WEBVTT - Sharri | 6 November

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<v Speaker 1>Why on Skynese. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to our special live coverage on this historic night.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump will be the forty seventh president of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. And this is a political comeback for the

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<v Speaker 2>ages from impeachment, the threat of jail, and even centimeters

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<v Speaker 2>away from death in assassination attempts. And what an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>night it's been. It wasn't close in the end. This

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<v Speaker 2>is in fact closer to a landslide win for Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>The President elect claimed victory before a euphoric crowd.

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<v Speaker 3>I will fight for you, for your family, and your future.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single day, I will be fighting for you, and

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<v Speaker 3>with every breath in my body, I will not rest

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<v Speaker 3>until we have delivered the strong, safe, and prosperous America

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<v Speaker 3>that our children deserve and that you deserve. This will

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<v Speaker 3>truly be the Golden Age of America.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what we have to.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a magnificent victory for the American people that

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<v Speaker 3>will allow us to make America great again.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking just over an hour ago, Donald Trump also welcomed

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<v Speaker 2>his new VP, who he said turned out to be

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<v Speaker 2>a good choice.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be the first to congratulate our great

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<v Speaker 3>now I can say Vice President elect of.

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<v Speaker 4>The United States. Job will.

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<v Speaker 3>Say a couple of words here.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, mister President, I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 6>Allowing me to join you on this incredible journey.

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<v Speaker 4>I thank you for the trust that you have placed

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<v Speaker 4>in me. And I think that we just witnessed the

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<v Speaker 4>greatest political comeback in the history of the United States

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<v Speaker 4>of America.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an extraordinary night. It is one you will

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<v Speaker 2>never forget. You have to watch the full coverage here

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<v Speaker 2>on Sky News. And in that speech, Donald Trump also

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<v Speaker 2>spoke about his near death experience.

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<v Speaker 3>Many people have told me that God spared my life

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<v Speaker 3>for a reason, and that reason was to save our

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<v Speaker 3>country and to restore America. To greet this and now

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<v Speaker 3>we are going to fulfill that mission. Together, We're going

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<v Speaker 3>to fulfill that mission.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump also credited Elon Musk. He described him as

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<v Speaker 2>a new star, and in a unifying message, Trump said

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<v Speaker 2>it was now time to heal the nation.

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<v Speaker 4>It has to be said.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has tonight also won the national vote, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can see he's won close to fifty one or more

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<v Speaker 2>than fifty one percent of the vote. His victory tonight

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<v Speaker 2>is decisive. This is how the electoral map is now looking. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>a red wave. Fox News is currently projecting that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>will win at least two hundred and seventy seven of

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<v Speaker 2>the electoral College votes, and that's just so far. In

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<v Speaker 2>his speech, Trump predicted that he might even end up

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<v Speaker 2>winning three hundred and fifty of the electoral College votes.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see Kamala Harris is currently sitting at two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty six states. The Republicans will also take control

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<v Speaker 2>of the Senate and likely even the House of Representatives.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, about five.

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<v Speaker 2>Or six hours ago, this initially looked like it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a close race, and that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>polls were telling us. But then the seven battleground states

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<v Speaker 2>all seemed to be going in Trump's favor as we

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<v Speaker 2>got an air right now, here's where they all stand,

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<v Speaker 2>the so called blue wave turning mostly to a red wave.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only states that haven't been called by Fox

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<v Speaker 2>News so far, I'm Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Alaska, those

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<v Speaker 2>four states remaining. The result was clear by one thirty

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<v Speaker 2>am local time in New Yorker in Washington, and you

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<v Speaker 2>remember at the last election in twenty twenty, it took

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<v Speaker 2>three days before there was a decisive result. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>delivered his victory speech at two thirty am local time.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a certain defeat for Kamala Harris, but tonight

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<v Speaker 2>she refused to concede. She didn't even turn up to

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<v Speaker 2>that or address her supporters who'd been waiting hours to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from her.

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<v Speaker 7>We will continue overnight to fight to make sure that

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<v Speaker 7>every voter's counted, that every voice has spoken. So you

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<v Speaker 7>won't hear from the.

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<v Speaker 2>Vice president tonight, but you will hear from her tomorrow. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a replica of twenty sixteen, when Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 2>also went home and only front of the nation the

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<v Speaker 2>next day. For a while, the results were nail biting

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<v Speaker 2>for many people watching, barracking for one team or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the moment that the news broke on air

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<v Speaker 2>that Donald Trump would be the next president of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States after he'd won Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 5>In what is going to be the biggest political phoenix

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<v Speaker 5>from the ashes story that we have ever seen.

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<v Speaker 8>This is a huge historic moment in the United States

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<v Speaker 8>of America as the former president Trump is closing in

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<v Speaker 8>with just a few electoral votes away now from clinching

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<v Speaker 8>to seventy as Pennsylvania is called for Donald.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump there is no path, brit Hume for Vice President Harris.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>The markets and cryptocurrencies reacted very well to the news

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump would return to the White House, but not

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<v Speaker 2>so much the TV hosts on MSNBC. They could barely

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<v Speaker 2>hide their upset, and one called the whole of Florida

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<v Speaker 2>an extremist, right wing fascist state.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a pure Project twenty twenty five in miniature in Florida.

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<v Speaker 9>And that kind of extreme, sort of extremist.

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<v Speaker 1>Right wing fascist type government in Florida.

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<v Speaker 9>Does that make it a more attractive place?

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<v Speaker 10>There are African American women who know a little bit

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<v Speaker 10>about being talked down to, you know, a little bit

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<v Speaker 10>about having their economic dreams crushed, who tried.

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<v Speaker 8>To dream a big dream over the past couple of months.

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<v Speaker 2>The postmodern for what went wrong with the Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>campaign has already begun now.

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats tried to make this election about.

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<v Speaker 2>Identity and personality, but this result tonight is all about policy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about the economy, the cost of living crisis, the

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<v Speaker 2>border and immigration crisis, crime, foreign policy, national security, and

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<v Speaker 2>leadership of the free world. These are the issues that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump fought his campaign on the Democrats couldn't fight the

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<v Speaker 2>election on policy because Kamala couldn't distance herself from the

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<v Speaker 2>current administration, which of course she was part of. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>she attacked Trump's personality. She called him a fascist, a hitler,

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<v Speaker 2>and Nazi, and the Democrats even claimed that democracy in

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<v Speaker 2>America would come to an end.

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<v Speaker 4>If Trump won.

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<v Speaker 2>And here was Winfrey with that very message on election Eve.

