1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: There's a warning about deadly fake pills with schoolies just 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: a week away. In fact, the end of this week, 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: isn't it? I think Friday? Is it this? Yeah? It 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: is Friday that they go off on the weekend is 5 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: schoolies And look it comes incidentally the story you heard 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 1: in on five double A News just a few minutes back, 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: quarter of an hour ago about two friends, two girls 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: nineteen fighting for life in Thailand, suspected of drinking methanol 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: in spike drinks, drinking cocktails at a hostel in Laos 10 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: and twenty five to ninety mills. So you don't even 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: need to take a pill. How it got in there was? 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Was it spiked? Was it accidental? Deliberate? You'd think not accidental. 13 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: But they're fighting for life and at worst that's where 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: it's at. If they survive potential blindness, other disabilities as 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: a result of this, the body shuts down. It's not great. 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: But pill testing to come back to that. This is 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: not new phony pills being sold as ecstasy. They could 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: be fatal. School leavers could be offered what they think 19 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: is MDMA but could contain other drugs, other elements that 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: could put lives at risk and the call has come 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: for legalized pill testing. We asked the Health Minister to 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: come on. We've got a statement from his offers, Chris 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: Pichton's offer saying, essay, Labor was consistent before the last 24 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: election in not supporting pill testing. As part of the 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: policy we released and have now implemented a comprehensive policy 26 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: regarding illicit drugs that involves more rehab beds and more 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: support to families of drug use at school levers attending 28 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: schoolies are reminded illicit substances are illegal and dangerous. They 29 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: are very real criminal penalties that apply, and the health 30 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: impacts from casual drug use or addiction can be devastating. Now, look, 31 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: pill testing or not. If we have it, one of 32 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: the questions should be where did you buy this from? 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Who gave it to you? And police then go and 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: track it back and hopefully catch the people ultimately who 35 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: are producing this. Let's have a chat about all of this. 36 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: Doctor John Williams, President of the Australian Medical Association. Here 37 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: in Essa. John Goodmrning, good morning. All right, So pill 38 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: testing you'd be supporting that for keeping people healthy obviously? 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I mean it's really about harm minimization. We 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: know that with pill testing, a significant number of people 41 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: that have the toil testing testing end up not taking 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: the pills, which is a great outcome, but also a 43 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: large group of those people are connected up with healthcare 44 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: professionals that can help them discuss their drug taking and 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: support them healthier options. So we know that it's really 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: important that we've taken non judgmental stance on this and 47 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 2: take an education point of view, engaging people their brains 48 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 2: and hearts to kind of sort through the problems. 49 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: All right, the ultimate harm minimization is not taking the 50 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: drugs in the first. 51 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: Place, absolutely, and we know peofully support the legislation that 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: these folks be not legal and you know, there has 53 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: to be a clear message from from a legal point 54 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: of view that these are not safe and shouldn't be legalized. 55 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: But also we know that people are taking them and 56 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 2: we have to face up to that reality and face 57 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: that head on and engage people where they're at, talk 58 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: to them where they're at, and talk them while they're 59 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: taking the drugs. And also the risks involved with that. 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: As you implied, you know, this is completely illegal, completely unregulated, 61 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: so any anyone can can buy a plane a pillmaker 62 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: and put any kind of white powder in there. So 63 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: there's no there's no you know, no one if you 64 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: buy that pill, there's no checking of that tool unless 65 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: there is pill testing, and then people can see, you know, 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: what actually is in those and really whether they want 67 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: to take that risk. 68 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So how does pill testing work on the spot 69 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: like that? I mean, what's it actually measure? What's done? 70 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: So they have machinery spectrometers I believe they're called that 71 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: you know, can test. They can't test for all the substances, 72 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: but they can get an idea of what's in them 73 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 2: and also the amounts of drug in there. So I mean, 74 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: again it's sort of an absolute comprehensive test, but it 75 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: kind of gives an indication of what drugs might be 76 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: in there and their concentration. 77 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so the tester would then be able to tell 78 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: the person who supplied it. The effects of this on 79 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: you would be X, Y and Z, and potentially if 80 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: it was deadly, they'd be able to know that as. 81 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: Well, exactly, So you know, I guess it sends a 82 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 2: message that what you thought you were buying is probably 83 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: not what's actually buying. And then also are professionals on 84 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: the ground there they can talk to you about the 85 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: drugs and we know that with all of those drugs 86 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 2: is there's health impacts and mental health impacts and they 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: can be discussed at that time as well, so that people, 88 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: you know, are just aware of these things. And also 89 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: it's really important to know, you know, why why people 90 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: were taking the drugs. I mean, you know, maybe you 91 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: know pressure, peer group pressure, or maybe you know perceived 92 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: fun fun in that, but there also may be other 93 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: reasons why people are taking the drugs, mental health concerns, 94 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: anxieties and those kinds of things, social anxieties. So you know, 95 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of motivators why people take this 96 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: medication and it's important to talk about those things and 97 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: you know, help help people find a way through that. 98 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Just don't understand John, You're probably in the 99 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: same camp too. Why anybody would would trust somebody giving them, 100 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: selling them appeal to take and saying well this will 101 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: be okay, I'll take this. Do we know what the 102 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: the death rate is in South Australia, you know, do 103 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 1: a lot of people suffer over dices die as a result. 104 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 2: I don't have those figures to hand, but I would 105 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: say that you know, anyone dying and certainly you know, 106 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: as a doctor that works in ED, you know, we 107 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: certainly see the impact of drugs and of course you 108 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: know be remiss in not mentioning alcohol, which we know 109 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: that's a huge factor in causing harm to people. So 110 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: I think you represent all emergency workers that you know 111 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: you really really get sick of the smell of blood 112 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,559 Speaker 2: and alcohol together. It's really an awful smell. 113 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: Goodness, So you. 114 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: Know this, this is the real impact that it has. 115 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: But you know, just working through I guess that's really 116 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: important to send the message that which we're going to 117 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: touch people, we just want to work through and keep 118 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: people safe and to live their best lives. 119 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: And I suppose if we do test pills that potentially 120 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: means for your people coming through EED. So yes, that's 121 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: ultimately it, isn't it. 122 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's right. We really want we don't want 123 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: to see people we need e that's that's you know, 124 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: one of the worst possible outcomes, and you know you 125 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: don't want people to have to go through that themselves. 126 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: And also it's an awful load on air and already 127 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: overloaded immergent. 128 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: Drugs mixed with alcohol. So the pills, you know, even 129 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: load toxicity, does the alcohol make it worse? Is that 130 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: the worst possible combination. 131 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: I don't know about the worst possible, but but it's 132 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: certainly not a great combination any kind of mixture. And 133 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: it's really you know, everyone's really different as well. So 134 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, some people you know may or may not 135 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: be able to tolerate mixtures as well, and they also 136 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: may have other medical conditions or you know that they 137 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: may be unaware of that can influence how the drugs 138 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: protect them as well. So it really puts a potentially 139 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: huge load on the system and can have potentially tragic outcomes. 140 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right. I appreciate your time this morning. 141 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you doctor John Williams, who was president 142 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: of the AMA here in South Australia. Robert Simms Green's 143 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: Upper House MP, Robert, good. 144 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 3: Morning, Good morning, Neew. 145 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: You've been calling for this for a while pill testing 146 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: and the government it seems not willing to budge on it. Yeah. 147 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 3: I think that's really disappointing. And I mean, as doctor 148 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: Williams said, there's a serious risk here that could be 149 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 3: mitigated through making pool testing available and I don't know 150 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 3: why the government won't at least consider it. I went 151 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: over to Canberra about two years ago now and had 152 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: it there. Had to look at their fixed site pill 153 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: testing and it's quite an incredible service. So they offer 154 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 3: people going in the opportunity to get an STI check 155 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: as well as getting their pills tested. They've had a 156 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 3: very very good success rate and it's in quite a 157 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 3: discrete area and they work and cooperate with law enforcement 158 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 3: to ensure that people feel they're able to access the 159 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: site and they're having a really really good success rate 160 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: in terms of identifying a range of other health issues. 161 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: I think that the point that I'd make too about 162 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: pill testing is it's not the case that someone gets 163 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: a pull tested and then you know, the person says, 164 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 3: oh yeah it's ecstasy, go ahead, have a great night. 165 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: You know, they actually discourage you from taking all drugs 166 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: and they say, look, if you're going to do this, 167 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: you need to have a plan in place. What are 168 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 3: you going to do in terms of in touch with 169 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 3: friends and you're going to have enough water around you. 170 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 3: But really the advice is don't take the drug. Don't 171 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 3: take this risk, because we know that actually none of 172 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 3: these substances are safe, and even if they are what 173 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 3: they purport to be, it's better off. You're better off 174 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: not taking them at all. 175 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: Of course, if it's found to be they're surely not returned. 176 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: If the results come back, this could kill you. And 177 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: I suppose any pill that you buy in those circumstances 178 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: could kill you, regardless of the testing. It depends on 179 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: your physiology and everything else, I imagine. So if you 180 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: do they find something that is particularly toxic, surely they 181 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: don't give it back. 182 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they can give you back the 183 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: individual pill that they've tested, because you know, if they've 184 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 3: used that, one's done. But what they will do is say, look, 185 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: this had traces of X y Z. You know, we 186 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: encourage you not to take anyone any other pills from 187 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: this back. Now, all of the evidence from interstate shows 188 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 3: that actually young people then don't take but don't take 189 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 3: the pill, you know, because you get told that it's 190 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: going to be seriously risky for you and it's not 191 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: what you thought it was. Well you're not going to 192 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: do it. But it's about giving people that information and 193 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 3: you know, feedback I've had from parents and I've been 194 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: talking about this over the years, particularly at this time 195 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: of year, is that they actually just want this in 196 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: place to protect their kids. They don't want their children 197 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: to be taking drugs, and you know, no one does. 198 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: But the reality is young people will experiment, they will 199 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: do these things, and I think we as a society 200 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: have got to put some guardrails around that to make 201 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: sure that they're protected because really, at the moment, they're 202 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 3: playing Russian roulette when they're at these festivals, and it 203 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: can have lifelong consequences for families and for these young people, 204 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: and you know, I don't want to see that. So 205 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: that's why the Greens have been pushing for pill testing 206 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: for a long time. 207 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: Okay, for as you say, parents wouldn't want their kids 208 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: to beach taking any drugs, no one, No one would, 209 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: no one should. But if it comes back again a 210 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: toxic result, surely the question should be can you please 211 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: tell us where you brought these from? We need to 212 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: follow this through. 213 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where you and I have a different view, 214 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 3: mat and that's because I think what we don't want 215 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: is to create a situation where people feel they can't 216 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: come forward or they can't and get the pills tested, 217 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: because it's going to you know, set them on a 218 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: path with law enforcement or whatever. I mean, my understanding 219 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: of what's happened in the stay is that work gets 220 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: around about a bad batch if you like, you know, 221 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 3: if someone's bought something they find out it's not good, Well, 222 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 3: work gets around that how you might not want to 223 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 3: buy something from you know, this particular person. But they're 224 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 3: very careful around protecting the privacy of people that go in. 225 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 3: So they even confiscate their mobile phones when they're in 226 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: there because they don't want you know, photos being kind 227 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 3: of being information being shared. And if we want people 228 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: to engage with that service, we've just got to be 229 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: really careful around how we do it. 230 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: All right, So working into state you reckon it should 231 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: come in here. I wouldn't object to it per se, 232 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: But I do think we need to find out where 233 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: drugs come from in the first place, to try and 234 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: eliminate the whole issue, because, as you say, no one 235 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: should be taking these drugs. No one. 236 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, I think that's the law enforcement issue, 237 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: and you know, I think that's being looked at. But 238 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 3: I'd really urged the government to look at a center 239 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: like a can test, which they have in Canberra, which 240 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 3: is fixed on site, but also to have pop up 241 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: pill testing fabilities at music festivals and things like school is, 242 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: you know, and then you can drop in in a 243 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: discreet way get your substance tested. But also you have 244 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 3: trained medical people who are actually able to provide some 245 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: support to these young people too and talk them through 246 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 3: what their options might be. I just don't want to 247 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 3: see people taking this risk and potentially having lifelong health consequences. 248 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 3: That's just so devastating for the whole community. 249 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: All death and absolutely exactly. All right, Robert seems appreciate 250 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: your time. 251 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: And Matthew kind of thank you for having me on 252 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 3: over the last year and or so. It's been really 253 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: good chatting to you. I've enjoyed our talks and I 254 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 3: wish you all the best with your new role. 255 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks very much, Robert appreciate the call.