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Speaker 1: The City and with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are very very excited about this because they have

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Speaker 2: a look at these cute young guys on the front.

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Speaker 3: Of this book, Around Love, Around.

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Speaker 2: Now, Love and Pain. We are so excited about this

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Speaker 2: because we know the story of Silver Chair, but we

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Speaker 2: have the magnificent Bengillies and Chrishannu in the studio with

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Speaker 2: a snaw. Boys welcome.

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Speaker 4: I mean, where do you starting? Where do you end

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Speaker 4: when you decide to put a book together like this?

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Speaker 4: Does the story go from I mean you lived in

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Speaker 4: the same street. Does the story go from the first

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Speaker 4: day we met.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it kind of does. Yeah, my first nappy.

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Speaker 4: You were feeding from the same month. Bullshit, But I

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Speaker 4: guess you know.

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Speaker 3: I've got some really fond memories of literally being about

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Speaker 3: probably four, riding our bikes in the street. Our street

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Speaker 3: used to flood all the time, so it'd be Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're really quite vivid memories of very early.

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Speaker 2: Were you the jocks in school? Were you the were

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Speaker 2: you the weird blokes at school? What were you boys

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Speaker 3: We had a mixed group.

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Speaker 5: There was probably some jocks, probably some kind of weird

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Speaker 5: ardie people like we just kind of fit in the

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Speaker 2: But music wasn't When did music start bending? When did

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Speaker 2: that start for you?

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Speaker 5: But we started early, Yeah, Daniel and I started kind

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Speaker 5: of we were a band when we're like eight years old,

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Speaker 5: and then we formed Silverchair, but we weren't called Silver

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Speaker 5: Chair at twelve. It's yeah, we went through a few

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Speaker 5: few different names, but it's always been a constant.

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Speaker 1: Were you in the school band?

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Speaker 2: I was in the school band?

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Speaker 1: And what did you play?

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Speaker 2: Drum?

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Speaker 6: Drum? But like, I don't know. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 6: a musician obviously, but like, is it something that you

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Speaker 6: progressed to Were you the annoying kid in the street

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Speaker 6: that we had the drum kit?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was definitely making a lot of noise.

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Speaker 2: On the street.

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Speaker 3: But Chris started elsewhere saxophone and then trumpet.

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Speaker 2: Did in the Silver Chair.

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Speaker 3: Had no idea what I was doing in.

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Speaker 2: The Silver Chair era. Did you ever put your hand

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Speaker 2: up for saxophone at some stage? Did you ever say look?

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Speaker 3: Or the opportunity just never really presented itself.

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Speaker 2: It was part of the book.

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Speaker 4: Is Chris trying to.

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Speaker 3: Horrendous?

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Speaker 5: I would have loved to saying Chris come down in

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Speaker 5: front of stage and do a bit of.

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Speaker 2: A Kenny g keep me the whilelight of the show?

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Speaker 2: Can we I want to go to big questions because

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Speaker 2: the success and the rise was so quick and you

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Speaker 2: were so young. So you, guys, was your big first

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Speaker 2: big support in the US was Red Hot Chili Peppers,

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Speaker 2: Madison Square Gardens.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a whole well, that was probably a

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Speaker 5: highlight show on that tour, but it was a whole

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Speaker 5: tour and then we caught up with them like a

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Speaker 5: lot of times after that through Europe.

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Speaker 2: Were they the best support? What was the best as

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Speaker 2: young kids? Can you what was the what was the

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Speaker 2: band that looked after you the most? Can you remember?

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Speaker 3: You've got pretty generous with their time. Yeah, and even

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Speaker 3: they were, Yeah, they were just really accommodating and I

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Speaker 2: Who else did you support back in those days? Like,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you were doing your own tours as well

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Speaker 2: that young, But were you supporting some big bands?

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Speaker 5: I remember one show in Germany that was pretty crazy.

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Speaker 5: I think it had kiss Beck, David Bowie wow all

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Speaker 5: on the same bill and bill we were probably.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, it's like our first time in South America

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Speaker 3: was Sex Pistols, Cypress Hill, and.

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Speaker 5: We've played with I mean what Blur we've done. We

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Speaker 5: did a couple of shows with Blur on festivals.