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<v Speaker 9>If we don't show up tomorrow, it is entirely possible

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<v Speaker 9>that we will not have the opportunity to ever cast

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<v Speaker 9>a ballot again.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was also an election about the elite and

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<v Speaker 2>the well off versus regular Americans struggling to make ends

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<v Speaker 2>meet for their family. Celebrities came out for Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>while Trump's so called Bros Strategy seems to have paid off.

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<v Speaker 2>And this has been an incredible night for Trump supporters

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<v Speaker 2>and for Republicans. And we've got full coverage on the

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<v Speaker 2>show tonight, starting right now with host of The US

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<v Speaker 2>Report and Outsiders, James Morrow in North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 4>James, great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>What were the final issues here that was so decisive

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<v Speaker 2>in some of these battleground states that really came in

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<v Speaker 2>hard for Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I can just tell you, Sherry about my experience

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<v Speaker 10>here in North Carolina the last few days. Everything people

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<v Speaker 10>talked about, you know, it was very uniform. All the

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<v Speaker 10>Trump supporters said the same thing. Economy, immigration, these were

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<v Speaker 10>the big things. They felt like the country was out

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<v Speaker 10>of control. And I'll tell you what. We were in

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<v Speaker 10>California earlier in the week and there where we met

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<v Speaker 10>Trump supports, they had very similar concerns, you know, And

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<v Speaker 10>it's really interesting to me because once upon a time

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<v Speaker 10>the Democrats got this. You know, Bill Clinton knew this,

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<v Speaker 10>James Carville knew this. It was the economy stupid, they

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<v Speaker 10>knew this. And then somehow, over the decades they kind

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<v Speaker 10>of abandoned that, and they got further and further caught

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<v Speaker 10>up in their own sort of obsessions about things, and

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<v Speaker 10>they became so unable to pivot back to where they

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<v Speaker 10>used to be. They vacated the field for Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 10>who on so many issues actually would have been almost

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<v Speaker 10>like a centrist Democrat thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>James, the polls were predicting this was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a very close result tonight, and it looked like it

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<v Speaker 2>was going that way for a while. But it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like it could be quite decisive for Donald Trump. At

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, Fox News has two hundred and seventy seven

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<v Speaker 2>Electric College votes here and in need of the two

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<v Speaker 2>seventy but it could get higher than that. There's still

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<v Speaker 2>four states where the votes are being counted as we speak,

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<v Speaker 2>so in the end, this might actually not be the

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<v Speaker 2>knife edge deadlocked result that everyone was predicting.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I mean, in fact, the fact, Sherry, that we

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<v Speaker 10>are talking about this result tonight and not saying, oh, gosh,

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<v Speaker 10>well we're gonna start the counting again tomorrow in Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 10>and Michigan. You know the fact that we're I even

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<v Speaker 10>talking about that, and that where you saw all the

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<v Speaker 10>numbers come in, Harris consistently underperformed everywhere across the map,

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<v Speaker 10>so that even when you know they still had huge

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<v Speaker 10>amounts of absite ballots to count in big cities like

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<v Speaker 10>did and Pennsylvania or Philadelphia and places like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>they're just mathematically weren't going to be enough in there

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<v Speaker 10>to get Harris over the line. So that's what we're

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<v Speaker 10>able to talk about this tonight. The other interesting thing, Sherry,

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<v Speaker 10>too is the popular vote, and if Donald Trump can

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<v Speaker 10>eke out a real proper you know, fifty point five

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<v Speaker 10>percent even when in the popular vote. This will shut

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<v Speaker 10>down so many critics, you say, oh, well these illegitimate.

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<v Speaker 10>The electoral college, is this threat to democracy? You know,

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<v Speaker 10>we heard this so many times here from the left

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<v Speaker 10>that you know, it is the electoral college that was

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<v Speaker 10>a real problem. And you know, it just shows that

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<v Speaker 10>Kamala Harris failed to perform. But it's no surprise she

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<v Speaker 10>was a failure to perform because she's never been a

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<v Speaker 10>great performer in anything she's done politically in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Democrats were relying on the youth vote, also

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<v Speaker 2>the women, but those votes either didn't come out strong

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<v Speaker 2>enough for her or you know, I mean, particularly when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the youth vote, yep, sew like the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats won college educated women, but not necessarily young men.

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<v Speaker 10>Young men absolutely ran a mile from the Harris campaign.

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<v Speaker 10>And you know, I think the Democrats have to only

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<v Speaker 10>themselves to blame for this. You know, and this happens

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<v Speaker 10>every cycle, but it's been happening more and more recently.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, the Left has become a very feminized party.

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<v Speaker 10>You can say, you know, well, with a lot of

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<v Speaker 10>their policies are concerned about abortion rights, reproductive rights and

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<v Speaker 10>all that sort of things. But also, you know, the

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<v Speaker 10>talk about things like toxic masculinity, you know, and the

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<v Speaker 10>sort of attacks on just sort of the male gender

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<v Speaker 10>is kind of this sort of problematic sort of idea,

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<v Speaker 10>and so guys picked this up. They're not stupid, and

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<v Speaker 10>they feel like they're not welcome, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 10>they look, what does Donald Trump have to offer. Well,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, he's got Joe Rogan, Dana White, and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>he's making them feel welcome. So it's like a no

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<v Speaker 10>brainer for young men. But also, you know, women also,

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<v Speaker 10>I think felt fairly patronized by this, this whole campaign

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<v Speaker 10>of Harris, because it sort of talked to them, talked

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<v Speaker 10>down to them, like, oh, you know, you need our

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<v Speaker 10>protection and so on, and I think it was quite

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<v Speaker 10>patronizing to some of that. We said, you know, actually,

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<v Speaker 10>there are more important issues I'm not just concerned about,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, your particular radical interpretation of you know, there's

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<v Speaker 10>be abortion for all forty weeks of pregnancy, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>which a lot of women find quite horrific. But also

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<v Speaker 10>you know that like women, like everybody else, have to

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<v Speaker 10>live in the real world with grocery prices and gas

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<v Speaker 10>prices and food prices and everything else, and they said,

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<v Speaker 10>you know what, this is not working for us. We

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<v Speaker 10>need to go back to where things were before.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, as I just said a moment ago, the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats tried to make this all about personality, all about

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump as a man. That's what they fought against,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas Trump was fighting on policy issues, and the most

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<v Speaker 2>critical of which that we saw from the exit polling.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the economy.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, just like in Australia, the United States

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<v Speaker 2>is going through a cost of living crisis. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a sense that the economy that people were better off

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<v Speaker 2>under Donald Trump when he was last president. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>happy with how things are going at the moment. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>surely not all of that is necessarily the fault of Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>But Donald Trump did lay out strong economic policy plan,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was one of the main issues, the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>issue that voters supported Trump over.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, that's the thing. He articulated plans, He talked

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<v Speaker 10>about things he wanted to do. He talked about things

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<v Speaker 10>that were unpopular, like tariffs with economists and you know,

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<v Speaker 10>the sort of people who make opinion and things like this.

