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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Red Bull

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Speaker 1: Racing kicks the Sergio Perez can down the road despite

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Speaker 1: his slumping form, putting on ice, Daniel Ricardo's plans to

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Speaker 1: return to the top team, and George Russell is stripped

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Speaker 1: of a sensational victory at the Belgian Grand Prix, but

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Speaker 1: luckily for Mercedes, Lewis Hamilton was behind him to inherit

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Speaker 1: the win. My name is Michael Lamonato, motorsport writer for

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Australia, and it's great to have your company

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Speaker 1: and the company of my co host from Speed Cafe.

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Speaker 1: He was surprised to discover that he shoes a three

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy grams lighter after changing them just once.

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Speaker 1: Today it's Matt Cotch.

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Speaker 2: I believe it.

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Speaker 3: On the socks, Yeah, the threadbare socks is what's done it?

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Speaker 2: I think? Today? Yeah? Gooday? How how are you going?

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Speaker 2: How are you going? What a way to start?

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Speaker 1: It's been a it's been a I was gonna say

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Speaker 1: a hell of a week. It's been a hell of

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Speaker 1: a thirty six hours since the end of the Belgian

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix or forty eight hours depending on your listening

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Speaker 1: to this. I'm glad this podcast being recorded slightly later

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Speaker 1: than usual, because otherwise we would have probably sound sounded

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Speaker 1: pretty stupid. I imagine that we recorded immediately.

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Speaker 3: Chances are we already do sound stupid because at this rate,

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Speaker 3: you know, Olie Bhaman has been announced at Ferrari, and

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Speaker 3: you know Petta Solberg's going to come out of rally

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Speaker 3: retirement and join George Russell at Mercedes. I mean, who

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Speaker 3: knows what's going to happen. It's been that sort of

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Speaker 3: week where every time you think it's all stopped and

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Speaker 3: you just get sucker punched once more.

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Speaker 1: I personally blame Fernando Orlonso because all right, all right,

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Speaker 1: I feel like he started the trend just two years

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Speaker 1: reflecting on the season, the half season that was, instead

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Speaker 1: of having to then change the narrative.

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Speaker 1: So, I think it's really comes down to being his fault.

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Speaker 3: I see how you've got there. I don't argue, but

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're jumping the gun a little bit here.

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Speaker 3: We're sort of we're using the best of our jokes

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Speaker 1: Yes, I usually describe it as AMMO as well. Let's

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Speaker 1: go into the five stories. You well, you won't have

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Speaker 1: missed most of these. Let's be honest our big stories

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Speaker 1: with the five stories that need wrapping up before we

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Speaker 1: head into the next week of Formula one and Matt.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Carlos Science, the most recent of these.

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Speaker 1: He's ended months of speculation by finally agreeing to join

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Speaker 1: Williams for at least two seasons, where he'll join Alex

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Speaker 3: It's all Fernande a Lonzo's fault. Really, I had to

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Speaker 3: Interested to understand why that's the case. In terms of

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Speaker 3: in terms of in terms of his options, it's probably

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Speaker 3: The more we learn, particularly about the latter, the more

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. The tagline. This is a strong driver

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Speaker 3: This is all politics, but not even at the AUDI

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Speaker 3: But interestingly, if you look at all of this, the

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Speaker 1: Yeaes shame on Fernando also causing all that damage as

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Speaker 1: At least three Alpine Team principal Bruno Famine has announced

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Speaker 2: The last forty odd years.

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Speaker 3: Makes a team more attractive to sell, not that they're selling.

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Speaker 3: We keep being told. However, the oliver oakes high Tech

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Speaker 1: Nothing's for sale until it's sold, generally in Formula One.

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Speaker 1: But let's move on to really the biggest story of

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Speaker 1: the week. It supersedes all of those five, and that

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Speaker 1: Christian Horner. Checko remains a Red Bull Racing driver, despite

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Speaker 3: Daniels in the Red Bulls seat, Perees has gone, Lim's

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Speaker 3: But that might also be the problem that Mercedes can

436
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Speaker 3: help them with, given that Mercedes has won three of

437
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Speaker 3: the last four.

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Speaker 2: Which is a better result than what McLaren's on. We

439
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 2: go on about McLaren, but let's spare a word from

440
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: Mercedes here. They've won three races this year versus McLaren's two.

