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Speaker 1: a boy allegedly stabbed an eighteen year old taken to

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Speaker 1: hospital for treatment of serious injuries, his family having holding

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Speaker 1: and operations overnight. Just appalling really that this sort of

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Speaker 1: thing can happen. Now, we were to speak with someone

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Speaker 1: to throw it open to you. Were you there, were

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Speaker 1: only a few months ago on a Sunday afternoon and

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Speaker 1: youths got into each other. That's before the courts as well.

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Speaker 1: Police have charged a fourteen year old. This is from

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Speaker 1: Salisbury East with a fray and the older two with

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Speaker 1: the assault causing serious harm. The stabbed teen described as

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Speaker 1: a beautiful kid. In fact, this is the victim's brother

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Speaker 2: Beautiful kid, amazing grades.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm say Max, He's such a beautiful kid.

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Speaker 2: He's never done anything love of this and nothing's ever

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Speaker 2: like this happened.

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Speaker 1: He's got all a's in his school.

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Speaker 2: He's beautiful and most beautiful kid I know.

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Speaker 1: And people who are at Elizabeth again thanks to seven.

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Speaker 1: He had a knife and I kind of came up

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Speaker 3: Filling really emotional because he was one of my close

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Speaker 1: Greas they feel a shame, you know, like.

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Speaker 3: Kids like blue kids nowadays doing all this gang and

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Speaker 1: You know, and that is the perception. Certainly. Let's have

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Speaker 1: good morning, Oh matthe going good? Thank you? I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there's any easy answer to this is there.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think there is. There's definitely things

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Speaker 2: mean the trends that we're seeing here are increasing in

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Speaker 2: the carriage of edge weapons. And it's not just nice something.

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Speaker 2: We're talking screwdrivers, We're talking nail files worth sadly even

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Speaker 1: Shee whiz. How do police get on top of this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean with a couple of things. One, I

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Speaker 2: But I mean, the other part has got to be

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Speaker 2: the continued education support. I mean, you're talking about tragic

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's including the injured person who news reports say

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Speaker 2: Cout, no, I mean, and the other part as well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely not good for shoppers obviously. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: No, I mean. And the other part is, I mean

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good point. And then you know,

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Speaker 2: And there's got no idea what's happened to look at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, likewise, Scott Taylor, Security expert Presidium. John's called in

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Speaker 3: I saw that on TV this morning, and I've seen

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Speaker 3: others in other shopping centers. I think it's time the

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Speaker 3: government's brought down a law that charges the parent of

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, look, parents have a role to play. There's

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Speaker 1: Mick in Townsville says, read the stabbing in the Queensland

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Speaker 1: Why isn't this stabbing attempted murder? Nothing will happen to

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Speaker 1: big no no in terms of you won't hear it

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Speaker 1: read my text Hi Jack, thanks for sending it in regardless,

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Speaker 1: then this happened at two thirty out of Elizabeth, and

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Speaker 1: One charged with theft granted bail. That's the bit that

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Speaker 1: this violent behavior. About a simple solution, enforcing a suitable

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Speaker 1: hear what you're saying. No argument with that at all,

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Speaker 1: except to note there have been any number of punishments

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Speaker 1: added in the last ten twenty years. I recall going

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Speaker 1: to a media conference with Mike ran As Premiere announcing

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Speaker 1: tougher knife laws. Has it changed anything?

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 1: Really, not at all. I mean they still get hold

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Speaker 1: of them for a start. I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: answer is there, except maybe what Mick from Townsville suggests.

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Speaker 1: You're aged over. I don't know what fourteen twelve thirteen

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Speaker 1: you commit a youth an adult crime, you do the

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Speaker 1: adult time that would make sense. I reckon