Speaker 1: I get a team, Patrick, James Mean Andlla Craig, Anthony Harper,
Speaker 1: our Fortnightly get together and you are part of that.
Speaker 1: In fact, we get here together for you because you're
Speaker 1: loved by us. Hi, Patrick, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: I have such an exciting day today, Craigo.
Speaker 3: Remember what I'm doing today?
Speaker 1: Thirty three on a Friday. As we record this everyone today,
Speaker 1: when did you tell me?
Speaker 2: I don't know, middle of the week.
Speaker 1: Today, I'm a shit friend Forretney.
Speaker 2: You laughed at me.
Speaker 1: What tell me again?
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for a chimney sweep to come over.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, the chimney sweep. And I said, what
Speaker 1: is this? Eighteen ten? Are you fucking Oliver? Please? Sir?
Speaker 1: I want more now. All of our young audience members
Speaker 1: will not know who Oliver Twist is. Just google it, kids.
Speaker 1: Why do you have a chimney sweep coming? Well, I
Speaker 1: guess it's obvious, but I didn't even know that they
Speaker 1: still existed.
Speaker 3: People still have chimneys, and they still have flues that
Speaker 3: connect to their fireplaces. And mine isn't working properly. So
Speaker 3: the port Fritz, the schnauzer, who's very needy this morning.
Speaker 3: He and I well, he stood there looking at me
Speaker 3: while I tried to light the fireplace the other day
Speaker 3: when it got down to two degrees and smoke started
Speaker 3: billowing out out of the fire, I thought that flu.
Speaker 2: Isn't working, first time I've used it this year, so
Speaker 2: it must be blocked.
Speaker 3: And all the smoke alarms went off, and I'm running
Speaker 3: around upstairs with a tea towel and trying to stop
Speaker 3: the smoke, which wasn't helping. So yeah, I thought, I'm
Speaker 3: going to have to get desperate now. So I call
Speaker 3: the local hardware store and yes, they knew a chimney sweep,
Speaker 3: and he's coming over today.
Speaker 2: Three weeks later. Wow, in high demand.
Speaker 1: What's a good thing? It's been unseasonally warm for you? Well,
Speaker 1: probably not up in the land, but it's been bloody.
Speaker 1: There's twenty or twenty one the other day down here
Speaker 1: in I mean, well, I not winter, but nelly winter.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. And look we have really chilly, chilly mornings.
Speaker 3: I have a wheat bag that I put in the
Speaker 3: microwave to put in my pocket so that my hands
Speaker 3: don't get cold with that is that is?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I can't say what I was going to say, but
Speaker 1: fucking ninety eight percent of people would have laughed in
Speaker 1: two percent would have sent an email. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what that is? All right? Apart
Speaker 1: from that, have you been good? Everything? All right? Why
Speaker 1: is Fritz a underdog so needy?
Speaker 3: By the way, because he normally goes through a walk
Speaker 3: at seven am, we go out for an hour, and
Speaker 3: because he woke me up at two am and I
Speaker 3: didn't get back to sleep till three point thirty, I
Speaker 3: had something of a sleep in.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go.
Speaker 2: I haven't taken him out yet. I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: take him out after the show.
Speaker 1: You're in the bad books, but in about an hour
Speaker 1: you'll be in the good books. It's right. Hey. There's
Speaker 1: been a bit of chat in the media about some
Speaker 1: parents and experts wanting to raise the age for social
Speaker 1: media for teenagers to like sixteen or something, and that's
Speaker 1: one What are your thoughts on that? And too, how
Speaker 1: the fuck would you ever enforce that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 3: It's one of those generational things where well, I've got one,
Speaker 3: all my friends have one. I don't want to not
Speaker 3: have a phone. I don't want to have access to
Speaker 3: social media. It's really difficult because a lot of children's
Speaker 3: identities are also kind of included in that they connect
Speaker 3: by devices. You know, friends of mine have a fourteen
Speaker 3: year old and from the age of about eleven or twelve,
Speaker 3: he was chatting to his mates using his iPad. So
Speaker 3: how do you rule out social media as opposed to
Speaker 3: just direct connection, You know, it's really hard. But the
Speaker 3: reasoning behind this, And look, I'm in two minds and
Speaker 3: I don't have children, so but I do see friends'
Speaker 3: kids and I wonder whether there is a problem when
Speaker 3: people are looking for likes, and that's the big thing
Speaker 3: that seems to be coming up. It's a and this
Speaker 3: is an Australian mind you they're saying that the like
Speaker 3: button the kids.
Speaker 2: This is specifically about social media.
Speaker 3: So you put a post up whatever the platform happens
Speaker 3: to be, and someone likes it. Now, how many likes
Speaker 3: you get can play a very big part in how
Speaker 3: you feel about yourself and what you've posted, particularly if
Speaker 3: you're posting a selfie. You know, think about you at
Speaker 3: the gym and how many times you post pictures of
Speaker 3: yourself and you know you.
Speaker 2: Can one like? You know that must being to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucking I'm straight from here to my therapist
Speaker 1: because yesterday I only got two Yeah, and what was mum?
Speaker 1: And the other was Arnie Marge, So.
Speaker 2: I like you last week yesterday. Oh sorry, I think
Speaker 2: it was the bear rug.
Speaker 1: It was slightly out of position.
Speaker 2: That could have been it. Well, see, there is there
Speaker 2: is a name for this. It's a new mental kind
Speaker 2: of health condition.
Speaker 3: They're calling it problem Internet use or p I you
Speaker 3: And this this is not just kind of abstract statements
Speaker 3: being made by people in general. These are quite a
Speaker 3: few renowned researchers, experts, you know, clinicians who work in
Speaker 3: the area of child mental health. And that's what they're
Speaker 3: trying to draw on to discuss ways. You know that
Speaker 3: this generation of children who potentially are being lost to
Speaker 3: the likes of you know, meta which is Facebook and Instagram,
Speaker 3: TikTok and all of those engaging, keep scrolling, keep engaging
Speaker 3: platforms that just do everything they possibly can to try
Speaker 3: to keep you online. That's what the whole aim of
Speaker 3: social media is. So this is coming from the Royal
Speaker 3: College of Psychiatrists and they're talking about the impact of
Speaker 3: technology on teenagers and they really are the guinea pigs
Speaker 3: of this generation, aren't they when you think about it,
Speaker 3: because they're saying more than four in ten austraeteens, so
Speaker 3: forty percent suffer from mental health distress, with experts saying
Speaker 3: that you know, the case are now on the rise,
Speaker 3: and this is being attributed to social media. But what
Speaker 3: is even more scary is they're saying the rate of
Speaker 3: hospitalization for intentional self harm has surged. We're talking by
Speaker 3: seventy percent in young young women between the age of
Speaker 3: fifteen and nineteen, and that's from two thousand and eight,
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine to twenty twenty one, twenty two.
Speaker 3: So in a very very short amount of time, the
Speaker 3: warning flags are being raised. And so I mean, it's
Speaker 3: a long winded answer, but I'm not an expert, but
Speaker 3: if kids are harming more and there's more distress, then
Speaker 3: you know, there's got to.
Speaker 2: Be a way to do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think technology is such an intrinsic part
Speaker 3: of the lives of everybody, but we as adults can
Speaker 3: be discerning enough to put it away sometimes.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, you know, it's like for me, it's
Speaker 1: a little bit like, you know, cigarettes kill lots of people,
Speaker 1: but then I've never had a cigarette you either.
