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Speaker 1: The big Footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: In the words of in Sync, Bye Bye Byes, the

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Speaker 2: five week by Fiesta is over, with nine game rounds

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Speaker 2: returning this weekend. It means we say a big hello

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Speaker 2: and welcome to run Home season. And while the race

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Speaker 2: for eighth seems down to only nine, there are so

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Speaker 2: many possibilities that could play out across those nine spots

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Speaker 2: between now and round twenty four and a half. Considering

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Speaker 2: that's when gold Cos and Estenim will play, we'll have

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Speaker 2: the full run Home state of play, dissect all the

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Speaker 2: big issues in faar or fast, take your questions in

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Speaker 2: the mailbag, deep dive into the wisdom of Kevin Sheedy,

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Speaker 2: and bring you all the latest expert tips and cups.

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Speaker 2: In a rather large edition of the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Ben Wadeweth with you, as is Foxfooty dot com dot

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Speaker 2: a U Chief Run Home correspondent Max Lord, and Hello Mack.

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Speaker 3: Certainly Ben Hello, I was more of a five man myself,

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Speaker 3: five with the A Star on the eye a number

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Speaker 3: or yeah, I think they were one of my first concerts.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, over in s think I

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Speaker 3: would have thought you would have been a Backstreet Boys

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Speaker 3: man him, them and Robbie Williams. Robbie of course.

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Speaker 2: Also joining us as a man who decided to spend

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Speaker 2: his Sunday off watching Richmond get dumped in the thump

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Speaker 2: rather in the cold well. Jack Jovinovski, Hello.

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Speaker 4: Jack, Hello, guys. Dumped is also adequate, and it would

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Speaker 4: be two straight sundays. I did that if you Counterdogs

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Speaker 4: lost last week, but yes, very glad to be here.

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Speaker 2: What was the better performance out of the lost to

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Speaker 2: the Bulldogs or the lost to the Adelaide Crows.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if that deserves an answer.

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Speaker 3: Asking which animal droppings are best?

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Speaker 5: Is it not? Pretty much? Pretty much?

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Speaker 4: I like being at the g more though, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: Fling into the stereotype of Richmond fans.

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Speaker 2: I think we had kind of all expected this from

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Speaker 2: a Richmond perspective, though we saw some really good signs

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Speaker 2: in the first six seven weeks. They look young and tired, though, yeah.

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Speaker 4: They looked very tired going to the by have liked

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Speaker 4: to have seen a little bit more vibrancy coming out

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Speaker 4: of the BI haven't seen that, but I'm also very

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Speaker 4: glad to see I We'll be glad to see Samuelula

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of energy from one player in particular,

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Speaker 3: probably too much energy on to do Thomas that has

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Speaker 3: sent him to the tribunal.

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Speaker 2: Tomlin shedding of the tribunal as we record in about

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Speaker 2: three hours time. He's looking at a four or five week.

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Speaker 3: We think the AFL is likely to ask for five

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Speaker 3: review and chose not to and said the director referral instead,

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Speaker 3: So it sounds like five maybe more. It actually shouldn't

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Speaker 3: be a contentious one was talking about it was either before.

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Speaker 3: These aren't the ones that go on for hours and

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Speaker 3: hours because everyone agrees he did something wrong. It's just

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Speaker 3: a matter of the sanction. It's like the it's the

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Speaker 3: ones where was this a bump or not? That's when

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Speaker 3: we get the long here yea, So it should be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Richmond, you think will somewhat fall on their sword.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of what penalty they're sort of seeking.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can throw yourself at the mercy and try

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Speaker 3: and beak the leniency and that often works, minimizing the

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Speaker 3: sanction a bit. Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if that

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Speaker 2: Adam Use said post game that he didn't see the

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Speaker 4: They never do, no, They rarely ever see that.

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Speaker 3: They don't have the boxes. A lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: Buy Sound and Champion Dharps.

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Speaker 3: There's a braille readout of the game which they use.

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Speaker 2: He did say though, that Tom Lynch might be getting

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Speaker 3: What was it, zero touches and five free kicks against

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Speaker 2: Not would the super Coach score be right down on

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Speaker 2: Across round sixteen, tipping basically went to plan yep, most

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Speaker 2: Footy competition. So what did that mean for the Run

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Speaker 3: Hopefully, despite debuting so late in the season, it can

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Speaker 3: What it means is that GWS has projected ninth.

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Speaker 2: Because that was one of my questions down here, hearing

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Speaker 3: I do well. I think a lot of that is

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Speaker 3: There's certainly a chance They've got quite a few easy

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Speaker 3: ish games like this week against West Coast where they

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Speaker 3: absolutely should win. So they should get to thirteen wins.

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Speaker 3: All of these teams should get to thirteen wins. That's

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Speaker 3: what makes this so intriguing. It's whether, for the first

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Speaker 3: out on fourteen wins. That's entirely possible. This year if

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Speaker 3: these things happen, we don't know who. That's what makes

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Speaker 3: and say who's more likely to make it? And that's

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Speaker 2: Right now, Okay, who are the Giants competing with? Competing

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Speaker 2: with in inverted commas in terms of finishing outside the

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Speaker 3: Eight, So definitely Frio. So we have this interesting fixture

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Speaker 3: this week where it's top nine bottom nine in every game. Right,

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Speaker 3: if they lose that game and all the other favorites win,

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Speaker 3: I will be projecting Freo just to miss the eight.

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Speaker 3: That's how close the projections are right now. It's one

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Speaker 3: point four wins roughly between first between third and ninth.

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Speaker 3: So results will change these the order every week, so

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Speaker 3: don't yell at me when it changes. It's just because

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Speaker 3: the results happened. So Frio is definitely at risk because

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Speaker 3: they've got quite a few hard games and one of

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Speaker 2: Hawthorne got a hard draw and I know our colleague

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Speaker 2: Josh Barnes at the Herald Sun had Hawthorne missing out.

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Speaker 2: Hawthorne do interestingly though, Jack one of the teams now

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Speaker 2: in the premiership window. Well, they sort of have been

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Speaker 4: I think the Ford line is going to be the

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Speaker 3: That was the first time on Saturday against North they

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Speaker 3: they had some impressive wins there werefore. I know, they

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Speaker 3: bit and then they thrashed North by a million points.

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Speaker 2: That's what they were doing, which you put a lot

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Speaker 3: And it means a lot because of their percentage, because

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Speaker 3: their percentage was down there with Farroh and Giants around

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Speaker 3: one hundred and ten. Now it's one hundred and eighteen,

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Speaker 3: so that's a genuine advantage. If we're going to have

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Speaker 3: a tie on thirteen or fourteen wins, that could be

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Speaker 3: the difference between a home final and away elimination final

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Speaker 3: or missing entirely, so that really matters. The injuries are

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Speaker 3: a problem. Will Day already missing and now Josh Weddle

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at the Hawks ficture. There no so easy, obvious,

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Speaker 3: they should beat some Kilda this week. They should beat

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Speaker 3: Carton of the G, they should beat Melbourne at the G.