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<v Speaker 10>But people understood what he was talking about and something

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<v Speaker 10>the voter told me in California really struck me. He said,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, one candidate doesn't tell you anything. The other

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<v Speaker 10>one tells you what they're going to do or what

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<v Speaker 10>they want to do. You might not like it, but

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<v Speaker 10>at least you know where they stand. And I think again,

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<v Speaker 10>Kambala Harris just left the field vacant. She came out

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<v Speaker 10>with beyond Cardi B and a bunch of you know,

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<v Speaker 10>second ate celebrities and you know, big deal, but that

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't affect anybody's praise of groceries. And it was from

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<v Speaker 10>the start with Harris, it was a vibe election. It was.

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<v Speaker 10>It started out with joy and that oh jd Vance

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<v Speaker 10>is weird and all of these different sort of emotional

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<v Speaker 10>triggers and pulls, but nothing that actually was practical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, And how embarrassing was that moment, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>when Cartie B got up there, she didn't have her

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<v Speaker 2>speech and everyone had to wait for a full minute

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<v Speaker 2>or more until she got her.

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<v Speaker 4>Speech because she just couldn't read.

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<v Speaker 2>She couldn't speak without having a teleprompter. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not even the celebrities work for Kamala Harris. James Murray

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<v Speaker 2>doing a terrific job, and you've put an all nighter,

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you very much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>All right for more coverage.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Kroger and former labor minister Graham Richardson. Now, mikeel, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to say it before you do. You were the

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<v Speaker 2>very first person to call this election, even when the

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<v Speaker 2>results were through. What time was it when you texted

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<v Speaker 2>me saying that Trump had won something like one o'clock today?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, that was well, there was obviously at one forty

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<v Speaker 11>four in one and to those good folk at Fox

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<v Speaker 11>News in America, he won all the seven seats. There's

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<v Speaker 11>not four in down. Trump won all seven. He's well

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<v Speaker 11>into the three.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't officially yet, but I'm just oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 11>All right, Well I'm officially I officially declared them at

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<v Speaker 11>one forty four Trump had won. It was very obviously

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<v Speaker 11>one and my only you know, as you know I've

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<v Speaker 11>been saying for the last few weeks, I thought his

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<v Speaker 11>favorite many hesitation was I didn't know whether the polls

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<v Speaker 11>had caught up with a shy Trump Voto effect. And

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<v Speaker 11>what is very clear that none of those poles in

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<v Speaker 11>America had caught up with a shy Trump voter effect.

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<v Speaker 11>They still haven't got it right. Whoever runs the news

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<v Speaker 11>poll in Australia or to open an office over there

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<v Speaker 11>and start polling America, because these clots that poll in

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<v Speaker 11>America have no idea. Listen to this, Shari. CNN published

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<v Speaker 11>a poll two days ago. They had Harris winning by

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<v Speaker 11>five in Michigan. She lost by six. They're eleven percent out.

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<v Speaker 11>They had it winning by six. In Wisconsin, she lost

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<v Speaker 11>by four, ten percent out. They all had winning the

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<v Speaker 11>popular of age. She's five million behind. And as Shawn

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<v Speaker 11>Spison mentioned that this will go down history that the

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<v Speaker 11>New York Times reported this Pole and Iowa by the

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<v Speaker 11>they described her as the revered independent polster Anna Selsa,

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<v Speaker 11>who had Harris winning by three. She lost by fourteen.

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<v Speaker 11>So what's the point of this. The point is none

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<v Speaker 11>of those polls in America have ever been able to

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<v Speaker 11>work out the shy Trump voter effect, which was why

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<v Speaker 11>you know cn inn an MSNBC hoodwinked all those people

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<v Speaker 11>into thinking that Harris was just in front or very competitive,

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<v Speaker 11>when in fact, as we know now, she was four

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<v Speaker 11>percent behind.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this.

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<v Speaker 2>Result says so much as well about the attitudes of

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<v Speaker 2>ordinary people. They don't want to be told what to

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<v Speaker 2>do by celebrities. They don't want it to be told

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<v Speaker 2>what to do by the mainstream media outlets, by the

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<v Speaker 2>political elite. You know, they're going to vote their own way.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was just such a devastating result for the

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats from that perspective as well. Now, Graham Richardson, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to say to you commiserations because you were hoping

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala would win. How devastated are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 7>I think shattered would be a reasonable description. No, I

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<v Speaker 7>think it's I'm very sad about it. I thought it

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<v Speaker 7>might go the other way. But you know, I'm full

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<v Speaker 7>of admiration for Trump. It's not easy to lose the presidency,

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<v Speaker 7>wait four years and come back. It's not easy to do.

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<v Speaker 7>It takes semina and it takes that kind of of

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<v Speaker 7>a character that will not ever take a backward step.

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<v Speaker 7>And you have to admire that. Doesn't matter where you

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<v Speaker 7>stand in politics, this is all Trump. He's had a

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<v Speaker 7>brilliant win. And I think if I was a Trump supporter,

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<v Speaker 7>the sham playing corks would definitely be a popping tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you imagine that a lot of not just Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, a lot of Australians would be celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>watching television tonight as we speak now, I bet that

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<v Speaker 2>your mate Albo will be just as devastated as you are.

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<v Speaker 1>Rich.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh but here he was tonight reacting to the news.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a look.

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<v Speaker 12>The relationship between Australia and the United States is an

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<v Speaker 12>important one for our country. It's a relationship that's important

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<v Speaker 12>to our national security, to our economic trade, but importantly

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<v Speaker 12>as well, it's one based upon democratic values and I

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<v Speaker 12>look forward to working with the incoming presidents. I have

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<v Speaker 12>done with President Biden in Australia's national interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Kroger, there is no question this will be a

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<v Speaker 2>nightmare scenario for Anthony Albertezi and his government.

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<v Speaker 11>Very bad result for Albinezi because it shows that the

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<v Speaker 11>working middle class that we talk about a lot on

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<v Speaker 11>Sky not intimidated or influenced by the elites. Look at

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<v Speaker 11>the Voice campaign if you want any more proof of that.

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<v Speaker 11>They want to They've drained the swamp again in America

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<v Speaker 11>and all those pop stars like Taylor Swift and Beyonce

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<v Speaker 11>and Oprah Winfrey and Bruce Springsteen and all these people

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<v Speaker 11>wallowing around in the swamp. When you're working three jobs

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<v Speaker 11>and can't make ends meet, you really don't want to

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<v Speaker 11>be elected to by a pop singer or a TV star.

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<v Speaker 4>You really don't, right, you really don't.

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<v Speaker 11>That's why Trump's people were working class people, right. Marck

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<v Speaker 11>Evans in a different category. But Dana White, Hulk Hogan, Bryson, Deshambeau,

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<v Speaker 11>Joe Rogan, the people he had behind him far more

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<v Speaker 11>have far more in common with the working class. But

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<v Speaker 11>Albow's biggest problem at the minute is Kevin Rudd. So

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<v Speaker 11>he can't sack Rud, nor will he, but Kevin Rudd

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<v Speaker 11>or to do the decent thing for his country and

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<v Speaker 11>resign as ambassador. He knows that Australia's interests are not

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<v Speaker 11>best served by him being the ambassador, given the shocking

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<v Speaker 11>and appalling things he said about the incoming United States

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<v Speaker 11>President Trump should say Rud should say, listen, I'm going

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<v Speaker 11>to damage Australia's national standing within America by me staying

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<v Speaker 11>as ambassador. I'm tendering my resignation. Any decent ambassador, a Peacock,

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<v Speaker 11>a Beasley or Hockey, anyone who said that about the

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<v Speaker 11>US president would resign.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know what, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I agree Rudd's remarks were so deeply offensive, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do think he has been working very hard to

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<v Speaker 2>try and build bridges with the Republicans.

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<v Speaker 4>You know who I think is going to really.

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<v Speaker 11>Struggle bit late, Shari.

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<v Speaker 4>Penny Wog.

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong will really struggle because already there was this

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<v Speaker 2>schism opening up between Australia and the United States on

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<v Speaker 2>various policy issues, Israel being one of them. All that

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<v Speaker 2>with our United Nations vote, and that was under a

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<v Speaker 2>Biden administration. Under a Trump administration, you've got climate change,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got the Middle East, You've got so many other issues,

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<v Speaker 2>China for one, where the US is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more forward leaning.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, how's Penny one going to handle that?

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<v Speaker 2>She will be truly devastated tonight, which quite delights me.

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<v Speaker 4>Richo, What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah? I think it wouldn't be Penny's best night, that's

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<v Speaker 7>for sure. But I think Trump worries me in one sense.

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<v Speaker 7>He's always been an isolationist America first, second, third, fourth, etc.

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<v Speaker 7>He's always had that view, and I just hope that

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<v Speaker 7>view is moderated considerably in this term of his presidency,

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<v Speaker 7>because we need America to not be isolationists. We needed

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<v Speaker 7>to lead the world. We needed to try and stand

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<v Speaker 7>up against an ever more confident China. So, as far

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<v Speaker 7>as I'm concerned, there are some really good points about

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<v Speaker 7>Trump getting up. I can think of view and are

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<v Speaker 7>not so good. But let's look on the right side.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about that point, Michael Kroger, You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the isolationist leanings, which by the way, JD. Vance, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>has worrying signs of. I think there are other very

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<v Speaker 2>strong Republican figures who set the tone for foreign policy

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<v Speaker 2>in the last administration, Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Michael McColl

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of those figures who really made sure that

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<v Speaker 2>America still was the leader of the free world when

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was president in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I do agree with Graham, though I don't like

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<v Speaker 11>his isolations approached best evidence by his position in the Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, what is he thinking? I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 11>another civilizational battle. So but look, you know, what do

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<v Speaker 11>we know about Trump? He doesn't like wars. He likes

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<v Speaker 11>American military power to be used to say when it's used,

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<v Speaker 11>which you used against the ISIS leader, which he used

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<v Speaker 11>against ISIS back in twenty nineteen. I would expect him,

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<v Speaker 11>as he has said, to get on the phone, to

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<v Speaker 11>putin very soon and say this war's got to end.

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<v Speaker 11>And I think he's going to put massive pressure on Iran.

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<v Speaker 11>He knows that a solution in the Middle East can

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<v Speaker 11>only happen, can only happen, This whole notion of the

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<v Speaker 11>two state solution, peace in the Middle East, it can

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<v Speaker 11>only happen when Iran are not funding the terrorist organizations

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<v Speaker 11>in Gaza, on the West Bank and in Lebanon. Trump

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<v Speaker 11>knows that, and so I think Iran are going to

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<v Speaker 11>be under great pressure sooner rather than later. I think

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<v Speaker 11>he's going to be a success on foreign policy. The

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<v Speaker 11>Abraham Accords, which we've talked about it for were a

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<v Speaker 11>brilliant step forward, and I think he will probably more

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<v Speaker 11>than any other president in the last twenty thirty years,

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<v Speaker 11>he more than anyone as I hope, of bringing some

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<v Speaker 11>kind of lasting peace to the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, all right, let's hope you're right on that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Kroger, Graham Richardson, thank you for joining me tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring it now Sky News contributer Kosher

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<v Speaker 2>Ghada Kosher.

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<v Speaker 4>Great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, firstly, what's your reaction to this result? There have

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<v Speaker 2>been some critical states that have flipped in Trump's direction.

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<v Speaker 4>Were there any surprises for you?

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<v Speaker 13>I would say, Shari, no surprises in terms of the

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<v Speaker 13>cautiously optimistic scenario that people were holding.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knew what was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 13>But there's a bit of a rising tide phenomenon, and

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<v Speaker 13>once we saw which way the momentum was moving, everything

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<v Speaker 13>was falling into place.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. For me, I just say, what a ride.

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<v Speaker 13>This has been the greatest story arc in American political

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<v Speaker 13>history if you think about where it started, and it

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<v Speaker 13>was always going to be a trilogy, knowing Trump with

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<v Speaker 13>where it started in twenty sixteen, and this outside wrecking

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<v Speaker 13>ball billionaire businessman came in, defeated the Bush dynasty, the

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<v Speaker 13>Clinton dynasty, sixteen other handy Republican candidates, one delivered on

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<v Speaker 13>a lot of his promises, got hit with COVID and

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<v Speaker 13>a change the election system January sixth, all of that,

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<v Speaker 13>and then you look at where he was on rock bottom,

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<v Speaker 13>sort of arc two of that story. Everything he faced

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<v Speaker 13>from being kicked off the ballot, to getting shot, indictments,

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<v Speaker 13>being raided, being indicted, convicted, all of that, and now

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<v Speaker 13>to come and do this thing, which is really is

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<v Speaker 13>a repudiation. I think of the entire machine against him

0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:24.679
<v Speaker 13>that was going for that. Because he has swept all

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 13>seven we think it's not official yet, but he's on

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 13>track to sweep all.