441
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is remarkable, and I mean Lewis Hamilton's now

442
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 1: the third highest point score in the last eight rounds,

443
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Speaker 1: behind only Vestapan an Oscar Piastre. That said, you know,

444
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: we talk about the trajectory of McLaren moving ahead of

445
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 1: Red Bull racing in the next four or five races.

446
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: They only need to be outscoring Red Bull by just

447
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: over four points a weekend to get it done by

448
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Speaker 1: the end of the year. The current rate of just

449
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: over nine points, I think it is gets it done.

450
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: As I said after the Singapore Grand Prix or by

451
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 1: the US Grand Prix, they have more time than that.

452
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Speaker 1: They have more than twice as long as that to

453
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Speaker 1: get it done because this season is so long, and

454
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Speaker 1: then consider there are some sprint races in there as well.

455
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Speaker 1: The fact that the margin forty two points is now

456
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: less than the maximum squadable in a race weekend, I

457
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 1: think means we're already in that critical zone where, yeah,

458
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Speaker 1: even though Mercedes is now in the mix and Ferrari

459
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: may come back on tap, but Claren doesn't have to

460
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Speaker 1: do that much better than Red Bull to accumulate those points.

461
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Speaker 1: It doesn't have to and I think that's what for me,

462
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 1: it's the critical zone already, and look, I like, Sir

463
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: Joe Perry is just fine, and no one likes to

464
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Speaker 1: see a driver suffer because we know he's better than

465
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Speaker 1: what he's showing, because he showed it only a few

466
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: months ago. But you know, if you're red bull racing,

467
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Speaker 1: I think at this point, especially if you're a member

468
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: of staff, is the other element before we move on.

469
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: I think Constructors Championship pays bonuses to staff, and a

470
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Speaker 1: lot of staff are just on ordinary wages. You know,

471
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Speaker 1: we think about the ridiculous money that the drivers earn,

472
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Speaker 1: or even CEO's technical designers. Some of the rumors about

473
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Speaker 1: what Adrian knew he's been asking for is remarkable, to

474
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Speaker 1: say the least. But you know, most of the average

475
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: workers just earn whatever the average salary is in whatever

476
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: the country it is, UK orhever.

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Speaker 3: Often below average as well, often below average, yes, exactly.

478
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Speaker 3: Formula one has a massive brain drain at the moment

479
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Speaker 3: because the industry can't afford to give bonuses and raises

480
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: and those sorts of things, and as a result, people

481
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Speaker 3: who are on the fence leave the industry.

482
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a massive thing. You're right.

483
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Speaker 3: The constructors Championship is what pays bonuses, is what the

484
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 3: Formula One prize money is paid out. Again, So it's

485
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Speaker 3: worth tens of millions of dollars first, a second hundreds

486
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Speaker 3: of millions of dollars outright. So it's a proper thing.

487
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Speaker 3: It's not just your name on a trophy. It's far

488
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: more than that. You know, success in the Constructors Championship

489
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Speaker 3: can go a huge way in terms of paying or

490
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Speaker 3: setting up your annual budget for the coming season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would just sort of end on the

492
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Speaker 1: note that Christian Horner has to own. I mean, he's

493
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Speaker 1: damned if he doesn't. Damned if he doesn't. Either he

494
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: keeps Pairs and he loses the title, or he sacks

495
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: Pairs and they lose the title. Anyway, and the decision

496
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Speaker 1: is going to be his one way or another, shared

497
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: by management. But he's the team prince of all. But

498
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Speaker 1: if you're a member of staff and you feel like

499
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Speaker 1: your team princes dithering and you lose the Constructor's title

500
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: of result, Let's say Perry's get sacked in September. Whoever

501
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: comes in is doing a great job, but it's too late.

502
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: That's going to hurt and for Christian Huna, who, let's say,

503
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: has not had the greatest year. I think that's fair

504
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: to say. You wouldn't want to put yourself at risk

505
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: of losing the team, losing morale, or losing faith in leadership.

506
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting additional element to it. But

507
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: the can's been kicked down the road, so we'll be

508
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: talking about this again before too long. I think Matt.

509
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: Let's move on now to the Belgian Grand Prix. Look

510
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: back at the final race before the mid season break,

511
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Speaker 1: and it was maybe one of our most interesting yet.

