WEBVTT - Work less & play more in 2025 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.280 Oh, hello and happy a year. Welcome to Healthy Ish. 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:05.280 Thanks for joining us on our first episode of twenty 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:07.680 twenty five. Of course, this is your podcast from Body 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:09.879 and Soul. I I'm your host for listening, Halee. Now, 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.640 if you just returned from summer holidays, or perhaps you're 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:15.360 still in the throes of it, this episode is going 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:18.720 to inspire you to work less and play more. In 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.960 twenty twenty five, author and business coach Emma Lovell joins 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.000 us to discuss how to balance traveling the world with 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.120 work and living a life you love aka the Art 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:47.199 of Pleasure. Emma, Welcome to Healthy Happy new Year. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.120 Happy near tear too exciting. 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.600 Oh, I can't believe it's a twenty twenty five. Do 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:53.440 you have a healthy resolution? 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:56.680 I don't exactly believe in resolutions, but I do set 0:00:56.800 --> 0:00:59.080 an intention, and I choose a word for the year, 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:00.600 and my word is calm. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.039 I think we all need that word. The last few. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:07.440 Years haven't been calm, so it's a been a whirlwind 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:08.119 would probably be. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.360 The retrospective word. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:10.840 With Toddler, I do with Toddler. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:11.920 I did release a book. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.160 There was a few things going on in twenty twenty four, 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.800 so I just I want if I have calm and 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.520 go into everything with calm as the intention, So having 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.560 a calm mindset, then you know, and the question you 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.120 can ask yourself will will I be calm? Or can 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.160 I be calm doing this? And then that kind of 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.080 will dictate. So calm. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.720 I like that. I feel like that's a word so 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:34.640 many of us need. 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:37.480 Yeah, the word that people tend to choose is balance, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:39.679 and I just think balance is a fallacy and I 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.400 don't It's just it's it's you kind of going to 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.600 strive for this unachievable goal because there's never going to 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.200 be balanced. So the word I tend to use is harmony, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.440 because things go up and down, and so if you 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.720 go in with calm, that kind of gets the balance 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.760 that you're after, but without that pressure to be like 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.440 everything's fifty to fifty or even because it's just never 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:02.840 going to be. 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.920 Well, good luck, I should say, all the best, get luck. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.200 Let's chat in twenty twenty six about. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:13.040 This word pleasure. I come across this before I saw 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.359 it on the front of your book. Took us through 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.320 the concept of pleasure. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:20.280 So pleasure typically, I mean, people don't know the word. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.480 I didn't create it. I own it, but I didn't 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.240 come up with it. It can live it, I live it. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.640 So it came up in two thousand and nine. Some 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.760 future forecasters made up the word it's business and leisure. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.799 So bleasure can get confused with pleasure, which is part 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.799 of it, but bleisure, but I've taken it to another level. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.799 I guess for me, pleasure means combining business, travel and 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.040 having self care. So it's that harmony of those things 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:52.160 so that I can live a life that I love. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:54.080 And I think it's kind of you know, you go 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:56.400 on a business trip or you go on our trip 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.200 and at the customs desk they go, are you here 0:02:59.240 --> 0:03:02.200 for work or holiday or family? And I'm kind of 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.480 all of the above, And so bleasure is that fusion 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.440 of that for me. And it's being able to include 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:12.640 your work, include your home life, include your the things 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:14.960 that you love that whatever leisure looks like to you. 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:18.760 For me, that is travel and making it work. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.880 Yeah, because when I first read it, I was thinking, 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.079 or read the introduction of your book, I thought to myself, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.160 but it's kind of like the digital nomad, but it's 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.760 not really how is it different from that? 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:29.920 So digital nomad and I really say that I'm not 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.400 a digital nomad because over the years I've always looked 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:36.120 my office is a work, my laptop and my phone. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:36.920 That's how I work. 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:40.200 I've always been remote and flexible. But I think digital 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.280 nomad people think in order to do that, you need 0:03:42.280 --> 0:03:45.040 to pack up your life, go and live somewhere, probably 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.200 Bali or on a tropical island for three months, and 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.800 you have to have a digital online business. But the 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.120 thing about pleasure is it's combining your work and leisure. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:58.120 So work for you could be anything. My husband drives boats, say, like, 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.280 he could drive a boat anywhere people go and ski 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:03.800 go and work in ski fields, you know, or fruit 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.320 picking or house and pet sitting. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:08.920 You know. Work can look like anything. 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.360 And so I don't want people to think that, oh, well, 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.800 I don't have an online business, I can't do pleasure, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.679 or because I'm not working and traveling at the same time, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.200 I'm not doing pleasure. There's a confusion between pleasure trip 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:24.560 and pleasure life. And one of my colleagues made this, like, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.359 had this profound aha moment because she kept trying to 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.320 think about how she could work and travel at the 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.520 same time, not how she could look at this as 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.360 like the rest of her life, how she could harmonize 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.640 how she worked and brought in travel and leisure and 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:38.640 things she found fun. 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.320 So how do you make it work? How do you 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.560 bring your business? Perhaps tell us a bit about what 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.600 you actually do traveling the world and having a gorgeous family. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.320 Yeah, well, look, I guess that we should probably take 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.719 a back step. I've been running my business for fifteen years. 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.560 My business started because I broke my back in a 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:02.000 snowboarding accident. I thought I could just run a business. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.280 I was in UNI, you know, just I'll just start 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:04.640 a business. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.040 Anyone could do anything when they're in UNI. 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.160 Yeah, studying PR and marketing. I'll just start mo own company. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.480 But I was never gonna have time. I was already 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.960 kind of, I guess, racing towards burnout at twenty two, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.200 and so the universe decided to stop me. And it 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:23.160 was in that rest forced rest time, lying there not 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.359 able to do much that I was like, Oh, that 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.320 business thing I was thinking about I could do. So 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.359 I got an ABN, I told people I was running 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.280 a business, started getting clients, and off I went. 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:33.120 I mean, I converted. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:35.640 I was working in an office doing some PR and 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.159 marketing for them, so I just got them to pay 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.640 me via invoice, so I had a client. So originally 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:43.920 I was doing PR, marketing and social media. I mean, 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.320 and that's done from a computer, so wherever my laptop was, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.040 I was going to be so and it's something I 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.760 established from day one, and it's one of the top 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.120 tips I give is that you don't need to kind 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:57.159 of have an office or if you tell your clients 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.120 this is how I work, there's no kind of oh 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.000 my gosh, I'm in Hawaii. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:02.040 They can't know. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.960 You're still delivering. You're delivering what they want and doing 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:05.440 your work. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:06.440 It doesn't matter. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.719 It's only maybe for the time zones that you needed 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.360 to say, but it shouldn't matter because I've always yes 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.320 delivered my work. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.599 So over the years it evolved a little bit. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:18.920 And I ended up going to coaching, personal brand coaching, 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:22.720 combining that sort of brand expertise. And then it was 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.400 actually in twenty twenty three that I kind of realized 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:28.080 I'd been separating this travel side of my life even 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.039 though I'd made an income from travel. I'm a travel 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.000 partner of a company in India. I write articles on travel. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.560 I had made money from travel, but I still had 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.920 this kind of belief you can't make money from travel, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.480 and then that the business was separate, even though I 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.800 was running my business and traveling. And it was somebody 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.640 asking me that question, looks seriously, how do you do it? 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.680 You have a kid, you run a business, how do 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.839 you do it? And I said, well, it's a choice, 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.400 and I choose to do it, and I choose to 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:57.560 make it work. Because if I'm not having fund in 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.800 my business, if I'm not traveling, which is like one 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.840 of my highest priority I just love it and what 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.559 it gives to me, then it's not worth it. And 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.719 so it's a choice. And then I kind of went, oh, 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:09.800 to people, not is this a thing? People don't know 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.720 how to do this? And I realized I'd been doing 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.720 it all along. I've been doing it for my entire 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:17.960 business journey. So then the pleasure term was said to me. 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.000 And typically pleasure was like going to a conference and 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.920 staying on, like going from flying into Melbourne for a 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:25.960 meeting and then staying on for a few days. But 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.800 I just have taken it, yeah that way step further. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:31.960 How do you make it work? Like perhaps getting a 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:36.080 bit more granular, like, how where's your house? How is 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.680 you Charlie? You're not having a child in school yet, 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.600 you know, how how do you perhaps how do you 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.120 make it work before your son versus after sun? 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.920 Yeah, before I could kind of just pack up and go. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.880 I mean even since I've been with my partner now 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.480 my husband for ten years, so even. 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.280 Well, yes, yeah, you know your permanent job. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.640 Yeah, yeah, he works at SeaWorld, so the sharks can't 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.680 so't go with us, they have to stay there. 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.280 Way to have a dad work like amazing to have 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.600 a dad working at SeaWorld. Yeah, he's very cool. 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:09.600 I think that's normal. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.440 And when I, like six year old me is like, oh, 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.880 I'm married the dream guy, living the dream. But yeah, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.600 so his job is very fixed, but we do get 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:20.120 flexibility in terms of he can take longer periods off. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.040 So that's how we made it work. So I've had 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.960 to learn how to make it work with him. A 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.440 lot of it's communications, So when we would travel together, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.320 it's just it's communicating to my clients, it's communicating to him, Hey, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.800 these are the times I'm working. So say, one of 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.920 the best trips we did, we went to Europe. I'd 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.600 wake up at six or seven in the morning, do 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.160 three or four hours of work. I was like, I 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.800 don't care what you do, but do something I'm working, 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.360 and I really enjoyed that focus. Then we went out 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.240 and explored Rome for the rest of the day, you know, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.720 and if I needed to catch up on a few things, 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.760 check in at night, that's fine. But having that dedicated 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.920 block and communication that this is when I'm available when 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:56.920 I'm not And so then I think when then I 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.360 had my son, you just get really clear with your 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:01.480 boundaries and you get really clear with your time. And 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.920 I probably worked a lot more than I do now, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.920 but funnily enough, my income stayed the same, my hours 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.760 went down, and then I've managed to increase my income 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.040 at the same hours because you just like, I don't 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.240 have the time. And I think that was with travel too. 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.719 It's like I want to enjoy the city, so I've 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:18.920 got four hours get it done. And the same with 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.959 you know, he's in childcare, or he's with somebody, or 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.320 he's napping. You got four hours work and so you know, 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.240 my priority now is spending time with him, is spending 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:31.800 time with my husband. If you cross that line, oh 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.880 mama bear comes out, and so I think it's just 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.079 it's priority. And it's like, I don't want my travel 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.160 time interrupted, I don't want my family time interrupted. So 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.800 if I have work time, then do the work. And 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.840 there's occasions where, say this year creating the book, or 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.840 in the past year creating the book, that there were 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:52.000 things that were on deadline and I needed to make 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:56.000 it work. But again it's just communication. Hey, they need this, now, 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.200 I need an hour off. You go go and do 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.920 your thing. We do have childcare, we do have family support, 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:04.200 even though they live in a separate state. And I 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.520 just think, I just keep coming back to communication. It's 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.760 this is what I need in order to do this, 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.720 and I'm asking for your help, and you can't do 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.679 it without the village. And whether that village is family, friends, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:17.959 or paid very happy to pay. 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:19.520 In order to live this life. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.080 And I suppose also, you and your husband sound like 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.160 you're on the same page. 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.640 Sometimes we all Yes, I'm not gonna I'm not going 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:29.480 to sugarcate that. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:32.920 But from the outlook, you know, from looking forward to 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.520 the future, to the future, yeah, you obviously have the 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.839 same sort of values when it comes to traveling or 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:39.920 living this pleasure life. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.599 Yeah, yeah, he sometimes he's a little bit more. He 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:45.160 likes it when we're doing it. I think he doesn't 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:46.920 like the thought of it, or the planning of potentially 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.760 the money spending. But once we're there and sometimes I 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.040 think I was just saying to my friend yesterday, sometimes 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.360 it's really hard to have a big conversation at home 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.240 when we're traveling. Like, we do talk about the future. 