WEBVTT - Language of Angels | 3 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:05.040 Hello, I'm back. This is Alan Metcalf. Artificial intelligence has 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.560 been difficult to find because it is like a green 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.520 bird in a green tree. It's difficult to see that 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.000 bird until someone shows you where it is, and then 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:18.800 it's easy to see. 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:20.320 So keep watching it. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.160 I'm going to show you how to see the green 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.120 bird in the green tree. 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.040 Alan Metcalf certainly had away with words. David Richardson, the 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.239 Channel nine journalist who looked into Safe Worlds, thought so too. 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:36.479 Here's how he put it. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.640 It was almost as if he was, you know, like 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.040 a medieval monk who had claimed to have discovered angelic 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.240 script to the language of angels, as if it was 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:45.920 something new. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:50.080 The language of angels is defined as them transmitting their 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.240 speech through humans, and in the same token, Alan thought 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.840 he'd found a way to transmit human thought into computers. 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.160 He called it universal logic, or the law of thought. 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:08.840 To be ultimately effective, computers must mirror the human mind. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:15.040 This means that they must be made artificially intelligent. This 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.040 is why my discovery of the law of thought is 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:23.160 so important, because it explains how the human mind works 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:28.319 so that it can be artificially reproduced in computers. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.560 Alan sounds impressive, but I'm trying to get to the 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.920 bottom of what he actually means and how he managed 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.240 to convince so many people to invest their life savings 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.959 solely on the basis of what he said, What was 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:47.040 safe worlds? And could it have ever been viable. I'm 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.720 Alex Turner Cohen, a finance and investigative reporter from news 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.000 dot com Dot are you and you're listening to the 0:01:53.040 --> 0:02:07.400 Missing forty nine Million? This is episode three, Language of Angels. 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.320 It helps me to stay the distance if I think 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.160 of it like building Noah's Ark. As I see the 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:20.120 flood of electronic information inundating the world and the increasing 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.280 confusion of all the computer languages that are involved. I 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.320 remember Biblical Babylon, it is clear to me that the 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.560 end of the world as we know it is nigh. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.480 The voice you're hearing is an artificial intelligence program we've 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.160 used to recreate Alan Metcas's voice to read out all 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:43.560 the emails he sent. The AI software used other videos 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.280 of Alan to stitch together his new digital version. We'll 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.000 be hearing a lot of it this episode. It's different 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.120 to the YouTube videos from earlier, even though it sounds 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.600 uncannily similar here's Ai Alan again. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:01.360 Our belief is that the Internet of Things will kickstart 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.959 the lackluster world economy, and that Safe World's TV will 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.440 be an important catalyst in making this happen. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.760 According to Alan, Safewoards was going to be a combination 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:18.119 of Google, Amazon, YouTube, eBay, and PayPal. It was going 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.920 to be a hub where videos could be posted to 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.600 advertise and sell products, all with its own currency system, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:27.519 and it was also going to have its own phone 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.559 like Skype, only it would be better than all its competitors, 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:32.919 way better. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.560 Safe Worlds has better search capabilities than Google because of 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.120 universal logic. I do not believe that any company in 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.280 the world has more experience with AI than we have. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.280 In computer science, it's the holy grail. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.880 Alan claimed to have discovered an algorithm which mirrored the 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.920 human mind. This would allow him to, in his own words, 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:59.840 monetize the Internet, as his software would know exactly what 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.800 everyone wanted. At the same time, the Safeworld's platform would 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.960 link computers together all over the world. It would be 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:11.280 in a private, safe place on the Internet, hence why 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.600 he called it Safe Worlds. He estimated the whole thing 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:16.240 was worth ten billion dollars. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.520 This is not multi level marketing. 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.159 Alan wrote that in an email in all caps to 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.120 investors in two thousand and eight, in the early days 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.479 of him selling Safe Worlds, I've already touched on the 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:33.080 fact that Alan encouraged investors to preach the Safeworld's gospel 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.240 to their friends and family. That's one of the hallmarks 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.880 of a multi level marketing scheme, and from there it's 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.920 a slippery slope between that and a pyramid scheme where 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.400 the money from new recruits is used to pay out 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.400 older investors until they run out of new victims and 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:50.840 the whole thing implodes. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.680 The business sells actual products for actual businesses. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.800 This was one of the reasons Alan gave for why 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:02.680 Safe Worlds was legitimate. Despite insisting it wasn't a multi 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.320 level marketing scheme, he did acknowledge the importance of his 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:07.359 recruiting tactic. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.600 Thanks particularly to those shareholders who keep recommending our company 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.560 to their friends. We could not survive without you, guys, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.760 so on behalf of all shareholders. Thank you. You are 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.039 truly angel investors. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.240 Safe Worlds evangelists were even handsomely rewarded with a commission 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:27.799 for their. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:32.240 Work for a minimum investment of two thousand dollars. Safe 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.600 World's TV shareholders and their introduced friends will get two 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:41.200 thousand Safe Worlds TV shares valued at one dollar each, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:45.719 plus a bonus of one thousand founders preference shares. 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.560 The actual Safe World's website worked in a similar way. 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:53.520 People needed a referral to join up, and those sending 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.359 out the referrals would make an easy commission. One document 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:02.120 I found estimated that these referrers, called master distributors, could 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.400 make one hundred and eighty nine thousand dollars in a 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.000 year if they got one thousand people to sign up. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.320 You should think of your master distributor network as a 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.599 fish trap. The more arms of your fish trap that 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.320 you extend into the sea, the more fish you will catch. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.680 This is how the system is designed to make money 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.839 for you, even while you sleep. We want you to 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.360 be rich, but it isn't magic. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.160 Alan told investors they had to get in quick. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.920 This is a once in a lifetime opportunity. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.359 Safe Worlds was going to list on the US Stock 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:40.320 Exchange and soon they'd all be rich, he said. First 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.839 he promised this would happen in two thousand and seven, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:46.000 Then he pushed it to two thousand and eight. But 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:50.479 Safeworlds didn't end up floating as Alan promised. Instead, the 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:55.120 company went bust through a complicated process called Chapter eleven bankruptcy. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:07:00.320 Safeworlds was resurrected in twenty ten technically as a newcomery. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.360 Alan then began pushing for more money so that it 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.720 could once again float on the Stock Exchange, but it 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.480 never quite came to fruition, always just out of reach, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:15.840 tantalizing investors like a piece of forbidden fruit. Alan acknowledged 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.080 their frustration in yet another email. 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:21.880 I am sure that to some of you this sounds 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.040 like another episode of a long running radio sitcom saga. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.000 In twenty sixteen, right before his death, he pushed one 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:36.679 more time for another five million. I still don't really 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.680 know what Safe Worlds is. I want to talk to 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.760 someone in the know who's seen the code up close, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.520 to learn if the tech could have ever delivered on 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:52.880 its promises. I'm here in Mount Glorious, about one hour 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.040 outside of Brisbane. I'm about to meet one of the 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:01.080 employees of Safe Worlds who's very keen to chat. I'm 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.840 sitting on a park bench after a long taxi ride, 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:07.960 waiting for Tarlie Joy Grace Tarlie worked as a senior 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:12.120 software developer at Safeworlds from June twenty thirteen to February 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.640 twenty fourteen. Before joining Alan, she'd been a software developer 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:21.560 for eighteen years, most recently in the oil industry. In short, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.640 she knew her stuff. So how did Tarlie end up 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:25.840 at Safeworlds. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:29.320 I saw it on Sikh, looked a bit, Oh, this 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.560 looks interesting, but there's not much information on the ad. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.360 So I looked up the company online and saw the 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.160 big bosses name. So wrote my cover letter with his 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:43.120 name on it. Sold how some of my work in 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:48.360 the oil drilling industry fitted with his concept of universal logic. 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:52.000 And then Alan saw it and he thought, how did 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:55.240 you get my name? Because he accidentally seid it to me. 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:59.520 So obviously Alan was impressed that I did some basic 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.880 research on the company and put it into my cover letter. 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.280 He was very sociable, very extroverted, you know. He gave 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:12.520 off that really nice, charming personality that if he wasn't 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.040 so fat, a lot of ladies would go for him. 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.119 He just wanted to make you feel good about yourself, 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.920 very charming. And so I took the role from there 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.120 because I needed the. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:29.280 Role an accidental CC a pretty basic blunder from the 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.079 head of a tech company, and it wasn't the last 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.439 red flag Tarlie would get at Safe Worlds. 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.479 The product was completely rubbish, so it was really badly designed, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.200 so it was like black on white sort of text. 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:46.480 It was had a very poor user interface, and it 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.920 was using quite out of d technology. And not only that, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.600 it was like the culture of Safewold's TV. Like Alan, 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:56.160 you could just tell was a bit of a narcissist 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.680 and if you told him what he wanted to hear, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.520 you know, if you sucked up to him, he'd absolutely 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.440 love you. And I wasn't sucking up to him. But 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:09.920 somehow he figured out because I'm a Christian, that I 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.600 could be one of his right hand men. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:15.360 One day, Tarlie knew that Alan had a devoted following 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.000 of true believers, but she didn't see him the same way. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.840 Well, he definitely wasn't a genius. He was a scammer 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:28.280 and a lunatic. He was basically version point five of Trump. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:33.520 As a question, everything that Alan was looking back after 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.160 Trump got burted out reminded me of Donald Trump. So 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:42.240 Alan had the same sort of narcissistic. Everything should revolve 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.600 around me attitude as Trump. Alan was just as fat 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:51.319 as Trump, so Allan is almost aff at the foretelling 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:52.520 of Donald Trump. 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:57.640 In a way, Alan's deeply religious Pentecostal mannerisms made their 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:02.120 way into company life. Tarlie's transgender and she uses she 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.720 they pronounced, but she kept this side of herself hidden 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.840 at work because she wasn't sure how Alan would react. 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:13.280 It was almost like Alan was trying to run, you know, 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.959 a quasi sort of Christian style cult then an actual, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.160 you know, Christian group. In a way, it came across 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.280 in his personality as being one of these dodgy far 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:27.199 right questions. They have a certain kind of personality to them. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.240 It's really hard to describe. And just in some of 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.000 the writings he was putting in so and the way 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:35.679 he was approaching me, saying thanks for your good work 0:11:35.720 --> 0:11:38.240 in the church. You know, I know we can do 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:39.640 things for Jesus with you. 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:46.120 Tarlie was also skeptical about the product itself, so in a. 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.760 Gist, what it sort of felt like was trying to 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.920 do a half fast combination of Amazon and YouTube, so 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:58.840 having lots of videos and selling products attached to those videos. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.840 But what the product really was was some way to 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.760 suck money out of gullible investors and out of gullible 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:11.800 you know, far right investors in the States. Officially it 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.880 was Amazon and YouTube put together, and that's how I 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:19.000 explained it to people in the industry, but unofficially it 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:22.679 was something that read propaganda to far right Christians and 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.720 Trumpers in the States. Everything the way the product was 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.600 designed was designed to suck up to those people, and 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:36.319 it performed very poorly, so it would take like five 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:40.800 minutes sometimes to actually load up the web application. Alan 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.439 felt that the big selling point of it was this 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:48.479 universal logic, but no one could quite explain what universal 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:53.320 logic was. It was just some mystical, magical concept that 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:57.240 was going to revolutionize the world economy. But what it 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.760 was in reality, when I know snucked into the code 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.640 base for that, that was just a glorified, crappified version 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.960 of Google, no search index that barely worked. It was 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:14.240 nothing fancy that made me start questioning that this is 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:17.640 a bit dodgy. Within a few months, I realized it 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.600 was all just a big scam and I wanted to 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:21.080 get out. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.920 While Tarlie started to suspect this was a scam. Not 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:31.359 everybody shared that view. A senior university lecturer from Queensland 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:35.200 spent more than fifty hours going through various documents and 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.360 he concluded that Safeworlds had merit. He wrote a report 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.720 which was touted around to many potential investors, lending weight 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.400 to the company. But this man didn't want to talk 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.280 to me, and he didn't even want to be mentioned 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:50.080 by name in this podcast, as he says he's received 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.720 threats from angry shareholders. So I ask another expert. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.240 My name is Asara Shudozhan. I am senior addicted at 0:13:58.480 --> 0:13:59.959 the University of New Science. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.760 While many of the documents on the Safeworld's code base 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.640 have been lost in the passage of time, I gave 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:10.480 her just enough to form a preliminary opinion. I meet 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.600 her at her office in eastern Sydney, overlooking the main 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.840 university thoroughfare. We can hear students walking and talking below 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.640 us as we discussed the complexities of AI, the. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.840 Idea, their methods and you know proposed in this document. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:31.280 They are all based on reliabilary sources. I can tell 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:35.920 you at this stage that my conclusion is that the 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:40.600 idea had the merit, but it was very, very ambitious 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:41.960 for that time. 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.760 What did you think about the AI element? Was there 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:47.280 anything kind of cutting edge about his discovery? 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.720 He talks about AI in different ways, and it's not exactly, 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.000 you know, clear which AI algorithm he is referring to. 