Speaker 1: Wait, welcome to the Late Babes.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Liz Storer
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad you're here. Filling in tonight for
Speaker 2: James McPherson and kayleb Bond. We have Joe Hildebrand and
Speaker 2: mister kell I'm.
Speaker 3: Glad you're here too, so much.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do wonder. Coming up tonight, parents suing a
Speaker 2: school district after their son gets a very poor grade
Speaker 2: for giving in an assignment that was written by AI.
Speaker 2: What on earth is the world coming to? That's what
Speaker 2: they're suing the school district for more on that later
Speaker 2: and coming up in the papers. Still Works are losing
Speaker 2: a million dollars a day, and Australia's mid not midlife crisis,
Speaker 2: midwife crisis. Who's going to deliver the babies of the future?
Speaker 2: Those numbers coming up. But first tonight, I've got to
Speaker 2: take my hat off to one of my all time favorites.
Speaker 1: He's a former Labor senator.
Speaker 2: His name is Joe de Bruin. He was also a
Speaker 2: union boss for a very long time. I remember the
Speaker 2: first time this guy came to my attention was when
Speaker 2: I saw this iconic photo of him sitting at the
Speaker 2: ALP National Conference back in two thy and fifteen. The
Speaker 2: conference was giving Pennywong a standing ovation after she'd.
Speaker 1: Done a massive backflip.
Speaker 2: She'd initially said that same sex marriage wasn't something that
Speaker 2: she needed to validify her relationship and then did a
Speaker 2: massive one to eighty saying it was absolutely essential that
Speaker 2: this was past. And there he is sitting silently resolutely.
Speaker 1: I will not yield. He's always been a very.
Speaker 2: Devout Catholic and Australia was reminded of this today when
Speaker 2: this headline popped up, because it seems the man has
Speaker 2: not changed his convictions and people can't stomach it. Yesterday
Speaker 2: he was at the Australian Catholic University accepting an honorary
Speaker 2: degree an honorary doctorate for quote outstanding support for the
Speaker 2: Catholic Church in Australia end quote. So he did not
Speaker 2: waste the opportunity to espouse some strong Catholic views on
Speaker 2: a number of contentious issues like abortion, like IVF for
Speaker 2: single women, like homosexual marriage. To quote some of his speech,
Speaker 2: he said, over eighty thousand unborn children are killed by
Speaker 2: abortion in Australia each year. Worldwide, the estimated number is
Speaker 2: forty two million per annum. Abortion is the single biggest
Speaker 2: killer of human beings in the world, greater by far
Speaker 2: than the toll of human life in World War Two.
Speaker 2: It is a tragedy that must be ended.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: People couldn't stomach this, A devout Catholic espousing Catholic views,
Speaker 2: that Catholic university graduation ceremony. They left in the droves
Speaker 2: while he was still speaking. Check it out of confidence.
Speaker 4: So as I worked with the crime and with.
Speaker 2: Many alphas, those who remained gave him a standing ovation.
Speaker 2: And today I was so delighted to read that he
Speaker 2: wouldn't change a thing he said. After the media for
Speaker 2: raw started over how dare he make these comments, he
Speaker 2: simply said, I wouldn't change a thing, wouldn't apologize, wouldn't
Speaker 2: succumb to the usual media nitpicking that follows these things,
Speaker 2: where we constantly see conservatives then coming out saying.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, I didn't mean.
Speaker 2: To offend anyone. This man is unapologetic for his beliefs.
Speaker 1: I love this, Joe.
Speaker 2: I actually I genuine so missed these titans of the
Speaker 2: labor right that we used to have. I remember Joe
Speaker 2: Bullock as well resigned from the Senate because he refused
Speaker 2: to back Labour's policy of mandated support for gay marriage,
Speaker 2: and he simply wouldn't do it. The conviction politicians of
Speaker 2: today you could count on one hand.
Speaker 1: But they used to be a lot more in the
Speaker 1: Labor Party.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Labor Party used to be able to make
Speaker 3: room for them. And this is sort of where I sit.
Speaker 3: I disagree with a lot of what Joe de Brun said,
Speaker 3: but I think he should absolutely be allowed to believe it,
Speaker 3: and I think the Labor Party needs people like him
Speaker 3: in the party to provide a kind of counterweight to
Speaker 3: some of the more crazy, kind of ideological pursuits of
Speaker 3: the left. So it was Joe that stopped Julie Gillard
Speaker 3: pursuing same sex marriage. He refused to give it the okay.
Speaker 3: And he's extremely powerful, Like he was most powerful not
Speaker 3: as a Senator, but as head of the Shop Distributed
Speaker 3: and Allied Employees Association affectionately known as the Shoppies, which
Speaker 3: is the most powerful union in the Labor Party, also
Speaker 3: probably the most low profile, but they have the biggest membership,
Speaker 3: maybe something like two hundred thousand members or something like that.
Speaker 3: And that means they have the biggest representation at labor
Speaker 3: conferences and they wield an enormous amount of power. And
Speaker 3: if Joe de Brune didn't give you the green light
Speaker 3: on something, that's it. It's dead in the water. And
Speaker 3: so there's all this I suppose quiet power, back room
Speaker 3: power behind closed doors that a lot of people used
Speaker 3: to think, well, this is terrible, this is awful, we
Speaker 3: need to cut union influence over the Labor Party. But
Speaker 3: of course, as soon as they started doing that, all
Speaker 3: the activists from the Ragavol branches sort of flowed in
Speaker 3: and started doing crazy things that made the Labor Party unelectable.
Speaker 3: And so someone like Joe de Brune was actually a
Speaker 3: really effective And again, if you had Julia Gillard, and
Speaker 3: this is going to sound very critical and cruel, but
Speaker 3: if you have Julia Gillard, who was someone from the left,
Speaker 3: not besaying she was back from the right, but she's
Speaker 3: from the left. She's unmarried herself, and then suddenly she
Speaker 3: says and we're going to propose same sex marriage. That
Speaker 3: would have been electoral suicide. I mean, she only scraped
Speaker 3: over the line in twenty ten, as it was. Anyway,
Speaker 3: it often takes right wing people from the right of
Speaker 3: the Labor Party or the right of the political spectrum
Speaker 3: generally to do progressive things, because if someone progressive does
Speaker 3: a progressive thing, people like, oh my god, you know
Speaker 3: she's a Satanist witch. You know she's going to destroy
Speaker 3: Western civilization. And so Joah Brout Maybell have actually done
Speaker 3: her a favorite, denying her something that she wanted to do.
Speaker 3: But that's just one example. The other thing, though, that
Speaker 3: I think this proves is something that I know I've
Speaker 3: been trying to convince you many a time of which
Speaker 3: is that the Catholic Church is actually a very broad
Speaker 3: dare I say small Sea Catholic Church, No, A lot
Speaker 3: of very progressive people in it who do support same
Speaker 3: sex right, so who do support abortions obviously always been
Speaker 3: a difficult one for the Church, but who are much
Speaker 3: more ahead of the game and much more sort of
Speaker 3: modern if you like, and the Church has been in
Speaker 3: the past.
Speaker 1: So they're the one god to say the young Friend,
Speaker 1: the Bible.
Speaker 2: Or any Catholic doctrine, but kel, I love to see
Speaker 2: a man of conviction. I wish we had more in
Speaker 2: our parliaments. Sadly, I can only pretty much name they'd
Speaker 2: all fit. On one hand, they would these days. But
Speaker 2: I've often said, even someone like Bernie Sanders, a rabid socialist,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't agree with him on anything. And yet this
Speaker 2: is a man of conviction and I can respect him
Speaker 2: to the hilt for that because you can see, you know,
Speaker 2: these photos of him as a teenager being hauled out
Speaker 2: of protests, you know, campaigning for the Marxist of his day.
Speaker 2: But why have we so few were these nowadays in
Speaker 2: an Australian politics.
Speaker 5: Because we've professionalized politics. Now you join young labor at
Speaker 5: university and then you work your way through that. Then
Speaker 5: you get a job in a member's office or a
Speaker 5: minister's office, or you work for a union for a while,
Speaker 5: and then when you've worked as an assistant in the
Speaker 5: Labor party, then you get nominated for a seat, and
Speaker 5: then you get elected and you never have anything to
Speaker 5: do outside of politics. So all you need to do
Speaker 5: is to have a partisan view of the world and
Speaker 5: not actually think through the issues. I mean, I was
Speaker 5: thinking at that event and thinking of the audience as
Speaker 5: well as Joe de Brun. Why do they have to
Speaker 5: get up and walk out? I mean, why couldn't they
Speaker 5: have been like Joe Hildebrand. I mean, we need more
Speaker 5: Joe Hildebrands in the world and just sit there and think, well,
Speaker 5: I don't agree with that bit, and I don't agree
Speaker 5: with that bit, but he's got a right to say that.
Speaker 5: Why And I was trying to work out why they
Speaker 5: did it. I think it's to do with the fact
Speaker 5: that abortion has been so oversimplified. All they can do
Speaker 5: is have an emotional reaction. I mean, it's possible to
Speaker 5: have an intelligent debate. It's possible to say, you know,
Speaker 5: there's no such thing as abortion, there's early term abortion,
Speaker 5: late term abortion. All the surveys show most people are
Speaker 5: opposed to late term abortions. You could have a sort
Speaker 5: of debate about the real complexities and an intelligent debate.
Speaker 3: But for some reason, lait debate if you will, though.
Speaker 2: We've got left who are incapable of that.
Speaker 5: Though one word, I'm going no, that's nonsense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, And you would have thought that he was
Speaker 2: in a safe space espousing these views being a Catholic university,
Speaker 2: But sadly no, A lot of the people I know
Speaker 2: who work in Catholic institutions, be it schools or unis,
Speaker 2: have sadly told me they are lost to the left.
Speaker 2: It's a sad state of affairs. But you would remember
Speaker 2: the curious case of the main Khalif, who made headlines
Speaker 2: during the latest Olympics in Paris being an Olympic boxer
Speaker 2: and winning gold. Now, to shrink the story down for
Speaker 2: you and give you a quick synopsis, the International Boxing
Speaker 2: Association claimed that.
Speaker 1: Khalif had returned a chromosome.
Speaker 2: Tests proved that they had X Y chromosomes, but the
Speaker 2: Olympic committee said, no, no, that.
Speaker 1: Is a furfee.
Speaker 2: We've seen no proof of it. We're not running another test.
Speaker 2: We're just going to back this person.
Speaker 1: To the hilt.
Speaker 2: I think that's because they didn't want egg all over
Speaker 2: their face. They'd already allowed Khalif to enter the competition
Speaker 2: and didn't want to be seen as pulling the rug
Speaker 2: out from underneath a certified competitor at that point. Well,
Speaker 2: they've now made headlines again today announcing I would like
Speaker 2: to hold a press conference today to share with you
Speaker 2: my success story with the media, family and young women
Speaker 2: who watch me. There is a documentary being prepared about
Speaker 2: my success story and it will be shown on international platforms.
Speaker 2: I will soon enter the world of professional boxing. I
Speaker 2: have many offers. Now, there's been a lot of talk
Speaker 2: about this because Khalif is still not returned a chromosome test.
Speaker 2: You'd think it's a very very simple way to settle
Speaker 2: the score, put all the rumors to bed. Simply say Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: I did a chromosome test. I'm xx. Can everyone please
Speaker 2: leave me alone? And still we are speculating endlessly, Joe,
Speaker 2: is this another case of a DSD athlete who has
Speaker 2: what they call different sex disorder, which means they do
Speaker 2: indeed identify as female and our female. However, they do
Speaker 2: have x Y chromosomes, which does give them an undeniable
Speaker 2: advance against women.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it does. But that's why I have a
Speaker 3: lot of sympathy for this woman because it's not someone
Speaker 3: it's not someone who you know, a man who is
Speaker 3: competing in male sports wasn't doing very well and that haha.
Speaker 3: I know what I'll do. I'll identify as a woman.
Speaker 3: I'll get it so it's change, and then I'll use
Speaker 3: my incredible testosterone that I picked up, you know, in puberty,
Speaker 3: along with you know, listening to a White Snake and
Speaker 3: guns n' roses and you know, driving by Ford Falcon
Speaker 3: at one hundred kilometers now dominated because says, this is
Speaker 3: someone who was has always been treated as a woman,
Speaker 3: who has raised as a girl, treat treating female her
Speaker 3: entire life, just happens to be born with this strange kind.
Speaker 5: Of chromosome matters because a Y chromosome makes a difference.
Speaker 5: People with Y chromosome so however, they identify whatever their
Speaker 5: medical condition might, but if you've got a Y chromosome,
Speaker 5: you will on average be taller, stronger, and faster than
Speaker 5: people who don't have a Y chromosome. So people with
Speaker 5: a Y chromosome competing against people with XX chromosomes have
Speaker 5: got on unusual. It's like using a performance enhancing drug.
