WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 3 September

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Life. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>have you Tuesday? Lots to get to Let's not muck around,

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to a very big show. Now you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to believe the numbers I have for you tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you haven't seen them anywhere else. And it

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<v Speaker 1>is about just how much tax we all collectively pay,

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<v Speaker 1>so not one, but all three levels of government. This

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<v Speaker 1>one is wild. It gets bigger by the quarter, or

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<v Speaker 1>get to that in a second. Now, you and I

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<v Speaker 1>of course know that youth crime is a crisis no

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<v Speaker 1>matter where you happen to live, City regional areas particular.

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<v Speaker 1>Focus on Queensland at the moment because there's an election

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<v Speaker 1>where you might be able to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But over in Lefty Land, nothing to see here, an

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<v Speaker 1>extraordinary bit of tape I'll have for you in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The Great Nigel Farage joins us from the UK. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk Trump, but we'll also talk about the UK

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<v Speaker 1>cracking down on smoking. And he doesn't want them to

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<v Speaker 1>do it because he says they could end up like Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Not good when we're the bad example of the way

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<v Speaker 1>things are working. But first, yet again, more bad weather

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<v Speaker 1>and yet again incredible efforts from people who are volunteering

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<v Speaker 1>to help others and those that are paid to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>For the past well twenty four hours or so. About

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hours of those there was a yacht off New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales that was considered to be drifting afloat and

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<v Speaker 1>virtually lost at sea. Thankfully, the mayde call ended up

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<v Speaker 1>getting heard and police ended up making their way towards it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the nineteen hours were extraordinary. Now, I am not

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<v Speaker 1>the best person when it comes to sea legs. Even

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<v Speaker 1>the ferry from Frio to Rottenest Island was a little

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<v Speaker 1>too much for me, so I can't imagine what this

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<v Speaker 1>experience was like for them. But thankfully these people have

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<v Speaker 1>been saved. It's two people, and police confirmed tonight that

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<v Speaker 1>the skill of those who go towards people on their

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<v Speaker 1>worst day, it doesn't matter if it's on land or

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<v Speaker 1>at sea, the cops will turn up. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>we love them on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a matter of just basically timing it, as you

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<v Speaker 2>saw probably some of that video and that they got

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<v Speaker 2>in and next day bounce off, like getting people the

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<v Speaker 2>person to jump as they're coming in, getting a jump

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<v Speaker 2>and catch.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing one at a time now. I said it

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<v Speaker 1>last night, I'll say it again. It wasn't just blowing

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<v Speaker 1>a gale in Melbourne today, but it was going hard

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<v Speaker 1>enough to blow a dog off chain. And again, huge

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<v Speaker 1>reaction there when it comes to the police and emergency services.

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to focus in on Tazzy now because

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<v Speaker 1>their weather has been just as terrible as other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the country in the past few days. But believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or not, a couple of people decided to go

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<v Speaker 1>hiking in all of this stuff. They decided to go

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<v Speaker 1>up Mount Wellington. Now Mount Wellington is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great natural beauties of our country. But the idea that,

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<v Speaker 1>in whether like has been building in Tazzy for the

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<v Speaker 1>past couple of days, that you go hiking is absolute madness.

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<v Speaker 1>Well police were able to locate these people in the

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<v Speaker 1>past day. Extraordinary again that they put their own lives

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<v Speaker 1>at risk to go and save other people who needlessly

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<v Speaker 1>put their lives and their rescuers at risk. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>got to say, someone agree with the Premier who absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>has given it to the people who decided to go

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<v Speaker 1>marching around in pretty awful weather in Tazzy. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>the premiere today.

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<v Speaker 3>We had fourteen bushwalkers rescued just so night, as I

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<v Speaker 3>understand it, and.

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<v Speaker 1>The look that is simply ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>We cannot afford to have any resources diverted simply because

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<v Speaker 3>of people's stupidity.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not eating those warnings hundred percent correct. Little remembered

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<v Speaker 1>fact about the bush fires of twenty nineteen into twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the Black Saturday stuff, a couple of fires ended up

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<v Speaker 1>merging because in the very small window that they had

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<v Speaker 1>to fight those fires, they had to go looking for

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<v Speaker 1>people who had gone down to what I remember to

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<v Speaker 1>be a nude beach at the time. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>put yourself above the natural environment, the natural environment's always

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<v Speaker 1>going to get you. But if you put yourself above

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<v Speaker 1>the people who were dealing with other natural disasters, well,

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<v Speaker 1>while we don't want anyone to get hurt, the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that the resources get diverted, they become very frustrating. But

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<v Speaker 1>well done to all the volunteers, all the pros that

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<v Speaker 1>are out there and helping everyone around the country at

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<v Speaker 1>this annoying time when it comes to the weather ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of a very long summer, where as always something will

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<v Speaker 1>go wrong. Now today we've got a bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>insight into just how much money all levels of Australian

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<v Speaker 1>government have now. Taxation has never been higher. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been nerver, more people, more people paying their taxes. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course the single biggest source of revenues that go

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<v Speaker 1>to the federal government in particular, is not company tax.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the GST, it's not the amount of money

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<v Speaker 1>that they get off for coal or gas. It's off

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<v Speaker 1>people who work and the payers you go system. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that plenty of people do their best to try

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<v Speaker 1>to get the healthiest tax return they possibly can, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as Kerry Packer said, why would you end up paying

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<v Speaker 1>more to people who often waste it? Perfect example Jim

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<v Speaker 1>Charmers and the way that he has been not managing

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<v Speaker 1>our economy. They've spent hundreds of millions of dollars on

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<v Speaker 1>political slogans, not actual solutions to anything, but political slogans.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty five dollars a month credit for power bills on

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<v Speaker 1>everything from mansions to one bedroom units in the bush.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just so they can say they're helping two little

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<v Speaker 1>too late tax cuts which result in just fourteen dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a week for people who truly need it. At the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course there's the premiers, and the premiere

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<v Speaker 1>is well, they are spending like drunken salors to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent right now that they are one of the big

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<v Speaker 1>driving forces the amount of projects that they have on

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<v Speaker 1>offer that are currently pushing up inflation and making inflation

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<v Speaker 1>so difficult to get on top of. But let's have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at the money that all of these people

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<v Speaker 1>are getting, that the political class gets and peddles up

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<v Speaker 1>against the wall every single day, while at the same

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<v Speaker 1>time more people are suffering than ever before. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense, does it. Well again, the far right wing

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<v Speaker 1>thing tank known as the Bureau of Statistics are the

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<v Speaker 1>ones who can give us an idea here, because have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at this. This is how much tax has

