WEBVTT - #2005 Stepping Into Awareness & Consciousness - Harps & Tiff

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<v Speaker 1>Tiffany and Cook. Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>You Project. Welcome to the show that you work on

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>What a pleasure, What a pleasure to be here. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really good today because have you seen have you looked

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<v Speaker 2>out the window?

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<v Speaker 1>I just went for a walk and I had to

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<v Speaker 1>wear a baseball cap, which is first time I've broken

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<v Speaker 1>out the baseball cap since last summer. I do look

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<v Speaker 1>like a bit of an old fucking rickety baseballer. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was beautiful. I even wore my black T shirt

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<v Speaker 1>out had got disposed of the flannel and got a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of color on their arms. Beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>It is medicine. It is just medicine for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny, how I mean, it's not funny, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is true. What an impact. Just when we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about how your environment affects you, situation, circumstance, nature, even

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<v Speaker 1>the office that you work in, the people that you're around.

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<v Speaker 1>But walking out, i'd looked before. When I walked out,

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<v Speaker 1>it was twenty one degrees and it was like, so

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't hot, but it was beautiful, wasn't cold, And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, this is just it's just that put

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<v Speaker 1>me in a better biochemical state, just going and doing

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<v Speaker 1>the walk I always do, but in a much kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a different vibe to the last four months. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very nice. I came home with a coffee and very

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<v Speaker 1>happy me too.

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<v Speaker 2>I took the dog for an early walk. I went,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to go get new tires on my car.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to walk to a cafe, sit and do

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<v Speaker 2>some work. What a day?

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<v Speaker 1>How much did you ties costure? I know that's not

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<v Speaker 1>a very good podcast question, but fuck it, I'm just in.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I guess? Can I guess?

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<v Speaker 2>Go on?

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<v Speaker 1>How many ties did you get?

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<v Speaker 2>Four?

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<v Speaker 1>And can we tell everybody what kind of car you got?

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<v Speaker 1>Just so they know that of a toy to chr Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm going to go, so you got four all

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<v Speaker 1>brand new fit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, and a wheel alignment and.

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<v Speaker 1>A wheel alignment? Where did you get it done at?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Do we not want to say? It doesn't matter to right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to guess nine hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you've you've failed?

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<v Speaker 1>What how much?

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<v Speaker 2>Twelve hundred and seventy nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well they're not giving those bad boys away, are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure not?

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<v Speaker 1>That's three hundred and something. Did they do a deal

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<v Speaker 1>for you? Because they're always doing a deal that's not really.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got some good Perrelli tires they were they were

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<v Speaker 2>on specially that little deal. I get to go back

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<v Speaker 2>in another three months for a free check AUP on

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<v Speaker 2>the wheel alignment. Good lads, actually really really happy with them.

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<v Speaker 2>They were really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Well shout out to them. How good is it when

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<v Speaker 1>you get like a pretty good product and you get

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<v Speaker 1>really good customer.

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<v Speaker 2>Service, Especially when you're a chick and you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>car stuff, Like when you've got to ring up and

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<v Speaker 2>go I need new tires on my cap and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know anything about tires, and you've got to trust

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<v Speaker 2>that this bloke on the other end of the phone

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<v Speaker 2>is going to tell you actually what you need and

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<v Speaker 2>give you a good price.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever feel like saying now, I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like saying I don't know anything about tires is true,

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<v Speaker 1>but it also is it a bad idea to say that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you say that, but also say please don't rip

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<v Speaker 1>me off. Please don't rip me off, because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to have to come back. Also, I'm a lethal weapon.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to have to come back and punch

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<v Speaker 1>you in the face. You could say something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>be a bit funny.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true, that's true, that is funny. I just liked

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<v Speaker 2>they had a really trustworthy tone energy, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah energy they did. I just felt I felt good. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Jane should sponsor the podcast, by the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way, Yeah, bloody Bob Jane. By the way, where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sponsored by them, but if you feel like it,

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<v Speaker 1>just yell out, well, good, I'm glad you've got new ties.

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<v Speaker 1>We need you safe on the road. We don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you sliding off into anything. It's Monday. It's Monday, the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ninth of the ninth, two thousand and twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a new week, and it's my birthday yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>and I kept that low key, super low key and

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<v Speaker 1>just how I like it. It took all my birthday

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<v Speaker 1>stuff off the interwebs a few years ago, so to

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<v Speaker 1>my knowledge, it doesn't say my day to birth anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of like that. I didn't see anyone

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<v Speaker 1>until later in the day at all. Just went for

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<v Speaker 1>a big, big walk along the beach, nearly ten k

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<v Speaker 1>straight from my joint down to the beach, then down

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<v Speaker 1>to way past Sandy and weave back around through suburbia

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<v Speaker 1>like a fucking loser with my headphones on, just singing

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<v Speaker 1>a happy birthday to me, you sad old count.

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<v Speaker 2>I was singing that, and now on to my message.

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<v Speaker 2>That was rude. I waited all day for a response

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<v Speaker 2>to that message. Didn't come through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or didn't you? You send me something early and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get it till lout, But I did respond to

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<v Speaker 1>other stuff, didn't I didn't I respond.

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<v Speaker 2>To that sadly. It's not really dead. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to do Melissa. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to call anyone and check. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you're alive. I did keep an eye on socials to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure you'd responded to things online, just in cass.

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<v Speaker 1>Melissa does think if she rings me and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>call back within half an hour, it's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's dead. He's absolutely dead. He's died.

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<v Speaker 2>Your phone wasn't on or you were on it, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the two. And I was like that Craig's phone

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<v Speaker 2>always rings. Yeah, something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And also if I'm going anywhere, that's more than like

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<v Speaker 1>five or ten kilometers on the motorbike. Yeah, she always

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<v Speaker 1>she's like thinks she's not a fan of motorbikes. And

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, if I haven't, if I haven't picked up

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<v Speaker 1>by the second ring, I'm dead. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>There was the strip of good value for money though

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<v Speaker 2>there stripper stripper.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he was great. I wish he maybe had

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<v Speaker 1>have shaved up a little bit and kept his fucking

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<v Speaker 1>board shorts on, but look, he was good. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a nice guy. We spooned on the couch for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>we watched we watched a rom com and he left

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<v Speaker 1>about lunchtime and kissed me on the cheek, tapped me

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<v Speaker 1>on the bottom and yeah he was great. So thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Photos coming soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't sound of buy you anything.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we talking about. We're not talking about birthdays

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<v Speaker 1>and fucking car tires and people like Come on, get

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<v Speaker 1>to the self development, personal development, fucking live our best life.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, let's get to that. We don't need your

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<v Speaker 1>personal bullshit, you too, Let's just.