512
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Speaker 1: And I'm very pleased to say that. We say this

513
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: pretty much after every race these days ever since. In

514
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: Miami Grand Prix, really but non stop interesting Grand Prix

515
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: except for Monaco, of course, but that's usually the way

516
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: it goes. George Russell won it, and then he did

517
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Speaker 1: not win it any longer because he was disqualified for

518
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,719
Speaker 1: being one and a half kilos underweight. This has been

519
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: linked back Matt to him running this extraordinary one stop

520
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: strategy which saw him complete thirty four laps on a

521
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: single set of hard tires to close the race. Ridden

522
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: inspired call, driven mostly by the driver but also by

523
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Speaker 1: the team. Thought they had nothing to lose and actually

524
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: they had everything to win. One of the great I mean,

525
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: he can't be looked back upon as one of his

526
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: great career victory. He's only had a few so far,

527
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: but in time they had more, because it doesn't count

528
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: as victory anymore, one of the great drives, which makes

529
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: it all the more gutting. But it's been linked back

530
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: to this because something that I will be honest, I

531
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: have never thought about this before in my entire time

532
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: covering Formula one. But the tires lose weight over the race.

533
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: That has to be accounted for, and it appears that

534
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: it was not accounted for.

535
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: That That's exactly why, and this is one of the

536
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: vagaries of spot. This is exactly why at the end

537
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: of a race you'll see drivers on the call down

538
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: that move offline is to pick up detritus off the

539
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: side of the track, you know, the marbles and whatever

540
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: else they can do to add weight to because obviously,

541
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: as you wear the tread down, and yeah, there is

542
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: less tread, there is less rubber, there is less tire,

543
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: there is less weight. So yeah, the fact that he

544
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: wore the tires down more than was originally anticipated. Formerly

545
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: one tires are comparatively heavy. They're about twelve kilos or something.

546
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 3: Off the top of my head. Someone will go and

547
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: fact check me, and that proved me utterly wrong.

548
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: But they are.

549
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 3: They're heavy because they are so big. But the vagary

550
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: of spis because it's such a long lap. You don't

551
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 3: complete a cool down lap and at the end of

552
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 3: the race, you got around the source and you turn

553
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: back up and drive in pit exit and that's that's

554
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: your cool down lap. So the only opportunity you've got

555
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: to cover your tires in absolute muck to try and

556
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: bolster that post race weight is thel source happen where

557
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 3: there's not much there, and then you're straight in pit lane.

558
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, I can I can totally see how that

559
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: could be a fact. I don't think there was anything

560
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: untoward for Mercedes whatsoever. You'd be foolish to do that

561
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: because you will get caught. It was just a live

562
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: strategy decision with unexpected outcomes as a result of an

563
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: extraordinary drive, and I think George himself needs to be

564
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: applauded not only for the drive, but for the capacity

565
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: that he had to analyze the race and propose an

566
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 3: alternate strategy that proved better than what the boffins on

567
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: pit Wall, with all their spreadsheets and predictions and simulations

568
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: could come up with. He won that race until he didn't,

569
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: which is ironic given that the last time a race

570
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 3: winner was excluded was the nineteen ninety four Belgium Grand

571
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: Prix when Michael Schumacher spun over the exit curb at

572
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: Fanya she cane from memory and wore the plank down

573
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: too much in places, and it was disqualified for that.

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00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: I remember that one. Well, I'm showing my age, but yeah,

575
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: it's a rarity. In foremo one one of the extra

576
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: things that we can add to our list of things

577
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: that we've seen for the first time ever or in

578
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: quite a long time, that have so far occurred in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.

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00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean dis qualifications to begin with the pretty rare

581
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: in Formula one, so that in itself is remarkable, and

582
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: that just happened to be the race winner is even

583
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: more interesting or unusual. It is a It was a

584
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: great drive, you said. Good use of the word to

585
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: tritus as well. We don't use that enough in podcasts,

586
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: a great drive, because it really illustrated how big a

587
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: role a driver has in feeling the conditions. We normally

588
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: only talk about this one. It's wet, and we think, oh,

589
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: it's slippery enough for slicks whatever. But this was something

590
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: aptly different in a way we don't normally think about it.

