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Speaker 1: This episode of head Game was recorded on gadigal Land Saturday,

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Speaker 1: April eight.

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Speaker 2: In the year two thousand, nineteen year old Jonathan Brown

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Speaker 2: steps out on Brisbane's famed Gabba. It's his debut match

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Speaker 2: for the relatively new Brisbane Lions franchise after years wowing

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Speaker 2: Victorian crowds in local competitions. The fresh faced new recruit

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Speaker 2: gives zell in his first match, but as the final

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Speaker 2: cyren sounds, Jonathan Brown has had no kicks, no marks,

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Speaker 2: and no hambles after packing up his life and moving

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Speaker 2: into State.

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Speaker 1: Is a less than.

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Speaker 2: Stellar opening act, but it would be far from his final,

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Speaker 2: going on to become one of the AFL's greatest players.

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Speaker 3: This is serious times. Players soon joined the Brain the next.

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Speaker 2: Naristone, eventually kicking five hundred and ninety four goals across

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Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty six games. I'm at Middleton and

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Speaker 2: this is head Game today. Jonathan Brown or as we

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Speaker 2: know him Brownie, on the highs and lows of his

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Speaker 2: AFL career and his pivot into the media. It's great

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Speaker 2: to have you on mate. Thanks for coming on Middleton's

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Speaker 2: head Game. Talking about head Game like a positive mindset,

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Speaker 2: you know, having that psychological resilience.

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Speaker 1: You've certainly needed it throughout your career.

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Speaker 2: But take me back to when you were young, because

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Speaker 2: your father was an AFL footy legend as well, was he.

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Speaker 2: What was it like psychologically growing up knowing that your father.

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Speaker 1: Was was this you know, AFL.

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Speaker 2: Legend And did you feel the pressure from a young

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Speaker 2: age or did you just want to be like your dad?

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Speaker 4: I think I'm more wanted to be just like Dad,

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Speaker 4: and I was fortunate for that upbringing because I think

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Speaker 4: it does give you a leg gap. Yeah, I grew

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Speaker 4: in locker rooms over the journey, especially as a younger fella.

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Speaker 4: So a teacher of the laws of the jungle, doesn't

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Speaker 4: it when it comes to team sport and teaches some

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Speaker 3: So I just wanted to be like dad. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: was my hero.

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Speaker 4: Still he is my hero, and he you know, I

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Speaker 4: suppose he taught me how to go about things and

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Speaker 4: and take it all on board. So I guess I

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Speaker 4: had I had the self help. God, I had the

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Speaker 4: book there to sort of got my way through. And

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Speaker 4: grew up in the country areas of Colac and Warnable

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Speaker 4: and you know, and back in an era when footy

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Speaker 4: was tough, a little bit dirty beyond the scenes. Because

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Speaker 4: this year is the fortieth anniversary of a nineteen eighty

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Speaker 4: five Grand Final, so one of my earliest memories as

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Speaker 4: when you play footy, you've got to be tough and

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Speaker 4: you've got to be resilient. So probably fortunate enough of

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Speaker 4: the cheese of the crowd. And back in those days,

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Speaker 4: that's what I want to do. That's my dream. I

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Speaker 4: so forever that was just ingrained in my mind, entrenched

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's sort of like a community affair, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's a community affair, it becomes a state affair. It

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And it's what binds communities together, especially out in

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Speaker 4: Everyone knows each other, so I love that upbringing and

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Speaker 4: So there's the cartoon that was in the paper, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. I can only imagine this, especially as

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Speaker 2: And I can imagine at three years I can't even

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Speaker 1: I haven't even got a memory.

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Speaker 2: Of when I was three years old. So that must

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Speaker 2: have been a great memory for you, brownie. But have

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Speaker 2: you got any other memories of the locker room antiques

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Speaker 2: from it from a young age where where it shocked you?

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Speaker 2: You're in the locker room and you were just like, well,

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Speaker 2: was there any moments like that that you had on

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Speaker 3: Well? I did.

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Speaker 4: Used to lock me in the lockers when I was

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Speaker 3: And and then you wouldn't believe, say.

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Speaker 4: I see Dad driving away on the truck because he

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Speaker 4: I have survived this long in the media without dropping

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Speaker 3: In life?

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Speaker 4: During our radio days doing breakfast radio and over here

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Speaker 3: There was plenty of that going on. But the one

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Speaker 4: Goes back to that's where the Kolak football club had

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Speaker 4: They all come in and they sing the song. I'm

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Speaker 3: We are the Mighty Tiger tea.

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Speaker 4: because that was one of the teams of Plagins. If

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Speaker 4: We are the Mighty Tiger team. So imagine what all

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Speaker 3: So there was a legendary theme song.

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Speaker 1: As a youngster, that word is coming. I love it, mate,

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it just goes you know, it goes to

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Speaker 4: Just wander Be was an acro. Yeah, that's funny. That's

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Speaker 4: And my goal, probably more than actually lacing up and

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Speaker 4: that was probably my first dream as a kid growing up,

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Speaker 4: I loved it and I was a bit aggressive. I

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Speaker 4: I was always trying to knock the batsman's head off.