0:26:27.920 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Seven swing states. We'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 13>Taking the majority in the Senate, the House looks quite strong,

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 13>and possibly even the popular vote, which hasn't happened in

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 13>twenty years. So that's a huge moment I think in

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.880
<v Speaker 13>US history to look back on. And in that sense,

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 13>I guess it is surprising if you look at the

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 13>whole story arc of the trilogy that has been Trump's

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 13>political career.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we talk about his political comeback as you

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 2>just have when you reference the impeachments, all the civil

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and criminal cases against him. At the political law fair,

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>he's near death experience where that gunshot just came centimeters

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 2>away from his brain.

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 4>He could easily be dead, but kosher.

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 2>We also forget that the seventh of January twenty twenty one,

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 2>half of his party had abandoned him. He was politically toxic.

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Not just his party, but a lot of Americans turned

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.360
<v Speaker 2>away in horror. So even from that perspective, for him

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.480
<v Speaker 2>to win back the confidence of the people to be

0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 2>elected in such a decisive results tonight is quite astonishing.

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 2>What do you think were the most successful tactics that

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>he used in his campaign?

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.760
<v Speaker 4>Used that made this happen.

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 13>One hundred percent? So I think it's three things. The message,

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 13>the messaging, and the mechanics. The message, which you talked

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 13>about at the top of your show. The policy positions

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 13>where he always was trusted as somebody who was a

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.119
<v Speaker 13>strong leader, had a different way of looking at trade

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.719
<v Speaker 13>and migration, different economic things, culture wars and all of that.

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 1>So he's always strong on that and.

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:00.879
<v Speaker 13>He just never relented on that, and he really had

0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 13>his finger on the pulse of where the gap was

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 13>frankly in the Republican establishment as well as the Democrat

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:07.159
<v Speaker 13>Party on that issue.

0:28:07.160 --> 0:28:07.360
<v Speaker 7>Set.

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 13>The second is the messaging, where he has always been

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.840
<v Speaker 13>the king of media, and the breadth and range that

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 13>he showed where not only traditional media, which is the

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 13>industry he grew up in, but also embracing podcasts and

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:23.400
<v Speaker 13>TikTok and social media and rallies and all of that,

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 13>he was just able to cut through against very adversarial

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 13>media and get his message out. Also, I think attracting

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 13>these endorsements from very high profile, serious people in their fields,

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.879
<v Speaker 13>from Musk to Rogan to RFK and others helped with

0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 13>that messaging. And then the last thing I think is

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 13>the mechanics, which is probably the most underreported story Shari,

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 13>but I think we're going to hear more about that

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 13>in the analysis to come, which is the ground gain

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.480
<v Speaker 13>that the Republicans were always behind the eight ball on

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 13>the Democrats were always so much more superior to that,

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 13>especially under Obama, and the way he did it kind

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 13>of under the radar. He outsourced a lot of it

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.480
<v Speaker 13>to these outside grassroots groups rather than having it all

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 13>done by the campaign or the RNC, and the way

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 13>they were able to get Republicans from race early voting

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.000
<v Speaker 13>and rack up these leads coming into election age, which

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:09.840
<v Speaker 13>positioned them so strongly.

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Something that had never happened before.

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 13>I think is probably the untold, secret ingredient of you

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:15.560
<v Speaker 13>know what put him over the edge tonight.

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so fascinated, all right, So much more to come

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>on this, Koshagada, Thank you for joining me. Tonight our

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>live special coverage tonight, and it is an historic result.

0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>It continues after this quick break, and Paul Murray will

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:30.480
<v Speaker 2>join me live from Washington.

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 4>So don't go anywhere.

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Welcome back well for more of our coverage. Now, Donald

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Trump has been well, not elected, he has been voted

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:45.520
<v Speaker 2>in the forty seventh president of the United States. I'm

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 2>joined now by Sky News host Paul Murray, awake in Washington, DC.

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 4>Yet another old night of pol. Now. One of the.

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Most extraordinary things about tonight that so many people are

0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 2>furious over. And I tell you what, I bet you

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Democrats will be ropable about this. Kamala Harrison didn't bother

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 2>to appear, not gracious enough to stand up and say

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 2>to Democrats and to her supporters who'd been waiting there

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 2>for hours, thank you for your support. You know, if

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>she thinks the results were clear unclear, she could have

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 2>said that, but she didn't.

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 4>She went home. She was a no show. What do

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 4>you think of this, Paul.

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.960
<v Speaker 6>It's a disgrace and it's an insight into her true personality.

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 6>You know, the truth is now. Look, I can sort

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 6>of loosen it up a bit now because we're sort

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 6>of out of the news time, and we're now into

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 6>the opinion time, and obviously in about half an hour,

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 6>I'm really going to want to let loose. But the

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 6>truth is that when you lose an election, you can

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 6>often see the true test of somebody. We saw that

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 6>Stephen Miles failed that in Queensland, and we saw that

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 6>Kamala Harris failed it here. If this election was traveling

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.400
<v Speaker 6>the way that it was, but in the opposite direction,

0:30:57.160 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 6>like at ten o'clock here, which was about two o'clock

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 6>Sydney time, it was so clear, it was obvious that

0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 6>he was winning, that he had won at that point

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 6>in time. So I think the networks would have started

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 6>to rush towards the doors to say that Trump hadn't

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 6>been defeated, and she's on our way, and we'll let

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 6>the numbers trickle in. But the fact that she didn't

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.560
<v Speaker 6>look the people in her eye who believed in her

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 6>so much that they were willing to dawknock and to

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 6>debate and to call and to fight with their families

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 6>and to stand in what can be colder times in

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:34.280
<v Speaker 6>Washington was just it was really it was low. I

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 6>can't come up with a more creative word that doesn't

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 6>start to move into the ones that I get in

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 6>trouble for saying sometimes on.

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Two and you know, I was flicking all day between

0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Fox News and CNN, and the CNN reporters at first said, up,

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>the Kamala Harris team has gone silent. We haven't heard

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.520
<v Speaker 2>from them. Then they said, we've got a memo, a

0:31:54.560 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 2>memo from her campaign manager. And they're still holding out

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 2>hope for the blue wave for Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>And before long that was clearly heading in Trump's direction.

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>He decisively won Pennsylvania. But the fact that they were

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>still briefing this out, I mean, they accused Trump of

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 2>not accepting results, but this is where they were heading.

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Quite late at night, Paul Mario, I want to ask

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you what you made of Donald Trump's speech. Do you

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>think he said enough to unify what is a divided nation?

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 6>Look for those I mean, let's be honest, the people

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:37.480
<v Speaker 6>that sort of can be one over or at least

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 6>after an election, when they let the air out and say, look,

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 6>all I want is the best for the joint It's

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 6>not going to be everyone who didn't vote for him.

