Speaker 1: I got a grouvers Craig, Anthony Hearper, Tiffany and Cook, Josh, Brian, Kevin,
Speaker 1: Patrick Pittman.
Speaker 2: Tif Cookie. This is I'm feeling a bit of deja
Speaker 2: vous right now.
Speaker 3: Feels what we've been here before, doesn't.
Speaker 1: I feel, I don't know, there's a familiarity about this
Speaker 1: moment in time really similar.
Speaker 4: Did I dream this last night? Guys? Yeah?
Speaker 2: You did? You did? Josh?
Speaker 1: Why do we all? Have we been in the matrix?
Speaker 1: Are we coming out? What the fuck is going on?
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm sorry for sending you guys that macro doos
Speaker 4: of mushrooms in the mail. They really trip things out
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 1: Well, if a little bit of psilocybin and LSD is
Speaker 1: a great way.
Speaker 2: To get the get the show started.
Speaker 1: Now if you're wondering what the fuck we're talking about? Everybody,
Speaker 1: Josh and Tiff and I started about five minutes ago
Speaker 1: and we had.
Speaker 2: A few tech issues.
Speaker 1: So this is take two and hopefully it's the last
Speaker 1: take before we talk to Josh officially.
Speaker 2: Tiff Good morning.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Harps.
Speaker 1: Again, you've been up since the crack of Sparrow's fart.
Speaker 1: You told us first time around, what were you doing
Speaker 1: up so early.
Speaker 3: I'm all ways up early, up really yelling at people
Speaker 3: and making them live their best lives.
Speaker 2: Mm and punching them in the face with love.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, precisely.
Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of nothing to our well, hunters and collectors,
Speaker 1: Mark Seymour's hunters, collectors, who's hunters and collectors? Who's just
Speaker 1: Mark Seymour?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: For those who've been living under rock. His new album
Speaker 1: is called The Boxer. The Boxer on the front of
Speaker 1: the album is our very own Tiffany and Cook Who's
Speaker 1: who's been very shy and quiet about that?
Speaker 2: Is the album selling? And how is your star pupil mate?
Speaker 3: It is selling like hotcakes. I'm trying to find They
Speaker 3: put up a post the other day and I'm trying
Speaker 3: to find what it says. There was a quote on it.
Speaker 3: Let me see, Well, here we go, ready. The Boxer
Speaker 3: is a fight for love and the finest music of
Speaker 3: Seymour's career. And that was written in Stack magazine, just
Speaker 3: saying the finest record of his career.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that's because the title song was
Speaker 1: about you?
Speaker 3: Most definitely? Could there be any other reason?
Speaker 1: Well, Josh, I think you need to write a song
Speaker 1: about tip. I think that's the take home message here.
Speaker 5: Oh mate, I could rifferbout it. I could just get it.
Speaker 2: There's our promo, there's our promo, You're.
Speaker 4: Welcome promo classic.
Speaker 3: Sorry, where's is all mine?
Speaker 4: Josh?
Speaker 2: Don't worry, that's gone.
Speaker 4: It's a boxing thing I should have gone with. Have
Speaker 4: a Bissosh, Why why the dick?
Speaker 2: Joe's terrible, straight up, straight up.
Speaker 4: Awful.
Speaker 1: People would be like, remember that the moment that Josh
Speaker 1: kind of tumbled into obscurity, Remember that when his career
Speaker 1: came crashing down. I think it was on the You
Speaker 1: project or some yeah. Yeah, when he said that that
Speaker 1: horrible thing to that woman who fucking loved it and
Speaker 1: then used it on her socials as a primer.
Speaker 2: That definitely is going to be on her Instagram and
Speaker 2: on her Facebook.
Speaker 4: Oh god, it's going to go viral. I'm going to
Speaker 4: go viraly downhill. Yeah. Anyway, if that was terrible, that
Speaker 4: was my worst songwriting. That's that's what happens when you
Speaker 4: get a singer who's not a songwriter onto the chap.
Speaker 1: Do you know what, mate, if we're not allowed to
Speaker 1: have fun, then I'm fucking hanging it up.
Speaker 2: And that was having fun.
Speaker 4: That was pretty fun. Yeah. Also at eleven eleven for
Speaker 4: our time and you know that's it's a time you
Speaker 4: make a wish. So maybe that was Tip's squish to
Speaker 4: get a filthy rendition of a personal song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. You could.
Speaker 1: I mean, he might write a stage show about you
Speaker 1: ors even though he's not a right, he's a singer.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, mate, How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm extremely well. How are you mate?
Speaker 2: I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask the question I asked you
Speaker 1: first time around. Fuck it, let's just move on. Where
Speaker 1: are you today? What state slash suburb city area do
Speaker 1: we find you in?
Speaker 4: We find me in Hawthorne of Melbourne, Victoria.
Speaker 2: Oh cool? Is this where you're based? Down here?
Speaker 1: This is your permanent when you're not traveling the world
Speaker 1: singing to audiences.
Speaker 4: This is yeah, where I live with my partner, Georgia
Speaker 4: and her dog that is now my dog. I'm a
Speaker 4: step father. Although found dad Argo, who's a beautiful GSP
Speaker 4: German shorthead pointer and jeez, have you ever come across
Speaker 4: one of them?
Speaker 1: I have not, Yes, I think I have. Are they
Speaker 1: They kind of quite smart dogs?
Speaker 4: Extremely smart but very vocal so he joins me for
Speaker 4: more months. He's doing all that sort of sounds constantly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's really that he just wants food, he wants
Speaker 4: to go outside, he wants to have a bone, he
Speaker 4: wants to take a ship, and he communicates that with words.
Speaker 4: When you want to when.
Speaker 1: You want to take a ship, do you do similar
Speaker 1: to your partnerge.
Speaker 4: The titlet doors open? You don't have to task permission.
Speaker 1: Oh god, you missed your calling. Fuck musical theater, do comedy.
Speaker 4: Dude, Ah, sure, sure, I'll throw that in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I do want to go back
Speaker 1: a little bit because you said some beautiful stuff before
Speaker 1: we had our tech issues. So just I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: you're a singer, you're part of the ten Tenors, you're
Speaker 1: in West Side Story, Hairspray, Phantom of the Opera, Lame Is,
Speaker 1: And as I said to you before we went we went.
Speaker 2: Live, you're a big deal.
Speaker 1: I know you don't think you're a big deal, but
Speaker 1: tell us my audience a little bit about you personally
Speaker 1: and professionally to give us a bit of an insight
Speaker 1: into Josh Pitterman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when people ask, oh, yes, so who's Josh Pittman?