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Speaker 3: But none of those are default tips. You'll you'll have

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Speaker 3: a question mark over those games.

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Speaker 2: So there's no games against the bottom three teams for

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Speaker 3: It's those and then they have games against contenders Frero away,

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Speaker 3: they get the job done in those four games. They

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Speaker 3: should win agast the bottom nine. Then the Hawks will

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Speaker 3: have fourteen wins pretty good percentage. They should play finals,

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Speaker 3: but they're at risk because of that, and there are

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Speaker 4: So I think we haven't seen the Giants play consistently

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Speaker 5: Be in the teams. I'd be more concerned about it.

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Speaker 2: A nice little primetime exposure I think for the back

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting optimism from them.

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Speaker 1: strong edition of Australia's favorite segment, Fair or Fast Max Bottom.

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Speaker 2: Brad Lloyd's airport press conference on Friday was a glimpse

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Speaker 3: Fair or Fast take me through, take the listeners through

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Speaker 2: Specifically, Brad Lloyd, the general manager of football for Carlton,

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Speaker 2: I didn't quite go that, which is not wrong.

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Speaker 2: So they announced on Monday that Graham right, he's got

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Speaker 3: Ye, I think it is so like just before round

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Speaker 2: And they're going to jack. What was the president's line yesterday? Calm, calm, rational,

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Speaker 4: How much do we read into him starting earlier than

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Speaker 4: I think it's probably the right thing to do, and

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Speaker 3: Seen a week's worth of Harold sunheadlines in the future,

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Speaker 4: not even.

437
00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 3: If a godfather offer came down from West Coast. Three

438
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 3: first round picks.

439
00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 4: That's pretty it's interesting. I don't think when he's coming down, No,

440
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,199
Speaker 4: that makes no sense with them.

441
00:19:59,240 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 3: Don't do that West Coast.

442
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you.

443
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 4: Can make the argument that just about every other player

444
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 4: than the captain. But I feel like he's been through

445
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,160
Speaker 4: it all and had and has and as he's publicly said,

446
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 4: he's been through this sort of public sort of scrutiny

447
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,440
Speaker 4: a couple of times now, whether it's been to the

448
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 4: Brendan Bolton or David Tigan now and now VOSSI. So

449
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be completely opposed to taking calls on you know,

450
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,760
Speaker 4: your Charlie Kurno's or your probably Harry Hary McKay first

451
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,719
Speaker 4: and foremost. But yeah, I mean interesting to Jordan Yne

452
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,720
Speaker 4: Jago Smith. But and I tend to agree that I

453
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 4: don't think he's like just because he's been out the

454
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 4: entire year. I don't think if he if he wasn't

455
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 4: that he'd be the answer to to their issues.

456
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 3: He'd be one of the answers.

457
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 5: He could be a solution. But there are more than

458
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 5: there's more than one problem.

459
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: I think he of all the draft prospects last year,

460
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 2: he was the player I thought most ready made to

461
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 2: play in opening round round one.

462
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 3: And that's why a team in their premishire position traded

463
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 3: up for him. Yeah, right, but they knew he would

464
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 3: be an outside runner that they needed for that group

465
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: because they.

466
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:07,920
Speaker 5: Have some flaws.

467
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 3: I think the risk with this was Jordan Lewis's suggestion

468
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 3: on on the Couch. By the way, we're not just

469
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 3: floating this out of a mid air. The risk would

470
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 3: be trading Crips would be the equivalent of probably not

471
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 3: as big because we're only a minnow in the sporting landscape.

472
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 3: But it's the Luca don Chic trail because what that

473
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 3: did from a basketball perspective, maybe if you squint and

474
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 3: you really believe in the GM, you could make the case.

475
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 3: From a hearts and minds perspective, you destroy a fan

476
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 3: base because they love Patrick Cripps Blues fans understandably so,

477
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 3: and that would ruin them even no matter what picks

478
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 3: they got back, no matter if those picks turn into stars.

479
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 3: Eventually those players would have the pressure of the world

480
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 3: upon them if they were the ones who were replacing

481
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 3: Patrick Cripps.

482
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 4: I think the only difference to note there is that

483
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 4: Luca is an ascending player.

484
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 3: I think, trust me, it's much worse.

485
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:58,400
Speaker 5: Yes.

486
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: Part of the reason I think maybe Jordy floated it

487
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 4: was because Crips is not ascending, right, Like, I think

488
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 4: we've seen the best of Crips previously. Well, I don't

489
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 4: think he's got more to give than what he's given, Yes,

490
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 4: so I can see from that perspective.

491
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,679
Speaker 5: So yeah, but.

492
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 4: I think there's no doubt that Grahame Right's going to

493
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 4: come in and be aggressive and be willing to consider,

494
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 4: you know, brave, ambitious trade and list calls.

495
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 5: And I think that's what the Blues require.

496
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: If you're playing AFL twenty five and you're playing franchise

497
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: mode or whatever that game has, you'd consider the.

498
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: Trade you haven't played you still haven't played it.

499
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 3: No, I didn't get a code, and disappointing that.

500
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 2: Max the scg's calculated gamble has backfired and it's time

501
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 2: to wait for a time to say goodbye to Andrea concerts.

502
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: Fair or fast, just in time for Mother's Day. The

503
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: new album. I'm sure it's on sale now in every

504
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:00,160
Speaker 3: kmart near you, every sanity.

505
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 5: JV.

506
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: That's way to GMV Borders. Maybe do they still CDs

507
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: who remembers Borders? No one, They've stuff this went up

508
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: a bit, haven't they. Yes, CG in the AF I

509
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: understand that growing grass is not as easy as it

510
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: may sound. But to get the SG in that sort

511
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: of position months or why, months past that concert, which

512
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: theoretically did a lot of damage, It's pretty crazy, isn't it.

513
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: And immediately ruling out any idea of moving the game

514
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 3: is weird when you haven't had time to inspect it yet.

515
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 3: You know, the Swans were pretty adamant on Saturday that

516
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: know the game will not be moved. We will be

517
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: playing it at our home ground, which I guess I

518
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 3: can understand from their perspective because they want homeground advantage.

519
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 2: But they were very tight lipped immediately after the match

520
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: around the state of the surface, and I think they've obviously.

521
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: Their medium boss was tweeting about saying no. Jadwick was

522
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 3: tweeting saying that we're playing the game there, So that's interesting.

523
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: So look that I don't think they're going to move

524
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: the game to Giants Stadi, to NG or certainly not

525
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: to Home Bush. No, because that stadium would not be

526
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: ready and sucks, so they couldn't even play there if

527
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 3: they wanted to.

