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Speaker 1: Apolgie Production.

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Speaker 2: I need your advice.

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Speaker 1: Are you okay? What happened? Promise it won't be too much.

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Speaker 1: Bring it in.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our Bestie segment. This is the place for you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode about Bestie segment advice. Goodness.

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Speaker 2: We have a very sticky situation for you today.

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Speaker 1: I actually feel like Stephanie and Tatiana are going to

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Speaker 1: enter the building.

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Speaker 2: I think so.

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Speaker 1: I think actually in Tiana need to go to the

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Speaker 1: health food store and get a local love. I think so.

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Speaker 2: They're on a coffee break.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's walk. Came in, Hello Stephanie and hello.

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Speaker 2: All right, give it to us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this submission is very short, and if anyone is

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Speaker 1: going to send in a submission, please give us way

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Speaker 1: more context than this. But we still wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about it because it's a big one. She said, what

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Speaker 1: would you do if your partner went to a brothel?

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Speaker 1: So we're assuming that your partner's been to a brothel.

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Speaker 1: Bind your back and we're gonna talk about it. Immediately. Dumped, immediately,

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Speaker 1: that's immediately.

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Speaker 2: No, immediately crossing boundaries, holy, Tatiana says no.

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Speaker 1: Stephanie says, no, to go behind your back and betray

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Speaker 1: you cheat on you, and do it in a brothel.

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Speaker 1: Not that it makes a difference of in a brothel

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Speaker 1: with a random girl. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's both bad. It's the same, it's the same, it's

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Speaker 2: the same, except he actively paid for the service, Yes,

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Speaker 2: which I just for some reason cks me.

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Speaker 1: So any type of cheating and betrayal where you are

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Speaker 1: not being truthful and honest, No, it would be an

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Speaker 1: immediately for me. I don't think I could ever forgive

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Speaker 1: and move past that. Yeah, Like, obviously there's cracks in

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Speaker 1: the relationship. Yeah, and you guys are disconnected and maybe

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Speaker 1: you're not having sex and all the things, but I

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Speaker 1: do not condone that behavior. You have a fucking hard conversation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you talk about what's going on. You talk about your desires,

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Speaker 1: you talk about why you're not having sex, You talk

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Speaker 1: about why there's a lack of intimacy and connection. You

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Speaker 1: do that with each other.

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Speaker 2: And this is also why context in what you guys

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Speaker 2: share with us is super important, because is it that

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Speaker 2: he went behind her back? Did you find out? Are

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Speaker 2: you guys on a break, were you guys on a break, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: did he come and tell you and confess, Like, how

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Speaker 2: do you know? Because then it also changes I mean,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't change what happened. Obviously, it's still a huge

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Speaker 2: red flag like say that lightly, but like a huge

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Speaker 2: non negotiable of like no, this is not acceptable within

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Speaker 2: the relationship. Yeah, but also knowing the context helps us

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Speaker 2: understand what kind of broke down in the relationship. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because obviously, like what actually said, Like, there's clearly a

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Speaker 2: disconnect in the relationship. For a man to have to

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Speaker 2: the relationship, there's obviously something that's happened. The reason why

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Speaker 2: I feel so strongly about this and like immediately dumped

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Speaker 2: why I started with that, was because it is a

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Speaker 2: breach of every commitment that you make in a relationship

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Speaker 2: for me personally. And obviously you might seem different in this,

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Speaker 2: maybe you're in two minds. I'm not sure, but you're

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Speaker 2: terms with, especially if you've been in a relationship for

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Speaker 2: feel like, oh my god, like I'm a crossroads. What

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Speaker 2: do I do? But for me, this is a huge

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Speaker 2: breach of all of the qualities and commitment that you

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Speaker 2: to stay committed, to stay monogamous, communication, communicate, and if

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Speaker 2: that's the commitment that you've made to each other, there

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Speaker 1: The foundation of your relationship. And this is where it's hard.

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Speaker 1: Whe there's no context because if you guys listened to

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Speaker 1: an episode a couple of Freaky Fridays ago, it was

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Speaker 1: this beautiful couple and she wrote in and said that

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Speaker 1: a hand job for around thirty seconds, stopped her, freaked out,

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Speaker 1: But we're assuming here that your partner has just gone

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Speaker 1: and we don't know what else. We can only assume,

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Speaker 1: and that is a massive betrayal of trust. You've broken

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Speaker 1: what you guys have worked on. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you come back from that. Absolutely don't think I could

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Speaker 1: and I know I wouldn't want to do that, because

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Speaker 1: it's not fair. If you're choosing to stay with someone

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Speaker 1: and forgive them, you're choosing to stay with them and

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Speaker 1: forgive them, not punish them for the rest of their lives.

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Speaker 1: Most likely they're probably already punishing themselves as well. You're

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Speaker 1: it and rebuild that trust. But I do think it

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Speaker 2: And you know what, I know a lot of cup

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Speaker 2: you know, each their own, all have their own challenges

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Speaker 2: like somebody else might be like absolutely hard no, whereas

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Speaker 2: behind your back and decided to go and do this

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Speaker 2: behind your back, for me, it still feels like a

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Speaker 2: hard no because it feels like, Okay, what was once

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Speaker 2: And that's only because one of my biggest values is

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Speaker 2: that for me is not qualities that I want in

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Speaker 2: the father of my children, who's going to have to

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Speaker 1: Got to condone it. But there's a reason why these

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Speaker 1: things happen. Yeah, when you unpack it, you're like, oh, Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's always there's always something to learn

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Speaker 2: in situations like this for both parties, because it takes

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Speaker 2: to that. And I'm not saying that you're a fault

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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, but I am saying

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Speaker 2: So you both have a part to play. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: and now it's figuring out, Okay, what led to that?

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Speaker 2: How did we get here? What brought us to this

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Speaker 2: point where we're seeking outside of the relationship to get

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Speaker 2: our needs met?

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Speaker 1: So for what needs to be met, that's right, that's right,

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Speaker 1: that's something to look at. It's a lot to look at.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, there's definitely some hard conversations and only you

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Speaker 1: know what this future could look like for you, But

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know for me personally, I just yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm the same. My value what you value everything you said,

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Speaker 1: an integrity, loyal honesty. Without trust, there just isn't a

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Speaker 1: wondering what is going to go do? What's next? What's next?

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Speaker 1: And you said you wouldn't cheat on me, but then

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Speaker 2: How am I going to trust you next time?

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Speaker 1: How can I trust you next time? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Am I not enough for you? Am I not giving

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: There's all these questions and had conversations to have, But

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. And it is so easy to do that,

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Speaker 2: to start to internalize somebody else's actions and be like,

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Speaker 2: what's wrong with me because they didn't want me? Yes,

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Speaker 2: And it's not the case. So really, if your mind

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Speaker 2: somebody else's choices is not a result of you not

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Speaker 2: being worthy.

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Speaker 1: Enough, no way, or not good enough. Definitely not, Because.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, if this was Ashy or any of my other girlfriends,

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Speaker 2: I would one hundred percent be telling them to leave

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Speaker 2: and I'd be supporting them through that journey. I'm like, okay, cool,

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Speaker 2: what do we need to do to help you get

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Speaker 2: out of this situation? Because this is not it for you.

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Speaker 1: This is not it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no way.

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Speaker 1: And you want people in your life that can see

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Speaker 1: your worth if you are doubting it as well. That's

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Speaker 1: what best friends are for. That's right to remind you

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Speaker 1: what you're worthy of and what you can have and

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Speaker 1: everything you want and desire. I feel safe and loved

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Speaker 1: and honored and respected. It is out there for you.

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Speaker 1: Don't ever think that you have to settle for anything less. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: if you had a daughter, would you tell her to stay?

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Speaker 1: Would you tell her to go? You would tell her

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Speaker 1: to get the fuck out of the Absolutely no way

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Speaker 1: I would ever advise or encourage Tahala to stay with

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Speaker 1: the man that did that to her. No fucking way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not a chance, Not a chance. But we would

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Speaker 1: are asking for updates from these episodes. Yes we want them,

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Speaker 1: Please bring them in halfily talk about them. So if

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Speaker 1: you have heard your submission on here and you have

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Speaker 1: an update as to what happened next, please let us know,

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Speaker 1: just go fill the format again or send us a

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Speaker 1: but we would love an update. We'd love to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. All of our listeners are also hanging on

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Speaker 2: Know, waiting to hear more about your stories, So bring

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Speaker 2: it in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but thank you so much for joining us, and

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Speaker 1: we will see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye