WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 14 May 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:00.480 Lately. 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:07.879 Welcome the Late Ball. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:10.040 It's great to have your company. I'm James macpherson with 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.800 Liz Stauer and Caleb Bond. Obviously, tonight, the big story 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:16.759 is the federal budget released by Treasurer Jim Chalmers just 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:18.639 a couple of hours ago. We'll talk about that, but 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:21.160 there's a lot more to get through as well, everything 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.000 from religious freedom to whistleblowers to tough new penalties for 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:28.120 pet owners whose dogs go rogue. We'll talk about that 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.520 as well. Plus, I want to show you a clip 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.360 from Joe Biden today where he made a startling admission 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.159 about Kamala Harris. It may be the first time Joe 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.159 Biden has told the truth in his life. We'll get 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.000 to that. Plus we've got what's making news tomorrow, as 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.559 you can imagine, most of the papers dealing with the 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.800 federal budget. In fact, why don't we have a look 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.319 at just a couple that have already come through. Let 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.640 me show you the front page of tomorrow's Herald's Son 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.440 in Melbourne. They've got a rather pensive looking treasurer on 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:59.720 the front page with that sort of you're buying this expression, they. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:02.760 Great expense, we're buying it. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.720 I believe they're calling him charmed and dangerous. He's trying 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.679 to charm us with a three hundred dollars power bill rebate, 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:13.720 but dangerous live because the debt is going to hit 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:16.680 a trillion dollars and keep going up. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.720 Indeed, he meant it when he said in his budget 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:25.240 speech this evening, this year's a budget for the forthcoming decades. Yeah, 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.039 because they'll be paying it off. We will be paying 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.640 it off four decades. Another front page spash on the 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:37.119 Daily Telly, what's up, dark Well, jobless Australians up, grocery 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:42.080 prices up, government debt up, overseas migrants, green's handouts and 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:47.360 labour's total tax weight also up. I mean, what is 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.360 there anything good to say about this budget? 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.480 Caleb, help us out here. Is there one positive? 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.160 Well? I suppose that the one positive, if your Jim Chalmers, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.240 is that it is very much an election budget. You know, 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.160 he tried his hardest not to offend anyone. But of 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.760 course the problem with that is that there is nothing 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.079 much in there to deal with the real problems we have. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.080 And we know that you This night, Budget Night is 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.640 the one night of the year where the Treasurer gets 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.000 his day in the sun. He gets to stand up 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.080 for half an hour and tell all the lies and 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:23.120 spin he can fit into that thirty minutes. So I 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.040 sat down tonight to watch Charmers give his speech, and well, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.600 I wasn't very heartened because within thirty seconds he'd started, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.800 as Liz just alluded to with the cliches. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:36.760 This is a budget for the here and now, and 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.760 it's a budget for the decades to come. 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:42.639 It's not really a budget for the decades to come. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.280 It's barely a budget for the next year to come. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.480 But of course what they're banking on is that we 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:51.280 will have an interest rate drop within the next year 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.399 or so and they can go off to an early. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.240 Election sell the election as well. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:59.160 You know, we've done the hard yards, we got inflation down, 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:00.440 and we need your will. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:01.760 Help to keep on going. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.520 So of course the main theme tonight was nothing else 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:05.240 but cost of. 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:08.960 Living, cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.360 cost of living, cost of living, cost of living, cost 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.919 of living, cost of living, and. 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.120 Of course one of the major planks of cost of 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.480 living measures was one that we heard about months ago. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.040 But mister Charmers, or doctor Charmers as I should say, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.440 spent a lot of time talking about tonight, and that 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:28.160 is of course, the reworked Stage three tax cuts. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.919 Deliver as a tax cut for every taxpayer. Our new 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.240 tax cuts for middle Australia, all thirteen point six million 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.360 taxpayers will get a tax cut, a bigger tax cut 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.360 than they would have under the previous government. Our tax 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.640 cuts are better for families and communities, women and young people, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.040 just as every Australian taxpayer will get a tax cut. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.840 I mean no mention, of course, of the fact that 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.320 he redrew Stage three tax cuts, so many taxpayers are 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:58.880 actually getting less of a tax cut than they were 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.840 originally promised when this government was elected elected on the promise, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.320 by the way, that they would not fiddle which with 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:08.920 Stage three tax cut. But doctor Chalmers pointed out a 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.160 group of workers who he believed would benefit especially from 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:12.760 the changes. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:17.240 This is about rewarding the hard work of our nurses 0:04:17.320 --> 0:04:19.760 and teachers and truckies and tradees. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.000 I'd love to know how long he spent working on 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:25.599 that line, or you know, the nurses and teachers, the 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.600 truckies and the tradees well. 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.320 A lot of tradees of course. 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.160 Earn more than one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, particularly 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:35.480 if you're a construction worker and those workers are getting 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.800 less of a tax cut than they were originally promised 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:39.760 by labor. 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:40.960 Well done. 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.600 But of course then it moved on to energy. And 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.200 we've heard this so many times. No, it's got nothing 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.839 to do with renewable energy that your power prices have 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:50.440 gone up. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:51.400 It's Russia. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.919 Russia's invasion of Ukraine triggered the biggest shock to global 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.480 energy prices since the nineteen seventies. We know Australian families 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.560 and businesses have felt this pain, and that's why we've 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:05.719 stepped in to help. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.600 Oh God, save me, but step into help they apparently have. 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:11.520 Would you believe it. 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.720 If it weren't for this government, your power prices and 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:16.480 I think you know how much they have gone up, 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.200 would have gone up even more. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:23.960 Electricity prices would have risen fifteen percent in the last 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.800 year if not for our efforts. Instead, they arose an 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.120 average of two percent. 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:30.679 Two percent, two percent. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.120 Has anyone looked at their power bill recently and really 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.360 believes that your power bill has only gone up by 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:41.719 two percent? But there's an answer to this, Oh my god, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:42.480 what can we do? 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.240 Were the government? We've got money. Why don't we just 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:45.800 give it to you? 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:50.760 From July one, Australians will receive an energy rebate of 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:54.440 three hundred dollars and one million small businesses will get 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.680 a little bit more. The ABS has shown how cutting 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.400 energy bills directly cuts inflation two. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.240 Three hundred bucks. 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.840 It doesn't really make up for the increase in your 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.240 power bills, does it, even though apparently they only went 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.560 up by two percent extraordinarily, And he says, look, it's 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:15.120 actually anti inflationary. It's a real slight of hand that 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.080 the boffins who work this out on paper say it's 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.960 anti inflationary, because of course it means that power prices 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.760 are actually less so when they're working out the rate 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.080 of inflation, the contribution of power to that is less 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.000 than it otherwise would have been. But it means you 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.280 have three hundred extra dollars cash in hand to go 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.599 and spend elsewhere, so that money is still swimming around 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.160 in the economy. It's not really anti inflationary. But let's 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.080 not forget the government did promise a decrease in your 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.960 power prices, and of course they couldn't actually deliver that, 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.720 So why don't we just give you three hundred dollars instead, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.359 it's really similar to that number. 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.599 They promised your power prices would go down. 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.680 Households will benefit by two hundred and seventy five dollars 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:58.920 on Apple reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.280 five dollars, price by two hundred and seventy five dollars 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.239 two hundred and seventy five dollars two hundred and seventy 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.400 five dollars a year, two hundred and seventy five dollars, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:11.160 two hundred and seventy five dollars a year. 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.560 Never mind all that, you're getting a three hundred dollars rebate. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:16.560 Aren't you lucky? 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.720 Even if you're malcom turnable, Even if you're earning three, four, five, 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.680 even twenty million dollars a year, you get three hundred bucks. 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.600 Aren't you so lucky? And of course, we need other 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.920 industry in this country. We've lost our manufacturing. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:29.679 Et cetera. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.160 So we're going to turn to the one thing that 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.880 has made your power bills more expensive. 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:40.000 Renewable energy a crucial part of a growth agenda, which 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.800 is all about attracting investment in key industries making our 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.000 country are Renewable energy superpower. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:48.680 Of course, we're about the only country in the world 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.239 that would want to be a renewable energy superpower, because 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.840 don't forget most other Western nations have agreed to increase 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:59.400 nuclear power threefold by twenty fifty, going after net zero 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.320 by that time. Australia is one of the only countries 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:06.560 of all our allies who said we're not going. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:06.720 To do it. 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:08.680 No one else wants to buy into a dot there's 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.680 an open market for Australia to get on board with. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:13.760 And of course we need people to fill up these 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.680 sectors and run all these quantum computers that were apparently 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.280 going to build. So we're going to get loads more 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:22.120 people into university tonight. 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.000 We're setting a national target of eight out of ten 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.640 workers achieving a tertiary qualification by twenty fifty, and we're 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.719 backing it in with new funding reforms to meet this. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:37.240 Goal eight out of teen workers by twenty fifty. I 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.640 hate to break it to your doctor charmers, but in 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:43.480 twenty twenty two university enrollments where the lowest they had 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.160 been in nine years. I think you're going to have 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.400 a gargantuan task pulling that one off. And I mean 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.360 you won't even be there in twenty fifty anyway, so 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.520 what does it matter. You can promise whatever the hell 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.800 you want, and then of course we had to draw 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:59.400 it all out. The NDIS, which keeps ballooning out and 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:02.120 out and out, will be sixty billion dollars a year 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.800 within a few years time. Next year it's going to 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:07.600 be forty nine million. But it's time to crack down on. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.600 The roots and ensuring that every dollar invested in the 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:15.000 NDIS goes to those who need it most, which is 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.199 why we're providing four hundred and sixty nine million dollars 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.480 to keep working with the disability community and the states 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.040 and territories to crack down on fraud and exploitation. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.760 Short and look thrilled there, doesn't it? 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.199 I think I see, I think I see forty nine 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.719 million before it's forty nine billion dollars. The budget for 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:35.040 the NDAs will be in the next financial year. So 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.760 there's beending four hundred and sixty nine million, which is 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.640 nearly ten percent of the NDIS budget to stop people 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:46.640 defrauding the NDIS. I mean, it's hardly a working system, man, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:47.000 is it? 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:48.200 Give me a break? 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.000 Anyway, We'll have more analysis on the budget later in 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.920 the papers segment, and there's plenty of it to get 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:53.160 through it. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.400 Can I just say I've watched all of Sky News 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.600 coverage tonight on the budget, all of it has been great, 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.640 but that five minutes was the best budget spots I 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:01.160 have seen. 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:02.360 Again, you're five. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.640 Peter Dutton doesn't even need to talk tomorrow. He just 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.119 needs to replay that little. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.720 Spirit and I didn't even pay him to say that. 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.200 Can you believe it? My budget is looking much better 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:12.600 than doctor Charmits. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:12.800 From now on. 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.440 Instead of Charmers getting half an hour for the budget speech, 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.760 five minutes, Roler Bond can do it, so can you, buddy? 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.640 Well to the news of the day today where we 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.600 have a whistleblower story and you know I don't love 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:26.400 many things as. 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.120 Much as I love a whistleblower story. 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:33.160 Well, today, former military lawyer David McBride was sentenced to 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:37.000 almost six years in jail for being the whistleblower who 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.400 exposed Australia's war crimes in Afghanistan, where he was deployed 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:45.720 twice in twenty and eleven and two thousand and thirteen. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.120 How disgusting is our. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:51.320 Government for prosecuting this man? 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:56.079 In twenty nineteen, Labor promised that they would put together 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.640 a whistleblower protection agency. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:00.000 Well, that never happened. 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.040 And then in twenty twenty one they promised that if 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:08.640 we elected them, they would make whistleblower laws really, really tight, 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.280 so those whistleblowers could blow all the whistles that they wanted. 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:13.439 That never happened either. 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:16.920 Then they got into power and their Attorney General, Mark 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.080 Dreyfuss decided, I'm going to have a look. 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:22.640 I'm going to have a review at our secrecy laws. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:28.559 And he decided then that actually, if the whistleblower undermines 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:34.520 trust in the Australian government, undermines the community's trust in 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:38.240 Australian government, then I will prosecute them. So what are 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.400 they supposed to blow whistles about, Dreyfuss all the great things. 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.560 The government's doing behind closed doors. I don't think so. 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.040 Of course, what he's really saying is, if you really 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.800 knew what went on here Ozzie's, you wouldn't trust us. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.640 So we're just going to make a damn well sure 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:01.440 you never find out. And I can't think of anyone 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.959 better to explain David McBride's full story to you than 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:10.400 an organization who calls themselves the Australian government and makes 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:14.360 these ads saying this is what government wouldn't speak like 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:16.400 if they were honest. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.400 Our whistleblower laws are here to protect you. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:21.559 Just kidding. 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.079 You'll be prosecuted, bankrupt did and spend the rest of 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.840 your life in jail. Old, No, seriously, you're like David 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.120 who blew the whistle on war crimes in Afghanistan, including 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.199 the murder of children. An official inquiry confirmed the war 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.080 crimes took place. The journo who published the war crimes 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.960 got an oam, the soldier who allegedly committed the war 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.560 crimes got a medal, and the guy who helped reveal 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.160 the war crimes he's about to get life in jail. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.319 How else was he meant to blow the whistle? He 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.080 wasn't silly, And David, we prevented him from using key 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.360 evidence and witnesses to defend himself under the Act because 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:58.160 national security. They're by forcing him to plead guilty. And 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.559 that is why the first person to based jail in 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.760 relation to war crimes in Afghanistan isn't a war criminal, 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:09.359 but the guy who exposed the war crimes. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.840 For shame Australian government. 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:13.760 Of course, David McBride did seek protection under the Public 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:16.199 Disclosure Act twenty and thirteen. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:18.440 Now, the way this Act works is that. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:23.880 It doesn't It's literally just there to protect the government really, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.400 which is why in the ten years that it's been 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:32.280 in force it has protected exactly zero whistleblowers. Well, David, 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.920 you can stand proud and tall, buddy, and he clearly is. 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:37.240 This was his quote today. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.679 I had never been so proud to be Australian as today. 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.480 I have broken the law, but I did not break 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.080 my oath to the people of Australia and the soldiers. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:48.400 Who keep us safe. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.800 Let's remember Albanzi's tweet back in twenty twenty after the 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:56.880 shocking revelations brought to us by the Brereton Report. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:59.280 He said, we must act on. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.600 The Breton findings and never hide from the truth of 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:03.319 our past. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.840 We must also face the future to make sure that this. 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:08.040 Never happens again. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.839 We owe it to those brave soldiers and whistleblowers who 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:17.680 stood up, spoke out and said enough, Well you've got 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:22.800 egg all over your face, you big fat liar. Of course, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.280 the reason why the government takes these prosecutions against these 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:32.840 whistleblowers for exposing their own corruption is because well, firstly 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:36.480 they hate their corruption being exposed. But secondly, gotten to 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.000 make an example out of these people, don't you, which 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:43.360 is why the judge today said that exact thing. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:44.840 Lastly, a lego. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.160 Respender must be a very cold day in hell, because 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.240 here I am siding with a Teal also tweeted today, 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.320 the prison sentence handed to David McBride sends a chilling 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.880 message to whistleblowers across Australia. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.520 David is the only. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:02.320 Person to go to jail for Australian wrongdoing in Afghanistan. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.200 His only crime was exposing the truth. We need a 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:11.960 better whistleblower protections urgently. Do you think they're gonna be forthcoming? 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.160 Do you think they're gonna be forthcoming? It's Julian assanj 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:16.920 all over again. 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:18.840 They just wipe their hands and be like. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:22.640 Well, you exposed us, so now we throw you under 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:23.320 the bus. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.680 The irony in this case is that David McBride was 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.960 not intending to get Australian soldiers in trouble. As I 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:33.160 understand it, He licked this information to journalists because he 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:37.840 was concerned that the military were unfairly targeting soldiers for 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:41.720 killing Afghani's in self defense. So he liackd this material. 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.320 Then the ABC used it as he had not intended 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:49.600 to publish allegation sold and it became an anti soldier thing. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.280 So that's a great irony in this. He licked information 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.840 to get result A and ended up with result B. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.440 Now he's in jail. I guess he still believes it's 0:15:57.480 --> 0:15:57.880 worth it. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.440 Yeah, Look, he probably should foreseen what was going to 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.040 be done with that information when he leaked it. I mean, 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.800 any self respecting journalist looking at that would have looked 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.360 at it and said, well, I've got a war crime 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:10.720 story on my hands. 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.320 Here was pretty obvious. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.840 Look, if you are willing to take the risk of 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.960 stealing that information and leaking at which he did, you 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.080 should also be willing to take the fall for that. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.160 And as far as I can tell, mister McBride is 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.960 more than willing to take the fall for that. He 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.480 hasn't resiled from what he's done. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.480 He didn't go to Spain for a year and then 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:29.720 reluctantly came home. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.680 But he came and he's faced it, and he's taken 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:35.000 it very well. The concern I have is that if 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:38.720 you say it's open the floodgates and every whistle blower 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:42.360 is protected for everything, do you not then create a 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.960 situation where there are no stage secrets and therefore every 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.280 other foreign power is aware of everything we are doing. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.480 And we operate in a world where we know other 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:54.480 countries are very secretive about what they do. So why 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:57.920 would we voluntarily give as much information as we can 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:02.320 to countries like China then use that information against us 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.200 when we can't do the same. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:09.040 Tradition to use our war crimes in Afghanistan one of 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.920 many wars in which we're just being America's little bitch 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:15.280 and following them into these things, having absolutely no idea 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.920 why we're really there except oh, America's there. We inevitably 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.119 find out ten or twenty years later after these wars 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.480 the fact that America was just shoring up its own 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.720 selfish interests and we were just there playing patsy anyway, 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:34.480 and Afghanistan is absolutely no exception. How is China going 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:35.679 to benefit from that? 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.160 Well to that question, Judge Mossip, in his rulings, said 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:41.879 that because there were hundreds of documents leaked, right, So 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.280 he said that in those documents there was tactical information 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.280 which could give an advantage to an adversary. He also 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.639 said it would cause our partners to lack confidence in 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:54.200 the Australian military that their secrets were not safe with us. 0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:57.119 So there were two practical ways in which the judge state, 0:17:57.640 --> 0:17:59.919 why compromised Australian security? 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:02.520 Why do you pretend, on the one hand to be. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.639 Like, yay, whistleblowers, We've got protections in place. You've literally 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:11.720 got these whistleblower laws, you've got the Public Disclosure Act, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.639 pretending like, hey, if you want to bust us, we'll actually. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.600 Look after you. There there was the guy. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:20.960 Richard Boyle I think his name was, who uncovered he 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.080 was the whistleblower uncovering what the ATO was doing, taking 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.280 way too much money off small businesses, etc. 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:27.879 And so on. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.840 They prosecuted him, even though they then got their act 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:35.640 together tidied up everything he brought to the nation's attention, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.919 so thereby admitting yes, what he said was right and 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:41.600 now we're fixing everything. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:42.520 Thanks for that. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.680 They prosecuted him any way as well, because he put 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.200 together the documents showing what they were doing. 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.320 Sure, crying out show, but there's a difference between talking 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.280 about whether the ATO has taken money it shouldn't have 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.600 taken from Australians and then state secrets in relation to 0:18:59.600 --> 0:18:59.920 the miller. 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.879 I mean, the accusation has no. 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:04.760 Difference when it comes to this is a government who 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:05.840 in this no difference. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:07.919 There's no differences. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:11.440 I'm talking about the premise of my argument is I'm 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.239 talking about this is a government who said they were 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:18.080 going to set up a whistleblower protection agency, who promised us, 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.080 it was one of their election promises, that we're going 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:25.240 to make these watertight laws for whistleblowers. Then their Attorney 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.040 General does it swiftly and says, well, actually, if you 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:33.000 so much as undermine the community's trust in government, Jeep, 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.240 as you do that yourselves every other day, by the way, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:40.360 then that is grounds for prosecution and I will go 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.160 after you hammer and tong. Hopefully the matter the nature 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.840 of the whistleblower. And that is why I'm using the 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.520 example of Richard Boyle, because in the eyes of this 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:54.919 government it doesn't matter but that to do with Afghanistan 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.600 or the ATO, because clearly they go after you anywhere. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.000 But I tipted that's hypocritical, but surely we just can't 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.840 people running around revealing state secrets all the time. I mean, 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.159