Speaker 4: I just hate reeling off my bio because it really
Speaker 4: doesn't sum me up. So yeah, I just sort of
Speaker 4: my values are that I'm intensely passionate. I'm a very
Speaker 4: affectionate person. I have a very big open heart. I'm
Speaker 4: a sensitive person, so lots of love and that's maybe
Speaker 4: why I chose to be on stage to share it
Speaker 4: and receive it. I am very very curious. I'm kind
Speaker 4: as much as I can possibly be kind, and truth teller,
Speaker 4: a storyteller, and I think that sort of that sort
Speaker 4: of sums me up. I'm very disciplined, very dedicated to
Speaker 4: what I want to create in the world. And yeah,
Speaker 4: so so storytelling is where I found myself. And whether
Speaker 4: that's on stage, you know, as the Phantom or John
Speaker 4: Valjohn and Lamers are, or whether that's writing, or whether
Speaker 4: that's singing concerts, or whether that's doing a podcast or
Speaker 4: whether whatever that is. I My purpose is to share
Speaker 4: stories and to give people an opportunity to really feel,
Speaker 4: you know, that the depths of humanity and that that
Speaker 4: comes that might be really hardship and uncomfortable feelings. So
Speaker 4: that might just be to have a laugh, but I
Speaker 4: want people to feel fully and I want to be
Speaker 4: a vehicle for that.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's beautiful, man, seriously, and thanks for being so real, real,
Speaker 1: honest and vol straight up.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm interested in So my background, which we haven't
Speaker 1: even spoken, but is in high performance in sport, in exercise,
Speaker 1: physiology and blah blah blah and working with teams and
Speaker 1: athletes and Victoria police and the military a bit. And
Speaker 1: so I'm really interested in high performance. But also part
Speaker 1: of that is discipline. And you spoke about you are
Speaker 1: very disciplined. What is the discipline that is required for
Speaker 1: you to be at the top of your game? What
Speaker 1: are some of the things that we might not think
Speaker 1: about that are required for you know, we all know
Speaker 1: it's more than get on stage and sing because you
Speaker 1: can sing. What's the ship We might not think about that,
Speaker 1: the jigsaw puzzle pieces that go into the excellence.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so great question. And I think if you're operating
Speaker 4: in high performance on any level, there are so many
Speaker 4: things that people don't see that a tribute to your success,
Speaker 4: no matter what the field. So for a musical theater
Speaker 4: performer who's doing eight shows a week, and I don't
Speaker 4: know any sport that does game day, eight times a week,
Speaker 4: Like it's ludicrous to go out there like that eight
Speaker 4: times a week. Sure you know what you're doing, And
Speaker 4: in sport, let's say you don't know what's necessarily coming
Speaker 4: at you, and you have to be a bit more
Speaker 4: spontaneous and reactive. But still to be able to perform
Speaker 4: at that high level in front of thousands of people
Speaker 4: that time, many times a week, requires a mental fortitude
Speaker 4: and resilience that's unlike many things. So you need to
Speaker 4: have your wits about you. In terms of dedicating to
Speaker 4: routine and routine for me, I'm going to go with
Speaker 4: what happens when I finish a show. So go out,
Speaker 4: finish a show, and I will have a cold shower
Speaker 4: and wash off that character. Especially when I was playing Phantom.
Speaker 4: Here's such a sort of dark, you know, miserable individual.
Speaker 4: By the end of it, he's so broken, he's so raw,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to carry that between the stage,
Speaker 4: my dressing room and the public who are greeting me
Speaker 4: at stage door. So a shower to wash that off,
Speaker 4: and that took me a while to work out that's
Speaker 4: what I needed, and a bit of a warm down
Speaker 4: in my dressing room vocally. So a warm down for
Speaker 4: me is, you know, you've gone up singing really high.
Speaker 4: You want to bring the voice back down to a
Speaker 4: human level speaking voice, So just humming back down to
Speaker 4: a normal sort of register. And then go and say
Speaker 4: today and thank all the people who supported me that
Speaker 4: night and give them the love that they deserve. Then
Speaker 4: I go home, and I first thing I do is
Speaker 4: I normally get a little wheat pack and I heat
Speaker 4: that up in the microwave, put it around my neck
Speaker 4: and I start. Then I boil the kettle, and I
Speaker 4: have a steamer that has a little straw in it
Speaker 4: that I then steam my voice for a good twenty minutes.
Speaker 4: Now normally watch some idiot TV like some Seinfeld or something,
Speaker 4: just something that's got nothing to do with dark, depressing,
Speaker 4: hard or shit. Then when I wake up, meditate probably
Speaker 4: the first thing I do when I wake up, and
Speaker 4: I don't always get that right. Sometimes I'm you know,
Speaker 4: hop onto an email or social media or whatever. But
Speaker 4: meditate with in the first half an hour of getting up,
Speaker 4: do some riding, you know, And then it's about what
Speaker 4: food goes in and how the body moves. So food
Speaker 4: plays a huge part in affecting what comes back up.
Speaker 4: We don't realize it, but everyone has little bits of
Speaker 4: acid reflux and this and that, and you want to
Speaker 4: protect that. As a singer, you don't want dairy or
Speaker 4: acidic foods and stuff that are going to get up
Speaker 4: and get in the way of you being able to
Speaker 4: sing properly. So I have a pretty clean diet when
Speaker 4: I'm performing that many times a week, do some exercise,
Speaker 4: whether that's yoga or a bit of gym, or just
Speaker 4: going for a walk and getting some sun or whatever.
Speaker 4: If it's a mattin a day, I'm in the theater
Speaker 4: by eleven thirty. If it's an evening performance, I'm in
Speaker 4: the theater by five o'clock and stretch, warm up again,
Speaker 4: sing again. I probably would have sung during the day
Speaker 4: once if it was a late show. Don't need to
Speaker 4: do that if there's two shows on the one day,
Speaker 4: and then get out there and do the whole thing
Speaker 4: again and then rewind. So it's what goes into my
Speaker 4: mouth vocally, warming out, physical warm up, mental preparation, writing
Speaker 4: with journaling, getting rid of any toxic thoughts that are
Speaker 4: in my head. And that's how you roll, and you
Speaker 4: do it over and over again, hundreds and hundreds and
Speaker 4: hundreds of times.
Speaker 1: That is I find that fascinating, Like what I I
Speaker 1: love the idea that and the awareness that you realize
Speaker 1: that playing a dark character like that psychological and emotional
Speaker 1: immersion that you need to go through has a physical consequence, right. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: your body doesn't know the difference between role playing or
Speaker 1: belief and what is. You know if you are truly
Speaker 1: committed to that character and you're opening some dark doors
Speaker 1: and you're going down some dark corridors, that that's going
Speaker 1: to show up on a cellular level.
Speaker 4: Up and for you to and it has and it right,
Speaker 4: and I've had to you know, when I first started
Speaker 4: playing Phantom, after about three months start to lose my voice.
