Speaker 1: Why on Skynese. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Welcome to our special live coverage on this historic night.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be the forty seventh president of the
Speaker 2: United States. And this is a political comeback for the
Speaker 2: ages from impeachment, the threat of jail, and even centimeters
Speaker 2: away from death in assassination attempts. And what an extraordinary
Speaker 2: night it's been. It wasn't close in the end. This
Speaker 2: is in fact closer to a landslide win for Trump.
Speaker 2: The President elect claimed victory before a euphoric crowd.
Speaker 3: I will fight for you, for your family, and your future.
Speaker 3: Every single day, I will be fighting for you, and
Speaker 3: with every breath in my body, I will not rest
Speaker 3: until we have delivered the strong, safe, and prosperous America
Speaker 3: that our children deserve and that you deserve. This will
Speaker 3: truly be the Golden Age of America.
Speaker 1: That's what we have to.
Speaker 3: This is a magnificent victory for the American people that
Speaker 3: will allow us to make America great again.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 2: Speaking just over an hour ago, Donald Trump also welcomed
Speaker 2: his new VP, who he said turned out to be
Speaker 2: a good choice.
Speaker 3: I want to be the first to congratulate our great
Speaker 3: now I can say Vice President elect of.
Speaker 4: The United States. Job will.
Speaker 3: Say a couple of words here.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: Well, mister President, I appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Allowing me to join you on this incredible journey.
Speaker 4: I thank you for the trust that you have placed
Speaker 4: in me. And I think that we just witnessed the
Speaker 4: greatest political comeback in the history of the United States
Speaker 4: of America.
Speaker 2: This is an extraordinary night. It is one you will
Speaker 2: never forget. You have to watch the full coverage here
Speaker 2: on Sky News. And in that speech, Donald Trump also
Speaker 2: spoke about his near death experience.
Speaker 3: Many people have told me that God spared my life
Speaker 3: for a reason, and that reason was to save our
Speaker 3: country and to restore America. To greet this and now
Speaker 3: we are going to fulfill that mission. Together, We're going
Speaker 3: to fulfill that mission.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump also credited Elon Musk. He described him as
Speaker 2: a new star, and in a unifying message, Trump said
Speaker 2: it was now time to heal the nation.
Speaker 4: It has to be said.
Speaker 2: Trump has tonight also won the national vote, and you
Speaker 2: can see he's won close to fifty one or more
Speaker 2: than fifty one percent of the vote. His victory tonight
Speaker 2: is decisive. This is how the electoral map is now looking. Basically,
Speaker 2: a red wave. Fox News is currently projecting that Trump
Speaker 2: will win at least two hundred and seventy seven of
Speaker 2: the electoral College votes, and that's just so far. In
Speaker 2: his speech, Trump predicted that he might even end up
Speaker 2: winning three hundred and fifty of the electoral College votes.
Speaker 2: We'll see Kamala Harris is currently sitting at two hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty six states. The Republicans will also take control
Speaker 2: of the Senate and likely even the House of Representatives.
Speaker 4: Now, about five.
Speaker 2: Or six hours ago, this initially looked like it was
Speaker 2: going to be a close race, and that's what the
Speaker 2: polls were telling us. But then the seven battleground states
Speaker 2: all seemed to be going in Trump's favor as we
Speaker 2: got an air right now, here's where they all stand,
Speaker 2: the so called blue wave turning mostly to a red wave.
Speaker 2: And the only states that haven't been called by Fox
Speaker 2: News so far, I'm Michigan, Arizona, Nevada, and Alaska, those
Speaker 2: four states remaining. The result was clear by one thirty
Speaker 2: am local time in New Yorker in Washington, and you
Speaker 2: remember at the last election in twenty twenty, it took
Speaker 2: three days before there was a decisive result. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: delivered his victory speech at two thirty am local time.
Speaker 2: It is a certain defeat for Kamala Harris, but tonight
Speaker 2: she refused to concede. She didn't even turn up to
Speaker 2: that or address her supporters who'd been waiting hours to
Speaker 2: hear from her.
Speaker 7: We will continue overnight to fight to make sure that
Speaker 7: every voter's counted, that every voice has spoken. So you
Speaker 7: won't hear from the.
Speaker 2: Vice president tonight, but you will hear from her tomorrow. Now,
Speaker 2: this was a replica of twenty sixteen, when Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: also went home and only front of the nation the
Speaker 2: next day. For a while, the results were nail biting
Speaker 2: for many people watching, barracking for one team or the other.
Speaker 2: But here's the moment that the news broke on air
Speaker 2: that Donald Trump would be the next president of the
Speaker 2: United States after he'd won Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: In what is going to be the biggest political phoenix
Speaker 5: from the ashes story that we have ever seen.
Speaker 8: This is a huge historic moment in the United States
Speaker 8: of America as the former president Trump is closing in
Speaker 8: with just a few electoral votes away now from clinching
Speaker 8: to seventy as Pennsylvania is called for Donald.
Speaker 5: Trump there is no path, brit Hume for Vice President Harris.
Speaker 4: That was the moment.
Speaker 2: The markets and cryptocurrencies reacted very well to the news
Speaker 2: that Trump would return to the White House, but not
Speaker 2: so much the TV hosts on MSNBC. They could barely
Speaker 2: hide their upset, and one called the whole of Florida
Speaker 2: an extremist, right wing fascist state.
Speaker 9: It's a pure Project twenty twenty five in miniature in Florida.
Speaker 9: And that kind of extreme, sort of extremist.
Speaker 1: Right wing fascist type government in Florida.
Speaker 9: Does that make it a more attractive place?
Speaker 10: There are African American women who know a little bit
Speaker 10: about being talked down to, you know, a little bit
Speaker 10: about having their economic dreams crushed, who tried.
Speaker 8: To dream a big dream over the past couple of months.
Speaker 2: The postmodern for what went wrong with the Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: campaign has already begun now.
Speaker 4: Democrats tried to make this election about.
Speaker 2: Identity and personality, but this result tonight is all about policy.
Speaker 2: It's about the economy, the cost of living crisis, the
Speaker 2: border and immigration crisis, crime, foreign policy, national security, and
Speaker 2: leadership of the free world. These are the issues that
Speaker 2: Trump fought his campaign on the Democrats couldn't fight the
Speaker 2: election on policy because Kamala couldn't distance herself from the
Speaker 2: current administration, which of course she was part of. Instead,
Speaker 2: she attacked Trump's personality. She called him a fascist, a hitler,
Speaker 2: and Nazi, and the Democrats even claimed that democracy in
Speaker 2: America would come to an end.
Speaker 4: If Trump won.
Speaker 2: And here was Winfrey with that very message on election Eve.
Speaker 9: If we don't show up tomorrow, it is entirely possible
Speaker 9: that we will not have the opportunity to ever cast
Speaker 9: a ballot again.
Speaker 2: And this was also an election about the elite and
Speaker 2: the well off versus regular Americans struggling to make ends
Speaker 2: meet for their family. Celebrities came out for Kamala Harris,
Speaker 2: while Trump's so called Bros Strategy seems to have paid off.
Speaker 2: And this has been an incredible night for Trump supporters
Speaker 2: and for Republicans. And we've got full coverage on the
Speaker 2: show tonight, starting right now with host of The US
Speaker 2: Report and Outsiders, James Morrow in North Carolina.
Speaker 4: James, great to see you.
Speaker 2: What were the final issues here that was so decisive
Speaker 2: in some of these battleground states that really came in
Speaker 2: hard for Donald Trump.
Speaker 10: Well, I can just tell you, Sherry about my experience
Speaker 10: here in North Carolina the last few days. Everything people
Speaker 10: talked about, you know, it was very uniform. All the
Speaker 10: Trump supporters said the same thing. Economy, immigration, these were
Speaker 10: the big things. They felt like the country was out
Speaker 10: of control. And I'll tell you what. We were in
Speaker 10: California earlier in the week and there where we met
Speaker 10: Trump supports, they had very similar concerns, you know, And
Speaker 10: it's really interesting to me because once upon a time
Speaker 10: the Democrats got this. You know, Bill Clinton knew this,
Speaker 10: James Carville knew this. It was the economy stupid, they
Speaker 10: knew this. And then somehow, over the decades they kind
Speaker 10: of abandoned that, and they got further and further caught
Speaker 10: up in their own sort of obsessions about things, and
Speaker 10: they became so unable to pivot back to where they
Speaker 10: used to be. They vacated the field for Donald Trump,
Speaker 10: who on so many issues actually would have been almost
Speaker 10: like a centrist Democrat thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: James, the polls were predicting this was going to be
Speaker 2: a very close result tonight, and it looked like it
Speaker 2: was going that way for a while. But it looks
Speaker 2: like it could be quite decisive for Donald Trump. At
Speaker 2: the moment, Fox News has two hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 2: Electric College votes here and in need of the two
Speaker 2: seventy but it could get higher than that. There's still
Speaker 2: four states where the votes are being counted as we speak,
Speaker 2: so in the end, this might actually not be the
Speaker 2: knife edge deadlocked result that everyone was predicting.
Speaker 10: Well, I mean, in fact, the fact, Sherry, that we
Speaker 10: are talking about this result tonight and not saying, oh, gosh,
Speaker 10: well we're gonna start the counting again tomorrow in Pennsylvania
Speaker 10: and Michigan. You know the fact that we're I even
Speaker 10: talking about that, and that where you saw all the
Speaker 10: numbers come in, Harris consistently underperformed everywhere across the map,
Speaker 10: so that even when you know they still had huge
Speaker 10: amounts of absite ballots to count in big cities like
Speaker 10: did and Pennsylvania or Philadelphia and places like that, you know,
Speaker 10: they're just mathematically weren't going to be enough in there
Speaker 10: to get Harris over the line. So that's what we're
Speaker 10: able to talk about this tonight. The other interesting thing, Sherry,
Speaker 10: too is the popular vote, and if Donald Trump can
Speaker 10: eke out a real proper you know, fifty point five
Speaker 10: percent even when in the popular vote. This will shut
Speaker 10: down so many critics, you say, oh, well these illegitimate.
Speaker 10: The electoral college, is this threat to democracy? You know,
Speaker 10: we heard this so many times here from the left
Speaker 10: that you know, it is the electoral college that was
Speaker 10: a real problem. And you know, it just shows that
Speaker 10: Kamala Harris failed to perform. But it's no surprise she
Speaker 10: was a failure to perform because she's never been a
Speaker 10: great performer in anything she's done politically in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Democrats were relying on the youth vote, also
Speaker 2: the women, but those votes either didn't come out strong
Speaker 2: enough for her or you know, I mean, particularly when
Speaker 2: you look at the youth vote, yep, sew like the
Speaker 2: Democrats won college educated women, but not necessarily young men.
Speaker 10: Young men absolutely ran a mile from the Harris campaign.
Speaker 10: And you know, I think the Democrats have to only
Speaker 10: themselves to blame for this. You know, and this happens
Speaker 10: every cycle, but it's been happening more and more recently.
Speaker 10: You know, the Left has become a very feminized party.
Speaker 10: You can say, you know, well, with a lot of
Speaker 10: their policies are concerned about abortion rights, reproductive rights and
Speaker 10: all that sort of things. But also, you know, the
Speaker 10: talk about things like toxic masculinity, you know, and the
Speaker 10: sort of attacks on just sort of the male gender
Speaker 10: is kind of this sort of problematic sort of idea,
Speaker 10: and so guys picked this up. They're not stupid, and
Speaker 10: they feel like they're not welcome, and so you know,
Speaker 10: they look, what does Donald Trump have to offer. Well,
Speaker 10: you know, he's got Joe Rogan, Dana White, and you know,
Speaker 10: he's making them feel welcome. So it's like a no
Speaker 10: brainer for young men. But also, you know, women also,
Speaker 10: I think felt fairly patronized by this, this whole campaign
Speaker 10: of Harris, because it sort of talked to them, talked
Speaker 10: down to them, like, oh, you know, you need our
Speaker 10: protection and so on, and I think it was quite
Speaker 10: patronizing to some of that. We said, you know, actually,
Speaker 10: there are more important issues I'm not just concerned about,
Speaker 10: you know, your particular radical interpretation of you know, there's
Speaker 10: be abortion for all forty weeks of pregnancy, you know,
Speaker 10: which a lot of women find quite horrific. But also
Speaker 10: you know that like women, like everybody else, have to
Speaker 10: live in the real world with grocery prices and gas
Speaker 10: prices and food prices and everything else, and they said,
Speaker 10: you know what, this is not working for us. We
Speaker 10: need to go back to where things were before.
Speaker 2: I think, as I just said a moment ago, the
Speaker 2: Democrats tried to make this all about personality, all about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump as a man. That's what they fought against,
Speaker 2: whereas Trump was fighting on policy issues, and the most
Speaker 2: critical of which that we saw from the exit polling.
Speaker 4: Was the economy.
