beat them at the SDG earlier this year.

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00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 3: They did another rematch way too early in the season.

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00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 3: I know it doesn't matter, but no one likes it.

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00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 4: No, there's still there'd be so many teams that haven't

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00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 4: played each other yet. Still, yeah, well that was round fifteen.

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00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: It has to be.

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00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: Port I think, but those potential inclusions will make things

1136
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 4: very very interesting.

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00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: That was the Port Adlaide Sydney game. Was when Alier

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00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: earlier had that confrontation with that young fans.

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00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: Yes, it feels ever again Sydney had a million chances

1140
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: of the fourth quarter and couldn't get over the.

1141
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: Lines and expected score. Game. Maybe Collingwood and St Kilda

1142
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 2: for the Mark McGough Cup.

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00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 3: Yes, but not an Antec day. That's when the medal

1144
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: is set back handed out Collingwood, Collingwood.

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00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: Giants and Gold Coast for the Anthony Miles Cup. It

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00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: frustrates me that there's no pure Giants Sons Cup participants.

1147
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: Or three team three team players, isn't it?

1148
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? Jack hompsh and Job and Jacob Town's end.

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00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 3: Jonathan Giles, Gold Coast, No, he was at four.

1150
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: He was at Port Adelaide, Essendon Giants, West Coast?

1151
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 3: Was it him and Tom Hickey who did the four

1152
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: different states for four different.

1153
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: Teams and the epitome of a journeyman?

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00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 3: Where's the Rockmurry go around? That'll come up? In the

1155
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: trade period. This is the Expansion Cup.

1156
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: Said, maybe the best or the most significant Expansion Cup ever.

1157
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: I think I I might have reached. I think it

1158
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: fairly is they are both of these teams feel like

1159
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: they should play finals, right and for the first time ever.

1160
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 3: The Sons I think are probably the better team for

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00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: the first time and basically since GWS's inception, they should

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00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: win this. I'm going to tip the Suns also because

1163
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: clearly I hate the Giants and need them to lose

1164
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: for expected scoring proven corrects. But you know, Sons Giants,

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00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 3: I can't look past history, Max. They do always beat them.

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00:49:57,640 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 4: Gold Coast have lost thirteen at the last fourteen game

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00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: against WS that dates back to twenty fifteen in the

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Speaker 4: Inspection Cup. Have never won an Enjye Stadium.

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00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 3: Their one win was by one point. It was in

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Speaker 3: ballarats twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Is there a world in which the Giants and the

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00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 2: Suns finish sixth and seventh play each other in elimination final?

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00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: World?

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00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: But do you want that People First stadium? Would rather stadium? Well,

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00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 3: the atmosphere at People First I think actually would be better.

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00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: To be honest, They've got them GWS's numbers like crowd numbers,

1178
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 3: membership numbers. They are effectively about as big as the

1179
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 3: lesser Victorian teams now in terms of like sponsorship dollars

1180
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 3: they bring in and stuff. They are like they're still

1181
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 3: getting a heap of a for funding, but they're not

1182
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: like a drag like everyone seems to think they are.

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00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 3: They're doing okay. Yeah, and plus all the off field

1184
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: stuff about ods kickers.

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Speaker 2: I want yeah, I do want to have what the

1186
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: crowd reception will be like on an early Sunday game. Yeah,

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00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: we normally prefer the Saturday stuff.

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00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 3: I think the Giants Mirka over would have finally ever

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00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: get played. There is there really a need for it

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00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 3: could be funny? I mean yes, it would be funny.

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00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 3: That's what matters.

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00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: Finals comes to Canberra and then Western Bulldogs and Richmond

1193
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: round out the round with the Patrick Bowden Cup.

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00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: The only thing that he is stopping from instantly tipping

1195
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs is that I mean, like, I'm definitely going

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00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 3: to tip them, but this feels like the ultimate oh god,

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00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 3: how did the Bulldogs lose that? That's going to cost

1198
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 3: them a top eight spot game, doesn't it?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 3: The random ringin is West Coast a couple of years

1201
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: ago there was a Hawthorne one, but maybe the year

1202
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 3: before that. They always do something stupid. Yeah, have we

1203
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: seen it of them being stupid? No, that's the thing.

1204
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 3: They haven't been stupid against against bad teams. They've been

1205
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: they've been thrashing them by ten yearls. You don't think

1206
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 3: they've matched out yet on their stupidity. They're due for something. Okay,

1207
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: they do for something very stupid. Watch out. Everybody is

1208
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 3: going to do something stupid. Is not a Simpsons gag

1209
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 3: at some point J Simpson, I think that was Leny

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00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: and Carl watching.

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Speaker 4: I'm aware of time. Why do we have a one

1212
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 4: ten in a three to twenty game? Is there any

1213
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 4: rush now for that? Like because it bounce all the broadcasters?

1214
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: It would be that seven wants the three to twenty

1215
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: game to show it, and then we had probably discussions

1216
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 3: on when we would play the other game. But we

1217
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,839
Speaker 3: want to put Bounce on at six because everyone loves Bounce. Okay,

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Speaker 3: the Lovely Show.

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00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: There's something around turnaround times between.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean it's that or you're putting. You're

1221
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: either putting this game Sunday night for Giants Suns isn't

1222
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: going to work. No, and you can't put it early.

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00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 3: You could put it at twelve thirty. I don't know

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Speaker 3: why we didn't do it at twelve thirty, to be honest,

1225
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: then you wouldn't.

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00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: Have had I've seen the programming schedule and Dogs Richmond

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Speaker 2: will start on five oh three and then we'll eventually

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00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: go into five oh four like a bar back quarter

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Speaker 2: a time. Yeah, so this should be a twelve.

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00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 3: The twelve thirty start on Sunday should be every round.

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00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 3: I think I love that time slot. It works really

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Speaker 3: nicely for TV. It would work really nicely here. But

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Speaker 3: you know, our employers are great, so employers Fox Footy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that is the end of the Fox Footy podcast.

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