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Speaker 3: I'm coming in off the long run, steaming.

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Speaker 4: In, charging in like the great Victorians of passed, like

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I love playing cricket.

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Speaker 1: So what one did you enjoy the most? Honestly?

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Speaker 2: And obviously I know that your father maybe have pushed

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Speaker 1: You're surrounded by.

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Speaker 2: But did you It sounds like that you really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: Or were you just better at footy? And you just

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Speaker 4: I'm ready to accept this opportunity. And we always had

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Speaker 2: You know, mentals are great, especially you know, like you

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Speaker 2: And this is what I say to you to anyone

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Speaker 2: because it will just give you a different string to

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Speaker 4: I think there's an acceptance too away from the family unit,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably accept feedback a little bit because I

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Speaker 4: we don't accept feedback that well from our parents, especially

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Speaker 2: It's the same with me when I trained my son,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're talking about that, Like I talked to dad,

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Speaker 4: couldn't run a dairy foami, he's playing foot he so

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00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 4: it became a phys ed teacher. And I asked him

442
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,400
Speaker 4: about what the biggest thing is difference in say, troubled

443
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,480
Speaker 4: kids or yeah, what's the most common denominator? He said, mate,

444
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 4: in forty two years, by a comfortable margin, is the

445
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 4: strong male influence in one's.

446
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 3: Life, whether that be man, male or female.

447
00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 4: He said, that is the strong That is the strongest

448
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 4: common denominator. There's that, and then there's daylight to the

449
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 4: next biggest influence. So that's a really interesting point that

450
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 4: he made, and obviously that change just how important they are.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

452
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know when you when you raise that point,

453
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: it just hit a nerve because I thought to myself,

454
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, I've had family influences whether male or female,

455
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 2: but outside of that, you know, in the military, in

456
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 2: the sports arena as well, you know, being being class

457
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 2: as an athlete in the Special Forces, you know, just

458
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,239
Speaker 2: level you up. And I think you just have that

459
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: bit bit more of an understanding to not answer back

460
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: to not you know, take it for granted and just.

461
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Speaker 4: Isn't it Yeah, absolutely, obviously that's a yeah. You did

462
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 4: it to the exchange, didn't you, Because in your former

463
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 4: formal life in the military, there's there's there's no question

464
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 4: to ask is it going.

465
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah, you know about it.

466
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 2: But Brownie, you mentioned that moment when you picked up

467
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 2: that premiership you know, that premiership trophy for the first

468
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 2: time at such a young age. Before I get onto

469
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: that just it's probably a personal question and I think

470
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 2: a lot of ossies will be asking it. From when

471
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 2: you grew up and you saw the AFL, you know,

472
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 2: and I'm talking hitting it. I remember seeing it when

473
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: I was a youngster, hair being pulled, shirts being ripped,

474
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: forearms you know going in. Has it changed dramatically? And

475
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the physical violence of the sport, you know,

476
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 2: from where you when you saw it growing up as

477
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: a kid to when you actually played it.

478
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely well, growing up the country. I was fifteen when

479
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 4: I started playing senior football against the man and I

480
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 4: still remember this day against team called camping Out and

481
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 4: they're full of dairy farmers and they were scary. So

482
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 4: to a fifteen year old, I'll shit yourself and four

483
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: size of your Yeah, absolutely, I thought they're just going

484
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 4: to eat me here. And there was three or four

485
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 4: blues that day, and I remember thinking, jeez, you know,

486
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,239
Speaker 4: I've got to not be stupid about it, but I've

487
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 4: got to stand up for myself because they'll sense the

488
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 4: weakness and they'll come after me.

489
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Speaker 3: So, yeah, no doubts it's changed.

490
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Speaker 4: At the AFL level, the game is as hard as

491
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 4: it's ever been because they're professional athletes. You know, they're stronger,

492
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 4: they're quicker, all those sort of things. But so the

493
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 4: contacts always going to be heavy, those incidental contacts, that's

494
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 4: part of the game. And they've been able to clean

495
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 4: the game up there from I suppose the dangerous tackle situation.

496
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 4: The bumps used to be really heavily celebrating that game.

497
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 4: Now they've been taken away. So I guess world Sport

498
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 4: a specially contact board. And there's such a concern about

499
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 4: concussion it's on the front pages everywhere now and people's

500
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: long term health that leagues are having to adjust these

501
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 4: historical rules, aren't they that was seen as the fabric

502
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: of the game. They're having to change these rules, which

503
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 4: is they've had a bit of blowback for, but ultimately

504
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 4: it's to protect the players from themselves. And the concussion

505
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 4: rules are a lots more stringent than they were. I

506
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: remember two thousand and three Grand Finally, where I was

507
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: knocked out at the first bounce. I didn't miss a

508
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 4: minute of the game, and you know, the doctor shadowed

509
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 4: me for about fifteen minutes out on the ground, and

510
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 4: I played every minute of the game. We had a

511
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 4: great win, but I can't remember how a lot of

512
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 4: the first half. So imagine if that happened now, the

513
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 4: doctor would be deregistered for life. You never be able

514
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 4: to practice again. But that's the thing you did, and

515
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 4: that's what we went out and did it, and we

516
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 4: wore it as a badge of honor because your teammates

517
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 4: did it, your captains did it, your leaders did it,

518
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: and you just want to find their footsteps. But now

519
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: we are in a safer time. But in terms of

520
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: the contact and the speed of the game, it's as

521
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 4: fast and as brutal as it's ever been, as far

522
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: as I go, and we don't want those keen hits

523
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: and dirty pies beyond the scenes still we so I

524
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 4: think the game's in pretty good health from a physicality

525
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 4: point of view.