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<v Speaker 1>been taken by all three levels of government. Two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty six thousand million dollars otherwise known as two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty six b four billion dollars. Not two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty six million dollars, but two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six thousand million dollars. Extraordinary, right, that's up seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>percent the total revenue in terms of government when you

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<v Speaker 1>put everything together, ends up being about two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy million dollars, sorry, billion dollars, that is the revenue

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<v Speaker 1>that is coming in. The numbers are that big. It

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<v Speaker 1>is extraordinary the amounts of money that are coming through

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<v Speaker 1>to the federal and state budgets. But jeez, I know

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<v Speaker 1>how to spend it as well. If you've got in

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<v Speaker 1>a year two hundred and seventy billion dollars going out

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<v Speaker 1>the door coming in the door, then can somebody explain

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<v Speaker 1>how you've got the best part of two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five billion that is going out the door. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I talk about with the structural deficit, that if

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<v Speaker 1>the government doesn't increase the amount of money that it

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<v Speaker 1>gets in revenue, the amount that it is committed to

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<v Speaker 1>in spending becomes what we call a structural deficit. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the document here it was about in millions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and fifty five thousand million dollars is two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty five billion dollars, thirty thousand million is

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<v Speaker 1>thirty billion dollars. All of it up up, up, But

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<v Speaker 1>whose life actually changes, Whose life is actually the better

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<v Speaker 1>off for all of this money going around, Apart from

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<v Speaker 1>the politicians who, of course, are the ones who make

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<v Speaker 1>it seem like it's their money that they're handing out. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're so grateful to you twenty five dollars a month

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<v Speaker 1>on power bills that were supposed to go down by

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and seventy five dollars. Remember, Oh, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was just a promise to get into an election.

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<v Speaker 1>Who cares? Now? Interestingly, there was a fact that was

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<v Speaker 1>around in I believe a Redbridge pole. The way that

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it was in an analysis which was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>strangely pro government, or at the very least anti opposition,

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<v Speaker 1>written by old Auntie p k over there at the ABC.

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<v Speaker 1>But we get to this point. If you think about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this government spans hundreds of billions of dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>fifty seven percent of people, when asked by Redbridge, had

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<v Speaker 1>the following answer of no. To this question, can you

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<v Speaker 1>name something the federal government, led by Anthony Obenezy has

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<v Speaker 1>done since being elected to make your life better in

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<v Speaker 1>any way? Fifty seven percent of the country says no. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we start getting into the mid sixties if you

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<v Speaker 1>break the unsure number in half, but most of the

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<v Speaker 1>unsure we'll end up at no roughly sixty percent of

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<v Speaker 1>Australians so they cannot name a single thing the government

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<v Speaker 1>has done since being elected, not the little too late

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<v Speaker 1>tax cuts, not twenty five dollars when it comes to power,

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<v Speaker 1>no changes for this, that and the other fifty seven percent,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's with the media, that of course gives the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest possible version of all of the numbers. Remember how

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about that in the run up to the

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<v Speaker 1>two little too late tax cuts, where of course rather

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<v Speaker 1>than having a look at what they are per week

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<v Speaker 1>or fortnite or per month, which is how people get paid.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the spin doctors in and around the camera

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<v Speaker 1>media are doing their bit for the government that they prefer. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they were giving the biggest, the annual number, the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>possible numbers. Again, despite their efforts, fifty seven percent of

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<v Speaker 1>people telling a pholster they can't name one thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>made their lives better. Another example too, about how life

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<v Speaker 1>is going to get a little tougher at the shops

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<v Speaker 1>in the next little while. Now I won't bore you

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<v Speaker 1>with this, but essentially we got some numbers today about

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<v Speaker 1>the difference about the amount of money that we spend

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<v Speaker 1>on importing things into the country versus the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>money that we made exporting things to the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Now, most of what we buy in the

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<v Speaker 1>shops we know is made somewhere else, which meant that

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be imported into the country. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there are many industries that do their best to try

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<v Speaker 1>to make things here to get them exported to the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of the world. But surprise, surprise, guess what has

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<v Speaker 1>happened under the watch of Anthony Albernezi and Grimjim. We

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<v Speaker 1>have gone from more money being made out of what

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<v Speaker 1>we send to the world to now spending more money

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<v Speaker 1>on what comes in from the world. Put simply, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a surplus which used to be that we made.

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<v Speaker 1>We exported twelve point one billion dollars more than we

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<v Speaker 1>imported before this government came to power, and now we

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<v Speaker 1>import ten point seven billion dollars more than we export,

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<v Speaker 1>a turn around of twenty to zero point six b

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<v Speaker 1>four billion dollars. We import more from the world when

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<v Speaker 1>we used to export more to the world. Another thing

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<v Speaker 1>that has changed on this government's watched, but nobody will

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it because generally speaking, people only look at

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<v Speaker 1>the US dollar through the eyes of somebody who may

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<v Speaker 1>will be traveling overseas. But of course the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>a higher or lower Australian dollar affects how much the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff is that we have to buy in US dollars

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<v Speaker 1>from overseas to come into the country versus of course

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<v Speaker 1>what we export. And when we are currently importing financially

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<v Speaker 1>way more than we are exporting, the bill goes up

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<v Speaker 1>because the value of the Australian dollar continues to go down.

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<v Speaker 1>In March, before these people became the government, it was

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five US cents, now sixty seven US cents. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who's traveling knows the difference between seventy five and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven. Now, imagine if you're importing and you're buying

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<v Speaker 1>one thousand somethings from somewhere else, or you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>export one thousand somethings from here to somewhere else. Now again,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the daily data that we get, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>the spin and the bs that comes from Jim Charmers,

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<v Speaker 1>not a doctor in economics, but a doctor in the

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<v Speaker 1>politics of how Paul Keating talked about economics. Well, Jim Charmers,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, is trying to pretend that it's all

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<v Speaker 1>the Reserve Bank's fault, not his own government's fault. Who remember,

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<v Speaker 1>along with state and local government, is getting more money

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<v Speaker 1>than they have ever gotten the history of Australian governments.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're also spending more even than the record money

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<v Speaker 1>that is coming in. Well, thankfully people are with me

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<v Speaker 1>and pushing back on the garbage of this bloke trying

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<v Speaker 1>to yet again shift blame from his own economic responsibilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Great article in the Financial Review Today opinion section. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Hamilton, who was in aus says if only focused

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<v Speaker 1>a little less on managing political expectations and a little

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<v Speaker 1>more on managing inflation expectations, we might have avoided this

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<v Speaker 1>mess in the first place. Charmers is the worst treasurer