Speaker 4: I was feeling really dark and depressed at times, and
Speaker 4: you know, my libido had totally gone, and I'm going,
Speaker 4: what the fuck is going on? And so I went
Speaker 4: to the MT and he's like, I don't think this
Speaker 4: is a vocal issue, mate, I think this is a
Speaker 4: psychological issue. Would you like to see someone? And I said, sure,
Speaker 4: I'm such an open book. I think you've got to
Speaker 4: go into as many conversations as you can with the
Speaker 4: feeling that your mind could be blown, or your mind
Speaker 4: or something could inform you in a way that you're
Speaker 4: not aware of. So I went and saw this psych
Speaker 4: life coach woman. Her name was Jake, And one of
Speaker 4: the first things we did was a bit of hypno,
Speaker 4: and she asked me what the nucleus of the character
Speaker 4: was of the phantom for me, and I said, oh,
Speaker 4: that's easy. It stems from an abandoned boy and that's
Speaker 4: my And she said, okay, like just gave me that laugh,
Speaker 4: like there's going to be something here. And we did
Speaker 4: a bit of hypno and she took me back to
Speaker 4: a time where I didn't even realize. It was after
Speaker 4: school care, and after schoolcare finishes at about five thirty
Speaker 4: or something or six o'clock, whatever it was. My parents
Speaker 4: were like forty five minutes late to pick me up,
Speaker 4: and it was just me there with the guy who
Speaker 4: runs out aftercare, sitting on a table looking out the
Speaker 4: window on the road, waiting for my mom and dad
Speaker 4: to picking up. And I couldn't have felt more abandoned
Speaker 4: or unlike in that in that moment, and that's what
Speaker 4: I was bringing up. And I cried and cried and
Speaker 4: cried the fuck out of that moment and released that
Speaker 4: finally after clearly decades, and I never had that same fatigue,
Speaker 4: libido problem, vocal issues like I was getting everything felt easy.
Speaker 4: I was struggling to do eight performances a week, and
Speaker 4: for the maintaining great rest of the season that I performed,
Speaker 4: I think I missed about three shows and it was
Speaker 4: because of the mental shit that was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we talk about this a lot on this show.
Speaker 1: You know that nothing operates in isolation. It's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's your body over there, and there's your emotions over there,
Speaker 1: and there's your mind over there, and you know, but
Speaker 1: in research and in medicine and health stuff, usually we
Speaker 1: look at things in isolation. Oh, Western medicine, it's an Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's an into a good point. It's an integrated system
Speaker 1: that's fucking great. And so in terms of figuring out,
Speaker 1: you know, your own protocol, like I finish and then
Speaker 1: I do I have my shower and it's a cold
Speaker 1: share And did you have any direction or help or
Speaker 1: mentoring on that or is that something that you figured
Speaker 1: out yourself.
Speaker 4: Some of it was myself and some of it was
Speaker 4: seeking out you know, the right gurus and I think
Speaker 4: we all need, you know, on the hero's journeys of
Speaker 4: our lives, we all meet a Yoda, or we all
Speaker 4: meet some multiple people who mentor you in a way.
Speaker 4: So when COVID hit, like i'd seen that woman Jake.
Speaker 4: But when COVID hit and I was sort of left,
Speaker 4: you know, searching a little bit because I was out
Speaker 4: of a job and I was playing the Phantom then
Speaker 4: in London and sort of going, you know, the rug
Speaker 4: was pulled under, so to speak. And you know, I
Speaker 4: wasn't alone. Every the artist was in the same position,
Speaker 4: but I felt like I hit a pinnacle and it
Speaker 4: was really shit after those six or seven months going
Speaker 4: to hell. So I wouldn't say go into the darkest hole,
Speaker 4: but I was certainly questioning a lot, and I knew
Speaker 4: there was a descent that needed to happen in some description.
Speaker 4: And so the two people I sought out was guy
Speaker 4: called Asher Pacman, who's a close man. He runs something
Speaker 4: called the Fifth Direction. If we've got north, south, east west,
Speaker 4: the fifth one is inwards and it's a men's program
Speaker 4: and it's fantastic and we did some really deep men's work.
Speaker 4: And the other person I saw it out well I
Speaker 4: got linked in with through a mutual friend was Ben Crow,
Speaker 4: who's a really well known mindset coach, And so I
Speaker 4: would say that Asher does the sole work and Ben
Speaker 4: does the mind work, and between the two of them,
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm probably somewhere in the middle doing the
Speaker 4: heart work. And they were instrumental in just guiding me
Speaker 4: and giving me tools and wisdoms that I then would
Speaker 4: run down the path of what they the path of
Speaker 4: that we was showing me, you know, or walk down it.
Speaker 4: But specific things like get into the cold shower. No,
Speaker 4: I've done plenty of cold therapy and whim Hoff stuff
Speaker 4: for many years. I went, well, I know what that
Speaker 4: shifts for me, Well, maybe you'll shift it after a show.
Speaker 4: But other specific things, they were instrumental those men.
Speaker 1: So I have a really big background working with athletes
Speaker 1: and teams, and a lot of them are very superstitious.
Speaker 2: Not a lot, but a percentage.
Speaker 1: I would say ten to twenty percent of athletes that
Speaker 1: I've worked with somewhere between a little bit superstitious and
Speaker 1: a lot like they have these non negotiable rituals and
Speaker 1: if you get in the way of those rituals, you're
Speaker 1: in trouble. What sort of things are Like, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so I worked at for years. I'll tell you who
Speaker 1: off air. So I worked at an AFL club for
Speaker 1: four years, and a bunch of other places, but the
Speaker 1: one very well known, famous, famous, famous player, one of
Speaker 1: the most top ten, most famous players in the history
Speaker 1: of the AFL. He had this bag that was so
Speaker 1: fucked it was falling apart. It's stunk. It was disgusting,
Speaker 1: and the club, obviously the club has got an endless
Speaker 1: supply of new sports bags. He wouldn't he wouldn't use
Speaker 1: any other bag. He would wear similar he'd wear the
Speaker 1: same socks till they were basically just four threads, like
Speaker 1: especially if he played a great game, then he would
Speaker 1: want to replicate whatever he did that week the next week.
Speaker 1: So a lot of them, a lot of them. And yeah, guys, girls,
Speaker 1: individual athletes, team athletes. But anyway, I was wondering if
Speaker 1: you have any either superstitions or kind of hard and
Speaker 1: fast protocols other than the you know, the obvious, the
Speaker 1: warming up and all of that, But is there anything
Speaker 1: else that you do that gets you in the right
Speaker 1: place space?
Speaker 4: No superstitions. I used to be a bit like that,
Speaker 4: and I worked out that you can confine things and
Speaker 4: confine and confine them, can fine them so hard that
Speaker 4: it actually gives you no scope for freedom.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 4: I'm sort of so what's the word academic in a
Speaker 4: way or analytical? Within my mind and have been for
Speaker 4: so many years that what I wanted to do was
Speaker 4: work out how to get out of my mind, not
Speaker 4: staying in it, and superstitions only add to the mind
Speaker 4: fuckery for me. So yes, I'm going how do I
Speaker 4: lead with from a soul point of view? How do
Speaker 4: I leave from a heart point of view? How do
Speaker 4: I do the technical work? And that's what I'm doing
Speaker 4: in preparation for the show, and that's all the technical work.