526
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it.

527
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: Forces you to focus on the game because I suppose

528
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: back in the day and you know we've all been there,

529
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: you're focused on the game, but you're focused on the

530
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: player as well.

531
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I take this guy out.

532
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: You know, and you're not focused on But when you

533
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,120
Speaker 2: focus on the game, of course, you know that sort

534
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 2: of level of athleticism goes up because you know you

535
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: have to be focused on getting the ball and doing

536
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 2: what you need to do.

537
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 4: So I remember Nathan Buckley Backs how he actually does

538
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 4: the podcast with me from Tom Tom works with Backs

539
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,479
Speaker 4: on a Monday night on the catch and is just

540
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 4: a great player for Collingwood, you know, one of the

541
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 4: greatest piers have games ever seen. And obviously we had

542
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 4: the big rivalry. We made him in a couple of

543
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: the Grand Finals. But you know, it's part of my

544
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 4: job sometimes when I'd start outside the center bounce and

545
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 4: I'd come in off the center square and I'd try

546
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 4: and pick off the opposition's best midfield And this day

547
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 4: I come charging in buses.

548
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 3: Obviously Collingood's best player.

549
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,479
Speaker 4: I thought I'm going to nail Bucks here first bounce,

550
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 4: Marvel Stadium, fifty thousand people.

551
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 3: I've come charging in.

552
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: Bucks has just seen me at the last second and

553
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 4: moved his head out of the way. Well, my elbow

554
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 4: was already up and I've come through and I've cleaned

555
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 4: up my captain Michael Voss, another great player, and I

556
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 4: knocked my captain out.

557
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 3: You went straight through him and got me Skipper.

558
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 4: So I didn't get suspended, obviously, you can't get suspended

559
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 4: hitting your own player.

560
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: But I just missed Bucks and hitting.

561
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: But probably focus on the game, exactly.

562
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 4: Focus on the game itself. So it's just a funny

563
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 4: one there. And who would have thought, now, I mean,

564
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: Bucks are great mates.

565
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: No, it's great, man.

566
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Speaker 2: That's why I ask it because you know when I

567
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: grew up as well, you know it was known even

568
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 2: in the UK, you know, Australian.

569
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: Football as we called it.

570
00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 3: It was.

571
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: It was just you know, you'd see it and you

572
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: just watch it purely for them for the dirt.

573
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: Well, there was the famous game in the Battle of Britain.

574
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 4: I used to do a game at the end of

575
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: the season and back when Foster's Lager a beer and

576
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 4: that all that was huge with the.

577
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: Expats they come out, that's right, and.

578
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: They had this famous game after the nineteen eighty seven

579
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 4: I think Carlton be also nine eighty seven game final.

580
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: A week later they played an exhibition match at the

581
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 4: Oval in London and it was known as the Battle

582
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 4: of Britain and you see types that players were getting

583
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 4: knocked out, a getting their jewels broken. It was just

584
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: a brutal, brutal game of football. Not a great advertisement

585
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: nowadays if you show that, but back in the day

586
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 4: it was almost that was what it was accepted. So

587
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,439
Speaker 4: you can understand people from the British oles would have

588
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 4: had those visions of what a FL and Australian football

589
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: is all about.

590
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: So fortunate enough they've cleaned the game up.

591
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, absolutely mate, I'll make you right. And yeah,

592
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 2: it's like you said, the you know, there's the athletes.

593
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 2: You are athletes out on that pitch. I went with

594
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: Ben Cousins to watch my first AFL for and Car

595
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: and I didn't realize how big that oval was. I

596
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: didn't realize how many kilometers, like fifteen to twenty kilometers

597
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: a match the guys are covering and it's it's just

598
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: like wow, talk and that's why you know, you see

599
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 2: just whipped and you know your shape like athletes rather

600
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: than your big rugby players, which which you know, which

601
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 2: I understood when I when I got there, I was like,

602
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: you've got to cover this hole.

603
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: And Ben's like, yeah, watch this and it's.

604
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 3: What it was amazing. It is amazing.

605
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 4: And how long the game is, you know, it's their

606
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: game's getting out towards Oh, I think the game is

607
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 4: getting too long, Like we're getting out towards one hundred

608
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 4: and thirty one hundred and forty minute games. That's not

609
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 4: including the brake side. And there's a lot of running guys.

