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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook. Good afternoon, Good afternoon. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: You Project. Welcome to the show that you work on

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Speaker 1: all the time. How are you?

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Speaker 2: What a pleasure, What a pleasure to be here. I'm

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Speaker 2: really good today because have you seen have you looked

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Speaker 2: out the window?

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Speaker 1: I just went for a walk and I had to

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Speaker 1: wear a baseball cap, which is first time I've broken

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Speaker 1: out the baseball cap since last summer. I do look

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Speaker 1: like a bit of an old fucking rickety baseballer. And

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Speaker 1: it was beautiful. I even wore my black T shirt

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Speaker 1: out had got disposed of the flannel and got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of color on their arms. Beautiful.

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Speaker 2: It is medicine. It is just medicine for me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, how I mean, it's not funny, but

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Speaker 1: it is true. What an impact. Just when we talk

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Speaker 1: about how your environment affects you, situation, circumstance, nature, even

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Speaker 1: the office that you work in, the people that you're around.

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Speaker 1: But walking out, i'd looked before. When I walked out,

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Speaker 1: it was twenty one degrees and it was like, so

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Speaker 1: it wasn't hot, but it was beautiful, wasn't cold, And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is just it's just that put

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Speaker 1: me in a better biochemical state, just going and doing

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Speaker 1: the walk I always do, but in a much kind

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Speaker 1: of a different vibe to the last four months. It's

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Speaker 1: very nice. I came home with a coffee and very

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Speaker 1: happy me too.

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Speaker 2: I took the dog for an early walk. I went,

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Speaker 2: I had to go get new tires on my car.

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Speaker 2: I got to walk to a cafe, sit and do

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Speaker 2: some work. What a day?

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Speaker 1: How much did you ties costure? I know that's not

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Speaker 1: a very good podcast question, but fuck it, I'm just in.

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Speaker 1: Can I guess? Can I guess?

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Speaker 2: Go on?

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Speaker 1: How many ties did you get?

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Speaker 2: Four?

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Speaker 1: And can we tell everybody what kind of car you got?

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Speaker 1: Just so they know that of a toy to chr Right,

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to go, so you got four all

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Speaker 1: brand new fit.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, and a wheel alignment and.

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Speaker 1: A wheel alignment? Where did you get it done at?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Do we not want to say? It doesn't matter to right,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to guess nine hundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 2: No, you've you've failed?

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Speaker 1: What how much?

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Speaker 2: Twelve hundred and seventy nine?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well they're not giving those bad boys away, are they?

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Speaker 2: Sure not?

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Speaker 1: That's three hundred and something. Did they do a deal

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Speaker 1: for you? Because they're always doing a deal that's not really.

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Speaker 2: I've got some good Perrelli tires they were they were

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Speaker 2: on specially that little deal. I get to go back

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Speaker 2: in another three months for a free check AUP on

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Speaker 2: the wheel alignment. Good lads, actually really really happy with them.

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Speaker 2: They were really nice.

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Speaker 1: Well shout out to them. How good is it when

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Speaker 1: you get like a pretty good product and you get

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Speaker 1: really good customer.

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Speaker 2: Service, Especially when you're a chick and you're dealing with

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Speaker 2: car stuff, Like when you've got to ring up and

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Speaker 2: go I need new tires on my cap and I

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Speaker 2: don't know anything about tires, and you've got to trust

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Speaker 2: that this bloke on the other end of the phone

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Speaker 2: is going to tell you actually what you need and

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Speaker 2: give you a good price.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like saying now, I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like saying I don't know anything about tires is true,

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Speaker 1: but it also is it a bad idea to say that?

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Speaker 1: Because you say that, but also say please don't rip

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Speaker 1: me off. Please don't rip me off, because I don't

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Speaker 1: want to have to come back. Also, I'm a lethal weapon.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to come back and punch

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Speaker 1: you in the face. You could say something like that,

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Speaker 1: be a bit funny.

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Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, that is funny. I just liked

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Speaker 2: they had a really trustworthy tone energy, you know you

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Speaker 2: just yeah energy they did. I just felt I felt good. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Bob Jane should sponsor the podcast, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, Yeah, bloody Bob Jane. By the way, where I'm

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Speaker 1: not sponsored by them, but if you feel like it,

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Speaker 1: just yell out, well, good, I'm glad you've got new ties.

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Speaker 1: We need you safe on the road. We don't want

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Speaker 1: you sliding off into anything. It's Monday. It's Monday, the

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth of the ninth, two thousand and twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and it's a new week, and it's my birthday yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I kept that low key, super low key and

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Speaker 1: just how I like it. It took all my birthday

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Speaker 1: stuff off the interwebs a few years ago, so to

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Speaker 1: my knowledge, it doesn't say my day to birth anywhere,

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Speaker 1: and I kind of like that. I didn't see anyone

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Speaker 1: a big, big walk along the beach, nearly ten k

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Speaker 1: straight from my joint down to the beach, then down

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Speaker 1: to way past Sandy and weave back around through suburbia

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Speaker 1: like a fucking loser with my headphones on, just singing

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Speaker 1: a happy birthday to me, you sad old count.

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Speaker 2: I was singing that, and now on to my message.

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Speaker 2: That was rude. I waited all day for a response

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Speaker 2: to that message. Didn't come through it.

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Speaker 1: Or didn't you? You send me something early and I

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Speaker 1: didn't get it till lout, But I did respond to

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Speaker 1: other stuff, didn't I didn't I respond.

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Speaker 2: To that sadly. It's not really dead. But I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to do Melissa. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to call anyone and check. But if

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Speaker 2: you're alive. I did keep an eye on socials to

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Speaker 2: make sure you'd responded to things online, just in cass.

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Speaker 1: Melissa does think if she rings me and I don't

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Speaker 1: call back within half an hour, it's like, all right,

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Speaker 1: he's dead. He's absolutely dead. He's died.

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Speaker 2: Your phone wasn't on or you were on it, one

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Speaker 2: of the two. And I was like that Craig's phone

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Speaker 2: always rings. Yeah, something's wrong.

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Speaker 1: And also if I'm going anywhere, that's more than like

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Speaker 1: she's like thinks she's not a fan of motorbikes. And

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Speaker 1: for sure, if I haven't, if I haven't picked up

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Speaker 1: by the second ring, I'm dead. Well.

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Speaker 2: There was the strip of good value for money though

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Speaker 2: there stripper stripper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was great. I wish he maybe had

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Speaker 1: have shaved up a little bit and kept his fucking

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Speaker 1: board shorts on, but look, he was good. He was

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Speaker 1: a nice guy. We spooned on the couch for a while,

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Speaker 1: about lunchtime and kissed me on the cheek, tapped me

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Speaker 1: on the bottom and yeah he was great. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for that. Photos coming soon.

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Speaker 2: Don't sound of buy you anything.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about. We're not talking about birthdays

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Speaker 1: and fucking car tires and people like Come on, get

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Speaker 1: to the self development, personal development, fucking live our best life.

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Speaker 1: Come on, let's get to that. We don't need your

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Speaker 1: personal bullshit, you too, Let's just.

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Speaker 2: Rummage around in that magnificent brain of yours. That's just

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Speaker 2: getting smarter and more efficient and more inspiring every day.

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Speaker 1: I wish that were the case, but that I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. It's my It's better than it was a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when I was in a Cerea,

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Speaker 1: I was backstroking in fucking pea soup. That was my

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Speaker 1: mind when I thought I was going insane and I

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Speaker 1: had an infection I didn't know about, and my IQ

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Speaker 1: plummeted to seven and I had to help get people

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Speaker 1: to help me do up my shoes. I'm like, fuck,

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Speaker 1: what is going on?

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Speaker 2: SA?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a bad that's a bad feeling when you

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Speaker 1: feel like your brain's starting to not work.

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Speaker 2: You're still eighty percent smarter than me, So that's that's

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Speaker 1: Know again again. Intelligences, context, situation and task dependent. Some rooms,

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Speaker 1: I'm smarter than you, some rooms you're smarter than me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I wanted to ask you about the stuff you

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Speaker 2: know and the stuff you teach. I was thinking about it,

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Speaker 2: and I was thinking, do you, or have you, across

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Speaker 2: your life learned things to teach them or taught them

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Speaker 2: so you can learn them?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, taught them? I mean I think sometimes I'll

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Speaker 1: this is a good thing to think about for everyone.

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Speaker 1: I think not just me, but so you learn things.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's like sometimes I'll learn or sometimes I'll

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Speaker 1: important to understand how other people think, right, and you

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Speaker 1: And then but then one day you learn, oh, there's

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Speaker 1: me being like when I talk about, say obesity to people,

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Speaker 1: I'm just speaking as a kid, as a one time

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Speaker 1: What'd you do? And how did you deal how did

435
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Speaker 1: you navigate that problem and that issue and that challenge? Okay,

436
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: and now you're sixty odd and you're worth all of

437
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: this money. So what drives you now? What makes you

438
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: happy now? What stresses you now? Are you still working

439
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: a million hours a week? What does work look like?

440
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: Do you work at all? And just like I think

441
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: it's in hearing other people's stories rather than other people's

442
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: instructions to us that for me anyway, I like learning

443
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: that way rather than someone going Craig, all right, I

444
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: wanted to talk to you about grief. You know, I

445
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: know this silly example. We spoke to Rachel the other day,

446
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: Rachel Pope about grief. But you know, and you know,

447
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: here are the four steps. I'd just rather if I'm grieving,

448
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: or I'm sad, or I'm upset, I would maybe want

449
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody who is going through similar themselves,

450
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: just to see what they do. And you know, so

451
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you asked me, but I

452
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: did go on a long verbal bloody ride.

453
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Speaker 2: Then good lad, good lad? When all right? So, I

454
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 2: know there's areas that you've stepped into that you don't

455
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 2: have experience, like working with addicts. What and maybe you

456
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: want to call out other areas or not, or just

457
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Speaker 2: answer the question, Yeah, for sure relevant? But what what

458
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: when you when you did that? What did you How

459
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Speaker 2: did you draw the perception of what you thought you

460
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: needed to know? How did you like? How did you

461
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: land there? How did you become the guy that taught

462
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: people to overcome addictions that you never even touched?

463
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah? Great question. Okay, so let me just clarify a

464
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: little bit, just a slight correction. So I didn't teach

465
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: them to overcome addictions. I essentially when they went in

466
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: there to just talk to them about all the health, wellness, nutrition,

467
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: lifestyle stuff. But I was working literally in an addiction

468
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: recovery setting with addicts, and so, yes, you're correct, the

469
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,479
Speaker 1: learning curve for me was steep. And so did I

470
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Speaker 1: know Did I have a pretty high level of knowledge

471
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Speaker 1: about what I was teaching? Yes? Did I have a

472
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: high level of understanding of who I was talking to? No,

473
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 1: I really didn't. And so that for me was the challenge.

474
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: But it's like anything like I could say to you, Tiff,

475
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: I want you, I've organized, I've organized for you to

476
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: do pre season with hamp and Rovers Football Club, who

477
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: are not that far from me. Right, I'm going to

478
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: give you some tips and advice. I've worked with my

479
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: ball sporting teams, Elite Club Da Da Da Da Da.

480
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you some advice. But then you're

481
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: going to write their pre season. You're not doing forty stuff,

482
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: you're just doing conditioning, and you're working with forty blokes

483
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: and they range from seventeen to thirty five, and that Dada,

484
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: you would probably shit yourself and you can't just do

485
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: everything boxing. No, You've actually got to figure out how

486
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: to build strength, muscular endurance, aerobic endurance, how to help

487
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: people rehab, how to build flexibility, IMpower, all of that stuff.

488
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: Right now, I know you could do that, but I

489
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: know the first time that you did that, that would

490
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Speaker 1: be hard, that would be a steep learning curve. But

491
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Speaker 1: I know the fourth time that you did that, it'd

492
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Speaker 1: be a piece of piss. Right. But you can't get

493
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: to the fourth time without doing the first time. You

494
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: can't come. You can't become that personal trainer or that

495
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: exercise specialist that you are with that knowledge and that

496
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: competence and that skill without doing it the first time.

497
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: And so when you go the first time, like when

498
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Speaker 1: I wrote my first book, I know this is not

499
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: going to be the best book ever written. But I

500
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: also know that everyone who's successfully published wrote a first book,

501
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: and so this is just the journey. And so you

502
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 1: don't go in thinking I'm going to be shit hot.

503
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: You go in thinking I'm going to do my very

504
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: best and hopefully I will learn quick and hopefully I

505
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: will I will meet some needs in this environment for

506
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: what I meant to do. But I just think you know,

507
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: you be you go in and you be humble you

508
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: go I don't think I was arrogant when I was

509
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 1: went into the addiction space, but I just was unprepared.

510
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 1: Like I didn't think, oh, I'm going to kill it.

511
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: I just yeah, And for those who haven't heard me

512
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: talk about it, I just didn't really understand how people

513
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: with those challenges. I didn't understand the lens through which

514
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: they viewed a lot of things that we were talking about.

515
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: And then so the guy who is pretty competent at

516
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: building connection and rapport wasn't building connection or rapport. And

517
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking all my Craig tricks are not working,

518
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: you know. And so you're using the right tool in

519
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: the wrong setting or using the wrong tool, you know.

520
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh this my bullshit doesn't work here

521
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: because they don't trust me. I don't speak like them.

522
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not like them. They think I'm a

523
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: fucking idiot. And then you're like, Okay, so before I

524
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: share my wisdom, maybe I should try and understand them.

525
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: So what's your advice to people who how do we

526
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: marry that scenario and land in a place and have

527
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: both rapport and respect and trust without faking it till

528
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: we make it and being inauthentic, Like how do you

529
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: stick in all a space and go fuck? I don't

530
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 2: know as much as I feel like I should, but

531
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: I have to know a bit so that they feel

532
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: comfort stable and trust the process, but also don't see

533
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: right through me.

534
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. So last year I did a gig for the

535
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: Victorian Ladies cricket team. I've never worked with a cricket team, right,

536
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: all of my knowledge of cricket is probably could be

537
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: stored in your little finger. Like, I mean, I've watched

538
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: cricket and all that, but I am in now and

539
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: you're talking about one of the best cricket teams in

540
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Australia and all of a sudden and obviously there I

541
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: wasn't there to teach them how to play cricket. But yeah,

542
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: it's like I go in and I say, well, fortunately

543
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: for you, I'm not here to tell you anything about crickets,

544
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: so thank God for that, right, And you just I

545
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: think you go in there and you you kind of

546
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: express potentially like I think without going in there and

547
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: throwing yourself under the bus when you go in and

548
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: you go, look, I definitely am not an addiction specialist,

549
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: but I do know fear about fair bit about you know,

550
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: nutrition and training and exercise and health and human body

551
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: or I don't know a lot about cricket. I kind

552
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: of understand the basics, and you know, I can I

553
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: understand kind of what I think the main physiological attributes

554
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: are that we need. But you know, so that's my disclaimer,

555
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: but I do know a fair bit about this stuff,

556
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm here. But also I really want

557
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: your input and feedback because you can teach me about

558
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: cricket and as I teach you about how to optimize

559
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: your genetic potential and your physiology to be the best cricketer.

560
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: And also let's open the door on the mind stuff

561
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: a little bit so that we can figure out how

562
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: to self regulate under pressure, whatever it is. But you're

563
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: not going in there going hey, I know you guys

564
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: have got problems. I'm the answer. So fucking sit in

565
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: your bean bag and soak it all in. You know,

566
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I think people, you know, it's like imagine just walking

567
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: in with a big fucking black T shirt and splashed

568
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: across you know, the answers here. You're welcome. But that's

569
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 1: I think It's like, for me, this makes me you know,

570
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, you know, I hate this.

571
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: I hate it when people, basically, especially experts, and I

572
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: use that term very loosely, they essentially present themselves as

573
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: the answer to people's problems. I'm like, that is the

574
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: most arrogant bullshit. And by the way, most of those

575
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: people who present themselves on many of them, they don't

576
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: even have their own shit together, right. There have been

577
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: times when I've been well, I don't think I try

578
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: to present myself as answer, but I know myself. I'm like,

579
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm still struggling with I'm still figuring shit out. But

580
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: I think that you know that having that self awareness

581
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: in the moment, and you know that avoiding that I've

582
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: changed this many people's lives. So like, when people tell

583
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: me how many lives they have changed, I go, Okay,

584
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: did you get out of bed for them? Did you

585
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: make the decision for them? Did you do the work

586
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: for them? Were you courageous for them? Did you eat

587
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: the food for them? Did you have the heart? You

588
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: didn't fucking change their life. They changed their life, and

589
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you helped a little bit, But I haven't

590
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: changed anyone's life, and I've spoken to fucking problem. Well,

591
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: definitely millions of people over the podcast you know, where

592
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: twenty million listens over the last eight years or something ridiculous.

593
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,239
Speaker 1: And I know there's very few repeat customers there, but

594
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking lots of people across lots of platforms.

595
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: But every person that has intersected with me and then

596
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: gone on to do not because of me, but subsequent

597
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: to encountering me, and it may have had nothing to

598
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: do with me, by the way, but they've gone on

599
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: to do something amazing. I didn't do any of the work.

600
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: I literally didn't do any of the work. They literally

601
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: did all of it the work, and that is why,

602
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: you know, I just think, you know, I wrote something

603
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: the other day which sounds like a bit like spiritual psychobably,

604
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: but I say to people, I'm not the gift. I'm

605
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: just the conduit to the gift. It's like, I'm not

606
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: the answer, but I might have some answers for you.

607
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: And I think if you realize truly as a teacher,

608
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: as a coach, as a mentor whatever, if you realize

609
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: you're not the gift and you are just it is

610
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: a gift to be able to help people. I think that,

611
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: and that you might be a conduit or you might

612
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: open a door to help them. Then I think people

613
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: are going to and one, this is real. This is

614
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: not some manufactured fucking image that you know, Oh look

615
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: at me, I'm super humble, but this is how you are.

616
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: People just trust you. The nicest thing that people can

617
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: say to me, pretty much is when I meet them

618
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: away from this show, they go, oh, you're exactly the same.

619
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: I love that. They go, oh my god, you're exactly

620
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: the same. And I go, of course, you know, because

621
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: I imagine doing two thousand hours of podcasting where you're

622
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: pretending to be something you're not.

623
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: What's the difference and what are the similarities that you

624
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: find working with elite athletes or executives and everyday people.

625
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: Ah, well, obviously this is not the answer you're looking for.

626
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: But obviously they're all human, which means obviously they've all

627
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 1: got insecurity, self doubt, overthinking, self loathing periodically. But I think,

628
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, the common denominator across say, corporates and elite

629
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: athletes and maybe not so much the general public, but

630
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: will come. We'll circle back to that. As the kids say,

631
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: is that you know most people, in not all people,

632
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 1: but most people, depending on the level we're talking about

633
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: in corporate, are pretty ambitious. Most elite athletes are pretty ambitious.

634
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: They want to do more, be more, create more, succeed.

635
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: So I think there's that level of drive and motivation

636
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: that you don't necessarily find in everyone. And then you know,

637
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of the general public, you know, I think they

638
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: are motivated perhaps by different things, but also the general

639
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: public are elite athletes do and the general public are

640
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: business owners and all of that. But I think the

641
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: thing that you know, everybody wants to feel like they matter.

642
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to belong, everybody like nobody wants to be miserable.

643
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be successful. But I think the mistake

644
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: that we make, whether it's in the corporate space, the

645
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: elite sport sporting space, or the elite sports space, or

646
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: general public, is I think we put way too much

647
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: emphasis on including me, by the way, including me, We

648
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: put way too muchmphasis on external results, what people are

649
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: going to see, and we have way too much belief

650
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: in if I create this outcome, or I get that thing,

651
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: or I do that thing, that's just going to create

652
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: this incredible internal state of bliss, of harmony, of joy,

653
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: of contentment, of and it tends not to it tends

654
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: to be fleeting. You know. It's like you think of

655
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: all the boys that won the all the men that

656
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: won the AFL Grand Final two days ago, you think

657
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 1: that none of those in the next year are going

658
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: to get depressed or anxious or have a shit day

659
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: or like that's the sporting pinnacle for the biggest sport

660
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: in Australia and they won, And do you think they're

661
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: not going to have as many struggles in the next three, six,

662
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: twelve months as anyone?

663
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 2: I would say potentially even more more. Imagine now what

664
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: the baseline feels like. The baseline would feel like the

665
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: depths of despair. Imagine just coming back from cloud nine,

666
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: to just come back to baseline.

667
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually a there's a term for that which

668
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: escapes me. But yeah, it's that where we get to

669
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain and whatever we thought we

670
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: were going to experience at the top, we either don't

671
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: experience it or it's fleeting. And then so we had

672
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 1: this idea, and the idea was that when I get

673
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: to the top of the metaphoric mountain, whatever that means

674
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: for you that that is going to create some cataclysmic,

675
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: beautiful internal shift and then I am fuck. All the

676
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: ship that holds me back will diss of the anxiety

677
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,760
Speaker 1: and the self doubt and the overthinking and the rumor

678
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: nation that'll all disappear because my self esteem will be

679
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: amazing and people will know that I'm great now because

680
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: I did this thing and I own this and I

681
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: have that, and yeah, it's it just ain't true, and

682
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: that's why you know. It's Yeah, it's why you know.

683
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: Nobody looks across the room and identify somebody who's driving

684
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: a piece of shit and living in a one bedroom

685
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: apartment and says, oh, wow, have you They're a success

686
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: story because they're happy and they're content and they're calm

687
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: and they live in a state of perpetual equanimity. Right,

688
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: No one does that because we don't. We talk about that,

689
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: but we don't really value it. In our culture, we

690
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: really value things, which is why we look at people

691
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: and go, oh, wow, she's doing great or he's doing great.

692
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: What we mean is their career is awesome, or their

693
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: sporting prowess is amazing, or they're getting whatever. You know

694
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: that it's more about what they're doing and getting and

695
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: having than what's happening on that you know in that

696
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: real world, which is like what's going on inside you.

697
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: How many times have you looked like from outside you're

698
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: killing it and you're Sadi Max ads to for a

699
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: day or a week and you don't even know why,

700
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: and you like, even when you logically go, fuck, I've

701
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: got people who care about me. I've got enough stuff,

702
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: I own a few things, I make a pretty good wage.

703
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 1: And then it doesn't necessarily equate to this positive inner experience.

704
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: How influenced do you feel by the people that surround you?

705
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: And have you do you order that? Has there been

706
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 2: times you've noticed it? And have you made decisions to

707
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: distance yourself from relationships or environments due to how it

708
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: influences you?

709
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, wow, So I really care about people, and

710
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: I think my perspective on life and like purpose and

711
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: all of that is probably not better or not worse,

712
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: but not typical in that there are not many people

713
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 1: my age who don't have a wife, or who've never

714
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: had a wife or a partner, who don't have a

715
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: child or a grandchild or and who you know, So

716
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: my life in the sense of what is more normal

717
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: for you know, sixty year old blokes in suburbia. I'm

718
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: probably towards the other end of the scale, but I am.

719
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: I am slow to trust, as you know. That's not

720
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: in reference to you, but you know that like I don't.

721
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean I distrust everyone. I don't. I

722
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: have just and there's no what's the word, there's.

723
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: No selfdia that you don't that you question your ability

724
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: to trust to make the right trust call. Because that's

725
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: what I feel with me is it's not that I

726
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 2: don't trust the person, it's that I don't trust my judgment.

727
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably a better way I put it. Yeah,

728
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: now I like that. Yeah, I've just trusted people before

729
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't have trusted. And like I said, there's

730
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: nobody self pity and that just is what it is.

731
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 1: But then there's also been people that I really didn't

732
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: necessarily think much of or didn't think about that turned

733
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: out to be incredible humans, you know. So it's it

734
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: goes both ways. But I try to be I try

735
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: to be strategic and also intuitive, which they seem diametrically opposed.

736
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: I think they can be synergistic. I think strategy and

737
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: intuition can go hand in hand. But I try and

738
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: be strategic and intuitive about where and how I invest

739
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: my emotional energy in people, and so I try to,

740
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, like I can only do so much where

741
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm just giving, giving giving to someone, where I'm sitting

742
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: with someone who's got, you know, some really big challenges,

743
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: and I'm there and I can go, all right, well,

744
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 1: I can give you this time here, I can see

745
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: you between this time and this time, because then I

746
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: know thirty minutes after that, I've got a podcast that

747
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: I know straight after that, I've got three hours of UNI.

748
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: Then I know straight after that I've got to go

749
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: see my parents. So then you know, you can't be

750
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: everything to everyone. And I think your mental and emotional energy,

751
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: like mine, like every individual listener, it is a it

752
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: is not an infinite resource like it is finite. And

753
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: you know you're great, You're great, You're great, And now

754
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: I hit the wall. I'm fucked. I'm fucked. I don't

755
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: have any more energy. I need food, I need bed,

756
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: I need a reset, and then tomorrow and I'm up

757
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: and I'm fucking amazing. But I think we all need

758
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, like let's call that the

759
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: petrol for our car. Where the car, it's the petrol.

760
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: It's like, how much petrol do you need each day?

761
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: And what's the best way to drive that through the

762
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: day so that you can you can get the best

763
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: ROI return on investment based on who and how you

764
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: want to be. So I would rather do not that

765
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: I do coaching sessions per se much these days, but

766
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: I'd rather do three amazing ones than ten shit ones.

767
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: Even if it was, you know, a thousand dollars ahead.

768
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: You go, well, I'd mother rather make three grand than

769
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: ten grand. It's not by the way, everyone, I'm just

770
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: just so it's like you want to go, how like

771
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: what's my performance threshold? How much of this can I

772
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: do really well? It's like I would not try and

773
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: do seven podcasts today. Could I do them? Yes? Would

774
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: they all be? Well? I'm not guaranteeing this one's any good?

775
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: But you know what I mean, Like, the chances of

776
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: you doing one or two podcasts in a day, if

777
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 1: you're prepped and ready, and you're a mental and emotionally

778
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: in a good place, the chance of you doing one

779
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: or two good ones, so to speak, is high. If

780
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: you've got skill and all of that. But the chances

781
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: of you doing seven good ones, no chance, but zero zero,

782
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: And so you go, well, let's not do that. You know,

783
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: the chances of me going, all right, I'm going to

784
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: read this academic paper that's one hundred pages long. I'm

785
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: just going to sit here and read page one to

786
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: page hundred and well that's done, because by page seven

787
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: I'm fucking thinking about skateboards and I don't even skateboard.

788
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you need to go, you need

789
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: to go, all right, well, here's a thing I have

790
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 1: to do. I have to read this paper. Some people

791
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: probably could sit and read the hundred pages. I'm not

792
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: that person. So then you go, well, what's the best

793
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: way for me to do this? Well, probably a good

794
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: plan is read five pages at a time, you know,

795
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: read it, highlight it, circle stuff, underline stuff, and then

796
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: you know, it might take me four days, you know,

797
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: I might do twenty five pages a day. But I'm

798
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: reading it, I'm understanding it, I'm relating it to my

799
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: own research, I'm using it, you know. And that's you know,

800
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: just for an example. But yeah, I think that we

801
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: we can be quite inefficient and unwise with our own energy, mental, emotional,

802
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: physical energy, and then we wake up and we're like,

803
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: a fuck, I've been wasting time and wasting my potential

804
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: and wasting my energy. How do I be more strategic

805
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: and intelligent about using that in a way which produces

806
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: the outcomes I actually want? And also I'll shut up

807
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: after this. But also when it comes to us, we

808
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: like to think we're real, practical, logical, reasonal reasonable. We're

809
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: fucking not. We're more practical and reasonable and logical about

810
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: helping other people. You know, when you coach someone and

811
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: they rock up and they're like, here are the things

812
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: I need to deal with and talk about and I

813
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: need help on, it's pretty easy for you as a

814
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: coach to sit back because it's not you. They're not

815
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: your issues, it's not your life. So you sit back

816
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: as a coach and then you go, what about this?

817
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: What about that? It's all very and I'm the same.

818
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: But when it comes to me, well, I'm emotional about

819
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: my body. I'm emotional. When someone says you're a dick head,

820
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I don't think I'm overwhelmed by or

821
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: controlled by But for me to think that I'm the

822
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: exception to the rule that nothing affects me, that I'm

823
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: just this eye rise above all the emotional stuff that

824
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 1: derails everybody else. Well, that's arrogance, of course. So you've

825
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: got to go. Yeah, It's like, I've seen you emotional.

826
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: I've seen you irrational and emotional. I've been irrational and emotional.

827
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: And then I've seen you when you're just fucking in

828
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: the zone and you're just throwing three pointers basketball metaphor everyone,

829
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: and you're just throwing three point after three point after,

830
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: and your brain's on point and your energy is on point,

831
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: and your productivity is on point, and you're like, you're

832
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 1: fucking smashing it, you know. But that's nobody's doing that

833
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: every day, all day. So I think this comes back

834
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: into this, you know, like I said the start of

835
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: the show, the you project, the managing you, the self awareness,

836
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: all of this.

837
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: Did you when you were younger and you were looking

838
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 2: for mentors or insight or a path or a way

839
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: to go or influence, did you notice that? Did you

840
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: notice you might have put yourself into an environment and

841
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: then decided, actually, this is not what I want this.

842
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: I don't like the version of me that will come

843
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: out of this if I follow this path.

844
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: No, not really, I mean young young, young, like in

845
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: my teens, I didn't really have so much. I mean

846
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: I think you look for as a young teenager, you

847
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: look up to. I looked up to anyway, older teenagers

848
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: that I thought had their shit together or you know.

849
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: So there's that, and they're a role model without even

850
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: knowing they're a role model, you know. And you always

851
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: look up when you're a young boy. Not everyone does,

852
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: I guess. But you know, my dad was doing quite well.

853
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: He was quite successful. I always used to Dad was

854
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: not a great communicator, but he would like he taught

855
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: me things. And I spoke about this the other day,

856
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: or maybe about it. Dad taught me things through what

857
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: he did, you know, the way that he would the

858
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: way that he would navigate things. So I looked up.

859
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's like I told this. I can't remember

860
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: because I do so much stuff. But I spoke the

861
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: other day in some forum about when I was fourteen,

862
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: i'd already spent a couple of years working in my parents'

863
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: hardware store after school and on weekends and during school holidays.

864
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: They had quite a big hardware store in La Trivalian.

865
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: One summer I went to work there, and and Dad said,

866
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: if you basically I need he needed another employee for

867
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: the summer, and he said, I will you can be

868
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: that employee if you work like a man and produce

869
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: like a man or an adult. Right if you you know,

870
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: if you can do the work of an adult, I

871
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: will pay you an adult age. And I was fourteen

872
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: years old, and this is so nineteen to seventy seven.

873
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: I got paid one hundred and forty dollars a week,

874
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: which back then was mind blowing, like mind blowing, and

875
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: he didn't have to do that. But what I learned was,

876
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: oh cool, if I make a big effort, there's actually

877
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: a reward. But if I hadn't of he wouldn't have

878
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: given it to me. But he realized that I was

879
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: like when I was fourteen. I was also quite mature

880
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: for my age. Because I was an only child. I

881
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time around adults, and I always

882
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: grew up in and around businesses, so I kind of

883
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: got it right. But yeah, and so that kind of

884
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: role modeling where I'm more interested in what people are

885
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: doing than necessarily telling me, you know. And then there

886
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: was other the more cheesy ones. And people will now

887
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: roll their eyes. But for me, like even someone like

888
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: I started reading self help books when nobody read, well,

889
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: no seventeen year old was reading. I read a book

890
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: called Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, which was

891
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: not the greatest book, but it was the start of

892
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: a book. It was like part of the start of

893
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: my journey. There was another book called very famous. A

894
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: lot of young people never heard of it. It's called

895
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: How to Win Friends and Influence People, which is a

896
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: cheesy title.

897
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that, yeah.

898
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: Written by Dale Carnegie in nineteen thirty six. I listened

899
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: to Tony Robbins, I wore his tapes out. I listened

900
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: to old school Deepak chow bra I listen. I just

901
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: listened to people that I love the way they thought.

902
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: I fell in love with people's minds, right. I fell

903
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: in love with people who would basically suggest that, oh,

904
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe I don't have to be this fat, insecure, inadequate

905
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: underachiever growing up in rural Victoria. Maybe. And by the way,

906
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: nobody said that to me like that was my that

907
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: was I said that to me, right, So it's not

908
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: like Craig was this victim of no. I wasn't. My

909
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: life was actually fine, but my opinion of me was

910
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: so fucking underwhelming that when I would hear these people

911
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: who came from not great beginnings to do these things

912
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: that you know, it's just listening to Tony Robbins that

913
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: the amount of times I heard him talk about, you know,

914
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: how he lived in this four hundred square foot which

915
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: is twenty by twenty one bedroom apartment in Santa Monica,

916
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: and all these stories that I heard of him and

917
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: all the fuck ups and all that, And I'm like, well,

918
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: if he can be shitting and then some come something,

919
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: I can be shitting and become something also. So that's

920
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: why I think storytelling is so powerful. That's why I think.

921
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, why do people listen to so

922
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: many podcasts, Why don't they just listen to Why don't

923
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: they just go read the data in the research because

924
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: it's fucking boring and you can't remember it, and you

925
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: can't apply it, you can't understand it a lot of it.

926
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: But what you can do is you can listen to

927
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: people that you resonate with who have got stories and

928
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: thoughts and ways of expressing information or strategies or whatever

929
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: that resonates with you, which is why, you know, God

930
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: love him. I don't know why, but it's why some

931
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: people have listened to every episode. It's why people consistently say,

932
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, we love the show. And then there are

933
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: other people for whom it won't resonate, of course, but

934
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: good chat, cook, good chat. We started slow, We started slow,

935
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: We reached.

936
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: A we didn't like the conversation on tires.

937
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't mind that. I didn't mind that.

938
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: It's funny when you do this right. We should probably

939
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: hang up, but we're going to keep talking. Everyone just

940
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: from it, you know, Like I said to you, like

941
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: one of the challenges of an everyday show is, you know,

942
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: trying not to be too repetitive. And I absolutely recognize

943
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: even Joe Rogan that I listened to literally some of

944
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: Joe's stories I've heard him tell twenty times. I could

945
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: tell this story because I know it, because it's But

946
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: what happens is he'll get a guest in. The guest

947
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: doesn't know the story, so he tells the story again

948
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: to the guest. But then those of us who have

949
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: heard a million whatevers. But yeah, you try to be

950
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,720
Speaker 1: of course, you're going to keep exploring the human experience.

951
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: To human condition and all of those things, But you think,

952
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: what do we do today? How do we talk about

953
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: this in a way which is not overly repetitive, and

954
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: especially when it's you and me, or especially when it's yesterday,

955
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: I did a I did just a solo, and the

956
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: amount of times I've done it just me where I

957
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 1: think I might spend four hours thinking about what door

958
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: can I open that I haven't opened, or at least

959
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to bore me. I don't

960
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: want to bore our listeners. And what can I give

961
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: that's like a bit different or it's valuable or.

962
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: You know.

963
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: What was I can't even remember what I spoke about

964
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: today in today's episode, but yeah, it was just quite different.

965
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I like this, and there I often

966
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: start where now especially I go, look, I don't know

967
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: the answers. I'm about to have a conversation about shit

968
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: that I'm not totally sure about, but I'm interested and

969
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm curious, and I go, so, this is what I'm

970
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: talking about. This is what I think. I don't know

971
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: what you think, but this is what I think. And

972
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: I think that that kind of approach for many people

973
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: that more conversational think out loud. I think that works

974
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: for people, yeah, rather than the daily tutorial, you know.

975
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I love it. I actually listen. I hadn't

976
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: listened to Joe Rogan for a long time and I

977
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: listened recently, and that was what I loved about it.

978
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that idea of I

979
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: feel and with Rogan, he does, love him or hate him,

980
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And he has guests that I'm like, I'm out.

981
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes he says stuff I'm like, nah, disagree sometimes like

982
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: that's funny. But I just I like the idea of

983
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: just listening to a real conversation. And if you don't

984
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: think that those conversations are real, you haven't listened to him,

985
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: because you know there are. It is just you cannot

986
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: script or rehearse that because they're so fucking long. Yeah,

987
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: I mean three, three and a half four. There was

988
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: one I listened to one. It was five hours. It's

989
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: a five hour podcast and he's done over two thousand

990
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: of them, you know, And it's sometimes it's rambling sometimes

991
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: and for me, I'm just walking sometimes and I've just

992
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: got these blokes chatting in the background, or this bloke

993
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: and some lady chatting in the background. So anyway, love

994
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: you everyone. Thanks for hanging around, Tiff, it's been terrific.

995
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: We'll say goodbye a fair but thank you

996
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: Thanks Harbs, thanks everyone,