Speaker 3: Right, No, No, I had a we will them two
Speaker 3: cigar once mate when we were fourteen, and we almost
Speaker 3: choked the death and that did it for me.
Speaker 1: Now, well, thanks for interrupting for that. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: whether or not it's well, I don't think that's a cigarette,
Speaker 1: whether or not it's booze or cigarettes or technology or
Speaker 1: pawn or you know, like it's we don't have to
Speaker 1: use social media, like it's not a rule. But as
Speaker 1: you and I have spoken about before, if you're fourteen
Speaker 1: years old, you've never had a world without technology. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's well, maybe a few kids in Australia
Speaker 1: who grew up in you know, on farms in rural wherever,
Speaker 1: or in the outback or whatever, but the vast majority
Speaker 1: of fourteen year old Australian kids have pretty much had
Speaker 1: their whole life interwoven with technology in one shape or form.
Speaker 1: And I guess yeah, it's like do we get rid
Speaker 1: of it? Do we ban it? Or do we teach
Speaker 1: them how to you know, it's like do we teach
Speaker 1: kids how to eat well? Do we teach kids how
Speaker 1: to move their body well? And look after their irreplaceable
Speaker 1: gift that is their body, do we I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like when you just I feel like if you
Speaker 1: just ban it, I don't know that you're teaching them anything,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that that is going to be
Speaker 1: a solution. And at the same time, you think about, well,
Speaker 1: if not for social media and technology and you and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be doing this and we wouldn't have, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, half a million listeners a month and all
Speaker 1: the great things that we have. So I don't know
Speaker 1: that of themselves that all of these things are good
Speaker 1: or bad, but the rather the way that they are
Speaker 1: used and experienced and I guess exploited. And you're right,
Speaker 1: like Meta is a for profit company. It's not a
Speaker 1: charity metas you know, despite what they'll say, which is
Speaker 1: all pr and as is it. Of course, every company
Speaker 1: wants to be seen to be morally conscious and ethical,
Speaker 1: of course because that's good for the brand. But the
Speaker 1: bottom line is the bottom line for most companies, like
Speaker 1: their bottom line is their profit. And if you can
Speaker 1: the longer that you can keep people on their sites
Speaker 1: or on their apps or whatever it is, as we've
Speaker 1: said before, the more profitable it is for them. Right.
Speaker 3: Look, you know, It's funny whilst you were talking, two
Speaker 3: things popped into mind. You know, you make that mental
Speaker 3: ledger the pros and cons. And I'm going to ask
Speaker 3: you a question. When you were thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, living
Speaker 3: where you were was out MOOI wait, you know, out
Speaker 3: in the bush, would you if I sit to you
Speaker 3: now you can go back in time, would you want
Speaker 3: social media and to be able to actively actively be
Speaker 3: a part of it as a kid?
Speaker 1: Yeow, one hundred percent. No. However, look, I think I
Speaker 1: think old people and I'm going to not put you
Speaker 1: in that category, but me in that category. I think
Speaker 1: we tend to romanticize the past and we go, oh,
Speaker 1: back in my day, I want to punch people in
Speaker 1: the face. I'm like, back in your day, it was
Speaker 1: shit sometimes, you know what I mean. It's like you
Speaker 1: know that it's everyone thinks that now is shit and
Speaker 1: then was better, and like, I don't believe that. Like
Speaker 1: I think that they're being alive now, although there's a
Speaker 1: lot of shit going on. I think that being alive
Speaker 1: now depending on where you are, of course, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about you know, you and me living in first world
Speaker 1: luxury really in Australia, anyway, it's like it's never been
Speaker 1: a better time, Like it's never been We've never been
Speaker 1: more fortunate. Is there bad shit going on? Yes? Was
Speaker 1: there bad shit going on back then? I think a
Speaker 1: lot of the current dilemmas that we're dealing with are
Speaker 1: self created. But for me, I loved my childhood. But
Speaker 1: then there were kids in the same era as me
Speaker 1: who had terrible childhoods. But me personally, I wouldn't change it.
Speaker 3: No, So it's interesting you say that because on the
Speaker 3: flip side, for me, I had, for the most part,
Speaker 3: I had a pretty good upbringing. I had a lot
Speaker 3: of freedom, got on my bike, got up in the
Speaker 3: morning on a Saturday, and didn't come home till nighttime,
Speaker 3: you know, stayed at the mate's place. But as an
Speaker 3: older teen, and I'm thinking about this demographic we're talking about,
Speaker 3: I felt sad and isolated a lot of the time,
Speaker 3: psychologically mentally unconnected, and I it was Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: a really tough time. And if I had been able
Speaker 3: to connect with peers online, if I'd been able to
Speaker 3: realize that I was okay and that there were other
Speaker 3: people like me, then my negative thoughts self harm probably
Speaker 3: wouldn't have happened, so I.
Speaker 1: Think, and that's a beautiful example of there is no
Speaker 1: right or wrong, but it's right and wrong for the individual.
Speaker 1: And it's like, for you, I agree, it probably would
Speaker 1: have made your life better. I don't think it would
Speaker 1: have made my life better, but it may it may have.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think for you that's a
Speaker 1: and I think, like when we extrapolate this, mate, you think, well,
Speaker 1: there are lots of kids who use social media without problems,
Speaker 1: and there are lots that probably more that have. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the percentage is, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: sometimes I think we need to figure out what is
Speaker 1: the underlying cause, because it's like technology can be used
Speaker 1: for great stuff, but not so great stuff.
Speaker 2: Can I throw some stats at you?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 3: So there's a campaign called let Them Be Kids, and
Speaker 3: they did a serve a recently of over three thousand
Speaker 3: social media users and this is what their pole come
Speaker 3: up with. Seventy percent of teens have had a negative
Speaker 3: experience on social media, three has been exposed to disturbing
Speaker 3: or traumatic content, Forty five percent have been abused or harassed,
Speaker 3: one in four have been cyber bullied or sexually harassed.
Speaker 3: Fifty nine percent have been scammed and one in ten
Speaker 3: have been the victim of revenge porn. So when those
Speaker 3: statistics are thrown out, it's frighteningly high. And I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, it's three thousand social media users. Now I'd
Speaker 3: want to dig further into those stats, to be honest,
Speaker 3: I'd want to know, you know, the demographic spread, all
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. But those seem like pretty worrying
Speaker 3: statistics to me. And I guess we have to rely
Speaker 3: on the experts and not rely on knee jerk, not
Speaker 3: rely on you know, the media blowing things out of proportion.
Speaker 3: And I guess what you do is you set up
Speaker 3: working groups with psychologists, with people who understand the industry,
Speaker 3: and you get the brains into the building. And that's
Speaker 3: how you make those decisions. You know, often you think
Speaker 3: about politics, where I certainly think about politics, and you think,
Speaker 3: I wonder how many politicians actually did science and have doctorates,
Speaker 3: And they don't because generally, the pool of people, the
Speaker 3: talent pool of people who want to get into politics
Speaker 3: generally don't come from the science and technology background.
Speaker 2: But that's why you employ experts.
Speaker 3: From the CSIRO and other organizations to be advisors. So
Speaker 3: I guess my response to all of this is we
Speaker 3: can speculate as much as we like and kind of
Speaker 3: look back and reminisce and they wouldn't have been nice.