610
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 4: You know what I was Actually I was about one

611
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 4: hundred and five kill as. I'm not sure if you

612
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 4: got the kils pounds. Was one hundred and five kilas

613
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 4: and used to run about sixteen k of guy. So

614
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 4: you just think I can't even I can't even relate

615
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 4: to that anymore. I've completely lost my shoulders. They call

616
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 4: me the hum and Galiano bottle and of about ninety

617
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: ike ellis. Now I try and keep the weight off

618
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 4: so I still enjoy a run, but I can't even

619
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: imagine being that white. Now I'm still being able to

620
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 4: cover those distances and get hit at the same time.

621
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 3: But yeah, and there have to be an all round

622
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: athlete to play IFL.

623
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 4: That you have to be so talented or certainly capable

624
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 4: in so many athletic areas as well as skill areas

625
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 4: as well.

626
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

627
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely, take me back to that moment. You know you've

628
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: done the preparation, you've got your mentor you come back

629
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: like you said, you put on you put on good muscle,

630
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 2: you put on a bit of weight. You've got the

631
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: opportunity now and at the end of the season, you

632
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: don't miss a game, you pick up the trophy.

633
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: How old are you at this age?

634
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: What's going through your head as a nineteen year old

635
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 2: professional AFL player the son of a of an AFL legend.

636
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 2: So I suppose there's a lot of pressure there. But

637
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: what's going for your head when you're lifting that.

638
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 3: Trafy thing, isn't it?

639
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 4: Because well, initially you just got how good is this

640
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: party going to be? And you know I'm going to

641
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 4: be the best looking nine ae year old in Australia,

642
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: you know, and all these sort of things flat to

643
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: your mind because we're young. We're young, and we're dumb

644
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 4: and we're and so your party and you celebrate, but

645
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 4: we were fortunate enough our team and this is part

646
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 4: of our success. And this has helped me in life

647
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: to always enjoy the moment, enjoy the success, but then

648
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 4: move forward to the next challenge. Lee Matthews how great

649
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 4: coach who you know a lot of people obviously where

650
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: Lee Matthews' work and you know he was voted the

651
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: greatest player of the twentieth century. Full time premiership player

652
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 4: and also now a full time premiership winning coach. He

653
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: grabbed us on the Wednesday after the Grand final because

654
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 4: we had our exit meetings and we'll sort of thinking,

655
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 4: you know, we'd be sitting there drinking beers and still celebrating,

656
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 4: and it was a pretty brutal meeting, like he was

657
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: straight to the point, and he spoke about next seaon

658
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: what do we need to do have the off season,

659
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: what do we need to do next season? And he

660
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: said also too, just a little reminder, every team is

661
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 4: now on zero. He said, we're four days after the

662
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 4: Grand final, You've won the premiership. He said that counts

663
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: for nothing now because now at that time there were

664
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 4: sixteen teams. He said, fifteen teams are now hunting us,

665
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: and he said, you can be the hunted or you

666
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: can continue to be the hunter. And he said those

667
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 4: other teams, they don't give a fuck that you just

668
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 4: won the premiership. The score and the ladder is back

669
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 4: to zero, and that is a reminder that we need

670
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: to come back and be better out of the preseason

671
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 4: and obviously start again. And he always had this pyramid

672
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: and he used to keep it very simple to win

673
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: those to make finals. Back in those days, you needed

674
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 4: twelve wins to make top four, you needed sixteen.

675
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: And he used to work on that pyramid.

676
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: But he said the first step of the pyramid is

677
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: personal best in the preseason. And mark my words, he said,

678
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: the first day of pre season, if you turn up out.

679
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Of shape, I'm coming for us. I'm coming for us.

680
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 4: And that was a little reminder and a less than okay, right,

681
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 4: he's right, we need to move forward. And initially it

682
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: was a shock, but we learned as a very valuable

683
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: lesson and I think that's why we're able to win

684
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: three premierships and almost one a fourth, and we're able

685
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: to just keep pushing forward as a team and as individuals.

686
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: And so yeah, he quickly knocked that out of me.

687
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 4: And when I thought I was going on a six

688
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: month tour of Australia with the Premiership Cup celebrating, it

689
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: lasted about four days.

690
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: Quickly pulled the cup back down.

691
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: And you know what, I'm glad he did because now

692
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: we get to gloat and we get to look back

693
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 4: and say we didn't just win a premiership, we won

694
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: multiple premierships.

695
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

696
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: No, I love that sort of level playing field scenario

697
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: because it's sort of grounds you, it humbles you. It

698
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: gets you back into that headspace of right, listen, you

699
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: know we are now you know we are being hunted

700
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: the hunter and you.

701
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: Have to have that mentality as a competitor.

702
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely you do.

703
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 4: I think it keeps hearing that I found for me,

704
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 4: and I'm sure you'd be very good at this.

705
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: It helped keep you.

706
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: In the moment. Obviously keep you moving forward, but just

707
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 4: keep you in the moment. And and that's why I used

708
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 4: to love him not talking about He used to remind

709
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 4: us what we're there for.

710
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: Often.