591
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: It was partly because of Saturday's wet weather running, which

592
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: meant it was this break in the understanding of what

593
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: was a mostly resurfaced track or about fifty percent maybe

594
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more than fifty century surface track, and

595
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: that changed the character but a little bit, particularly the

596
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: way the ties were interacting with the track. A lot

597
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: of boring tire stuff, I know, but that is of

598
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 1: course part of it, the same thing that connects the

599
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: card to the ground. His feel for that, his feel

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00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: for the longevity of the tires, also his feel most

601
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: importantly for a Mercedes car that had had some fairly

602
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: significant changes made to it on Friday night or Saturday

603
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: morning and then fundamentally couldn't be validated or analyzed because

604
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: of the wet weather running. He had such a good

605
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: feel for all of those things that he could understand

606
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: how to get to the end of the race with

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00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: a one stop strategy. He did say, of course, he

608
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: didn't think he was going to win it. Until maybe

609
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: the last ten or fifteen laps. Only then it dawned

610
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: on him. They all thought that were just aiming for

611
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: fifth up until then, I think, or maybe he thought

612
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: a podium could have been on the cards, but just

613
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: a tremendous way to feel through the race and matter.

614
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: For me, this was really interesting because George Russell up

615
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: until now, and I really mean up until very recently,

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00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: I think it developed a little bit of a reputation

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00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: that when victory was on the cards, he had a

618
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: habit of I don't want to say cracking under pressure

619
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: because that's not correct, of sort of overthinking it, over

620
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: driving a little bit, or getting almost a little bit

621
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: over excited and trying to do too much too quickly,

622
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: and that overwhelmed him a little bit, you know. The

623
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: biggest example, of course, was Singapore last year, where he

624
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: crashed out of that pursuit of podium and victory. We

625
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: saw in Canada as well, just didn't manage that race

626
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: very well from pole position and let it slip past him.

627
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: His win in Austria came to him, so I don't

628
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: really count that as evidence one way or the other.

629
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: He was driving a perfectly good race, not expecting to

630
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: suddenly win it, but this one was the complete opposite.

631
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: Had to really earn it, go out and get it.

632
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Required extremely good management. And then of course the defense

633
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: against Lewis Hamilton, when it was very clear that victory

634
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: was on the cards, was perfect against the Mercedes that

635
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: had faster ties. Yes, overtaking was difficult this weekend, but

636
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: he had Hamilton behind him plus an Oscar Piastri for

637
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: the last lap or so and was faultless. So I

638
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: think if your Mercedes thinking what post Lewis Hamilton life

639
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: looks like, particularly if, as we all expect now Andrea

640
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: Kimi Antonelli's in the other car, you must feel pretty

641
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: heartened after a performance like this.

642
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 3: You mentioned a point in there that I think is

643
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: being overlooked in George's ability to get that result across

644
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: the line, which is, well, get to get to the line,

645
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: get across the line. Also, we didn't kind of the result,

646
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: didn't get really across the line, did it. But one

647
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: thing that's been overlooked is the DRS zone. It was

648
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 3: seventy five meters shorter this year. That made it far

649
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: more difficult to pass on the camel straight and as

650
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,479
Speaker 3: a result, it made defending not significantly easier, but a

651
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: little bit easier, and some canny management of his energy

652
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: from Russell meant that he was in a position where

653
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: he could defend. If you wind that race back twelve

654
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 3: months and you apply that the DRS zone that was

655
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 3: in use, then probably a very different race outcome. George

656
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 3: would probably have finished third because Oscar wouldn't have lost

657
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 3: the time behind behind the Claire Lewis would have cruised

658
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: up on the back of George and gone past. A

659
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,399
Speaker 3: big part of the way that race unfolded was the

660
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: inability to pass.

661
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 2: And that had a huge.

662
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: A huge being on that was the shorter DRS zone,

663
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: which I don't really know how I feel about that.

664
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: I'm a traditionalist. I don't like DRS. I feel it's

665
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: I feel it cheapens the art of overtaking. But I'm

666
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: also a realist and a pragmacism and I understand the

667
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: need for it in modern Formula one in that the

668
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: cars have changed, the technology is such another that it's

669
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 3: just passing is difficult, because following is difficult.