Speaker 2: But the reality is, I guess it's out of our hands.
Speaker 3: And I hope that whoever does make the decisions is
Speaker 3: asking the right questions of the right people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's very valid. There's also
Speaker 1: there's also another component that I think of, which is
Speaker 1: is teaching people to be able to self regulate and
Speaker 1: make good decisions. And what doors do I open? You know,
Speaker 1: what metaphoric doors do I open? If I choose to
Speaker 1: go and watch porn? You know that can become problematic. Well,
Speaker 1: nobody put a gun to my head. But I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: I'm going back each day or if I choose to.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying that the kids are at fault.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, we stick like we For me,
Speaker 1: I find this a little bit. What's the words. I'm
Speaker 1: curious and fascinated around being a teenager now, the experience
Speaker 1: of being a teenager, because in a minute they're going
Speaker 1: to be adults, right, and the world doesn't give a
Speaker 1: fuck about your emotions or your feelings, right, and so
Speaker 1: when you step out of the nest, you know, the
Speaker 1: bubble where everyone's like you okay, And we need that.
Speaker 1: Of course, we need love, care, compassion, of course, but
Speaker 1: also at the same time, we need to build kids
Speaker 1: to be able to or to help empower them to
Speaker 1: be able to be strong and resilient and make good
Speaker 1: decisions and be aware and be in charge of their
Speaker 1: own life. And you know, because the fourteen year old
Speaker 1: in a minute is going to be an adult with
Speaker 1: a job or at university and driving a car and
Speaker 1: legally drinking booze and socializing with other adults. And so
Speaker 1: while we need to protect them, of course, I think
Speaker 1: we also need to from a sociological, psychological, emotional point
Speaker 1: of view, help equip them so that they are independently thinking,
Speaker 1: critically making decisions, and that they can build emotional and
Speaker 1: psychological resilience. Because the only person who can ultimately manage
Speaker 1: your life is you. So like, let's yes, let's do
Speaker 1: all of these things, let's make decisions. But you know,
Speaker 1: like I would want if I And of course this
Speaker 1: is just an old white guy with no children, so
Speaker 1: whatever it means, But I know a little bit about
Speaker 1: human behavior. But if I had kids, I would want
Speaker 1: them to come out the other side of their teenage
Speaker 1: years as a really well prepared adult for life. So
Speaker 1: I think there's a big emphasis on don't let them
Speaker 1: do this, do let them do that, all of that,
Speaker 1: but also how do we help them self regulate so
Speaker 1: that we're not running the show and we're empowering them
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: My friends, I've got a great couple of friends who
Speaker 3: live now near you, as you know, and they've got
Speaker 3: two boys, young ones a young man now, the other
Speaker 3: one's still about turn fifteen. But what's always impressed me
Speaker 3: about them is they've never been shoved in the corner
Speaker 3: while adults are present.
Speaker 2: What they do is encourage dialogue.
Speaker 3: So we play board games, they sit at the table,
Speaker 3: they join into the discussions, so there's no taboo subjects.
Speaker 3: They're pretty open about whatever discussion happens to come up,
Speaker 3: and they'll answer questions. And I think that approach leads
Speaker 3: to a more worldly and sometimes we underestimate young people
Speaker 3: the intellect, the sense for wanting to know and understand,
Speaker 3: and so I think in a lot of ways, the
Speaker 3: approach that individuals take, whether you happen to be a
Speaker 3: parent or a grandparent or a friend of so always
Speaker 3: being open to have discussion, and so maybe that's the approach.
Speaker 3: I'm going to change the topic a little bit, if
Speaker 3: that's okay with you, because this is something that I
Speaker 3: was really really wondering about. When you go to a shop,
Speaker 3: do you ask for a receipt? You know they've got
Speaker 3: the button sometimes receipt you ask do you get the receipt?
Speaker 1: I know I probably should say it depends on what
Speaker 1: it is, but in general terms, no, Well.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because generally the fact that you ask for
Speaker 3: a receipt can sometimes work out whether you're a millennial
Speaker 3: or you're older.
Speaker 2: Evidently, so really older people always.
Speaker 3: Ask for receipts, and young people can't understand why we
Speaker 3: use receipts. My caveat on that is if I'm getting
Speaker 3: anything that I might potentially need to take back, and
Speaker 3: I have an electronic version because you know, I do
Speaker 3: my JB shop and I always get it sent to
Speaker 3: my phone because we all remember remember the old I
Speaker 3: think they still do that thermal paper where the receipt
Speaker 3: ends up fading anyway, so there's not really much point
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then like one side was shiny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, my bookkeeper always gives me a hard
Speaker 3: time about not keeping receipts, but I do the I
Speaker 3: just snap a photo of them with quick books on
Speaker 3: my phone, and that way I don't get in trouble
Speaker 3: every week, which I normally do for spending stuff and
Speaker 3: buying stuff I shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was interesting that you don't keep receipts.
Speaker 3: But evidently gen Z generation Z doesn't have wallets or
Speaker 3: time for paper.
Speaker 2: I mean that's true too.
Speaker 3: I mean my wallet, I should admit this sits in
Speaker 3: my car never ever ever is in my pack?
Speaker 1: Could you not say that ship on a podcast?
Speaker 2: Did I leave my walk in my car? I do
Speaker 2: lock my car most of the time.
Speaker 1: Well, geez, because nobody can get into a car ever,
Speaker 1: so well, that's totally secure.
Speaker 2: I don't even have to break a window.
Speaker 3: The other day, I let the window open, got back
Speaker 3: after shopping at the local supermarket and thought, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I opened the window.
Speaker 1: There's I don't yeah, I'm I'm I just paid for
Speaker 1: everything through my phone, like I don't. I don't even
Speaker 1: take money. I don't even take my wallet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as you know, when we've gone out anywhere,
Speaker 2: I use my watch. But it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I just was curious as to whether or not you
Speaker 3: fell into that category as an old fogie.
Speaker 1: But well, I am probably, I'm probably. I don't know that,
Speaker 1: you know. In some ways, I'm probably an old fogy. Probably.
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm a little bit atypical. You know, I could
Speaker 1: literally be a granddad, which is fucking hilarious. Tell me
Speaker 1: about neural link one of my favorite things in the
Speaker 1: world of technology. I'm so fascinated with this thing and
Speaker 1: what's going to happen with it over the next year
Speaker 1: or ten.
Speaker 3: Okay, one bloke's got it so far, and there's now
Speaker 3: pushed to get two more people. So it's been given
Speaker 3: FDA approval in the United States, the medical authority that
Speaker 3: basically says you can do real life experimentation.
Speaker 2: I suppose.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The thing is, what we need to understand is the
Speaker 3: person who has had the implant has now been able
Speaker 3: to they're totally incapacitated, and they're able to play video
Speaker 3: games and do a whole lot of stuff on a
Speaker 3: computer that they weren't.
Speaker 2: Able to previously.
Speaker 3: So it's given them a level of freedom that they
Speaker 3: hadn't previously experienced.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've spoken about this. I would hate
Speaker 2: to have anything implanted in my head.
Speaker 3: However, that's all a relative decision, because if you were
Speaker 3: trapped in your body, you probably would. So the neural
Speaker 3: link now they're talking about the next two people are
Speaker 3: potentially going to be implanted with Elon Musk's chip. The
Speaker 3: only thing that would worry me is that, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but there are
Speaker 3: certain features in Tesla's that don't get turned on unless
Speaker 3: you pay a subscription, So you know, could you imagine
Speaker 3: if and that's even speed limiting I heard recently. Could
Speaker 3: you imagine if you bought, you know, one of your
Speaker 3: great bikes that you've got, if they said, oh, you
Speaker 3: buy subscription, it could go faster.
Speaker 2: It's like, what's I mean, I own I paid for it,
Speaker 2: now you want to make me unlock.
Speaker 1: That's what scares me about about Essentially, cars that are
Speaker 1: a computer on air on wheels, and you think about
Speaker 1: the fact that they can literally from from wherever in
Speaker 1: the world, they can program your car to do different stuff,
Speaker 1: to have more power, to to be able to access
Speaker 1: different features or whatever. Well, if they can do that,
Speaker 1: surely they can make the brakes not work or somebody.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, obviously Tesla wouldn't do that, but
Speaker 1: but imagine if somebody like things get hacked all the time.
Speaker 1: And I just I just I am. I'm not as
Speaker 1: optimistic about the cars. And I love cars on my
Speaker 1: car head, but I'm not as optimistic about all the
Speaker 1: technology that's happening in cars right now, even EV's. I
Speaker 1: think theoretically electronic electric vehicles are a good idea, but
Speaker 1: I don't know that practically that's going to work out.
Speaker 1: We know that EV price is secondhand prices are plummeting
Speaker 1: and second hand and new sales are dropping. I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's something to be said for like a basic car
Speaker 1: that runs well, that doesn't that isn't completely technologically dependent.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It just makes me
Speaker 1: a little nervous.
Speaker 3: Imagine that you never have to go to a petrol
Speaker 3: station ever again, that you get in your car and
Speaker 3: it's fully charged, You drive off, get home, plug it
Speaker 3: back in again, and it's ready to go again.
Speaker 1: But imagine imagine I'm driving to Ron and Mary's and
Speaker 1: I run out and there's no EV station like this
Speaker 1: is I mean, this is happening to a lot of
Speaker 1: people because there's there's the limitation of they can't and
Speaker 1: then when you've got to charge, you've got to wait
Speaker 1: minimum forty five minutes for it to charge. So I
Speaker 1: know what you're saying, but it's not all that positive,
Speaker 1: and you're very pro ev and I understand it, and
Speaker 1: I'm not pro ORAENTTI. I'm just I'm like, I'm interested
Speaker 1: in the reality of Look, I could be completely wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go on the record, I don't think
Speaker 1: electric vehicles are going to take off.
Speaker 3: All right, I respond to that, no, Go okay. First
Speaker 3: thing is, if you're planning to go and visit your
Speaker 3: folks and you had an electric vehicle, you would be
Speaker 3: able to instantly know what the range is and how
Speaker 3: many charging stations there are between there. So cars are
Speaker 3: now smart enough to know whether you've got the range
Speaker 3: to get there, and if you don't have the range,
Speaker 3: where you can get to and then charge up accordingly.
Speaker 3: So it is planned around it to have brunch or
Speaker 3: a lunch or something on the way there, but.
Speaker 1: Not if you don't want to have brunch or lunch.
Speaker 1: Like you go, oh wow, I can fill up at Warrigal,
Speaker 1: but it's fucking an hour to fill up. Like I
Speaker 1: know you're trying to do the sales pitch. I get it.
Speaker 1: But also it doesn't know the exact driving range because
Speaker 1: there are so many variables. How many people are in
Speaker 1: the car, the weight of the passengers affects the range,
Speaker 1: how fast you drive affects the range. It's not perfect technology,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. But I think they're you know, I
Speaker 1: think there's a case for them. I'm not anti them
Speaker 1: at all. In fact, the idea excites me. But I
Speaker 1: think there's so many natural resources that are actually being
Speaker 1: used in production it's almost ironic. And we've even got
Speaker 1: electric charging stations in remote areas that are being fueled
Speaker 1: by diesel generators, which is the fucking height of irony.
Speaker 1: And it's not a few, it's it's a lot. So
Speaker 1: is it? Look, I could be wrong, and if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to go I'm wrong, But I
Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think e these are the magic
Speaker 1: pill that we think they might be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know how I said, I have two points? Yeah, Okay, cold,
Speaker 3: I say my second one.
Speaker 1: No, you, you and your two points? All right?
Speaker 3: You did you actually rightly mentioned that the uptake of
Speaker 3: electric vehicles and we're just saying Australia is an ecosystem
Speaker 3: has been a little bit slow, so they you know,
Speaker 3: there was this initial burst and that's been fairly consistent.
Speaker 3: But I think that the limiting factor has been the
Speaker 3: entry level price. And you know, I have come out
Speaker 3: and said many times that I couldn't afford an electric
Speaker 3: car when I needed a car just after COVID, so
Speaker 3: I didn't get we've got a hybrid instead.
Speaker 2: However, that's said, we are soon going.
Speaker 3: To see a big flood of electric Chinese cars hitting
Speaker 3: the market, which will be under forty thousand dollars. And
Speaker 3: I think that may be the additional hurdle because you know,
Speaker 3: you're right, going.
Speaker 2: From where you live and doing.
Speaker 3: Long distance tripping can be problematic, but if you could
Speaker 3: drive just in a city, electric vehicles are fantastic.
Speaker 2: Think of the reduction in pollution. And there are some
Speaker 2: really great little cars.
Speaker 3: There's an amazing car that Reno put out which was
Speaker 3: termed as a buggy and not allowed in Australia.
Speaker 2: It was a one seater and it had goal wing doors.
Speaker 3: This is like the ultimate mrdy little electric car maximum
Speaker 3: speed maybe fifty clicks. If I could have bought one
Speaker 3: for I think it was maybe fifteen grand I would
Speaker 3: be driving that around my little town and doing my
Speaker 3: shopping and put Fritzy on my lap and we'd just
Speaker 3: be driving around, pottering around in my little electric vehicle.
Speaker 2: I saw it in Europe when I was over there
Speaker 2: in Malta, and it's like, I love this car. It
Speaker 2: was so cool.
Speaker 3: But Reno weren't allowed to bring it into Australia because
Speaker 3: it was classified as a buggy, not as a car.
Speaker 3: And that's why this little electric vehicle, it may have
Speaker 3: had a range of maybe one hundred and twenty k's
Speaker 3: not far and you wouldn't put on a highway.
Speaker 2: But what a.
Speaker 3: Great little vehicle just to be you whizzing around And
Speaker 3: if you think about where you live parking, you park
Speaker 3: straight into the right into the curb because the car
Speaker 3: is so small, it's it's as long as a standard
Speaker 3: car is wide, so you know, you would have many
Speaker 3: more parking spaces, potentially two to three more parking spaces
Speaker 3: per parking space, and for zipping around in suburbia. They'd
Speaker 3: be fantastic.
Speaker 1: You know what, it'd be better a scooter that you
Speaker 1: park on the footpath out of everyone's.
Speaker 2: Way, which I have, which I have.
Speaker 1: No, you have a scooter.
Speaker 2: No you don't have it.
Speaker 1: You are a toy. That's not a scooter. That's a
Speaker 1: fucking that's something from kmart. That's seven year olds.
