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Speaker 1: I got a grouvers Craig, Anthony Hearper, Tiffany and Cook, Josh, Brian, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Pittman.

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Speaker 2: Tif Cookie. This is I'm feeling a bit of deja

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Speaker 2: vous right now.

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Speaker 3: Feels what we've been here before, doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I feel, I don't know, there's a familiarity about this

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Speaker 4: Did I dream this last night? Guys? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You did? You did? Josh?

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Speaker 1: Why do we all? Have we been in the matrix?

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Speaker 1: Are we coming out? What the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 4: Hey, I'm sorry for sending you guys that macro doos

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Speaker 4: of mushrooms in the mail. They really trip things out

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Speaker 4: a bit.

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Speaker 1: Well, if a little bit of psilocybin and LSD is

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Speaker 1: a great way.

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Speaker 2: To get the get the show started.

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Speaker 1: Now if you're wondering what the fuck we're talking about? Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Josh and Tiff and I started about five minutes ago

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Speaker 1: and we had.

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Speaker 2: A few tech issues.

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Speaker 1: So this is take two and hopefully it's the last

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Speaker 1: take before we talk to Josh officially.

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Speaker 2: Tiff Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Harps.

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Speaker 1: Again, you've been up since the crack of Sparrow's fart.

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Speaker 1: You told us first time around, what were you doing

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Speaker 3: I'm all ways up early, up really yelling at people

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Speaker 3: and making them live their best lives.

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Speaker 2: Mm and punching them in the face with love.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, precisely.

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Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of nothing to our well, hunters and collectors,

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Speaker 1: Mark Seymour's hunters, collectors, who's hunters and collectors? Who's just

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Speaker 1: Mark Seymour?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: For those who've been living under rock. His new album

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Speaker 1: is called The Boxer. The Boxer on the front of

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Speaker 1: the album is our very own Tiffany and Cook Who's

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Speaker 1: who's been very shy and quiet about that?

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Speaker 2: Is the album selling? And how is your star pupil mate?

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Speaker 3: It is selling like hotcakes. I'm trying to find They

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Speaker 3: put up a post the other day and I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to find what it says. There was a quote on it.

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Speaker 3: Let me see, Well, here we go, ready. The Boxer

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Speaker 3: is a fight for love and the finest music of

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Speaker 3: Seymour's career. And that was written in Stack magazine, just

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Speaker 3: saying the finest record of his career.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that's because the title song was

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Speaker 1: about you?

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Speaker 3: Most definitely? Could there be any other reason?

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Speaker 1: Well, Josh, I think you need to write a song

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Speaker 1: about tip. I think that's the take home message here.

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Speaker 5: Oh mate, I could rifferbout it. I could just get it.

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Speaker 2: There's our promo, there's our promo, You're.

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Speaker 4: Welcome promo classic.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, where's is all mine?

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Speaker 4: Josh?

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, that's gone.

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Speaker 4: It's a boxing thing I should have gone with. Have

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Speaker 4: a Bissosh, Why why the dick?

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Speaker 2: Joe's terrible, straight up, straight up.

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Speaker 4: Awful.

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Speaker 1: People would be like, remember that the moment that Josh

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Speaker 1: kind of tumbled into obscurity, Remember that when his career

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Speaker 1: project or some yeah. Yeah, when he said that that

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Speaker 1: horrible thing to that woman who fucking loved it and

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Speaker 1: then used it on her socials as a primer.

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Speaker 2: That definitely is going to be on her Instagram and

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Speaker 4: Oh god, it's going to go viral. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: go viraly downhill. Yeah. Anyway, if that was terrible, that

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Speaker 4: was my worst songwriting. That's that's what happens when you

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Speaker 1: Do you know what, mate, if we're not allowed to

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Speaker 2: And that was having fun.

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Speaker 4: That was pretty fun. Yeah. Also at eleven eleven for

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Speaker 4: our time and you know that's it's a time you

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Speaker 4: make a wish. So maybe that was Tip's squish to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there it is. You could.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he might write a stage show about you

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, mate, How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm extremely well. How are you mate?

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask the question I asked you

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Speaker 1: first time around. Fuck it, let's just move on. Where

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Speaker 4: We find me in Hawthorne of Melbourne, Victoria.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool? Is this where you're based? Down here?

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Speaker 1: This is your permanent when you're not traveling the world

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Speaker 4: This is yeah, where I live with my partner, Georgia

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Speaker 4: When you want to when.