711
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was screaming as the training and the boys

712
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: that have a bit of a wins or a mind,

713
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: he goes, you can't handle me screaming at you. He

714
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 4: are you going to handle one hundred thousand Collingwood supports

715
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: screaming at you? Two thirty on Grand Final days? That's

716
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: when our game starts. On Grand Final Day. You don't

717
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 4: often remind us, you know, and and and uh yeah,

718
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 4: if I treat you like like you wouldn't put curfews

719
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: in place, you know, on the weekends for the boys

720
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: to go and have a beer.

721
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: He didn't believe in.

722
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 4: That, because he said, if I treat you like boys

723
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: during the work, hey a, you're going to be a

724
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: man on Grand Final day two thirty on Grand Final Day,

725
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 4: he'd often just drop those things in so little reminders

726
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 4: always as to what you were playing this game four.

727
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 4: But then he used to just keep it sort of

728
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: small goals. You know, I never get to never get

729
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 4: too far ahead of yourself.

730
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: And I still love that.

731
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: I think it helped me as a competitor and an

732
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: athlete just to live in the moment.

733
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: And I think just in my daily.

734
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: Life, Brownie, you you were a hard, hard player to

735
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: to to go up against.

736
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: And you know, looking at some of your footage, I

737
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't say reckless tackles, but you used to go in

738
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: as if your life depended on things how and I

739
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: know the majority of your career you managed, you managed

740
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: to stay injury free. Was was there a a procedure

741
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: in place that kept you injury free because during your

742
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: younger days, can't make you used to go in hard?

743
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: It was? It was.

744
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: It was a funny one because I thought, I, you know,

745
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 4: like times again, a clerk, he's being reckless. But the

746
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: position I played that yeah, I grew up and the

747
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 4: position required. Wayne Carey was a hero mind der mc

748
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 4: brewn was a hero our mine. And they were just hard, tough,

749
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 4: courageous players and they played the position in the right manner.

750
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 4: They won premiership. So I idolized those guys, So I thought,

751
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: that's the way the position needs to be played. I

752
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 4: wasn't the greatest athlete. I certainly wasn't the quickest, so

753
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: I knew that I had to be able to outcompete

754
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 4: my opponent and outwork my opponent. So I never wanted

755
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 4: to be have an opponent that could outwork me, whether

756
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: that be physically or between the years.

757
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: And did you need to switch up your training for

758
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: that or did you was there a certain way that

759
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: you trained that was different to the others, especially in

760
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: that position. You know, you just have to you know,

761
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: you have to be hardened as well as an athlete, right,

762
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: And I.

763
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: Suppose I had to get the size on.

764
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: So when I came, I was about I think I

765
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 4: was about eighty six eighty akilers and like I said,

766
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 4: I got up to about one hundred and five kilos

767
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 4: within two to three years.

768
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 3: So I worked really hard.

769
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: I remember the ways catch Scottie Murphy's still in the

770
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 4: system is that you're long, and back in those days

771
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 4: we wanted big, strong teams. So I had to put

772
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: the weight on because I had the spaghetti arms and

773
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: the and the nose shoulders at that stage. So I

774
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: used to send me home from gym. I had to

775
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: come and do extra gym sessions and send.

776
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: Me them every day.

777
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: Goes right, stop near the convenience store and get a

778
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: large chicken and a loaf of bread. And so I'd go,

779
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 4: I hat this bloody half a chicken or a full chicken,

780
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 4: depend on how hungry I was, and half a loaf

781
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 4: for bread every day, and very quickly I got up

782
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 4: tow one hundred and five kilos. So, you know, so

783
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: physically that's what I had to do and then I

784
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: had to work really hard on my power. But I

785
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 4: think the resilience, the fitness levels and the resiliance between

786
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: the years, and I think that was a big part

787
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 4: of when I went home and trained with my mate

788
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: in the gym every off season for that four to

789
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: six weeks, and we did some brutal sessions. Brutal sessions,

790
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 4: you know, things where you think, jeez, I'm not sure

791
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: I'm going to survive this, and you get through it

792
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: and it just makes you.

793
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: Strong, washes you feel like you're going to pass out, yet.

794
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: You do, but you come out the other side and

795
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 4: you do, and all of a sudden, just by that,

796
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 4: by going to those gray areas, you've improved. And then

797
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 4: if you come back the next day, you've improved a

798
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: little bit. And then I do this little thing. I'd

799
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 4: always train. I get up Christmas morning and try and

800
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: at six am a New Year's day, no matter how

801
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: many beers I'd had with the boys, I'd go home

802
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 4: the country lad so they'd always want to be on

803
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 4: the beers and catch up and newsday, I get up

804
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: at six o'clock and train, and we would do a

805
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 4: brutal session and no matter how late i'd beat out.

806
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 4: I'd always did that because I sort of had these things.

807
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 4: It's a silly thing in my mind. I want to

808
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 4: do these two or three things and these killer session.

809
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: So when I looked at my opponent every time I

810
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 4: planted him, I wanted to look into his eyes and

811
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 4: just know that. I know, I know you wouldn't have

812
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 4: got out of bed and done that. I know you

813
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 4: wouldn't have done that session.

814
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: What I'll advantages, that's I've given yourself.

815
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly right.

816
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 4: So I guess I tried to use that as a strength,

817
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 4: and I think it helped me. It really did help me.