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 6>There's obviously going to be let's say you know half

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 6>three quarters of people who understandably going to be heard

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 6>or rage for all the rest of it. Look, he

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 6>can always do a better job at this stuff. He

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 6>can always do a better job at sophistry, He can

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 6>always do a better job at a tighter message. But

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 6>when you think about what this bloke was playing with

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 6>during this entire campaign, and they talk about the stakes

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 6>on the future of democracy, this bloke had two options.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 6>He was going to become president or he was going

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 6>to go to jail for the rest of his life.

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 6>At no point did he look like a man who

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 6>was playing with that level of stakes. So I think

0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 6>that what people eventually saw in Trump, when at some

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 6>point in the past year or so they started to

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 6>make the decision about are we going to go back

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 6>to this bloke? They saw a guy whose reaction to

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 6>being shot was to save, fight, fight fight, whose reaction

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 6>to being charged with things that, let's be honest, at

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 6>the very best in some scenarios, they were a bounce

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 6>of the ball that always sort of went the other way.

0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 6>Was not to cave, was not to crumble when the

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.720
<v Speaker 6>media was going wild because there was a joke at

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 6>a rally. He found a way just to keep pushing

0:33:54.680 --> 0:33:56.400
<v Speaker 6>on and if he's willing to do that for himself,

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 6>I think the most important thing that he said in

0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 6>his speech tonight was that I'm going to re breath

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 6>that I have. I will fight for you, and we

0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:05.239
<v Speaker 6>know how hard he can find for himself. And if

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.680
<v Speaker 6>he's promising to do that for the entire country. Look,

0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 6>the word unity mightn't be there, but the message was

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 6>pretty clear, which is I'm taking care of you now.

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he did have that line about he wants

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to heal the nation now as well. Paul, I think

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:23.320
<v Speaker 2>another very big outcome of this election is that, really,

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>pretty much since Barack Obama, and it's reflected in Australia

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 2>as well, we've seen this progressive wave of identity politics.

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.719
<v Speaker 4>You know, really going very woke.

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>The Democratic Party used to be more mainstream.

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 4>Do you think this result.

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 2>Maybe this has been too hopeful, will kill off some

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of those more radical ends of the woke agenda that

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 2>the Democrats were pushing on America?

0:34:53.280 --> 0:34:57.239
<v Speaker 6>Well, see, don't forget Unlike Australia, where we've got say

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 6>the Greens or One Nation or or Victorian Socialists or

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.000
<v Speaker 6>whatever it happens to be, there's lots of different places

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 6>that you can put your vote depending on where you

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 6>are on the spectrum. When essentially this is team Red,

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.919
<v Speaker 6>team Blue, it means that the entire team is at

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 6>times defined by the furthest parts of their coalitions. Now,

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:21.279
<v Speaker 6>if they want to win again, you've got to come

0:35:21.320 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 6>back to some form of the center, or at least

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 6>come back from the perception about how hard left you're

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 6>going to go. But that said, and again, let's not

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 6>talk about the next Grand Final while this one is

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 6>still echoing through the streets. But there are policies the

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 6>Democrats have that are wildly popular, like many care for all.

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 6>There are policies that are wildly needed in the country,

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 6>like mental health care, like dental care. Now these things,

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:49.719
<v Speaker 6>because of the size of spending, will be referred to

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 6>as lefty. But the stuff that normal people reject is

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 6>when we have to go through sort of the performance

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:00.880
<v Speaker 6>that much of the modern left is involved with. So

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 6>I think, whoever, the next the next most successful senior

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:07.280
<v Speaker 6>Democrat is going to be somebody who doesn't just pretend

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.320
<v Speaker 6>to be a little more normal. They're going to actually

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 6>have to be a little bit more normal. And I

0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 6>think that economic populism which is being championed by Trump.

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 6>I think it'll be echoed by the Democrats into the future.

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 6>But if they want to keep banging on about you know,

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:26.520
<v Speaker 6>pronouns and pretending that you know, Columbus Day isn't a

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 6>public holiday and all of this stuff, well then good luck,

0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:30.680
<v Speaker 6>you're same thing again in four years.

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was even more extreme than that the

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 2>ads that the Republicans were running, which were just Kamala

0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.760
<v Speaker 2>Harrison our own words. We're talking about tax fair funded

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 2>gender transitioning for prison inmates. I mean, you know, it's

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>just bizarre stuff.

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>All right.

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Paul Murray will see you back here at nine o'clock

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 2>for more, and Paul will certainly fire out, fire up,

0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I should say, stick with us on this extraordinary night.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be back after the break. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you're just joining us now, Donald Trump is

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.359
<v Speaker 2>the new president of the United States, and this is

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:11.040
<v Speaker 2>where the figures are looking. Donald Trump, according to Fox

0:37:11.120 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 2>News's latest results, is sitting on two hundred and seventy

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 2>seven of the Electoral College votes Kamala Harris at two

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 2>twenty six. Trump, of course, needed two hundred and seventy

0:37:20.719 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 2>to win there are still four states that have them

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:27.479
<v Speaker 2>in cold and in terms of the popular vote, Trump

0:37:27.560 --> 0:37:30.800
<v Speaker 2>has won that as well with fifty one point two percent.

0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:35.479
<v Speaker 4>All right, for more analysis. Now, let's bring in.

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.240
<v Speaker 2>The Hudson Institute Senior Fellow John Lee and the United

0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>States Center Senior Fellow Stephen Loosely.

0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Welcome to you both. Stephen, first, I want.

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.239
<v Speaker 2>To get your reaction to this result tonight. Why do

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you think this has been a greater than expected loss

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:53.640
<v Speaker 2>for the Democratic Party.

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 14>I should begin by saying, cherry On no longer with

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<v Speaker 14>the US study set apology.

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<v Speaker 4>Stephen, that is fine.

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<v Speaker 14>I think the Democrats lost the kitchen table issues. If

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 14>you had to point to basic issues of concern to

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 14>average Americans, you'd begin, I think with the cost of living.

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 14>I think grocery store prices had more impact than anything

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 14>that the Federal Reserve was doing. I think the next

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:32.440
<v Speaker 14>issue would have been border security, where It's true the

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 14>Biden administration had proposed a bipartisan measure in the US

0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 14>Senate which Donald Trump takt p date, but that only

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.000
<v Speaker 14>came over the last few months. And really this issue

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 14>has been allowed to fester in American society and in

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.279
<v Speaker 14>American politics for some time. In the third issue, the

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 14>FBI says the crime rate in the United States is dropping,

0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 14>but that wasn't how it was perceived by lots of

0:38:58.160 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 14>ordinary people in American cities. So, if you ask me,

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<v Speaker 14>I think the Democrats lost the kitchen table issues on

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<v Speaker 14>which Donald Trump and the Republican campaign was able to capitalize.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and you're right.

