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Speaker 1: Brian Kevin, Patrick Pittman, Tif Cookie. This is I'm feeling

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Speaker 1: a bit of deja vous right now.

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Speaker 2: Feels what we've been here before, doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I feel, I don't know, there's a familiarity about this

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Speaker 3: Did I dream this last night? Guys?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? You did? You did? Josh? Why do we all?

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Speaker 1: Have we been in the matrix? Are we coming out?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm sorry for sending you guys that macro doos

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Speaker 3: of mushrooms in the mail. They really trip things out

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Speaker 3: a bit.

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Speaker 1: Well, if a little bit of psilocybin and LSD is

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Speaker 1: a great way to get the get the show started

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Speaker 1: now if you're wondering what the fuck we're talking about? Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Josh and Tip and I started about five minutes ago

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Speaker 1: and we had a few tech issues. So this is

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Speaker 1: take two and hopefully it's the last take before we

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Speaker 1: talk to Josh officially. Tiff Good morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Harps Again.

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Speaker 1: You've been up since the crack of Sparrow's fart. You

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Speaker 1: told us first time around, what were you doing up

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Speaker 1: so early.

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Speaker 4: I'm all ways up early up really yelling at people

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Speaker 4: and making them live their best lives.

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Speaker 1: Mm and punching them in the face with love.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, precisely.

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Speaker 1: Hey, speaking of nothing to our well, hunters and collectors,

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Speaker 1: Mark Seymour's hunters, collectors, who's hunters and collectors? Who's just

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Speaker 1: Mark Seymour? Now? For those who've been living under rock.

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Speaker 1: His new album is called The Boxer. The Boxer on

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Speaker 1: the front of the album is our very own Tiffany

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Speaker 1: and Cook, Who's who's been very shy and quiet about that?

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Speaker 4: Is the album selling? And how is your star pupil mate?

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Speaker 4: It is selling like hotcakes. I'm trying to find They

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Speaker 4: put up a post the other day and I'm trying

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Speaker 4: to find what it says. There was a quote on it.

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Speaker 4: Let me see, Well, here we go, ready. The Boxer

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Speaker 4: is a fight for love and the finest music of

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Speaker 4: Seymour's career. And that was written in Stack magazine just

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Speaker 4: saying the finest record of his career.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Do you think that that's because the title song

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Speaker 1: was about you?

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Speaker 2: Most definitely? Could there be any other reason?

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Speaker 1: Well, Josh, I think you need to write a song

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Speaker 1: about Tip I think that's the take home message here.

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Speaker 5: Oh mate, I could rifferbout it. I could just get it.

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Speaker 1: There's our promo, there's our promo, You're.

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Speaker 3: Welcome promo classic.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, where's is all mine?

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Speaker 1: Josh, don't worry, that's gone.

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Speaker 3: It's a boxing thing. I should have gone with. Have

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Speaker 3: a Bissosh, Why why the dick?

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Speaker 1: Joe's terrible, straight up, straight up.

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Speaker 3: Awful.

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Speaker 1: People would be like, remember that the moment that Josh

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Speaker 1: kind of tumbled into obscurity, Remember that when his career

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Speaker 1: project or some yeah. Yeah, when he said that that

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Speaker 1: horrible thing to that woman who fucking loved it and

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Speaker 1: then used it on her socials as a primer. That

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Speaker 3: Oh god, it's going to go viral. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: go viraly downhill. Yeah. Anyway, if that was terrible, that

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Speaker 3: was my worst songwriting. That's that's what happens when you

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Speaker 1: Do you know what, mate, if we're not allowed to

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Speaker 3: That was pretty fun.

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Speaker 3: Also at eleven eleven for our time and you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there it is. You could. I mean, he might

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm extremely well. How are you mate?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm not going to ask the question I

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Speaker 1: asked you first time around. Fuck it, let's just move on.

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Speaker 1: Where are you today? What state slash suburb city area

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Speaker 3: We find me in Hawthorne of Melbourne, Victoria.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool? Is this where you're based? Down here? This

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Speaker 3: This is yeah, where I live with my partner, Georgia

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Speaker 3: When you want to when.