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Speaker 2: So backstage, are you hanging with these guys, because you

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Speaker 2: know you had your parents there and I know they

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Speaker 2: were traveling around with you, But are you hanging with

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Speaker 5: I mean everyone's kind of got their camp, right, you

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Speaker 5: just hang out with your people. But we've been talking

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Speaker 5: a lot about like it's your reality, So that was

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Speaker 5: just our normal. You know, you'd walk around and see

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Speaker 5: all these bands that you know and you'd be like, yeah, good.

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Speaker 4: Day, Yeah struck there. Did you ever meet anybody that

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Speaker 5: With James Brown for you, Oh wow, Yeah that wasn't

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Speaker 5: on tour, that was that was set up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great photo of you and James Brown.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I called our manager and I said, look, if

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Speaker 5: there's anyone I want to meet, it's James Brown.

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Speaker 2: Can you hook it up?

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Speaker 5: And a publicist in Sydney, Rena Feris, she was like

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Speaker 5: she was doing the show and yeah, and hooked it

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Speaker 5: all up and my lip was clip like a little

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Speaker 2: Did you get to see him live Anny a couple

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Speaker 2: of times? Yeah? That night it was great man on stage.

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Speaker 2: He's just he's incredible. Man, beloved me.

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Speaker 6: You talk about being star st but were there anyone

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Speaker 6: that was there anyone that you had to be introduced to?

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Speaker 6: I mean obviously you listened to music and you were

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Speaker 6: influenced by it and the people that were in that

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Speaker 6: world already, But was there anyone that they had to

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Speaker 6: introduce and say? And these guys are actually quite a

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Speaker 6: big deal, so you know what I mean, Like if

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Speaker 6: you want, you know, for the progression of career, these

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Speaker 6: guys are important. There all these guys or girls, well

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Speaker 6: you knew everyone.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's that Australian thing, is like hey mate,

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Was Corney Love chasing Daniel around the Big day out

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Speaker 2: backstage saying where is my where's that young man that

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Speaker 5: I think that's been blown out, been blown out of proportion,

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Speaker 5: because that's what the first time I saw Silver Chair

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Speaker 5: was the ninety ninety five Big Day out.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Because you played on a smaller

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Speaker 2: stage and this is where you exploded. And because they're

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Speaker 2: I could get to the stage Kate, So people were

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Speaker 2: climbing roofs and trees. It was actually quite dangerous from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the old skate stage. Yeah, there's some incredible photos

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Speaker 4: Are there regrets when you look back on it? I mean,

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Speaker 4: obviously things are fractured with Daniel now, and are there

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Speaker 4: moments where you think we could have done that differently

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Speaker 4: or we should have avoided it and there'd be a

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Speaker 4: different outcome now possibly or yeah.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you know, hindsight and bit of age and

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Speaker 2: Of course.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, look, yeah, look, communication is probably one thing

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Speaker 5: But we were guys from Newcastle and you're supposed to

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Speaker 5: be bulletproof and you don't talk about your feelings, right, Can.

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Speaker 2: I just say your Australian story was unbelievable and Benny,

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Speaker 2: you got emotional during there was a moment where you

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Speaker 2: said I hate this shit, but you also said this

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Speaker 2: is the good stuff though, this is the stuff that

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Speaker 2: we need to talk about. Have you did you guys

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Speaker 2: watch the Parkway Drive Australian Story. Yes, So this was

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Speaker 2: one of the Australia's biggest bands from Byron Bay and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know, No, I don't think a majority of

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Speaker 2: the fans knew that they were going through some rough

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Speaker 2: follow them and they went to therapy together which was

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Speaker 2: like Metallica's documentary as well, some kind of Monster, and

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Speaker 2: they all sat down and spoke about their time in

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Speaker 2: the band, and it was full on Kate because they

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Speaker 2: were opening up going, well, you were a.

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Speaker 1: Real prick to me during this stage that we're doing

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Speaker 1: to what you were saying Ben about talking about what

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Speaker 1: was your reality?

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Speaker 6: Because I'm not saying, by any stretch of the imagination

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Speaker 6: that I'm anything like you guys, but you're often asked

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Speaker 6: like what was it like to be this, or what

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Speaker 6: was it like to grow up on the telly, or

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Speaker 6: what was it like to be thrust into the spotlight

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Speaker 6: about what you regret or what you don't. But what

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Speaker 6: I do want to ask is if you could kind

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Speaker 6: almost not delete silver Chair, but have just stayed as

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Speaker 6: the boys from Newcastle who went to school and then

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Speaker 6: maybe went to UNI and went on and had families, Like,

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Speaker 6: would you opt for that?