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<v Speaker 2>Rummage around in that magnificent brain of yours. That's just

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<v Speaker 2>getting smarter and more efficient and more inspiring every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish that were the case, but that I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what. It's my It's better than it was a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago when I was in a Cerea,

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<v Speaker 1>I was backstroking in fucking pea soup. That was my

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<v Speaker 1>mind when I thought I was going insane and I

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<v Speaker 1>had an infection I didn't know about, and my IQ

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<v Speaker 1>plummeted to seven and I had to help get people

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<v Speaker 1>to help me do up my shoes. I'm like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>SA?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a bad that's a bad feeling when you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like your brain's starting to not work.

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<v Speaker 2>You're still eighty percent smarter than me, So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>terrifying to.

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<v Speaker 1>Know again again. Intelligences, context, situation and task dependent. Some rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm smarter than you, some rooms you're smarter than me.

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<v Speaker 1>Will leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I wanted to ask you about the stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>know and the stuff you teach. I was thinking about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was thinking, do you, or have you, across

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<v Speaker 2>your life learned things to teach them or taught them

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<v Speaker 2>so you can learn them?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Wow, taught them? I mean I think sometimes I'll

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<v Speaker 1>read something that I this is a good question or

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good thing to think about for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I think not just me, but so you learn things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, It's like sometimes I'll learn or sometimes I'll

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<v Speaker 1>know something inherently, Like I could tell you that it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to understand how other people think, right, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know that, like you inherently and intuitively know that if

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you that, especially now that you've heard me

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<v Speaker 1>so so often, But you don't go, oh, fuck, I

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<v Speaker 1>never thought about that. It's something that we realize, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can understand others, you can connect with others.

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<v Speaker 1>And then but then one day you learn, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a name for that, understanding how other people think. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a name for that. That's actually a construct in psychology

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<v Speaker 1>psychological literature, and it's called theory of mind, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you go oh, and then you dig into that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you read about how that works and what's

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<v Speaker 1>that about, and what are all the variables that impact

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<v Speaker 1>your ability to understand how people think? You know, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's like false consensus effect where you people just assume

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<v Speaker 1>that other people think like them, and there's a name

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<v Speaker 1>for that. And you know, there's another thing called psycho

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<v Speaker 1>neuroimmunology that we spoke about the other day, which means

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<v Speaker 1>that what's going on in your head, and your emotions

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<v Speaker 1>affects your immune systems. So there's all these things that

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<v Speaker 1>we either kind of know or inherently know, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we find out later on, oh, this is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>scientific thing, but you knew it intuitively, right. And then

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when I learn, oh, that's actually called this like

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that I inherently knew or thought I knew

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<v Speaker 1>one it's real, and two there's been research on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and three this is what it's called in scientifical or

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<v Speaker 1>psychological literature. So then I'll go I've learned a thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I've learned a name, I've learned, and I've expanded my

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge because I did a bit of research into that

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<v Speaker 1>initial thing. So there's there's that kind of learning which

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<v Speaker 1>I share, and then there's I guess the best way

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<v Speaker 1>is to explain experiential learning or experienceential knowledge is for

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<v Speaker 1>me being like when I talk about, say obesity to people,

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<v Speaker 1>or I talk about health, or I talk about being

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<v Speaker 1>out of shape, or I talk about the relationship between overweight,

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<v Speaker 1>being overweight, being obese, and the potential psychological, physiological, and

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<v Speaker 1>health variables around that state of overweight. Then I go

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<v Speaker 1>by the way I've had weight issues for about a

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<v Speaker 1>third of my life. And you know, I talk about

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. So when I talk about childhood obesity,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking experientially. When I talk about being a teenager

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<v Speaker 1>that was morebidly obese and all of that. I can

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<v Speaker 1>share some of the stuff around the sociology and psychology

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<v Speaker 1>and physiology and practicality of it, But more than anything,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just speaking as a kid, as a one time

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<v Speaker 1>fat kid who dealt with all the practical and interpersonal

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<v Speaker 1>challenges of that. So I'm not really speaking about research

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<v Speaker 1>that I read about childhood obesity. So I think for

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<v Speaker 1>me and and not just for me, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>like you also do this. I think the really good

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<v Speaker 1>teachers or coaches are people who can combine acquired knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>through research and study and reading and listening. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>where now we've oh, I learned something. I learned about

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and I know its name, and I know how.

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<v Speaker 1>There's that kind of acquired knowledge, and then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>you know knowledge that you gain it the cold face,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the doing, the showing up and the

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<v Speaker 1>doing and the work. It's like, how much do you

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<v Speaker 1>know about producing and uploading and figuring out podcasting? What

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<v Speaker 1>will work, what won't, how close to be on the mic,

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<v Speaker 1>how far away to be, you know, what kind of conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of questions, blah blah blah. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that for you, ninety nine point nine percent of your

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<v Speaker 1>significant knowledge about how to produce and create and sell

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<v Speaker 1>and deliver a high quality podcast is all about what

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<v Speaker 1>you've done. It's not about anything that you read on

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<v Speaker 1>how to create a podcast. It's not about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you and I had a couple of conversations early days,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've been involved in this for years. So there's

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of I know a lot about podcasting because

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<v Speaker 1>I've done a lot of fucking podcasting, and I've made

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of mistakes, you know, So I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>I do do stuff to you know, like even with

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<v Speaker 1>my PhD, like I share a fair bit about of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But all that also, you know, even though I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about metaperception, how others see us and our ability to

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<v Speaker 1>understand that I was talking about that fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got notes from fifteen years ago that literally talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the you experience like that I wrote in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty ten, two thousand and eight. I've got old notes

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm talking about this idea that I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>you had a name because I just thought I called

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<v Speaker 1>it the you experience. What's it like being around you?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I think it matters? And then you know ten

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<v Speaker 1>years later, I go, oh, there's this whole raft of

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<v Speaker 1>research around this thing that you talk about, Craig. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it's that convergence of that I think that makes

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<v Speaker 1>I think not only for good teaching and coaching and

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<v Speaker 1>conversation on a podcast, but also for you as a learner.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can kind of if you can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>merge what you read with what you do, and what

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing gets reinforced by what you're reading or vice versa,

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<v Speaker 1>then that I think that knowledge and that learning sticks.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like if I read something and then I never

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<v Speaker 1>kind of have any real world experience around that theoretical

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<v Speaker 1>idea or construct, it tends to fall out of my head.