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<v Speaker 1>since Jim Cans. Jim Can's was goth Whitlam's treasurer, and

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<v Speaker 1>this labor government is the most economically incompetent in half

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<v Speaker 1>a century. Now again, I am not, in any way,

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<v Speaker 1>shape or form somebody would even profess to have any

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<v Speaker 1>level of expertise beyond the most obvious basic working knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>of economics. But night after night after night, information that

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<v Speaker 1>does not come from right wing blogs or think tanks,

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<v Speaker 1>but comes from the Bureau of Statistics tells us the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of Australia's economy. It also via that polling reminds

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<v Speaker 1>us that despite the noise that comes out of Canberra,

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<v Speaker 1>if fifty seven percent of Australians cannot tell us a

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<v Speaker 1>single thing that this has done to make their life better,

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<v Speaker 1>then this election that is coming up sooner rather than

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<v Speaker 1>later is going to be fascinating. Now again, I know

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<v Speaker 1>the path to seventy six for the opposition is tight,

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<v Speaker 1>is difficult and almost impossible because of the Teals, But

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<v Speaker 1>at fifty to fifty with a Labor vote now below

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<v Speaker 1>where it was last time, with the Greens expected to

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<v Speaker 1>take multiple seats, if Labor is to be returned, it

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<v Speaker 1>will be with a minority government. A minority government that

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<v Speaker 1>will not just be a minority of one or two,

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<v Speaker 1>but many more, meaning that it is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>propped up by the true crazies of Australian politics, some

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<v Speaker 1>who claim to be independence despite the fact that they

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<v Speaker 1>all look the same, talk the same, campaign the same

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<v Speaker 1>and fund their campaigns the same, or those who don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the difference between profit and turnover. We're in for

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<v Speaker 1>a wild ride. But right now we haven't even bottomed

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<v Speaker 1>out in Australia, and that's with majority government. Tomorrow, we

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<v Speaker 1>expect to see growth figures that will be barely better

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<v Speaker 1>than the quarter. Of course, to go into a recession

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<v Speaker 1>you have to have an economy that is shrinking for

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<v Speaker 1>two consecutive quarters or six months in total. To give

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<v Speaker 1>you an idea of the Australian economy and how tight

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<v Speaker 1>it is. In the past three months we were growing

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<v Speaker 1>by zero point one percent. The expectation of the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>to come out tomorrow is that we may will be

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<v Speaker 1>growing by a grand total of zero point two percent.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are relying on an economy to have public holidays,

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift or more immigration to be the only difference

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<v Speaker 1>between a recession and microscopic growth, then you are a

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<v Speaker 1>country in trouble, a country in trouble with people in

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<v Speaker 1>charge of the economy who either know what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>and they are deliberately making the wrong choices, or people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't know what they're doing. But amazingly, fifty seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Australians cannot name a single thing that this

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<v Speaker 1>government has done to make their life better. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently it was the Prime Minister's media unit. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the problem. The boss of that has now gone because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not at all elbow that's the problem, is it now? Today?

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<v Speaker 1>In an interview we heard today that Peter Dutton believes

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<v Speaker 1>that the Liberal Party is closer than many people imagine too.

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<v Speaker 1>Look again, I'm not going to say victory because until

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<v Speaker 1>I see some numbers of the tolls that the Teals

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<v Speaker 1>are blowing away again, the Opposition is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>in an incredibly competitive spot compared to where they were

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<v Speaker 1>when they were, of course flushed from office less than

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<v Speaker 1>three years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>You poll's turty, you can win, yes, yes, So in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 4>good swings and seats to us here and seats on

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<v Speaker 4>the radar that we hadn't expected to be on the

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<v Speaker 4>radar at this point in the cycle. And in Wa

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<v Speaker 4>I think is coming back to us off a pretty

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<v Speaker 4>low bar at the last election. So you're reasonably confident

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<v Speaker 4>you'll be prime minister after the next tilection. I'm confident

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<v Speaker 4>that we can win this election and I think the

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<v Speaker 4>momentum is with us. I think the Prime Minister is

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<v Speaker 4>showing those signs of improving with time in the saddle.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, of course, all things being equal, this would be

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<v Speaker 1>quite the contest and the next election. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>the teals, as I say, they end up being this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of retaining wall for the left, one that may

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<v Speaker 1>well fall down at this election or one into the future.

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<v Speaker 1>But clearly what needs to happen is that the Liberal

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<v Speaker 1>Party has to have the tightest and smartest and well

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<v Speaker 1>funded machine possible behind the political efforts of what their

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<v Speaker 1>parliamentary leader Peter Dutton is doing to make the most

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<v Speaker 1>of the failures of this government, to have the right

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<v Speaker 1>candidates and the right seats, the right message, the right advertising,

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<v Speaker 1>the advertising that will be both nationalized state and right

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<v Speaker 1>down to the local level via social media. And for

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<v Speaker 1>that largely it is the state Liberal parties that player

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<v Speaker 1>role in that as well as yes, a federal campaign.

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<v Speaker 1>But still states play their part. They have the knowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>they have the members, they are part of the machine. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the New South Wales Liberal Party is a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been for a long time. The madness and

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<v Speaker 1>in fighting and factional nonsense means that you would prefer

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<v Speaker 1>to care about what's happening inside your party than the

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<v Speaker 1>actual enemy of your party. But as you have heard today,

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<v Speaker 1>the federal branch of the Liberal Party will take the

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales Party over after the disgrace of failing

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to get enough people and fill out

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<v Speaker 1>the paperwork for people to run a local council. I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot wait for Holly Hughes, who knows the machine but

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<v Speaker 1>is certainly not afraid of the machine, to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that and a whole lot more. As the evening rolls on,

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<v Speaker 1>she'll join us with Joe Hildebrand. Youth crime and crime

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<v Speaker 1>in general major issue around the country, because God forbid,

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<v Speaker 1>we will want to live in a safe and undisturbed Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's the way it has been in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the way it should be. Now it's way it's

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<v Speaker 1>should be into the future. But as we know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are too many people in the judiciary who give people

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<v Speaker 1>there's seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth chance, and even when ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>they get some sort of very serious punishment, it is

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere near what the victims of crime understandably want or

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<v Speaker 1>we believe they deserve. And this again is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>turn up in the polls. Earlier this year we saw

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<v Speaker 1>that a crime backlash was going to potentially play into

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<v Speaker 1>problems for the Labor Party at the federal election. Now

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<v Speaker 1>does the Prime minister have a direct correlation to policing, know,

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<v Speaker 1>But that was the same when it comes to fighting fires.