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Speaker 3: I think there's question. I think there's definitely elements in

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Speaker 3: our lives that are still those blokes and the you know,

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Speaker 3: if you just put the band aside for a minute,

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Speaker 3: you know, like I think our parents did worked really

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Speaker 2: To keep a very.

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Speaker 3: Normal normal just the same experiences as old mate Johnny

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Speaker 3: So I think we still encapsulated that, I guess spirit

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Speaker 3: You know, My dad was a dry cleaner, Ben's dad

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Speaker 3: was very you know, it was simple that But you.

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Speaker 2: Boys have always had your feet grounded. That's what I love.

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Speaker 1: That's what a lot of the appealing is.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I love about you, and it's wherever

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Speaker 2: you go. And I've been to bands and music festivals

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Speaker 2: with you, but you've always kept your feet grounded, like

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Speaker 2: and Newcastle life for you mean so much to you

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Speaker 2: as well. How much did having children change your life?

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Speaker 5: I think for anyone that's had children can relate to that.

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Speaker 5: It changes everything, your perspective on everything.

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Speaker 2: In a ship.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's lots of really great things about it. And

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Speaker 3: you know, you wouldn't change a thing. You wouldn't you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't wish away any moment with him, and yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: quite a blessed and fortunate thing and very lucky.

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Speaker 2: To be able to do it.

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Speaker 4: That's a really really personal question. This is going to

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Speaker 4: be this is going to be hard to answer, all right.

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Speaker 4: Not so much for you guys, more for Kate. Kate,

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Speaker 4: your reality. I love your reality of the stories.

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Speaker 6: This is an interview. Yes, I understand that, Chris, because

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Speaker 6: I have so many questions.

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Speaker 4: Trying to act calm right now. But there was a

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Speaker 4: big fangirl stage of Kate and Silverchair. Now I'm not

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Speaker 5: They wouldn't let us.

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Speaker 6: I didn't write to Peter Andre. But listening to Silverchair

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Speaker 4: With but Logi's twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wasn't that? Also? That was also John Watson, who

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Speaker 2: That was one of their they you were. You didn't

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Speaker 3: Look, I think we're really fortunate, and it's now looking

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Speaker 3: really like that John guy. Yeah, and yeah, we're just

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Speaker 2: Bennie. You're still on the drums quite a bit. And

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Speaker 3: Not a great deal, a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Daughter she yeah, she's quite musical, and yeah she doesn't

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Speaker 6: that's kind of what you want this to be about.

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Speaker 6: And it's not just about that, you know, it's not

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Speaker 6: just about the band, but it's the lead up and

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Speaker 5: I would say it's just the messiness and the around

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Speaker 4: But have you tried to sit down the three of you?

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Speaker 2: No? No, see, Can I just say, there's a relationship

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Speaker 2: between you two and Ben. You talk about this in

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Speaker 5: I am well A lot of that had to do

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Speaker 5: with alcoholism. Ye I was struggling with, you know, being

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Speaker 3: Relate to this as well.

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Speaker 5: You do stupid things when you drink and I said

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Speaker 6: Is there also a part where you reach in your

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Speaker 6: maybe you don't you want you don't necessarily it's not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you do want it, and it

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Speaker 3: just accepting it for what it is. Yeah, And that's okay,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, that was definitely something

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Speaker 2: Of these years.

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Speaker 1: You're really missed out going to the logos.

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Speaker 2: Around Chris, but Ben still got good hair.

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Speaker 6: I was I was a shaved head girl, so I

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Speaker 1: For a minute, I do.

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Speaker 6: I know we're probably going to have to let you

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Speaker 6: we absolutely need to play pure Massacre. And they're going,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if it's very nova, so maybe we

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Speaker 6: could play around with it on air. But if you two,

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Speaker 6: if YouTube can now tell the people here at Nova

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Speaker 6: why we should be pressing play on Pure Massacre right now,

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Speaker 6: I'd be so happy.

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Speaker 5: Press play on Pure Massacre right now.

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Speaker 2: Love Pain is out at any good bookstore. You can

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Speaker 2: get it right now, the epic times and cricket lines

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Speaker 2: of life inside and outside Silverchair. Ben and Chris, we

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Speaker 2: love you boys, Thank you so much for opening up

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Speaker 2: in this book. Go get the book, pure mesca.

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