Speaker 5: It's like cheating. You know, I'm not going to use
Speaker 5: a performance enhancing drug because I don't need to. I
Speaker 5: was born with a Y chromosome. So that's why the
Speaker 5: chromosome tests have to be done, have to be supplied
Speaker 5: to officials, have to be public because having a Y
Speaker 5: chromosome and competing against people who don't is cheating.
Speaker 3: I reckon that should just get rid of all the
Speaker 3: rules none, let it go absolutely free for all all
Speaker 3: the drugs you want to do your worst. If I
Speaker 3: got idea, it's not like it's a fair fight. I've
Speaker 3: made Shaquille O'Neil going to, you know, shoot some herts together.
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna win. Well, that's not fair because he's
Speaker 3: just got.
Speaker 2: Better nat to his chromosomes due to his gees.
Speaker 3: That's the same.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, this is not uncommon. Since the
Speaker 2: early two thousand, over seven Olympic medals have been won
Speaker 2: in the women's category by DSD athletes, So this is
Speaker 2: something that should be cut and dry. Someone has an
Speaker 2: obvious advantage. Back in twenty nineteen, Kell this is exactly
Speaker 2: what the Court of Arbitration for Sports ruled. They said,
Speaker 2: anyone with the SD has an obvious advantage against x X.
Speaker 5: Actually but the Y chrome.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1: And yet we.
Speaker 2: See the Olympic Committee, the most elite committee in the world.
Speaker 2: There are looking after the most elite athletes saying no, no,
Speaker 2: you get a repass. And now this person is going
Speaker 2: on to potentially bash up women all over the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're supposed to be against what is the
Speaker 3: professional like whatever body you go, like the WBA or
Speaker 3: whoever it is. What is the professional body then going
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 5: With anyone to do. I'll give you the solution. The
Speaker 5: solution is we've worked for a long time with just
Speaker 5: two categories, male and female sports. Instead of that, you've
Speaker 5: got male sports, female sports, and open. If you have
Speaker 5: three categories, people who don't clearly fit into mail because
Speaker 5: they identify as being women, but they've got a Y chromosome,
Speaker 5: so they don't fit into the they can compete in
Speaker 5: the open, and anyone else can Anyone with a Y
Speaker 5: chromos who thinks they can take them on, anyone can
Speaker 5: compete in the open. You simply set up categories to
Speaker 5: solve the problem. You don't wring your hands, and you
Speaker 5: don't throw in figure athletes females.
Speaker 3: I think you're describing a level of professionalism in fairness
Speaker 3: to professional boxing that doesn't quite compute understanding of it.
Speaker 3: Think the whole idea is that you find the two opponents.
Speaker 3: So we're going to generate the most amount of hype,
Speaker 3: the most amount of money. You get someone who's going
Speaker 3: to broadcast it on pay per view for the most
Speaker 3: amount of money that they will pay you the promoter.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of just imagining myself as Don King.
Speaker 2: Typically it's fraught. I mean, yeah, sure, that's a professional boxing.
Speaker 2: That's what you do when you're running.
Speaker 3: Not some washed up has been with the famous day,
Speaker 3: some young kid that's got to beat them. Jesus out
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 5: Joe is giving into cynicism. There's no need to. There
Speaker 5: are actually professional sports people who understand the issue and
Speaker 5: who want to do something about it. Nicole Powers is
Speaker 5: a professional golfer. Nicole Powers is someone who was born
Speaker 5: male and decided that he strokes, she felt female and
Speaker 5: so became female. What treatment Nicole Powers is how, I
Speaker 5: don't know, but has competed with the Y chromosome in
Speaker 5: professional golf and now says not going to do that anymore.
Speaker 5: I was pushed into doing it by the trans movement.
Speaker 5: Because the trans movement, I thought it was really important
Speaker 5: that I pushed myself in there. So this trans golfer
Speaker 5: is now discussing a decision to stop competing against biological females.
Speaker 5: Say I'm not actually a woman. A great move, isn't it.
Speaker 3: A biological woman?
Speaker 2: It is, indeed, And here is the palace biological, the
Speaker 2: cold palace, explaining how they came to this conclusion.
Speaker 6: I didn't necessarily see that I was part of the
Speaker 6: problem because you know, you're kind of force fed this
Speaker 6: information that your existence is not the problem, and you
Speaker 6: know you should enter women's spaces without restraint. And it
Speaker 6: wasn't until I saw real problems occurring within women's sports
Speaker 6: that I had to take a step back and realize
Speaker 6: that biological you know, biological realities are real, and competitive
Speaker 6: advantages will always exist despite a number of years you've
Speaker 6: transitioned or whatever surgeries and hormones you've done, and then
Speaker 6: understood that my place is not in women's sports.
Speaker 2: This was such a heartening interview. It was just pure
Speaker 2: common sense Nicole Powers talking about even even those arguments
Speaker 2: that are about oh, well, hormone levels and we test
Speaker 2: et cetera. She's like, you can just take a double
Speaker 2: dose of estrogen before you go do those tests, and
Speaker 2: you've totally fixed the whole result of the test. So
Speaker 2: it's very easy to cheat. And this was heartening because
Speaker 2: it just goes to show that someone in this predicament
Speaker 2: when actually this is very unfiry to the women that
Speaker 2: I keep eating.
Speaker 3: That's struight Srure.
Speaker 1: I look at it.
Speaker 3: It's very I think it's very noble of her and
Speaker 3: it's obviously very thoughtful, and you can hear from what
Speaker 3: she's saying that she's clearly, you know, reflected on this
Speaker 3: very daily. But I think there'd be a bunch of
Speaker 3: other people who would think, well, hang on a minute,
Speaker 3: you know, this is my love, this is the one
Speaker 3: thing I've dreamt of doing my whole life, you know.
Speaker 3: And again I acknowledge that there's many scenarios and which
Speaker 3: it must be terribly unfair to female athletes and depriving
Speaker 3: them of their own dreams. I'm sure there must be
Speaker 3: a way that we can accommodate some kind of solution
Speaker 3: or treat things on a case by case basis. But
Speaker 3: I think, you know, I mean, the obvious, the obvious
Speaker 3: sort of inspiration to look to would be, you know,
Speaker 3: Caitlyn Jenna, who did it properly and went out and
Speaker 3: what all her effects of the mends.
Speaker 1: And then transition.
Speaker 2: But this is really heartening, Kel because this is someone who.
Speaker 1: Has simply recognized this is completely.