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Speaker 1: You want to take a ship, do you do similar

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Speaker 3: The titlet doors open? You don't have to task permission.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, you missed your calling. Fuck musical theater, do comedy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I do want to go back

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Speaker 1: a little bit because you said some beautiful stuff before

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Speaker 1: we had our tech issues. So just I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: us a bit of an insight into Josh Pitterman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When people ask, oh, yes, so who's Josh Pittman,

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Speaker 3: I just hate reeling off my bio because it really

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's beautiful, man, seriously, and thanks for being so real, real,

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Speaker 1: honest and vol straight up. It's fantastic. Hey, I'm interested

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Speaker 3: cat then and honestly, as fun as it was, there

434
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: were really fun times. There were times that you're literally

435
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 3: on stage. There's one song where it's actually about dogs,

436
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 3: and so you put like a big top giant shoe

437
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 3: on your head and you're sort of doing things to

438
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 3: make your cat like a dog because it's all based

439
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: in a junkyard and you're just going, I'm a human

440
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: getting paid to be dressed up as a cat. Who's

441
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 3: been dressed up as a dog?

442
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: What are you finding a dog?

443
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 3: What is my Wednesday afternoon? Like? How did this become

444
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 3: my Wednesday afternoon?

445
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 1: Or even better. People pay me for this. This is

446
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: fucking great.

447
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: Maybe, and then you do get hit with that you're like,

448
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: what am I doing? Oh tomorrow is Thursday? That's pay day?

449
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 3: But there were times was awesome and I did win

450
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: an award for it, and it was because you know, really,

451
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 3: cats for me is like, yes, it's got some sort

452
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 3: of storyline, but it's I sort of treat it as

453
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 3: like cats doing idol, like pop idol or Australian idol,

454
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: and they're all just going out there with their best song,

455
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: right or what they've gotten. So my character sort of

456
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: had twenty minutes at the top of act two is

457
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: actually the oldest cat there. So for the rest of

458
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: it I was in the ensemble, and then at the

459
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 3: interval I turned into this sort of old cat and

460
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: they remake up me, and so do all my old acting,

461
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 3: and I love doing that. I love transforming into interesting characters.

462
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 3: And he was a cat who wanted to be I mean,

463
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 3: it's a human who wanted to be a star in

464
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 3: the theater and sort of regales about all his wonderful

465
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 3: things he's done, but he's really never made it. And

466
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: it's those people who who tell you about you know

467
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,120
Speaker 3: Regale for half an hour about you know, the Frankston

468
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: art Player's version of My Fair Lady where they played

469
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: Henry Higgins and you know, so it's that sort of

470
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: thing and he could have been the greatest of all

471
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: time and that that sort of thing. But it's it's

472
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Speaker 3: Ian McKellen, who's a famous British actor. Played it as

473
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Speaker 3: in No Show, not Bush as in Gandolf. Yes play

474
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Speaker 3: he played in the movie. And it's a beautiful role

475
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 3: to play, a really beautiful role to play. So I enjoyed.

476
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Speaker 3: I really enjoyed that part of it, yeah, because it

477
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: was so transformative, Like I was twenty nine when I

478
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 3: did it, so to player that sort of eyeing old

479
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 3: man effectively was beautiful.

480
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: If have you ever seen it?

481
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I'm homework now.

482
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: I reckon You and I might be the only two

483
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: people in Australia. Everyone I know has seen it, so

484
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: you and I are shit.

485
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: It is amazing, Like to watch the physical form of

486
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: a human being transform into a cat and then dance

487
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: like that. It's sort of amazing, But then you're going

488
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 3: what the hell is going on up there? As well?

489
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: Because it sort of the sense of plot is sort

490
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 3: of mysterious, and really it comes down to like pop

491
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 3: idol song choice and the one who's and sob story.

492
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: So the one who's got the darkest, hardest past also

493
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 3: has the best song and she wins.

494
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, and winning.

495
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 3: Means you go up to what's called the heavy side layer,

496
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: which is where a cat gets another life, you know,

497
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: the whole nine life thing. Somewhere. There's a plot, but

498
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 3: it's pretty it's pretty loose. I don't know, Andreiloid Webber,

499
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 3: they were all on one. I'm reckon when they were

500
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: doing that.