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<v Speaker 1>But people didn't care then and people shouldn't care now either.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, it's the prime minister. It's the government that

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<v Speaker 1>sets the tone, that has the money and has the

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<v Speaker 1>position to be able to say what is acceptable and

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<v Speaker 1>not acceptable in a community. Well, last night on Channel

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<v Speaker 1>two on their Question and Answer program, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>question which was delivered by a woman in a suburban

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<v Speaker 1>part of Melbourne. Now they seem to be doing this

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<v Speaker 1>as their current trick at the moment, which used to

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<v Speaker 1>find Boomer de jour to ask a question of which

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else rolls their eyes at and basically says, oh, please, please, please,

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<v Speaker 1>You've just been watching too much of Sky News in

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<v Speaker 1>prime time as opposed to all of the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>the stories of crime that not only we mentioned, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know in your real life. Here is the question.

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<v Speaker 5>Communities are having to deal with the increase in youth crime,

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<v Speaker 5>which includes housebreakings, car theft, NiFe attacks and general unacceptable behavior.

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<v Speaker 5>When are governments and authorities going to stop the excuse

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<v Speaker 5>making for law breakers and start imposing serious consequences for

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<v Speaker 5>actions I fear for the future piece of our communities.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like the smirks in some of the people

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<v Speaker 1>in the background are ohh, silly old lady talking about

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. A few snarls because how dare you

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<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of coded racism in this. Well, the panel,

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<v Speaker 1>some famous some not famous faces, of course, found every

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<v Speaker 1>excuse rather than answer her question directly, which is zero

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<v Speaker 1>crime is what we should be going for in the

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<v Speaker 1>same way that we talk about we should have zero

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<v Speaker 1>domestic violence, we should have zero assault, we should have

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<v Speaker 1>zero drink driving, we should have zero murder. But watch

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<v Speaker 1>them all dance around what should be the goal, which

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<v Speaker 1>is no crime.

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<v Speaker 6>Now the statistics, though, don't actually bear out the perception.

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<v Speaker 6>Some levels of crime are up, some are down. You

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<v Speaker 6>can't just fight it by trying to arrest everyone. We're

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<v Speaker 6>thinking about the responsibilities that we should ways of tuckling this.

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<v Speaker 1>One of it is just smart reporting about this things.

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<v Speaker 7>But some categories things are up ten to seventeen year olds,

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<v Speaker 7>but in eight en to twenty four year olds things

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<v Speaker 7>are significantly down over the last four years. First response

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<v Speaker 7>shouldn't be for a first defender to put them in

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<v Speaker 7>jail because we brea better criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like that little slide of hand. Well, look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you actually have a look at certain the statistics,

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<v Speaker 1>some of it's up and some of it's down. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I've shown you in great detail about how this little

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<v Speaker 1>trick works. Where yes, when you have say thirty different

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<v Speaker 1>categories of anything, there will be variations of up or down.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there is this other way that, particularly in

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<v Speaker 1>New South Wales, the statistics are reported on, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is when you have tens of thousands of people who

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<v Speaker 1>are the victims of sexual assault or domestic violence or

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<v Speaker 1>common assault. As long as it's not up or down

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<v Speaker 1>by a couple of thousand, it's just called stable. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw the nonsense of people saying about crime in places

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<v Speaker 1>like Paris. Well it comes with being a big city,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, in the same way that advocates every day

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<v Speaker 1>speak with absolute and care passion that the goal should

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<v Speaker 1>be zero domestic violence, it should be zero for knife crime,

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<v Speaker 1>zero for robbery, zero for stalking. In you see the

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<v Speaker 1>difference between your your feelings and what you read in

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<v Speaker 1>the media. No, no, no, you can't convince people that

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<v Speaker 1>what is the reality of their life is not the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of their life. If people know someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>a victim of crime, and they do by the tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands every year, then they know that crime is

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<v Speaker 1>coming closer to them. If you want to turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and say, well, you know ten to seventeen is a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit up, but you know eighteen to twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit down, well, what crimes are being

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<v Speaker 1>committed by ten to seventeen. Zero should be everyone's goal.

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<v Speaker 1>The reality is you can't get to zero because human

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<v Speaker 1>beings are involved, and human beings make stupid decisions. But

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you don't just turn around and say

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<v Speaker 1>to that lady, you know what, you're right, I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you. Let's stamp it out, because if the same

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<v Speaker 1>question was about a specific type of crime, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be all of their responses. No one will turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and say to that lady, well, actually, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at the statistics, it's ever so slightly this

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<v Speaker 1>and more people die in accidental falls than the category

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<v Speaker 1>of crime you're talking about, and that would be unacceptable,

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<v Speaker 1>as I believe it is unacceptable the way they answer

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<v Speaker 1>that question last night. But of course, next question, please

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<v Speaker 1>or do they still say I'll take that as a comment.

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Miles is in a world of trouble. You know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that, and it's all well deserved. He leads

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<v Speaker 1>a government that should no longer be in power. Should

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<v Speaker 1>have gone at the last election. It should have been

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<v Speaker 1>Palachet who was copying it, but she was rolled. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the one, and he's the one who is going to

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<v Speaker 1>get absolutely pummeled as the leader of a labor party

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<v Speaker 1>at the upcoming election. Crossed. Now, you would think that

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<v Speaker 1>this bloke would be at least smart enough not to

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<v Speaker 1>do stupid things with publicly funded planes, because remember earlier

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<v Speaker 1>in the year, freshly after he became premier named a

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<v Speaker 1>brand new police commissioner, they took not one but two

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<v Speaker 1>planes to go around the central and northern parts of

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<v Speaker 1>Coeensland to talk about how they were going to crack

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<v Speaker 1>down on crime. The nonsense of two planes when one

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<v Speaker 1>would have done cost one hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So you think that he would have smartened up now

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<v Speaker 1>about what he's doing with the private jet weld under

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Jones and the team of the career mar because

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<v Speaker 1>have a look at this premier Stephen Miles had an

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<v Speaker 1>eleven minute taxpayer funded flight so he could hand out

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<v Speaker 1>a birthday cake to one of his colleagues and announce

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<v Speaker 1>a brand new school fence. Premier Stephen Miles used the

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<v Speaker 1>government jet to make an eleven minute flight from Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>Bay to Bundenberg, where he celebrated his his birthday and

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<v Speaker 1>announced a new school fence. In making the short flight

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.399
<v Speaker 1>short flight, mister Miles and the Health Minister Shannon Fenterman

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<v Speaker 1>avoided driving on the notoriously dangerous single lane stretch of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bruce Highway during a week where the quality of

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the road has been in the spotlight. Don't you just

