WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 27 January 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.800 Lately the general man, welcome to the late Base. 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:09.200 It's great to have your company. Thanks for joining us. 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.080 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:16.040 up tonight. Huge crowds q at Sydney's Botanic Gardens to 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.479 get the smell of a new plant, not because of 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.639 its fragrancy, but because it's quite putrid. We'll show you 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.840 that a little later. Plus, when we look at what's 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.200 making news tomorrow, the Courier Mail have an exclusive story 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:32.640 about gender clinics prescribing puberty blockers for children without parental consent. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:35.960 That's a huge scandal brewing there. Will bring you that. 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.040 Plus The Australian has a story about the Prime Minister 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.559 of Fiji saying that Australia should not be blamed for 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:45.720 climate change. All of that when we get to tomorrow's news. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.960 But I want to start by posing a question. Should 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.920 clubs that exclude members of the opposite sex be allowed 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.760 to operate in twenty twenty five or are they a 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.200 relic of a bygone past that should be banned. That's 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.880 a question being asked in Victoria at the moment after 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.320 a woman was denied membership of the Sandringham Club. That's 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.920 a club on Melbourne's Bayside. The club was established in 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.440 nineteen twelve and it features an array of sporting facilities. 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:16.640 We might be able to show you some of those. 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:21.920 They've got tennis courts, bowling greens, cricket pitchers and golf courses. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.959 And while membership is open only to men, their families 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.480 are allowed to join them on site. That, however, was 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:31.920 not good enough for one Melbourne woman, who, after being 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:37.800 denied membership, now insists these clubs should be banned. The problem, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.959 of course, is they're perfectly legal, as was pointed out 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:46.840 by Monash University professor Dominic Allen. Professor Allen said it's 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:50.600 unlawful to discriminate on the basis of sex under Victoria's 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:54.480 anti discrimination laws in the provision of goods and services, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.920 but there's an exception in the legislation which means clubs 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.160 can exclude members of the opposite sex from membership if 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:06.960 membership of that club is only available to one sex. Now, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.320 interestingly enough, there are thirty clubs or around that number 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:15.200 in Australia that offer membership only to one sex, and 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:21.119 they include Sydney, Melbourne's Alexandra Club and Sydney's Lyceum Club, 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.440 both of which are open only to women. Curiously enough, 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.560 no one is asking for those clubs to be shut down. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.160 Victorian's Women's Minister, Natalie Hitchins, she got involved in this 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:36.080 debate and she said that clubs like the Sandringham Club, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.160 which is for men only, have no place in twenty 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.000 twenty five. A relic from the past, she said, which 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.480 always makes me curious when people think that by quoting 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:47.560 the date they're making an argument, the fact that it's 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.880 twenty twenty five has no bearing on whether something is 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.679 moral or immoral. In fact, that's based on the rather 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.040 modern conceit that somehow, because we're alive today, we are 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:02.040 automatically more morally evolved than say, our grandparents, which isn't 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.359 always the case and probably not the case in Natalie 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.560 Hutchins instance. Here she is the women's Minister can't even 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:10.840 define what a woman. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:15.840 Is because the quality is not negotiable here in Victoria's speaker, 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:19.959 and the rights of trans Victorians is not negotiable here 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.480 in Victoria. As Minister for Women, I proudly stand up 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.360 for all women, that includes trans women. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.640 So a women's Minister Caleb, who proudly stands for all 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:35.120 women that includes men who identify as women, should probably 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.600 just sit this debate out as to whether sex exclusive 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.040 clubs should or should not exist in twenty twenty five. 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:42.080 Yeah, that is true. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.480 Counterpoint though, is that if she believes that men should 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:48.080 be allowed into women's clubs, perhaps she also has a 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.120 point saying that women should be allowed in the men's clubs, 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.880 by which I mean the men being allowed at the 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.920 women's clubs as those claiming they are women. But you 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.400 pointed out before the Alexandra Club and the Lyceum Club, 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.560 and there's a Lyceum Club in Sydney. There's also a 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.760 Lyceum Club in Melbourne which is right next door to 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.720 the Melbourne Club, right, so you know a couple can 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:08.760 walk up and the man goes in that door and 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.360 the woman goes in that door. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.320 I don't see what the problem is here. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.360 And this woman who tried to sign up to the 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.880 Sandringham Club, I mean, how dopey do you have to 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:18.560 be as a woman to try and sign up to 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.280 a men's only club and then get outrage that they 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.320 didn't accept. 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.240 Your membership application. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:26.480 If you go on the Sandringham Club's website and click 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.080 on the about section. The first thing it says Sandringham 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.600 Club is a private men's sporting club, so she must 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.640 she should have known that when she went to a plan. 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.080 Oh. I can't believe they didn't let me in. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.680 I mean, if we can't have men's only spaces, I've 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.160 never heard of anyone say that we can't have women's 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:47.240 only spaces. Apart from transgender activists of course, but no 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.440 one ever says that we can't have the Alexandra Club, 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.600 or we can't have the Lyceum Club. It's always we 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.760 can't have the Adelaide Club, we can't have the Melbourne Club, 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.640 et cetera, et cetera, because it's all when men go 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:00.799 and do things on. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.159 Their own that is bad. We must let women in there. Well, 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:05.239 it's up to the club. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.800 If the membership of the club says they want to 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.800 let women in, that is their prerogative. If they don't 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.559 want to let women in, that is their prerogative. Why 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:17.279 as a man can I not have a space where 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.040 I can go and hang out with other men without 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.760 being bothered by women. I don't see what the problem is, 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:24.680 and I don't see why women can't do the same thing. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.800 It's a quality of the story for all men's clubs 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:30.680 is just ban women entirely. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.200 Look what happened. You gave them an inch this lady 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.360 once a mile. Just ban them entirely. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:41.440 Make it an exclusively only men's club, because I swear 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.119 for women like this. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:44.839 Can't believe this makes the news. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:47.760 One person finds something offensive these days, and oh it's 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.839 front page news and let's write a whole article on it. Meanwhile, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.800 it's just nothing from nobody from nowhere, being like, oh 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:57.320 I found this offensive, and I'm just I just want 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.240 everyone to know. If we just ignore these people, all 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:04.080 these problems wouldn't exist. But okay, it's happened. So and 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.719 so is upset. What do we do about it? I 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:09.760 just reckon ban them entirely, because what a lot of 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.240 women like this find far more offensive than a men's 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:16.040 only space is those spaces. 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.800 In which they can access, just like. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:22.120 The Australian Club, as long as they are accompanied by 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.560 a man. A man has to get you in the door, 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:30.960 and for certain women that is very triggering, which speaks 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.479 to the fact that you don't have any man to 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.599 get you in the door. Do you, because you're the 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.640 exact kind of women that has driven men to make 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.880 men's only spaces in the first place. So look, I 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.000 think that is the moral of the story. These men's 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.640 clubs need to go, oh, we've upset you. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.920 Let's double down. 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:54.159 From now on, No women, under any circumstances can cross 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.239 this hallowed ground. And I think society as a whole, 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.880 whether it's women's spaces or men's only space, need to 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:01.760 double down on this. 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.719 I think we should have way more of them. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.880 Because in today's society where they are deriding everything feminine, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:15.440 everything exclusively female, and likewise for masculine everything, trying to 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.480 convince us it's all just a spectrum. We're all, they them, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.200 It's just a hodgepodge of whatever, and you can switch 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:24.640 depending on however you feel like it, and we're all. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:31.640 Equality isn't sameness, period, Tattoo that on your forehead. Equality 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.800 isn't sameness. Men and women will never be equal in 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:37.000 the sense of sameness. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.720 That is what they're trying to achieve. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:43.800 So anything like single sex spaces, which highlights our differences. 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.840 Women love to get together and be women and talk 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.920 about all the women and stuff that would make the 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.960 men be like, oh dear God, why. 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.720 And likewise I love it. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.119 It's a celebration of masculinity to just be like, here's 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.000 where we smoke our cigars, we talk about manly things, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.040 we play the sports, we do, all the stuff that 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.080 women aren't remotely interested in. I think we need more 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.720 of them, because it thumbs. They flips the bird to 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.640 this lefty Marxist idea. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:13.120 Of all, no, we're all the same, and so what 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.400 do you say to the counterpoint? There was one university 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:17.760 professor who said the problem with these men's clubs is 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.559 that men sit down and they talk business my bed 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.760 and they make deals, but the women aren't there. So 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:29.800 women are excluded from you know, corporate Australia. Because these exclude. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.400 Why would these women agree with you us? I think 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.880 about why would these women want to do business? Why 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.080 would they want to be in the room doing business 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.200 with men who would obviously rather do business with other men, 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:42.320 not women. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.040 Like if if you've got a pile of men who 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:46.679 are like, we'd rather do business with. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.360 Men, we choose to hang out at a men's only 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.600 club and conduct our business here, what kind of stupid 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.760 half wit woman is going to be like, well, I. 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:59.640 Want their business and I want a seat at the table. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.920 It's like, you are exactly the kind of women men 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.199 don't want to work with, and you're damaging our cause. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:08.040 Get out. 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:09.800 And if you're going to have a business meeting at 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.080 a men's club like the Melbourne Club or the Adelaide Club, 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.640 et cetera, and it pertains to a deal that would 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.040 involve a business woman, you can invite her into the 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.760 club for the meeting. So there's no reason she can't 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.760 go to business meetings. Just like if the CEO of 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:27.439 Quantis these days is a woman. I mean, what if 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.839 she goes down to the Lyceum Club in Melbourne and 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.480 starts doing business deals in there with other women? 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.160 Why can't I get it on that? 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.200 Oh, she could just invite a man in if he 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.240 had to go to the meeting for heaven say, and 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:42.960 Mac showed you before Natalie Hutchins, the Minister for Women 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.960 in Victoria, she doesn't know what a woman is. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.120 I'll tell you who else does know what a woman is. 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.800 The police in the UK, in fact, probably the police everywhere, 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:52.440 but the police in the UK have been dumb enough 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.760 to actually write it down and put out a Handbook 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.800 to all the coppers the plods over there, saying this 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.719 is how you must now speak about everything, and they 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:03.680 go into all sorts of nonsense about you know, there's 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.720 no such thing as there being only two genders. Gender 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.360 is a social construct. There's much more than male and female, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.480 et cetera. But it gets even worse. You can no 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.720 longer say if you are a Bobby in the UK. 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:21.400 You can't say black sheep. You can't say blacklisted. You 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.520 can't say something's got a black mark on it, because 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:29.680 it suggests that black is bad, and therefore that is racist. 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:31.560 This is directly out of the handbook. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.040 It's is don't say any expression that uses black in 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:39.400 a negative way, for example, black sheep, blacklisted, or black mark. Now, 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:43.880 as far as I'm aware, there's no racial connotation to 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:44.520 the use of. 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.640 Black in that circumstance. It refers to death, etc. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.680 Which comes to all of us regardless of race. So 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.000 I don't really see what the issue is. There. Can't 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:57.679 call depression the black dog anymore. In fact, black dogs 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.360 all have to be killed now because it is racist to. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.320 Even acknowledge that they exist. I mean black cats. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.760 Remember, you can't have a black cat walk under a 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:08.040 ladder because it's bad luck. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.520 We're going to kill all the black cats now work. No, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.960 don't you dare do that, because that's discriminatory against the 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.160 short blacks as well. That you could also order one 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:18.760 of those if you go into a cabe. 0:11:19.120 --> 0:11:22.160 The handbook goes on, well, many people who are pregnant 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.679 or have given birth identify as women. There are some 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.320 non binary, trans and intersects. People who do not identify 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.240 as women, and who may be. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.120 Pregnant and give birth. 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.160 Try to use gender neutral language such as pregnant person 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:42.280 or expectant parent where possible. And then it gives possibly 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.760 the most common sense thing in this entire thing. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.520 Never ask someone if they are pregnant. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.719 I'm not quite sure how that relates to the paragraph 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:50.120 before it. 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:52.120 I thought that was just common sense. 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:54.160 If you don't want to get yourself in trouble with 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.640 a woman who's put on a few kilos, don't ask 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:57.080 her if. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:58.520 She is pregnant. The thing goes on. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:02.080 It says some there's a difference between non racist and 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.640 anti racist, and the police, for some reason or another, 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.240 need to acquaint themselves with the definition of those two terms. 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.920 It talks about white frigility, which is apparently when white 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:15.160 people don't want to hear that racism exists. I would 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.880 have thought suggesting that that was exclusive to white people 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.920 is in and of itself racist. It says don't generalize 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:26.320 about people. For instance, as an example, saying that older 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.640 people are boring and grumpy, or that women in their 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.880 fifties are men a pausal. I'm not entirely sure what 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:34.680 that has to do with policing. I didn't know the 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:38.080 coppers were walking around sizing up fifty year old She 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:41.120 did that because she's mean a pausal. It also says 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.080 not to refer to mature adults, because that would be 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:49.640 to suggest that a younger person couldn't be mature. 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.280 But of course you would use maturer adults where you. 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.920 Didn't want to call someone old because you thought that 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:57.320 might be offensive. So the long and short of it is, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.560 there's nothing you can say anymore if you're a policeman 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:03.480 in Britain, I mean police person or police stay then. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:05.360 And also, for the long and short of it, I 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.440 found you are very good, very good, But. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.160 I mean this is utterly absurd. I mean, imagine you've 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.640 signed up to be a copper and you thought, okay, 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.000 I'm going to stop some crimes, and then they lobb 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.320 this handbook in front of you, telling you you can't 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.400 say that someone's got a black mark on them because 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:20.000 it's racist. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:21.960 The bad news is there's a lot of knife crime 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.400 in the UK. The good news, though it's hurty, words 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.079 are not in use anymore. I would have thought police 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.360 have a lot more important things to do. But this 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.280 advice caleberin Liz, I would have thought is racist in 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.760 and of itself because it implies that black people are stupid, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:40.200 in that black people can't differentiate between a racial slur 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.920 and a perfectly innocuous mark such as this person has 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:48.080 been blacklisted. It implies that black people are emotionally fragile, 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.320 that they're going to get triggered at the first word 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.680 that implies anything about them, and that they're easily offended. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.080 And it's also racist because no one's banning things like 0:13:56.160 --> 0:14:00.440 whitewashing or white board those things about we know the 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:03.520 difference between a racial slur and that because we're white, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.960 the inference being we're more intelligent, and of course worse 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.840 than being insulting to black people, it's just downright dangerous. 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.720 The UK is in the middle right now of trying 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:17.119 to unpick this grooming gang scandal where Muslim men predominantly 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:21.280 from Pakistan, over a period of a decade, raped thousands 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.040 and thousands of young girls and it was allowed to 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.440 happen primarily because police and government officials were so afraid 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.280 of offending people of a different race that they talked 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.640 in vagaries about these crimes rather than got specific about 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:37.720 them and the rest of the perpetrators. So this is 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.640 the last sort of advice that police in the UK 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:42.359 should be worrying about. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.800 And certainly should make it into the news. Right now, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.800 the UK is a tinder box when it comes to 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:53.320 racial tension. They've had one too many terrorist attacks and yes, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.000 the latest being these Pakistani grooming gangs, where it has 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.520 been shown that people that the community is told to trust, 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.280 these very policemen, care more about being accused of racism 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:12.160 than protecting vulnerable British natives in their country girls from 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:16.040 these Pakistani grooming gangs. This is, like I say, worse 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.840 than tone deaf. If I was in the UK, I 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.360 think this might be my dipping point because the fact 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.280 that they are still paying attention to this, putting this 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.760 out in their guidelines, pouring over their handbooks, does my 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.160 head in You guys have far worse problems. Do your 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.680 jobs for crying out loud. But as a wider issue, 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.280 what really boils my brains about issues like this is. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.800 The same people who laugh. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.920 At measures like this and just be like, this is 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:47.840 so ridiculous, I pose it are the same people who 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:51.760 do advocate for hate speech laws if and when it 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:56.440 suits them. You can't have it both ways. If you 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:01.880 are going to concede worse, legislate that words are hurty, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.800 some of them too hurty to be used, some of 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.600 them must be eradicated all together, then you are going 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.680 to end up with this because once you have ceeded 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.160 that ground, you have ceded that ground to people who 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.080 are then in charge of deciding which words are hurty, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:23.080 which words are classified as hate speech, and therefore can 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:28.640 be wiped off the entire societies lexicon. So just remember 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:30.160 next time you're like, yes. 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.360 Well, actually I think it should be illegal to say 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:33.480 this or this. 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:37.040 Because cancel culture is siding with your opinion on one 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:41.080 very rare day. If you're a conservative, then just remember 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.240 you're seeding ground to that very same side. 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.400 Who are like well, marvelous hate speech laws. This is bad, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:48.360 this is banned. 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:53.880 But speaking of institutionalized hate speech laws and banning this 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.120 and we kind of information all, especially on the socials, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.880 Guess what the EU have done. I know you're not 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.520 not expecting anything good to come out of that parliament 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:03.400 anytime soon. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:05.359 No one's holding their breath. 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:09.119 But goodness me, they have doubled down on laws that 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.200 were introduced last year. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.440 It's called the Digital Services Act. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.520 Came into force last year and it's only twenty twenty five, 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.720 but they've already decided to make it worse. Here are 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.200 there renewed guidelines under this revised code that they've come 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.560 up with regarding who can post what on social media 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:35.199 platforms and how they are to be censored under the 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:39.760 revised code. Companies these are the platforms like X like 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.280 Meta that are signed up must allow a network of 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:50.960 monitoring reporters that are nonprofit or public entities with expertise 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.800 on illegal hate speech. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.919 Is that opposed to legal legal speech. 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:02.240 Even legal guys, to regularly monitor how the signatrees these 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.960 platforms are reviewing hate speech notices. They will have to 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:11.080 review at least two thirds of h speech notices. Received 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:16.479 from monitoring reporters within twenty four hours. No, there's no 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:21.159 speaking to the magnitude within twenty four hours. Any platform 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:26.159 could receive one thousand, five thousand, one hundred thousand, and 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:30.479 they're expected to address over two thirds of those within 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.159 twenty four hours. And now the EU has ensured that 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:38.639 this process is being monitored. So any platforms that have 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.480 signed up to this, and they all have by the way, 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.840 they're forced to if they want their platforms to be 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.800 operational in Europe. So they all have X meta, you 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.440 name it. They've signed up. They want to be operational 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:57.240 across Europe. Now the EUS like, ea, EA, you signed 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:57.639 up on it. 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.679 We don't trust you. Now we've got these extra layer. 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.040 To ensure that not only are you doing it, but 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.959 you're doing it in a timely fashion. And to us, 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.399 timely fashion is addressing two thirds of any number of 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:13.080 complaints within the last twenty four hours. It is utterly 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:17.600 ludicrous and it's just bald place censuship. I mean, this 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.720 is not just hate speech. This is anything that they 0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.600 deem disinformation. 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.880 Don't we love that word. It just keeps popping up. 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.760 So one of these not for profits that will be 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.120 monitoring our tweets for disinformation is Amnesty International. So they 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:35.040 have been nominated by the EU to go through our 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.640 Twitter feeds and make sure it's all you know, true 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.160 and correct. This is an organization that tweeted in twenty 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.880 twenty two that abortion is a human right. Amnesty International 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:46.400 can tweet that, so you get no idea of maybe 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:47.800 their bias. When reading your. 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.920 I can tell you a lot more about a speech. 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.240 In twenty twenty three, they tweeted non binary rights human rights. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.920 I would have thought non binary people have human rights. 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.800 It's a bit of a nonsense. And in last year, 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.680 in April ten, Amnesty International made a big deal about 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:08.240 a terrorist leader responsible for the death of an Israeli 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:12.000 nineteen year old who was abducted, held for ransom, then 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.400 when he wasn't ransomed by the Israeli government, he was tortured, 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.840 sexually assaulted, he was castrated, his eyes were gouged out. 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:22.840 Then he was shot dead and the terrorist leader who 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.120 was responsible for that died in an Israeli prison. An 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.960 Amnesty International called that an example of Israeli cruelty that 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:31.800 they allowed this man to die in prison. And this 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.000 is the organization at the EU. They're so concerned about 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.879 this information, they've put Amnesty International as one of the 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:42.520 key umpires of people's social media posts. Who will Amnesty 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.639 International answer to and how will they define aid speak 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.760 subs information according to their worldview, which, as you can see, 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:52.399 is i'd say pretty different to ours and most of 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:53.320 the people watching tonight. 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:55.400 Well, well, if it's up to Amnesty International, I mean, 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.480 if you said Jewish women should should not be raped 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:01.360 and taken hostage on over the seventh twenty twenty three, 0:21:01.359 --> 0:21:03.640 they'd say that was hate speech, given the way they 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.040