501
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Can you dance?

502
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: Bro? I've trained that out of myself.

503
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: No.

504
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 3: I was never a great dancer, let's be honest. I've

505
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 3: had to in different things. Cats a little bit. I've

506
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 3: had to tap a little bit. But singing and acting

507
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: were my things at college and and dancing was always

508
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: a third. And you know, you work it up physically,

509
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: you work up your flexibility. Some of it has learnt

510
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: skill with a bit of innate movement. I don't know,

511
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: but I wasn't never a dancer. Can you dance?

512
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's probably my best thing. Yeah yeah, okay,

513
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: Hips don't yeah, hips don't lie. I mean me and Curry.

514
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: You know, just so we've got you've got.

515
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: The terms, Tiff, what about you?

516
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: No, no, only in the boxing ring, mate, I dance

517
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: in the boxing ring, that is.

518
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: Eat yeah, yeah, like a butterfly. Well that's it. Yeah,

519
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: but you've got to be sort of like I think so.

520
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: I thought so.

521
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: And once I went and did hip hop Class's absolute beginner,

522
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 4: and within four steps of instruction, I was seeding at

523
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 4: the back, not moving and just so angry that even

524
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: the instructor want to make eye contact with me. So

525
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 4: it didn't translate, okay, like doing the like create the

526
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: box and then duck under it side of thing.

527
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Speaker 1: I have a theory. And I was talking to somebody

528
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: about this recently because the new Dancing with the Stars

529
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: in Melbourne, I guess around Australia is coming on and

530
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: Ben Cousins and another Ben Cousins ex West Coast Eagle

531
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: footballer and Richmond Football Club fuller, footballer, Brownlie medalist, fucking

532
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: superstar and another football whose name escares me. But I

533
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: was talking to someone and they went out. They'll probably

534
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: be great, you know, because I go No, it's funny,

535
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: how like Tiff is very coordinated as a boxer, very coordinated, skilled, power,

536
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: speed of jill, the coordination balance, but how much that

537
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: doesn't translate to our dance, Like there are so many

538
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: athletes who are fucking horrible dancers because they can't feel

539
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: the music. And it's a different kind of movement.

540
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, because there's art in it, and that's the

541
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: missing that you can have all the athletic profile, but

542
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: it's actually the artistry and feeling music and that there's

543
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: a lot of isolation that's technical to dancing like you are.

544
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 3: You know, you look at popping and moping guys and

545
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 3: they're all isolating stuff, but when you're dancing jazz and like,

546
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 3: it's just another craft altogether, so it doesn't translate. And

547
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: so like you look at a male ballet dancer or

548
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: a ballerina and they are so flexible and they can

549
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: jump so high, but that doesn't mean they're going to

550
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: take mark of the year. You know, Like there's a

551
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: whole other craft there, so you know, yeah, yeah.

552
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: It's very sports slash art slash skills specifics. I get, Hey,

553
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: speaking of cats, did you ever see that this is

554
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: going to seem like a stretch at first? But I'll

555
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: bring it back. Did you ever see that ted talk

556
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: by Sir Ken Robertson Robinson called our schools killing creativity?

557
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: Did you ever see that talk?

558
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: No? But they are at times.

559
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to throw schools or teachers under

560
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: the bus. But anyway, there was this brilliant talk. It's

561
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: one of the most watched fewed Sir Ken Robinson, who

562
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: was a British academic, brilliant but also funny as fuck,

563
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: which is rare for an academic. Anyway, he did that

564
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: talk and in that talk he told this story about

565
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Gillian Lynn, who you know who that is?

566
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was our choreographer, that's right. So the genius

567
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: like that coats.

568
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: So they spoke. He told this story about how when

569
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: she was a young girl, the parents were called in.

570
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: The teachers called the parents in, and this like specialist

571
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: because they thought that their daughter, they thought that this student.