670
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: If you don't have the grip, you can't follow, you

671
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: can't get close enough, you can't pass. It's that simple.

672
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's I don't know how I feel about DRS,

673
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: and as a result, I don't really know how I

674
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: feel about George getting across the line as he did,

675
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: beyond acknowledging the role that DRS played. But that's not

676
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,439
Speaker 3: to take anything away from George, because he recognized that

677
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: and played it to his advantage and that's why he

678
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 3: was able to transform what should have been a P

679
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: four or P five into first of the flag.

680
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: I think the DRS zone this weekend was just about right.

681
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: Like I hear comments about not liking DRS and it'd

682
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: be great to find a world informa on and we

683
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: don't have that. Well, the dronis rules technically push the pass,

684
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: don't have it. But yes he's pushed the pass, as

685
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: we all know. We'll talk about that some other point.

686
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: It's a shame of this way it is. But I

687
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: actually think if you have a well calibrated zone, and

688
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: it's very hard to do because performance of the cars

689
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: change every year, et cetera, et cetera, strategy and all

690
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but it actually does enhance the

691
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: racing in a way that still requires racing. It just

692
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: brings it into that zone. In the way in visits,

693
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: and I think actually it was about right this weekend

694
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: because we saw it. Like you say, defending was easier,

695
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, but passing was still possible. Like I

696
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: think of Osco Piastri passing Charlotte Clair. Yes, you needed

697
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: a tire advantage, but that's just kind of the way

698
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: it is Informula one. Cars of similar performances don't find

699
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: it easy to pass one another. That's kind of the

700
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: way it is. At some point we have to accept

701
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: that to a degree. But we saw enough passes that

702
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: made me think, actually, I think it was a generally

703
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: good race, not even strategically, just some good racing, good action, defending, overtaking,

704
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: had a little bit of everything, including a disqualification. So

705
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's and I feel good for Joe Bauer.

706
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, the technical delegate doesn't get to disqualify cars

707
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: that often. Well he did to last year, I suppose,

708
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: so he's having a real purple patch at the moment.

709
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: But he must be very must be very satisfied when

710
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: you find a car that's finally broken the technical rules

711
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: and you get them, get them joke. So it's good,

712
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: good result really for everyone.

713
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't one of the cars he excluded last year

714
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: Mercedes as well.

715
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Lewis Hamilton conspiracy, but we all know there was

716
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: probably more cars that were illegal in CODA last year.

717
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 4: They weren't discussing.

718
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 3: Joe Bowry is very good at his job in Fairtas

719
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: and the teams do run it very close, but most

720
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: of the time they get it right.

721
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's coincidental.

722
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: Yes, all just a coincidence. And you know George Russ

723
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: will be back fighting harder, and Mercedes too, because of

724
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: course it would have been a one to finish that

725
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: has now gone begging. But Lewis Hamilton windy second of

726
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: the year and Mercedes still claims it's the third from

727
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: the last four, which when I wrote down I almost

728
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: couldn't believe. But here we are remarkable recovery from Mercedes

729
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: to go into the mid season break. But Matt, we

730
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: cannot go to the mid The season is not over.

731
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Half season is not over because the final points have

732
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: not been awarded after the Belgian Grand Prix. It is time,

733
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: of course for our weekly ratings. I don't know where

734
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: we've got a formal title for this title.

735
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: Table, so I'll share a tale and perhaps this will

736
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: give us a give us a title for it. I

737
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: stole this idea. It actually long to two blokes. I

738
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 3: used to sort of tenuously work with Glenn Crompton and

739
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: Rob Margate, who used to write a similar sort of

740
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: column after each event for a website.

741
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: That's that.

742
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: I started my career with pitpass dot com and they

743
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: used to write this many many moons ago with along

744
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 3: very similar lines, and they called it the Alternative Championship.

745
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: So I kind of like that, and you know, I'm

746
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: good mates with with Crompo. Let's let's keep that one going.

747
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: Let's call it the Alternative Championship because it's very alternative.

748
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: There is nothing mainstream or normal about this, this leaderboard

749
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 3: whatsoever for those that aren't across it. Basically, we take

750
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: a look at the race weekend and we give out

751
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 3: an arbitrary or take away an arbitrary number of points.