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Speaker 1: You want to take a ship, do you do similar

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Speaker 4: The titlet doors open? You don't have to task permission.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, you missed your calling. Fuck musical theater, do comedy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I do want to go back

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Speaker 1: in West Side Story, Hairspray, Phantom of the Opera, Lame Is,

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Speaker 1: And as I said to you before we went we went.

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Speaker 2: Live, you're a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I know you don't think you're a big deal, but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when people ask, oh, yes, so who's Josh Pittman?

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Speaker 4: I just hate reeling off my bio because it really

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's beautiful, man, seriously, and thanks for being so real, real,

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Speaker 2: It's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm interested in So my background, which we haven't

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Speaker 2: But it's fun. He'p be shit, do better, do better, better,

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Speaker 4: I'm never doing that show again, never ever going to

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Speaker 4: dance you wear dance support, which is the nice way

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Speaker 4: of saying you're wearing a g string that holds everything together?

437
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 4: Does it?

438
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: Though?

439
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,719
Speaker 4: It does? It does enough? I mean, these things are

440
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 4: worn in the ballet, and if they're worn in the ballet,

441
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 4: you know the best, the best of keeping everything attack.

442
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 4: So if they are when I'm running around being a

443
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 4: cat then And honestly, as fun as it was, there

444
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 4: were really fun times. There were times that you're literally

445
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 4: on stage. There's one song where it's actually about dogs,

446
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 4: and so you put like a big top giant shoe

447
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 4: on your head and you're sort of doing things to

448
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 4: make your cat like a dog because it's all based

449
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 4: in a junkyard and you're just going, I'm a human

450
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 4: getting paid to be dressed up as a cat. Who's

451
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 4: been dressed up as a dog? What are you finding

452
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 4: a dog? What is my Wednesday afternoon? Like? How did

453
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 4: this become my Wednesday afternoon?

454
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Speaker 2: Or even better, people pay me for this. This is

455
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 2: fucking great.

456
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 4: Maybe, and then you do get hit with that you're like,

457
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 4: what am I doing? Oh tomorrow is Thursday? That's pay day?

458
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 4: But there were times was awesome and I did win

459
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 4: an award for it, and it was because you know, really,

460
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Speaker 4: Cats for me is like, yes, it's got some sort

461
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 4: of storyline, but it's I sort of treat it as

462
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 4: like cats doing idol, like pop idol or Australian idol,

463
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 4: and they're all just going out there with their best song,

464
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 4: right or what they've gotten. So my character sort of

465
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 4: had twenty minutes at the top of act two is

466
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 4: actually the oldest cat there. So for the rest of

467
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: it I was in the ensemble, and then at the

468
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 4: interval I turned into this sort of old cat and

469
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: they remake up me, and so do all my old acting,

470
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Speaker 4: and I love doing that. I love transforming into interesting characters.

471
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Speaker 4: And he was a cat who wanted to be I mean,

472
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 4: it's a human who wanted to be a star in

473
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Speaker 4: the theater and sort of regales about all his wonderful

474
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 4: things he's done, but he's really never made it. And

475
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 4: it's those people who who tell you about you know,

476
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 4: Regale for half an hour about you know, the Frankston

477
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 4: art Player's version of My Fair Lady where they played

478
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 4: Henry Higgins and you know, so it's that sort of

479
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 4: thing and he could have been the greatest of all

480
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 4: time and that that sort of thing. But it's it's

481
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 4: Ian McKellen, who's a famous British actor. Played it as

482
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Speaker 4: in No Show, not Bush as in Gandolf. Yes play

483
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Speaker 4: he played in the movie. And it's a beautiful role

484
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 4: to play, a really beautiful role to play. So I enjoyed.

485
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Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that part of it, Yeah, because it

486
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: was so transformative, Like I was twenty nine when I

487
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Speaker 4: did it, so to player that sort of eyeing old

488
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: man effectively was beautiful.

489
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Speaker 2: If have you ever seen it?

490
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 3: No, I haven't. I'm homework now.

491
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Speaker 1: I reckon You and I might be the only two

492
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: people in Australia. Everyone I know has seen it, so

493
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: you and I are shit.

494
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: It is amazing, Like to watch the physical form of

495
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 4: a human being transform into a cat and then dance

496
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: like that. It's sort of amazing, But then you're going,

497
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 4: what the hell is going on up there? As well?

498
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 4: Because it sort of the sense of plot is sort

499
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: of mysterious, and really it comes down to like pop

500
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 4: idol song choice and the one who's and sob story.

501
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 4: So the one who's got the darkest, hardest past also

502
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 4: has the best song and she wins.

503
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, and winning.

504
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: Means you go up to what's called the heavy side layer,

505
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: which is where a cat gets another life, you know,

506
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: the whole nine life thing. Somewhere. There's a plot, but

507
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: it's pretty it's pretty loose. I don't know. Andreloid Webber,

508
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 4: they were all on one. I'm reckon when they were

509
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 4: doing that.

510
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Speaker 2: Can you dance?

511
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 4: Bro? I've trained that out of myself. No, I was

512
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 4: never a great dancer, let's be honest. I've had to

513
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 4: in different things. Cats a little bit. I've had to

514
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 4: tap a little bit. But singing and acting were my

515
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 4: things at college and and dancing was always a third.

516
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: And you know, you work it up physically, you work

517
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: up your flexibility. Some of it has learnt skill with

518
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 4: a bit of innate movement. I don't know, but I

519
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: wasn't never a dancer. Can you dance?

520
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's probably my best thing. Yeah yeah, okay,

521
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: Hips don't yeah, hips don't lie?

522
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Speaker 2: I mean me and Curry. You know, just so we've

523
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: got you've got.

524
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Speaker 4: The terms, Tiff, what about you?

525
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Speaker 3: No, no, only in the boxing ring, mate, I dance

526
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 3: in the boxing ring that is.

527
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 4: Eat yeah, yeah, like a butterfly. Well that's it. Yeah,

528
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: but you've got to be sort of like I think so.

529
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: I thought so. And once I went and did hip

530
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: hop Class's absolute beginner, and within four steps of instruction,

531
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: I was seeding at the back, not moving and just

532
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: so angry that even the instructor want to make eye

533
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 3: contact with me. So it didn't translate, okay, like doing

534
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: the like create the box and then duck under it

535
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 3: side of thing.

536
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Speaker 2: I have a theory.

537
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: And I was talking to somebody about this recently because

538
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: the new Dancing with the Stars in Melbourne, I guess

539
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: around Australia is coming on and Ben Cousins and another

540
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: Ben Cousins ex West Coast Eagle footballer and Richmond Football

541
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: Club fuller footballer, Brownlie medalist, fucking superstar and another football

542
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: whose name escares me. But I was talking to someone

543
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: and they went out that'll probably be great, you know,

544
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 1: because I go, No, it's funny, how like Tiff is

545
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: very coordinated as a boxer, very coordinated, skilled, power, speed

546
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: of jill, the coordination balance, but how much that doesn't

547
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: translate to our dance, Like there are so many athletes

548
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: who are fucking horrible dancers because they can't feel the music.

549
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 2: And it's a different kind of movement.

550
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, because there's art in it, and that's the

551
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: missing that you can have all the athletic profile, but

552
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 4: it's actually the artistry and feeling music and that there's

553
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: a lot of isolation that's technical to dancing like you are.

554
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 4: You know, you look at popping and moping guys and

555
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 4: they're all isolating stuff, but when you're dancing jazz and like,

556
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 4: it's just another craft altogether, so it doesn't translate. And

557
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 4: so like you look at a male ballet dancer or

558
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: a ballerina and they are so flexible and they can

559
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: jump so high, but that doesn't mean they're going to

560
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 4: take mark of the year. You know, Like there's a

561
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 4: whole other craft there, so you know, yeah, yeah.

562
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: It's very sports slash art slash skills specifics. I get, Hey,

563
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: speaking of cats, did you ever see that this is

564
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: going to seem like a stretch at first? But I'll

565
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: bring it back.

566
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that Ted talk by Sir Ken

567
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: Robertson Robinson called our schools killing creativity?

568
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: Did you ever see that talk?

569
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: No? But they are at times.

570
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to throw schools or teachers under

571
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: the bus. But anyway, there was this brilliant talk. It's

572
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: one of the most watched fewed Sir Ken Robinson, who

573
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: was a British academic, brilliant but also funny as fuck,

574
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: which is rare for an academic. Anyway, he did that

575
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: talk and in that talk he told this story about

576
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Gillian Lynn, who you know.

577
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: Who that is?

578
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: Yea, she was our choreographer, that's right, So the genius

579
00:31:59,240 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: like that coat.

580
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: So they spoke.

581
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: He told this story about how when she was a

582
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: young girl, the parents were called in. The teachers called

583
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: the parents in, and this like specialist because they thought

584
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: that their daughter. They thought that this student. So the parents'

585
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: daughter was kind of special needs for one of a

586
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: better term intellectually handicapped. And they sat down they're all talking,

587
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: and the guy who was like the specialist, ed specialist

588
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: or whatever, he said, do you mind if we all

589
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: get out of this room. So they got out of

590
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: the room and he put on what was then the radio,

591
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: and he just put on some music which was in

592
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: this office, and they all got out into the hallway

593
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: or that, yeah, and they could see through the window.

594
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: And as soon as they got.

595
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: Out and they were talking in the hallway, Jillian Lynn

596
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: got out of the chest. She's like five or six

597
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: years old, and she started dancing, and the special ads

598
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: guy said, she's not handicapped. She's a dancer, right, And

599
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: that was like, so even though she was academically challenged

600
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: in some ways, or she didn't have that kind of

601
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: not that she was clearly not that she was lacking intelligence,

602
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: but she wasn't. She didn't excel at that, but obviously

603
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: she ended up being not only was she not handicapped,

604
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: she was literally a genius who did some incredible shit.

605
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: How amazing is that story.

606
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: That's a beautiful story. And I know that story very

607
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 4: very well, so smiling all the way through it because

608
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 4: having you tell it is really special, because I know

609
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 4: that's not a story that's mainstream. It's also not a

610
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 4: story that sits in the world of sports and high

611
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: performance sport a lot. But the fact that you've done

612
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 4: some research and found that story, I love that and

613
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 4: It makes me think of that great Einstein couoe that

614
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 4: I'll paraphrase, which is that everyone's a genius, but if

615
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 4: you're trying to a pitch of goldfish how to climb trees,

616
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 4: it'll spend its whole life thinking it's a full And

617
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 4: we don't have a system that is about exploring the

618
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: unique gift or the unique get genius withinside a young

619
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: person and then helping them expand that unique gift or

620
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: that genius. That's not the system. The system, although it's

621
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 4: getting better, and I've spoken to different principles of different

622
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 4: colleges or whatever in the recent recent past, you know,

623
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 4: we still have a system that says that there's four

624
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 4: digits at the end of year twelve that you need

625
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 4: to try and get the highest ones, and that's that's it.

626
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: And subjects like theater or drama or dance are actually

627
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 4: marked down. They're saying, hey, you know they're easy, so

628
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: we're going to mark them down. But you try and

629
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: get that physics specialist, maths major person you know reciting

630
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 4: in Shakespeare in monol or doing a jazz ballet routine.

631
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 4: They don't know how to do it, so yes, like

632
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 4: and similarly that ballet dancer. That beautiful actor may not,

633
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 4: you know, be able to land that physics equation, but

634
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 4: that's it doesn't make them smarter or dumb. It just

635
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 4: makes them unique and different. We should be exploring that

636
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 4: uniqueness within every individual and trying to expand that as

637
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: much as possible. But you know, yeah, or whatever, the

638
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 4: system doesn't like it, Does it create lemmings? Does it? No?

639
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: Definitely not, definitely not.

640
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: I put up a post recently you like this on

641
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: on Instagram and there's a couple of slides. First slide

642
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: is what are the following people have in common?

643
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: So?

644
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Richard Brandtson, Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg,

645
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: Orlando Bloom, Jamie Oliver, Pablo Picasso, Sr. Salmahayak, John Lennon.

646
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: What do you reckon they all have in common?

647
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: I reckon that they all didn't finish fun of your school.

648
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: They're all dyslexic, all dyslexic.

649
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, how wonderful, how amazing, how wonderful?

650
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: And listen to this, Josh.

651
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: In an attempt to learn more about the minds of millionaires,

652
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: a team of psychologists and business experts spend a day

653
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Speaker 1: testing a group of entrepreneurial millionaires. They were put through

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Speaker 1: a series of tests, and forty percent of the three

655
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Speaker 1: hundred millionaires who participated in the comprehensive study had been

656
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Speaker 1: diagnosed with dyslexia.

657
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Speaker 2: That's like, in other words, if you.

658
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Speaker 1: Want to succeed hocking, be dyslexic, you're actually smarter, not dumber.

659
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And we confine those people into a certain philosophy

660
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Speaker 4: about how we feel or think, and we treat them

661
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Speaker 4: in a certain way as we do. You know, people

662
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Speaker 4: of all sort of neurodiverse I don't call them issues

663
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 4: standing and I mean, yeah, I just think we've got

664
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Speaker 4: so far to go as a as a human species,

665
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 4: so far to go.

666
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Speaker 1: I think we're getting better, We're getting better. But I'm

667
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Speaker 1: with you, and it's like understanding that I think. Like

668
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Speaker 1: I was doing a gig recently and someone asked me about,

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Speaker 1: you know, essentially about intelligence, and I said, intelligence isn't

670
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: a thing. It's many things, and it's context. You put

671
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Speaker 1: me in some rooms, I'm pretty smart, you put me

672
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: in other rooms. I'm a fucking idiot, right.

673
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Speaker 4: You know all of us?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you get me to try and do certain

675
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Speaker 1: tasks or skills.

676
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Speaker 2: I'm a one out of ten.

677
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Speaker 1: Right, you get somebody with an IQ of three hundred,

678
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Speaker 1: which doesn't he let's say an IQ of one p

679
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: fifty to try and have an organic conversation on a

680
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: podcast with a stranger, they might really struggle.

681
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Speaker 2: They might not, but a lot might. You know, when I.

682
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: First started my PhD, trying to read an academic paper,

683
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: it was like reading fucking German, Russian and something like.

684
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: I had no idea what was going on. But I'm

685
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: not dumb, but I just couldn't do it. I'm like,

686
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: who writes like this? This is fucking incomprehensible. But three, four,

687
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: five years down the track, you're like, okay, you just

688
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: learn another language.

689
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Speaker 2: But many times in my life I've felt like a

690
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Speaker 2: fucking idiot.

691
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Speaker 4: And there's only times we felt like an absolute genius.

692
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Speaker 4: How far into your PhDa or you've done?

693
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: No, no, I've got about six months to go so

695
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Speaker 1: this doctor, Oh yeah, doctor Fatty Harps, So November one

696
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: will be five years.

697
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Speaker 4: Wow, I'm about six, I think, Yeah.

698
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Speaker 2: It takes a while. It depends what you're doing.

699
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Speaker 1: I'm doing neuropsychology, so it's not like I'm doing a

700
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Speaker 1: PhD in sampit or plasticcene.

701
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: So there's a bit of work in there.

702
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Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, now that that is super super interesting. What

703
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Speaker 4: is the part of neuropsychology and just neuroscience in a

704
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Speaker 4: way that interests you the most? Like what is it

705
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Speaker 4: about the human mind and how that plays out that

706
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Speaker 4: interests you the most?

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Speaker 1: So many things, but you know, and I apologize to

708
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Speaker 1: my listeners. I get a few listeners, go fact, stop

709
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: talking about the same shit. But it's hard when you

710
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: have a conversation with a new person who doesn't know you.

711
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: But for me, understanding the potential, possibility and powers of

712
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Speaker 1: our power of our mind and realizing that your mind

713
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Speaker 1: is essentially your operational headquarters, like it's u HQ and

714
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Speaker 1: your mind is the filter through which you view, understand

715
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Speaker 1: and process the world. Right, So you know, you, me

716
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: and Tiff are in the same podcast at the same time,

717
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Speaker 1: but we're not in the same experience. So I'm interested

718
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Speaker 1: in where does that experience come from. Is it possible

719
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Speaker 1: that Josh is having a good time, TIFFs having a

720
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Speaker 1: bad time, and Craig somewhere in the middle, And the

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Speaker 1: answer is yes, And then it's like, what is that about?

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Speaker 1: So understanding the mind and understanding not just that mind,

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Speaker 1: but my mind in comparison to yours or TIFFs. And

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Speaker 1: then so my PhD is on a thing called metaperception,

725
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Speaker 1: which is really my ability to understand how you experience

726
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Speaker 1: me in real time. So that's the question at the

727
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Speaker 1: core of my research is what's the Craig experience like

728
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Speaker 1: for Josh or Tiff or my audience. And if you

729
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Speaker 1: wind that back one level, then you go, what's the

730
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Speaker 1: Josh experience like me trying to understand your version of

731
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Speaker 1: right now? So that's called theory of mind. Now, if

732
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Speaker 1: I can understand or at least have an insight into

733
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Speaker 1: your in the moment, right now experience, that is a

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Speaker 1: kind of social emotional awareness intelligence. If I can understand you,

735
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Speaker 1: then I can connect with you. I can develop rapport

736
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Speaker 1: and trust and respect with you because I get you.

737
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Speaker 1: But if I've got a high IQ but a low

738
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Speaker 1: social and or emotional intelligence, I might be saying things

739
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Speaker 1: that are technically true while creating more disconnection than connection

740
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Speaker 1: with you and not even knowing it exactly.

741
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Speaker 4: And so how much do you feel of that connection

742
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 4: is pure mind related and how much of it is

743
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Speaker 4: for want of a better term beyond the space in

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Speaker 4: which the mind lives. And I'll give you a sort

745
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Speaker 4: of indigenous Australian expression is that we actually have three brains,

746
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Speaker 4: and that's down here in the gut the brain of intuition. Yeah,

747
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Speaker 4: And here in the heart the brain of passion and

748
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Speaker 4: an emotional biplane of love and whatever, and here the

749
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Speaker 4: brain of analysis. And how much is that capacity being

750
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Speaker 4: able to tap into those different parts because we don't,

751
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Speaker 4: you know, we don't say things like I love them

752
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Speaker 4: with all my heart or I had a gut feeling

753
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Speaker 4: without that stemming from an actual Like those cliche phrases

754
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: a cliche for a reason, they stem from a certain

755
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 4: level of truth in a paradigm that people might understand

756
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Speaker 4: if they're willing to understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the end, well, I don't know. I can't give

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Speaker 1: you a percentage, but I'm with you. I think that

759
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Speaker 1: that intelligence lives not only in the heart and the

760
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Speaker 1: gut bio microbiome and of course the mind slash brain,

761
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: but our body is its own form of intelligent So, yeah,

762
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Speaker 1: that is a really great question because sometimes that you know,

763
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: sometimes our thinking is the gift and sometimes our thinking

764
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: is the problem. Right, So you can think yourself into

765
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: better health. Literally, there's vast research on place ebos. You

766
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Speaker 1: can also think yourself into immune systems suppression and illness.

767
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Speaker 1: In fact, funny you bring this up because I'm doing

768
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: a podcast on it soon. But you know, like, think

769
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Speaker 1: about this the moment that you have a negative thought.

770
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Speaker 1: Let's say you're thinking something bad, but the bad thing

771
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Speaker 1: that you're thinking isn't actually going to happen, and so

772
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Speaker 1: it's not true. It's just a construct of your mind,

773
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: but you're thinking about it. So your mind is there. Now,

774
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: your emotions are there because you're feeling fear and anxiety,

775
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: and now your body is there right, so now it's

776
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: a full kind of Josh experience that self created. That also,

777
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: by the way, is unnecessary because now there is no

778
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: threat danger and your safe, but your body doesn't know that,

779
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: so your body will produce qurtizole, adrenaline, bunch of other things.

780
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: Quartzole is what we call a catabolic hormone, not an

781
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: anabolic hormone. It breaks things down, so it creates inflammation,

782
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: It destroys muscle over time, it suppresses immune system function,

783
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: it impacts cognition. Now all now this is just one

784
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: little component. This is just one fucking factor. So for me,

785
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: and I've still got mail plates on despite the fact

786
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: that I'm five years into a PhD. Of all there

787
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: is to know, You know, if the ocean is the knowledge,

788
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: then I understand a drop of water, right, But fucking

789
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: fascinated with essentially what you just asked. And the truth is,

790
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: nobody in the world really knows. Like we have insights

791
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: and snicklets, but to go, it's this much this, and

792
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: that's that much that. But and there's also that you

793
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: know what what like think about? And I know we're digressing,

794
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: and I'll shut up after this, but I think you'll

795
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: be on board. How the fuck do dogs know how

796
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: to do the shit they do? And cats? And like,

797
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: it's not like anyone taught them. You know, when a

798
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: dog's sick it goes and finds certain stuff or a cat?

799
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: Is that a cat or a dog?

800
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 4: I should know. I did the fucking musical.

801
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: But animals, animals do stuff that instinctively they just know

802
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: to do right. So it's not like they thought critically.

803
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: They made a decision, they did some research and they

804
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: arrived at this conclusion.

805
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, your dog will smell your cancer before you even

806
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: know you had hun't upset.

807
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Speaker 1: And so I believe that humans are animals. Yes, we're

808
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: slightly more evolved, maybe maybe not, maybe not. I think

809
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: octopus and fucking dolphins have got us covered, and dogs.

810
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, we think we're the smartest species. I'll put

811
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Speaker 1: an asterisk there. But I also think that over the

812
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: last one hundred or two hundred years, we have really

813
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: disconnected from that innate wisdom. Yes, and we're too intellectual

814
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Speaker 1: and not instinctive and organic enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that has a lot to do with what

816
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 4: I'm talking about earlier, about the education systems, about applauding

817
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: or beatifying one variance of intelligence and diminishing another, and

818
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 4: going to all sorts of reasons why. But I think

819
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 4: that's a big part of it, because as an artist,

820
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 4: I am, as I said earlier, I'm constantly trying to

821
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 4: get out of here because I don't need the analysis.