572
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: So the parents' daughter was kind of special needs for

573
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: one of a better term, intellectually handicapped. And they sat

574
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: down they're all talking, and the guy who was like

575
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: the specialist, ed specialist or whatever, he said, do you

576
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: mind if we all get out of this room. So

577
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: they got out of the room and he put on

578
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: what was then the radio and he just put on

579
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: some music which was in this office, and they all

580
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: got out into the hallway or that, yeah, and they

581
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: could see through the window. And as soon as they

582
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: got out and they were talking in the hallway, Jillian

583
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: Lynn got out of the chest. She's like five or

584
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: six years old, and she started dancing, and the special

585
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: ads guy said, she's not handicapped. She's a dancer, right,

586
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: And that was like, so even though she was academically

587
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: challenged in some ways, or she didn't have that kind

588
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: of not that she was clearly not that she was

589
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: lacking intelligence, but she wasn't. She didn't excel at that,

590
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: but obviously she ended up being not only was she

591
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: not handicapped, she was literally a genius who did some

592
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: incredible shit. How amazing is that story.

593
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful story. And I know that story very

594
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,959
Speaker 3: very well, so smiling all the way through it because

595
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 3: having you tell it is really special because I know

596
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: that's not a story that's mainstream. It's also not a

597
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 3: story that sits in the world of sports and high

598
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: performance sport a lot. But the fact that you've done

599
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: some research and found that story, I love that and

600
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 3: it makes me think of that great Einstein couoe that

601
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: I'll paraphrase, which is that everyone's a genius, but if

602
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: you're trying to a pitch of goldfish how to climb trees,

603
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: it'll spend its whole life thinking it's a full And

604
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: we don't have a system that is about exploring the

605
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: unique gift or the unique get genius withinside a young

606
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 3: person and then helping them expand that unique gift or

607
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: that genius. That's not the system. The system, although it's

608
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: getting better, and I've spoken to different principles of different

609
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: colleges or whatever in the recent recent past, you know,

610
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 3: we still have a system that says that there's four

611
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 3: digits at the end of year twelve that you need

612
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 3: to try and get the highest ones, and that's that's it.

613
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: And subjects like theater or drama or dance are actually

614
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 3: marked down. They're saying, hey, you know they're easy, so

615
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 3: we're going to mark them down. But you try and

616
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: get that physics specialist, maths major person you know reciting

617
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: in Shakespeare in monol or doing a jazz ballet routine.

618
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 3: They don't know how to do it, so yes, like

619
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: and similarly that ballet dancer, that beautiful actor may not,

620
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, be able to land that physics equation, but

621
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: that's it doesn't make them smarter or dumb. It just

622
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: makes them unique and different. We should be exploring that

623
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: uniqueness within every individual and trying to expand that as

624
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: much as possible. But you know, yeah, or whatever, the

625
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 3: system doesn't like it, Does it create lemmings? Does it?

626
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: No? Definitely not, definitely not. I put up a post

627
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: recently you like this on on Instagram and there's a

628
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: couple of slides. First slide is what are the following

629
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: people have in common?

630
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: So?

631
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein, Leonardo da Vinci, Richard Brandtson, Tom Cruise, Steven Spielberg,

632
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: Orlando Bloom, Jamie Oliver, Pablo Picasso, Sr. Salmahayak, John Lennon.

633
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: What do you reckon they all have in common?

634
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: I reckon that they all didn't finish fun of your school.

635
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: They're all dyslexic, all dyslexic.

636
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, how wonderful, how amazing, how wonderful.

637
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: And listen to this, Josh. In an attempt to learn

638
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: more about the minds of millionaires, a team of psychologists

639
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: and business experts spend a day testing a group of

640
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial millionaires. They were put through a series of tests,

641
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: and forty percent of the three hundred millionaires who participated

642
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: in the comprehensive study had been diagnosed with dyslexia. That's like,

643
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: in other words, if you want to succeed hocking, be dyslexic,

644
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: you're actually smarter, not dumber.

645
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we confine those people into a certain philosophy

646
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: about how we feel or think, and we treat them

647
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: in a certain way as we do. You know, people

648
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 3: of all sort of neurodiverse I don't call them issues

649
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: standing and I mean, yeah, I just think we've got

650
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: so far to go as a as a human species,

651
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: so far to go.