528
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: What I find interesting about this is we haven't so

529
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 4: this concert that we keep referring back to is was

530
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: on April three. Yes, I know they've at least played

531
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 4: Adelaide at the SCG since then, but this wasn't something

532
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 4: that was on the agenda really in this time since

533
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 4: up until the Bulldogs game.

534
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: I think did Jared say though that the Carlton game

535
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: it looked a bit iffy then, but it had gotten worse.

536
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, and there were questions raised by Port players after

537
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: the Port game in round six.

538
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: Yep, so has it get worse? So the SCG curator

539
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 2: was on three W afterwards and talked about the species.

540
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: Didn't blame it all on the weather, but they've had

541
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: a lot of rain in recent times. They just haven't

542
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: had a chance.

543
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 3: To not a great week of weather coming up. No,

544
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: some sort of radars have looked brilli weather bomb whatever

545
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: the Bureau of Meteorology bombus some thing they were calling it.

546
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what that even means. It's very online.

547
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a lot of it was down to

548
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: the large amount of rain that Sydney had had in

549
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: recent times and that hadn't given them the chance to

550
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: repair the turf properly or regrow the turf.

551
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 3: Okay, they've had a lot of good games there this year,

552
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: just looking at the scg's record for the Swans have

553
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 3: played seven games there and six of them in decided

554
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 3: by twenty points or less. So it's not like it's

555
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 3: ruining the quality of football. The Bullocks game was great.

556
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 2: It was like a game of the round.

557
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: Probably it sucked that everyone kept falling over, but it

558
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 3: made the game fun.

559
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it did.

560
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: That's a plus.

561
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: Speaking of players falling over, you should have seen Jared

562
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 2: Heally around the office on Saturday after watching the Hawthorne

563
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: North Melbourne game. He could not believe the amount of players.

564
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: He couldn't imagine the players falling over. Jack sin Kilda

565
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: has made the right call to prioritize Nasaiah Wang name

566
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: Millerer over Miles Berben fair or fast as broken by

567
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: Fox Footy dot Com us Will Fork.

568
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it's the right call. So if

569
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 4: this is what is happening, and and they're just putting

570
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: a lot of their eggs into the Nassiah basket, I

571
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 4: think that's probably the best basket of them all to

572
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: put the eggs into. I think he's he's the egg basket. Yeah,

573
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know really.

574
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: Softness, free range, Well that's the eggs. That doesn't describe

575
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: the woven nicely.

576
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, woman, fuzzy sort of operations, emotions. Uh yeah, Like

577
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: I think Nasaiah is the player that you want to

578
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 4: prioritize all all. I think long term, Miles Bergmann could

579
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 4: be the best player when you're talking about him, Nassiah,

580
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 4: T d K, potentially Lekala. I think Bergmann his his

581
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: ability to play as an inside midfielders, as uncovered this

582
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 4: season is is a suit betrayed. I don't know if

583
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 4: he's going to be like a real game breaker type midfielder,

584
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 4: but clearly he's shown that he can play that position

585
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: and he's going to be a really strong player. But

586
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 4: I think as of right now, if you have to

587
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: prioritize you know, money, you know for one of them.

588
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 4: I think it's still the sireh. So I think it's

589
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 4: probably the right call.

590
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: And it also just makes sense to try and keep

591
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: your own player first instead of the bother of having

592
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 3: to trade for Bergman or whatever it may.

593
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: And Asia is one of the sort of rare A

594
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: grade commodities Honest and Kilda list for a long time

595
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: and as clearly likes playing under ross Line. He's doing

596
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 2: great things under ross line, clearly won a lot of

597
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 2: pundits over with his ability to break lines either with

598
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: his with his run and carry or he's kicking.

599
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: So are you asking a question from the Bergman perspective?

600
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: We should we discussed that.

601
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: Now, what do you think? Do you think Bergman wouldn't

602
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: be the right quarter of stay of Port Adelaide until

603
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: free agent?

604
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: I think this is the move of a man who

605
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: is coming back to Victoria in two years time, because

606
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 3: otherwise you would have taken the long term deal. The

607
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: only exception would be if you are I mean, he's

608
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: taking this short term deal and betting on himself to

609
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: be an even better player in two years time when

610
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: he reaches free agency and go from what's probably a

611
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: million dollars a year over the next couple of years

612
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: to one point four one point five whatever it may be.

613
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: He's believing in himself to do that. But you probably

614
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: if you really truly staying at Port Adelaide, you just

615
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: signed the deal now and you lock in eight nine

616
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 3: million and that's your life set.

617
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: But is he is he going? Is he going to

618
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: free agency though, to ensure that he's well remunerated as

619
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: you mentioned just then not necessarily. If he might get

620
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: trying it to free agency and stay at Port and

621
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 2: try and ensure that he gets well remunerated by Port Adelaide.

622
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: Well that's possible. But I think I read this as

623
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 3: I'm coming home, but not yet.

624
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have the same thoughts then with Matt Rowe,

625
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: who just signed a two year deal to stay at

626
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 2: Gold Coast and Agency.

627
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 3: I think it's about the same thing. I think, certainly

628
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 3: with Gold Coast more than Port Adelaide. You look at

629
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: that list and go, all right, we're going to be

630
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: good for a while, like staying at Port, You're not

631
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: staying at Port right now for success. So they look

632
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: like a mid table team for a couple of years

633
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: because they're not going to be bad, but they're not

634
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: going to be great. Whereas Gold Coast the arrow is

635
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: clearly pointing up. But for real it makes sense to

636
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: try and win a flag.

637
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 4: Do you think Bergman's been sold a short term vision

638
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 4: by Josh Carr that he can play in the midfield

639
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: alongside Horn, Francis and Butters because Rosie's worked so well

640
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 4: off half back and they're technically speaking, I would say

641
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 4: they're still in that window where you've got the players,

642
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: you've got the talent to win. Now you give it

643
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: two more years and we're only seeing the surf like

644
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 4: he's just I think Bergman is scratching his surface of

645
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 4: what he can be as a pure ball getter, and

646
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 4: he's going to naturally increase his value in the next

647
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 4: two years anyway. And if he's been told by Carr

648
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: and co. That he's got that rain in the midfield

649
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 4: with Horn Francis and with Butters, then that's why he's

650
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 4: been persuaded in the last few weeks to have a

651
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 4: change of heart, because it sounds like, you know, a

652
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 4: few weeks ago that he was probably more likely to

653
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: go than stay, even on a short term.

654
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: He's playing more midfield time right now, and that's convinced

655
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: him perhaps.

656
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I also think he's played well enough that

657
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 4: it warrants a look at him in that role longer term.

658
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: I think he's the best AFL player as a midfielder then,

659
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: as you know, like an more intercepting back half player,

660
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: even though he's still very good playing that role anyway.

661
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, por just just does seem to find those blokes.