752
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 3: It could be that driver has new shoes and they're

753
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 3: pretty spiffy. It could be that, you know, a team

754
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 3: is completely ballsed up a strategy somewhere along the lines.

755
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 3: But this week I'm going to kick things off. I'm

756
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: going to give George Russell twenty five points because I think, yes,

757
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 3: his car was underweight, but he drove a superb race

758
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: from the cockpit, not just in managing the race, but

759
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: in terms of shaping the strategy and out smarting the boffins.

760
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: As I said before.

761
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think he deserves twenty five points supreme

762
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: from George.

763
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to start off. That's a good call. I

764
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: like that as well. It's only those were real points.

765
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to start in the traditional way, which is

766
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: taking points off someone, and that is Christian Horner. I'm

767
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: removing one hundred and thirty one points from Christian for

768
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: describing Sergo Peri's's form earlier in the year is unsustainable,

769
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: but then keeping him anyway. One hundred and thirty one

770
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: points is how many Sogo Perrys has. So I think

771
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: this just reinforces to him the unsustainability of having him

772
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: in the team.

773
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: He needs a big half of the year, doesn't he.

774
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 2: He answered Joe.

775
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, I like that. I see

776
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 3: where you've gone with it. That's not bad, that's not bad.

777
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 3: I mean Christian was on on our leaderboard. He was

778
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,959
Speaker 3: on a very healthy zero because we both were both Yeah,

779
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 3: it had points added and taken away in quick succession.

780
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: So he was he was floating on zero, which actually

781
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: put him fifth or sixth in the standing, strangely enough.

782
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, he plummets down the order now speaking plummeting

783
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: down the order.

784
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 4: Not quite.

785
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: I'm taking one point five points away from Mercedes. Full

786
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 3: marks to you. If you can guess why I've chosen

787
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 3: one point five.

788
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: It's zero point three times.

789
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: That's what I think about what I'm going for.

790
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so the the the margin by which Russell's

791
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: car was underweight is the number of points I'm taking

792
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: away from SA. I'm not taking too many, because ultimately

793
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 3: that's that's a nuance of the circle. Any other venue

794
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: and they probably have got away with it, but because

795
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: it was SPA, yeah they came acropper. But you know,

796
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: full marks for alling the dies, for trusting in their driver.

797
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: I like that.

798
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 3: I want to see more of it. I want less

799
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: simulations and more more trust and faith in driver's butts.

800
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: Look, that's yep, you could leave it.

801
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: Like that.

802
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to give points now. It is rare, a

803
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: nice round ten points. I was going to give this

804
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: to the FIA, but I think I'm even going to

805
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: give a particular nod to John Todd, the former president

806
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: of the FIA, for knocking heads together in twenty twenty.

807
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: I suppose it was COVID year and implementing the budget

808
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: cap and the development restrictions at least a year ahead

809
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: of what had been planned, and the budget cap was

810
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: lowered in fact, because it does feel like we're finally

811
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: getting the dividends from those decisions. The closeness of the

812
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: season took a couple of rounds to get there this year,

813
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: but man, it's paying off big time. Is I think

814
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: in no small part down to the fact that Formulae

815
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: finally does have some equalization measures. Inn It will take longer,

816
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: of course for the bottom five teams to catch up,

817
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: but we have seen from McLaren and Mercedes in the

818
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: last year unless they're extended Aston Martin last year as well,

819
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: the big jumps are possible when you get all your

820
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: ducks lined in a row. And I think that is

821
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: absolutely down to these equalization measures and we're all reaping

822
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: the rewards for it. So ten points to Jent Tires.

823
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: I like that.

824
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: I do because it is it's and it's not even

825
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: just this year. We've got a whole another year of

826
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: this to come. Oh yes, where there's more chance for

827
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: more teams to get into it. So yeah, that's a

828
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: that's a good shout, that is, and it puts to

829
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 3: rest the memories of the twenty twenty one Belgium Grand

830
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 3: Prix as well.

831
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 4: I don't forget the second worst thing that happened.

832
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 3: I think always do air whenever I mentioned that event,

833
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: I still don't consider a real race, despite what the

834
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: history books say.

835
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: Speaking of history books, this one's going to go down in.