652
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: I think we're getting better, We're getting better. But I'm

653
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: with you, and it's like understanding that I think. Like

654
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: I was doing a gig recently and someone asked me about,

655
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, essentially about intelligence, and I said, intelligence isn't

656
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: a thing. It's many things, and it's context. You put

657
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: me in some rooms, I'm pretty smart, you put me

658
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: in other rooms. I'm a fucking idiot, right.

659
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: You know all of us?

660
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you get me to try and do certain

661
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: tasks or skills I'm a one out of ten. Right,

662
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 1: you get somebody with an IQ of three hundred, which

663
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: doesn't he let's say an IQ of one p fifty

664
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: to try and have an organic conversation on a podcast

665
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: with a stranger. They might really struggle. They might not,

666
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: but a lot might. You know, when I first started

667
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: my PhD, trying to read an academic paper, it was

668
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: like reading fucking German, Russian and something like. I had

669
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: no idea what was going on. But I'm not dumb,

670
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: but I just couldn't do it. I'm like, who writes

671
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: like this? This is fucking incomprehensible. But three, four, five

672
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: years down the track, you're like, okay, you just learn

673
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: another language. But many times in my life I've felt

674
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: like a fucking idiot.

675
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: And there's only times we felt like an absolute genius.

676
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: How far into your PhDa or you've done?

677
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

678
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: No, no, I've got about six months to go so

679
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 1: this doctor, Oh yeah, doctor Fatty Harps, So November one

680
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: will be five years.

681
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm about six, I think, Yeah.

682
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: It takes a while. It depends what you're doing. I'm

683
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: doing neuropsychology, so it's not like I'm doing a PhD

684
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: in sampit or plasticcene. So there's a bit of work

685
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: in there.

686
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, now that that is super super interesting. What

687
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 3: is the part of neuropsychology and just neuroscience in a

688
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: way that interests you the most? Like what is it

689
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: about the human mind and how that plays out that

690
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: interests you the most?

691
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: So many things, but you know, and I apologize to

692
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: my listeners. I get a few listeners, go fact, stop

693
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: talking about the same shit. But it's hard when you

694
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: have a conversation with a new person who doesn't know you.

695
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: But for me, understanding the potential possibility and powers of

696
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: our power of our mind and realizing that your mind

697
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: is essentially your operational headquarters, like it's u HQ and

698
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: your mind is the filter through which you view, understand

699
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: and process the world. Right, So you know, you, me

700
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: and Tiff are in the same podcast at the same time,

701
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: but we're not in the same experience. So I'm interested

702
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: in where does that experience come from. Is it possible

703
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: that Josh is having a good time, TIFFs having a

704
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: bad time, and Craig somewhere in the middle, And the

705
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: answer is yes, And then it's like, what is that about?

706
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 1: So understanding the mind and understanding not just that mind,

707
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: but my mind in comparison to yours or TIFFs. And

708
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: then so my PhD is on a thing called metaperception,

709
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: which is really my ability to understand how you experience

710
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: me in real time. So that's the question at the

711
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: core of my research is what's the Craig experience like

712
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: for Josh or Tiff or my audience. And if you

713
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: wind that back one level, then you go, what's the

714
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: Josh experience like me trying to understand your version of

715
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: right now? So that's called theory of mind. Now, if

716
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: I can understand or at least have an insight into

717
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: your in the moment, right now experience, that is a

718
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: kind of social emotional awareness intelligence. If I can understand you,

719
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: then I can connect with you. I can develop rapport

720
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: and trust and respect with you because I get you.

721
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: But if I've got a high IQ but a low

722
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: social and or emotional intelligence, I might be saying things

723
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: that are technically true while creating more disconnection than connection

724
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: with you and not even knowing it exactly.

725
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: And so how much do you feel of that connection

726
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 3: is pure mind related and how much of it is

727
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: for want of a better term, beyond the space in

728
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,959
Speaker 3: which the mind lives. And I'll give you a sort

729
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 3: of indigenous Australian expression is that we actually have three brains,

730
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 3: and that's down here in the gut the brain and

731
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: of intuition. Yeah, And here in the heart the brain

732
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 3: of passion and an emotional biplane of love and whatever,

733
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: and here the brain of analysis. And how much is

734
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 3: that capacity being able to tap into those different parts

735
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: because we don't you know, we don't say things like

736
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 3: I love them with all my heart or I had

737
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: a gut feeling without that stemming from an actual Like

738
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: those cliche phrases a cliche for a reason, they stem

739
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: from a certain level of truth in a paradigm that

740
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: people might understand if they're willing to understand.

741
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, the end, Well, I don't know. I can't give

742
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: you a percentage, but I'm with you. I think that

743
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: that intelligence lives not only in the heart and the

744
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: gut bio microbiome, and of course the mind slash brain,

745
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: but our body is its own form of intelligent So, yeah,

746
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: that is a really great question because sometimes that you know,

747
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: sometimes our thinking is the gift and sometimes our thinking

748
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: is the problem. Right, So you can think yourself into

749
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: better health. Literally, there's vast research on place ebos. You

750
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: can also think yourself into immune systems suppression and illness.

751
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: In fact, funny you bring this up because I'm doing

752
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: a podcast on it soon. But you know, like, think

753
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: about this the moment that you have a negative thought.

754
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: Let's say you're thinking something bad, but the bad thing

755
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: that you're thinking isn't actually going to happen, and so

756
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: it's not true. It's just a construct of your mind,

757
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: but you're thinking about it. So your mind is there. Now,

758
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: your emotions are there because you're feeling fear and anxiety,

759
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: and now your body is there right, So now it's

760
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: a full kind of Josh experience that self created. That also,

761
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: by the way, is unnecessary because now there is no

762
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: threat danger and your safe, but your body doesn't know that,

763
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: So your body will produce qurtizole, adrenaline, bunch of other things.

764
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: Quartzole is what we call a catabolic hormone, not an

765
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: anabolic hormone. It breaks things down, so it creates inflammation,

766
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: It destroys muscle over time, it suppresses immune system function,

767
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: it impacts cognition. Now all now this is just one

768
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: little component this is just one fucking factor. So for me,

769
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: and I've still got mail plates on despite the fact

770
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: that I'm five years into a PhD. Of all there

771
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: is to know, You know, if the ocean is the knowledge,

772
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: then I understand a drop of water, right, But fucking

773
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: fascinated with essentially what you just asked. And the truth

774
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: is nobody in the world really knows. Like we have

775
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: insights and snicklets, but to go, it's this much this,

776
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: and that's that much that. But and there's also that

777
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: you know what what like think about? And I know

778
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: we're digressing, and I'll shut up after this, but I

779
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: think you'll be on board. How the fuck do dogs

780
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: know how to do the shit they do? And cats?

781
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: And like, it's not like anyone taught them. You know,

782
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: when a dog's sick it goes and finds certain stuff

783
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: or a cat? Is that a cat or a dog?

784
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: I should know. I did the fucking musical.

785
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: But animals, animals do stuff that instinctively they just know

786
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: to do right, so that it's not like they thought critically,

787
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: they made a decision, they did some research, and they

788
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: arrived at this conclusion.

789
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, your dog will smell your cancer before you even

790
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: know you had hun't upset.

791
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: And so I believe that humans are animals. Yes, we're

792
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: slightly more evolved, maybe maybe not, maybe not. I think

793
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 1: octopus and fucking dolphins have got us covered, and dogs,

794
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, we think we're the smartest species. I'll put

795
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: an asterisk there. But I also think that over the

796
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: last one hundred or two hundred years, we have really

797
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: disconnected from that innate wisdom. Yes, and we're too intellectual

798
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: and not instinctive and organic enough.

799
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that has a lot to do with what

800
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: I'm talking about earlier, about the education systems, about applauding

801
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: or beatifying one variance of intelligence and diminishing another, and

802
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: going to all sorts of reasons why. But I think

803
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 3: that's a big part of it, because as an artist,

804
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: I am, as I said earlier, I'm constantly trying to

805
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: get out of here because I don't need the analysis.

806
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: The analysis and the technical work is done. Now let

807
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: go of that and lead with the heart, or lead

808
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 3: with the gut instinct, or lead from a soul place,

809
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 3: or go into the depths of the feelings of the banker,

810
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: feelings and emotions and experiences I've had and recreate a

811
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: version of them to enable another to feel. That doesn't

812
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: require me to analyze, that just requires me to be

813
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: open and free enough to let that out. On your

814
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 3: conversation about the catastrophic nature of the mind and how

815
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: that produces cortisol and whatever, this is certainly something I'd

816
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: experienced a lot, and why I started meditating ten years

817
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: ago was really to sort of help me with my

818
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 3: incessant anxiety. But what I realized was that, hold up,

819
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 3: I've just got so much power here if I learn

820
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: the art of sitting in my awareness or consciousness or

821
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 3: whatever it is and being able to see those thoughts

822
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: play out like a movie in front of me and go,

823
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't need to go down that path.

824
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 3: I can stop that that thought might come out, because

825
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: I've got fucking sixty thousand of them a day. But

826
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 3: how where I choose to take that or what path

827
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: I choose to go down, is actually up to me.

828
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: Like my awareness is my home, and any thoughts, feelings, emotions,

829
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: or whatever are just visitors that come and then I

830
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: get to kick them out when I want to kick

831
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: him out. They don't have to stay overnight. So that's

832
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: so that is something. That's why I am such a

833
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 3: big advocate for people meditating and people going I'm doing

834
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 3: breath work instand I'm like, sure that breath work is

835
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: might have a more immediate effect, but we have a

836
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: society obsessed with immediacy. Meditation is a discipline and a practice,

837
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,280
Speaker 3: and it's a practice to expanding your sense of self

838
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 3: awareness and that once you've and that's unending, but once

839
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: you have a capacity to sit in that space, that

840
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: need for that breath work to shift that thing really

841
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 3: quickly may not be there as much because you actually

842
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 3: didn't get to a space where you were so unnecessarily

843
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 3: anxious about shit that didn't you didn't need to be

844
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 3: anxious about because it was just a project of your

845
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 3: future negative self.

846
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

847
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So for meditation. The other thing I want to discuss,

848
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: because you know, I'm really into the topic you're talking

849
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: about about this different experience that we had, is the

850
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 3: idea of coalescence or symbiosis or the shared experience that

851
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: we're all having, Like, could you talk a bit about that.

852
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: I'm just going to pick your brain because I think

853
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 3: it's interesting. Well, I mean, there's the there's a oneness too,

854
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: there must be a oneness in the separation. There must

855
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 3: be a juxtaposition to the separation.

856
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: Well even right now we us three are not in

857
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: the same place, but there's an energetic commonality. There's an

858
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: energetic exchange, right, So there's separation, but there's there's inclusion.

859
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: And separation is like a mirage really, you know, because

860
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: we think things are all physical. So there's stuff happening,

861
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: you know, and and stuff is, but it isn't, you know,

862
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Speaker 1: So there's this It can be a deep level of psychological, sociological, emotional,

863
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: and energetic connection even when people are not in the

864
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: same place.

865
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 3: You know, and people or people and.

866
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: I believe I believe people in nature. I believe people

867
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: and animals. I truly believe that.

868
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: And the like we are, I mean, we are nature,

869
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 3: but society has taught us that we're separate from but

870
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: we are nature like because.

871
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to go to nature because you

872
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: are nature, but you can, you can go back to

873
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: where you're from. And you know, it's like we all

874
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: end up in the ground, and we all end up

875
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: becoming the fucking ground. You know. You put me in

876
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: a box in the ground and you come back in

877
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: one hundred years, I will be the ground.

878
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 3: Right.

879
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's a circle and a cycle. But

880
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, you think about this, like somebody like Tiff,

881
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: I love dogs. Tiff loves dogs. You love dogs. We

882
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: know that if you are a dog lover and you

883
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: lie on the floor with your dog, that is doing

884
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: good things to your body. You don't even have to

885
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: think about it. You don't even have to be strategic

886
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: about it. You don't even have to know that it's

887
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: going on or understand it. But it's actually producing biochemical

888
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 1: changes in your body that are good for your brain,

889
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: good for your heart, good for your immune system. And

890
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: it's also good for the dog because the dog loves you. Right,

891
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: So there's all this awesome shit happening all the time.

892
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: But so too we need to be and this is

893
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: the self awareness piece. So somebody who hates dogs who

894
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: does the same thing will have a negative physiological consequence.