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.840 We do talk about it dreams, we do talk about opportunities. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.920 We were in Mongolia camping and there were beautiful animals 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.720 out in the nomadic wilderness, and we both realize that 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.480 we want to have animals, and we kind of want 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:13.800 to have a bit of land. And so now our 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.160 future home that we want to have is going to 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:16.840 have a bit of land. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:17.520 You know. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:20.400 We came to that vision because we were there and 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.480 we saw it together. And so sometimes if you need 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.280 to have a tough conversation, Yes you can't go to 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.920 Mongolia every day, but we go out for a walk, 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.079 or we go and have a coffee date, we try 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.600 a new restaurant, so that we can have those dreaming, planning, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.120 future discussions. Because when you're in the house, you just 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:37.760 you get stuck in the data. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.280 That's a really valuable point because when you're in the 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:44.040 weeds of daily life, you don't have those deep conversations. 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.760 But when you're sitting on a plane in Mongolia, yeah, 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:47.800 like a plane. 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:49.840 As in an ol plane. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:53.200 And plane not a plane, then you can have these 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.360 and be more vulnerable. There's a sense of vulnerability I 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.640 think that comes with traveling as well that doesn't surface 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.160 when you're in at home. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.240 It's the way you're so I host retreats and I 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.240 feel like the locations do the heavy lifting because when 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.120 you're homing, you're trying to think about your goals and 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:08.960 what you want for your. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.840 Life and what you need. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.920 It's really oh, they need this, and they need that, 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.600 and the house needs this. It's really hard to get 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.400 outside of it. When you go to a place like 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.240 India or Sri Lanka and everything is new and it's 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:22.480 like sensory overload. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:24.480 You're stripped of all that, all. 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:29.120 Those anchors back to day to day life and you 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.800 are forced into kind of going, well, what actually do 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:34.599 I want? And you get to remember, oh, actually, I 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.800 had a plan, I had a goal, I had a dream, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.600 I had something that I wanted to do, and like 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.880 the main thing that comes from the book and my 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.800 mission is to live a life you love. And that's 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.800 a question you can ask yourself every day. Am I 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:49.280 living a life I love? And you know, the answer 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.640 sometimes for me is no. But then that's like a 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.920 compass point, right, and I just go, Okay, Well, then 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.800 what am I not loving? And how can I what 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.360 can I change about that? It doesn't mean that that's Fixeday, 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:02.880 I feel amazing. It's like, well, if I'm not happy 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:04.439 with the way my work is, how can I change 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.360 my business? If I'm not happy with how my health is, well, 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.160 I need to get some more exercise, I need to 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.160 eat better. I'm not happy with the time I'm spending 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.120 with my son. Great, put the phone down, let's go 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:14.960 do something together. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:15.200 You know. 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.600 It's just what does living a life I look love 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.080 look like? Every day I can ask myself and then 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.120 realign to that. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:22.480 Well, I was going to ask you how do we 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:26.160 live a pleasure life? But perhaps you've answered the first 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.320 part of it in that answer that you just gave 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.280 is asking yourself, am I living the life that I love? 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.440 And then actioning it? Because often we can ask ourselves 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:40.240 but actually actioning it is another hurdle often, so how 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.640 do we go from you know, having a whiteboard at 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.600 the beginning of the year, going right, this is the 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:47.640 life I love? How am I not living this? Where 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.480 can I you know, what can I change? How do 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:53.000 you actually go from that whiteboard to living it? 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:55.320 Well? One of the you know, it's something I included 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.480 in the book was like that reflection piece at the 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:59.240 end of each chapter. It's like, go and ask yourself 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.000 these questions. Journaling is such a powerful thing because you're 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.080 writing it down, seeing it black and white, you go, oh, like, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.880 the answer comes pretty clearly. You sort of see a 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:10.840 pattern of what's not good, And that was such a 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:13.160 great point. Sometimes it's hard to say. What do you 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.760 want is a big question? What does living a life 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.480 you love look like? I mean, travel for me is 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.360 pretty you know, it comes to mind, but not everyone 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.440 has that, and so you go, Okay, what do I 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:26.160 not want? And I don't want that? Which then can 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.840 kind of determine what you do want. And then it's 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:30.560 got to be small steps. Like I said, it's not 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.920 just going to magically change overnight, but you can kind 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.880 of gravitate towards it. And I think the misconception to 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.440 people see my life and they're like, oh, it's all 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.240 the jet setting, and it's all the big trips. Sometimes 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.720 like a two nights or three nights away is so 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:49.120 much more refreshing and rejuvenating than a ten day holiday. 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.640 And I just don't want to subscribe to this whole work, work, work, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.200 And then we get four weeks away, and then we 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:57.160 come back and you do it all again, and you 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.920 get to yourself to that point of exhaustion to have 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:03.480 this fabulous holiday, only to get anxious towards the end 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.080 because you've got to come back and do it all again. 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:07.840 Like I just think the land of the long weekend 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:12.440 is such a place to hang finding ways to bring 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.240 in self care or things that you love every day 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.520 and it's just remembering. And for some people the look 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:21.280 of my life is like horrendous. And so I'm not 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:22.640 saying yeah, to go get on the market. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.560 I want to travel the world and live out of suitcases. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.120 And some you know, to be honest, over this summer break, 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.840 I haven't wanted to either. I've wanted some time at home. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:35.880 So then it's like, well, what does that look like? 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:37.680 It's it's being able to go to the pool whenever 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.400 I want. It's being able to go for a walk. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.040 It's being able to sit in color with my son. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.880 It's being able to try that new restaurant that we 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.760 haven't been to. It's being able to have a quality 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.000 conversation with my husband, not being ships in the night. 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.200 You know, it is actually this always the simpler things, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.160 and when you're getting those things right and you're feeling good. 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.400 I think for a lot of people, especially women, choosing 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.880 to do those things for yourself. If you can't even 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:02.920 do that, how are you going to go and do 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.280 a ten day trip overseas gallivanting and working from your laptop. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.920 You're not, so you've got to do Maybe taking a 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.280 night away for you is a huge deal. One of 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.080 my clients, one of the biggest things for her was 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.600 leaving her laptop behind. She was running business for ten years. 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.800 She never not had her laptop. She came on a 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.800 retreat and that sounds awful, but that's where she was 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:26.600 at right And for her, the win was she brought 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.680 the laptop, but she didn't open it for five days. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:29.280 Good for her. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:31.600 And you know, so it's a small thing. Yeah, I 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:35.640 think it's and for her. Then that then kind of 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.400 meant she could do it more. She got that more time. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:40.480 With their kids. She said the priority was family. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.800 So now she's doing more stuff with the family, she's 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:44.320 able to finish at. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:45.440 Work at that time. 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:49.560 You know, it's kind of a stacking and a domino effect, 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:52.040 but it comes with a choice, and it comes with 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:54.480 you have to do it from a place of what 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:55.280 do I want. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:55.920 I don't. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.160 I love the time with my husband's son, but I 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.200 don't do it for them. You do it for me 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.040 so I can be there with them and then be 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:03.600 there for them. 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.920 It sounds to me that you're very clear on what 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.800 brings you joy and what and the importance of play 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:14.879 and being very clear about that and then intentional in actually, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.280 as I said, before actioning it and doing it. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.120 Yeah, because otherwise we get resentful, we get burnt out, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.520 We can't live for others that way, and it just 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.120 I have gone so I broke my back going too hard. 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.520 That was a little sign. Okay, by the way, Yeah, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.359 I climbed mountain. Since I snowboarded nine months after, I 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:35.960 still love snowboarding. I'm totally fine. Yeah. 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:36.240 Great. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:40.040 Australian healthcare is amazing, no permanent damage. But then a 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:44.679 year later, I mean essentially had a breakdown or my 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:48.040 mind burnt out because I didn't learn the lesson and 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:50.320 I went hard again. And one of the things I 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:51.919