818
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: Whether that at the end of the day it's a

819
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 4: placebo effect or not. I believed in it, and that's

820
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 4: the most important thing, Isn't it added to the belief.

821
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: It's the same with me when I went into combat.

822
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: I always believe, no matter what, no matter how harsh

823
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: the target was, no matter how high the high value

824
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: target was on the network, that we were going to

825
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: get I always believed. Every time I stepped my foot

826
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: on the battlefield, I always believed I was going to

827
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: be on that helicopter home. I'd never get shot, that

828
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: would never get injured, And people say to me, that's

829
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: just a seed, and I'm like, no, no, no, I believe

830
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: that in my head, I believe that I was better

831
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: than everyone else, that I moved differently, that i'd move

832
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: through the target and a methodical and a way that

833
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 2: they couldn't see me. They wouldn't you know, I'd always

834
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: have the drop on them. But in my head that

835
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: positive seed of I know that I'm always going to

836
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: be on that helicopter home.

837
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: Never did I.

838
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: Allow that seed of doubt to enter my head of

839
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: what if I got shot, what if I got injured?

840
00:37:59,600 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: On time?

841
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: And I do believe to this day that that kept

842
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 2: me alive and kept me coming home.

843
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 4: Do you think there was a moment where it clicked

844
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 4: clicked for you in your in your training, because there's

845
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: I think you know that that first processon I spoke

846
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: about where I went on to in MAT's gym. You know,

847
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 4: I think we had to do a session and I

848
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 4: might have to do fifty updowns. We used to have

849
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: this thing like how many updowns you could do it

850
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 4: or burpies, and and it was part of this boxing

851
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: session and I got through it, and I thought of

852
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 4: doing these fifty odd burbies in a row at the

853
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 4: end of a session, in the middle of this brutal session,

854
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: I didn't think I was able to do it. But

855
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: I survived and got through and I thought, geez, you

856
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: know what, I can survive that, I can survive anything.

857
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: Do you know what there was during my selection process

858
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: when I was when I was in the Royal Marines

859
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: doing doing selection, the six month process to become a

860
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 2: Special Forces operata. I remember the first four weeks was

861
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 2: the hill phase where you've got extreme weight in your

862
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: back covering extreme distance to navigate the time sensitive sort

863
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: of tasks. And then when you pass that, that gets

864
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: rid of like seventy percent of the course. Then you

865
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: go into the jungle, the jungle six weeks and I

866
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: can remember the guy that absolutely smashed the the.

867
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: Hill face the first four weeks. He was just like

868
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: a beast.

869
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: I was scraping through with minutes and you know, but

870
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: and I can remember in the jungle just and I thrived,

871
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: and I loved the jungle.

872
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: I love the soldiering bit of it. And I can

873
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: just remember him, you know.

874
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: We had to go up to her to the jungle

875
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: house every morning, you know, and it was like a

876
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 2: kilometer long, you'd be covered in mud, you know, you'd

877
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: be woken up in the night. And I can just

878
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: remember we're all going up and he was walking down,

879
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 2: and I can remember thinking, in what and I'm done,

880
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: it is too much for me and you know, and yeah, no,

881
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: but it just you know, the jungle just does weird

882
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: and weird things to you. And it is in that

883
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: moment I thought, you know, I belong here. I'm exactly

884
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: where I'm supposed to be because I'm still loving it

885
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: and I've had, you know, this guy that everyone you

886
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: know was like he's going to smash the selection, even

887
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: though we had a long way to go. I'm just

888
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: seeing him walking down, even though I was upset for him,

889
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: I just thought to myself, Wow, if someone like him

890
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: is going down, and I'm going up with not only

891
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: going up, but I'm going up with a smile.

892
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 3: On my face.

893
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm loving it.

894
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: You know, I'm covered in mud, I've been up all night,

895
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: I've done break contact reels and and that's when I

896
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: that was a moment I.

897
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: Thought, smile isn't yeah, it's it's a smile.

898
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

899
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 4: I had a smile by the end, of that session

900
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 4: exactly grow belief from that.

901
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely you do.

902
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: And that was a moment for me that that really

903
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: sealed it, and I thought, you know, I'm exactly where

904
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be, and you know this, this is

905
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: the career for me moving forward and getting to the

906
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: getting to the top of my military career. But anyway,

907
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: visit about you may and going back to going back.

908
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: To to your to your career.

909
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: Would you say that you were obsessed with your trade?

910
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: Were you, you know, to the point where, of course

911
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: we like to you know, we need our fun, we

912
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: need our downtime, we need to you know, we need

913
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: to recover.

914
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: But were you obsessed with absolutely one hundred percent?

915
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you had to keep that in check, yeah,

916
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 4: because there is a balance to it, not mentally wearing

917
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 4: yourself out complayer, because you probably aren't got so many

918
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 4: the mental cookies in the cookie jar. So it's just

919
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 4: trying to keep that energy for the right times. And

920
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: my wife had often my wife Kylie, who had three

921
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 4: beautiful kids with she would often remind me of that,

922
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: you know, like it's you know, she might say, you

923
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 4: need to have a beer tonight, or you need to

924
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 4: relax or whatever.

925
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: It may be because you just.

926
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: Get so invested in it and almost She used to say,

927
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: you're becoming a robot. You becoming a robot, And I

928
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 4: think that used to bleed in my game. If you

929
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 4: become too much of a robot in your Monday to

930
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 4: Friday and it's sort of bleed into the game and

931
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 4: you had this.

932
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 3: Stilted look about you so and a lack of enjoyment.

933
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: So she was always one that sort of just remind

934
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: me about that, and I think I got better as

935
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: my career went just keeping that balance and because the

936
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: end of the day, we're playing footy for a living here,

937
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 4: and when you play your best football is when you

938
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 4: were that eight ten year old kid in the backyard

939
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 4: playing footy, taken on your brothers, taken on your old man.

940
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: It was the enjoyment of the game. That's when you're

941
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 4: at your best and at your purest.

942
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: And when you were at the Brisbane lines, you were

943
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,959
Speaker 1: offered multiple contracts to go elsewhere. What kept you there, mate?

944
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: What was the you know, you offered a lot of money.

945
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: What what kept you with?

946
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 4: Well, I suppose it's the history of the lines, with

947
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: dad playing the lines and representing the same jump out

948
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 4: and having that premiership success, obviously you build up the

949
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 4: relationships not.

950
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 3: Over the players but all the staff that look after you.

951
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 4: And I married at Queensland Girl, so that certainly keeps

952
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 4: you a bit closer to high We still live in

953
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: Queensland women, right, Yeah, they just dragged you back. So

954
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: it was it was, you know, and then I was

955
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: the captain of the club. When I really got close

956
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 4: to going to Collingwood back in about two thousand and seven,

957
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, I think it was I was

958
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 4: the captain of the club and Kylin myself are about

959
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 4: to get married and start a family, you know, so

960
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 4: it would have been a big thing to leave, but

961
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: as the skipper of the club too, like that would

962
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 4: have been a big thing to leave the club when

963
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 4: you're the leader of the club. So ultimately I decided

964
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 4: to stay and certainly no regrets about that, and unfortunately

965
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 4: didn't quite work out as well from a team success

966
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: point of view those last few years, and it was

967
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: a challenge. Collingwood went on to win a premiership. So

968
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 4: maybe I made the wrong maybe I wronged, made the

969
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: wrong choice. That was Collingwood supports often remind me about that,

970
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 4: but I bet that's right, but but you know, that's

971
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 4: that's life and no regrets.

972
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: When you look back in your footy career.

973
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: And when you played, was there a sense of responsibility?

974
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 2: Did you always have sort of your dad on your

975
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 2: shoulder to help you, you know, stay grounded, to help

976
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: you know, because if you let yourself down, you would

977
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: have let him down. Do you think that your father

978
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: being on your shoulder was a great sort of leveler

979
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: to your success?

980
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: Well, I think you Representing your family is a huge thing.

981
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 4: Certainly was for me, and I wanted to make them

982
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 4: feel proud for obviously the hard work that they put in.

983
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 4: My mum was my dad was still involved in footy,

984
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: so mum was the taxi driver. And growing up in

985
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 4: the country, especially playing representing footy, you do a lot

986
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: of miles and we used to have to go two

987
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 4: hours to training on a Thursday night at Geelong and

988
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 4: then for the games. It could be anywhere between two

989
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: to four hours for the games and Mum was off

990
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 4: and the taxi driver for that, so we had plenty

991
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 4: of long conversations. Used to give me the shits when

992
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: she said this good antique store. She loved her antiques,

993
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 4: so she's stopping an antique store and then I'd be

994
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 4: running laid for the footy.

995
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: Some country town somewhere.

996
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 4: And you know, so you wanted to make especially your

997
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 4: pearans prayer, but all your family prayer and obviously your

998
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 4: teammates and the people involved at the footy club at

999
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: the time. And so yeah, I think there's for me

1000
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 4: that was really a strong driver for me, and no

1001
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 4: question about that.

1002
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1003
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: And you know, to finish up, mate, you played two

1004
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six games and scored five hundred and

1005
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: ninety four goals. Mate, that average that is phenomenal. Do

1006
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 2: you have a favorite goal that you could Is there

1007
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: one that six out? I know there's so mate, I

1008
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: know there's so many.

1009
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 3: Of them, right finals you remember one.

1010
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: You know, one where you were just like, yes, this

1011
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: is this?

1012
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: Is it?

1013
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: Or or do they all just merge together.

1014
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 4: A couple of I kicked a couple of goals to

1015
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 4: one of the tiler game and won the winning game

1016
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 4: on or after the siren. So they're the ones where

1017
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: you feel probably the most amount of pressure because you

1018
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 4: think I miss this, teammates are not going to want

1019
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: to talk to me. So that happened twice, once against

1020
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 4: West cast Eagles, once against Sydney. I think it was,

1021
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 4: but the Grand final ones are always memorable and probably

1022
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 4: the most important kick I had in my career that

1023
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 4: I kicked because you missed plenty, but you've got to

1024
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: put your head on the chopper. But I learned a

1025
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: very valuable lesson a bit goalkicking when I was young

1026
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 4: and taking opportunities or embracing the opportunities running towards the

1027
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 4: fire first year, late in the game, will behind and

1028
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 4: I thought, shit, if I get the ball and I

1029
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 4: have to kick for goal late in the game and

1030
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: I miss, imagine what everyone's going to think of me.