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Crime has just taken over so many major cities like

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:20.200
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco. John In terms of the impact of a

0:39:20.320 --> 0:39:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Trump presidency on Australia and on foreign policy, how do

0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>you see this, Well.

0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 15>Let's put aside the personality clashes. The Trump cabinet will

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 15>find it quite difficult from personality point of view to

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:34.919
<v Speaker 15>deal with some of the urb and easy people. Let's

0:39:34.920 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 15>put that aside. When Trump gets in, he'll conduct an

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 15>audit of allies. He'll look at how much are they

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:43.879
<v Speaker 15>spending on defense, what are they spending it on, when

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.440
<v Speaker 15>are they spending it, and what are they prepared to

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 15>commit to. Now, I've spent a lot of time in DC.

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 15>I spent quite a bit of time speaking to potential

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 15>Trump cabinet nominees in the national security space, and I

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 15>can tell you they are very well aware that in

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:02.920
<v Speaker 15>their view Australia has not is not doing and spending

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 15>what it's brought to. Now Trump will come in. He

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:09.799
<v Speaker 15>takes the lines of seriously, he's not an isolation list.

0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.839
<v Speaker 15>He wants allies to pull their weight and Australia is

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 15>not one of these allies that he thinks at the

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 15>top of the list when it comes to pulling our weight.

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:21.600
<v Speaker 15>So that could be a problem for the oben Easy government.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's going to be another exciting thing.

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Of course in the days and weeks ahead, will be

0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>who Trump picks for some of the key positions.

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 4>He's already floated that.

0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk is going to have some sort of role

0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 2>in his administration, at least as part of his agenda. Stephen,

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:41.839
<v Speaker 2>how do you think that alban Ezy government and now

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 2>but Easy personally also Penny Wang will have to try

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 2>and respond to this new administration.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, it's not a matter of a standing start the

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:57.000
<v Speaker 14>Australian Embassy in Washington for a very long period of time.

0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 14>I'm thinking Andrew Peacock, Kim Beasley right true to Arthur

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 14>Sinadinas and Kevin Rudd, They've got very strong links both

0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 14>in the administration in State, the Pentagon and the like,

0:41:09.280 --> 0:41:13.080
<v Speaker 14>and perhaps even more significantly, in the United States Congress.

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.720
<v Speaker 14>Now I'm just back recently from the Australian American Leadership

0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 14>Dialogue in Honolulu. Nonpartisan, strong links with the United States military,

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:29.400
<v Speaker 14>good representation from a variety of policy players in Australia.

0:41:30.080 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 14>There is a considerable consensus, particularly within the US Congress,

0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:40.359
<v Speaker 14>that Australia is a very reliable ally, is a contributor,

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 14>and that even with Vice President Elect Vance just recently

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 14>saying UCAS is a good idea, there is a fair

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:53.000
<v Speaker 14>amount of sentiment that the alliance relationship with Australia is

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 14>more than worthwhile. Donald Trump will also look John John's

0:41:57.640 --> 0:41:59.960
<v Speaker 14>right to look at defense spending, will also look at

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 14>at trade relations, and Australia of course runs a trade

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 14>deficit with the United States, and that has had an

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 14>impact upon Donald Trump before, which has been positive for Australia.

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:12.960
<v Speaker 14>So there's a number of things to weigh up there.

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 14>I am not as pessimistic as some. I think a

0:42:16.680 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 14>lot of spade work's already been done, a lot more

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 14>needs to be done, and we really have to build

0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 14>some bridges. But if people like Mike Pompeio, for example,

0:42:26.520 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 14>the former Secretary of State would have come into a

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 14>second Trump administration and defense I think that would be

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 14>a relatively smooth transition.

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that would be an excellent appointment.

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 2>He's a strong friend of Australia. I've interviewed him before twice,

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 2>but he is very strong on national security issues as well. John,

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I just want to turn to the historic nature of

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>this result, and Trump becomes only the second president in

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 2>United States history to serve non consecutive terms.

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:57.280
<v Speaker 4>The first was Grover Cleveland.

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.760
<v Speaker 2>He did two stints in the White House from eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>eight until eighteen eighty nine and then eighty ninety three

0:43:03.920 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>until eighteen ninety seven. So this is quite extraordinary, and

0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>in a sense, he probably was only voted out in

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty because of his poor handling of the pandemic.

0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 15>Well, what this tells me, I'm not a historian in

0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 15>American politics, but what this tells me is that Trump

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 15>might have lost in twenty twenty, but the issues that

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 15>Trump raised, trade issues, defence issues, societal issues, law and

0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.439
<v Speaker 15>crime issues, those issues haven't gone away, and they didn't

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.759
<v Speaker 15>go away Underbiden. In fact, they got worse Underbiden. So

0:43:38.160 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 15>I'm not at all surprised that Trump has won this election.

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 15>He ran on issues that people cared about. He didn't

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:49.040
<v Speaker 15>run on identity, he didn't run on some sort of

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 15>social elite type issue. He ran on the sorts of

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:58.360
<v Speaker 15>things that white men, Hispanics, women, African Americans actually cared about.

0:43:58.560 --> 0:44:00.520
<v Speaker 15>So this result doesn't surprise me at all.

0:44:01.239 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Stephen, there are lessons from Australia to be

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 2>learned from this as well, because economy was such a

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 2>vote changer in this election, and we saw that in

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the exit polls. You know, this should be cause for

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 2>concern for the Labor government here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 14>Oh, it's a concern for governments in all Western democracies.

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 14>And I'd also underline, Shari that immigration constantly recurs in

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:31.000
<v Speaker 14>Western elections. We saw it most recently in the UK,

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 14>for example. It's certainly been an issue in this American election.

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:40.600
<v Speaker 14>So there are lessons to be learned for people in

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 14>active politics in Western democracies everywhere. I make this point

0:44:47.000 --> 0:44:51.799
<v Speaker 14>Donald Trump, I'm certainly no fan of the gentleman, but

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 14>his resilience has been extraordinary. It is astonishingly difficult to

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 14>come back to the White House and non consecut gative terms.

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 14>Grover Cleveland did it in the eighteen nineties mainly because

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.479
<v Speaker 14>of a very poor performance by Republican administrations. You can see

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 14>that in this win by Donald Trump. So what he's

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:19.120
<v Speaker 14>powered through would have filled many another man or woman

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:23.560
<v Speaker 14>in the political game. And I think that's worth acknowledging.