Speaker 2: Unfair and speaks at length about how she came to
Speaker 2: that conclusion and why she's now just decided I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do it anymore. They actually tell the story
Speaker 2: of how even while they were still competing against females.
Speaker 2: They would hold back because they realized, if I operate
Speaker 2: at full strength here, I'm going to beat you guys,
Speaker 2: and I actually can't bring myself to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. Nicole Powers would have had a drive
Speaker 5: that went much further down the field right than any
Speaker 5: female golfer, even a really good female golfer. The thing
Speaker 5: I found most interesting in that interview was when Nicole
Speaker 5: talked about the pressure from the trans movement. The trans
Speaker 5: movement has become really intolerant, really bullying, and it's not
Speaker 5: we think it's putting pressure on us, you know, and
Speaker 5: telling us, you know, the pronounces you use are really important,
Speaker 5: and we're going to bully you if you don't get
Speaker 5: it right. It seems to me that they're also putting
Speaker 5: pressure on people within the trans community. You've got to
Speaker 5: stand with us, You've got to do what we tell
Speaker 5: you to do.
Speaker 2: This is a they want another trophy on the man.
Speaker 5: Any sort of subgroup within in a community that functions
Speaker 5: like that is not healthy.
Speaker 3: I don't think, knowing a little bit about this, that
Speaker 3: I don't think it's not the whole sort of trans
Speaker 3: community or people who are trans so do it. There
Speaker 3: is a small hardcore grow and it's with the gay
Speaker 3: community as well. The vast majority are just normal, course of.
Speaker 1: Them smart, yea. They relate to one of other people.
Speaker 3: And there's a bunch of sort of what you might
Speaker 3: call queer Marxists. And there is the same with the
Speaker 3: trans movement, where you have these really and the trans
Speaker 3: thing is almost a mcguffin. It's just it's a bit
Speaker 3: like Israel Palestine, you know, It's just it's they just see,
Speaker 3: this is the next fight, this is the next revolution,
Speaker 3: This is the next oppressed group we have to fight for.
Speaker 3: You know, We've done it for black people, for women,
Speaker 3: for gays. Now this is the new oppressed people. And
Speaker 3: anyone who says that they shouldn't get everything they want
Speaker 3: instantly is a fascist, is a bigger and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And it's those ones who not only i think, freak
Speaker 3: out people on the right, but also make life really
Speaker 3: really difficult for sensible, normal people on the sort of
Speaker 3: left side, the center left side, who are just trying
Speaker 3: to sort of find some kind of reasonable compromise or
Speaker 3: just trying to find, you know, make everything equal. These guys,
Speaker 3: there are some really quite fair angry people on the
Speaker 3: extreme left, for whom even progress is never good enough,
Speaker 3: and they get, you know, even when you get a
Speaker 3: good result from a government on something like you know,
Speaker 3: gay gay conversion therapy or recognize changing persons or something,
Speaker 3: that will still be angry and still be attacking the
Speaker 3: people actually because they still didn't get everything they wanted.
Speaker 3: So there is an ugly, like with everything, there is
Speaker 3: an ugly extreme kind of wing that then makes the whole.
Speaker 5: They are the property. Look, can I say there's another
Speaker 5: problem we need to address, And I'm talking here about
Speaker 5: the thing that you most deeply and sincerely believe in
Speaker 5: your money. Because your money that you've got in a
Speaker 5: bank is your money. It belongs to you. But if
Speaker 5: something goes wrong technologically, suddenly you don't have access to
Speaker 5: your money. It's happened to Westpac, It's happened to a
Speaker 5: number it's happened to a number of banks where suddenly
Speaker 5: they're out for some hours at a time, you can't
Speaker 5: use your credit cards. If it's a small business operating
Speaker 5: a business depending on a link to that particular make
Speaker 5: they can't function. So there's now discussion that the only
Speaker 5: sensible thing to do to protect yourself and protect your
Speaker 5: money is not to have one bank, have at least
Speaker 5: two banks when one bank is not functioning. So complaints
Speaker 5: have rolled into the authority about this, about the Westpac
Speaker 5: outages and the Commonwealth Bank duplicate charges, the disrupt access
Speaker 5: to customers money. And the answer is, we're being told
Speaker 5: by Professor Elizabeth Sheedy. The answer is that you need
Speaker 5: to have at least two banks. Now, my wife is
Speaker 5: very smart about money. Is why ahead of them she's
Speaker 5: got two banks.
Speaker 2: So long before the advice, we've already got the bases covered.
Speaker 5: Everyone should be banking with two banks, it says the professor.
Speaker 5: So I can understand that, and I think it makes
Speaker 5: a lot of sense. We are very vulnerable. Once your
Speaker 5: money is in the bank, you can lose access to
Speaker 5: it because of our software glitch, because of a hardware breakdown,
Speaker 5: because of a hacker breaking in, or an electromagnetic pulse.
Speaker 5: Every few hundred years is a massive electro magnetic pulse
Speaker 5: from the sun. If one hits, it wipes out all
Speaker 5: the computers and you've got no money. Look, there are
Speaker 5: a bunch of things that can happen, so you can't
Speaker 5: depend on the electrons put not your favorite electrons.
Speaker 3: No electromagnetic pulse wouldn't wipe out all the money in
Speaker 3: both the banks. You had your money.
Speaker 5: If that happens.
Speaker 3: If that happens cash under the mattress scenario.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's how it works as well as
Speaker 5: two banks keep money in cash always.
Speaker 2: I discovered this recently, literally just yesterday, my bank canceled
Speaker 2: my card because it had expired, well was at the
Speaker 2: end of this month, so they'd sent me out a
Speaker 2: new card to the wrong address. So they said, well,
Speaker 2: we've got to cancel that one. But because it has
Speaker 2: the same number as my current one, I was then
Speaker 2: left with zero access to my own accounts, and had
Speaker 2: I not had a stash of cash, I wouldn't I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to spend money until when new I was.
Speaker 3: Just watching this now, going I wonder what I knew addresses? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I always like to have a bit
Speaker 3: of I was I was shamed by back in the
Speaker 3: old days when I was a dirty, rotten smoker years ago.
Speaker 3: I was shamed by the guy at the kiosk at
Speaker 3: Central station. But I realized I didn't have cash and
Speaker 3: tried to pay with my card, and he just looked
Speaker 3: at me. Come on, Joe, you know aboutter, you know
Speaker 3: about it, and I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And so i'd
Speaker 3: always do carry a bit of cash. I find that
Speaker 3: there are certain industries that definitely prefer cash. And yes,
Speaker 3: that's right, I'm talking about that cleaning trade.
Speaker 1: Also nail salons.
Speaker 2: Now I'll even give you a discountain.
Speaker 3: My barber, the guy who did this, who did this haircut, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he likes a bit of cash.
Speaker 5: The bloke whomers your lawn will always want it want
Speaker 5: a bit of always cash. Rowan Dean keeps arguing, and
Speaker 5: Rowan's been arguing with this for some time. If you
Speaker 5: run it all on on plastic, you run it all
Speaker 5: on credit cards, you're vulnerable. If something happens, even if
Speaker 5: a policy is set up, you can be debanked. Are
Speaker 5: your bank if they decide they don't like your politics
Speaker 5: has happened to nineteen in Britain, Then you could be
Speaker 5: debated and you can have no access. So he said,
Speaker 5: the more we work with cash, the better for us.
Speaker 2: To the States now where the campaign for Kamala is
Speaker 2: just becoming so miserable. Can you imagine being one of
Speaker 2: her staffers right now. Here's a former campaign manager for
Speaker 2: Obama back in the day speaking to mainstream media explaining
Speaker 2: what these guys are up against, the names they're being called,
Speaker 2: and how team spirit is at an all time low
Speaker 2: on Team Kamala.
Speaker 7: So there's really difficult decisions being made in Wilmington right
Speaker 7: now about what you do with her time, what you
Speaker 7: do with the sarrogates time. You know, there's competing things
Speaker 7: that the press team wants are on these TV interviews,
Speaker 7: The fundraising team wants her to do one more big
Speaker 7: event in Ack City. The battleground states are saying we've
Speaker 7: got to have her three more times in Michigan, and so,
Speaker 7: you know, making those decisions becomes.
Speaker 3: The most important thing. It's why you see.
Speaker 7: These campaign people on TV and they look absolutely exhausted
Speaker 7: because everyone is telling them they're band of idiots and
Speaker 7: they should do it their way.
Speaker 2: She's also notoriously hard to work for. When she took
Speaker 2: the VP office back in twenty twenty one. Since then,
Speaker 2: the people that she hired, ninety two percent of them
Speaker 2: have left. It's an unprecedentedly high turnover rate in the
Speaker 2: VP's office. Joe, this is just embarrassing. And now we're
Speaker 2: hearing about how beliegued they are. There's all we're always
Speaker 2: been claims of bullying and how it's such a toxic
Speaker 2: workplace as these staffers have been leaving her office, the
Speaker 2: scruntled employees all round, and now these guys, given how
Speaker 2: she's performing in the polls so close to the election,
Speaker 2: you can imagine how they're Feelingsiz is sorvil though.
Speaker 3: The most advising thing about that clip, as you had
Speaker 3: Jen Saki, who is the former White House for Biden,
Speaker 3: looking like the worst possible smell had just descended in
Speaker 3: the air.
Speaker 8: It's talking about her beloved Dems in such that's right,
Speaker 8: and I think she probably would have had some knowledge
Speaker 8: of dealing with Karmela firsthand.
Speaker 3: I imagine. I imagine it's a lot like the sitcom Deep,
Speaker 3: which is pretty much a documentary for anybody who's worked
Speaker 3: in politics the best you know from you know, having
Speaker 3: sort of reported on New South Wales politics in the
Speaker 3: sort of dying days of the last long term labor government.
Speaker 3: There you just the biggest indicator of crisis is staff turnover.
Speaker 3: Barnn the biggest indicator of someone who is a rampant
Speaker 3: narcissist with no capacity to actually do the job. Is
Speaker 3: staff turnover daylight.
Speaker 5: Walking out the door can be very enlightening, and that
Speaker 5: ninety two percent quite a few of them walking out
Speaker 5: the door set she doesn't want to be as and
Speaker 5: she won't rebriefing document.
Speaker 1: We can tell that.
Speaker 5: Explains a whole lot of speeches and a whole lot
Speaker 5: of interviews. She hasn't read any briefing documents, and she
Speaker 5: hasn't listened to any advice.
Speaker 2: And we all know that she's absolutely terrible without an
Speaker 2: auto que. And this was made painfully obvious at a
Speaker 2: town hall meeting recently, where we all know the point
Speaker 2: of a town hall is to get questions from the audience.
Speaker 2: It's a very one on one experience. People are supposed
Speaker 2: to feel like, Oh, I'm getting to know this person
Speaker 2: and they're so accessible, this is marvelous. Well, check out
Speaker 2: what the audience was told when one of them asked,
Speaker 2: when do we get to ask questions of Kamala?
Speaker 1: You're not.
Speaker 9: Unfortunately, we have some pre determined questions and I hopefully
Speaker 9: I'll be able to ask some of the questions that
Speaker 9: might be in your head.
Speaker 1: I hope. So you're just here to shut up and
Speaker 1: listen to.
Speaker 2: Pre planned questions that she's been given in advance, and
Speaker 2: her team have prepared answers for her well. Much like
Speaker 2: Kel said, I don't think she'd read the brief because
Speaker 2: this town hall was an absolute sious muzzle of word
Speaker 2: salad after word salad. He has one short, painful clip
Speaker 2: for your delectation and delight.
Speaker 10: We cannot despair, We cannot despair. You know, the nature
Speaker 10: of a democracy is such that I think there's a duality.
Speaker 10: On the one hand, there's an incredible strength when our
Speaker 10: democracy is intact, an incredible strength in what it does
Speaker 10: to protect the freedoms and rights of its people.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's great strength.
Speaker 10: In that, and it is very fragile. It is only
Speaker 10: as strong as our.
Speaker 1: Willingness to fight for it. What are you saying? What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Do you even know?
Speaker 2: Lady?
Speaker 1: This was so.
Speaker 2: I watched more than that, and I was for choice
Speaker 2: in picking a clip to play tonight to demonstrate just how.
Speaker 1: Bad she is.
Speaker 2: When she's not reading off an auto kid.
Speaker 5: She's actually trying to do what it called platitudes. That
Speaker 5: is really nice sounding phrases that every motherhood and apple
Speaker 5: pie and everyone will just nod the heads, ah, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 5: they're nicely. So she's trying to do platy hoods, plat puts, platitude,
Speaker 5: plantpush is something like that. She's trying to say, come
Speaker 5: up with nice platitudes that everyone will agree with, but
Speaker 5: she mangles them. She can't make it coherent. The sentence
Speaker 5: starts over here, wanders up there, goes down there a bit,
Speaker 5: and then doesn't reach a conclusion.
Speaker 2: And it's so painful to watch Liz Cheney's face throughout.
Speaker 2: She's just like, this woman would fail finger painting. I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't stomach this.
Speaker 3: It's like when Ben Affleck saw Batman versus Superman for
Speaker 3: the first time. I just thought, Oh, what have I done?
Speaker 3: What have I gotten involved with?
Speaker 2: If I can, I'm sure Kamala's team would have her
Speaker 2: stick to the things that she's good at, like this.
Speaker 10: One Nation under Her Groove by Funkadelic, One Nation under
Speaker 10: a Groove.
Speaker 1: Getting down just for the it can I get it on?
Speaker 6: Its unbelievable.
Speaker 2: She's you can do, That's what.
Speaker 1: She's good at.
Speaker 3: She's like black female Stephen Miles. She does all these
Speaker 3: ridiculous stuffs, laughs at herself, in the hope that then
Speaker 3: everyone else will laugh and find it having fun on it.
Speaker 3: We were really just it's just it's just so terrible,
Speaker 3: and the Dems have just got to fix this or
Speaker 3: they will never win another election ever again. Like the
Speaker 3: idea that you could have this person running for president
Speaker 3: in the middle of a cost of living crisis in
Speaker 3: the US, where you've got rustbell steel about blue collar
Speaker 3: workers who have turned from Barack Obama to Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: and now there's been this sort of bloodless palace coup
Speaker 3: to put her in as the candidate who is going
Speaker 3: to save America quite unquote from Donald Trump, Mark two.
Speaker 3: And it's this where it's the word salad about you. See,
Speaker 3: it's democracy and we have to fight for those Your.
Speaker 5: Point, Joe, is really good. I think it's damaging the
Speaker 5: Democrat brand. It must be. Firstly, the Democrats lied and
Speaker 5: claimed that there was a perfectly mentally capable person in
Speaker 5: the in the White House, when they knew perfectly well
Speaker 5: they had a demented old man who looked in the
Speaker 5: White House who couldn't do the job and couldn't really
Speaker 5: understand the English language much anymore. So they lied about
Speaker 5: that for three years and then when people finally tumble
Speaker 5: to it because of the famous debate with Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: then they stuck this woman in front of us, this giggling,
Speaker 5: shallow distract. I sometimes keep wondering what's wrong with Kamala Harris.
Speaker 5: There's got to be something wrong. Babylon Bee is a
Speaker 5: famous satirical website, and their answer to what's wrong with
Speaker 5: her goes like this, There was a time when she
Speaker 5: did a dnatist because she really Indian or really black,
Speaker 5: so she did a dnatist and it came back mostly vodka.
Speaker 5: Her staff are really surprised because they expected some gin
Speaker 5: in there. So there's got to be something wrong. You
Speaker 5: just can't understand how someone could be this bad running
Speaker 5: for president.
Speaker 3: Well, the thing was, before Joe Biden's brain turned to Porridge,
Speaker 3: he was actually a capable political operator, and he did
Speaker 3: have connections with like grassroots kind of normal people like
Speaker 3: he did actually, you know, maybe not to all the
Speaker 3: places he remembered, but he did ride the train. But
Speaker 3: there's but there's I think there's a sense that Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: like the most humble thing she can say about herself
Speaker 3: is that she grew up in a middle class family
Speaker 3: with a nice one. That's that's as log cabin as
Speaker 3: you can get. You are an elite, You are a
Speaker 3: West Coast still lead. You are at San Francisco, West
Speaker 3: Coast leeds at a time when that is the very
Speaker 3: type of person that middle American working class people, especially men,
Speaker 3: cannot relate to, You cannot stand, have nothing in common with,
Speaker 3: and despise, just as they despise people who go to McDonald's.
Speaker 2: Well, while Trump is doing very well in the polls
Speaker 2: and more and more people are very confident he's going
Speaker 2: to get the gong next month, I tell you, the
Speaker 2: only thing that makes me doubt that is all the
Speaker 2: cheating we seem to see going on across states when
Speaker 2: it comes to them trying to clear up their voter
Speaker 2: rolls without any help from the FEDS. In fact, two
Speaker 2: of those states, Alabama and Virginia, are being sued by
Speaker 2: the DOJ for clearing up thousands of illegal voters. And
Speaker 2: today we learn that Michigan has a very real problem
Speaker 2: on their hands. And this is big because this is
Speaker 2: one of the swing states. All eyes on Michigan. These
Speaker 2: guys have discovered that they've got over five hundred thousand
Speaker 2: more people registered to vote than are of voting age
Speaker 2: in the state of Michigan. Check out this absolutely horrendous
Speaker 2: graph proving to people just how much over the last
Speaker 2: three years these unauthorized migrant populations are boosting the numbers
Speaker 2: in these incredibly important swing states, some of them four
Speaker 2: hundred and one percent, four hundred and forty six percent,
Speaker 2: seven hundred and thirty four percent increase since twenty twenty one. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously the red states are trying to clear up this
Speaker 2: discrepancy and get their voter rolls in order before polling day.
Speaker 2: The Blue states are doing their darndas to ensure that
Speaker 2: illegals can vote on the day. Now, there's no knowing, Joe,
Speaker 2: how many of these five hundred thousand in Michigan actually
Speaker 2: are illegals. We only know at this point. You've got
Speaker 2: this many people of voting age in the state of Michigan,
Speaker 2: and you've got five hundred thousand extra people on your right.
Speaker 3: I think there's two different shod's being conflated here. So
Speaker 3: from what this article says, the unauthorized migrant population in
Speaker 3: Michigan is only thirteen thousand, right, and that is increased dramatically,
Speaker 3: But it's still just thirteen thousand, but overall it has
Speaker 3: more than five hundred thousand unauthorized registered voters.
Speaker 2: That it would that would we don't know how I
Speaker 2: imagine the illegal.
Speaker 3: Well, it couldn't be more than thirteen thousand according to this,
Speaker 3: but that would be a whole bunch of people who
Speaker 3: would have died but would still their voting roles would
Speaker 3: still be there, moved to another state there, they'd still
Speaker 3: be right. And it's sloppy, sloppy, but it's not illegal.
Speaker 5: Sitting there to be harvested. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: Do you still think it's true that twitty twitty? Was
Speaker 5: it a stolen election?
Speaker 1: And that's what I keep going to.
Speaker 2: Well, they're doing it in broad daylight this time around,
Speaker 2: but we're supposed to believe it was squeaky clean in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: We've got to go to a break.
