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Speaker 2: You're a goa. You're that guy that will have a dig.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're at it whatever. I'll run the bull up.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're that that guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, the things didn't work out in professional hockey.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's just one injury after the next. And

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Speaker 1: I did have a reputation of Ryan the rockstar hockey guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, professional party animal. And you know I was

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Speaker 1: playing hockey and shipping lead across the border at the

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Speaker 1: age of twenty into the US, Canada to the US.

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Speaker 1: You know, started off, you know, it was the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the BC British Columbia where I'm from, the blud Boom.

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Speaker 1: So you know, some of the best marijuana in the

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Speaker 1: world or if not deep ass has grown in British Columbia,

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Speaker 1: and you know I had access to that, and I

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Speaker 1: other ways, and I lived, you know, basically almost right

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Speaker 3: So it started off with you.

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Speaker 1: Know, uh, pre nine eleven was very simple to get

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Speaker 3: They didn't have really checked so much.

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Speaker 2: So those those doc hang on a sec there's a

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Speaker 2: couple of documentaries getting back to like before I guess

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Speaker 2: the farmer fields. When I say the pharmaceutical growing there

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Speaker 2: was that that what was that valley and I were

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Speaker 3: It was the States in the Phraser Valley and d Well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's there's a lot of I don't

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Speaker 1: want to name the gangs, but let's just say there

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Speaker 3: I mean, DC was notorious.

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Speaker 1: You know, the whole province was you know, the majority

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Speaker 2: So I was saying, I was saying a lot of

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Speaker 2: why I ask because when you talk about the border,

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Speaker 2: there was you know, ways that they were in this

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Speaker 3: You know, we started off well just driving it through.

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Speaker 1: My first time I went across the border with marijuana

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was a pretty boy at the time.

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Speaker 3: Went off to the officer there. I had a nice

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Speaker 3: looking on it, and he's like, where are you going, sir?

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm just going down to see my host

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Speaker 1: family in Tacoma, Washington, where I was playing hockey, you know,

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Speaker 1: then you know, we made a couple of bucks and

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Speaker 1: then when do we do it again? And that went

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Speaker 1: well there's something big here. And the guys that I

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Speaker 1: I guess I saw the big picture and you know,

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Speaker 1: next thing, you know, it's blueberry farms and compartments and

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Speaker 2: Let's let's let's slow it down a bit here, because

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Speaker 2: there is so much within your story and it really is.

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Speaker 2: And I feel that we really need to give our

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Speaker 2: guests have very hard hitting stories and yours is no different.

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Speaker 2: You legit, and there's no two ways about it. Hit

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Speaker 2: the top of the food chain through the weed industry,

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Speaker 2: the smuggling of the weed, the whole the whole setup.

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Speaker 2: And obviously, you know, we're not here to discuss people's

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Speaker 3: He was twenty twenty pounds, yeah something like that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well twenty pounds there you go, So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, the thing is is that I

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Speaker 3: And but I was always.

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Speaker 1: Like I really, you know, wanted to be that leader.

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Speaker 1: And next thing, you know, I found a team and

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Speaker 3: Over the years.

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Speaker 1: Just so happened to be uh illegal, and it just

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Speaker 1: Bigger, and I just I felt like a love that

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Speaker 4: Ahead of the ahead of the next. And I didn't

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Speaker 1: But then the next thing, you know, how things all

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Speaker 3: Know, detrimental. I was not nervous one bit.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I was paid that first time. I

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Speaker 1: And I think I did it maybe three, four, maybe

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Speaker 1: did get busted when I was I just turned twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I did close to two years in the marks No

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Speaker 1: Fudgeral Penitentiary down to the United States for conspiracy to

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Speaker 2: The actual States, So you'd got you got caught in

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Speaker 2: the States. And originally I just I just want to

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Speaker 2: its underworld. There's a lot of heat. Let's not be fooled.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to name names, but if you go

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Speaker 2: and do your research to any of our listeners out there,

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Speaker 2: Canada has a notorious underworld. And you know, we can

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Speaker 2: we can all there, but Canada's underworld is lethal and

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Speaker 2: it was always that way. There's some men there that

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Speaker 2: to need protection. Which way you look at it, the

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Speaker 2: are now somebody whom realistically is able to be taken

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Speaker 2: taking business away from other people, especially if you've got

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Speaker 2: a great product. How did that? How did how did

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Speaker 1: I mean I was affiliated with I would say, god,

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Speaker 3: And you know, obviously, so.

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Speaker 2: You weren't you were You were known in on good

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Speaker 1: People behind me that you know obviously you know, no

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Speaker 1: one's I don't believe anybody's ever fully protected and safe

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Speaker 3: You can take anybody out at any time.

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Speaker 1: People always think, oh, I got these guys behind me,

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