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<v Speaker 2>So how closely connected when you think of all of

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<v Speaker 2>the areas that you've taught in, whether that be in

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<v Speaker 2>the gym or now theory of mine and all of

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<v Speaker 2>the things in between, the things you've focused on, how

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<v Speaker 2>closely connected to each of those things or what percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of them have you been closely connected to in something

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<v Speaker 2>that you had to learn or overcome yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's a really good question. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>when you ask that question, it makes me feel I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of selfish in that I tend to just pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to shit that I'm really fascinated with and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that affects me. But also I think the good part,

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<v Speaker 1>luckily for me, it's kind of relevant for most humans,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like what's it beening around me? It's relevant

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<v Speaker 1>for most people. Physical health is relevant for everyone, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>managing your nutrition, managing your choices, try to trying to

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<v Speaker 1>understand what's intentional living, Like how do I live on

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<v Speaker 1>purpose rather than by accident? You know, these kind of philosophical,

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<v Speaker 1>bigger questions. What is my purpose? What are my values?

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I here? What does it matter? What will

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<v Speaker 1>my life look like in one, two, five, ten years,

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<v Speaker 1>all of that stuff. Yes, so I think that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think though that most people who say get into personal

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<v Speaker 1>development or psychology, or even people who get into personal training,

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<v Speaker 1>like I would say, and God bless them, because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people I'm about to identify, I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>a disproportionate number of people who become personal trainers have

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<v Speaker 1>body issues or food issues or do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Because I did, and that's why, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I became the fat kid who became the fit kid,

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<v Speaker 1>who became the obsessed kid who then tried to wind

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<v Speaker 1>back the obsession and become a bit more practical and logical.

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<v Speaker 1>But that initial curiosity about the body and health and

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<v Speaker 1>high performance was the initial kind of starting point was

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my all of my issues around that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I guess trying to understand the mind, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for me very much, trying to understand my own mind.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's you know, this is almost like

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest adventure in self awareness. Is you trying to

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<v Speaker 1>understand you, literally the you project. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is it? If you can't understand you, you know

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<v Speaker 1>why you do stuff you do, and why you don't

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<v Speaker 1>do stuff you don't do, and why you avoid things

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<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't avoid, and why you say things that you

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<v Speaker 1>regret five seconds later, and why you're fucking you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sixty years old and still looking for attention and approval,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, why you're doing things which are essentially

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<v Speaker 1>a form of self destruction and self sabotage when you

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<v Speaker 1>know better now all of these things are just interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And also by the way, you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>awesome am I sometimes? And also by the way, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>I did better than I ever like, I've done better

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. And I don't think I'm the high

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<v Speaker 1>watermark for success, and I never pumped my ties up,

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<v Speaker 1>but I've done more great stuff in my life than

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<v Speaker 1>I ever imagined I would do when I was the

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen year old fucking facted in Latroe Valley ever, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I look back and there's nothing but gratitude. But

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<v Speaker 1>what it does for me is I go, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>can do two thousands of this, thousand episodes of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can write a bunch of books, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can do it whatever, and I can travel around the

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<v Speaker 1>world and speak and people actually fucking listen. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you go, what else can I do? Like? What else

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<v Speaker 1>can I do? You know? Because it's that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>get confidence by not doing stuff. You can't build skill

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<v Speaker 1>and capacity and understanding by thinking about getting it. You

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<v Speaker 1>literally have to go and try stuff and fall down, fail,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck up, get back up, and then you look up

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<v Speaker 1>one day and you're now five years into this journey

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<v Speaker 1>where you know you're becoming a boxer. You get in

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<v Speaker 1>the ring, you've got you go to your first class.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know how to throw a punch. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know what a hook or an uppercut or a jab.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't even know what these words are. And then

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<v Speaker 1>one day you wake up and you've won. You've had

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<v Speaker 1>all these boxing matches and you've won titles, and now

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<v Speaker 1>you talk to corporate. It's about this journey you had

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<v Speaker 1>in boxing and the lessons out of that. But you

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't do any of that had you not gone to

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<v Speaker 1>the first class, got your ass handed to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, learn stuff like this is there's no avoiding

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<v Speaker 1>the journey. And I think it's the Yes, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>intersection of knowing things and understanding the theory of this

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<v Speaker 1>or that, Like understanding the theory of how to eat

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<v Speaker 1>grape is not the same as eating grape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now, hell, I love it. How long this might

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<v Speaker 2>have changed over the years, I'm guessing, so maybe you'll elaborate.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to tell you to elaboraten to do

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<v Speaker 2>I how well far ahead of your audience do you

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<v Speaker 2>generally find yourself when you're choosing to step in and

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<v Speaker 2>teach those things that you're learning or have learned.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you mean in real time? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess like we yeah, like now yeap now or

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<v Speaker 2>when you first So, I mean it would have been

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<v Speaker 2>different when you were young Craig who decided to open

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<v Speaker 2>the first personal training studio, because you've just learned a

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<v Speaker 2>thing and there's not really a timeline on becoming an

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<v Speaker 2>expert at that you just go, well, I'll make this

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<v Speaker 2>up and do it. But we you know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>remember when fight Fit gave me that my first job

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<v Speaker 2>in fitness and allowed me to train people there and said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you're one of the one of the fighters is signed

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<v Speaker 2>up and once you was their coach, and I shit

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<v Speaker 2>myself and went, what I what I can't teach someone.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't realize how much knowledge I had and how

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<v Speaker 2>far ahead I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think listeners because you know what, I think

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<v Speaker 2>listeners will be interesting because we have imposter syndrome and

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<v Speaker 2>we all have things to teach. But also there's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've talked about learning from fucking like having

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<v Speaker 2>a business coach that's failed in all of their businesses,

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<v Speaker 2>Like how do you so how do people start their

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<v Speaker 2>thing and create something and teach people when they're just

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<v Speaker 2>one or two steps ahead, Like, what is that point?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I think you know. I think you just

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<v Speaker 1>start off by as a coach anyway, Like I try

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<v Speaker 1>not to put myself on a pedestal. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>you'll ever hear in any of the two thousand episodes

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<v Speaker 1>me say I'm an expert, or i'm you should do

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<v Speaker 1>what I think you should do, or what I try

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<v Speaker 1>to do is just I try to be real and

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<v Speaker 1>raw and relatable but also know what I feel confident

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<v Speaker 1>and capable and valuable to others in. Even when I

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<v Speaker 1>go and like and I've spoken of probably thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>companies by now, But even when I go and work

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<v Speaker 1>with a company and I'm in a corporate space and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm working with an organization and we're at work and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's in suits and frocks and whatever everyone's were, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in that, I still don't talk about business or

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<v Speaker 1>commerce or the bottom line or systems, or I talk

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<v Speaker 1>about people because I'm not a business expert. And even

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<v Speaker 1>though I've owned businesses and I've employed lots of people

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<v Speaker 1>and I've done okay, I literally say Look, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>in here to talk to you about the bottom line

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<v Speaker 1>or business or the infrastructure or this, so that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>here to talk to you about how you're all going

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<v Speaker 1>individually and not as cogs in the machine or not

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<v Speaker 1>as employees, but rather just as humans who do good

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and dumb stuff and make decisions and fail and

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<v Speaker 1>fuck up and get back up. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>the authenticity or trying to be authentic anyway while still

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<v Speaker 1>being you know, like, it's all well and good to

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<v Speaker 1>get on and bang on about what I think and

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<v Speaker 1>why I think, and what you think and where you've been,

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<v Speaker 1>but also you and I still need to be of

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<v Speaker 1>value to the listener. And yeah, we need to be

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<v Speaker 1>real and relatable, but we also need to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to say, look, here are a few things that worked

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<v Speaker 1>for me. I'm not saying go do them. I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>I had this problem. This is what I did. I

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<v Speaker 1>had this challenge. This is how it worked out for me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is how I developed as a speaker

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<v Speaker 1>and a podcast or an author and an academic and

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<v Speaker 1>a not particularly hugely talented individual who decided to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what the fuck he could try and do if

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't give up, right, So this is and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's in your journey and your lessons and your

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<v Speaker 1>revelations without you necessarily directing anyone. That's the goal. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I love it when I hear people that I know

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<v Speaker 1>when I interviewed, I think you're on there with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Randolph, who created Netflix, and just talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that fucking built Netflix. And he didn't go, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>well this is you know step one, I did this

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<v Speaker 1>and step two. I just I'm like talking to a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who built one of the biggest things in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a billionaire, and I'm just interested in how he thinks.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested in where did you start with that? Then?

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<v Speaker 1>What'd you do? And how did you deal how did

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<v Speaker 1>you navigate that problem and that issue and that challenge? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and now you're sixty odd and you're worth all of

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<v Speaker 1>this money. So what drives you now? What makes you

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<v Speaker 1>happy now? What stresses you now? Are you still working

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<v Speaker 1>a million hours a week? What does work look like?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you work at all? And just like I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's in hearing other people's stories rather than other people's

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<v Speaker 1>instructions to us that for me anyway, I like learning

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<v Speaker 1>that way rather than someone going Craig, all right, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk to you about grief. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>know this silly example. We spoke to Rachel the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>Rachel Pope about grief. But you know, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here are the four steps. I'd just rather if I'm grieving,

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm sad, or I'm upset, I would maybe want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to somebody who is going through similar themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>just to see what they do. And you know, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what you asked me, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did go on a long verbal bloody ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Then good lad, good lad? When all right? So, I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's areas that you've stepped into that you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have experience, like working with addicts. What and maybe you

0:24:37.680 --> 0:24:40.040
<v Speaker 2>want to call out other areas or not, or just

0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.240
<v Speaker 2>answer the question, Yeah, for sure relevant? But what what

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:47.400
<v Speaker 2>when you when you did that? What did you How

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<v Speaker 2>did you draw the perception of what you thought you

0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 2>needed to know? How did you like? How did you

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>land there? How did you become the guy that taught

0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>people to overcome addictions that you never even touched?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Great question. Okay, so let me just clarify a

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 1>little bit, just a slight correction. So I didn't teach

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.919
<v Speaker 1>them to overcome addictions. I essentially when they went in

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.359
<v Speaker 1>there to just talk to them about all the health, wellness, nutrition,

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 1>lifestyle stuff. But I was working literally in an addiction

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>recovery setting with addicts, and so, yes, you're correct, the

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:29.479
<v Speaker 1>learning curve for me was steep. And so did I

0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 1>know Did I have a pretty high level of knowledge

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>about what I was teaching? Yes? Did I have a

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:37.280
<v Speaker 1>high level of understanding of who I was talking to? No,

0:25:38.320 --> 0:25:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I really didn't. And so that for me was the challenge.

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>But it's like anything like I could say to you, Tiff,

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>I want you, I've organized, I've organized for you to

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 1>do pre season with hamp and Rovers Football Club, who

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>are not that far from me. Right, I'm going to

0:25:58.040 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 1>give you some tips and advice. I've worked with my

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.800
<v Speaker 1>ball sporting teams, Elite Club Da Da Da Da Da.

0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:05.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to give you some advice. But then you're

0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>going to write their pre season. You're not doing forty stuff,

0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you're just doing conditioning, and you're working with forty blokes

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 1>and they range from seventeen to thirty five, and that Dada,

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>you would probably shit yourself and you can't just do

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 1>everything boxing. No, You've actually got to figure out how

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>to build strength, muscular endurance, aerobic endurance, how to help

0:26:25.800 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 1>people rehab, how to build flexibility, IMpower, all of that stuff.

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Right now, I know you could do that, but I

0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 1>know the first time that you did that, that would

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>be hard, that would be a steep learning curve. But

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>I know the fourth time that you did that, it'd

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 1>be a piece of piss. Right. But you can't get

0:26:42.240 --> 0:26:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to the fourth time without doing the first time. You

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 1>can't come. You can't become that personal trainer or that

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.680
<v Speaker 1>exercise specialist that you are with that knowledge and that

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:56.439
<v Speaker 1>competence and that skill without doing it the first time.

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.200
<v Speaker 1>And so when you go the first time, like when

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 1>I wrote my first book, I know this is not

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.959
<v Speaker 1>going to be the best book ever written. But I

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>also know that everyone who's successfully published wrote a first book,

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 1>and so this is just the journey. And so you

0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.360
<v Speaker 1>don't go in thinking I'm going to be shit hot.

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.360
<v Speaker 1>You go in thinking I'm going to do my very

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>best and hopefully I will learn quick and hopefully I

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.240
<v Speaker 1>will I will meet some needs in this environment for

0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 1>what I meant to do. But I just think you know,

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>you be you go in and you be humble you

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.159
<v Speaker 1>go I don't think I was arrogant when I was

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 1>went into the addiction space, but I just was unprepared.

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:42.959
<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't think, oh, I'm going to kill it.

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 1>I just yeah, And for those who haven't heard me

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, I just didn't really understand how people

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>with those challenges. I didn't understand the lens through which

0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>they viewed a lot of things that we were talking about.

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 1>And then so the guy who is pretty competent at

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 1>building connection and rapport wasn't building connection or rapport. And

0:28:07.840 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, fucking all my Craig tricks are not working,

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you know. And so you're using the right tool in

0:28:14.880 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 1>the wrong setting or using the wrong tool, you know.

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, oh this my bullshit doesn't work here

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:24.320
<v Speaker 1>because they don't trust me. I don't speak like them.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm not like them. They think I'm a

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.680
<v Speaker 1>fucking idiot. And then you're like, Okay, so before I

0:28:30.720 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 1>share my wisdom, maybe I should try and understand them.