Speaker 4: And then you go, all right, accept as much as
Speaker 4: I've done except where I'm at, and go out and
Speaker 4: celebrate what I'm doing. And let's go out and share
Speaker 4: with the audience. And you know, I'm the tour guy.
Speaker 4: Go out and take them on a sick as fuck
Speaker 4: tour through the life of Jean Valjean or the Pantom's
Speaker 4: That's that's what I'm doing. It's got to be free
Speaker 4: within the confines of the direction of the show. So
Speaker 4: I don't make the super decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that makes sense because in some ways, if
Speaker 1: there are really hard, fast, non negotiable, emotion based rituals,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like you're building yourself in a prison,
Speaker 1: you know, or an addiction, because if the.
Speaker 2: Conditions aren't perfect, you're fucked.
Speaker 1: But in reality, you need to be adaptable and flexible, right,
Speaker 1: otherwise we all do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's physical things that are sort of non
Speaker 4: negotial For me, I do that that's serious of stretches.
Speaker 4: I do that series of warm ups and whatever, and
Speaker 4: also acknowledge that, you know, show six or seven of
Speaker 4: the week, my voice isn't going to feel the same
Speaker 4: as show one. Yeah, it's just not. It hasn't had
Speaker 4: a day off, and it's fucking tired, and it's just
Speaker 4: trying to get through. So yeah, there's got to be
Speaker 4: a lot of self compassion in this game too, of
Speaker 4: going you know what I'm and it's taken me a
Speaker 4: long time to learn it. Jean Valjean was a great
Speaker 4: role for learning it because it's so impossible to get
Speaker 4: it perfect that the idea of perfectionism took me a
Speaker 4: long time to leave my system as much as possible. Obviously,
Speaker 4: there's that inner critic that's always saying it be perfect,
Speaker 4: be perfect, your little bitch. But that's how he speaks.
Speaker 4: He's always got a very style American accent, and so
Speaker 4: just you know, allowing the compassionate side of myself to
Speaker 4: let them go. You know what, they don't know what
Speaker 4: you're perfec fifties out there. They they're going to accept
Speaker 4: your eighty percent or your seventy five percent if you
Speaker 4: can give one hundred percent of that seventy five or
Speaker 4: eighty percent, And that's what you've got to give. But
Speaker 4: that's what you've got to give. Like, that's it.
Speaker 1: Like either way, you're in a critic sounds like a
Speaker 1: gangster from a nineteen thirties movie.
Speaker 2: But it's fun. He'p be shit, do better, do better, better,
Speaker 2: get up? Fuck, you'll do it better.
Speaker 1: So you are also were in Cats, for which you
Speaker 1: won a Green Room Award. Congratulations made.
Speaker 4: I'm never doing that show again, never ever going to
Speaker 4: be in a onesie like or unitard ever again. We're
Speaker 4: just oh as much as fun as some things were.
Speaker 4: That's that show. Lee's is sweaty and stinky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about what did you do when you're wearing
Speaker 1: the licra the one piece and I'm disappointed you're not
Speaker 1: wearing it today.
Speaker 4: But so how did you do it?
Speaker 2: What did you do with the package?
Speaker 4: Uh? What package? Mate? Let's be honest, you know, like
Speaker 4: really did you just pack it all? So you wear
Speaker 4: dance you wear dance support, which is the nice way
Speaker 4: of saying you're wearing a g string that holds everything together?
Speaker 4: Does it?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 4: It does? It does enough? I mean, these things are
Speaker 4: worn in the ballet, and if they're worn in the ballet,
Speaker 4: you know the best, the best of keeping everything attack.
Speaker 4: So if they are when I'm running around being a
Speaker 4: cat then And honestly, as fun as it was, there
Speaker 4: were really fun times. There were times that you're literally
Speaker 4: on stage. There's one song where it's actually about dogs,
Speaker 4: and so you put like a big top giant shoe
Speaker 4: on your head and you're sort of doing things to
Speaker 4: make your cat like a dog because it's all based
Speaker 4: in a junkyard and you're just going, I'm a human
Speaker 4: getting paid to be dressed up as a cat. Who's
Speaker 4: been dressed up as a dog? What are you finding
Speaker 4: a dog? What is my Wednesday afternoon? Like? How did
Speaker 4: this become my Wednesday afternoon?
Speaker 2: Or even better, people pay me for this. This is
Speaker 2: fucking great.
Speaker 4: Maybe, and then you do get hit with that you're like,
Speaker 4: what am I doing? Oh tomorrow is Thursday? That's pay day?
Speaker 4: But there were times was awesome and I did win
Speaker 4: an award for it, and it was because you know, really,
Speaker 4: Cats for me is like, yes, it's got some sort
Speaker 4: of storyline, but it's I sort of treat it as
Speaker 4: like cats doing idol, like pop idol or Australian idol,
Speaker 4: and they're all just going out there with their best song,
Speaker 4: right or what they've gotten. So my character sort of
Speaker 4: had twenty minutes at the top of act two is
Speaker 4: actually the oldest cat there. So for the rest of
Speaker 4: it I was in the ensemble, and then at the
Speaker 4: interval I turned into this sort of old cat and
Speaker 4: they remake up me, and so do all my old acting,
Speaker 4: and I love doing that. I love transforming into interesting characters.
Speaker 4: And he was a cat who wanted to be I mean,
Speaker 4: it's a human who wanted to be a star in
Speaker 4: the theater and sort of regales about all his wonderful
Speaker 4: things he's done, but he's really never made it. And
Speaker 4: it's those people who who tell you about you know,
Speaker 4: Regale for half an hour about you know, the Frankston
Speaker 4: art Player's version of My Fair Lady where they played
Speaker 4: Henry Higgins and you know, so it's that sort of
Speaker 4: thing and he could have been the greatest of all
Speaker 4: time and that that sort of thing. But it's it's
Speaker 4: Ian McKellen, who's a famous British actor. Played it as
Speaker 4: in No Show, not Bush as in Gandolf. Yes play
Speaker 4: he played in the movie. And it's a beautiful role
Speaker 4: to play, a really beautiful role to play. So I enjoyed.
Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that part of it, Yeah, because it
Speaker 4: was so transformative, Like I was twenty nine when I
Speaker 4: did it, so to player that sort of eyeing old
Speaker 4: man effectively was beautiful.
Speaker 2: If have you ever seen it?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I'm homework now.
Speaker 1: I reckon You and I might be the only two
Speaker 1: people in Australia. Everyone I know has seen it, so
Speaker 1: you and I are shit.
Speaker 4: It is amazing, Like to watch the physical form of
Speaker 4: a human being transform into a cat and then dance
Speaker 4: like that. It's sort of amazing, But then you're going,
Speaker 4: what the hell is going on up there? As well?
Speaker 4: Because it sort of the sense of plot is sort
Speaker 4: of mysterious, and really it comes down to like pop
Speaker 4: idol song choice and the one who's and sob story.
Speaker 4: So the one who's got the darkest, hardest past also
Speaker 4: has the best song and she wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and winning.
Speaker 4: Means you go up to what's called the heavy side layer,
Speaker 4: which is where a cat gets another life, you know,
Speaker 4: the whole nine life thing. Somewhere. There's a plot, but
Speaker 4: it's pretty it's pretty loose. I don't know. Andreloid Webber,
Speaker 4: they were all on one. I'm reckon when they were
Speaker 4: doing that.
Speaker 2: Can you dance?
Speaker 4: Bro? I've trained that out of myself. No, I was
Speaker 4: never a great dancer, let's be honest. I've had to
Speaker 4: in different things. Cats a little bit. I've had to
Speaker 4: tap a little bit. But singing and acting were my
Speaker 4: things at college and and dancing was always a third.
Speaker 4: And you know, you work it up physically, you work
Speaker 4: up your flexibility. Some of it has learnt skill with
Speaker 4: a bit of innate movement. I don't know, but I
Speaker 4: wasn't never a dancer. Can you dance?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's probably my best thing. Yeah yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: Hips don't yeah, hips don't lie?
Speaker 2: I mean me and Curry. You know, just so we've
Speaker 2: got you've got.
Speaker 4: The terms, Tiff, what about you?
Speaker 3: No, no, only in the boxing ring, mate, I dance
Speaker 3: in the boxing ring that is.
Speaker 4: Eat yeah, yeah, like a butterfly. Well that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but you've got to be sort of like I think so.
Speaker 3: I thought so. And once I went and did hip
Speaker 3: hop Class's absolute beginner, and within four steps of instruction,
Speaker 3: I was seeding at the back, not moving and just
Speaker 3: so angry that even the instructor want to make eye
Speaker 3: contact with me. So it didn't translate, okay, like doing
Speaker 3: the like create the box and then duck under it
Speaker 3: side of thing.
Speaker 2: I have a theory.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to somebody about this recently because
Speaker 1: the new Dancing with the Stars in Melbourne, I guess
Speaker 1: around Australia is coming on and Ben Cousins and another
Speaker 1: Ben Cousins ex West Coast Eagle footballer and Richmond Football
Speaker 1: Club fuller footballer, Brownlie medalist, fucking superstar and another football
Speaker 1: whose name escares me. But I was talking to someone
Speaker 1: and they went out that'll probably be great, you know,
Speaker 1: because I go, No, it's funny, how like Tiff is
Speaker 1: very coordinated as a boxer, very coordinated, skilled, power, speed
Speaker 1: of jill, the coordination balance, but how much that doesn't
Speaker 1: translate to our dance, Like there are so many athletes
Speaker 1: who are fucking horrible dancers because they can't feel the music.
Speaker 2: And it's a different kind of movement.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, because there's art in it, and that's the
Speaker 4: missing that you can have all the athletic profile, but
Speaker 4: it's actually the artistry and feeling music and that there's
Speaker 4: a lot of isolation that's technical to dancing like you are.
Speaker 4: You know, you look at popping and moping guys and
Speaker 4: they're all isolating stuff, but when you're dancing jazz and like,
Speaker 4: it's just another craft altogether, so it doesn't translate. And
Speaker 4: so like you look at a male ballet dancer or
Speaker 4: a ballerina and they are so flexible and they can
Speaker 4: jump so high, but that doesn't mean they're going to
Speaker 4: take mark of the year. You know, Like there's a
Speaker 4: whole other craft there, so you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's very sports slash art slash skills specifics. I get, Hey,
Speaker 2: speaking of cats, did you ever see that this is
Speaker 2: going to seem like a stretch at first? But I'll
Speaker 2: bring it back.
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that Ted talk by Sir Ken
Speaker 1: Robertson Robinson called our schools killing creativity?
Speaker 2: Did you ever see that talk?
Speaker 4: No? But they are at times.
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to throw schools or teachers under
Speaker 1: the bus. But anyway, there was this brilliant talk. It's
Speaker 1: one of the most watched fewed Sir Ken Robinson, who
Speaker 1: was a British academic, brilliant but also funny as fuck,
Speaker 1: which is rare for an academic. Anyway, he did that
Speaker 1: talk and in that talk he told this story about
Speaker 1: Gillian Lynn, who you know.
Speaker 2: Who that is?
Speaker 4: Yea, she was our choreographer, that's right, So the genius
Speaker 4: like that coat.
Speaker 2: So they spoke.
Speaker 1: He told this story about how when she was a
Speaker 1: young girl, the parents were called in. The teachers called
Speaker 1: the parents in, and this like specialist because they thought
Speaker 1: that their daughter. They thought that this student. So the parents'
Speaker 1: daughter was kind of special needs for one of a
Speaker 1: better term intellectually handicapped. And they sat down they're all talking,
Speaker 1: and the guy who was like the specialist, ed specialist
Speaker 1: or whatever, he said, do you mind if we all
Speaker 1: get out of this room. So they got out of
Speaker 1: the room and he put on what was then the radio,
Speaker 1: and he just put on some music which was in
Speaker 1: this office, and they all got out into the hallway
Speaker 1: or that, yeah, and they could see through the window.
Speaker 2: And as soon as they got.
Speaker 1: Out and they were talking in the hallway, Jillian Lynn
Speaker 1: got out of the chest. She's like five or six
Speaker 1: years old, and she started dancing, and the special ads
Speaker 1: guy said, she's not handicapped. She's a dancer, right, And
Speaker 1: that was like, so even though she was academically challenged
Speaker 1: in some ways, or she didn't have that kind of
Speaker 1: not that she was clearly not that she was lacking intelligence,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't. She didn't excel at that, but obviously
Speaker 1: she ended up being not only was she not handicapped,
Speaker 1: she was literally a genius who did some incredible shit.
Speaker 1: How amazing is that story.
Speaker 4: That's a beautiful story. And I know that story very
Speaker 4: very well, so smiling all the way through it because
Speaker 4: having you tell it is really special, because I know
Speaker 4: that's not a story that's mainstream. It's also not a
Speaker 4: story that sits in the world of sports and high
Speaker 4: performance sport a lot. But the fact that you've done
Speaker 4: some research and found that story, I love that and
Speaker 4: It makes me think of that great Einstein couoe that
Speaker 4: I'll paraphrase, which is that everyone's a genius, but if
Speaker 4: you're trying to a pitch of goldfish how to climb trees,
Speaker 4: it'll spend its whole life thinking it's a full And
Speaker 4: we don't have a system that is about exploring the
Speaker 4: unique gift or the unique get genius withinside a young
Speaker 4: person and then helping them expand that unique gift or
Speaker 4: that genius. That's not the system. The system, although it's
Speaker 4: getting better, and I've spoken to different principles of different
Speaker 4: colleges or whatever in the recent recent past, you know,
Speaker 4: we still have a system that says that there's four
Speaker 4: digits at the end of year twelve that you need
Speaker 4: to try and get the highest ones, and that's that's it.
Speaker 4: And subjects like theater or drama or dance are actually
Speaker 4: marked down. They're saying, hey, you know they're easy, so
Speaker 4: we're going to mark them down. But you try and
Speaker 4: get that physics specialist, maths major person you know reciting
Speaker 4: in Shakespeare in monol or doing a jazz ballet routine.
Speaker 4: They don't know how to do it, so yes, like
Speaker 4: and similarly that ballet dancer. That beautiful actor may not,
Speaker 4: you know, be able to land that physics equation, but
Speaker 4: that's it doesn't make them smarter or dumb. It just
Speaker 4: makes them unique and different. We should be exploring that
Speaker 4: uniqueness within every individual and trying to expand that as
Speaker 4: much as possible. But you know, yeah, or whatever, the
Speaker 4: system doesn't like it, Does it create lemmings? Does it? No?
Speaker 2: Definitely not, definitely not.
Speaker 1: I put up a post recently you like this on
Speaker 1: on Instagram and there's a couple of slides. First slide
Speaker 1: is what are the following people have in common?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Richard Brandtson, Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg,
Speaker 1: Orlando Bloom, Jamie Oliver, Pablo Picasso, Sr. Salmahayak, John Lennon.
Speaker 1: What do you reckon they all have in common?
Speaker 4: I reckon that they all didn't finish fun of your school.
Speaker 2: They're all dyslexic, all dyslexic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how wonderful, how amazing, how wonderful?
Speaker 2: And listen to this, Josh.
Speaker 1: In an attempt to learn more about the minds of millionaires,
Speaker 1: a team of psychologists and business experts spend a day
Speaker 1: testing a group of entrepreneurial millionaires. They were put through
Speaker 1: a series of tests, and forty percent of the three
Speaker 1: hundred millionaires who participated in the comprehensive study had been
Speaker 1: diagnosed with dyslexia.
Speaker 2: That's like, in other words, if you.
Speaker 1: Want to succeed hocking, be dyslexic, you're actually smarter, not dumber.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we confine those people into a certain philosophy
Speaker 4: about how we feel or think, and we treat them
Speaker 4: in a certain way as we do. You know, people
Speaker 4: of all sort of neurodiverse I don't call them issues
Speaker 4: standing and I mean, yeah, I just think we've got
Speaker 4: so far to go as a as a human species,
Speaker 4: so far to go.
Speaker 1: I think we're getting better, We're getting better. But I'm
Speaker 1: with you, and it's like understanding that I think. Like
Speaker 1: I was doing a gig recently and someone asked me about,
Speaker 1: you know, essentially about intelligence, and I said, intelligence isn't
Speaker 1: a thing. It's many things, and it's context. You put
Speaker 1: me in some rooms, I'm pretty smart, you put me
Speaker 1: in other rooms. I'm a fucking idiot, right.
Speaker 4: You know all of us?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you get me to try and do certain
Speaker 1: tasks or skills.
Speaker 2: I'm a one out of ten.
Speaker 1: Right, you get somebody with an IQ of three hundred,
Speaker 1: which doesn't he let's say an IQ of one p
Speaker 1: fifty to try and have an organic conversation on a
Speaker 1: podcast with a stranger, they might really struggle.
Speaker 2: They might not, but a lot might. You know, when I.
Speaker 1: First started my PhD, trying to read an academic paper,
Speaker 1: it was like reading fucking German, Russian and something like.
Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on. But I'm
Speaker 1: not dumb, but I just couldn't do it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who writes like this? This is fucking incomprehensible. But three, four,
Speaker 1: five years down the track, you're like, okay, you just
Speaker 1: learn another language.
Speaker 2: But many times in my life I've felt like a
Speaker 2: fucking idiot.
Speaker 4: And there's only times we felt like an absolute genius.
Speaker 4: How far into your PhDa or you've done?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, no, I've got about six months to go so
Speaker 1: this doctor, Oh yeah, doctor Fatty Harps, So November one
Speaker 1: will be five years.
Speaker 4: Wow, I'm about six, I think, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It takes a while. It depends what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing neuropsychology, so it's not like I'm doing a
Speaker 1: PhD in sampit or plasticcene.
Speaker 2: So there's a bit of work in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, now that that is super super interesting. What
Speaker 4: is the part of neuropsychology and just neuroscience in a
Speaker 4: way that interests you the most? Like what is it
Speaker 4: about the human mind and how that plays out that
Speaker 4: interests you the most?
Speaker 1: So many things, but you know, and I apologize to
Speaker 1: my listeners. I get a few listeners, go fact, stop
Speaker 1: talking about the same shit. But it's hard when you
Speaker 1: have a conversation with a new person who doesn't know you.
Speaker 1: But for me, understanding the potential, possibility and powers of
Speaker 1: our power of our mind and realizing that your mind
Speaker 1: is essentially your operational headquarters, like it's u HQ and
Speaker 1: your mind is the filter through which you view, understand
Speaker 1: and process the world. Right, So you know, you, me
Speaker 1: and Tiff are in the same podcast at the same time,
Speaker 1: but we're not in the same experience. So I'm interested
Speaker 1: in where does that experience come from. Is it possible
Speaker 1: that Josh is having a good time, TIFFs having a
Speaker 1: bad time, and Craig somewhere in the middle, And the
Speaker 1: answer is yes, And then it's like, what is that about?
Speaker 1: So understanding the mind and understanding not just that mind,
Speaker 1: but my mind in comparison to yours or TIFFs. And
Speaker 1: then so my PhD is on a thing called metaperception,
Speaker 1: which is really my ability to understand how you experience
Speaker 1: me in real time. So that's the question at the
Speaker 1: core of my research is what's the Craig experience like
Speaker 1: for Josh or Tiff or my audience. And if you
Speaker 1: wind that back one level, then you go, what's the
Speaker 1: Josh experience like me trying to understand your version of
Speaker 1: right now? So that's called theory of mind. Now, if
Speaker 1: I can understand or at least have an insight into
Speaker 1: your in the moment, right now experience, that is a
Speaker 1: kind of social emotional awareness intelligence. If I can understand you,
Speaker 1: then I can connect with you. I can develop rapport
Speaker 1: and trust and respect with you because I get you.
Speaker 1: But if I've got a high IQ but a low
Speaker 1: social and or emotional intelligence, I might be saying things
Speaker 1: that are technically true while creating more disconnection than connection
Speaker 1: with you and not even knowing it exactly.
Speaker 4: And so how much do you feel of that connection
Speaker 4: is pure mind related and how much of it is
Speaker 4: for want of a better term beyond the space in
Speaker 4: which the mind lives. And I'll give you a sort
Speaker 4: of indigenous Australian expression is that we actually have three brains,
Speaker 4: and that's down here in the gut the brain of intuition. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And here in the heart the brain of passion and
Speaker 4: an emotional biplane of love and whatever, and here the
Speaker 4: brain of analysis. And how much is that capacity being
Speaker 4: able to tap into those different parts because we don't,
Speaker 4: you know, we don't say things like I love them
Speaker 4: with all my heart or I had a gut feeling
Speaker 4: without that stemming from an actual Like those cliche phrases
Speaker 4: a cliche for a reason, they stem from a certain
Speaker 4: level of truth in a paradigm that people might understand
Speaker 4: if they're willing to understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the end, well, I don't know. I can't give
Speaker 1: you a percentage, but I'm with you. I think that
Speaker 1: that intelligence lives not only in the heart and the
Speaker 1: gut bio microbiome and of course the mind slash brain,
Speaker 1: but our body is its own form of intelligent So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a really great question because sometimes that you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes our thinking is the gift and sometimes our thinking
Speaker 1: is the problem. Right, So you can think yourself into
Speaker 1: better health. Literally, there's vast research on place ebos. You
Speaker 1: can also think yourself into immune systems suppression and illness.
Speaker 1: In fact, funny you bring this up because I'm doing
Speaker 1: a podcast on it soon. But you know, like, think
Speaker 1: about this the moment that you have a negative thought.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're thinking something bad, but the bad thing
Speaker 1: that you're thinking isn't actually going to happen, and so
Speaker 1: it's not true. It's just a construct of your mind,
Speaker 1: but you're thinking about it. So your mind is there. Now,
Speaker 1: your emotions are there because you're feeling fear and anxiety,
Speaker 1: and now your body is there right, so now it's
Speaker 1: a full kind of Josh experience that self created. That also,
Speaker 1: by the way, is unnecessary because now there is no
Speaker 1: threat danger and your safe, but your body doesn't know that,
Speaker 1: so your body will produce qurtizole, adrenaline, bunch of other things.
Speaker 1: Quartzole is what we call a catabolic hormone, not an
Speaker 1: anabolic hormone. It breaks things down, so it creates inflammation,
Speaker 1: It destroys muscle over time, it suppresses immune system function,
Speaker 1: it impacts cognition. Now all now this is just one
Speaker 1: little component. This is just one fucking factor. So for me,
Speaker 1: and I've still got mail plates on despite the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm five years into a PhD. Of all there
Speaker 1: is to know, You know, if the ocean is the knowledge,
Speaker 1: then I understand a drop of water, right, But fucking
Speaker 1: fascinated with essentially what you just asked. And the truth is,
Speaker 1: nobody in the world really knows. Like we have insights
Speaker 1: and snicklets, but to go, it's this much this, and
Speaker 1: that's that much that. But and there's also that you
Speaker 1: know what what like think about? And I know we're digressing,
Speaker 1: and I'll shut up after this, but I think you'll
Speaker 1: be on board. How the fuck do dogs know how
Speaker 1: to do the shit they do? And cats? And like,
Speaker 1: it's not like anyone taught them. You know, when a
Speaker 1: dog's sick it goes and finds certain stuff or a cat?
Speaker 1: Is that a cat or a dog?
Speaker 4: I should know. I did the fucking musical.
Speaker 1: But animals, animals do stuff that instinctively they just know
Speaker 1: to do right. So it's not like they thought critically.
Speaker 1: They made a decision, they did some research and they
Speaker 1: arrived at this conclusion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, your dog will smell your cancer before you even
Speaker 4: know you had hun't upset.
Speaker 1: And so I believe that humans are animals. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: slightly more evolved, maybe maybe not, maybe not. I think
Speaker 1: octopus and fucking dolphins have got us covered, and dogs.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we think we're the smartest species. I'll put
Speaker 1: an asterisk there. But I also think that over the
Speaker 1: last one hundred or two hundred years, we have really
Speaker 1: disconnected from that innate wisdom. Yes, and we're too intellectual
Speaker 1: and not instinctive and organic enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that has a lot to do with what
Speaker 4: I'm talking about earlier, about the education systems, about applauding
Speaker 4: or beatifying one variance of intelligence and diminishing another, and
Speaker 4: going to all sorts of reasons why. But I think
Speaker 4: that's a big part of it, because as an artist,
Speaker 4: I am, as I said earlier, I'm constantly trying to
Speaker 4: get out of here because I don't need the analysis.
Speaker 4: The analysis and the technical work is done. Now let
Speaker 4: go of that and lead with the heart, or lead
Speaker 4: with the gut instinct, or lead from a soul place,
Speaker 4: or go into the depths of the feelings of the banker,
Speaker 4: feelings and emotions and experiences I've had and recreate a
Speaker 4: version of them to enable another to feel. That doesn't
Speaker 4: require me to analyze, that just requires me to be
Speaker 4: open and free enough to let that out. On your
Speaker 4: conversation about the catastrophic nature of the mind and how
Speaker 4: that produces cortisol and whatever, this is certainly something I'd
Speaker 4: experienced a lot, and why I started meditating ten years
Speaker 4: ago was really to sort of help me with my
Speaker 4: incessant anxiety. But what I realized was that, hold up,
Speaker 4: I've just got so much power here if I learn
Speaker 4: the art of sitting in my awareness or consciousness or
Speaker 4: whatever it is and being able to see those thoughts
Speaker 4: play out like a movie in front of me and go,
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't need to go down that path.
Speaker 4: I can stop that that thought might come out, because
Speaker 4: I've got fucking sixty thousand of them a day. But
Speaker 4: how where I choose to take that or what path
Speaker 4: I choose to go down, is actually up to me.
Speaker 4: Like my awareness is my home, and any thoughts, feelings, emotions,
Speaker 4: or whatever are just visitors that come and then I
Speaker 4: get to kick them out when I want to kick
Speaker 4: him out. They don't have to stay overnight. So that's
Speaker 4: so that is something. That's why I am such a
Speaker 4: big advocate for people meditating and people going I'm doing
Speaker 4: breath work insteand I'm like, sure that breath work is
Speaker 4: might have a more immediate effect, but we have a
Speaker 4: society obsessed with immediacy. Meditation is a discipline and a practice,
Speaker 4: and it's a practice to expanding your sense of self
Speaker 4: awareness and that once you've and that's unending, but once
Speaker 4: you have a capacity to sit in that space, that
Speaker 4: need for that breath work to shift that thing really
Speaker 4: quickly may not be there as much because you actually
Speaker 4: didn't get to a space where you were so unnecessarily
Speaker 4: anxious about shit that didn't you didn't need to be
Speaker 4: anxious about because it was just a project of your
Speaker 4: future negative self.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So for meditation. The other thing I want to discuss,
Speaker 4: because you know, I'm really into the topic you're talking
Speaker 4: about about this different experience that we had, is the
Speaker 4: idea of coalescence or symbiosis or the shared experience that
Speaker 4: we're all having, Like, could you talk a bit about that.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to pick your brain because I think
Speaker 4: it's interesting. Well, I mean, there's the there's a oneness too,
Speaker 4: there must be a oneness in the separation. There must
Speaker 4: be a juxtaposition to the separation.
Speaker 1: Well even right now we us three are not in
Speaker 1: the same place, but there's an energetic commonality.
Speaker 2: There's an energetic.
Speaker 1: Exchange, right, So there's separation, but there's there's inclusion. And
Speaker 1: separation is like a mirage really, you know, because we
Speaker 1: think things are all physical. So there's stuff happening, you know,
Speaker 1: and and stuff is, but it isn't, you know, So
Speaker 1: there's this It can be a deep level of psychological, sociological, emotional,
Speaker 1: and energetic connection even when people.
Speaker 2: Are not in the same place.
Speaker 4: You know, and people or people and.
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe people in nature. I believe people
Speaker 1: and animals. I truly believe that, and.
Speaker 4: The like we are, I mean, we are nature, but
Speaker 4: society has taught us that we're separate from but we
Speaker 4: are nature like because.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to go to nature because you
Speaker 1: are nature, but you can, you can go back to
Speaker 1: where you're from.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's like we all end.
Speaker 1: Up in the ground, and we all end up becoming
Speaker 1: the fucking ground.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: You put me in a box in the ground, and
Speaker 1: you come back in one hundred years, I will be
Speaker 1: the ground.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a circle and a cycle.
Speaker 1: But you know, you think about this, like somebody like Tiff,
Speaker 1: I love dogs. Tiff loves dogs. You love dogs. We
Speaker 1: know that if you are a dog lover and you
Speaker 1: lie on the floor with your dog, that is doing
Speaker 1: good things to your body. You don't even have to
Speaker 1: think about it. You don't even have to be strategic
Speaker 1: about it. You don't even have to know that it's
Speaker 1: going on or understand it. But it's actually producing biochemical
Speaker 1: changes in your body that are good for your brain,
Speaker 1: good for your heart, good for your immune system. And
Speaker 1: it's also good for the dog because the dog loves you. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's all this awesome shit happening all the time.
Speaker 1: But so too we need to be and this is
Speaker 1: the self awareness piece. So somebody who hates dogs who
Speaker 1: does the same thing will have a negative physiological consequence.
Speaker 1: So like, for example, I've been riding motorbikes since I
Speaker 1: was five. I've never stopped. I have four motorbikes I ride.
Speaker 1: Most of my communing is on a bike. I can
Speaker 1: be on the front of a motorbike having the best time,
Speaker 1: and my body is in a good state biochemically, and
Speaker 1: I'm producing dopamine and all these great fucking things. Somebody
Speaker 1: who is on the back for the first time, So
Speaker 1: same bike, same day, same trip, but having the worst
Speaker 1: experience literally of all time. But it's not about the
Speaker 1: bike or the trip, or it's about what that represents
Speaker 1: to you. It's about your thinking about that. It's about
Speaker 1: your interaction. It's about that interaction between you and that stimulus.
Speaker 1: You know, an idea that the next level, you should
Speaker 1: do it this.
Speaker 4: Way, or you should do it you know what, you
Speaker 4: know what would work for you doing it? Like doing
Speaker 4: it basically say doing what I do.
Speaker 2: It's never right, that's that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean if you took if you said to me
Speaker 1: and Tiff, because we're quite similar, Hey, I'm going to
Speaker 1: take you guys through a ten minutes meditation, she'd be
Speaker 1: punching you in the face at about two minutes.
Speaker 2: Hey, and all that.
Speaker 3: I'm under weekly meditations, bro, and tonight is the night.
Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot. But until recently you couldn't cope.
Speaker 3: Right, I do struggle. I need to be, but I
Speaker 3: need to be in that shared environment brings you back
Speaker 3: to what Josh said before, there's an energy inside that
Speaker 3: room when everybody's in that and I access that really deeply.
Speaker 1: Will you come back, yeah, because we've got to wind up.
Speaker 1: But I don't want to wind up.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I got two hours left with you.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know. Maybe we just need to hang out,
Speaker 4: or we can flip it and you can come on
Speaker 4: my potty.
Speaker 1: Well I wanted to plug because you've got a potty,
Speaker 1: a new one, brand new everyone called behind the mask. Yep,
Speaker 1: So tune into that, subscribe to that, give him a
Speaker 1: little bit of love, give him some support. Will you
Speaker 1: have forgot guys? Exactly three listeners, give him that chop out.
Speaker 4: Deep dive deep dive chats like this. But basically there's
Speaker 4: always a two on one experience. So two people from
Speaker 4: the sack to what we're talking about now, two people
Speaker 4: from the same field with that's sports, arts, politics, journalism,
Speaker 4: whatever it is, who have a very different experience or
Speaker 4: have very different experience of living in that field and
Speaker 4: what's behind the mask that they project out into the
Speaker 4: world of their careers and what's actually going on inside
Speaker 4: of inside of them. So there's probably similarities between what
Speaker 4: we're on the past that we've gone down today and
Speaker 4: some of the stuff are behind the mask. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: love that?
Speaker 2: All right? How can people find you? Follow you, connect
Speaker 2: with you my friend?
Speaker 4: Yeah, at Josh Pittman on Instagram is the easiest place.
Speaker 4: One T and one N in Pittman and you can
Speaker 4: listen to all sorts of songs and some any links
Speaker 4: and stuff to behind the Mask are also in there.
Speaker 4: So I reckon that's the easiest place. Wowyan you so
Speaker 4: much for having me on. What a fucking great chat?
Speaker 2: Hey make Can we be friends?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You're in Melbourne, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 4: I think we need to have a lunch mate. I
Speaker 4: feel like it's only a again, what's that Conway's?
Speaker 2: Is that Chrissy Vines or I don't know who the
Speaker 2: fuck that is?
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, this is the start of something
Speaker 1: beautiful and Tiff you need to get him on your
Speaker 1: show as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and quickly.
Speaker 4: Can we thank mister Tommy Jacket for bringing us all
Speaker 4: together and jackim Bug because great people bring people together
Speaker 4: and Tommy is such a great connector and a beautiful
Speaker 4: man and a great dad and so thanks.
Speaker 1: Tommy, Thanks thanks Jack. A good point mate, that's an
Speaker 1: oversight on my part. He's my adopted son, Tommy as
Speaker 1: I've been negligent. So thank god you're here. We love
Speaker 1: you too, Jay Mate, Well say goodbye a fair but
Speaker 1: for moment, for the moment, you're a superstar. Thanks for
Speaker 1: being on the You project.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. You're a superstar
Speaker 4: as our utif. Sorry once again about talking about just
Speaker 4: the stiff.
Speaker 2: Part, straight up, straight up into the dick jokes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrible,