WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 21 August 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:04.560 Welcome to the water Plains. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:07.400 Good evening. 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:10.840 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Joe Hildebrand coming up. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.520 The Democrats are always talking about how we need to 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.760 reduce emissions, So why did Kamala Harris order her pilot 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.680 to circle above the airport for an extra fifteen minutes? 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:24.400 Climate hypocrisy coming up later. Plus we'll look at what's 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:29.440 making news tomorrow. Victorian schools abandoning competitive sport because they 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.440 say it's not good for children. And the front page 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.600 of Tomorrow's Australian demonstrates just how much the cost of 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.440 living is starting to bite. People are apparently eating a 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.279 lot less chicken. We'll talk about what that means a 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.680 little later as well, but first. The Church of England 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:50.000 is increasingly avoiding using the word church to describe itself, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:54.480 preferring more modern terms such as community. A report published 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.360 in the Telegraph found that none of almost nine hundred 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:01.240 churches begun in England over the past decade had advertised 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:05.960 themselves as a church. Instead, they promoted themselves as a 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:10.840 community congregation, a place of worship, but not a church. 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:15.600 Research has concluded, after interviewing church leaders that their reluctance 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.520 to use the word church sprang from and I quote 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:23.959 a misplaced desire to be relevant and modern sounding. One 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.800 particular vicar, doctor Jarles Fraser from Saint Anne's in Q, 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.959 told The Telegraph the church has given up on church. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:35.880 Not since Prince became Squiggle has there been such a 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:37.440 daft revision. 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:37.600 Now. 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.000 I've got to say he is one vicar whose sermons 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.839 I think I would enjoy. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:43.120 But somebody needs. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.360 To let the geniuses at the Church of England know 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.880 that when you walter it down your identity in order 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.960 to be more inclusive, you don't get more members, You 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.320 just lose your identity. What are they going to do next? 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.400 Change Christ to Chris in order to be more relatable 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.800 to the common man. And maybe the problem is not 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:05.000 branding with the Church of England. Maybe it's the people 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.840 leading it. They're doing less theology and a lot more sociology. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:12.080 If you want the BBC, then you stay at home. 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.519 But if you want the church, you're supposed to go. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.200 To the c of E. 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.040 I think, Liz, one of the problems here is that 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.760 some parts of the church have abandoned the Christian teaching 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.400 of faith, hope and love, in favor of the work diversity, 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.600 equity and inclusion. There's a prominent journalist in this country 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.239 who I was talking to recently just started going to 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.080 church and I said, how are you finding it? And 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.359 he said frustrating And I said, oh why and he said, 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:40.960 because it's like sitting and listening to someone read an 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.240 article from the Guardian. He said, I've gone to church 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:45.960 expecting to be offended. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:46.639 Because this is what he reasoned. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.960 If God is God and I'm not, then God will 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.240 probably have some opinions that conflict with mine, so I'm 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.560 expecting to hear them. And I go to church every 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:57.239 week and I'm not challenged. I'm not convicted. I don't 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.400 disagree with anything, and so I'm wondering what's the point. 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.440 I thought that was a very insightful comment. 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.280 Yet a real church brother. I don't know what you're attending, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:08.920 but that ain't it. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.079 My dad is a minister and he used to always say, 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.840 if you leave my church and you have not been challenged, 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:21.320 I have failed in my charge to you. I'm just 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:26.200 glad the Church of England has enough awareness to disqualify. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.959 Themselves as a church. Thanks for your honesty. 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:31.480 You're not calling yourself a church anymore good one I 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.680 cannot stand. And it's not just the Church of England, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:37.960 but these it's usually older blokes trying to be kip, 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:39.280 trying to be cool. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.880 Oh let's call ourselves a community. Let's call ourselves a club. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.280 You can call yourself whatever you want. The Gospel is 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.200 the best news in the world. It does not need 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:53.440 your lame trimmings. And in this world full of nothingness, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.840 people are being told that nothing means anything. Your religion, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.800 the nation from which you hail, from, your creed, your ethnicity, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.000 you're very gender, it's all meaningless. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.280 People want bold truth. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.320 And they like the guy that that story breaks my heart, 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.520 they come to church, they come to the House of 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.600 God to be like, all right, what have you got 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:20.120 to offer? And you've got these limp wristed losers in 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.520 Pulpits just spouting platitudes. 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.960 That is not the gospel. That is not what Jesus 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:28.279 would be saying were he be. 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:31.720 Jesus's ministry is littered with offended people. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.520 That's how we ended up on a cross. 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.279 So to past us these days who simply just stand 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.599 there every Sunday and give some mamby pamby sermon that's 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.320 usually taken way out of context. They have a degree 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.800 in biblical studies, so I'm a little bit passionate about that, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.839 and I'm sitting there going this sermon is the most 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:55.560 hermeneutically unsound thing I've ever heard in my entire life. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.920 But bless you for trying, if you even tried. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:05.800 They are trying aim to make Christianity this weak, whimpy nonsense, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.240 to make it palatable, and that is the exact opposite 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.800 of what Jesus taught. Who Jesus was and what he 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.919 would have in our pulpits every Sunday. That story encapsulates 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.280 exactly what I'm talking about. And in a world lost 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:26.080 and desperately in need of Christ, that. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.120 That just encapsulates it perfectly. Went looking and was like, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.000 what even is this? 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.080 The tragedy is when the UK needs the Church the most, 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.400 the church is trying to be something other than the church. 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.720 I'm not sure there's many mosques in the UK, Joe, 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.120 that are pretending to be something other than a mosque, 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.839 although mosques are increasingly taking over abandoned churches in the UK. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.000 Well, this is the interesting thing, right, it is still 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:49.440 the Church of England that's right. If they're not the 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.520 word church, they're just the of England. Or are they 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:52.839 going to get all cool and it's just going to 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.160 be like England exclamation. 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:55.480 No no, no, no, it's going to be worse than that. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.160 It's of England, right, But then they're going to realize no, no, 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.560 England is a racist country. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.200 It's just going to be of Yeah. I think I 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.240 think there's a lot of Obviously I disagree with the 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.520 Church of England's right to even exist, So as far 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:11.160 as I'm concerned, this is a good step. And the 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.200 Eight should never have broken with Rome. It did it 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.760 for purely selfish and very distinctly Unchristian reasons, and he 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:21.360 should never been allowed to do so. But given that 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.640 that's happened, I think you have to kind of accept 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.920 at some point either it's religion or it's not. Either 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.160 it's Christianity or it's not. So again, you have to 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.960 be And I'm a Catholic obviously, although I have to 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:33.960 work on some I'm very bad Catholics. I now have 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.520 to work on Sunday. So I haven't been to mass 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.000 in ages, and we call it mass by the way 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.960 people call it church proddies you're going to hell anyway. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.560 The point. The point is, I suppose the reason I 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.800 love it is because, like that the colleague you mentioned, 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.680 is that it's so steeped in history, it's so steeped 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.080 in tradition, and there I find it just so incredible 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:57.440 that there is a direct line to ideas that people 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.960 have been talking about and wrestling with for thousands of 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.760 years and more than two thousand years in the case 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:07.200 of Christianity, and then the Old Testament thousands of thousand 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:11.160 years or more more. And it is not fixed, is 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:15.120 not set in stone. There is you know, it has evolved, 0:07:15.120 --> 0:07:19.000 it has always evolved. Ideas of what you do as 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.440 a Christian and what it means have evolved in terms 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.640 of ethnicity in nation states. That's got nothing to do 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.240 with Christianity. In fact, Paul went around preaching that it 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.120 was absolutely the antithesis of that. It didn't matter you know, 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.080 a man, woman, child, who were all one in Christ Jesus. 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.880 It didn't matter where you come from or who you were. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.200 But of course there were disagreements in the Early Church 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:39.920 with that as well. Some people are saying, no, you 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:41.400 have to be a Jew to be an early Christian. 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.600 So this is and I having to be reading a 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.840 book about early Christianity even as we speak. But it's 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.680 amazing to see how these people are coming together and 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:52.679 trying to grapple with what Jesus was saying. Obviously, Matthew 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.600 in the Gospel of Matthew he says, we cannot throw 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.880 pearls before swine. So Jesus speaks in allegories, and he 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:00.240 speaks in parables so that people have to think about 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:01.680 it to try and get what he's saying. So there 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.520 are just what rabbis. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.280 Did that is a very that was the way that 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.480 they taught. So it wasn't like, oh, he's. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:13.240 Trying to be crypto, because Jesus speaking in the lanth. 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.320 And there are also things that a farmer of that 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.200 a farmer of that time or a peasant of that 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.760 time would have immediately understood exactly what he's talking about. 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.800 And we're going mustard seed, what's a mustard seed? So 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.760 but again, so it is evolvement, and that's part of 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:27.840 the good of it. But again that doesn't mean you 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.160 can just and it comes back to the Reformation, that 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.000 doesn't mean you can just say no, I've decided. It 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.760 means all this and now that that's it, and because 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.120 that's where sort of I suppose fundamentalism lies. And I'm 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.200 being a bit sort of tongue in cheek, but again, 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.720 you know, for me saying that, you know, well, church 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.880 isn't church anymore. This doesn't have anything to do with 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:48.560 it or whatever. And I have many disagreements with the 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.199 Catholic Church It's values on things that abortion and HOMOSEXVID 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.440 and stuff like that. Eventually it comes around, just like 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.560 it eventually acknowledged that the Sun was the center of 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.160 the fault solar system and not the Earth. But but 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.080 but you can't just kind of make it up as 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.360 you go. You can't just sort of pretend either it's 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.920 either it sits in that tradition and yes it evolves, 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.520 or it's just something else. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.880 It's what was really interesting to me. So do you 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:11.440 want to pick. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.800 What do you mean by evolving? 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.640 Because I can read you the scriptures and the original 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:22.120 Greek and Hebrew like it means what it has always meant, 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.559 or do you mean these different churches traditions? 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:30.839 Where is it? Where does it have the it is? 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:36.400 It is? The church evolves completely differently after the scriptures. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.079 There are things that the scriptures do not address. And 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:40.440 there are things like the Nicene Creed, which the entire 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.480 Christian Church across Western Europe. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.640 Sure, there's outliers. Scriptures especially not a script. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.280 That was a conference. That was a conference called by 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.960 the Emperor Constantine, who said, right, what is this, what 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:53.880 does it mean? So, for example, is Jesus. 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:56.400 I'm not having an argument about the canon, what made 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:57.280 it in? Made it in? 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.640 But what this is this is after the canonasically already 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.040 been decided. And people say, all right, well, there you 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.640 had different bishops all around the ancient world arguing over 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.320 whether Jesus was the son of God or whether he 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.520 was also God himself. And that turns into the nice 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.240 Scene Creed, which is what you recite Toginches, which basically 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.920 puts this whole thing together. Is you know, God of God, 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.640 from God like from light, true God, from true God, begotten, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.720 not made, the only son of the Father, consubstantial with 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.600 the Father. So there's all this stuff. So there's all 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.280 this stuff that people are trying to get their heads around, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.520 which is not spelt out in the Bible. And there 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.160 are contradictory things in the Bible. There's no you know, 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:37.559 bits in the Bible, where you know the ass in 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.280 the Nativity scene, does it exist? A lot of this 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:41.040 comes from later traditions that are a. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:46.560 Bdly of sateriological importance, really selviffic whether they're okay. 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:48.559 There are a lot of theologians and a lot of 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.000 theologist historians will say that it is very unlikely that 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:57.160 there was an original kind of Eucharist in the Bible. Okay. 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.920 But rather than get into all the theological debate, in 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.840 interested me was when Queen Elizabeth I died this largely 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.400 self declared secular state where nobody believes in anything and 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.600 when you die, that's it. And yet people were transfixed, 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.560 particularly by her funeral, which didn't try to modernize. It 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.200 had all the tradition but also the Bible references and 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.080 the spirituality of it, and people around the world were 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.360 transfixed by it and greatly moved by it. And I 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.160 thought there was an interesting lesson to people who think 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.280 you've got to have the latest and greatest and belles 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.559 on everything, and you've got to change the message to. 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:34.440 Suit the culture. 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:38.720 The culture's actually looking for a message that is timeless. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.200 Because everything is fads, everything is immediate. People are looking 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.600 for something that has stood the test of time, and 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.440 that is actually not timely but beyond the times, which 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.480 if God exists, then his message is not just for 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.960 the times, it actually exists beyond the times. And I 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.680 thought her funeral was a great demonstration of people's appetite 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.880 for that in a world that offers very little that's 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:01.080 fixed or sold. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.440 Here Jesus. Jesus also existed before he was born, by 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.520 the way, that's another part of the creed, of course, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:13.840 the all time he could be God. That's right, Yeah, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:14.199 that's right. 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.280 Let me tell you about that never deviated. 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.360 This church is completely and utterly based, and that is the. 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:27.320 Russian Orthodox Church. We're changing topics, but we're rarely this 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:28.280 is still. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.920 Recognized as the national religion. 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.520 The vast majority of Russians will tell you, yeah, we're 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:35.400 Russian Orthodox. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.640 It's who we are, it's what we do, and it's 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.880 to that that Russia owes a lot of its underlying values. 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.439 You can't go to Russia and find seventy five different genders. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.880 They simply don't play that game. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.640 Puton is always outspoken saying, sure, we've got twenty six 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:57.040 million Muslims here, but minorities need us We don't need minorities. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.480 We do not change our laws for you. If you 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.120 like law, stay in the countries where sharia law is. 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:08.199 Anyway, as Russia has been watching the Western world trip 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.800 over itself, trying to define simple things. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.560 Like hmm, what is a woman? 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.640 Putin has decided to put a call out to those 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:19.560 of us who are sick and tired of this cultural Marxism, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:25.240 neoliberalism taking over in our governments, in our schools, universities. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.320 He's like, hey, do you wanna come to Russia? 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.839 Knowing from this article today, after a degree signed by 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:38.880 President Vladimir Putin, Russia is relaxing temporary residence requirements for 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:44.760 foreign citizens wishing to escape quote destructive neoliberal ideas which 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.760 run counter to traditional Russian spiritual. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:49.760 And moral values. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.840 Say what you will about the current situation or what 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:58.400 you probably think about Putin, this is a very traditional 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.679 country and it shows in their values. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:02.760 Given we were. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:07.120 Talking about, well, reproductive rights recently, babies born alive. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:08.120 Will get to that shortly. 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.600 Russia's this is reflected even in their abortion laws illegal 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:16.240 and if it's over twelve weeks, and anyone who performs 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:20.680 an abortion in Russia has to try their hardest to convince. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.280 The woman we have supports for you. You don't have 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:24.440 to go through with this. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.200 I mean, when the Home Secretary back in the US 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:31.840 told Americans earlier this year, for obvious reasons, do not 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:37.200 go to Russia under any circumstances, some American joker expats 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:41.520 in Russia decided to take it upon themselves to say, yeah, 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:42.920 it's terrible here. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.840 You shouldn't come for some of the following reasons. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.560 One reason why you definitely shouldn't come to Russia is 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.000 that we have family values here. A mother is called 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.520 a mother and a father is called a father, and 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:02.160 as we know now in the US, that's a bad thing. 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:06.560 You definitely shouldn't come to Russia because we're a dictatorship. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.200 Looting is not allowed, so if you loot, unlike in 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:13.040 the US, in Russia, you'll get persecuted. 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.360 If you come to Russia and you commit a crime, 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.960 you will get prosecuted, and that is bad. 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.480 So you probably don't want to come to Russia. 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.280 If you enjoy heaps of trash and rats all over 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.760 the downtown areas of your cities, then you should definitely 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:32.280 not come to Russia because you'll be missing that here. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.680 The video goes on and on and on. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:38.480 It's very jovabile, But I love the point that they 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:41.360 make because you never know how much of what we're 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:45.000 fed here in the West is pure propaganda. 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.080 As opposed to Russia, where everything is true and prota 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:50.640 is something you can absolutely take every. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.880 Word is you genuinely think it's funny though, that we 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:56.280 in the West think that we're subjected to less propaganda. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:57.800 It's simply true. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:59.800 I don't think get a price for pointing out that 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.520 the West is in big trouble, and so points to 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.720 Putin for pointing out we've got a lot of problems 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.240 in the West. But Joe, surely the West is still 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:11.240 preferable to Vladimir Putin's Russia, as wonderful parts of it 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:11.600 might be. 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:13.760 At least in the West you have a choice of propaganda. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.080 You don't know, You don't just have to listen to whatever. 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.760 I have a choice of propaganda. 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.440 If you're gonna call it, if you're gone, you know 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.680 that's not you're gonna call it propaganda. If you're gonna 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:25.920 call it propaganda. At least there is diversity. There's a 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:27.480 range of things. If you if you want to tell 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:31.360 me that Fox News and CNN and MSNBC and the 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.440 New York Times and the New York Post are all 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:34.840 saying exactly the same thing. 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.040 Could those guys have stood in Red Square and just 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.840 mouthed off at Putin and talked about how corrupt he is, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.360 how he riggs elections. Could they have stood in the 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.360 middle of Red Square and talked about, Oh, I don't know. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.160 Malaysian Flight m H one seven, where thirty eight Australians 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.360 lost their lives and Russia refuses to have anything to 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:51.720 do with. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:58.480 It is clearly tripping all over itself and looking weaker 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:01.480 by the day, especially on to the Biden administration, and 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.560 all US Western countries look to America. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:05.640 US we're the top dog. 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:09.240 However you're going is really a reflection of how we 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.160 are going, whether you're talking about the economy, whether you're 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:16.159 talking about our military might. Meanwhile, the Axis Powers we 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.480 always talk about China as well, laughing at us, laughing 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.040 at the state of our military, because they're more concerned 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.080 with gbt IQ issue. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:30.640 Teleman, So you think we should, I just think I'm 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.200 not talking. 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.320 About abolishing anything. I just know, if anything, this is 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:38.560 the biggest troll by Putin because he's like, I agree 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.760 with that ing. You guys are in big trouble. 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:45.080 So by the way I'm making he made literal allowances 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.760 for visas people from the West who are like, actually, 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.080 maybe we can give it a go and flee these 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:53.920 turning husts Western democracy. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.200 He's like, open arms, you sanct troll. 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.560 But it also is something he clearly feels is necessary 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.720 to do, and it feels it's necessary to do for 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.040 the same reason why the US s R and the 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:11.520 Eastern Bloc countries are stagnated during the Cold War, which 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.560 is that a country that does not have migration, a 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:21.000 country that does not happen twenty six immigrants immigration. No, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.200 they were in the former Soviet Union as well, it's. 0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:24.920 There. 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.639 But the point being, point being that if you have 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:29.920 if you don't have enough people coming to a country, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.280 it's stagnates because you're not bringing in the latest ideas, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:35.679 the latest technology, the latest skills. That is why the 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:39.240 economy of East Germany stagnated and was a basket case, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.440 while the economy of West Germany went gangbusters. And so 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.760 so again, this is the real story. The real story 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:49.400 that is happening here is that Putent wants higher levels 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.600 of immigration. You're welcome, and he'd. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.119 Rather than from the West, unlike we in the West, 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.199 who are more than happy to just be like, oh, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.520 any culture, any creed one down where Like what was 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:04.880 it the headline just a couple of weeks ago, Like 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.120 one in three Aussies weren't born here? 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.960 I mean that has a little massive What is wrong 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.800 with that? I like my culture. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:13.399 The thing is. 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:16.840 I can point out what's wrong with the North Melbourne 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.840 football team. It doesn't mean they should make me the coach. 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.119 Putin can point out what's wrong with the West, doesn't 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.040 mean you should go and live under his regime. The 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:28.760 American election is getting interesting. The DNC, of course, is continuing. 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.679 We'll talk about that in a moment. But of particular 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.080 interest was the comment today by Robert F. Kennedy, Junior's 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:39.800 running mate, that he may consider dropping out of where 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.879 he is and supporting Donald Trump. Have listened to his 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.840 running mate Nicole Shanahan contemplating that very idea. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.840 There's two options that we're looking at, and one is 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.760 staying in forming that new party. But we run the 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:01.800 risk of a Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris and Waltz presidency 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.240 because we draw votes from Trump, or we draw some 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:11.080 how more votes from Trump, or we walk away right 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.440 now and join forces with Donald Trump. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.840 So'd be fascinating if they joined forces with Trump. Who 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.600 was asked what he thought of the idea? 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:24.880 And I asked you about RKA, because just moments ago 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.919 his running mates that they're considering endorsing you. 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.280 Have you considered him for a rule in the administration 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:31.359