895
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: So like, for example, I've been riding motorbikes since I

896
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: was five. I've never stopped. I have four motorbikes I ride.

897
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: Most of my communing is on a bike. I can

898
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: be on the front of a motorbike having the best time,

899
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: and my body is in a good state biochemically, and

900
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm producing dopamine and all these great fucking things. Somebody

901
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: who is on the back for the first time. So

902
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 1: same bike, same day, same trip, but having the worst

903
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: experience literally of all time. But it's not about the

904
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: bike or the trip, or it's about what that represents

905
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 1: to you. It's about your thinking about that. It's about

906
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: your interaction. It's about that interaction between you and that stimulus.

907
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: You know, an idea that the next level, you should

908
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: do it this.

909
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 3: Way, or you should do it you know what, you

910
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: know what would work for you doing it? Like doing

911
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 3: it basically say doing what I do.

912
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: It's never right, that's that's right. I mean if you

913
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: took if you said to me and Tiff, because we're

914
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: quite similar, Hey, I'm going to take you guys through

915
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: a ten minutes meditation, she'd be punching you in the

916
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: face at about two minutes. Hey, and all that.

917
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: I'm under weekly meditations, bro, and tonight is the night.

918
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: That's right. I forgot. But until recently you couldn't cope.

919
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 4: Right, I do struggle. I need to be, but I

920
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 4: need to be in that shared environment. Brings you back

921
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 4: to what Josh said, before. There's an energy inside that

922
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 4: room when everybody's in that and I access that really deeply.

923
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Will you come back, yeah, because we've got to wind up,

924
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: but I don't want to wind up. But I feel

925
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: like I've got two hours left with you.

926
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know. Maybe we just need to hang out,

927
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 3: or we can flip it and you can come on

928
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: my potty.

929
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Well I wanted to plug because you've got a potty,

930
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 1: a new one, brand new everyone called behind the mask yep,

931
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: So tune into that, subscribe to that, give him a

932
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: little bit of love, give him some support. Will you

933
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: have forgot guys? Exactly three listeners, give him that chop out.

934
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: Deep dive deep dive chats like this. But basically there's

935
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 3: always a two on one experience. So two people from

936
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 3: the sack to what we're talking about now, two people

937
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: from the same field with that's sports, arts, politics, journalism,

938
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 3: whatever it is, who have a very different experience or

939
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 3: have very different experience of living in that field and

940
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 3: what's behind the mask that they project out into the

941
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: world of their careers and what's actually going on inside

942
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 3: of inside of them. So there's probably similarities between what

943
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 3: we're on the past that we've gone down today and

944
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 3: some of the stuff are behind the mask.

945
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that? All right? How can people find you?

946
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: Follow you, connect with you my friend?

947
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, at Josh Pittman on Instagram is the easiest place.

948
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 3: One T and one N in Pittman and you can

949
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: listen to all sorts of songs and some any links

950
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 3: and stuff to behind the Mask are also in there.

951
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 3: So I reckon that's the easiest place. Wowan you so

952
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: much for having me on. What a fucking great chat?

953
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: Hey make Can we be friends?

954
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? You're in Melbourne, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, let's do it.

955
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 3: I think we need to have a lunch mate. I

956
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: feel like it's only a again, what's that Conway's?

957
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: Is that Chrissy Vines or I don't know who the

958
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: fuck that is? But yeah, all right, this is the

959
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: start of something beautiful and Tiff you need to get

960
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: him on your show as well.

961
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and quickly.

962
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: Can we thank mister Tommy Jacket for bringing us all

963
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: together and jackim Bug because great people bring people together

964
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 3: and Tommy is such a great connector and a beautiful

965
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: man and a great dad and so thanks.

966
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: Tommy, Thanks thanks Jack. A good point, mate, that's an

967
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: oversight on my part. He's my adopted son, Tommy as

968
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: I've been negligent. So thank god you're here. We love

969
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: you too, Jay Mate, Well say goodbye a fair but

970
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: for a moment, for the moment, you're a superstar. Thanks

971
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: for being on the You project.

972
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. You're a superstar

973
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 3: as our utif. Sorry once again about talking about just

974
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: the stiff.

975
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: Part, straight up, straight up into the dick jokes.

976
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, terrible.