Speaker 2: But when we come back, still works, losing over a
Speaker 2: million dollars a day. More on that soon, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Welcome back. We're bringing you tomorrow's news tonight. Joe, you've
Speaker 2: got the Australian.
Speaker 3: I certainly do. Listen, boy, oh boy, does the Australian
Speaker 3: have a little cracker on the bottom right hand corner
Speaker 3: of their front page. Now, a lot of people have
Speaker 3: very unkindly and very cruelly said that the Teals are
Speaker 3: only interested in themselves, their own narcissistic political careers, making
Speaker 3: sort of high profile, grandiose statements about the problems afflicting
Speaker 3: the world, and don't actually care about what's happening in
Speaker 3: their own communities. And dare I say it, Liz, dare
Speaker 3: I say it? And I'm just paraphrasing what other people
Speaker 3: are saying here, because heaven forbid I would ever say
Speaker 3: such a thing. That perhaps they're just a little bit
Speaker 3: out of touch with mainstream Australia the anytime here they're
Speaker 3: out of touch with it. Well, look, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've noticed this, but I've been
Speaker 3: told from my friends in mainstream Australia that there's a
Speaker 3: housing crisis right, having a cute shortage of housing to
Speaker 3: the point where some people are homeless and other people
Speaker 3: can't afford to put food on their children's dinner table,
Speaker 3: and that we need to build more houses, right. And
Speaker 3: you would think the Teals they'd be on board with this,
Speaker 3: because they've got the common part, right, These are people
Speaker 3: who they see a problem, they solve it. Climate chain
Speaker 3: housing sol no worries. Come on in refugees, Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: bring them all in, bring them all in, plenty of
Speaker 3: room out back, make yourself at home. And that's why
Speaker 3: this must be fake news. These are fake exhosive story
Speaker 3: on the front page of the Australian Teals with the
Speaker 3: taste for nimbism reads the headline. Victorian Teal MPs have
Speaker 3: strongly criticized key aspects of Premier just Center Allen's plan
Speaker 3: for high rise towers in Melbourne suburbs, with the former
Speaker 3: Member for Goldstein Federal members sorr that was wishful thinking.
Speaker 11: The Federal for gold steams Zoey Daniel, warning crash or
Speaker 11: crash through policies will not fix the housing crisis. So
Speaker 11: crash or crash through politic crash crash through policies like
Speaker 11: building more housing.
Speaker 1: That's not good.
Speaker 11: You have to be crazy to make the building more
Speaker 11: housing would fix the housing crisis.
Speaker 2: They want it built, just not in Zoey Daniels.
Speaker 3: Not in Brighton, beautiful downtown bright There's too many mansions there.
Speaker 3: It would ruin the local flavor. Just wouldn't be sympatica.
Speaker 3: You just build it, but build it somebody where you
Speaker 3: know they call the.
Speaker 5: Poor people like the lossmen of Melbourne is yeah, that's right,
Speaker 5: and I think they've gone beyond being Nimbi's they're now bananas.
Speaker 5: Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone.
Speaker 3: Anything.
Speaker 5: Over the front page of the National Broadsheet, the last
Speaker 5: broad sheet newspaper in Australia, down on the bottom right
Speaker 5: hand corner, there's a story about Wistech, which is one
Speaker 5: of these high tech companies which has done extraordinarily well
Speaker 5: and if you've got a few shares in it, they've
Speaker 5: kept going up and up until the founder and CEO,
Speaker 5: Richard White, had his personal life all over the newspapers.
Speaker 5: Story says billionaire White washes his scandals with gag deals
Speaker 5: and billionaire Richard White signed at least two non disclosure
Speaker 5: agreements with formal lovers, with abandonment of his legal fight
Speaker 5: with the Sydney beauty entrepreneur Linda Rogan, bringing an end
Speaker 5: to a three week saga that's costwise Tech founder billions
Speaker 5: because the share price has fallen. This has been all
Speaker 5: over even the financial pages. Now we have a little
Speaker 5: share portfolio which my wife manages. This is making a
Speaker 5: furious to say because the share price keeps going down
Speaker 5: and down, and it was the company was doing well
Speaker 5: that what they call in the investment industry. The fundamentals
Speaker 5: are still really sound. And this man keeps running through
Speaker 5: the newspapers with this.
Speaker 3: Group, amazing number of them. Richard White's rift with his
Speaker 3: former lover has caused a rift with you and your
Speaker 3: current lover.
Speaker 5: No, no, we're both on the same side because we're
Speaker 5: both distressed about this. But there's more than one. There's
Speaker 5: I think I know about three women involved in this whole.
Speaker 1: It's really finally over. I feel like he's been gracing.
Speaker 5: One of them, so there's more to go.
Speaker 1: Richard, Richard, Richard, I beout.
Speaker 2: You're sorry now, mate?
Speaker 1: Was it worth it?
Speaker 2: Was it really worth it?
Speaker 1: The ties are out?
Speaker 3: I reckon every time I think you're.
Speaker 2: Projecting there, Joe, I think you're projecting to the front
Speaker 2: page of the Ties. And our Still Works lose one
Speaker 2: million dollars a day the way our still works and
Speaker 2: iron Ore operations are propped up to the tune of
Speaker 2: almost one million dollars a day. Gf G Alliance Executive
Speaker 2: Chairman sen Jeef Gupta has revealed. The controversial British industrialist
Speaker 2: says he will redouble his commitment to return the steel
Speaker 2: works to profitability, but there is no timeline for firing
Speaker 2: up the blast furnace again.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Liz, I'm sorry I have to interrupt you.
Speaker 3: I hate to do this on live television, but this
Speaker 3: story again is clearly an example of fake news. There
Speaker 3: is no way that the Wyla Steel Works is losing
Speaker 3: money because I was assured, I was assured by a
Speaker 3: senior federal politician just a decade ago, that there would
Speaker 3: be no why a wipeout?
Speaker 5: Nor why alla wipe out there on my TV?
Speaker 3: Nor why Illa wipe out there on my.
Speaker 5: TV, nor why alla wipe out there on my TV?
Speaker 5: Shocking me right out of my brain.
Speaker 3: Yes, Australia, that really happened, Craig Anderson.
Speaker 2: Isn't that Julia Gillard's ex X.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but he's a human being in his own right
Speaker 11: list He's not just well, clearly not just Julia Gillard's.
Speaker 3: That's multalented.
Speaker 9: A courtyard of federal performing self bearing self pen composition
Speaker 9: called no Whale a Wipeout sung to the tune of.
Speaker 3: Skyhooks is in fact sake, So it's absolutely fine. He
Speaker 3: said there would be no wife.
Speaker 5: You know how bad dad dancing is. When you combine
Speaker 5: dad dancing but dad singing, it becomes a disaster. Let's
Speaker 5: get back to something that's making a bit of money.
Speaker 5: If we look at the Northern Territory the NT news
Speaker 5: coming out tomorrow, look at the front page of that.
Speaker 5: Their big front page headline is Singapore Sling. They're talking
Speaker 5: about a company called sun Cable and the idea behind
Speaker 5: sun Cable is they build this massive solar farm somewhere
Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory and then send the electricity by
Speaker 5: a huge cable under the water to Singapore. Now, at
Speaker 5: one stage this was being launched by and run by
Speaker 5: Mike cannon Brooks and Twiggy Forest. Twiggy bailed out because
Speaker 5: he thought it wasn't going to get anywhere. But this
Speaker 5: is good news. It looks as though they're making progress.
Speaker 5: The story says Northern Territory based energy company sun Cable
Speaker 5: has signed a non binding agreement Singapore's Energy Market Authority
Speaker 5: to supply one point seventy five gigawats of low carbon
Speaker 5: electricity from Australia. So it may all happen. I have
Speaker 5: to say I'm a little nervous because of the words
Speaker 5: non binding.
Speaker 2: Indeed, is it actually an agreement if it's not binding?
Speaker 3: Well, I think the thing was that they needed Singapore
Speaker 3: to be on board to make this project viable. So
Speaker 3: this is one of the ones that we talked about
Speaker 3: when we did the News Corp Mission zero thing, and
Speaker 3: it is when you say it's soul of farm in
Speaker 3: the Northern Territory, it's basically the size of the Northern Territory.
Speaker 3: It's like the whole not It's incredibly ambitious and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of will it won't it And the fact
Speaker 3: that they've now got this deal with Singapore to basically
Speaker 3: literally run a cable from Australia to Singapore and power
Speaker 3: half the.
Speaker 2: City or whatever, very ambitious.
Speaker 3: It's extremely ambitious. They will, however, also now need to
Speaker 3: run a second cable to Wyala.
Speaker 1: To charge the similar.
Speaker 3: Non existent Wyala wipeout. Just finally, I just want to
Speaker 3: pay respect to our colleagues in the Herald Sun south
Speaker 3: of the Border down Mexico Way. This is their front
Speaker 3: page here. It's about a catastrophic staffing shortage in Victoria,
Speaker 3: one of many obviously where there aren't enough staff to
Speaker 3: care for mums and babies, mums pregnant, mums of giving
Speaker 3: birth and have just given birth, and the babies that
Speaker 3: emerge from them. But it's not so much that that
Speaker 3: I want to draw your attention to, but just that
Speaker 3: incredible splash head midwife crisis.
Speaker 5: Someone on the subjection mid.
Speaker 3: That's right, someone was waiting for them. We have a
Speaker 3: shortage of midwives, so I can say midwife crisis.
Speaker 2: But it is some startling research that's been done here
Speaker 2: which shows that a third of current midwives we're considering
Speaker 2: leaving now and we're already sure, so who's going to
Speaker 2: deliver the babies?
Speaker 1: Come on, we need more midwives here in Australia.
Speaker 2: Or maybe they think it doesn't matter now that we've
Speaker 2: hit a record low of one point five fertility rate.
Speaker 1: We've got right.
Speaker 2: Now, you say that every time.
Speaker 3: Come on, I got my three a half.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break now.
Speaker 2: But stay tuned for parents suing a school district for
Speaker 2: a poor grade their sun got due to an AI
Speaker 2: generated assignment Sea Zoon.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Just when you think education couldn't get any worse, it
Speaker 2: turns out to every rock bottom, there is a trapdoor.
Speaker 2: Parents in Massachusetts are suing their school district because their
Speaker 2: son got a D on an assignment that obviously whoever
Speaker 2: was grading it realized was AI generated and accused the
Speaker 2: boy of plagiarism. Get a load of the parent's argument.
Speaker 1: Jennifer Harris says, he's.
Speaker 2: Been accused of cheating and it wasn't cheating. There was
Speaker 2: no rule in the handbook against AI.
Speaker 1: So our argument to the school was.
Speaker 2: Could you fail in with a fifty nine instead of
Speaker 2: a fifty three so he can have a bus. He's
Speaker 2: applying to top tier schools. He's applying to Stanford, he's
Speaker 2: applying to Mit.
Speaker 1: They see a C grade and it's.
Speaker 2: Going in the trash shave his future. This mother is
Speaker 2: pleading and now is going to court because the school's
Speaker 2: refusing to do so. Their lawyer is arguing that in
Speaker 2: fact AI isn't necessarily plagiarism. There are bodies of work
Speaker 2: that claim that whoever's generated the AI then is the
Speaker 2: intellectual owner of said intellectual property. So this is just
Speaker 2: one of those unbelievable stories.
Speaker 1: Kel is like only in America.
Speaker 5: Well, the problem was that the handbook with all the
Speaker 5: rules in was printed a little while ago, and since
Speaker 5: then someone invented AI, they couldn't, so they need to
Speaker 5: update it. AI do my homework for me, please, And
Speaker 5: then here's the document you can't give a mark on that.
Speaker 5: They should it should he shouldn't have got a D.
Speaker 5: You shouldn't have got an F for failure. It shouldn't been.
Speaker 5: But the idea that we can play this, we can
Speaker 5: play this legal game. We can take you to court
Speaker 5: and say no, no, it doesn't come under the word plagiarism. Therefore,
Speaker 5: you've got to bear in mind we want to get
Speaker 5: him into wear my too, so you want.
Speaker 3: To although what the good news is that the robot
Speaker 3: actually did get into MI I T So it's all fine, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Better chances if you're the actual AI.
Speaker 2: The mother also argued that he had a perfect what
Speaker 2: do they call it in the States. It's not it's
Speaker 2: an act.
Speaker 5: It's called a set score.
Speaker 1: A SAD score.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go with that. She argued, he's got a
Speaker 2: perfect SAX.
Speaker 1: Score, which begs the question.
Speaker 2: How did he get that perfect SAT score?
Speaker 1: How much AI?
Speaker 3: That's one smart algorithm.
Speaker 1: You've just opened a can of worms.
Speaker 3: I don't like to thank God for making it all possible.
Speaker 2: You've really thrown your own son under the bus. There,
Speaker 2: that's a wrap from us. Thanks for joining us. Stay
Speaker 2: tune for the Rita Pannehy Show.