662
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: And he's a different size as well. Horn Francis is

663
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: a ball, right, but Berger's got that little bit more

664
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: height same compared to Butters and Rosies. Obviously, his kicking

665
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: is being well utilized on the outside of the moment.

666
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: This is the thing with Port. If they do keep

667
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 3: all of these guys and then maybe they add one more,

668
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: because they still wouldn't mind wae Ganna Miller themselves, that

669
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: would be nice. They would have arguably the best young

670
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 3: five players in the comps as like a quintete. Yeah,

671
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: that's a promising thing to build off.

672
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: Speaking of good young players, Max oh Joel Frasier is

673
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: looming as one of the all time great AFL draft

674
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: bargains or.

675
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: Fast Well, he's the best player from the last two drafts,

676
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: right now.

677
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: Is he not pick forty five according to the numbers.

678
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: Yes, according to the AFL player ratings this year, Joel

679
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,479
Speaker 3: Fraser as well written about in AFL talking Points by

680
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: Jack He's polming incredibly well for a player that I

681
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: think what was the view of him in his draft

682
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: year that he had potential but just hadn't shown.

683
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: Oh, his talent was. His talent was certainly there. There

684
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: was a game where he kicked six from twenty six disposals.

685
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Earlier on in the year, he had a really good

686
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 2: start to his Coach Talent League campaign with the Rebels

687
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: Greater Western Victoria and then had a big Country National

688
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: Championships where he was subpar according to a lot of recruiters,

689
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: and then didn't kick on in the back half of

690
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: the year. And it probably the narrative around Joel was

691
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: more lack of competitiveness, which was which was interesting as

692
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: well because he had the versatility to play different positions.

693
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: He played for kick six played in a I think

694
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: when he kicked six and twenty six he played in

695
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: a wing and went forward. Players also had times as

696
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: a rebound. I clearly had some midfield traits as well,

697
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: but just the lack of he speaks to recruiters, and

698
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: this is especially especially with key forwards. If you can't compete,

699
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: it's a massive turnoff for recruiters. So Joel's obviously not

700
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: a key forward, but the lack of competitives, I think

701
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: in the modern game is a big turnoff for recruiters.

702
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 2: They could I think he was always going to get drafted,

703
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: but I don't think that was a massive surprise to

704
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: anyone on Draft night and recruiters that he slipped to

705
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: pick forty five.

706
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: Is that one of those traits where recruiters look at

707
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: it and go, all right, I can't aspire for you

708
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: to be great if I don't see that right now?

709
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: Yeah? When and Adam Simpson said on SCN on Saturday

710
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: that competitiveness, Yeah, competitives is hard to teach.

711
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 3: You just have that basically within you.

712
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's often an innate thing, but to actually teach

713
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: it at AFL level is remarkable. But the thing is

714
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: that his competitiveness since he's come into the Western Bulldog

715
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: setup has never been questioned. So I think full hats

716
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: off here to the Dogs development coaches and team and

717
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: Luke Beveridge that they've been able to get him to

718
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: this point so quickly in his AFL journey, and it

719
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: was interesting that his excellent gaming in Sydney in the

720
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: weekend came on the same night where Riley Sanders, who's

721
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: had his doubters and was taken the same draft nearly

722
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: forty picks earlier, had his best game as well. Lockie

723
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: Bramble also had one of his best games. Mack Kennedy

724
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: was sort of held throughout the night a little bit,

725
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 2: but still kicked two from fifteen, so the Dog showed

726
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: they had some good solid depth there when the likes

727
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: of Bontipelly was okay, Libber was okay, Richards was well

728
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: held by James Jordan. So I think yea, the Dogs

729
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: have done a terrific job to develop the depth of

730
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: their list to get them to this position that they're

731
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: in now.

732
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: Which is why they could afford to have last year's

733
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: trade period where they let McCrae and Daniel on those

734
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 3: guys leave, because they knew that they had enough talent

735
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 3: coming through that the midfield, which was already bursting at

736
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: the seams, had easy refills.

737
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: Imagine if Bally Smith was still there as well.

738
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: Ridiculous It was a fair trade, It was don't dispute.

739
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 4: That interesting point in touch on as well been with

740
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 4: the competitiveness of Frasier. Do you think it's you touch

741
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 4: on the coaching point. Do you think part of the

742
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 4: competitive piece is the fact that they started him as

743
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 4: a defender maybe to you know, hone him that craft

744
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 4: because as you note, he had the goal sense and

745
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: if he's going to be a midfielder at AFL level

746
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 4: long term, like we know that teams coaches they love

747
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: these midfielders who are jewel threats so they can go

748
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: forward into the scoreboard. Right, so we've already seen it

749
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: can do that clearly, But maybe wasn't learning that defensive

750
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 4: side of the game first to be able to then

751
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: instill the trustings coaching his coaches that he could then

752
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 4: play in the midfield and more of a Ford for I.

753
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: Think it's a fair point from it from a different perspective,

754
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: they've put Harry North Melbourne put Harry She's on and

755
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: then Cobby mkirche to half back to start their careers.

756
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: Even though mccirch was definitely a midfielder and She's it

757
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: was more a Ford midfielder, a Ford pinch hit midfielder.

758
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: During their respective drafts and Fino Sullivan has sort of

759
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: started on a wing cross half forward as well. So yeah,

760
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: I think the Dogs made it a wise carter starting

761
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: down back, but he also had the talent to play

762
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: dan back and you see his ability to take territory

763
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: and take ground. I think they've done a terrific development job.

764
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: So if you're doing a redraft of twenty twenty three

765
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 3: right now, first off, it's way too early, but let's

766
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: do it anyway. Adelaide fans are screaming at their phones

767
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: that Dan Kurtin just had his best game, so he'd

768
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 3: be right up there.

769
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: He would be still nowhere near one or two for mine.

770
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 3: That's fair. Harley Reid picked one obviously, Yeah, I think so.

771
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

772
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 3: Then I'm just to list out the top five. Colby mckircher,

773
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: Jed Walter, Zane Durzmer, Nick Watson, and then you look

774
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 3: at kayleb Wins had a good first year at Melbourne,

775
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 3: Ethan Reid, Nate Caddy has shown signs, Connor Oro Sullivan

776
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: showing signs. It's a good top ten, but Frager has

777
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 3: to be in.

778
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: He has to be right up there. Speaking of Nick Watson,

779
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 2: Jack Nick Watson will want North Melbourne for a very

780
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: long time. Fair or fast?

781
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: Is he a ghost?

782
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: Yes?

783
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 3: Of drafts has gone wrong?

784
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: And why would he haunt the Ruse Because the Ruse

785
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: opted for as we just mentioned, Colby mccircher and then

786
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: Zane Durzmer with their two picks and then overlooked Nick Watson,

787
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: who was then taken with the next selection by Hawthorne.

788
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 5: I think this is fair.

789
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 4: So I like, I really like what Cobby mkirche can become.

790
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 5: I think he's.

791
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 4: At the moment he's best as a half back flanker,

792
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: like a rebounding provides run, can break lines with his kicking,

793
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 4: and he's been moved back into that role in the

794
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: last few weeks and I think it's reasonably clear that's

795
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 4: where he plays his best foot at the moment, you

796
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: just don't feel I guess that he's currently got the

797
00:36:54,080 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 4: body body to play as an inside midfielder Desma. I

798
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 4: guess from what we've seen so far, he seems like

799
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 4: a longer term prospect.

800
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 2: I think, and was always seen as a longer term prospect.

801
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 4: Right So the frustration right now might be that Nick

802
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: Watson has just come on and he's already such a

803
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: threatening player in the forward half and on the weekend

804
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: we see that like the man can do it at

805
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 4: center bounce right, So like, is there a more damaging

806
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 4: player in the game than someone who can who can

807
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 4: you know, impact time and time again on the scoreboard,

808
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 4: but also you know, pinch it as in midfielder, like

809
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 4: similar to what causey pickets becoming from Melbourne. So I

810
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: think it's every time. And right now, I think you'd

811
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 4: be foolish to say that Watson isn't the best of

812
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: those three players.

813
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I think that's fair right now.

814
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think there was an element of for

815
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: a start, he also plays well against North that he's

816
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: averaging fourteen and three in his two.

817
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: Games the only play.

818
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, don't bag him that much. Come on, guys,

819
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: it's his best team he's playing against. He's not doing

820
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: that against West Coast every week, is he?

821
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: That's probably true, does play West Coast every week.

822
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: But he's played them also to us. But is there

823
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 3: an element of in his draft year, this guy's one

824
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy centimeters that was so yeah, how good

825
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 3: can he be?

826
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: Well? I think one I remember one club recruiter saying

827
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 2: to me, if my coach said we're going to be

828
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: using a top five pick to on a one hundred

829
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 2: and seventy centimeter player, I don't know how well that

830
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: would be received.

831
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: And that was clearly wasn't a Hawthorne Alistair Clarkson, one

832
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: of the older coaches in the game, perhaps has some

833
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 3: established views on what types of players he wants to recruit,

834
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: and I think there.

835
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: Could be a factorate And if you do remember as well,

836
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: I think clark O met with Dan Curtin in the

837
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: days before the draft.

838
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 3: Because we know they've needed tools in the last few drafts.

839
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: That would have made sense. Yeah, So they're definitely not

840
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 3: going to look for a small in that scenario, aren't they?

841
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: So, Ben, Ben, if you're red drafting and your North Melbourne,

842
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 4: you're still taking Dursam at four with Watson on the

843
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 4: bo So I was I did I have knowing he's

844
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 4: a longer term? Yeah?

845
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: I think so. I think they could. It was strategic

846
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: that they took the two of them because mckirchhe was

847
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: the player scene who could play pretty much straight away

848
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 2: and have an impact, and that's basically how it's played

849
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: outen He's been a little bit all over the place

850
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: in terms of where he's played and position wise, but

851
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: he's been reasonably I think he could say he's been

852
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: reasonably consistent, and certainly I think he's back to where

853
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: he is best for his position right now in defense,

854
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: and he's been getting thirty plus and it's not a

855
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: it's not a cheap thirty plus, I think. At the

856
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: same time, so I think he was the more bankable

857
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 2: prospect in terms of making a more immediate impact, which

858
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: means that if you've got another pick, you then can

859
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: take the lot you can then can take a Zane Dursmart.

860
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: There was also the same draft where they had another

861
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: three picks later in the first round.

862
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: Taylor Goad, Will Dawson and Riley Harder.

863
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 2: So so and again different kinds of Taylor Goad is

864
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: very much a long term proposition, a ruck, really raw

865
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: ruck who was really not expected to play after game,

866
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: and you know, for at least two three years, Dawson

867
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: probably came on to look a little quicker than a

868
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: lot of people.

869
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 5: He was a bolter.

870
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: And Hardeman did get some games last year and he

871
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 2: is getting some games now. He's sort of that rebounding

872
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: defender so they got very much different positional types and

873
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: they selected strategically, so I can understand what North Melbourne did.

874
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: I think Jack makes a good point. Watson was always

875
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: going to come in, I think, and make it a

876
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 2: pretty immediate impact, even though he's one hundred and seventy centimeters.

877
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: He had all the traits to make an early impact.

878
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: But I think Deurzma had a higher ceiling and his

879
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: best in his draft year was pretty gobsmacking. Watson's was too,

880
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: but Dersma had that little bit more height, athleticism, versatility

881
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: marking above his head. So I can understand why North

882
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: Melbourne went the way that they did.

883
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: We still convinced that Dursma's best spot on the field

884
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: this forward.

885
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't think he I

886
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: don't think he'd be a full time midfielder. Happy to

887
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 2: be corrected, but my hunch he's going to be a

888
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: Ford midfielder.

889
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 4: He is a bit shorter than Dan Kurtin, and Dan

890
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: Kurtin obviously has taken some time to I guess, be

891
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 4: trolled in different spots on the ground and I guess

892
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: find his niche a little bit, and you know, there's

893
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 4: still it's still not certain where he's going to play

894
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 4: his best footy, but clearly he's going to be a

895
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: good player wherever he plays it. So I think I

896
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 4: think it's interesting where Dursmi will end up playing his

897
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 4: best footing. And he obviously hasn't had much of a

898
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: like He's only played six games this year and three

899
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 4: of beans suck, So I'm.

900
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: Not getting a huge run at things, is he not?

901
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: At the moment?

902
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: No, it'd be fascinating to see how how that all

903
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: pans out. That's the end of a very meaty dishes

904
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 2: of fair or Fast. It's now time to open up

905
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: all our fan mail on the Fox Foody podcast.

906
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: It's time to open up the mail bag. Have a

907
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: question for the panel tweet us every Monday morning at

908
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 1: Fox Footy.

909
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: Well, that makes it sound like people only say positive things.

910
00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: And I read out the positive question mark ones yes,

911
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 3: and there are also other ones, but thank you to everyone.

912
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 3: It's tweeted in at Fox Footy. It's Monday morning. There's

913
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 3: a tweet and then you respond to it, and then

914
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: I look through it and I pick some of them

915
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: to read out, like this one from Wade from high school.

916
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: Wade with dirks not mine. And not Wade Dirks and

917
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: I suspect damn but possibly trade Jacksman trade target. Wade

918
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 3: Dirkson can't wait to hear what's going on with him

919
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 3: in a trade Whisper's coming your way soon, Wade says,

920
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: Why does it feel like the AFL keeps pushing to

921
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: change the Grand Final time slot even though the vast

922
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: majority don't want it changed?

923
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 5: Is that true?

924
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the they make an announcement every year saying

925
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: that it is it is on at two thirty this

926
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: year is clearly it's part of the discussion with the

927
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: AFL AFO commission every year.

928
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: Yes, that's when it gets announced. Is when the commission

929
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 3: ticks it off.

930
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 5: Is it true that no one wants it changed?

931
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 4: No? No.

932
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 2: You speak to Jerry Whaley, for instance, and he is

933
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: he can't believe that it's not at a twilight spot

934
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: at the moment. Other people in the media have said

935
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous that it's not on a twilight spot in

936
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: the AFL is not making the most of the opportunity

937
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: to get as many eyeballs as possible on the Grand Final.

938
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: I can't speak about this objectively because I really liked

939
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: the early finished time on Grand Final day.

940
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 3: No good work wise. The Geelong Collingwood qualifying final in

941
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, oh yes, helped sort of flipped me

942
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: a bit to the Grand Final and the twilight slid.

943
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: I definitely don't want a night game. It's too late.

944
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 3: You don't get to celebrated afterwards. That that was what

945
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: we had in twenty twenty and that's stunk for many reasons.

946
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 3: That's stunk, but the result I enjoyed it. Yeah, well

947
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: that says a lot about you.

948
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 5: Too long.

949
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: The grandfatherly didn't happen. The twilight time slot fixes a

950
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: few things from it. And the reason it keeps me

951
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: up every year is because the broadcaster, the one that

952
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: shows the game, yes, once it later in.

953
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: The day, understand and understandably so because they'll get more viewers,

954
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 2: But he charged more for the ads because you think

955
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: about it from a doubly way perspective, the game's on

956
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: at twelve thirty in the afternoon, like twelve thirty at

957
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: lunch time, So.

958
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 3: Dom Shed kicked that goal at what like just before

959
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: three pm? Yes, that's just weird.

960
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, and you and you know it's It's

961
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: why I think a lot of wa base fans really

962
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: don't like it when Freemantle has a they they've got

963
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: a one ten game this weekend, so they're playing at

964
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: eleven ten in the morning, which is and it's bad for.

965
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 3: The team, too bad for their body clocks and things

966
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: like that. It's just very weird. So that's why it

967
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 3: keeps coming up. It's why we'll keep coming up because

968
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 3: the broadcasters who pay all the money to make the

969
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: game go around are going to it's.

970
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: Clearly a year by year. It's now a the point

971
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 2: where it's a year by year decision.

972
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: It's silly that it's year by year. But also Andrew

973
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: Dillon when he came in, has said that he likes

974
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: that he's a day man. He's a yes, a day walker.

975
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 4: Taking out of taking out of the conversation, now finished

976
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 4: times of work? What time would we like, like do

977
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: we want it to stay? Or do would you like

978
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 4: a latter time?

979
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 3: I genuinely don't care. I would be totally fine if

980
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 3: they went to flect four pm.

981
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, four four four thirty, four thirty would be fine.

982
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: But I'm also completely understanding the argument of let's just

983
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: do it how it's always worked. It's nice, so it

984
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 3: goes into the news and then switch over to the

985
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: other channel to watch the celebrations, that little tradition that

986
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 3: makes me feel warm and fuzzy thinking about that. I

987
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: don't know why I vote Twilight, which one New Moon, or.

988
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: Even if it was three twenty. I think even three

989
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 4: twenty gives it a different feel, like I'm more luckly, But.

990
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: Three twenty you're not going to do because then it

991
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: doesn't finish at six on the dot because of the

992
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: longer half time, so seven doesn't want that. They got

993
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: to think of it that well.

994
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: You know that the games that were scheduled for three

995
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: twenty for the rest of the year and now starting

996
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: at three.

997
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: Fifteen, yes, because games are going too long A because

998
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: they need to fix that, because games are going quarters

999
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 3: the only thirty five minutes and it's stupid. I think

1000
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 3: it was like that Sydney Melbourne game. It went to

1001
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: like six fifteen, yes something crazy news readers everywhere angrily

1002
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: reading their papers. Speaking of the fixture, Yoshi asks, I've

1003
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: got this egg, what do I do with it? And

1004
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 3: then he says, why does the AFL struggle so much

1005
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: with simple fixturing? The buyers are a mess? Opening round

1006
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: as a joke. And now we have a seven twenty

1007
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: game and an eight twenty game on Friday night.

1008
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: We do that is interesting, isn't it. Well, it's very

1009
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: Perth friendly. The eight twenty Australian East and standard.

1010
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: Time, yes, start time, that's realistically. You've had eight ten

1011
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: for Thursday night games, I want to say.

1012
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: And Saturday nights yea Saturday night so this is.

1013
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: This works for Perth and it's a West Coast WS

1014
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 3: game at eight twenty and then Collingwood Carleton is seven

1015
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: to twenty. Yes on the East coast. Awkward.

1016
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: The weird one is in a couple of weeks time

1017
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: when it's we've got the Giant Swans. So we've got

1018
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: another Friday night doubleheader and the Giants Swan started seven

1019
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: to fifty pm and we've got a game at seven

1020
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: twenty in Melbourne.

1021
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,919
Speaker 3: Right because eight twenty would be too late to start

1022
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: on the East coast. That's the folk. Well, yeah, that's

1023
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: the reasoning.

1024
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: But a lot of rugby league games start at eight

1025
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: pm of course, but then it's only a two hour

1026
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: They finished an hour forty, that's right.

1027
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 3: The Broncos lose very quickly because they're ruining this.

1028
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1029
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about the really cool Madge. It's

1030
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 3: just it's just it is strange.

1031
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 5: Ricky.

1032
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know the reason that the latter of

1033
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: Rickey's raiders oh okay, exciting times. I honestly don't know why,

1034
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: because I can't even think of a broadcasting reason why

1035
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: because like from like for Fox footage perspective, like overlapping

1036
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: games aren't great.

1037
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: Clearly not the it's clearly not the business perspective. Sorry,

1038
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 2: business priority preference. Sorry that we've got two games going

1039
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: on at the same time, one on one channel, one

1040
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: on another.

1041
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: And then you've got the overlap on Sunday as well. Yeah,

1042
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 3: but that's because seven onces the game at three fifteen

1043
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: to go into the news and then you have to

1044
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 3: work around that, and for whatever reason, they won't want

1045
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: to play one at twelve thirty you like I want

1046
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: them to.

1047
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: Yes, it's round nineteen that I'm thinking of. It's sorry,

1048
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 2: not round nineteen, it's round twenty of Essendon plays the

1049
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: Western Bulldogs at seven twenty at Marvel and then the.

1050
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 3: Giants telling me, yes, there's another Esterton game on a

1051
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 3: Friday night.

1052
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Giants host the Swan's at seven

1053
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: fifty at Energy.

1054
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: That's good. That's a good game.

1055
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: It's great games.

1056
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: Sydney could ruin their season.

1057
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: It's a great game.

1058
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: Well you can watch it all on Fox Footy thankfully.