836
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: History as a momentous occasion for this driver. Plus fifteen

837
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: points for Oscar Piastre basically finishing third. I think he

838
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 3: had a really good drive, was knocking on the door,

839
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 3: but for a couple of laps was probably going to

840
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: get there, and had DRS been a little bit more powerful,

841
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 3: we probably had a good shot at winning the race.

842
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: But still he beat his more highly rated teammate Lando Norris.

843
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: He is the second highest point scorer in recent races.

844
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 2: You know, he's doing a lot.

845
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: And what I really liked about it is if you

846
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 3: wind the clock back even sort of to this race

847
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: last year, he faded as it went on. He didn't

848
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: he got stronger in the closing laps, which shows that

849
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 3: things that he's been working on, tire management, race management,

850
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: all those sorts of things starting to bear fruit. There

851
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: is genuine progress being made there, and it's happening before

852
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: our very eyes. We actually stop and look at it.

853
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 3: So I think that that deserved a plus fifteen for

854
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: our oscar.

855
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: He's only actually there's a bit of numerology for he's

856
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: only fifteen points behind Maxwstaffen in the Driver's Championship of

857
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: the last eight rounds. So that's quite good. I think

858
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: you mean last year's Hungarian Grand Prix faded right, because

859
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: last year's Belgian Grand Prix, well, he certainly that's right.

860
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,720
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you're right, crashed out, fade quickly.

861
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 4: It was very bad. Great spread back what you're saying.

862
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: Look, I'll bring it home with a traditional minus some points.

863
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 1: Minus nine points goes to David Croft, the Sky Sports

864
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: F one commentator, for continuously calling Turn nine the corner

865
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 1: with no name, when in fact it has two names.

866
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: He could be choosing from either Speaker's Corner or Jackie Yickx.

867
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Speaker 1: It certainly has more than enough names to deserve a name.

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00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: I also have a thing about corner names. I don't

869
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: think you're as cool as you think you are. If

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Speaker 1: you know all the corner names.

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Speaker 2: On it, you are you are pete cool.

872
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: If you know the corner, I'm going to die on

873
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 3: this hill.

874
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: No, what's the hill?

875
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Speaker 2: So that one.

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Speaker 1: There go, Well, that's interesting, isn't it. I just think

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Speaker 1: that if you're going to commit to the names, use

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Speaker 1: one of the names.

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Speaker 3: But Speaker's name was never an official corner name, and

880
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Speaker 3: I believe Jackie Iks.

881
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Speaker 4: Has recording to the web Jackie.

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Speaker 2: Ks has rejected the name the corner.

883
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Speaker 4: Did he reject it?

884
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 3: I was wondering why, Yeah, so I believe he said no, no,

885
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: I don't want it all whatever. I must admit I

886
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: haven't gone and actually followed that up. But that's my understanding.

887
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Speaker 3: So I've always still speakers see that by that logic

888
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 3: is poor poor? Or is it double gush?

889
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Speaker 1: Yeah? So this is the other thing. I don't like

890
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: corner names, especially.

891
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 2: About boat Bussel.

892
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, well, it should be bus that's what the

893
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: circuit organizers say. And it's also the same. It's not Stavo,

894
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: it's now campus.

895
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Speaker 4: I know that is what the corner.

896
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 2: So there's two parts to that.

897
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Speaker 3: A nerd no so the first as you come out

898
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: of fan, you that first right hand of the almost

899
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 3: ninety degree that's Campus and then the widest sweeping right

900
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: hander that almost immediately follows that Stavalo.

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00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 4: Is that not Paul?

902
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: So that's a little bit further on. That's the kink before.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of there's a lot of misunderstandings about

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00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: the corner names.

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00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 5: No, no, I don't want to even talk about I

906
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 5: hate that. Discussions my least favorite discussions in Formula one

907
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 5: not worth it. I'd say we should go back to numbers,

908
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 5: but no one can even agree on how many turn

909
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: numbers there are. This circuit depends entirely which sport.

910
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 3: And can I know exactly who's getting maximum minus points

911
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 3: for my leaderboard next next week? And that's I think

912
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: the Nisues might be m l for his stance on

913
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: corner numbers, as long.

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Speaker 1: As it's not as much as I took off the

915
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: British a few ways ago.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking one hundred and sixty two thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: That's disappointing. On that note, that's all the time. We

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00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,239
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00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,880
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