822
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 4: The analysis and the technical work is done. Now let

823
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Speaker 4: go of that and lead with the heart, or lead

824
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 4: with the gut instinct, or lead from a soul place,

825
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 4: or go into the depths of the feelings of the banker,

826
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: feelings and emotions and experiences I've had and recreate a

827
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Speaker 4: version of them to enable another to feel. That doesn't

828
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Speaker 4: require me to analyze, that just requires me to be

829
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 4: open and free enough to let that out. On your

830
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 4: conversation about the catastrophic nature of the mind and how

831
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 4: that produces cortisol and whatever, this is certainly something I'd

832
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 4: experienced a lot, and why I started meditating ten years

833
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 4: ago was really to sort of help me with my

834
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 4: incessant anxiety. But what I realized was that, hold up,

835
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 4: I've just got so much power here if I learn

836
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 4: the art of sitting in my awareness or consciousness or

837
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 4: whatever it is and being able to see those thoughts

838
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 4: play out like a movie in front of me and go,

839
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't need to go down that path.

840
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 4: I can stop that that thought might come out, because

841
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: I've got fucking sixty thousand of them a day. But

842
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 4: how where I choose to take that or what path

843
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: I choose to go down, is actually up to me.

844
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: Like my awareness is my home, and any thoughts, feelings, emotions,

845
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 4: or whatever are just visitors that come and then I

846
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 4: get to kick them out when I want to kick

847
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 4: him out. They don't have to stay overnight. So that's

848
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 4: so that is something. That's why I am such a

849
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 4: big advocate for people meditating and people going I'm doing

850
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 4: breath work insteand I'm like, sure that breath work is

851
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 4: might have a more immediate effect, but we have a

852
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 4: society obsessed with immediacy. Meditation is a discipline and a practice,

853
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 4: and it's a practice to expanding your sense of self

854
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 4: awareness and that once you've and that's unending, but once

855
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 4: you have a capacity to sit in that space, that

856
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: need for that breath work to shift that thing really

857
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: quickly may not be there as much because you actually

858
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 4: didn't get to a space where you were so unnecessarily

859
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 4: anxious about shit that didn't you didn't need to be

860
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 4: anxious about because it was just a project of your

861
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 4: future negative self.

862
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

863
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, So for meditation. The other thing I want to discuss,

864
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 4: because you know, I'm really into the topic you're talking

865
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 4: about about this different experience that we had, is the

866
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 4: idea of coalescence or symbiosis or the shared experience that

867
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: we're all having, Like, could you talk a bit about that.

868
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Speaker 4: I'm just going to pick your brain because I think

869
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 4: it's interesting. Well, I mean, there's the there's a oneness too,

870
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Speaker 4: there must be a oneness in the separation. There must

871
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 4: be a juxtaposition to the separation.

872
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: Well even right now we us three are not in

873
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: the same place, but there's an energetic commonality.

874
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: There's an energetic.

875
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: Exchange, right, So there's separation, but there's there's inclusion. And

876
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: separation is like a mirage really, you know, because we

877
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: think things are all physical. So there's stuff happening, you know,

878
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: and and stuff is, but it isn't, you know, So

879
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: there's this It can be a deep level of psychological, sociological, emotional,

880
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: and energetic connection even when people.

881
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: Are not in the same place.

882
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: You know, and people or people and.

883
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: I believe, I believe people in nature. I believe people

884
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: and animals. I truly believe that, and.

885
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 4: The like we are, I mean, we are nature, but

886
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 4: society has taught us that we're separate from but we

887
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 4: are nature like because.

888
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to go to nature because you

889
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: are nature, but you can, you can go back to

890
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: where you're from.

891
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 2: And you know, it's like we all end.

892
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: Up in the ground, and we all end up becoming

893
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: the fucking ground.

894
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 4: You know.

895
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: You put me in a box in the ground, and

896
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: you come back in one hundred years, I will be

897
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: the ground.

898
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 4: Right.

899
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's a circle and a cycle.

900
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: But you know, you think about this, like somebody like Tiff,

901
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: I love dogs. Tiff loves dogs. You love dogs. We

902
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: know that if you are a dog lover and you

903
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: lie on the floor with your dog, that is doing

904
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: good things to your body. You don't even have to

905
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: think about it. You don't even have to be strategic

906
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: about it. You don't even have to know that it's

907
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: going on or understand it. But it's actually producing biochemical

908
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: changes in your body that are good for your brain,

909
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: good for your heart, good for your immune system. And

910
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: it's also good for the dog because the dog loves you. Right,

911
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: So there's all this awesome shit happening all the time.