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:39.719
<v Speaker 2>So what's your advice to people who how do we

0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:43.960
<v Speaker 2>marry that scenario and land in a place and have

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>both rapport and respect and trust without faking it till

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>we make it and being inauthentic, Like how do you

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 2>stick in all a space and go fuck? I don't

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>know as much as I feel like I should, but

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I have to know a bit so that they feel

0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 2>comfort stable and trust the process, but also don't see

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 2>right through me.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So last year I did a gig for the

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Victorian Ladies cricket team. I've never worked with a cricket team, right,

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>all of my knowledge of cricket is probably could be

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>stored in your little finger. Like, I mean, I've watched

0:29:22.440 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>cricket and all that, but I am in now and

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about one of the best cricket teams in

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Australia and all of a sudden and obviously there I

0:29:29.600 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there to teach them how to play cricket. But yeah,

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like I go in and I say, well, fortunately

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>for you, I'm not here to tell you anything about crickets,

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>so thank God for that, right, And you just I

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>think you go in there and you you kind of

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>express potentially like I think without going in there and

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.200
<v Speaker 1>throwing yourself under the bus when you go in and

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:59.240
<v Speaker 1>you go, look, I definitely am not an addiction specialist,

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 1>but I do know fear about fair bit about you know,

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 1>nutrition and training and exercise and health and human body

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>or I don't know a lot about cricket. I kind

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>of understand the basics, and you know, I can I

0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:15.440
<v Speaker 1>understand kind of what I think the main physiological attributes

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>are that we need. But you know, so that's my disclaimer,

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>but I do know a fair bit about this stuff,

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and that's why I'm here. But also I really want

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>your input and feedback because you can teach me about

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>cricket and as I teach you about how to optimize

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>your genetic potential and your physiology to be the best cricketer.

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 1>And also let's open the door on the mind stuff

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>a little bit so that we can figure out how

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to self regulate under pressure, whatever it is. But you're

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>not going in there going hey, I know you guys

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>have got problems. I'm the answer. So fucking sit in

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.120
<v Speaker 1>your bean bag and soak it all in. You know,

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 1>I think people, you know, it's like imagine just walking

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>in with a big fucking black T shirt and splashed

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>across you know, the answers here. You're welcome. But that's

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I think It's like, for me, this makes me you know,

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and I've said this before, you know, I hate this.

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I hate it when people, basically, especially experts, and I

0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:23.440
<v Speaker 1>use that term very loosely, they essentially present themselves as

0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>the answer to people's problems. I'm like, that is the

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>most arrogant bullshit. And by the way, most of those

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>people who present themselves on many of them, they don't

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 1>even have their own shit together, right. There have been

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 1>times when I've been well, I don't think I try

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>to present myself as answer, but I know myself. I'm like,

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm still struggling with I'm still figuring shit out. But

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that you know that having that self awareness

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:58.280
<v Speaker 1>in the moment, and you know that avoiding that I've

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>changed this many people's lives. So like, when people tell

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 1>me how many lives they have changed, I go, Okay,

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>did you get out of bed for them? Did you

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>make the decision for them? Did you do the work

0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>for them? Were you courageous for them? Did you eat

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the food for them? Did you have the heart? You

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't fucking change their life. They changed their life, and

0:32:18.400 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe you helped a little bit, But I haven't

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>changed anyone's life, and I've spoken to fucking problem. Well,

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>definitely millions of people over the podcast you know, where

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty million listens over the last eight years or something ridiculous.

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.239
<v Speaker 1>And I know there's very few repeat customers there, but

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're talking lots of people across lots of platforms.

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.960
<v Speaker 1>But every person that has intersected with me and then

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>gone on to do not because of me, but subsequent

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to encountering me, and it may have had nothing to

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>do with me, by the way, but they've gone on

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to do something amazing. I didn't do any of the work.

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 1>I literally didn't do any of the work. They literally

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>did all of it the work, and that is why,

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I just think, you know, I wrote something

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the other day which sounds like a bit like spiritual psychobably,

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 1>but I say to people, I'm not the gift. I'm

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 1>just the conduit to the gift. It's like, I'm not

0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the answer, but I might have some answers for you.

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>And I think if you realize truly as a teacher,

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:26.959
<v Speaker 1>as a coach, as a mentor whatever, if you realize

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you're not the gift and you are just it is

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.720
<v Speaker 1>a gift to be able to help people. I think that,

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and that you might be a conduit or you might

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.960
<v Speaker 1>open a door to help them. Then I think people

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>are going to and one, this is real. This is

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:46.520
<v Speaker 1>not some manufactured fucking image that you know, Oh look

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 1>at me, I'm super humble, but this is how you are.

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>People just trust you. The nicest thing that people can

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 1>say to me, pretty much is when I meet them

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 1>away from this show, they go, oh, you're exactly the same.

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I love that. They go, oh my god, you're exactly

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>the same. And I go, of course, you know, because

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>I imagine doing two thousand hours of podcasting where you're

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>pretending to be something you're not.

0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 2>What's the difference and what are the similarities that you

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 2>find working with elite athletes or executives and everyday people.

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:28.799
<v Speaker 1>Ah, well, obviously this is not the answer you're looking for.

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:32.359
<v Speaker 1>But obviously they're all human, which means obviously they've all

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:37.720
<v Speaker 1>got insecurity, self doubt, overthinking, self loathing periodically. But I think,

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:40.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, the common denominator across say, corporates and elite

0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>athletes and maybe not so much the general public, but

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.959
<v Speaker 1>will come. We'll circle back to that. As the kids say,

0:34:49.080 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 1>is that you know most people, in not all people,

0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.280
<v Speaker 1>but most people, depending on the level we're talking about

0:34:55.280 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>in corporate, are pretty ambitious. Most elite athletes are pretty ambitious.

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.480
<v Speaker 1>They want to do more, be more, create more, succeed.

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 1>So I think there's that level of drive and motivation

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 1>that you don't necessarily find in everyone. And then you know,

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of the general public, you know, I think they

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 1>are motivated perhaps by different things, but also the general

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 1>public are elite athletes do and the general public are

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 1>business owners and all of that. But I think the

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:35.040
<v Speaker 1>thing that you know, everybody wants to feel like they matter.

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Everybody wants to belong, everybody like nobody wants to be miserable.

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>Everybody wants to be successful. But I think the mistake

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.360
<v Speaker 1>that we make, whether it's in the corporate space, the

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:49.480
<v Speaker 1>elite sport sporting space, or the elite sports space, or

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>general public, is I think we put way too much

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>emphasis on including me, by the way, including me, We

0:35:58.800 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>put way too muchmphasis on external results, what people are

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>going to see, and we have way too much belief

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>in if I create this outcome, or I get that thing,

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:17.120
<v Speaker 1>or I do that thing, that's just going to create

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 1>this incredible internal state of bliss, of harmony, of joy,

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>of contentment, of and it tends not to it tends

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.400
<v Speaker 1>to be fleeting. You know. It's like you think of

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>all the boys that won the all the men that

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:35.600
<v Speaker 1>won the AFL Grand Final two days ago, you think

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.359
<v Speaker 1>that none of those in the next year are going

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 1>to get depressed or anxious or have a shit day

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>or like that's the sporting pinnacle for the biggest sport

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>in Australia and they won, And do you think they're

0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 1>not going to have as many struggles in the next three, six,

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>twelve months as anyone?