Speaker 3: Rightlome is an hour downhill with the hell what do
Speaker 3: you get in the fucking the race position?
Speaker 1: Do you flection your these? Get your head down behind
Speaker 1: the handlebars.
Speaker 2: I bought a new helmet the other day.
Speaker 3: Well, it's black, it's kind of it's kind of gun
Speaker 3: metal gray.
Speaker 2: It looks a bit cool, and it's got the fate. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know I'm not gonna win you.
Speaker 1: It looks a bit cool. He's the guy who rides
Speaker 1: a scooter that goes twenty segway.
Speaker 2: Scooter that folds down flat.
Speaker 3: It's pretty. It's got lights on it. I can make
Speaker 3: it flash lights as well.
Speaker 1: I've done. By the way, you can't drive with a
Speaker 1: dog on your lap. It's illegal. You're welcome, all right.
Speaker 1: So you're very excited about a new gadget, which is
Speaker 1: not uncommon for you because you get easily excited about gadgets,
Speaker 1: But what is it?
Speaker 2: AI headphones?
Speaker 1: What does that even mean?
Speaker 2: Okay, you've got noise canceling headphones, haven't you?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 2: Okay, So noise canceling headphones are fantastic.
Speaker 3: I wear them on public transport and flying because they
Speaker 3: can listen to a sound and wipe out a consistent sound,
Speaker 3: so an noise, which means you get a.
Speaker 2: Much better trip.
Speaker 3: Whereas these new noise canceling headphones are out of sight.
Speaker 3: These are amazing. If you can imagine putting on noise
Speaker 3: canceling headphones, being in a crowded room and I look
Speaker 3: at you for three or four seconds, the AI built
Speaker 3: into the noise canceling system will wipe out all the
Speaker 3: other voices, all the other noises except your voice, and
Speaker 3: even if you walk around, it will still continue to
Speaker 3: listen to.
Speaker 2: Just your voice.
Speaker 3: So particularly, I've got a good friend of mine who
Speaker 3: has hearing problems. They had an infection and an illness
Speaker 3: and was similar to tenatus. And admit that he's now
Speaker 3: very socially isolated if in large groups, and we've had
Speaker 3: this discussion.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even have big birthday parties.
Speaker 3: Generally it's small gathering because he just can't cope with
Speaker 3: all these voices. So these headphones that they're they're developing
Speaker 3: at the University of Washington, so researchers are currently working
Speaker 3: on these. They're an adaptive noise canceling so you can
Speaker 3: isolate a single person that you're having a conversation with
Speaker 3: in a room and cancel every other sound out. That
Speaker 3: to me is fantastic, Isn't that? That's so cool?
Speaker 1: How's your memory, Grandpa?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was that I spoke to you about this last episode?
Speaker 2: Did you really?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I told you, Yeah, I told you. I just
Speaker 1: watched a video. There was a dude and he was
Speaker 1: sitting at a table and everyone was talking and it
Speaker 1: was crazy, and then he was talking to another guy.
Speaker 1: Then all of the other noise drowned out and you
Speaker 1: could just hear his voice. So thanks for repeating that
Speaker 1: story that I broke last time. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Oh geez, I really pay attention to you, don't I.
Speaker 1: You really should. But having said that is it is
Speaker 1: a really good idea, And I mean, imagine that's one
Speaker 1: of my things. I just, you know, old person alert.
Speaker 1: But yeah, being in really you know where you know,
Speaker 1: We're in unim environment and a million people are talking,
Speaker 1: which is not good or bad. But then trying to
Speaker 1: actually have a meaningful dialogue with somebody where you're essentially
Speaker 1: got to yell into their ear to it's not really
Speaker 1: optimal for me, but being able to. But are these
Speaker 1: actual headphones that you are they you've got to wear
Speaker 1: over your ears or are they ones that you stick
Speaker 1: in your ear?
Speaker 3: They're still developing them, and I guess there's also the
Speaker 3: bone conducting ones as well. Because noise cancelation is just
Speaker 3: a negative wave, isn't it. So what happens is when
Speaker 3: you put the headphones on, if you've got a consistent frequency,
Speaker 3: they then invert that frequency and it cancels it out
Speaker 3: so effectively.
Speaker 2: If it can do.
Speaker 3: That, it wouldn't Why if you just put your headphones on,
Speaker 3: are you blocking me out?
Speaker 1: I just put on the noise canceling My.
Speaker 2: God, that is so rude.
Speaker 1: Do you know when I put on I have Sony
Speaker 1: I think they're called one thousand W X or X.
Speaker 1: You know they're really good? Break dad, I press the button. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I press the button and the lady goes noise canceling
Speaker 1: on and all of a sudden the room just like
Speaker 1: it's like now I'm in a vacuum. It's so fucking
Speaker 1: effective that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, noise cancelation's really cool. So in answer to your question,
Speaker 3: I don't know that they've got to the point where
Speaker 3: I mean headphones as opposed to earbuds infer that they
Speaker 3: go over your ears. So, but you can get inner
Speaker 3: ear noise canceling headphones as well. And I guess if
Speaker 3: you're going to be in a social setting, you do
Speaker 3: want to be able to be as subtle as possible
Speaker 3: rather than you know, the old chunky headphones. But have
Speaker 3: you noticed kids are wearing them down the street now more? Yes,
Speaker 3: over ear headphones have become really popular that you know that.
Speaker 3: I've got this a teenager who works for me, who
Speaker 3: works after schools sixteen, and he walks in. He's got
Speaker 3: his headphones on. Hi, how you doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Hi, sits down, does his work with his headphones on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's well. At the gym, it's it's like it's
Speaker 1: the thing like if you are in the gym, or
Speaker 1: if you're in the gym where I train at four thirty,
Speaker 1: you will be the odd one out if you're not
Speaker 1: wearing over ear headphones. If there's twenty people in there,
Speaker 1: seventeen people have got headphones. If they're not on their head,
Speaker 1: they're around their neck.
Speaker 3: How do you train with headphones on? A You'll get
Speaker 3: sweaty and that would be really uncomfortable. And B it's
Speaker 3: impractical if you're doing you know, any of the exos.
Speaker 2: I don't understand.
Speaker 1: I can't, man, man, it's all they do. Like there's
Speaker 1: young dudes who are doing you know, squats, deadlifts, chins,
Speaker 1: like all of it. And they, in fact, they I
Speaker 1: think they train better with them on. It's like they
Speaker 1: almost can't train unless they have How about something blaring.
Speaker 2: Watch out the smith Machine's falling on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's one.
Speaker 2: Of the fact surely that is dangerous as well.
Speaker 1: I think we should call our episodes grumpy old pricks
Speaker 1: like just. But it's like it is sometimes frustrating when
Speaker 1: someone's well. One of the consequences, potential consequences and very
Speaker 1: common consequences in a gym, usually young dudes banging weights
Speaker 1: like a fucking cyclone, like just, and they don't know
Speaker 1: because they've either got noise canceling and or loud music
Speaker 1: so they can't hear the noise that they're making in
Speaker 1: the gym, and when you go over and politely suggest
Speaker 1: that they don't drop or bang weights or make they
Speaker 1: look at you quizzically like what. But then, you know,
Speaker 1: old old grumpy guy in the gym, Maybe I should
Speaker 1: just put on noise canceling headphones and then I can't
Speaker 1: talk to the crab.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, remember the good old days when
Speaker 3: astronauts met cats on the moon and played with them
Speaker 3: and provided care to them. Do you remember that? Do
Speaker 3: you remember that when the cats went to the moon
Speaker 3: and it helped us.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you got there from what I
Speaker 1: was talking about, But why what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: It's about the good old days, you know, when you
Speaker 3: didn't overhear earheadphones at the gym and cats went to
Speaker 3: the moon. So Google's AI has been criticized in the past,
Speaker 3: right because they're trying to incorporate Google AI into their
Speaker 3: search algorithm, which means you use AI and at summarizes information.
Speaker 2: However, it's pulled up.
Speaker 3: Well, initially they got in trouble because people were typing
Speaker 3: in Nazis and they had people of color and Asian
Speaker 3: people wearing you know, Nazi uniforms and it went one way.
Speaker 3: So visually it was just crazy, you know, vikings that
Speaker 3: had really good hands. And now they've done some searches
Speaker 3: and they found that the AI picked up things like
Speaker 3: you know, Neil Armstrong said one small step for man
Speaker 3: because it was a cat size step and buzz Aldron
Speaker 3: also deployed cats on the Apollo eleven miss mission. So
Speaker 3: because there's so much stuff about cats on the Internet,
Speaker 3: somehow the AI algorithm has picked up this connection between
Speaker 3: the moon landings and ma and cats. And what's problematic
Speaker 3: is that there are lots of errors coming up with
Speaker 3: this search algorithm, so it's generating flawed responses. And that's
Speaker 3: really been a big criticism because you know, obviously we
Speaker 3: we've got to a point where we take a lot
Speaker 3: of for granted, you know, doctor Google, if we've got
Speaker 3: a concern. I mean, I would probably be more inclined
Speaker 3: if I had a I don't know, a skin condition
Speaker 3: and I jumped online and I wanted to find out
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 2: I would look at those results and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: Mayo clinic. I probably think that would be okay.
Speaker 3: Well, a government service, you know, I look at the
Speaker 3: u UR l I look at the website. But you know,
Speaker 3: another example is that what an eerror recently that got
Speaker 3: pulled up by this AI search function was put glue
Speaker 3: on a pizza like and that you know, there was
Speaker 3: I think it was asked how many presidents of the
Speaker 3: United States were Muslim and it came up with Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: So that's wrong and we know it's wrong.
Speaker 3: So this misinformation is really kind of broading the trust
Speaker 3: in a search engine that we've invested a lot of
Speaker 3: faith in. We'll think about it the term googling something well.
Speaker 1: Also when you don't know, when you you know, when
Speaker 1: you don't know that it's wrong, but it sounds like,
Speaker 1: oh that reads well and it's from the Mayo whatever,
Speaker 1: or it's from a Harvard Medical review or but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not though, and you don't know that. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden that becomes you're in inverted Comma's truth.
Speaker 1: Now you're evangelizing that, oh, I guess what, but this
Speaker 1: is how that works, and then you're actually saying something
Speaker 1: that it is flawed or you know, improbable at the
Speaker 1: very least. I mean, and that's I asked chat GPT,
Speaker 1: I've got the four point zero the burger with the
Speaker 1: lot to does me a logo? I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see what it would come up with the other day.
Speaker 1: I don't have a logo, I don't need a logo,
Speaker 1: but I just went, designed me a logo with my
Speaker 1: name Craig Harper, and you know, basically, I'm going to
Speaker 1: I'm going to be working as a neuropsychologist, which I'm not,
Speaker 1: by the way, but I just wanted to see, you know,
Speaker 1: so I thought, brain mind, so it designs this thing,
Speaker 1: and it misspelled my name, so Craig Harper's it left
Speaker 1: out the eye so it had Crag Harper. I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: and and then I went then I typed it in
Speaker 1: again you misspelled my name, and then it got the
Speaker 1: Craig right and fucked something else up. Like it is.
Speaker 1: These are far from perfect tools, and I think the
Speaker 1: problem is when you're dealing with something that you know.
Speaker 1: It's like like the amount of pseudo experts. I'm not
Speaker 1: an expert by any on any kind of level, but
Speaker 1: who come out and say things that sounds scientifically valid
Speaker 1: and they're convincing, and they use terminology and people go, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess what if you do this, then that happens.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe not, you know, like, I think that's the
Speaker 1: danger or one of the dangers of getting all of
Speaker 1: your information on the internet. Which is even why even
Speaker 1: when I have actual experts on the show that I'm
Speaker 1: not sure not, oh you kind of are? You know,
Speaker 1: when we have like I have someone who's got a
Speaker 1: fucking doctorate in this or that and we're talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, something that is really a multi dimensional, complicated topic,
Speaker 1: I never I mean I always tell people this is
Speaker 1: not advice. This is not a personal prescription, This is
Speaker 1: not a recommendation. This is too even you and me,
Speaker 1: it's two blokes talking about stuff. Don't can use that
Speaker 1: with individual advice. You know, if we bring up something
Speaker 1: that kind of resonates and it might be something that
Speaker 1: is an important topic for you, then go and see
Speaker 1: the relevant person and then make decisions off the back
Speaker 1: of that. You know. That's why. And I think, well,
Speaker 1: we're fifteen hundred and nearly fifteen hundred and fifty episodes
Speaker 1: in how many things have I got wrong? Thousands? You know,
Speaker 1: because I'm human and normal, you know, so yeah, you
Speaker 1: got to you got to expose yourself to whatever you want.
Speaker 1: But think critically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this recent this AI researcher from Santa Fe Institute
Speaker 3: in New Mexico by the name of Melandy Mitchell.
Speaker 2: She she explained it really succinctly.
Speaker 3: She said, what's happening is that Google's AI isn't smart
Speaker 3: enough to figure out the difference between a citation and
Speaker 3: actual research. So if there's a citation and a reference
Speaker 3: to something, it doesn't necessarily mean that's true or factual
Speaker 3: or accurate. So, you know, if you've written a paper
Speaker 3: and there've been claims, you know it's remember the Mandala effect.
Speaker 2: You've heard the Mandala effect.
Speaker 1: I've heard of it. What is it?
Speaker 2: So effectively?
Speaker 3: You ask someone, do you remember when Nelson Mandela died
Speaker 3: in prison?
Speaker 2: And people say, yeah, that's right, he died in prison.
Speaker 3: Well, he didn't die in prison, was the president and
Speaker 3: you know of South Africa. So but it was the
Speaker 3: phrase was coined as the Mandala effect because we know
Speaker 3: that he was in jail for decades and he was
Speaker 3: in a very poor condition when he came out of jail.
Speaker 3: But for some reason, and the reason was called the
Speaker 3: Mandala effect is because people actually believed that and they
Speaker 3: false remembered that situation. So we're frail enough as it
Speaker 3: is with false memories and the way that our memory
Speaker 3: reconstructs itself. And sometimes it's great when you have siblings
Speaker 3: recounting a story and looking at the different ways that
Speaker 3: story was remembered.
Speaker 2: I don't have had that.
Speaker 3: You know, you talk to one of your mates, haven't
Speaker 3: caught up with you, and you misremember and your brains
Speaker 3: within the blanks.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's the same with eyewitness testimony. It's held
Speaker 1: in not very high regard because oh, well, where were
Speaker 1: your eyes on the other side of the street. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: so this happened inside the shop, and you were outside
Speaker 1: the shop on the other side of the street, and
Speaker 1: it was dusk, and the person had their back, you know,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's like, well, like there
Speaker 1: was the thing that happened, and then there was what
Speaker 1: you think happened. Like sometimes they're pretty desparate, you know.