Speaker 2: And you know, just like in Australia, the United States
Speaker 2: is going through a cost of living crisis. There is
Speaker 2: a sense that the economy that people were better off
Speaker 2: under Donald Trump when he was last president. They're not
Speaker 2: happy with how things are going at the moment. You know,
Speaker 2: surely not all of that is necessarily the fault of Biden.
Speaker 2: But Donald Trump did lay out strong economic policy plan,
Speaker 2: and this was one of the main issues, the biggest
Speaker 2: issue that voters supported Trump over.
Speaker 10: You know, that's the thing. He articulated plans, He talked
Speaker 10: about things he wanted to do. He talked about things
Speaker 10: that were unpopular, like tariffs with economists and you know,
Speaker 10: the sort of people who make opinion and things like this.
Speaker 10: But people understood what he was talking about and something
Speaker 10: the voter told me in California really struck me. He said,
Speaker 10: you know, one candidate doesn't tell you anything. The other
Speaker 10: one tells you what they're going to do or what
Speaker 10: they want to do. You might not like it, but
Speaker 10: at least you know where they stand. And I think again,
Speaker 10: Kambala Harris just left the field vacant. She came out
Speaker 10: with beyond Cardi B and a bunch of you know,
Speaker 10: second ate celebrities and you know, big deal, but that
Speaker 10: doesn't affect anybody's praise of groceries. And it was from
Speaker 10: the start with Harris, it was a vibe election. It was.
Speaker 10: It started out with joy and that oh jd Vance
Speaker 10: is weird and all of these different sort of emotional
Speaker 10: triggers and pulls, but nothing that actually was practical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, And how embarrassing was that moment, by the way,
Speaker 2: when Cartie B got up there, she didn't have her
Speaker 2: speech and everyone had to wait for a full minute
Speaker 2: or more until she got her.
Speaker 4: Speech because she just couldn't read.
Speaker 2: She couldn't speak without having a teleprompter. So, you know,
Speaker 2: not even the celebrities work for Kamala Harris. James Murray
Speaker 2: doing a terrific job, and you've put an all nighter,
Speaker 2: So thank you very much for joining us.
Speaker 4: All right for more coverage.
Speaker 2: Now, let's bring in former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
Speaker 2: Kroger and former labor minister Graham Richardson. Now, mikeel, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say it before you do. You were the
Speaker 2: very first person to call this election, even when the
Speaker 2: results were through. What time was it when you texted
Speaker 2: me saying that Trump had won something like one o'clock today?
Speaker 11: Well, that was well, there was obviously at one forty
Speaker 11: four in one and to those good folk at Fox
Speaker 11: News in America, he won all the seven seats. There's
Speaker 11: not four in down. Trump won all seven. He's well
Speaker 11: into the three.
Speaker 2: I haven't officially yet, but I'm just oh, okay.
Speaker 11: All right, Well I'm officially I officially declared them at
Speaker 11: one forty four Trump had won. It was very obviously
Speaker 11: one and my only you know, as you know I've
Speaker 11: been saying for the last few weeks, I thought his
Speaker 11: favorite many hesitation was I didn't know whether the polls
Speaker 11: had caught up with a shy Trump Voto effect. And
Speaker 11: what is very clear that none of those poles in
Speaker 11: America had caught up with a shy Trump voter effect.
Speaker 11: They still haven't got it right. Whoever runs the news
Speaker 11: poll in Australia or to open an office over there
Speaker 11: and start polling America, because these clots that poll in
Speaker 11: America have no idea. Listen to this, Shari. CNN published
Speaker 11: a poll two days ago. They had Harris winning by
Speaker 11: five in Michigan. She lost by six. They're eleven percent out.
Speaker 11: They had it winning by six. In Wisconsin, she lost
Speaker 11: by four, ten percent out. They all had winning the
Speaker 11: popular of age. She's five million behind. And as Shawn
Speaker 11: Spison mentioned that this will go down history that the
Speaker 11: New York Times reported this Pole and Iowa by the
Speaker 11: they described her as the revered independent polster Anna Selsa,
Speaker 11: who had Harris winning by three. She lost by fourteen.
Speaker 11: So what's the point of this. The point is none
Speaker 11: of those polls in America have ever been able to
Speaker 11: work out the shy Trump voter effect, which was why
Speaker 11: you know cn inn an MSNBC hoodwinked all those people
Speaker 11: into thinking that Harris was just in front or very competitive,
Speaker 11: when in fact, as we know now, she was four
Speaker 11: percent behind.
Speaker 4: I think this.
Speaker 2: Result says so much as well about the attitudes of
Speaker 2: ordinary people. They don't want to be told what to
Speaker 2: do by celebrities. They don't want it to be told
Speaker 2: what to do by the mainstream media outlets, by the
Speaker 2: political elite. You know, they're going to vote their own way.
Speaker 2: And it was just such a devastating result for the
Speaker 2: Democrats from that perspective as well. Now, Graham Richardson, I
Speaker 2: have to say to you commiserations because you were hoping
Speaker 2: Kamala would win. How devastated are you tonight?
Speaker 7: I think shattered would be a reasonable description. No, I
Speaker 7: think it's I'm very sad about it. I thought it
Speaker 7: might go the other way. But you know, I'm full
Speaker 7: of admiration for Trump. It's not easy to lose the presidency,
Speaker 7: wait four years and come back. It's not easy to do.
Speaker 7: It takes semina and it takes that kind of of
Speaker 7: a character that will not ever take a backward step.
Speaker 7: And you have to admire that. Doesn't matter where you
Speaker 7: stand in politics, this is all Trump. He's had a
Speaker 7: brilliant win. And I think if I was a Trump supporter,
Speaker 7: the sham playing corks would definitely be a popping tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you imagine that a lot of not just Americans,
Speaker 2: by the way, a lot of Australians would be celebrating
Speaker 2: watching television tonight as we speak now, I bet that
Speaker 2: your mate Albo will be just as devastated as you are.
Speaker 1: Rich.
Speaker 2: Oh but here he was tonight reacting to the news.
Speaker 4: Have a look.
Speaker 12: The relationship between Australia and the United States is an
Speaker 12: important one for our country. It's a relationship that's important
Speaker 12: to our national security, to our economic trade, but importantly
Speaker 12: as well, it's one based upon democratic values and I
Speaker 12: look forward to working with the incoming presidents. I have
Speaker 12: done with President Biden in Australia's national interest.
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, there is no question this will be a
Speaker 2: nightmare scenario for Anthony Albertezi and his government.
Speaker 11: Very bad result for Albinezi because it shows that the
Speaker 11: working middle class that we talk about a lot on
Speaker 11: Sky not intimidated or influenced by the elites. Look at
Speaker 11: the Voice campaign if you want any more proof of that.
Speaker 11: They want to They've drained the swamp again in America
Speaker 11: and all those pop stars like Taylor Swift and Beyonce
Speaker 11: and Oprah Winfrey and Bruce Springsteen and all these people
Speaker 11: wallowing around in the swamp. When you're working three jobs
Speaker 11: and can't make ends meet, you really don't want to
Speaker 11: be elected to by a pop singer or a TV star.
Speaker 4: You really don't, right, you really don't.
Speaker 11: That's why Trump's people were working class people, right. Marck
Speaker 11: Evans in a different category. But Dana White, Hulk Hogan, Bryson, Deshambeau,
Speaker 11: Joe Rogan, the people he had behind him far more
Speaker 11: have far more in common with the working class. But
Speaker 11: Albow's biggest problem at the minute is Kevin Rudd. So
Speaker 11: he can't sack Rud, nor will he, but Kevin Rudd
Speaker 11: or to do the decent thing for his country and
Speaker 11: resign as ambassador. He knows that Australia's interests are not
Speaker 11: best served by him being the ambassador, given the shocking
Speaker 11: and appalling things he said about the incoming United States
Speaker 11: President Trump should say Rud should say, listen, I'm going
Speaker 11: to damage Australia's national standing within America by me staying
Speaker 11: as ambassador. I'm tendering my resignation. Any decent ambassador, a Peacock,
Speaker 11: a Beasley or Hockey, anyone who said that about the
Speaker 11: US president would resign.
Speaker 4: But you know what, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I agree Rudd's remarks were so deeply offensive, but
Speaker 2: I do think he has been working very hard to
Speaker 2: try and build bridges with the Republicans.
Speaker 4: You know who I think is going to really.
Speaker 11: Struggle bit late, Shari.
Speaker 4: Penny Wog.
Speaker 2: Penny Wong will really struggle because already there was this
Speaker 2: schism opening up between Australia and the United States on
Speaker 2: various policy issues, Israel being one of them. All that
Speaker 2: with our United Nations vote, and that was under a
Speaker 2: Biden administration. Under a Trump administration, you've got climate change,
Speaker 2: You've got the Middle East, You've got so many other issues,
Speaker 2: China for one, where the US is going to be
Speaker 2: a lot more forward leaning.
Speaker 4: And you know, how's Penny one going to handle that?
Speaker 2: She will be truly devastated tonight, which quite delights me.
Speaker 4: Richo, What do you think about that?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I think it wouldn't be Penny's best night, that's
Speaker 7: for sure. But I think Trump worries me in one sense.
Speaker 7: He's always been an isolationist America first, second, third, fourth, etc.
Speaker 7: He's always had that view, and I just hope that
Speaker 7: view is moderated considerably in this term of his presidency,
Speaker 7: because we need America to not be isolationists. We needed
Speaker 7: to lead the world. We needed to try and stand
Speaker 7: up against an ever more confident China. So, as far
Speaker 7: as I'm concerned, there are some really good points about
Speaker 7: Trump getting up. I can think of view and are
Speaker 7: not so good. But let's look on the right side.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that point, Michael Kroger, You know,
Speaker 2: the isolationist leanings, which by the way, JD. Vance, you know,
Speaker 2: has worrying signs of. I think there are other very
Speaker 2: strong Republican figures who set the tone for foreign policy
Speaker 2: in the last administration, Mike Pence, Mike Pompeo, Michael McColl
Speaker 2: a lot of those figures who really made sure that
Speaker 2: America still was the leader of the free world when
Speaker 2: Trump was president in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I do agree with Graham, though I don't like
Speaker 11: his isolations approached best evidence by his position in the Ukraine.
Speaker 11: I mean, what is he thinking? I mean, this is
Speaker 11: another civilizational battle. So but look, you know, what do
Speaker 11: we know about Trump? He doesn't like wars. He likes
Speaker 11: American military power to be used to say when it's used,
Speaker 11: which you used against the ISIS leader, which he used
Speaker 11: against ISIS back in twenty nineteen. I would expect him,
Speaker 11: as he has said, to get on the phone, to
Speaker 11: putin very soon and say this war's got to end.
Speaker 11: And I think he's going to put massive pressure on Iran.
Speaker 11: He knows that a solution in the Middle East can
Speaker 11: only happen, can only happen, This whole notion of the
Speaker 11: two state solution, peace in the Middle East, it can
Speaker 11: only happen when Iran are not funding the terrorist organizations
Speaker 11: in Gaza, on the West Bank and in Lebanon. Trump
Speaker 11: knows that, and so I think Iran are going to
Speaker 11: be under great pressure sooner rather than later. I think
Speaker 11: he's going to be a success on foreign policy. The
Speaker 11: Abraham Accords, which we've talked about it for were a
Speaker 11: brilliant step forward, and I think he will probably more
Speaker 11: than any other president in the last twenty thirty years,
Speaker 11: he more than anyone as I hope, of bringing some
Speaker 11: kind of lasting peace to the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's hope you're right on that point.
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, Graham Richardson, thank you for joining me tonight.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring it now Sky News contributer Kosher
Speaker 2: Ghada Kosher.
Speaker 4: Great to see you.
Speaker 2: Look, firstly, what's your reaction to this result? There have
Speaker 2: been some critical states that have flipped in Trump's direction.
Speaker 4: Were there any surprises for you?
Speaker 13: I would say, Shari, no surprises in terms of the
Speaker 13: cautiously optimistic scenario that people were holding.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 13: But there's a bit of a rising tide phenomenon, and
Speaker 13: once we saw which way the momentum was moving, everything
Speaker 13: was falling into place.
Speaker 1: You know. For me, I just say, what a ride.
Speaker 13: This has been the greatest story arc in American political
Speaker 13: history if you think about where it started, and it
Speaker 13: was always going to be a trilogy, knowing Trump with
Speaker 13: where it started in twenty sixteen, and this outside wrecking
Speaker 13: ball billionaire businessman came in, defeated the Bush dynasty, the
Speaker 13: Clinton dynasty, sixteen other handy Republican candidates, one delivered on
Speaker 13: a lot of his promises, got hit with COVID and
Speaker 13: a change the election system January sixth, all of that,
Speaker 13: and then you look at where he was on rock bottom,
Speaker 13: sort of arc two of that story. Everything he faced
Speaker 13: from being kicked off the ballot, to getting shot, indictments,
Speaker 13: being raided, being indicted, convicted, all of that, and now
Speaker 13: to come and do this thing, which is really is
Speaker 13: a repudiation. I think of the entire machine against him
Speaker 13: that was going for that. Because he has swept all
Speaker 13: seven we think it's not official yet, but he's on
Speaker 13: track to sweep all.