1031
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 4: So I almost almost ran away from the football or

1032
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 4: certainly didn't want to put myself in this situation enough.

1033
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 4: And guess what, the ball found me unbelievable, even though

1034
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: I wasn't trying to find the ball. And I had

1035
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: this shot and I missed a critical shot late in

1036
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: the game, we lost the gap, and from that point

1037
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: on that was a valuable lesson. I was running away

1038
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 4: from the fire and the fire got me, And from

1039
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 4: that point on, my mentality with goal kicking spish in

1040
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 4: those late game scenarios or late courter scenarios. I ran

1041
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: towards the fire and I think that put me in

1042
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 4: a lot better in mental space. Yeah, mindset put me

1043
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 4: in a lot better mindset to be more successful with

1044
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 4: my goalkicking routine, and I became a pretty good goal

1045
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 4: kicker in those pressure moments. So late in the third

1046
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 4: quarter against Collingwood, we're losing touch with him a little bit.

1047
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 4: We were the massive favorites, Collingwood were huge underdogs. Without

1048
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 4: getting over the top of us, I had to help

1049
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,479
Speaker 4: turn the game for our team. We got a shot

1050
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 4: late in the game about forty eight out from a

1051
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 4: pretty tight angle and Vossi, a great premiership captain, came

1052
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,959
Speaker 4: over to me. Now, Carton coach came over and said,

1053
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 4: big fella, we bloody need this.

1054
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 3: And when a man with.

1055
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 4: That much conviction stairs during the eyes and said we

1056
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: need this, I thought, I've got no choice, have I end?

1057
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 4: I've got to whack this straight through the minute and

1058
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 4: I reckon it was the most purest kick I ever hit.

1059
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 4: As soon as that ball hit my boot and left

1060
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 4: the boot, it was going nowhere but the middle of

1061
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 4: the goals. And so that was a great man. You

1062
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 4: were able to I guess, survive the pressure and help

1063
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 4: your team mates. And we went on to win that

1064
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 4: class Grand final by a class margin. But that helped

1065
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 4: give us the imputus to get us have the one

1066
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: that day.

1067
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: I love that, mate. You're in it anyway, so run

1068
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: towards the fire.

1069
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1070
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: It's a great lesson.

1071
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: And the final question for you, mate, how hard is

1072
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: it now that you're in the media world. How hard

1073
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: is it to stay out of trouble and how hard

1074
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: is it not to bring your your pretty locker room

1075
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: antics to the to the media space where the limelight

1076
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: is on you and sometimes you.

1077
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 4: Have to go I know, Mum, would I say when

1078
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 4: dear old mom? God bless us. So they passed away

1079
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 4: a couple of years ago. Mom, she'd always ring me

1080
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 4: and go JB. She called me JB. When you go

1081
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 4: on TV tonight, don't swear, don't swear. So I often

1082
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 4: to revive myself, especially a live TV which I'm on tonight.

1083
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 4: Don't swear. That's whereas the cameras are there to roll.

1084
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 4: So so it's been very fortunate, as you would know.

1085
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 4: You know, he's a great industry. Fortunate enough. It's a

1086
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 4: privilege to still be involved for over ten years now

1087
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 4: since I retired and still get to. I get paid

1088
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 4: to go and watch games of football and call games

1089
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 4: of football and what's great athletes in action and discuss

1090
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 4: it and break it down and gives me a great

1091
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: balance with my family. I know you've got your family

1092
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 4: with you currently and often I bring the kids down

1093
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: in Melbourne with me.

1094
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: I've got my daughter.

1095
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 4: She took me to Beatlejuice some musical the other night,

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Speaker 4: so that was a little bit different, account mate, exactly right,

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Speaker 4: So you know that was you know, so just just

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Speaker 4: great memories and I've really enjoyed my time in the

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Speaker 4: media post football.

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Speaker 2: And Brownie Listen. Thank you for coming on my podcast

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Speaker 2: head game mate. It has been an absolute pleasure. Time

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Speaker 2: has flown. Had a ball, mate, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I've had a ball to and I love your shows

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Speaker 4: to and listen. I've had your audio book as well, mate,

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Speaker 4: that was fantastic. Or you're writing plenty of books. You're

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Speaker 4: an author and I'm an author as well, mate, but

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Speaker 4: I wrote the forward. I think that was about enough

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Speaker 4: for me, so I had to have some help after that.

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Speaker 1: Listen, thanks mate, and hopefully we'll catch up sooner.

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Speaker 3: Take care. Thanks.

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Speaker 2: You can catch more from Jonathan Brown twice a week

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Speaker 2: on Brownie's podcast. I'll put the link in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me on this episode of head Game.

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Speaker 2: If you enjoyed this episode, share it with a friend.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Middleton. See you again next time.