1059
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: Yeah you can, so please do so. Yeah. Essendon play

1060
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: a couple of Saturday games and a Thursday night game

1061
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 2: against the Giants, a Friday night game against the Bulldogs,

1062
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: Swans on a Saturday, Geelong on a Friday night at

1063
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 2: gm HbA s and Kilda on a Friday night at Marble,

1064
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: and then they finished with Carlson of course Gold Coast.

1065
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: Interesting time, a lot of prime time.

1066
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: Speaking of dyes, we should move on to her next second.

1067
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: How about the segways. Let's got let's hear what Sheets

1068
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: has got to say. Now, then this is your flag

1069
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 2: last week that this is expla of greatness had run.

1070
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 3: Its like a moth to the flame, our very own moth.

1071
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 3: David Zita has entered the room.

1072
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: Oh David, yes, month, that's right. So you you said

1073
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: you wanted to be texted when it was time for

1074
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: for Sorry, Jack, I need.

1075
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: To move my MinC just just for the segment and

1076
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 3: then you can have it back, you.

1077
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: Can share it, We'll share. Let's have a look at

1078
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: the cover.

1079
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: So this is Kevin Sheedy's first book that we're going

1080
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 3: to have a reading from today, first book, Touch of Canning,

1081
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 3: A touch of cunning, says, it says, a touch of cunning,

1082
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: a touch of cunning. There is Kevin Sheedy standing standing

1083
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: on Mount Alexander Road near I think near Windy Hill,

1084
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 3: pretty sure, looking contemplative into the distance, with a Essendon

1085
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 3: bomber jacket over his shoulder because you're really about to

1086
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 3: waive it. And then a black and white baby I'm sorry,

1087
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: which appears to be him I would when hears he

1088
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: has the angry face of a small Kiven she.

1089
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: A generic archival baby hopefully.

1090
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 3: Image I think AI back in the mid nineties. Yes, baby,

1091
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: I will be tweeting out this that cover so you

1092
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: can all have a look for fantastic stuff. Tom pry Pin,

1093
00:49:54,880 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 3: yes he has believe the other one yes, probably this prolific. Well,

1094
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,359
Speaker 3: you have too long conversation with Kevin Cheny and then

1095
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: made some money some.

1096
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 6: Long, covered long and sort of very fluctuating around much

1097
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 6: like me right now, Yes, speaking.

1098
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: Around, I'm entering.

1099
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 3: I'm entering puberies and reading a section of Kevin Chetyes

1100
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Speaker 3: a touch of cunning.

1101
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 5: Cunning here, stop laughing? Why laugh?

1102
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 3: I understand Kevin said time for a touch of cunning.

1103
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: I was lucky in the jobs I had as a kid.

1104
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: The first job I worked was in the Pran market

1105
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 3: and the guy next to me was chopping off chuoks heads.

1106
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: I had to take the chook's bodies and roll all

1107
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 3: the feathers off the christ Then I walked into Gaith's

1108
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 3: bakery when hat worked, and they were bringing out hot

1109
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: bread Carob. It's smelled delicious. I had to take the

1110
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 3: hot bread out and deliver it. I had a morning

1111
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: newspaper round, had a hair all around in the afternoons.

1112
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 3: At the time, I was ten years old. By the

1113
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 3: time I got to unblocking sewers, there wasn't much difference

1114
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Speaker 3: between the guts of a chook and the inside of

1115
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 3: a sewer. The guts of a chook would probably be cleaner.

1116
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 3: It all adds up because that's where it goes into

1117
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 3: a sewer. You're down in the trenches there, aren't you.

1118
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: They're saying this is what it's all about, sun and

1119
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: you go home with five pounds in your pocket. You

1120
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 3: think to yourself, gee, this is not bad. Five pounds

1121
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: was a lot of money when I was a kid.

1122
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 2: Is this the same book? But we were just like,

1123
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: this is just the same conversation. It's just turned it

1124
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: into two books.

1125
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: A really long recordings.

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00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: So really a.

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00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: Talking about chickens.

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00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really even.

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00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:37,720
Speaker 2: It's a schnitz promotion.

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00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 3: Oh, Kevin, I don't think there's no Schnitze at the much. Well,

1131
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 3: the Papa was well at work back then. If Jack

1132
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 3: your thoughts please, what was your first job as a kid?

1133
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 3: Cutting off choks heads sewers?

1134
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 6: Not quite as exotic, unfortunately, it's just cutting off the

1135
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,879
Speaker 6: eels heads, prawn's heads, prawn's heads.

1136
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 5: Do you cut the prawn's head off? You know? You

1137
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: just don't eat it.

1138
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 3: You pull it off. If you didn't avoid, you pull

1139
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 3: it off with a touch of cunning. I worked at

1140
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: the coffee shop. It was a drive through coffee shop

1141
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 3: and one day I had to dress up in the

1142
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: giant mascot thing, which was like a big latte, and

1143
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: I stood on out the road like dancing holding.

1144
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 6: A So you're one of those people telling people to

1145
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 6: go to the coffee show. You like Joker at the

1146
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 6: start of the Joker movie, a lot of singing. Yeah no,

1147
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 6: not the second Joker movie, the first one.

1148
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: I haven't seen either of them.

1149
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: Did it help? Did you get any commission?

1150
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 3: I didn't help the Joker, but it was fun because

1151
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: because you're like, you're acting weird and crazy, but no

1152
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: one came over you are, so no one knows until

1153
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 3: you tell everyone on a podcast.

1154
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 5: Right, that's unbelievable. Well there you go. H cool?

1155
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 2: Was that worth coming in for?

1156
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 5: Well?

1157
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 6: I needed to get changed anyway, so not Sorry, that

1158
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 6: sounds weird. I had to put a suit on a

1159
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 6: good question, David, Yes, Jack, how is it do you

1160
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 6: if I just.

1161
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 3: Use the microphone that it's yours?

1162
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 5: People?

1163
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: Sorry, just quickly.

1164
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 6: People have complained. I've noticed that I come in here

1165
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 6: and we just say words with a certain inflection and we.

1166
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 5: Think it's funny.

1167
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: And I've noticed that we did.

1168
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 5: I've noticed since.

1169
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 6: Beening in here four minutes ago, that is exactly what

1170
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 6: we do. Because you said, you said Joker, you said

1171
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 6: too soon? I went no back, I'm sorry to the listeners. Listener,

1172
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 6: what are you going to say?

1173
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: Jack?

1174
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 5: Sorry? Jack?

1175
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 4: I was just going to ask you, David, how is

1176
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 4: it that you can make time for your own new podcast,

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00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 4: but not for the Fox Woody podcast.

1178
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: That's not accurate.