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:55.799
<v Speaker 2>I would say potentially even more more. Imagine now what

0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>the baseline feels like. The baseline would feel like the

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>depths of despair. Imagine just coming back from cloud nine,

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 2>to just come back to baseline.

0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's actually a there's a term for that which

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 1>escapes me. But yeah, it's that where we get to

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the top of the mountain and whatever we thought we

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 1>were going to experience at the top, we either don't

0:37:18.120 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>experience it or it's fleeting. And then so we had

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.919
<v Speaker 1>this idea, and the idea was that when I get

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to the top of the metaphoric mountain, whatever that means

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:31.200
<v Speaker 1>for you that that is going to create some cataclysmic,

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>beautiful internal shift and then I am fuck. All the

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:38.440
<v Speaker 1>ship that holds me back will diss of the anxiety

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and the self doubt and the overthinking and the rumor

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>nation that'll all disappear because my self esteem will be

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.240
<v Speaker 1>amazing and people will know that I'm great now because

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 1>I did this thing and I own this and I

0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>have that, and yeah, it's it just ain't true, and

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:58.640
<v Speaker 1>that's why you know. It's Yeah, it's why you know.

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Nobody looks across the room and identify somebody who's driving

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.920
<v Speaker 1>a piece of shit and living in a one bedroom

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:09.600
<v Speaker 1>apartment and says, oh, wow, have you They're a success

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 1>story because they're happy and they're content and they're calm

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and they live in a state of perpetual equanimity. Right,

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:18.400
<v Speaker 1>No one does that because we don't. We talk about that,

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 1>but we don't really value it. In our culture, we

0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:25.600
<v Speaker 1>really value things, which is why we look at people

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>and go, oh, wow, she's doing great or he's doing great.

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 1>What we mean is their career is awesome, or their

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 1>sporting prowess is amazing, or they're getting whatever. You know

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that it's more about what they're doing and getting and

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 1>having than what's happening on that you know in that

0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.840
<v Speaker 1>real world, which is like what's going on inside you.

0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 1>How many times have you looked like from outside you're

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 1>killing it and you're Sadi Max ads to for a

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>day or a week and you don't even know why,

0:38:56.760 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and you like, even when you logically go, fuck, I've

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>got people who care about me. I've got enough stuff,

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:08.240
<v Speaker 1>I own a few things, I make a pretty good wage.

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:13.759
<v Speaker 1>And then it doesn't necessarily equate to this positive inner experience.

0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 2>How influenced do you feel by the people that surround you?

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 2>And have you do you order that? Has there been

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 2>times you've noticed it? And have you made decisions to

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 2>distance yourself from relationships or environments due to how it

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 2>influences you?

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:42.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Wow, wow, So I really care about people, and

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I think my perspective on life and like purpose and

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>all of that is probably not better or not worse,

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 1>but not typical in that there are not many people

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:56.919
<v Speaker 1>my age who don't have a wife, or who've never

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>had a wife or a partner, who don't have a

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 1>child or a grandchild or and who you know, So

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 1>my life in the sense of what is more normal

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>for you know, sixty year old blokes in suburbia. I'm

0:40:13.520 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>probably towards the other end of the scale, but I am.

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I am slow to trust, as you know. That's not

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>in reference to you, but you know that like I don't.

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Now that doesn't mean I distrust everyone. I don't. I

0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.240
<v Speaker 1>have just and there's no what's the word, there's.

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>No selfdia that you don't that you question your ability

0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 2>to trust to make the right trust call. Because that's

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 2>what I feel with me is it's not that I

0:40:46.239 --> 0:40:48.720
<v Speaker 2>don't trust the person, it's that I don't trust my judgment.

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:51.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's probably a better way I put it. Yeah,

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 1>now I like that. Yeah, I've just trusted people before

0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 1>that I shouldn't have trusted. And like I said, there's

0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:59.279
<v Speaker 1>nobody self pity and that just is what it is.

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 1>But then there's also been people that I really didn't

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 1>necessarily think much of or didn't think about that turned

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.239
<v Speaker 1>out to be incredible humans, you know. So it's it

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 1>goes both ways. But I try to be I try

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>to be strategic and also intuitive, which they seem diametrically opposed.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I think they can be synergistic. I think strategy and

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>intuition can go hand in hand. But I try and

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:32.800
<v Speaker 1>be strategic and intuitive about where and how I invest

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:37.759
<v Speaker 1>my emotional energy in people, and so I try to,

0:41:40.120 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I can only do so much where

0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just giving, giving giving to someone, where I'm sitting

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:50.800
<v Speaker 1>with someone who's got, you know, some really big challenges,

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 1>and I'm there and I can go, all right, well,

0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:54.919
<v Speaker 1>I can give you this time here, I can see

0:41:54.920 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you between this time and this time, because then I

0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 1>know thirty minutes after that, I've got a podcast that

0:41:59.719 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I know straight after that, I've got three hours of UNI.

0:42:02.440 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Then I know straight after that I've got to go

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.080
<v Speaker 1>see my parents. So then you know, you can't be

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>everything to everyone. And I think your mental and emotional energy,

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>like mine, like every individual listener, it is a it

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:21.279
<v Speaker 1>is not an infinite resource like it is finite. And

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 1>you know you're great, You're great, You're great, And now

0:42:23.760 --> 0:42:26.319
<v Speaker 1>I hit the wall. I'm fucked. I'm fucked. I don't

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>have any more energy. I need food, I need bed,

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>I need a reset, and then tomorrow and I'm up

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:33.799
<v Speaker 1>and I'm fucking amazing. But I think we all need

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 1>to figure out, you know, like let's call that the

0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 1>petrol for our car. Where the car, it's the petrol.

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.279
<v Speaker 1>It's like, how much petrol do you need each day?

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 1>And what's the best way to drive that through the

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:51.960
<v Speaker 1>day so that you can you can get the best

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:54.920
<v Speaker 1>ROI return on investment based on who and how you

0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>want to be. So I would rather do not that

0:42:58.040 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I do coaching sessions per se much these days, but

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 1>I'd rather do three amazing ones than ten shit ones.

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Even if it was, you know, a thousand dollars ahead.

0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 1>You go, well, I'd mother rather make three grand than

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 1>ten grand. It's not by the way, everyone, I'm just

0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 1>just so it's like you want to go, how like

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 1>what's my performance threshold? How much of this can I

0:43:19.440 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 1>do really well? It's like I would not try and

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>do seven podcasts today. Could I do them? Yes? Would

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>they all be? Well? I'm not guaranteeing this one's any good?