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.600
<v Speaker 4>No, indeed it is. Stephen Looseley, John Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to have you both on the show, And don't

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 2>go anywhere, because after the break we're going to look

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 2>at just how the stock.

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 4>Markets have reacted to this news.

0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Patrick would join me more of our coverage on

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:46.920
<v Speaker 2>this historic night. Welcome back, and if you're just tuning in,

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump will be the forty seventh the president of

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the United States of America. This is an historic night.

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 2>The results in the end were decisive. It wasn't the close,

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:03.840
<v Speaker 2>potentially drawn out results that we had been told to expect.

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.640
<v Speaker 2>We were told the polls were very close, that this

0:46:06.760 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 2>was deadlocked. That's not the case. You can see the

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 2>latest figures on the screen now, Donald Trump has one

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.560
<v Speaker 2>According to Fox News, he's projected to win two hundred

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:18.200
<v Speaker 2>and seventy seven of the Electro College votes. We have

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 2>it a bit higher at two eighty, but we'll see

0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 2>how that changes over the next few days. Joining me

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 2>now contributor to the Nightly Aaron Patrick. Now, Aaron, I

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>want to start by speaking to you about the reaction

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in the stock markets and the cryptocurrencies to the news.

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 2>This was very well received when it became clear that

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump was going to be the president, not Kamala.

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<v Speaker 16>Harris Well Sharry, there's been being quite strong rally in

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:48.520
<v Speaker 16>the futures training in chairs because it's nighttime, of course,

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.400
<v Speaker 16>to you at share markets aren't open, but they indicate

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 16>that when the share market's do open tomorrow, we expect

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 16>a pretty strong rally of approximately one to one and

0:46:57.120 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 16>a half percent across the board, particular in stocks which

0:47:01.719 --> 0:47:06.800
<v Speaker 16>are correlated to strong economic performance. There was a selloff

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 16>in bonds, indicating that some investors do expect inflationary pressures.

0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:17.719
<v Speaker 16>I guess as the Trump administration it goes through and

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 16>delivers big tax cuts.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 4>And cryptocurrencies as well did very well they did.

0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.839
<v Speaker 16>Bitcoin is now very close to its all record high

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 16>of seventy five thousand US dollars. A few years ago,

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:36.080
<v Speaker 16>it was down sixteen thousand dollars, and that's because Donald

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 16>Trump has said that he wants to make America the

0:47:38.400 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 16>crypto capital of the world.

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:44.800
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting how during the campaign, Wall Street really swung

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 2>in behind Donald Trump, believing that he would be better

0:47:48.719 --> 0:47:51.960
<v Speaker 2>for the economy. This was reflected in things like the

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.719
<v Speaker 2>All In podcast, very popular in the United States.

0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:58.200
<v Speaker 4>I mean, the only concern really was.

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>About his policy of putting high tariffs, which could lead

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>to higher taxes on the higher cost of actual products

0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and goods.

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 4>But really Wall Street did swing in behind him.

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:13.040
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, that's aoksually one of the really interesting and slightly

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:19.040
<v Speaker 16>counterintuitive factors of Trump's whole victory, which is Wall Street

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 16>generally hates tariffs and is very much for free trade.

0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:27.400
<v Speaker 16>Donald Trump clearly has promised basically a pretty big global

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:29.840
<v Speaker 16>trade war. But I think Wall Street was just absolutely

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:32.839
<v Speaker 16>convinced that he would be good for business and he's

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:37.240
<v Speaker 16>going to push pipelines through, he's going to lower personal taxes,

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.759
<v Speaker 16>He's basically going to be He's going to do the

0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:44.400
<v Speaker 16>things that Republicans really like, which is good for business.

0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Look, I want to ask you about this election also

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 2>brought in the culture, was it was mostly about the

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 2>economy and immigration, the immigration crisis, the border, et cetera.

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 2>But it did bring in the Culture Wars, and it

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:03.280
<v Speaker 2>was a thorough reject of the most woke, left leaning

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 2>instincts of the Democrat Party.

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 4>What do you think about that?

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<v Speaker 16>Look to me, to my mind, the culture Wars where

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.360
<v Speaker 16>I put more emphasis on the importance of the culture

0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:17.359
<v Speaker 16>Wars than the economy. Even though a lot of Americans

0:49:17.440 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 16>are pretty pessimistic about where the country's going. It's actually

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 16>the American economy at the moment is the envy of

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 16>the world. It's just a lot of Americans don't feel

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 16>that way. I think they feel that the country's heading

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:31.840
<v Speaker 16>in the wrong direction, in part because of the rise

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:33.840
<v Speaker 16>of this phenomenon that we've seen, which a part of

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 16>the culture wars, diversity, equity inclusion, transgender rights, views, defund

0:49:40.000 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 16>the police. And I know you've been talking about these

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.600
<v Speaker 16>issues for many years. And I remember a couple of

0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 16>years ago you spoke about there was this push to

0:49:48.640 --> 0:49:52.200
<v Speaker 16>get rid of the words breastfeeding, and I think what

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 16>you're seeing now.

0:49:53.160 --> 0:49:54.520
<v Speaker 4>Replace it with chest feeding.

0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 16>Yeah, And I think now you're seeing sort of the

0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:01.840
<v Speaker 16>political consequences, a backlash towards the towards what's been happening

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:05.440
<v Speaker 16>in the US and around the world. So to me,

0:50:05.520 --> 0:50:08.760
<v Speaker 16>this is sort of this is a sign that politics

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:13.480
<v Speaker 16>is fundamentally shifting and culture is perhaps becoming a bigger

0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 16>determinant of how you vote then your views on how

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:19.080
<v Speaker 16>the economy should be structured.

0:50:19.320 --> 0:50:21.520
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the themes that were major in the

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 2>US election, with the exception of the Mexican border, but

0:50:26.080 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 2>the other themes really resonate in Australia as well and

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.840
<v Speaker 2>will be issues for the Albanezi government at the next election.

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:36.800
<v Speaker 16>To my mind, this is a huge philip for Peter Dutton.

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 16>I think Peter Dutton has struck a lot of similar

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 16>themes to what Trump has done, mostly not to sort

0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:48.279
<v Speaker 16>of the extent that you've seen over there, but you know,

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:53.040
<v Speaker 16>Peter Dutton's raising concern about, say, competition from immigrants, housing,

0:50:54.040 --> 0:50:59.200
<v Speaker 16>national security issues. I think this is good news for Dunton.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, it is indeed, Aaron Patrick, we'll keep reading your

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 2>work in the nightly. Thank you for joining us, and

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>thank you everyone at home for joining us on this

0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 2>amazing night. It has been an exciting day of results

0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and to continue this coverage live from Washington, DC, here's

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Murray