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>love these people other people's money, and even when they're

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>caught doing the wrong thing on planes, they turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and do it again because they either know their toast

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<v Speaker 1>or they don't care what you think. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably both, but it's definitely the latter. Two months, two

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<v Speaker 1>days until the United States election. The things that we

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<v Speaker 1>know that happen between now and election day is, in

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<v Speaker 1>about a week's time, there will be the debate. A

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<v Speaker 1>few days after that, early voting will start in many

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<v Speaker 1>of the states. Then Donald Trump will be sentenced potentially

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<v Speaker 1>to jail to go immediately in the New York case.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course there is the run up to

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<v Speaker 1>the election. Will be in the United States for the

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<v Speaker 1>election and many days beforehand, but our main focus will

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<v Speaker 1>be Queensland election first, then into the American election. So

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<v Speaker 1>who's winning right now? They've just had labor Day, the

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<v Speaker 1>end of summer, and this is often when you take

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<v Speaker 1>the polls to work out who's up who's down, because

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, it doesn't change very much between now and

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<v Speaker 1>the end, unless, of course, there is a debate, and

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>we all know the media has already decided Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 1>has won that debate, regardless of what actually happens or

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<v Speaker 1>what word salace she brings to it. Now, on the polls,

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<v Speaker 1>I can show you poles at say Trump's way up.

0:27:39.280 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 1>I can show you polls that say Harris's way up.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's try to pick one metric and go all

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 1>the way through betting markets. Why because that's just an

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>interesting way of looking and clearly unlike people just prognosticating,

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.400
<v Speaker 1>people have real money that they're willing to win or lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Gear Currently Trump fifty one percent chance of winning the presidency.

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<v Speaker 1>Ala Harris forty seven percent. Now, how did that happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Because you may all have noticed these seven swing states,

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<v Speaker 1>there's only two left that are considered to be genuine

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<v Speaker 1>toss ups right now, the all important Pennsylvania and statistically

0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 1>important but depending on what happens in other parts of

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>the country Nevada on the west coast. So let's have

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<v Speaker 1>a look here at why Trump is up fifty one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the bookies, he's an eighty percent chance of

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<v Speaker 1>winning the Sorry, that's a sixty percent chance of winning.

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<v Speaker 1>In North Carolina, he is a fifty eight percent chance

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<v Speaker 1>of winning. In Georgia, So again according to bookies, I

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>can show your polls in either direction. In Arizona, he

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<v Speaker 1>again is a fifty nine percent chance of winning there.

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<v Speaker 1>In Nevada sixty sorry, fifty one percent chance. So that's tight.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really tight. Sorry, I do have my glasses. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even read my own graphics here, I apologize. And

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<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania he is currently leading fifty two percent to

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<v Speaker 1>forty eight. There's also an interesting little stat that I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell you, and I won't get too detailed about

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>this on television, and it's an example of the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff that I'm looking at off the air to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get that sense of which way that it

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<v Speaker 1>is going, which is that in Pennsylvania. Of course, in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, mailing voting was one of the main ways

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>people were voting. Now Joe Biden only won the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Pennsylvania by from memory, about forty to forty thousand votes. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>for both Republicans and Democrats, the number of people asking

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<v Speaker 1>for a mailing ballot is down by a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred thousand, either meaning there's a certain series of

0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>people who don't want to vote or a bunch of

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:46.560
<v Speaker 1>people who will assume and vote in person. Now, the

0:29:46.600 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 1>assumption is that Democrats vote early, Republicans vote on time.

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<v Speaker 1>So make of that of what you will. But to

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<v Speaker 1>betting markets tonight, do not play this tape in three

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<v Speaker 1>years time, third of September East Coast time of Australia

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and nine to twenty nine at night Trump apparently just

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<v Speaker 1>in front. We'll talk about that in a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>more than Nigel Ferras a little bit later in the show,

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<v Speaker 1>but looking forward to Holly Hughes about the news of

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<v Speaker 1>oles Libs and Joe Hildebrand about how Albo saves himself

0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>from Albo. Fifty seven percent of people have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>and okaynot name one thing the government's done to make

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<v Speaker 1>their life better. Joe will have a list, but we'll

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<v Speaker 1>deal with that in a second. Oh, thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for watching Holly Hughes and Joe Hillebrand in the

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<v Speaker 1>man Cave standing by looking forward to Niger fras from

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<v Speaker 1>London nine or two times. So let's jump straight to

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<v Speaker 1>it here. Joe, why do you think Albo is in trouble?

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<v Speaker 1>Because Resolve Pole, Essential Pole News poll all say more

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<v Speaker 1>than half of the country is either dissatisfied, poor, very poor.

0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:57.000
<v Speaker 1>All of that about his performance right now and the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Ridge Pole that I just showed that fifty seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent of people can't name a thing, a single thing

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<v Speaker 1>the government's done. Why is he in trouble Because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like he's got a critical media on him.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, there's a couple of reason.

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<v Speaker 9>One is, I think everyone's doing it tough, and when

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<v Speaker 9>you're doing it tough, it's the government's fault and that's that,

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<v Speaker 9>and I think that's totally fair enough. I think the

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<v Speaker 9>other thing is that the government has sought to the

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<v Speaker 9>newspaper was particularly interesting because the parties were exactly fifty

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<v Speaker 9>to fifty for the second month in a row on

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<v Speaker 9>two Ppe, but also Peter Dutton and Anthony Albanese's approval

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 9>rating was exactly the same at minus thirteen. So Peter

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<v Speaker 9>Dutton is preferred as doing a good job as oppositional

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 9>lead and the Aberdez you're doing a good job as

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<v Speaker 9>prime minister. The public is equally dissatisfied both them. I mean,

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<v Speaker 9>talk about your double haters and.

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<v Speaker 10>Talk about clutching and find clearly right there for album.

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<v Speaker 9>I think clearly the strategy I held on to that

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<v Speaker 9>straw for about six months.

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<v Speaker 1>Clearly give me the tip. It doesn't last.

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<v Speaker 9>But clearly Labour's strategy is and it's not one unnecessarily approval,

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<v Speaker 9>but clearly they're they're.

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<v Speaker 8>Listening to me.

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<v Speaker 9>But clearly labor strategy is we know that we're on

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<v Speaker 9>the but we're just going to make Peter Dunnon even

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<v Speaker 9>more on the nose. So we know that people aren't

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 9>too fast about us, but we're just gonna we're just

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 9>going to make him look even worse. And to be honest,

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<v Speaker 9>it seems to be working. It's very reductive. I'm not

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<v Speaker 9>sure yeah, I mean, not as bad as a good.

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<v Speaker 1>But what is interesting though, when it's obvious why he's

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble because what he promised is not what's been

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<v Speaker 1>delivered on multiplicity of fronts, and we talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>in great.

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<v Speaker 10>Omites, better cost.

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<v Speaker 1>Of living, transparency, no jobs for the boys, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like you take your pick, right, there's lots of little things.

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<v Speaker 1>We've also seen a couple of We've also seen parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the left start to say, on a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of issues, I'm out right now. Obviously that's part of

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<v Speaker 1>the coalition for Labor. They'll go to the Greens, they

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>hand their preferences back. But if enough of that happens

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<v Speaker 1>in enough seats, we're talking about Greens MPs propping up

0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a minority Labor party as opposed to a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>independents from you know, Rebecca Sha or anything.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think, you know, to give Rebecca credit. I

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<v Speaker 10>don't think she'd ever back a labor government.

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<v Speaker 1>Well no, but obvi, mathematically right, So why do you

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<v Speaker 1>think I mean again, this idea that as long as

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<v Speaker 1>we all got buger, Peter Dutton will be okay. If

0:33:17.480 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton is actually articulating the things that people are

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<v Speaker 1>annoyed about about the government. I'm not entirely sure that works.

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<v Speaker 1>It's when you're a Bill Shorten and you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>overtly change the tax system, or you're running around like

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<v Speaker 1>a t rex where people will turn around and have

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<v Speaker 1>their view of you.

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<v Speaker 8>Look.

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<v Speaker 10>I find it really interesting that labor always goes on

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<v Speaker 10>this personal attack. And if you look back over Liberal

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<v Speaker 10>leaders and very successful Liberal prime ministers, when was John

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<v Speaker 10>Howard particularly popular pretty much not till he left Tony

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 10>Abbott probably the greatest opposition later this country has ever

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<v Speaker 10>seen one a huge majority. When it came to the

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:04.680
<v Speaker 10>twenty thirteen election, Australians actually don't necessarily want to elect

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 10>someone they like well they want to go and have

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 10>a beer with. They want to elect someone that they

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 10>think is competent. They want to elect someone who they

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<v Speaker 10>think will put national security first, who will be looking

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 10>after their interests, will be making sure that the immigration

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<v Speaker 10>levels are at a sustainable enough level that they can

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<v Speaker 10>afford housing, that kids can get a job, that the

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<v Speaker 10>economy is working. They don't necessarily elect someone who they

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<v Speaker 10>want to go and have a beer with, particularly when

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 10>things are going badly and I think we can all

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 10>agree things are going badly across the board in the

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 10>economy particularly, so I just think it's a stupid attack line,

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.359
<v Speaker 10>but it's one in Labour's DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Now also worth talking about here, right and again, I

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>get back to this fifty seven percent of people, so

0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>they can't say a single thing. The government's don't to

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>change their lives right now, we're told that all of

0:34:57.160 --> 0:34:58.719
<v Speaker 1>the things they've done when it comes to cost of living,

0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>they will touch someone at someon point in time. Will

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<v Speaker 1>If sixty percent of people basically are saying not me, well,

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 1>then this stuff has been on the margins. But that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>A fundamental problem that faces Team Red and Team Blue

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 1>going into this election is that you will have to

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<v Speaker 1>the left of the Labor Party. The Green's promising everything,

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>literally the Homer Simpson running for city sanitation, We're just.

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<v Speaker 8>Going to sign into law that everyone gets a house.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. We will see inevitably tougher and harder options coming

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<v Speaker 1>from one nation, potentially UAP as well.

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<v Speaker 9>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>The great difference, of course is preference discipline from the

0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Greens puts Labor in the game. If sixty percent of

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>people who vote one nation you're not at Australia Party,

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<v Speaker 1>lib DEM's all of that Libertarian Well, then they get

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Party a lot closer. What's your message to

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<v Speaker 1>the people who may be watching us tonight who are

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 1>probably not going to put Liberal first, but they're going

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere else to the right first, about what

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<v Speaker 1>they do with number two and why number two matters.

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<v Speaker 10>Number two matters if you're a center right voter, going

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 10>to the Liberals over to the rather than to the

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.160
<v Speaker 10>Labor Party and making sure that you do filter it

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 10>through the end of the day with a lot of

0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.800
<v Speaker 10>those votes as long as you put Liberal above Labor,

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 10>even if you put them both five and six, if

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:17.560
<v Speaker 10>there's six people.

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<v Speaker 1>Running, Green's lost.

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<v Speaker 10>Greens absolutely last in every seat, every seat people, but

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 10>you're absolutely conservative. Voters need to understand that whilst they

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 10>might not love some parts of the Liberal Party and

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 10>you know what pretty much with them, I understand that,

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 10>I understand that, you know, I know where a broad

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:43.120
<v Speaker 10>church a broad tent. Some would like to say, in

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.560
<v Speaker 10>my view, we're not a tent with the sides rolled

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 10>up and the sides spilling out. But I think on

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.040
<v Speaker 10>the left we might have gone a little bit too

0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 10>far in that direction. But the majority, particularly of the

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 10>Federal Parliamentary Parliamentary team, is conservative. It will always be

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 10>more conservative than a labor government, especially a Labor Greens government,

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 10>which I unfortunately think could be where we're headed. You know,

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 10>it is really important that those that do want to

0:37:11.040 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 10>vote for one nation, that want to vote for the

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:17.080
<v Speaker 10>UAP or Libertarian party. There are more libertarians, there are

0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 10>more conservatives, there are more people. I mean, you've only

0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 10>got to look. You know, Babbitt put up emotion the

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 10>other day around babies that survived failed abortions. There was

0:37:27.960 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 10>not one Labor or one Green that supported that motion.

0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 10>That was the right place for the motion to get.

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 10>There were four liberals that didn't support it. And you

0:37:38.480 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 10>know it will forever confound me on that and I

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 10>was one of the liberals.

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<v Speaker 1>That did support it.

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<v Speaker 10>But you will always get that support from the majority

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<v Speaker 10>of liberals.

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<v Speaker 8>The record, none from a neighbor. There will be no

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<v Speaker 8>Labor Green Joe, you are living in no way.

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<v Speaker 9>They will not, they will not, they will signed no documentary,

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<v Speaker 9>but they won't reject their human If the Greens want

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<v Speaker 9>to line up and support everything labor does in a

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<v Speaker 9>minority government. They will let them, but there will be

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<v Speaker 9>absolutely no signed document as there.

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<v Speaker 10>Was there wasn't there one hiller and and there will.

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<v Speaker 8>Be no deal very much.

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<v Speaker 9>They will not be a weekly means they are absolutely

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<v Speaker 9>there is no way they will.

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<v Speaker 8>Take what happens in the Senate hate them.

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<v Speaker 10>I won't say that.

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<v Speaker 9>Listen to what even Albo was saying about the Greens,

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<v Speaker 9>let alone the right of the party who have been

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<v Speaker 9>burned by these But.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, rather than what's happening now, the Libs should not

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 1>be sending preferences to the Greens to punish the Labor Party.

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.080
<v Speaker 1>The Labour Party shouldn't be sending them the deals to

0:38:43.120 --> 0:38:46.840
<v Speaker 1>punish the Liberal Party. That's absolutely, But that's what's happening

0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.879
<v Speaker 1>right now. They're they're both bleeding out while the other

0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>person has got the band.

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<v Speaker 8>You talk about second preference votes.

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<v Speaker 9>I wrote a column in the last election urging Labor

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 9>voters in Teel seats to preference the.

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 8>Liberals and they should do it again. That's that's I'll

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<v Speaker 8>tell you what.

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<v Speaker 10>Flavourship preference Liberals over to your.

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<v Speaker 1>Preference, Labor over Greens.

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<v Speaker 10>Absolutely, federal campaign called is going thankshold doing our preference

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 10>still but.

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<v Speaker 9>Gets seventy two seats, which is what seven six more

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<v Speaker 9>than it has now it can doesn't even have to

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<v Speaker 9>talk to the Teals.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's reccor sharky Andrew Rebecca is not a not

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<v Speaker 8>a till.

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<v Speaker 1>Give me.

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<v Speaker 8>They've got four votes that puts them into I don't think.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think or Beg would go for labor government.

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 9>I think that I think independents are always more likely

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<v Speaker 9>to go with the statusy gas.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what's going to be fascinating here is that

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<v Speaker 1>there is going to be seats that will be lost

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<v Speaker 1>to the coalition and there are going to be going

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 1>to be lost to the Greens. So what that mats

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>is going to look like. I still believe again that

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<v Speaker 1>until there's a movement in the Teels, that it is

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<v Speaker 1>going to end up with label with more seats, meaning

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.040
<v Speaker 1>they're off and into the negotiation and they're willing to

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<v Speaker 1>give up whatever. We saw that in twenty ten, so

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<v Speaker 1>all wait, watch and see a couple of other quick

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:13.360
<v Speaker 1>things here New So was the Liberal Party takeover again?

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people national show that don't particularly care

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 1>about the granular stuff, but I think it's great that

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the Federal Party has stepped over the state party because

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:26.240
<v Speaker 1>the state party is so beyond dysfunction. What are your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the right thing that's happened?

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<v Speaker 10>It started out well, hasn't it start out really well?

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<v Speaker 10>They've announced a three person committee, one of whom was

0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 10>never asked and can't participate.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think you should be one of the three.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know how it all works.

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<v Speaker 10>Spare I don't have spare time at the moment, but

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<v Speaker 10>I will come June to thirty thanks New South Wales

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<v Speaker 10>little party.

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<v Speaker 8>Exactly I have this time is personal.

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<v Speaker 10>Maybe be in there for that, even though you know

0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:00.759
<v Speaker 10>I'm probably of one of the worst experienced women in

0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:05.920
<v Speaker 10>the in the organizational wing, state and federal executive, et cetera,

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 10>et cetera. So I know how it works, and I've

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<v Speaker 10>got to say it is confounding me how the behavior

0:41:11.000 --> 0:41:13.680
<v Speaker 10>is going on. I did send a message to Chris

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:16.000
<v Speaker 10>Stone tonight, God love him, because I saw he's been

0:41:16.040 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 10>apparently wrote back in a state director. Gosh, that poor

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:22.479
<v Speaker 10>darling just can't escape. I did text him and say

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 10>I wonder if you were asked in the same way

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 10>Rob Stokes was, and he hasn't replied as yet, so

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 10>perhaps Chris hasn't been officially asked either, that just thought

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 10>by putting it in the media, he'll feel inclined to agree.

0:41:34.520 --> 0:41:36.440
<v Speaker 10>But you know, you made the point not getting in

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:40.520
<v Speaker 10>the weeds. Fewer viewers that are concerned about getting a

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.719
<v Speaker 10>change of government. New South Wales is the biggest state

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.839
<v Speaker 10>and you need to win the seats there, so it

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 10>might seem like you're getting in the weeds. We might

0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 10>say we're making light of it and whatever, but the

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.399
<v Speaker 10>reality is New South Wales is a state that they

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 10>need to win the most seats in. I was in

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 10>Wa next week and I know why Albo's been there

0:41:57.960 --> 0:41:59.400
<v Speaker 10>this week and everyone else because.

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<v Speaker 1>It ain't looking yeah.

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<v Speaker 10>There, but they need New South Wales to pick up

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:10.799
<v Speaker 10>the slack. It's absolutely unbelievable. I hope whoever Dunton had

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 10>in New South Wales that was apparently you know, may

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 10>have been responsible for getting a New South Wales representative

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.359
<v Speaker 10>on Perhaps dont looks for someone else since they did

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 10>so well with Rob Stokes.

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 9>But we'll see it has to be from the center, right,

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:24.359
<v Speaker 9>don't It has to be someone because.

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:25.879
<v Speaker 10>We're telling I'm from the center right and they made

0:42:25.880 --> 0:42:26.680
<v Speaker 10>sure they got rid of me.

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 8>That's what I was saying, that that's the whole problem.

0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>You're just standing up this sort of the hard.

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.800
<v Speaker 8>Left, the hard right. They don't like the middle exactly,

0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 8>and the middle is where it's all that. Baby, thank

0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 8>you always, thank you.

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, when you use your cute names on television, baby,

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.360
<v Speaker 1>what a lovely way to finish. Thank you, Joe Baby,

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.520
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much, Ally baby, Nigel Baby, next morning

0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 1>a second here on Paul Murray Live. I can't wait

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 1>for the Internet to misconstrue that. Nigel Frust joins us

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:58.040
<v Speaker 1>from the UK both broadcast are now member of Parliament.

0:42:58.040 --> 0:42:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Great man, love you to see you, and I've got

0:42:59.920 --> 0:43:02.759
<v Speaker 1>us well done for standing up for smokers. Now, let's

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.319
<v Speaker 1>be very clear, those of you who have a dart,

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.720
<v Speaker 1>those of us that have a cigar, stupid, killing ourselves slowly,

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 1>not good for kids. Give up. We get all of

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 1>that right, but it does remain a legal product. Now,

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 1>if it is a legal product, where should you be

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>able to consume it now? This, Nigel, is an interesting

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:21.919
<v Speaker 1>point because in the UK any people love a drink

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:24.279
<v Speaker 1>and they love a dart with the drink, and it's

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.319
<v Speaker 1>pretty liberal to do so. Outside but this new mob

0:43:27.360 --> 0:43:28.520
<v Speaker 1>look like they're going to get rid of that.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, we've got this new labor government who are showing

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 11>their sort of Puritan streak that they must control every

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 11>aspect of our lives.

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Look. Liberty, as you know.

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.360
<v Speaker 11>Defined by John Stuart Mill back in the nineteenth century,

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 11>is the freedom to pursue your own activities, provided they're

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 11>not to a detriment of others. All right, So if

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.440
<v Speaker 11>you go outside into a beer garden to have a smoke,

0:43:56.120 --> 0:43:58.920
<v Speaker 11>you don't have to affect anybody else unless they choose

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 11>to come in your area. And that's why these laws

0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:09.640
<v Speaker 11>are frankly unworkable. And you know, Australia is the example,

0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 11>isn't it. I mean, look at what's happened in Melbourne,

0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 11>where you've taxed cigarettes to a crazy level. You've made

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.880
<v Speaker 11>it very difficult to smoke anywhere in the state of Victoria.

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:23.120
<v Speaker 11>And now guess what's happened. The tobacco trade is in

0:44:23.160 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 11>the hands of the criminals and you've had ninety seven

0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 11>firebombings in the last two years. So I've been warning

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 11>the government here don't do what they've done in Melbourne.

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 11>Don't take a legal activity and effectively criminalize it well.

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And also you've got this very obvious double standard, right,

0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>which is the consumption of the legal product that is tobacco,

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and then the people who would like to change the

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 1>law to legalize things like cannabis. Certain states in this

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>country have changed things when it comes to drug position.

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.680
<v Speaker 1>So which is is it the puritan society where everyone

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 1>is not allowed to do anything, or is it the

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.319
<v Speaker 1>place where you do you as long as you don't

0:45:05.360 --> 0:45:09.120
<v Speaker 1>harm the people That there's midways in between. But I

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>always find just from a public policy perspective, it is

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:16.279
<v Speaker 1>almost impossible to talk about some of the logic in

0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 1>all of this because any level of discussion is considered advocacy,

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and advocacy for smokers equals you, sir, are worse than Hitler,

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:28.920
<v Speaker 1>as was the joke in the Simpsons.

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.319
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean, I've been to the state of Colorado,

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.880
<v Speaker 11>where smoking a joint's great, but light a cigarette, oh

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.240
<v Speaker 11>my goodness, gratious me you think you've done something terrible.

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 11>So you're right, there is a big contradiction here. But look,

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.880
<v Speaker 11>the general direction of travel is to control our lives.

0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.360
<v Speaker 11>The World Health Organization have now said there is no

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 11>safe legal limit for alcohol so they'll becoming for that

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.719
<v Speaker 11>next And would you believe in the last four days

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 11>in this country a report out suggests that having just

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 11>one croissant every morning significantly affects your chances of having

0:46:05.040 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 11>a heart attack. So either either we just all give

0:46:08.880 --> 0:46:13.000
<v Speaker 11>up live on bread and water, or perhaps that won't

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 11>even work, or you reach your point where, frankly, you

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:18.359
<v Speaker 11>disrespect this.

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>So much you just tell them all to go to hell. Dent.

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine anyone running on a platform of shut

0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the beer gardens and get rid of the prints. I

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think they'd be able to get over the line.

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 1>There's your little bakeries on almost every corner. Good luck,

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to America. So Biden was brought out today

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.759
<v Speaker 1>by Harris Labor Day, celebration of unions, blah blah blah.

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 1>But fascinatingly, we were all supposed to get this massive

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 1>convention bounce because Oprah was there and Michelle, Obama and Walt.

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Statistically that hasn't turned up. And even the bedding markets,

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:49.520
<v Speaker 1>which yes, at one point had her in front, now

0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.800
<v Speaker 1>have got Trump in front. Now I know there's a

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of stats I can show that go this

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>way or that way. But by this point in time

0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>he was supposed to be a dead duck according to

0:46:59.160 --> 0:47:01.359
<v Speaker 1>all of the media, and guess what he ain't.

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:04.399
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 11>I think that the Kennedy pulling out and supporting Trump

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 11>in the Key States, I think that was a bigger

0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 11>moment than people realized, you know. I mean, here was

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 11>somebody right from the very heart of the post war

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.200
<v Speaker 11>Democratic Party saying, look, they don't represent the values of

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:23.759
<v Speaker 11>my father and my uncle. I think that was a

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:26.719
<v Speaker 11>big moment. I think that Tomsy Gabbard moment again, a

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.080
<v Speaker 11>Democrat who'd come to Trump's side. So I do actually

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 11>think quietly the Trump campaign has been getting better. I

0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 11>just hope he never mentions Joe Biden ever. Again, he

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 11>got himself a bit stuck with this idea that he

0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 11>wanted to fight Biden and Biden had gone because there

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 11>was a coup. Well, forget that, You're up against this woman,

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:49.800
<v Speaker 11>and it's much harder in politics to criticize and attack

0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 11>all female politician than it is a male politician. So

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 11>he just needs to get that balance right. I know

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 11>this myself from my time in the European Parliament attacking

0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 11>you European commissioners but look, no, the Trump campaign is

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 11>getting itself back into a better place. And look, I

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:11.319
<v Speaker 11>promise you on November the fifth, he is going to win.

0:48:12.719 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm hard up against it. I got thirty seconds. What

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:16.680
<v Speaker 1>do you think of the Harris interview on scene?

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:20.800
<v Speaker 11>Ye, I didn't know there was one. I thought it

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 11>was a love and a little sort of chet chat

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:23.520
<v Speaker 11>between mates.

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Very good point.

0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 8>That's abound.

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Who knows how to time out? Thank you, Nigil. We

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>will see you on your show of course on gb News,

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and we'll see you here again next week. Yeah, that's

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:38.680
<v Speaker 1>our show for tonight again. The expectation is that debate

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and then we're getting into sentencing, then it's early voting.

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:44.040
<v Speaker 1>There's so much to go. We get into all the detail,

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you know. I'm obsessed with every little bit of it.

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:47.640
<v Speaker 1>What I bring to you, those the stuff that I

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 1>think you should know in order to be able to

0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.359
<v Speaker 1>have the data to have the debate at home. He's

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 1>the late debate and I'll see tomorrow with Meghan Kelly