1179
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 6: That's not part of my I'm not working at that

1180
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 6: time of the day. Drew's on the road that morning,

1181
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 6: so I've got some free time to record a podcast

1182
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 6: early in the morning. I would happily do this podcast

1183
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 6: at a decent at a more friendly hour, but because

1184
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 6: of the way the logistically it works, it's not able

1185
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 6: to be recorded before two pm. I'm at two pm.

1186
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 5: I'm mate.

1187
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 6: I'm waiting for Collingwood footage from Channel ten.

1188
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 5: I need it.

1189
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: It's coming in now. And that's why you're up here

1190
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 3: talking to us about well, just quickly, I'm going to

1191
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 3: go get get changed.

1192
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,240
Speaker 2: I was about to go say, come on Channel ten. Duncan, McKenzie, mccaglift.

1193
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: He's long gone.

1194
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 5: He's in the tennis spheres now, Duncan. I think he's

1195
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 5: recording music as well. He's living in New York or California.

1196
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 3: He was like a US correspondent for Higher for a while.

1197
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 3: He still is, Oh, okay, there you go.

1198
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 5: He's got a family.

1199
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 3: I don't know how he's keeping it like.

1200
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 5: He's got a lot going on.

1201
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 6: Duncan and he's got a fun name to say he does. Indeed,

1202
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 6: he had a fun name to say. Is they Get

1203
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 6: a Kick podcast. It's featuring Ashley soud Like you could

1204
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 6: barely say, because I nearly said get a grip, which

1205
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 6: is the tennis.

1206
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 5: One all right as well?

1207
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: Get a grip at the moment.

1208
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 6: So we did get a very quick get a grip

1209
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 6: because we did a reaction to Andre ba Celli timely

1210
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 6: Andre Bacelly's new song what with Yannick Sinner? Jesus, I

1211
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 6: urge you all to watch the YouTube video of this

1212
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 6: incredibly disturbing video.

1213
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 5: Clay.

1214
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: I know we have some Yannicks to the fans who

1215
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 3: listen to the podcast, so they will be very interested,

1216
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 3: right my.

1217
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 6: Sister life, Oh right, okay, so fan, well maybe there

1218
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 6: are others anyway, all the very best.

1219
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: I need to get up and times.

1220
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: Yes that's David Zeita from the Getter Grip on Your

1221
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: Balls podcast.

1222
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Yes that's a David doing unncessary vibrado here on the podcast.

1223
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,959
Speaker 2: It's now time for the tips and cups to finish

1224
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 2: off what has been a very meaty edition. We're back

1225
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: to nine games.

1226
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: A bit flat like I am when he walks into

1227
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: the room.

1228
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 2: North Melbourne and the Western Bulldogs on a Thursday. Nice

1229
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: Lucky Young Cup up for grabs here.

1230
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to take away your chance to do

1231
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: all the cups, Ben, But are there any games? Will

1232
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 3: we see an upset this round of top nine b

1233
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 3: bottom nine?

1234
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: Oh, Sydney in Fremantle.

1235
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: So Sydney you are the favorites in that game because

1236
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: it's at home. So we'll go through them and read out.

1237
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 2: The car Okay, Carton and Collingwood, Chris Bryant Cup of course,

1238
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: West Coast and the Giants for the Zach Langdon Cup. Yeah,

1239
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: a big fitness guru now, Zach Langdon Eston and Gold

1240
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: Coast for the Jacob Townsend.

1241
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: You don't mean in the who's the Brisbane midfielder who's

1242
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 3: gotten very reheese matheson that? Not in the big fitness

1243
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 3: He's more like a Zach is more sort of pte. Okay,

1244
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 3: it's rather not so injectable.

1245
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 2: Your words, not mine. Geelong v Richmond for the Adam

1246
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: Hauler Hand Cup, Brisbane v Port Adelaide, Sam Skinner Cup grabs,

1247
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: sin Kilda and Hawthorne, Zach Dawson Cup. It's probably easy

1248
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 2: low hanging for it though, Sittney in Freemantle, Troy Cook

1249
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 2: Cup and Adelaide and Melbourne John Mason Cup Secuda.

1250
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: Hawthorne is the getting show and Makers and Aris show

1251
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: and Maker confused for me, don't mind that so not

1252
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: the same.

1253
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 2: So can you see any upsets there, Jack across the weekend? Umm?

1254
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 4: No, no, actually, if you're talking about no, no, definitely not.

1255
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: That's yeah, Essen and gold Coast. I could see the Bombers.

1256
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 5: I think I could.

1257
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they weren't so horribly injured.

1258
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: I was Ridley agreed.

1259
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 5: Coming back is is pretty important.

1260
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: Okay. Gold Coast have had a tear le game at

1261
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: Marvel this year before.

1262
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 2: Have they speeds and the last year thanks to Mac Andrew.

1263
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: Yes, well they should be better than that.

1264
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 5: Sam Durams are good in.

1265
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: For yes, okay chances I would say Hawthorne Saint Kilda

1266
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: because Sint Kilda just have this weird thing where every

1267
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 3: sort of third game they're pretty damn good.

1268
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 2: Their last two games have been solid against Collingwood and

1269
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 2: then Freemantling and beating Melbourne was good. And beating Melbourne

1270
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: so that was Melbourne sin Kilda almost mirroring what they

1271
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: did last year, got lots of order, a sort of

1272
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: splattering of poor performances early in the first half of

1273
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: the season, and they've had a strong start to their

1274
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: back end.

1275
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: You know, they've won ten games every season this decade. Yes,

1276
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like that, but they feel like they've been

1277
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 3: worse than that. But they're just consistently mediocre, which is,

1278
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 3: you know.

1279
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: Which is a problem in the AFL as well. Chris

1280
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: Scott says, you don't want to be stuck in the

1281
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: messy middle.

1282
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 3: But they've drafted well despite it.

1283
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 4: They have.

1284
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 2: They've drafted very well this decade I think.

1285
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 3: And the like, so that's overcoming their own mediocrity in

1286
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: an impressive way. But I'm still tipping on the favorites

1287
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 3: because that's the safe thing to do when you're leading

1288
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: the cop.

1289
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 5: Does that mean tipping Sydney yep, wow.

1290
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 3: I'll be tipping Sydney.

1291
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 4: Will you be tipping Sydney Freemantle? I think I've had

1292
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: the whatever them in the sag.

1293
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: Very famous win there this time last year and Logan

1294
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: Donald missed after the Siren.

1295
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 3: Sydney did beat Frio in the West earlier this year

1296
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: from memory, so yes, when Chad Warner grabbed it his

1297
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: jumper as we all know, so an interesting round, someone

1298
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 3: will lose that shouldn't. And that's why you watch the game.

1299
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: That's right, and that's why you tune into The Run

1300
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 2: Home on a Sunday night for the most comprehensive breakdown.

1301
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: I really had to end this podcast because David is

1302
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: changing just to my life and he's gone topless and

1303
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: we're filming this. Keep clicking back to Foxfooty dot com

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Speaker 2: dot au.

1305
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,600
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