Speaker 3: I was always I was saying to someone recently, there
Speaker 3: are always three sides to every story.
Speaker 2: Your side, my side, and the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, one of my favorite actresses, Scarlett Johanson, been
Speaker 1: in the news lately.
Speaker 2: Well, you you were a victim of this, I know
Speaker 2: recently you were the victim of someone copying your voice.
Speaker 2: Go listen to the last episode, did you Was there
Speaker 2: any comments about that it would be Yeah, yeah it was.
Speaker 1: It was actually funny, like it got worse through the
Speaker 1: show because you were making it up on the spot. Yes,
Speaker 1: but the stuff that you pre prepared in it, I
Speaker 1: think you told me it took about three minutes, but
Speaker 1: I listened. I didn't listen to the whole show, but
Speaker 1: I listened to that because I wanted to listen as
Speaker 1: a listener to see how the if you weren't if
Speaker 1: you didn't listen to it, everyone Patrick basically used took
Speaker 1: my fuck. I don't know. Can you tell people what
Speaker 1: you did?
Speaker 3: You took my voice and uploaded it to an AI
Speaker 3: to copy it, and then I was able to type
Speaker 3: in some text a statement by Craig on how much
Speaker 3: he liked me, how much better I was at him,
Speaker 3: how much the more handsome, And I did the intro
Speaker 3: to the show as Craig's voice mimicked by an AI,
Speaker 3: which was kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Actually was.
Speaker 3: It was fun doing it, and it was interesting as
Speaker 3: an exercise because we've spoken about it before and we
Speaker 3: know that the tools are out there, but I'd never
Speaker 3: done it, so I thought it'd be a nice little
Speaker 3: experiment to the show.
Speaker 2: But it was. It was kind of cool.
Speaker 3: And you know what I really wanted to know was
Speaker 3: has anybody sent you five bucks? No, because one of
Speaker 3: the other things we asked was for everybody send five
Speaker 3: dollars for me, and that you'd match whatever amount we raised. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was. It was worth a try.
Speaker 1: I reckon, No, that's not happening. Hey, as we're winding up,
Speaker 1: it was worth a try. Self balancing motorcycles. That's kind
Speaker 1: of annoy I think it's funny.
Speaker 2: Well, funny, you reckon. I thought this was really cool.
Speaker 3: So having only ever been a passenger on a bike
Speaker 3: and being told sternly by you, you need to lean
Speaker 3: into the same direction that I'm leaning into. Why why
Speaker 3: do I need to lean into the same direction that
Speaker 3: you're leaning to, Craig when you're at speed?
Speaker 1: Well, because we don't want to well what people try
Speaker 1: and do who are inexperienced on moti So say you're
Speaker 1: going into a left hand turn, well, and so your
Speaker 1: motorbike is leaning to the left because you're going into
Speaker 1: the car, and so you lean with it because you're
Speaker 1: one with a bike. But what some people do is
Speaker 1: they go, oh, I better counterbalance this, and so they
Speaker 1: try and hang off the other side like a fucking
Speaker 1: idiot and nearly kill everyone. So you lean into the corner.
Speaker 1: But but I mean, I can't imagine because I've been
Speaker 1: riding for so long, but I guess I could hypothetically
Speaker 1: imagine that. It feels like that's a dumb thing to
Speaker 1: do when you're on the back. Can intuitive Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seemed correct, And you're like, fuck, my knee is about
Speaker 1: three inches from the ground and my elbows about eight
Speaker 1: inches from the ground. I really should maybe lean the
Speaker 1: other way just to help crag out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how is the heaviest bike you've got?
Speaker 1: So, one of the bikes I've got is three hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two kilos what they call dry, So with
Speaker 1: motorbikes they say dry or wet, So without drying, yeah,
Speaker 1: without oil, without fuel, so so probably wet. It's about
Speaker 1: three hundred and eighty k's before I put my fat
Speaker 1: ass on it.
Speaker 3: So now, when you get to a set of lights
Speaker 3: and stop, rather than running the light, what's you do?
Speaker 1: Well, you've got to put your feet.
Speaker 3: Down obviously, No you don't, No, you don't, Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: Honda wait for this. Honda has unveiled riding assist technology,
Speaker 3: and what they demonstrated was a bloke with the bike stopped,
Speaker 3: standing on the bike, so standing actually on the bike
Speaker 3: headily things I don't know what they are, and with
Speaker 3: his arms out right, so his feet on the footpegs
Speaker 3: and his fully stretched out and the bike maintained it's up.
Speaker 2: How awesome is that?
Speaker 1: Well? How unnecessary is that? Because if you can't put
Speaker 1: your fucking feet on the ground, what's wrong with you? No?
Speaker 3: No, but what about when you're stuck in traffic you
Speaker 3: can't weave around and you're going you're going slight.
Speaker 2: The slower you go, the harder it is to balance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Are you trying to tell me about motorbikes? Now?
Speaker 1: I try and tell you about technology.
Speaker 2: Okay? Can I ask you a question? At the beginner's side.
Speaker 1: You know when you say can I ask you a question,
Speaker 1: that is of itself a question, So you should say,
Speaker 1: can I ask you another question?
Speaker 2: Did I ask you another question?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: What do you think is the biggest hurdle to young
Speaker 3: drivers or young riders when they're driving in slow traffic.
Speaker 3: What's the hardest thing for them to accomplish if they're
Speaker 3: slowing down to say five k's an hour.
Speaker 1: Well, what the inhibiting factor is their lack of skill
Speaker 1: and they can only get good by riding more.
Speaker 3: Ah, you deliberately didn't say balance as a contributing problem
Speaker 3: for younger riders or people.
Speaker 2: Who are in experience.
Speaker 3: Don't you think this would be great to have this
Speaker 3: rider assist writing technology.
Speaker 1: No bullshit, we're becoming so fucked and fragile. Now we
Speaker 1: need a self balancing fuck off with yourself balancing motorbike.
Speaker 2: I was so excited when I saw that.
Speaker 3: I thought Crago is going to get really happy and
Speaker 3: excited about this.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I do want, though, I want
Speaker 1: a robot dog that blow shit up. That's what I want.
Speaker 2: China's done it.
Speaker 3: So China seems to have been the first they got
Speaker 3: one of those robot dogs. We've seen them all, the
Speaker 3: Boston Dynamics dogs, and there's some weapon on the back
Speaker 3: of them. So now they've got who knows what they're
Speaker 3: going to be using them for urban warfare or just
Speaker 3: knows what. That's really pretty frightening, actually, you know I'd
Speaker 3: hate to think that they're autonomous. I could kind of
Speaker 3: understand if they were under remote control. But the idea
Speaker 3: of some sort of autonomous four legged, very fast, very
Speaker 3: agile upstairs, downstairs, round corners with a gun on top,
Speaker 3: we're just frightening to see.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the photos of it, but.
Speaker 3: Actually has deployed a dog, robot dog with a weapon
Speaker 3: on the back of it.
Speaker 1: I know, imagine sending that into bloody warfare, like into
Speaker 1: yeah exactly, I mean that, yeah, I mean the technology
Speaker 1: in that space is Yeah, that that that scares me
Speaker 1: a little bit, I mean, war scares me. Like fuck,
Speaker 1: that's a whole episode. Why can't we humans figure that
Speaker 1: shit out? Where allegedly the smartest species fuck, I don't know,
Speaker 1: have a look at some of the ship that we do,
Speaker 1: like some of the incredible shit we do and some
Speaker 1: of the horrible shit we do. I reckon dolphins and
Speaker 1: OCTOPI have got us covered. And elephants. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: elephants are super smart. Did you know that?
Speaker 2: I yeah, you just told me so.
Speaker 1: They must be and also quite emotionally evolved. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I love seeing the videos of elephants when they
Speaker 3: nurture and protect, and they really have quite strong family ties,
Speaker 3: don't they community sense of how they.
Speaker 1: They like dolphins too. They have language like they actually
Speaker 1: have like their version of you know, verbal communication obviously
Speaker 1: vastly different to us, but you know, all right, have
Speaker 1: you got a big fucking highlight to close something out on?
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about Scarlet, but we can discard her
Speaker 1: if you want. Have you got a banger that you
Speaker 1: want to finish with?
Speaker 3: So a lot of us use our browsers, and think
Speaker 3: when I talk about browsers, I'm talking about you know,
Speaker 3: using Google Chrome or Edge or one of the other browsers.
Speaker 3: But Microsoft's Edge browser, which is not as used as
Speaker 3: much as Chrome. And I guess if you're on an
Speaker 3: Apple device, you've got what safari?
Speaker 2: Is that what people know? Yeah, that's right, But this
Speaker 2: is a new feature that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: And I like to watch lots of videos, and a
Speaker 3: lot of independ and producers publish videos online. So foreign
Speaker 3: films smart small niche kind of five, ten, twelve, fifteen
Speaker 3: minute docos or whatever. But if there are in other
Speaker 3: languages and they don't have subtitles, that's really frustrating because
Speaker 3: they don't always have English subtitles. However, now Microsoft Edge
Speaker 3: will be able to translate and dub on the fly.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 3: So real time video translation on anything from YouTube, LinkedIn,
Speaker 3: you name it. And this is something that's going to
Speaker 3: be built into the browsers. So as you're watching, it
Speaker 3: could be from German, Hindi, Italian, Russian, Spanish, and it
Speaker 3: can convert it on the fly into English or the
Speaker 3: other way around if you happen to be a German speaker.
Speaker 2: So I thought that's kind of.
Speaker 3: Cool that now it's going to make that sort of
Speaker 3: content more accessible to people.
Speaker 2: Do you watch much YouTube or do you look at
Speaker 2: foreign films?
Speaker 1: Do you like, Yeah, I watched too much. I go
Speaker 1: down the old YouTube rabbit hole when I should be
Speaker 1: reading a research paper or something because I've got the
Speaker 1: attention of a four year old. But yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 1: But satally, I mean, that's amazing though, that you can
Speaker 1: watch something that is in a foreign language and have
Speaker 1: it convert in real time.
Speaker 2: So it's called co pilot. And my dream for this
Speaker 2: is to have smart glasses and travel around the world
Speaker 2: where someone talks to you in Chinese and you get
Speaker 2: the real time translation floating in front of you, like
Speaker 2: a little talk bubble. You know, you can imagine talk
Speaker 2: bubble appearing over the person as they're talking, and it's
Speaker 2: translating in real time. And if they were wearing the
Speaker 2: same smart glasses with this real time translation, then you
Speaker 2: you know, all the barriers to communication can be dropped.
Speaker 2: It would make life so fun and interesting.
Speaker 1: You know how there's always been talk about that eventually
Speaker 1: we're not going to have to verbally speak, because we'll
Speaker 1: just be able to read each other's minds or thoughts
Speaker 1: or whatever, which who knows.
Speaker 2: Frightening. I would not want to read your mind and
Speaker 2: you don't want to read it.
Speaker 1: I would not want anyone to like that's I'll be
Speaker 1: put in an asylum. But I wonder if like you go, okay,
Speaker 1: so now I can Elon Musk and Joe Rogan talk
Speaker 1: about this a lot, this idea. They're fucking infatuated with it.
Speaker 1: But I wonder if they ever got to that, if
Speaker 1: you go to another country, if you could understand, because
Speaker 1: they don't they don't think in English, like I wonder
Speaker 1: if do you know what I'm saying? It's like like
Speaker 1: when you're just thinking about something, Like when I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about something, it's not like there are words in my head.
Speaker 1: I this is a stupid conversation. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? For people's mind if you could read them
Speaker 1: in different countries.
Speaker 3: Some people have a condition where they can't verbalize in
Speaker 3: their head. They don't have the internal dialogue or internal narrator.
Speaker 3: So wow, that's yeah, that's a that's an ext condition
Speaker 3: that some people have. But I guess do we think
Speaker 3: in those arbitrary thoughts? You know, if I'm hungry, if
Speaker 3: I look at something and think that looks great.
Speaker 2: That's a really interesting question.
Speaker 3: As to whether on a deeper level, even though we
Speaker 3: may be applying words to that thought process, whether there
Speaker 3: is on a deeper level is translatable across languages if
Speaker 3: it was just the emotion that's built into that. So
Speaker 3: if I look at my dog and I look at
Speaker 3: him and I think of fondness and love because I
Speaker 3: love my dog.
Speaker 2: We're'm about to take him for a walk.
Speaker 3: I said the word, but in those senses, then, you know,
Speaker 3: I don't even understand how we do that.
Speaker 2: On a you know, kind of neurological I.
Speaker 1: Think the thought is just like we don't think in
Speaker 1: words like I'm not I'm not. I'm not looking out
Speaker 1: my window now at the beautiful trees in my yard
Speaker 1: thinking in my mind the words are, oh, they are
Speaker 1: beautiful grand trees. What a nice outlook like that's not happening,
Speaker 1: like there's just the I what that'll do? You've killed
Speaker 1: it again. For people who want to come and start
Speaker 1: your joint or you know, connect with you in some way,
Speaker 1: or take Fritz for a walk, or steal your wallet
Speaker 1: from your car, that's there. Watch your home address, watch
Speaker 1: your web address. How do people do that?
Speaker 2: Okay, our west of Melbourne.
Speaker 3: If you just drive on the highway for an hour
Speaker 3: and then pull off at the first time you get
Speaker 3: to that will be where I live.
Speaker 2: Traffic situation.
Speaker 3: I guess you could be end up Betty where no websites, NOOW,
Speaker 3: dot com, dot au. So that's I guess my business
Speaker 3: website building part of it. We do lots of that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff, and I don't really do the social
Speaker 3: thing very much in terms of connecting online. So if
Speaker 3: you want to contact me about stuff, you could just
Speaker 3: go to them and.
Speaker 2: Tie cheer at home. I do have some online tie.
Speaker 3: Cheat courses that Craig refuses to take part in and
Speaker 3: go to ty chair at home and do some free
Speaker 3: time chat classes or as I said, websites now, dot Com,
Speaker 3: tod au and check out what we do and all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, if I could, if I was more flexible than
Speaker 1: a fucking cricket bat, i'd get involved. But let me
Speaker 1: let me work on that. Patrick, Thank you, thanks Crego,
Speaker 1: Thanks Mat