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.520 Does he know what is AI? Actually? I felt he 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:05.120 had some ideas for AI, but he may not sure 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.040 what is exactly the algorithm he was thinking about, because 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.880 there are many AI algorithms. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.160 I asked Sarah for her thoughts on Alan finding the 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.720 secret code in the Bible. She says, it's not a 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.680 very academic way to make a breakthrough. Did you understand 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.720 exactly what universal logic was? 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.640 I didn't understand from the documents that they had. I 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.280 didn't understand what he meant where it's our logic. 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.600 So Alan may have had it the code to cracking AI, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.000 but exactly what it was no one knew, and Alan 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:40.960 wasn't willing to share that information. 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:50.800 Let's see if this guy's got what he claims he's got, 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.520 this could change the world. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.320 This is a high flying businessman who asked to keep 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.600 his name out of it because he's embarrassed to have 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.600 been involved with the Safe World project. We'll call him Jason. 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.880 He's a busy man, tapping the table a lot while 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.440 I chat to him in Brisbane after I managed to 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.040 catch him between meetings. 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.400 My natural inclination is, don't tell me, prove it to me. 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:17.280 I need to see it, show me, show me how 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:19.080 this thing works. And I kept saying to him, I 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.960 don't want to see your algorithm. That's irrelevant. But I'd 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.760 read that there's some basic testing that you can do, 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.720 some really simple things. I said, let's run through that. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.240 But he wasn't prepared to do any of that. 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.360 Jason stumbled across Safe Worlds through a chance LinkedIn message. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.960 One of his old friends had put some money in. 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.920 The two had lost touch and reconnected over the social 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:45.640 networking platform. Given his background in business, Jason was asked 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.800 to help reel in some big investors and he agreed. 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:52.440 Alan paid Jason in Safe World shares for all the 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.400 work he did, about one hundred thousand dollars worth. But 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.440 soon things weren't making sense. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.000 Didn't stag up at all, to be frank, I mean, 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:05.040 there was just other than this gentleman. Alan Metcalfe saying 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:10.000 that he had something that was really unique and telling 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:14.080 a really really good story. There was nothing to support 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:18.680 or substantiate what he was claiming. Nothing, So very early 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:22.359 on I was pushing back respectfully. He was an elderly gentleman, 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:25.320 he was enough fellow. But I just said, no, this 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.240 is not going to go anywhere. You know, there's a 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.919 term we used to use about lifting the skirt, So 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.960 let's see what this is all about. Are you prepared? Yeah? Yeah, 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.800 if I meet with the right people, I will let 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.560 people get behind this and understand it. I said, great, 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:40.960 then I'm happy to make some introductions for you, which 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.400 I did, and of course he wasn't prepared to divulge 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.160 all as you would say. Is I have this. It's 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.160 come out of the Bible. That's it. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:49.520 Now. 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.520 People in the main were trying not to laugh, and 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.320 in the end I started to feel embarrassed about the 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.320 introductions I was making, so I stopped doing it. I 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:58.600 just said, Alan, this is just crazy. I can't do this. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.840 Efforts were frustrated at every turn. Every potential investor he 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.800 introduced to the scheme walked away. Their questions aren't answered. 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.480 Now I'll just met you, and you want me to 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.000 give you money into I'm going to start asking some 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:18.120 really basic questions. What is the purpose of this, What 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:22.280 am I investing in? Where is the money going, Who's 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.000 going to monitor it, what are the processes involved? Does 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.480 it sit in trust? Is it in escrow? What's the 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:30.679 money going to be spent on? Don't just say on 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:36.399 this on AI specifically? What further development? There was no milestone, 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.239 there was no plan, there was nothing. I introduced him 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:45.240 to some very very intelligent, senior people with deep pockets 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:50.600 that he was the problem that he wasn't prepared to answer. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.640 What are basic questions for someone looking for equity. 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.200 Some of the people Jason introduced Alan to were high up, 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:04.399 really high up. I'm talking US Defense Force. But Alan 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.720 would always sabotage these meetings. 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.800 I said to Alan, from a credibility perspective, I'm going 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.800 to introduce you to people, and for your own knowledge, 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:17.919 they are all believers in God like I am, So 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.560 don't run down that rabbit hole. I'm introducing them because 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.360 I know, like and trust these people. So we don't 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:29.439 need to talk about the religious piece. Let's stick to 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.160 the number of this, which is you have general artificial 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:38.040 intelligence or true artificial intelligence, and that's what they'll want 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:39.800 to focus on. So that was his. 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.960 Strict instruction, and did he follow that instruction incapable. 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.760 So the first question, when we were over the pleasantries 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:49.879 and everyone's got their cup of coffee or water, is 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.560 do you believe in God? And I looked at this 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:57.760 gentleman because I thank God I've prepositioned him, and said, mate, 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.000 you may get up and pays this question. Gains are well, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.560 and I'll answered honestly. So he said, yeah, I do. 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.520 You know, I went to a Catholic school and I'm Catholic. Yeah, 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:09.080 I do great, and then started to proceed to talk 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:13.399 about doing the good for the world, what artificial intelligence 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:16.439 can do for the world, what his grand plan is 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:20.680 for the world in terms of helping those less fortunate, 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.840 all of which was great, and everyone's going, yeah, yeah, 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.040 we agree with that. We agree absolutely great. So okay, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:30.000 let's get back to what have you got an explain 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:32.480 it to me? Let's see it. Can we test it? No? No, 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.760 no no. So it just kept on this religious piece 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:39.040 and an end, you know, the guy that had done 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.680 the initial introduction to me, his head hit the ground. 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:43.399 I couldn't stop laughing. He split his head up and 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.399 on the boardroom table because he just said, oh my god. 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:48.440 We warned him and warned him not to go there. 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:50.439 He did, and then he just couldn't pull back from it. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:55.200 Just it becomes a conversation about God, not about the product, 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:59.000 the outcome, the purpose, where the money comes from, where 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.040 it's going to go. It was unbelievable, but that must 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.000 have been his motus operandi, and it had worked for 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:08.159 him in the past. But you know, I'd like to 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.800 say that once you start playing at my level with 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.080 the people I was making introductions to, you know, we're 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.080 respectful of God, but hey, out of the way, we 0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:18.439 need to know this, is this a deal or not. 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:24.000 What little Alan could show him, Jason recalls, was pretty worrying. 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.320 And I kept saying, you know, which is the old 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:30.119 bank thing. I want to see three way fully integrated budgets. 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:31.720 I want to see a balance sheet. I want to 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:33.679 see where the cash has moved, where's it gone to. 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.320 Someone explained this to me, No one, nothing would give 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.560 you nothing. It's just in vaporized. The money vaporized because 0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:42.879 people said, no, it's been invested into the technology. Well 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.119 they show me the technology. No, we can't. There's nothing 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.240 then I kept getting shown some YouTube thing. I don't 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.320 know if you've seen it, but it looks like seriously, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:53.680 it looked like someone was doing Lost in Space or something. 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:55.880 You know what I mean. It's just delusional. 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.639 Several people have mentioned this YouTube thing to me now. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:02.920 It was a test run of the Safeworld's TV product 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:08.160 and has been described as terrible, atrocious, and outdated. If 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:10.680 you try to find the safe World's website now it's 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.640 long gone. You can't even view it on the wayback 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.840 machine as it requires downloading an outdated software, so I 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:21.040 can't actually see it for myself. But I find the 0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:24.480 next best thing someone who had tried it out called 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.760 a beta tester. This is a video of an investor 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:31.199 testing out Safeworld's TV when it briefly went live in 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.119 twenty fourteen. You can still find the clip online. It 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.119 shows a panel that kind of looks like YouTube with 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.639 different video clips running down the side. 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:46.160 Today we're just looking at basic running of this, which 0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:50.919 is an interest distributor channel. And being a distributed channel, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:56.600 I can encourage businesses to download free software to make 0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.560 Internet TV channels for their business. And I can do 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:01.920 that last and go to this button here get free 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:06.040 channel and on their computer they will download the free 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:09.040 software and set up their own channel. So you just 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.600 click on the video you want to watch and it 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:16.720 loads up. Now, if it happens to come up with 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.680 saying here that this video does not exist, and sometimes 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:23.679 it does because it isn't embedding, probably just given another 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:25.960 couple of clicks on the button it's cell phon, it'll 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:26.400 come up. 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:30.000 If at this point you still don't actually understand what 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:34.199 Safeworlds was or did, don't worry. You're not alone to 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.480 try to find out. I went to meet the woman 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:40.280 in the video, Kim and her husband Roy. They live 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.640 an hour outside of Sydney and didn't want to share 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.320