Speaker 1: Seven swing states. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 13: Taking the majority in the Senate, the House looks quite strong,
Speaker 13: and possibly even the popular vote, which hasn't happened in
Speaker 13: twenty years. So that's a huge moment I think in
Speaker 13: US history to look back on. And in that sense,
Speaker 13: I guess it is surprising if you look at the
Speaker 13: whole story arc of the trilogy that has been Trump's
Speaker 13: political career.
Speaker 2: I mean, we talk about his political comeback as you
Speaker 2: just have when you reference the impeachments, all the civil
Speaker 2: and criminal cases against him. At the political law fair,
Speaker 2: he's near death experience where that gunshot just came centimeters
Speaker 2: away from his brain.
Speaker 4: He could easily be dead, but kosher.
Speaker 2: We also forget that the seventh of January twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: half of his party had abandoned him. He was politically toxic.
Speaker 2: Not just his party, but a lot of Americans turned
Speaker 2: away in horror. So even from that perspective, for him
Speaker 2: to win back the confidence of the people to be
Speaker 2: elected in such a decisive results tonight is quite astonishing.
Speaker 2: What do you think were the most successful tactics that
Speaker 2: he used in his campaign?
Speaker 4: Used that made this happen.
Speaker 13: One hundred percent? So I think it's three things. The message,
Speaker 13: the messaging, and the mechanics. The message, which you talked
Speaker 13: about at the top of your show. The policy positions
Speaker 13: where he always was trusted as somebody who was a
Speaker 13: strong leader, had a different way of looking at trade
Speaker 13: and migration, different economic things, culture wars and all of that.
Speaker 1: So he's always strong on that and.
Speaker 13: He just never relented on that, and he really had
Speaker 13: his finger on the pulse of where the gap was
Speaker 13: frankly in the Republican establishment as well as the Democrat
Speaker 13: Party on that issue.
Speaker 7: Set.
Speaker 13: The second is the messaging, where he has always been
Speaker 13: the king of media, and the breadth and range that
Speaker 13: he showed where not only traditional media, which is the
Speaker 13: industry he grew up in, but also embracing podcasts and
Speaker 13: TikTok and social media and rallies and all of that,
Speaker 13: he was just able to cut through against very adversarial
Speaker 13: media and get his message out. Also, I think attracting
Speaker 13: these endorsements from very high profile, serious people in their fields,
Speaker 13: from Musk to Rogan to RFK and others helped with
Speaker 13: that messaging. And then the last thing I think is
Speaker 13: the mechanics, which is probably the most underreported story Shari,
Speaker 13: but I think we're going to hear more about that
Speaker 13: in the analysis to come, which is the ground gain
Speaker 13: that the Republicans were always behind the eight ball on
Speaker 13: the Democrats were always so much more superior to that,
Speaker 13: especially under Obama, and the way he did it kind
Speaker 13: of under the radar. He outsourced a lot of it
Speaker 13: to these outside grassroots groups rather than having it all
Speaker 13: done by the campaign or the RNC, and the way
Speaker 13: they were able to get Republicans from race early voting
Speaker 13: and rack up these leads coming into election age, which
Speaker 13: positioned them so strongly.
Speaker 1: Something that had never happened before.
Speaker 13: I think is probably the untold, secret ingredient of you
Speaker 13: know what put him over the edge tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so fascinated, all right, So much more to come
Speaker 2: on this, Koshagada, Thank you for joining me. Tonight our
Speaker 2: live special coverage tonight, and it is an historic result.
Speaker 2: It continues after this quick break, and Paul Murray will
Speaker 2: join me live from Washington.
Speaker 4: So don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Welcome back well for more of our coverage. Now, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump has been well, not elected, he has been voted
Speaker 2: in the forty seventh president of the United States. I'm
Speaker 2: joined now by Sky News host Paul Murray, awake in Washington, DC.
Speaker 4: Yet another old night of pol. Now. One of the.
Speaker 2: Most extraordinary things about tonight that so many people are
Speaker 2: furious over. And I tell you what, I bet you
Speaker 2: Democrats will be ropable about this. Kamala Harrison didn't bother
Speaker 2: to appear, not gracious enough to stand up and say
Speaker 2: to Democrats and to her supporters who'd been waiting there
Speaker 2: for hours, thank you for your support. You know, if
Speaker 2: she thinks the results were clear unclear, she could have
Speaker 2: said that, but she didn't.
Speaker 4: She went home. She was a no show. What do
Speaker 4: you think of this, Paul.
Speaker 6: It's a disgrace and it's an insight into her true personality.
Speaker 6: You know, the truth is now. Look, I can sort
Speaker 6: of loosen it up a bit now because we're sort
Speaker 6: of out of the news time, and we're now into
Speaker 6: the opinion time, and obviously in about half an hour,
Speaker 6: I'm really going to want to let loose. But the
Speaker 6: truth is that when you lose an election, you can
Speaker 6: often see the true test of somebody. We saw that
Speaker 6: Stephen Miles failed that in Queensland, and we saw that
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris failed it here. If this election was traveling
Speaker 6: the way that it was, but in the opposite direction,
Speaker 6: like at ten o'clock here, which was about two o'clock
Speaker 6: Sydney time, it was so clear, it was obvious that
Speaker 6: he was winning, that he had won at that point
Speaker 6: in time. So I think the networks would have started
Speaker 6: to rush towards the doors to say that Trump hadn't
Speaker 6: been defeated, and she's on our way, and we'll let
Speaker 6: the numbers trickle in. But the fact that she didn't
Speaker 6: look the people in her eye who believed in her
Speaker 6: so much that they were willing to dawknock and to
Speaker 6: debate and to call and to fight with their families
Speaker 6: and to stand in what can be colder times in
Speaker 6: Washington was just it was really it was low. I
Speaker 6: can't come up with a more creative word that doesn't
Speaker 6: start to move into the ones that I get in
Speaker 6: trouble for saying sometimes on.
Speaker 2: Two and you know, I was flicking all day between
Speaker 2: Fox News and CNN, and the CNN reporters at first said, up,
Speaker 2: the Kamala Harris team has gone silent. We haven't heard
Speaker 2: from them. Then they said, we've got a memo, a
Speaker 2: memo from her campaign manager. And they're still holding out
Speaker 2: hope for the blue wave for Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: And before long that was clearly heading in Trump's direction.
Speaker 2: He decisively won Pennsylvania. But the fact that they were
Speaker 2: still briefing this out, I mean, they accused Trump of
Speaker 2: not accepting results, but this is where they were heading.
Speaker 2: Quite late at night, Paul Mario, I want to ask
Speaker 2: you what you made of Donald Trump's speech. Do you
Speaker 2: think he said enough to unify what is a divided nation?
Speaker 6: Look for those I mean, let's be honest, the people
Speaker 6: that sort of can be one over or at least
Speaker 6: after an election, when they let the air out and say, look,
Speaker 6: all I want is the best for the joint It's
Speaker 6: not going to be everyone who didn't vote for him.
Speaker 6: There's obviously going to be let's say you know half
Speaker 6: three quarters of people who understandably going to be heard
Speaker 6: or rage for all the rest of it. Look, he
Speaker 6: can always do a better job at this stuff. He
Speaker 6: can always do a better job at sophistry, He can
Speaker 6: always do a better job at a tighter message. But
Speaker 6: when you think about what this bloke was playing with
Speaker 6: during this entire campaign, and they talk about the stakes
Speaker 6: on the future of democracy, this bloke had two options.
Speaker 6: He was going to become president or he was going
Speaker 6: to go to jail for the rest of his life.
Speaker 6: At no point did he look like a man who
Speaker 6: was playing with that level of stakes. So I think
Speaker 6: that what people eventually saw in Trump, when at some
Speaker 6: point in the past year or so they started to
Speaker 6: make the decision about are we going to go back
Speaker 6: to this bloke? They saw a guy whose reaction to
Speaker 6: being shot was to save, fight, fight fight, whose reaction
Speaker 6: to being charged with things that, let's be honest, at
Speaker 6: the very best in some scenarios, they were a bounce
Speaker 6: of the ball that always sort of went the other way.
Speaker 6: Was not to cave, was not to crumble when the
Speaker 6: media was going wild because there was a joke at
Speaker 6: a rally. He found a way just to keep pushing
Speaker 6: on and if he's willing to do that for himself,
Speaker 6: I think the most important thing that he said in
Speaker 6: his speech tonight was that I'm going to re breath
Speaker 6: that I have. I will fight for you, and we
Speaker 6: know how hard he can find for himself. And if
Speaker 6: he's promising to do that for the entire country. Look,
Speaker 6: the word unity mightn't be there, but the message was
Speaker 6: pretty clear, which is I'm taking care of you now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did have that line about he wants
Speaker 2: to heal the nation now as well. Paul, I think
Speaker 2: another very big outcome of this election is that, really,
Speaker 2: pretty much since Barack Obama, and it's reflected in Australia
Speaker 2: as well, we've seen this progressive wave of identity politics.
Speaker 4: You know, really going very woke.
Speaker 2: The Democratic Party used to be more mainstream.
Speaker 4: Do you think this result.
Speaker 2: Maybe this has been too hopeful, will kill off some
Speaker 2: of those more radical ends of the woke agenda that
Speaker 2: the Democrats were pushing on America?
Speaker 6: Well, see, don't forget Unlike Australia, where we've got say
Speaker 6: the Greens or One Nation or or Victorian Socialists or
Speaker 6: whatever it happens to be, there's lots of different places
Speaker 6: that you can put your vote depending on where you
Speaker 6: are on the spectrum. When essentially this is team Red,
Speaker 6: team Blue, it means that the entire team is at
Speaker 6: times defined by the furthest parts of their coalitions. Now,
Speaker 6: if they want to win again, you've got to come
Speaker 6: back to some form of the center, or at least
Speaker 6: come back from the perception about how hard left you're
Speaker 6: going to go. But that said, and again, let's not
Speaker 6: talk about the next Grand Final while this one is
Speaker 6: still echoing through the streets. But there are policies the
Speaker 6: Democrats have that are wildly popular, like many care for all.
Speaker 6: There are policies that are wildly needed in the country,
Speaker 6: like mental health care, like dental care. Now these things,
Speaker 6: because of the size of spending, will be referred to
Speaker 6: as lefty. But the stuff that normal people reject is
Speaker 6: when we have to go through sort of the performance
Speaker 6: that much of the modern left is involved with. So
Speaker 6: I think, whoever, the next the next most successful senior
Speaker 6: Democrat is going to be somebody who doesn't just pretend
Speaker 6: to be a little more normal. They're going to actually
Speaker 6: have to be a little bit more normal. And I
Speaker 6: think that economic populism which is being championed by Trump.
Speaker 6: I think it'll be echoed by the Democrats into the future.
Speaker 6: But if they want to keep banging on about you know,
Speaker 6: pronouns and pretending that you know, Columbus Day isn't a
Speaker 6: public holiday and all of this stuff, well then good luck,
Speaker 6: you're same thing again in four years.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it was even more extreme than that the
Speaker 2: ads that the Republicans were running, which were just Kamala
Speaker 2: Harrison our own words. We're talking about tax fair funded
Speaker 2: gender transitioning for prison inmates. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 2: just bizarre stuff.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Paul Murray will see you back here at nine o'clock
Speaker 2: for more, and Paul will certainly fire out, fire up,
Speaker 2: I should say, stick with us on this extraordinary night.
Speaker 4: I'll be back after the break. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're just joining us now, Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: the new president of the United States, and this is
Speaker 2: where the figures are looking. Donald Trump, according to Fox
Speaker 2: News's latest results, is sitting on two hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: seven of the Electoral College votes Kamala Harris at two
Speaker 2: twenty six. Trump, of course, needed two hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: to win there are still four states that have them
Speaker 2: in cold and in terms of the popular vote, Trump
Speaker 2: has won that as well with fifty one point two percent.
Speaker 4: All right, for more analysis. Now, let's bring in.
Speaker 2: The Hudson Institute Senior Fellow John Lee and the United
Speaker 2: States Center Senior Fellow Stephen Loosely.
Speaker 4: Welcome to you both. Stephen, first, I want.
Speaker 2: To get your reaction to this result tonight. Why do
Speaker 2: you think this has been a greater than expected loss
Speaker 2: for the Democratic Party.
Speaker 14: I should begin by saying, cherry On no longer with
Speaker 14: the US study set apology.
Speaker 4: Stephen, that is fine.
Speaker 14: I think the Democrats lost the kitchen table issues. If
Speaker 14: you had to point to basic issues of concern to
Speaker 14: average Americans, you'd begin, I think with the cost of living.
Speaker 14: I think grocery store prices had more impact than anything
Speaker 14: that the Federal Reserve was doing. I think the next
Speaker 14: issue would have been border security, where It's true the
Speaker 14: Biden administration had proposed a bipartisan measure in the US
Speaker 14: Senate which Donald Trump takt p date, but that only
Speaker 14: came over the last few months. And really this issue
Speaker 14: has been allowed to fester in American society and in
Speaker 14: American politics for some time. In the third issue, the
Speaker 14: FBI says the crime rate in the United States is dropping,
Speaker 14: but that wasn't how it was perceived by lots of
Speaker 14: ordinary people in American cities. So, if you ask me,
Speaker 14: I think the Democrats lost the kitchen table issues on
Speaker 14: which Donald Trump and the Republican campaign was able to capitalize.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're right.
Speaker 2: Crime has just taken over so many major cities like
Speaker 2: San Francisco. John In terms of the impact of a
Speaker 2: Trump presidency on Australia and on foreign policy, how do
Speaker 2: you see this, Well.
Speaker 15: Let's put aside the personality clashes. The Trump cabinet will
Speaker 15: find it quite difficult from personality point of view to
Speaker 15: deal with some of the urb and easy people. Let's
Speaker 15: put that aside. When Trump gets in, he'll conduct an
Speaker 15: audit of allies. He'll look at how much are they
Speaker 15: spending on defense, what are they spending it on, when
Speaker 15: are they spending it, and what are they prepared to
Speaker 15: commit to. Now, I've spent a lot of time in DC.
Speaker 15: I spent quite a bit of time speaking to potential
Speaker 15: Trump cabinet nominees in the national security space, and I
Speaker 15: can tell you they are very well aware that in
Speaker 15: their view Australia has not is not doing and spending
Speaker 15: what it's brought to. Now Trump will come in. He
Speaker 15: takes the lines of seriously, he's not an isolation list.
Speaker 15: He wants allies to pull their weight and Australia is
Speaker 15: not one of these allies that he thinks at the
Speaker 15: top of the list when it comes to pulling our weight.
Speaker 15: So that could be a problem for the oben Easy government.
Speaker 4: And that's going to be another exciting thing.
Speaker 2: Of course in the days and weeks ahead, will be
Speaker 2: who Trump picks for some of the key positions.
Speaker 4: He's already floated that.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk is going to have some sort of role
Speaker 2: in his administration, at least as part of his agenda. Stephen,
Speaker 2: how do you think that alban Ezy government and now
Speaker 2: but Easy personally also Penny Wang will have to try
Speaker 2: and respond to this new administration.
Speaker 14: Well, it's not a matter of a standing start the
Speaker 14: Australian Embassy in Washington for a very long period of time.
Speaker 14: I'm thinking Andrew Peacock, Kim Beasley right true to Arthur
Speaker 14: Sinadinas and Kevin Rudd, They've got very strong links both
Speaker 14: in the administration in State, the Pentagon and the like,
Speaker 14: and perhaps even more significantly, in the United States Congress.
Speaker 14: Now I'm just back recently from the Australian American Leadership
Speaker 14: Dialogue in Honolulu. Nonpartisan, strong links with the United States military,
Speaker 14: good representation from a variety of policy players in Australia.
Speaker 14: There is a considerable consensus, particularly within the US Congress,
Speaker 14: that Australia is a very reliable ally, is a contributor,
Speaker 14: and that even with Vice President Elect Vance just recently
Speaker 14: saying UCAS is a good idea, there is a fair
Speaker 14: amount of sentiment that the alliance relationship with Australia is
Speaker 14: more than worthwhile. Donald Trump will also look John John's
Speaker 14: right to look at defense spending, will also look at
Speaker 14: at trade relations, and Australia of course runs a trade
Speaker 14: deficit with the United States, and that has had an
Speaker 14: impact upon Donald Trump before, which has been positive for Australia.
Speaker 14: So there's a number of things to weigh up there.
Speaker 14: I am not as pessimistic as some. I think a
Speaker 14: lot of spade work's already been done, a lot more
Speaker 14: needs to be done, and we really have to build
Speaker 14: some bridges. But if people like Mike Pompeio, for example,
Speaker 14: the former Secretary of State would have come into a
Speaker 14: second Trump administration and defense I think that would be
Speaker 14: a relatively smooth transition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that would be an excellent appointment.
Speaker 2: He's a strong friend of Australia. I've interviewed him before twice,
Speaker 2: but he is very strong on national security issues as well. John,
Speaker 2: I just want to turn to the historic nature of
Speaker 2: this result, and Trump becomes only the second president in
Speaker 2: United States history to serve non consecutive terms.
Speaker 4: The first was Grover Cleveland.
Speaker 2: He did two stints in the White House from eighteen
Speaker 2: eight until eighteen eighty nine and then eighty ninety three
Speaker 2: until eighteen ninety seven. So this is quite extraordinary, and
Speaker 2: in a sense, he probably was only voted out in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty because of his poor handling of the pandemic.
Speaker 15: Well, what this tells me, I'm not a historian in
Speaker 15: American politics, but what this tells me is that Trump
Speaker 15: might have lost in twenty twenty, but the issues that
Speaker 15: Trump raised, trade issues, defence issues, societal issues, law and
Speaker 15: crime issues, those issues haven't gone away, and they didn't
Speaker 15: go away Underbiden. In fact, they got worse Underbiden. So
Speaker 15: I'm not at all surprised that Trump has won this election.
Speaker 15: He ran on issues that people cared about. He didn't
Speaker 15: run on identity, he didn't run on some sort of
Speaker 15: social elite type issue. He ran on the sorts of
Speaker 15: things that white men, Hispanics, women, African Americans actually cared about.
Speaker 15: So this result doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, Stephen, there are lessons from Australia to be
Speaker 2: learned from this as well, because economy was such a
Speaker 2: vote changer in this election, and we saw that in
Speaker 2: the exit polls. You know, this should be cause for
Speaker 2: concern for the Labor government here in Australia.
Speaker 14: Oh, it's a concern for governments in all Western democracies.
Speaker 14: And I'd also underline, Shari that immigration constantly recurs in
Speaker 14: Western elections. We saw it most recently in the UK,
Speaker 14: for example. It's certainly been an issue in this American election.
Speaker 14: So there are lessons to be learned for people in
Speaker 14: active politics in Western democracies everywhere. I make this point
Speaker 14: Donald Trump, I'm certainly no fan of the gentleman, but
Speaker 14: his resilience has been extraordinary. It is astonishingly difficult to
Speaker 14: come back to the White House and non consecut gative terms.
Speaker 14: Grover Cleveland did it in the eighteen nineties mainly because
Speaker 14: of a very poor performance by Republican administrations. You can see
Speaker 14: that in this win by Donald Trump. So what he's
Speaker 14: powered through would have filled many another man or woman
Speaker 14: in the political game. And I think that's worth acknowledging.
Speaker 4: No, indeed it is. Stephen Looseley, John Lee.
Speaker 2: Great to have you both on the show, And don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere, because after the break we're going to look
Speaker 2: at just how the stock.
Speaker 4: Markets have reacted to this news.
Speaker 2: Aaron Patrick would join me more of our coverage on
Speaker 2: this historic night. Welcome back, and if you're just tuning in,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump will be the forty seventh the president of
Speaker 2: the United States of America. This is an historic night.
Speaker 2: The results in the end were decisive. It wasn't the close,
Speaker 2: potentially drawn out results that we had been told to expect.
Speaker 2: We were told the polls were very close, that this
Speaker 2: was deadlocked. That's not the case. You can see the
Speaker 2: latest figures on the screen now, Donald Trump has one
Speaker 2: According to Fox News, he's projected to win two hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy seven of the Electro College votes. We have
Speaker 2: it a bit higher at two eighty, but we'll see
Speaker 2: how that changes over the next few days. Joining me
Speaker 2: now contributor to the Nightly Aaron Patrick. Now, Aaron, I
Speaker 2: want to start by speaking to you about the reaction
Speaker 2: in the stock markets and the cryptocurrencies to the news.
Speaker 2: This was very well received when it became clear that
Speaker 2: Trump was going to be the president, not Kamala.
Speaker 16: Harris Well Sharry, there's been being quite strong rally in
Speaker 16: the futures training in chairs because it's nighttime, of course,
Speaker 16: to you at share markets aren't open, but they indicate
Speaker 16: that when the share market's do open tomorrow, we expect
Speaker 16: a pretty strong rally of approximately one to one and
Speaker 16: a half percent across the board, particular in stocks which
Speaker 16: are correlated to strong economic performance. There was a selloff
Speaker 16: in bonds, indicating that some investors do expect inflationary pressures.
Speaker 16: I guess as the Trump administration it goes through and
Speaker 16: delivers big tax cuts.
Speaker 4: And cryptocurrencies as well did very well they did.
Speaker 16: Bitcoin is now very close to its all record high
Speaker 16: of seventy five thousand US dollars. A few years ago,
Speaker 16: it was down sixteen thousand dollars, and that's because Donald
Speaker 16: Trump has said that he wants to make America the
Speaker 16: crypto capital of the world.
Speaker 2: It's interesting how during the campaign, Wall Street really swung
Speaker 2: in behind Donald Trump, believing that he would be better
Speaker 2: for the economy. This was reflected in things like the
Speaker 2: All In podcast, very popular in the United States.
Speaker 4: I mean, the only concern really was.
Speaker 2: About his policy of putting high tariffs, which could lead
Speaker 2: to higher taxes on the higher cost of actual products
Speaker 2: and goods.
Speaker 4: But really Wall Street did swing in behind him.
Speaker 16: Yeah, that's aoksually one of the really interesting and slightly
Speaker 16: counterintuitive factors of Trump's whole victory, which is Wall Street
Speaker 16: generally hates tariffs and is very much for free trade.
Speaker 16: Donald Trump clearly has promised basically a pretty big global
Speaker 16: trade war. But I think Wall Street was just absolutely
Speaker 16: convinced that he would be good for business and he's
Speaker 16: going to push pipelines through, he's going to lower personal taxes,
Speaker 16: He's basically going to be He's going to do the
Speaker 16: things that Republicans really like, which is good for business.
Speaker 2: Look, I want to ask you about this election also
Speaker 2: brought in the culture, was it was mostly about the
Speaker 2: economy and immigration, the immigration crisis, the border, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But it did bring in the Culture Wars, and it
Speaker 2: was a thorough reject of the most woke, left leaning
Speaker 2: instincts of the Democrat Party.
Speaker 4: What do you think about that?
Speaker 16: Look to me, to my mind, the culture Wars where
Speaker 16: I put more emphasis on the importance of the culture
Speaker 16: Wars than the economy. Even though a lot of Americans
Speaker 16: are pretty pessimistic about where the country's going. It's actually
Speaker 16: the American economy at the moment is the envy of
Speaker 16: the world. It's just a lot of Americans don't feel
Speaker 16: that way. I think they feel that the country's heading
Speaker 16: in the wrong direction, in part because of the rise
Speaker 16: of this phenomenon that we've seen, which a part of
Speaker 16: the culture wars, diversity, equity inclusion, transgender rights, views, defund
Speaker 16: the police. And I know you've been talking about these
Speaker 16: issues for many years. And I remember a couple of
Speaker 16: years ago you spoke about there was this push to
Speaker 16: get rid of the words breastfeeding, and I think what
Speaker 16: you're seeing now.
Speaker 4: Replace it with chest feeding.
Speaker 16: Yeah, And I think now you're seeing sort of the
Speaker 16: political consequences, a backlash towards the towards what's been happening
Speaker 16: in the US and around the world. So to me,
Speaker 16: this is sort of this is a sign that politics
Speaker 16: is fundamentally shifting and culture is perhaps becoming a bigger
Speaker 16: determinant of how you vote then your views on how
Speaker 16: the economy should be structured.
Speaker 2: A lot of the themes that were major in the
Speaker 2: US election, with the exception of the Mexican border, but
Speaker 2: the other themes really resonate in Australia as well and
Speaker 2: will be issues for the Albanezi government at the next election.
Speaker 16: To my mind, this is a huge philip for Peter Dutton.
Speaker 16: I think Peter Dutton has struck a lot of similar
Speaker 16: themes to what Trump has done, mostly not to sort
Speaker 16: of the extent that you've seen over there, but you know,
Speaker 16: Peter Dutton's raising concern about, say, competition from immigrants, housing,
Speaker 16: national security issues. I think this is good news for Dunton.
Speaker 2: Yea, it is indeed, Aaron Patrick, we'll keep reading your
Speaker 2: work in the nightly. Thank you for joining us, and
Speaker 2: thank you everyone at home for joining us on this
Speaker 2: amazing night. It has been an exciting day of results
Speaker 2: and to continue this coverage live from Washington, DC, here's
Speaker 2: Paul Murray