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>But you know what I mean, Like, the chances of

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 1>you doing one or two podcasts in a day, if

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:34.880
<v Speaker 1>you're prepped and ready, and you're a mental and emotionally

0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 1>in a good place, the chance of you doing one

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>or two good ones, so to speak, is high. If

0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:43.320
<v Speaker 1>you've got skill and all of that. But the chances

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 1>of you doing seven good ones, no chance, but zero zero,

0:43:48.640 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 1>And so you go, well, let's not do that. You know,

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the chances of me going, all right, I'm going to

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:57.799
<v Speaker 1>read this academic paper that's one hundred pages long. I'm

0:43:57.800 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>just going to sit here and read page one to

0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>page hundred and well that's done, because by page seven

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm fucking thinking about skateboards and I don't even skateboard.

0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like you need to go, you need

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to go, all right, well, here's a thing I have

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:18.280
<v Speaker 1>to do. I have to read this paper. Some people

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>probably could sit and read the hundred pages. I'm not

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that person. So then you go, well, what's the best

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 1>way for me to do this? Well, probably a good

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 1>plan is read five pages at a time, you know,

0:44:30.920 --> 0:44:35.439
<v Speaker 1>read it, highlight it, circle stuff, underline stuff, and then

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, it might take me four days, you know,

0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>I might do twenty five pages a day. But I'm

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 1>reading it, I'm understanding it, I'm relating it to my

0:44:46.920 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 1>own research, I'm using it, you know. And that's you know,

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:56.120
<v Speaker 1>just for an example. But yeah, I think that we

0:44:56.120 --> 0:45:02.000
<v Speaker 1>we can be quite inefficient and unwise with our own energy, mental, emotional,

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 1>physical energy, and then we wake up and we're like,

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 1>a fuck, I've been wasting time and wasting my potential

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and wasting my energy. How do I be more strategic

0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:16.080
<v Speaker 1>and intelligent about using that in a way which produces

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 1>the outcomes I actually want? And also I'll shut up

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>after this. But also when it comes to us, we

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>like to think we're real, practical, logical, reasonal reasonable. We're

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 1>fucking not. We're more practical and reasonable and logical about

0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:35.520
<v Speaker 1>helping other people. You know, when you coach someone and

0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 1>they rock up and they're like, here are the things

0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I need to deal with and talk about and I

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>need help on, it's pretty easy for you as a

0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 1>coach to sit back because it's not you. They're not

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:48.239
<v Speaker 1>your issues, it's not your life. So you sit back

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:49.839
<v Speaker 1>as a coach and then you go, what about this?

0:45:49.880 --> 0:45:52.160
<v Speaker 1>What about that? It's all very and I'm the same.

0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to me, well, I'm emotional about

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:59.960
<v Speaker 1>my body. I'm emotional. When someone says you're a dick head,

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I don't think I'm overwhelmed by or

0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 1>controlled by But for me to think that I'm the

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>exception to the rule that nothing affects me, that I'm

0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 1>just this eye rise above all the emotional stuff that

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 1>derails everybody else. Well, that's arrogance, of course. So you've

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 1>got to go. Yeah, It's like, I've seen you emotional.

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I've seen you irrational and emotional. I've been irrational and emotional.

0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 1>And then I've seen you when you're just fucking in

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.600
<v Speaker 1>the zone and you're just throwing three pointers basketball metaphor everyone,

0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and you're just throwing three point after three point after,

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and your brain's on point and your energy is on point,

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.439
<v Speaker 1>and your productivity is on point, and you're like, you're

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:43.319
<v Speaker 1>fucking smashing it, you know. But that's nobody's doing that

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 1>every day, all day. So I think this comes back

0:46:46.560 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 1>into this, you know, like I said the start of

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the show, the you project, the managing you, the self awareness,

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 1>all of this.

0:46:53.719 --> 0:46:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Did you when you were younger and you were looking

0:46:55.920 --> 0:47:00.399
<v Speaker 2>for mentors or insight or a path or a way

0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:04.600
<v Speaker 2>to go or influence, did you notice that? Did you

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>notice you might have put yourself into an environment and

0:47:09.040 --> 0:47:11.839
<v Speaker 2>then decided, actually, this is not what I want this.

0:47:11.920 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't like the version of me that will come

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 2>out of this if I follow this path.

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 1>No, not really, I mean young young, young, like in

0:47:22.560 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>my teens, I didn't really have so much. I mean

0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I think you look for as a young teenager, you

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 1>look up to. I looked up to anyway, older teenagers

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that I thought had their shit together or you know.

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 1>So there's that, and they're a role model without even

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:44.760
<v Speaker 1>knowing they're a role model, you know. And you always

0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 1>look up when you're a young boy. Not everyone does,

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.759
<v Speaker 1>I guess. But you know, my dad was doing quite well.

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 1>He was quite successful. I always used to Dad was

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 1>not a great communicator, but he would like he taught

0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 1>me things. And I spoke about this the other day,

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:02.960
<v Speaker 1>or maybe about it. Dad taught me things through what

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:06.759
<v Speaker 1>he did, you know, the way that he would the

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 1>way that he would navigate things. So I looked up.

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like I told this. I can't remember

0:48:11.640 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 1>because I do so much stuff. But I spoke the

0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 1>other day in some forum about when I was fourteen,

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 1>i'd already spent a couple of years working in my parents'

0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:23.600
<v Speaker 1>hardware store after school and on weekends and during school holidays.

0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.320
<v Speaker 1>They had quite a big hardware store in La Trivalian.

0:48:28.320 --> 0:48:32.160
<v Speaker 1>One summer I went to work there, and and Dad said,

0:48:32.360 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 1>if you basically I need he needed another employee for

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 1>the summer, and he said, I will you can be

0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that employee if you work like a man and produce

0:48:43.080 --> 0:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like a man or an adult. Right if you you know,

0:48:46.080 --> 0:48:48.360
<v Speaker 1>if you can do the work of an adult, I

0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:52.560
<v Speaker 1>will pay you an adult age. And I was fourteen

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:55.720
<v Speaker 1>years old, and this is so nineteen to seventy seven.

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:57.759
<v Speaker 1>I got paid one hundred and forty dollars a week,

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>which back then was mind blowing, like mind blowing, and

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:05.839
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have to do that. But what I learned was,

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:08.480
<v Speaker 1>oh cool, if I make a big effort, there's actually

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:10.560
<v Speaker 1>a reward. But if I hadn't of he wouldn't have

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 1>given it to me. But he realized that I was

0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:17.280
<v Speaker 1>like when I was fourteen. I was also quite mature

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 1>for my age. Because I was an only child. I

0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of time around adults, and I always

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>grew up in and around businesses, so I kind of

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 1>got it right. But yeah, and so that kind of

0:49:30.040 --> 0:49:32.960
<v Speaker 1>role modeling where I'm more interested in what people are

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 1>doing than necessarily telling me, you know. And then there

0:49:37.000 --> 0:49:39.560
<v Speaker 1>was other the more cheesy ones. And people will now

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 1>roll their eyes. But for me, like even someone like

0:49:43.680 --> 0:49:46.680
<v Speaker 1>I started reading self help books when nobody read, well,

0:49:46.760 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>no seventeen year old was reading. I read a book

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.319
<v Speaker 1>called Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, which was

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 1>not the greatest book, but it was the start of

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a book. It was like part of the start of

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>my journey. There was another book called very famous. A

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.239
<v Speaker 1>lot of young people never heard of it. It's called

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:05.279
<v Speaker 1>How to Win Friends and Influence People, which is a

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:06.040
<v Speaker 1>cheesy title.

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:07.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to say that, yeah.

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Written by Dale Carnegie in nineteen thirty six. I listened

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:13.600
<v Speaker 1>to Tony Robbins, I wore his tapes out. I listened

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:17.120
<v Speaker 1>to old school Deepak chow bra I listen. I just

0:50:17.239 --> 0:50:19.800
<v Speaker 1>listened to people that I love the way they thought.

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 1>I fell in love with people's minds, right. I fell

0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.879
<v Speaker 1>in love with people who would basically suggest that, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't have to be this fat, insecure, inadequate

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<v Speaker 1>underachiever growing up in rural Victoria. Maybe. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody said that to me like that was my that

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<v Speaker 1>was I said that to me, right, So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like Craig was this victim of no. I wasn't. My

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<v Speaker 1>life was actually fine, but my opinion of me was

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<v Speaker 1>so fucking underwhelming that when I would hear these people

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<v Speaker 1>who came from not great beginnings to do these things

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, it's just listening to Tony Robbins that

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of times I heard him talk about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how he lived in this four hundred square foot which

0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:10.040
<v Speaker 1>is twenty by twenty one bedroom apartment in Santa Monica,

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<v Speaker 1>and all these stories that I heard of him and

0:51:13.200 --> 0:51:15.279
<v Speaker 1>all the fuck ups and all that, And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if he can be shitting and then some come something,

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I can be shitting and become something also. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I think storytelling is so powerful. That's why I think.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like, why do people listen to so

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<v Speaker 1>many podcasts, Why don't they just listen to Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>they just go read the data in the research because

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<v Speaker 1>it's fucking boring and you can't remember it, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't apply it, you can't understand it a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you can do is you can listen to

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<v Speaker 1>people that you resonate with who have got stories and

0:51:46.680 --> 0:51:51.840
<v Speaker 1>thoughts and ways of expressing information or strategies or whatever

0:51:52.480 --> 0:51:57.359
<v Speaker 1>that resonates with you, which is why, you know, God

0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 1>love him. I don't know why, but it's why some

0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:03.320
<v Speaker 1>people have listened to every episode. It's why people consistently say,

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, we love the show. And then there are

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>other people for whom it won't resonate, of course, but

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>good chat, cook, good chat. We started slow, We started slow,

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<v Speaker 1>We reached.

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<v Speaker 2>A we didn't like the conversation on tires.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't mind that. I didn't mind that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny when you do this right. We should probably

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<v Speaker 1>hang up, but we're going to keep talking. Everyone just

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<v Speaker 1>from it, you know, Like I said to you, like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the challenges of an everyday show is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying not to be too repetitive. And I absolutely recognize

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<v Speaker 1>even Joe Rogan that I listened to literally some of

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Joe's stories I've heard him tell twenty times. I could

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<v Speaker 1>tell this story because I know it, because it's But

0:52:48.280 --> 0:52:50.239
<v Speaker 1>what happens is he'll get a guest in. The guest

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know the story, so he tells the story again

0:52:52.560 --> 0:52:54.800
<v Speaker 1>to the guest. But then those of us who have

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.759
<v Speaker 1>heard a million whatevers. But yeah, you try to be

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<v Speaker 1>of course, you're going to keep exploring the human experience.

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<v Speaker 1>To human condition and all of those things, But you think,

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<v Speaker 1>what do we do today? How do we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this in a way which is not overly repetitive, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially when it's you and me, or especially when it's yesterday,

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I did a I did just a solo, and the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of times I've done it just me where I

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<v Speaker 1>think I might spend four hours thinking about what door

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<v Speaker 1>can I open that I haven't opened, or at least

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't want to bore me. I don't

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:36.000
<v Speaker 1>want to bore our listeners. And what can I give

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a bit different or it's valuable or.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>What was I can't even remember what I spoke about

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<v Speaker 1>today in today's episode, but yeah, it was just quite different.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, I like this, and there I often

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<v Speaker 1>start where now especially I go, look, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the answers. I'm about to have a conversation about shit

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:58.279
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not totally sure about, but I'm interested and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious, and I go, so, this is what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. This is what I think. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what you think, but this is what I think. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that kind of approach for many people

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<v Speaker 1>that more conversational think out loud. I think that works

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<v Speaker 1>for people, yeah, rather than the daily tutorial, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I love it. I actually listen. I hadn't

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:21.759
<v Speaker 2>listened to Joe Rogan for a long time and I

0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:24.520
<v Speaker 2>listened recently, and that was what I loved about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that idea of I

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<v Speaker 1>feel and with Rogan, he does, love him or hate him,

0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:36.760
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter. And he has guests that I'm like, I'm out.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes he says stuff I'm like, nah, disagree sometimes like

0:54:40.640 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 1>that's funny. But I just I like the idea of

0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 1>just listening to a real conversation. And if you don't

0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:52.319
<v Speaker 1>think that those conversations are real, you haven't listened to him,

0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:56.960
<v Speaker 1>because you know there are. It is just you cannot

0:54:57.040 --> 0:55:01.320
<v Speaker 1>script or rehearse that because they're so fucking long. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean three, three and a half four. There was

0:55:03.400 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 1>one I listened to one. It was five hours. It's

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>a five hour podcast and he's done over two thousand

0:55:09.080 --> 0:55:13.400
<v Speaker 1>of them, you know, And it's sometimes it's rambling sometimes

0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:15.880
<v Speaker 1>and for me, I'm just walking sometimes and I've just

0:55:15.920 --> 0:55:18.240
<v Speaker 1>got these blokes chatting in the background, or this bloke

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and some lady chatting in the background. So anyway, love

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<v Speaker 1>you everyone. Thanks for hanging around, Tiff, it's been terrific.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll say goodbye a fair but thank you

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Harbs, thanks everyone,