912
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: But so too we need to be and this is

913
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: the self awareness piece. So somebody who hates dogs who

914
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: does the same thing will have a negative physiological consequence.

915
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: So like, for example, I've been riding motorbikes since I

916
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: was five. I've never stopped. I have four motorbikes I ride.

917
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: Most of my communing is on a bike. I can

918
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: be on the front of a motorbike having the best time,

919
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: and my body is in a good state biochemically, and

920
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm producing dopamine and all these great fucking things. Somebody

921
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: who is on the back for the first time, So

922
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: same bike, same day, same trip, but having the worst

923
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: experience literally of all time. But it's not about the

924
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: bike or the trip, or it's about what that represents

925
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: to you. It's about your thinking about that. It's about

926
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: your interaction. It's about that interaction between you and that stimulus.

927
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: You know, an idea that the next level, you should

928
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: do it this.

929
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 4: Way, or you should do it you know what, you

930
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 4: know what would work for you doing it? Like doing

931
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 4: it basically say doing what I do.

932
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 2: It's never right, that's that's right.

933
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: I mean if you took if you said to me

934
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: and Tiff, because we're quite similar, Hey, I'm going to

935
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: take you guys through a ten minutes meditation, she'd be

936
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: punching you in the face at about two minutes.

937
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: Hey, and all that.

938
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm under weekly meditations, bro, and tonight is the night.

939
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: That's right. I forgot. But until recently you couldn't cope.

940
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: Right, I do struggle. I need to be, but I

941
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: need to be in that shared environment brings you back

942
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 3: to what Josh said before, there's an energy inside that

943
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: room when everybody's in that and I access that really deeply.

944
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Will you come back, yeah, because we've got to wind up.

945
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: But I don't want to wind up.

946
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: But I feel like I got two hours left with you.

947
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know. Maybe we just need to hang out,

948
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 4: or we can flip it and you can come on

949
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: my potty.

950
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Well I wanted to plug because you've got a potty,

951
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: a new one, brand new everyone called behind the mask. Yep,

952
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: So tune into that, subscribe to that, give him a

953
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: little bit of love, give him some support. Will you

954
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: have forgot guys? Exactly three listeners, give him that chop out.

955
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 4: Deep dive deep dive chats like this. But basically there's

956
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 4: always a two on one experience. So two people from

957
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 4: the sack to what we're talking about now, two people

958
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 4: from the same field with that's sports, arts, politics, journalism,

959
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 4: whatever it is, who have a very different experience or

960
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 4: have very different experience of living in that field and

961
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: what's behind the mask that they project out into the

962
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 4: world of their careers and what's actually going on inside

963
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 4: of inside of them. So there's probably similarities between what

964
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 4: we're on the past that we've gone down today and

965
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 4: some of the stuff are behind the mask. Yeah, I

966
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 4: love that?

967
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: All right? How can people find you? Follow you, connect

968
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 2: with you my friend?

969
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, at Josh Pittman on Instagram is the easiest place.

970
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 4: One T and one N in Pittman and you can

971
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 4: listen to all sorts of songs and some any links

972
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 4: and stuff to behind the Mask are also in there.

973
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 4: So I reckon that's the easiest place. Wowyan you so

974
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 4: much for having me on. What a fucking great chat?

975
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: Hey make Can we be friends?

976
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? You're in Melbourne, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

977
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 4: I think we need to have a lunch mate. I

978
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 4: feel like it's only a again, what's that Conway's?

979
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: Is that Chrissy Vines or I don't know who the

980
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: fuck that is?

981
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, this is the start of something

982
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: beautiful and Tiff you need to get him on your

983
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: show as well.

984
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and quickly.

985
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 4: Can we thank mister Tommy Jacket for bringing us all

986
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 4: together and jackim Bug because great people bring people together

987
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 4: and Tommy is such a great connector and a beautiful

988
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 4: man and a great dad and so thanks.

989
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: Tommy, Thanks thanks Jack. A good point mate, that's an

990
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: oversight on my part. He's my adopted son, Tommy as

991
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: I've been negligent. So thank god you're here. We love

992
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: you too, Jay Mate, Well say goodbye a fair but

993
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: for moment, for the moment, you're a superstar. Thanks for

994
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: being on the You project.

995
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. You're a superstar

996
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 4: as our utif. Sorry once again about talking about just

997
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: the stiff.

998
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: Part, straight up, straight up into the dick jokes.

999
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrible,