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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: you are around the planet. This is your ultimate guide

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the season is over for nine clubs and soon

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Speaker 2: officially ten as the AFL world awaits a Wednesday night

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Speaker 2: blockbuster and the weight for the Bulldogs is one of

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Speaker 2: the most agonizing in footy history. Yes, a weight they

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Speaker 2: could have avoided if they've just beaten the Dockers on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: So anticipating a Sun's win over the Bomber's VFL side

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Speaker 2: will do the bottom ten brutal reviews and what they

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Speaker 2: can do each at the trade table, plus tackle all

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Speaker 2: the big footy issues. On the Fox Footy Podcast, Ben

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Speaker 2: Waterworth with you as is the man most excited in

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Speaker 2: the footy world for off season Central season. Max Lordon, Hello, MAXI.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm The listings do quite well digitally, let's say

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Speaker 3: so people are interested to see who is leaving their

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Speaker 3: football clubs. Import got started on Monday, big very much

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Speaker 3: delisting season. A lot of exit meetings going on after

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Speaker 3: live latter season. There's always a season. There is season season, Yes,

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Speaker 3: sad end and final season is just around the corner

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Speaker 3: of the most one half time of the year. As

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Speaker 3: Andy Williams One thing about Christmas? Also joining us hunting

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Speaker 3: the scoop of how Andy Brayshaw went in a commerce

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Speaker 3: test on Monday. Will Faulkner, Hello there you Tensil.

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Speaker 4: Hello Ben, Hello, Marx Shallo listeners. Yes, spoke with Andy

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Speaker 4: very very good, very happy. Really yeah, surprisingly had a

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Speaker 4: good day. Yes, they all had a very good day.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, hoping Andy, who is obviously a regular listener,

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Speaker 4: is a commerce test.

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Speaker 2: Where's he studying?

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Speaker 4: Did you get a Curtain University club sponsor?

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, well I hope everyone Cotton's onto that deal.

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Speaker 2: All I'm saying what you did? Tell us just quickly

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Speaker 2: a quarter time it looked like the Dogs by a lot,

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Speaker 2: words of the late E. J. Whitten, stuck it right

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Speaker 2: up them. The Doggers performance.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it was a game that, as you said,

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Speaker 4: they got to a very slowish start, and then from

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Speaker 3: Be fair, only comparable to their second quarter against the

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Speaker 3: Dogs earlier this year. Two games where they've just run

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Speaker 4: It was just beautiful football, very pure. And then yeah,

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Speaker 3: They basically had the season that Collingwood had in twenty

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Speaker 3: In the end, they just didn't get in the top

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Speaker 2: And totally rubbishes the notion that players and coaches do

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Speaker 2: Ever, that's right just before we came on as well,

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Speaker 2: Any glaring calls there, either inns or outs fork from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, his pressure is always there and Long's probably that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, broadly speaking, I think they were cowardly is a

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Speaker 3: They have removed the drama of who truly gets snubbed

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Speaker 3: Sherry gets overrated a little bit because of fantasy scores

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Speaker 3: Coaches specifically this but they love super coaches actually, so yes,

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Speaker 3: on Breen, I think you could go Sherry over Jackson.

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Speaker 2: be fascinating to see how this All Australian team goes

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Speaker 2: against Mars and a couple of that's right, Thursday Night.

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Speaker 3: The most exciting part of the All Australian reveal, of

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Speaker 3: we're gonna love all of them, but they're just not

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Speaker 3: a Friday. GWSB Hawthorne is not really a Friday night

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Speaker 3: They want the MCG in that time slot. They loved

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Speaker 3: doing the Adelaide games on Thursday nights. Yeah, it all

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Speaker 4: I can't understand why the AFA was doing it, and

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Speaker 4: they haven't confirmed the times, but that Friday game will

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Speaker 2: They learned a lot.

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Speaker 3: They got some positives in terms of guys finally coming

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Speaker 3: So there are finally reasons to be optimistic. But it

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Speaker 4: I don't say there was just no real sign of

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Speaker 2: Little bit of promise finally showed something at least.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you'd be surprised he's been pretty busy away full

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Speaker 2: Dowek Fantasy Podcast, isn't he just so what we're going

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Speaker 2: that Oscar Allen has officially informed West Coast he wants

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Speaker 4: Statistically via Champion Data, they have lost their clearance count

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Speaker 4: like an Adelaide Matt Crouch's that's where they need it.

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Speaker 4: Stell would be perfect for it, he would.

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Speaker 4: They look at sorry Max Kruber, Duff Tyler. Was he

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Speaker 2: It's just a case from a list perspective, fourk of

437
00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,320
Speaker 2: them just going back to the draft really sounds likely.

438
00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,359
Speaker 4: I think so. I haven't seen or heard so many

439
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,560
Speaker 4: links to Richmond on the trade front, so it's not

440
00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,000
Speaker 4: time for them to do that. No, I don't think

441
00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,320
Speaker 4: so either got the.

442
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,240
Speaker 2: Two picks this year, considering they have North Melbourne's first round,

443
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:03,880
Speaker 2: so three.

444
00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,919
Speaker 4: And four you would suspect yeah, yeah, which yeah, as

445
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 4: you both said, can only be a good thing for them.

446
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 4: They're okay with letting someone like a Canda Macintosh go,

447
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,440
Speaker 4: which tells me they're backing in their youth.

448
00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 2: I think.

449
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,320
Speaker 4: I think he's been quite serviceable personally in the midfielder

450
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,399
Speaker 4: is a bit of a veteran guiding light for a

451
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,200
Speaker 4: few of the young guys. Champion data say that two

452
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,439
Speaker 4: way midfielder is what they need the most. So Richmond

453
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,439
Speaker 4: can see the third most goals to opposition midfielders this season.

454
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,120
Speaker 4: So someone who can work both ways. But that's young

455
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:32,360
Speaker 4: guys probably just finding their feet.

456
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,240
Speaker 2: Marcus Windhager, he would be a good fit.

457
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,800
Speaker 4: No, no, it hasn't mean linked to Richmond, but someone

458
00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 4: like that who's very He's got a very good defensive

459
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,520
Speaker 4: game and has shown that he can accumulate the ball

460
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,960
Speaker 4: as well. So yeah, I think he's fitting into more

461
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 4: and more clubs.

462
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,680
Speaker 2: North Melbourne C minus their worst this year was really bad,

463
00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 2: but they did come up with some impressive performances and

464
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,400
Speaker 2: I suppose overall showed growth.

465
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Speaker 3: I think you could probably to see minus hinting down yes,

466
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 3: because the bed yes, yes, it is a very very

467
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 3: large one. It's the bare minimum. Was escaping the bottom too,

468
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 3: and they did that by a draw against Brisbane, but

469
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 3: by a draw, yes, So you realistically, when you look

470
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,560
Speaker 3: at Essendon with half the list injured all year and

471
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,359
Speaker 3: North Melbourne with some injuries but nowhere near as many,

472
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 3: they should have probably done a little bit better. And

473
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 3: a lot of people wanted them to be the team

474
00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 3: that finally gets okay, gets to eight or nine wins.

475
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,320
Speaker 3: I think that was always going to be optimistic. This

476
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 3: was always going to be roughly where I had them,

477
00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,359
Speaker 3: But I could totally understand being a little concerned that

478
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 3: they're still not showing as much as you want. Clarkson's

479
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 3: third season at the Helm, so you wanted more development.

480
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 3: There are just too many games that they just look

481
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 3: like a rabble defensively. Yes, the recruits that they brought in,

482
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 3: some of them did their job, particularly the older guys

483
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 3: Parker and Darling just you know, did what you would

484
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,280
Speaker 3: expect those players to do at their age. But Calum

485
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 3: Daniel hasn't worked already. That does not appear to be

486
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,640
Speaker 3: a successful move. And that's a tick in the Bulldogs column,

487
00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,160
Speaker 3: in fact, one of many from their departure last off season.

488
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 3: But no, North Melbourne next year has to be the

489
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: year they get to at least okay, they have to

490
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 3: be at least in that eleventh or fourteenth bracket or

491
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 3: else you start to get really worried.

492
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, they were the second worst defensive team

493
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 2: in the competition this year. Defense continues to plague this

494
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 2: team would be an issue for them, even though they

495
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: were pretty good offensively. But going back the other way

496
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: will they were exposed? So where does that leave them?

497
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,040
Speaker 2: From a list perspective?

498
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 4: That leaves them needing an intercepting defender. So only Charlie

499
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 4: combenraated above average or better for intercept possessions this season,

500
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 4: and we saw he breakout might be a little bit strong,

501
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,280
Speaker 4: but he really excelled in the role that he was

502
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,959
Speaker 4: given down back and clearly just didn't have much support.

503
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Toby Pink was infrequently popping up and had

504
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 4: a good month during the middle of the season King's Man.

505
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I thought it's worth I sit

506
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,880
Speaker 4: probably more on the pessimistic side with North. I think

507
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 4: it's almost heavy deep plus. If anything, I just feel

508
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 4: like we had the exact same conversations last year about them,

509
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 4: and after twelve months they don't really have any much

510
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 4: more to show for it other than the fact that Richmond.

511
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 4: I mean, their list has been well documenteds to how

512
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,760
Speaker 4: young it is and West Coaster as bad as what

513
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: their record suggests just about so interceptor fend will be

514
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 4: number one on the hit list. Who would go there,

515
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 4: I don't know. There's a lot of chat about the Bulldogs,

516
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 4: which we'll go on to later, and you know, key defenders,

517
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 4: and I'm sure they'd be in the market for someone

518
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 4: similar to who they're looking for.

519
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,120
Speaker 2: Paul Curtis is a legit very good player, Yes good

520
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: big tick. Him and Tristan Sherry have been big tis.

521
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: He could be an eight greater Essendon still to play

522
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: one game. I did their brutal review on Sunday and

523
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: it was just hard to overlook the fact that, yeah,

524
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: you're they're going to have twenty players in their injury

525
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: list for Wednesday's Wednesday's game. So that's why I keep

526
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: saying that it's a VFL team. They're essentially yeah playing

527
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: But a lot of their recruits, of their mid season

528
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: recruits have been okay. Blackiston has surprised me as a defender,

529
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: May has been pretty good.

530
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 4: McMahon, I think it's been very.

531
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Speaker 2: Mcmart's been solid. No guarantee to get another contract, but

532
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 2: that would.

533
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: Be crazy if they let him new and guys let

534
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: that go. They've shown play.

535
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 2: You and resigned great. So you do what did we

536
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: give them in the end? I gave them. I initially

537
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: had them in F but then I thought, yeah, I

538
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 2: gave them a D minus.

539
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 3: So and you could honestly give them a slightly higher

540
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: grade because of what they've had to overcome. Like I know,

541
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: we ended up picking settling on the D minus. But

542
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: like the one positive about all of these injuries is

543
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 3: that it shouldn't happen again, and this is the year

544
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: to have that because they weren't going to contend this

545
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 3: year anyway. This was the year where they intentionally did

546
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 3: nothing in the trade period. They intentionally just took CaCO,

547
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: just did their draft stuff and then tried to have

548
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: a development year and it's turned into the ultimate development year.

549
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 3: So if it has turned out that this is the

550
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 3: year you learned a lot about some guys who are

551
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 3: cycling through the bottom of your list and are going

552
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 3: to be pretty good contributors to the bottom half of

553
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: your best twenty two in two three years time, that's

554
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,439
Speaker 3: useful that they've gotten something out of this year. So

555
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 3: you know, you don't like to see a team in

556
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 3: seventeen games when they want to be when they've been

557
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: average basically for four or five years. But it's a

558
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 3: step back that could help them take a step forwards,

559
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 3: which they desperately need to take.

560
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: So I'm fine with it.

561
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: They had a great look at a lot of their lists.

562
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 4: I think there's every chance that you and probably get

563
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 4: delisted if it wasn't for the injury. Crisis, he wouldn't

564
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 4: have been a chance to look at him again. McMahon Blackiston.

565
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: I think it would be absolutely insane if they don't

566
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 4: give McMahon a contract and who said that, he still

567
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 4: hasn't got one for next year. But he's a little

568
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 4: bit one dimensional as a forward, like he's very much

569
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 4: lead up and mark and kick goal. But hell, if

570
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: that's giving you three goals a game like, I don't

571
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 4: know why you would turn it down because no one

572
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 4: else has been able to do it.

573
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: No one else has that dimension on the list.

574
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, so what is it?

575
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: So what do they need?

576
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,239
Speaker 4: Ball user? They are one of two clubs to not

577
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 4: have a top fifty kick in the competition this season

578
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: based on kicking rating, so that's just delivery and nothing

579
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 4: that speaks to a couple of the guys that aren't

580
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 4: going to have contracts with them next year. It's always

581
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 4: been a big paun, someone like a Dylan Shill who

582
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 4: has a lot to offer, but kicking is probably not

583
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 4: his strong suit and when the in his hands the

584
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 4: most amount of time. Yeah, they just.

585
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: Need midfield depth, I think in general as well. Harley

586
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 2: read it'd be nice, but it feels like, if he

587
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: does leave, it's not to Essendon.

588
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 4: No, I don't know if he's the elite kick they're

589
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: looking for.

590
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: Not a kick, but they just need another star in it.

591
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: They just a staff actor in that midfield.

592
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 4: They are locked in with a lot of guy they're

593
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 4: sort of guys who were meant to be in their

594
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: prime right out now. Darcy Parish and Andrew mcart McGrath's

595
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 4: and McGrath's played three games this year. He did in

596
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 4: twelve last year. He's had fifteen games since re signing

597
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 4: in the end of twenty twenty three. He's contracted to

598
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 4: the end of twenty twenty nine. McGrath looked really good

599
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: in the midfield this year. That was a small positive

600
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 4: at the back end. I thought he's contracted with twenty thirty.

601
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: So you're going to have to build the core around

602
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: these guys. And as you said, star power maybe is

603
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: the way to go.

604
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: Zach Barrett thirty in October. Yeah, I can't waste this. No,

605
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 3: you can't waste one of your best players of the last.

606
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: Thirty years, best and most loyal players.

607
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 3: Like easily could have taken an enormous amount of money

608
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: to leave last year or this year.

609
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: It isn't.

610
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: It is continually underrated as one of the better players

611
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 3: of the last of the AFL era, of the eighteen

612
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 3: team era.

613
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: So Melbourne finished fourteenth Maxie and like two games behind

614
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: Port Adelaide, so that you could we're group in Melbourne

615
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 2: here with a lot of these with the Essendon, North

616
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 2: Melbourne and Richmond. Really well they're not, but they're not

617
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: because they have a percentage of ninety three death so

618
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: that's a much more accurate reflection of what they are.

619
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: If they do not have the Messiah Messiah miracle game,

620
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: then they're ahead of Saint Kilda in the ladder and

621
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: that's in a more accurate reflection where they were at right,

622
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 3: So they were zip and five to start the year.

623
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: They make some changes, they get a lot better. They

624
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: end up going zip and six in games decided by

625
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: a kick, including losing Collingwood twice. Yes, a bunch of

626
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: games where they were just clearly in the mix. They

627
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: had the Boardogs game late in the year where they

628
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: absolutely could have won that. So they were so close

629
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: to being average, which is not where you want to be.

630
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: They want to be better than average, but they were

631
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: so close to being average and not being seven and sixteen,

632
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: which completely overstates where they're at. They finished fourteenth again,

633
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: but there is still if you are the coach who

634
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: comes in to this job and you make the call

635
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: that no, I think we can be good for the

636
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: next two three years. This can be our Collingwood or

637
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: GWS style step back year before we get back into contention.

638
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: You can make that case. I think they probably still

639
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: need more changes, and it depends on what they do

640
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 3: in the trade period, how aggressive they get, whether I

641
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: would believe them to rock it up the ladder next year.

642
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: But I could absolutely see them. I could absolutely make

643
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: the case and it probably will statistically that they should

644
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: be better next year.

645
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: And they from a fixture perspective they finished in the

646
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: bottom six as well, so it helps should be looked

647
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: after a little bit there. So MAXI sort of flagged

648
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: the potentiallys chasms to fill.

649
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. So right now as things stand, their key forward,

650
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 4: which is totally unsurprising. I mean they want a premiership

651
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: without a genuine superstar key forward. Back in twenty twenty one,

652
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 4: you're looking at Ben Brown and Bailey Fridge carrying them there.

653
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: But they had seventy to two goals for the season

654
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: between Melkshrim, Jack Melstrim, Harry Petty, Jacko Van Ruin who

655
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: spent a third of time in the VFL, Matt Jefferson

656
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 4: and Aidan Johnson. So that's not pulling you into finals.

657
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: I don't think this has been a critique of their

658
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: side for I mean ever since I won the premiership.

659
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 4: Really certainly on my end as well, so looking for

660
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 4: a key forward, but even looking forward, the likes of

661
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: Stephen May and to a lesser extent Jack Leaver is

662
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 4: certainly going to be on the trade table by their

663
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 4: own fruition or potentially the club wanting to move them

664
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: on for a bit of capital. So that also will

665
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: be a very big hole they'll need to feel if

666
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 4: they are contending for that premiership, like Brad Green has

667
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 4: said they are, they will have to be very active

668
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: because I think I think it's a good chance that

669
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 4: Stephen May is not at Melbourne in two months time,

670
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 4: so Judd mcveee is still still still undecided, uncontracted. Stephen

671
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 4: May has still got a year or two left, believe

672
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 4: he has a year so and the sense is that

673
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: the d still want to keep Jake Lever despite him

674
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: being omitted at times throughout twenty twenty five.

675
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: I'd rather let May go than leave her.

676
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: If they s I get yeah, I think the currency

677
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 4: is probably with May because a club like the Western

678
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 4: Bulldogs who want him are right now in that frame.

679
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 4: I think that's why. I mean, Leva's only twenty nine,

680
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 4: so Stephen May is contracted just for twenty twenty six,

681
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: but not beyond that. So yeah, it'd be fascinating. I

682
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: think lever my understanding is good when departing the club

683
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: or parting ways with Melbourne gives him a little bit

684
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: of a reset. I don't think it was frustration, particularly

685
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 4: with Goodwin, but it's a reset in itself that he

686
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 4: can have, so he might be more inclined to state

687
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: at Melbourne than what was first reported. And I think

688
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 4: now Stephen May is closer and close to going out

689
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 4: of the door.

690
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: Van Ruyden contracted until the end of twenty twenty nine. Yes,

691
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 2: it's not the best deals of a lot of long

692
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: term deals there at the d's heavily scrutinized. In hindsight,

693
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is Cane Corns was right about everything.

694
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: Speaking of a corns Port Adelaide, No, they finished thirteenth

695
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: of the ladder, so they get the They even in

696
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: the bottom six of the year fixture angs year, and

697
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 2: thirteenth is always quite a nice place to finish from

698
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: a fixture speak.

699
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 3: For two years in a row that's thirteenth made the

700
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 3: Grand Final the next year and I think eighteen and

701
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: not seventeen.

702
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: From a So it is a reset totally at Port

703
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Adelaide with a guy that's been in the door for

704
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: quite some time, Josh Carr. Yeah.

705
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: So what I like they're doing is that that could

706
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 3: easily be the continuation higher because Josh car has been

707
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: there for so long, But they are clearly making moves

708
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: even with their immediate delistings. Guys like Ryan Burton and

709
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: Finland who could easily be contributed as next year at

710
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: a average club Collywood could use Jeremy finn Lissen, something

711
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 3: like that. Ryan Burton absolutely could get a gig next year.

712
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 3: Guys like that who could otherwise be fine average players

713
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: for an average team. They're actually just using those list spots.

714
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 3: So that makes sense to me that they're actually trying

715
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: to move something forward because they know that the one

716
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 3: strength of this list is its incredible talent in its

717
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 3: youth brigade that core of young talent may have even

718
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: without getting one getame Miller makes them an absolute contender

719
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 3: in a few years time, or even next year if

720
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: they get the right moves around them. It's very hard

721
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 3: to get all those moves correct, which means they're probably

722
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 3: not going to be their next year. But I could

723
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: see them certainly being better than having a percentage of

724
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: seventy nine point eight, which I think is more reflective

725
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: of you turn off a little mentally with the Hinckley

726
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: stuff that made them even before their season fell completely

727
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: off a cliff.

728
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: They were losing games by fifty players, had some horrendous losses.

729
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: Their worst was bottom four level worse so. But we

730
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: also saw games like the Gold Coast game, which, while

731
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: fortunate and that's those are the sorts of games that

732
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: usually happen more often during a year where the home

733
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: team who isn't that good, just randomly wins, maybe because

734
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: of some unboring decisions. Who could say, Boys of Afirmation,

735
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 3: perhaps those games are why we have this weird ladder.

736
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: Not enough of them, but you know, they get a

737
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: few of those going their way, they get the twelve

738
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 3: wins next year.

739
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: I could say that This is one or two ways.

740
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: Not that that's really going out on limb saying that,

741
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: but yeah, I mean Carr is certainly making his mark.

742
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: It's fascinating. It's probably one word you could say. With

743
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 4: the list changes. I think Burton would be someone, as

744
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 4: you said, that could easily be picked up by another club.

745
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 4: He's under delivered since coming to port but that's not

746
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: to say that he won't be in assets to another club.

747
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: Blackball games from the trade he was in than wing guard.

748
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 3: Yeah you remember that was almost a swap, although they

749
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: also got our Dursmark think the do pick in Yes, yeah, yeah.

750
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: I mean Finlayson has been dominant at Sandford level this year,

751
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: but you know it was never never had a look

752
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 4: in the second half of the season. Deal Williams running

753
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 4: was on the wall. Lucky Charleston didn't went without playing

754
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: a game. Hugh Jackson was the one who fans they're

755
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: not happy with the Yett They weren't. He didn't play

756
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: a NFL game in his first three years. I believe

757
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: he was delisted. Rerookied at the back end of last year.

758
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 4: Played nine games This year looked promising in limits of

759
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: game time. Now they could re rookie him after but

760
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: that's nothing official, but you know he's someone that they

761
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 4: would look at. And then William Ewly retired, which we'll

762
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 4: go into the small forwards in the set. Jed mcintee

763
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 4: was also delisted. Then you have Travis Boch and Rory

764
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 4: Atkins who had retired. So that's that's nine changes from

765
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 4: a list front and they've delisted Charleston mcintee. Rioli is retired,

766
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: Hugh Jackson is someone who could have played a similar role,

767
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: like you could have fited him in if you wanted

768
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: to keep him. And also Dylan Williams who played in

769
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: the full line at the back end for the Power.

770
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: So it's got to lean in very perfectly into what

771
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: they need. It's a small forward, so it's fascinating to

772
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: me that they have culled so many players in that area.

773
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: Tom Anasttlopoulos, who has been on the list for two

774
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: years now, hasn't played a game. He's been playing more

775
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: of a wing role in the sandfild, but he is

776
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 4: someone who they could throw as a small forward. Has

777
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 4: he got another contract down there, No, he's still unsigned

778
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 4: but hasn't been delisted yet. So and then you've got

779
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 4: will Lorenz, who's also out of contract, hasn't hasn't signed on,

780
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: but hasn't been delisted. So I'd imagine they're getting to

781
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 4: that stage now where they're probably going to keep those guys,

782
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: but there isn't a standout small forward, which is a

783
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: big concern for mine because it's been a revolving door.

784
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: Francis sevens was in their best twenty three last year's

785
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: Prelium final got delisted, as was Fantasia I believe the

786
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: year but last year year before sounds right, yeah, whenever

787
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 4: he was let go by Port he was also in

788
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 4: their best twenty three. It's been a bit of a struggle,

789
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 4: much like Carlton with their small forwards, who ironically Fantasia

790
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: and France sevens are playing there now.

791
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: They got Bury last year in the dry so and

792
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 2: Richard's came in from Collegeen and a lot of those

793
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: guys you mentioned who were delisted were late national draft

794
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: picks yes as well, and that was that's the result

795
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: of them going very hard at the trade table for

796
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: some of these bigger names and a lot of these

797
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: guys who didn't have as much talent at the top

798
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 2: end that doesn't quite come on this is the risk

799
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: you take when you try and go not all in,

800
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: but almost all in for a flag. They didn't get one.

801
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 3: They came close, they had their home prelimbs, but they

802
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: didn't get over the line. And then when you have

803
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: a donut hole of drafting, it gives you a donut

804
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: hole on your list. They don't have a first round

805
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 3: pick this year either, which is odd when you're making

806
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: so much space on your list, So you're going to

807
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: have to You're gonna get a lot of players in

808
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: from somewhere.

809
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 4: I don't know where though. Yeah, this is where I

810
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 4: say go one or two. I think it could go

811
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 4: very wrong, or it could be proven proving the correct move.

812
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: This tells me that they are really still hunting by McCreary.

813
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 4: I know it's been reported that, you know, he's very

814
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: happy at Collingwood, but they have to have someone lined

815
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 4: up because they don't have that first round pick. And

816
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 4: it would be pretty ballsy to say Leeds to be

817
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: going after someone who might have a second, third, fourth

818
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: round rookie pick to be your guy to start round

819
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: one as a small forward. So it's been an area

820
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 4: that needed to improve on, and only even more so

821
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 4: now given the list changes, but you know, money lady,

822
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: he was a midseason drafteem could be put in that role.

823
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 4: But there's nothing jumping out, I'll say that much.

824
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: Sin Kilda finished nine and fourteen percentage of eighty eight

825
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: and a half. Their biggest winner of the season came

826
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when they resigned a sire

827
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: correct they are about to bring in Tom de cooning

828
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: on reportedly not seven but an eight year deal.

829
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, who were they negotiating against that they needed to

830
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: raise their offer from seven to eight years.

831
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: I'm not sure any inside of that feels like a

832
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: club statement. I'm being deadly serious. It felt like it

833
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 4: was this we're saying, we are going to get the

834
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: big fish. We're going to make sure that you know

835
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: he's ours. And around the time that that price was reported,

836
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: he was playing unbelievable football. Everyone has seen the coning ceiling.

837
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: Unfortunately for him and you know, perhaps sank Kilda. He

838
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: hasn't lived up to that price tag since. But it's

839
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 4: a bloody hard price tag to live up to.

840
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: So it's unfortunate because when you hear one point seven

841
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: million the second highest salary next year after his teammate nas. Yes,

842
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: you expect a lot from the player and it means

843
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 3: he's going to go to Secure with enormous expectations that

844
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: are almost impossible to meet because he has to be

845
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: the player he was in the first half of this

846
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: season for Carlton when he was arguably and all Australian

847
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: contender at ruck to meet that level. And if he's not,

848
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: that you're paying for his ceiling is the problem, and

849
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: this is the securita predicament. They've got themselves into where

850
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: they have all this money and needed to pay someone

851
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: almost for the sake of finally someone took our money. Yes,

852
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: because they could not have another year when no one did,

853
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: so they had to give someone. They had to overpay

854
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 3: just to pay. And now that they've done it, they can,

855
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: in their ideal scenario, build off this have the next

856
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 3: two years where they've gotten as locked in, be actually

857
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: a contender, maybe get into the eight and maybe it's

858
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 3: this sort of virtuous cycle where success breeds success and

859
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: more players finally want to come and then they get

860
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: to be contenders.

861
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: That's clearly the plan.

862
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: If it doesn't work, a lot of your cap on

863
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: two players, one of them we know is very good

864
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: one of them can be, but is going to cop

865
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 3: more pressure than most ever had at Saint Kilda, a

866
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: club where expectations are really that high.

867
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: Yes, and without trying to sound too pessimistic, but you've

868
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: got to coning locked in long term and I know

869
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 4: contracts don't mean everything these days. You can still move

870
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 4: out of that. The sides contracted for two years, so

871
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: this is the window. This is the window because you've

872
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 4: got to reset after that. And if he doesn't like

873
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: what he says, he's going to have not just two

874
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 4: clubs from South Australia, He's going to have seventeen other clubs, sorry,

875
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: fifteen other clubs across the competition. Where they struggled this

876
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 4: year was defensive stock. So they consider the fifth most

877
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 4: goals to opposition key Fords this season, which is like

878
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: cal wilk. Yeah, interesting, it's an interesting contrary to how

879
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 4: you played this seasons.

880
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: So from a Saints perspective, though it feels like we

881
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: know who's coming in, it's what's going to happen with

882
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 2: the guys who have some uncertainty both contracted and uncontracted.

883
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 2: At the moment, they could be worse next year.

884
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: You reckon if Marshall goes, if enough guys and it's

885
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: Steel and Wilkie.

886
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going, and still probably isn't, but

887
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: is a chance Winegen micaheah, there's a chance they're worse.

888
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 3: They're adding one player right now to Conning because they

889
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 3: had nads this year and they won nine games with

890
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: him being elite yeh yeah.

891
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: Being so far beyond the lead, something funny and you

892
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: lose Marshall, right, like I mean, I think it's logical,

893
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: and Marshall would be totally within his rights to leave,

894
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 4: I think too long as the club that's been heaviest

895
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: linked to him. But the next game between Marshall and

896
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: de Coning isn't massive, and as Max said, there's a

897
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 4: world where you know, their season could be very different

898
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 4: with it if it wasn't for a couple of he

899
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 4: wrote performances from the Sigh and a couple others, So

900
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: they could very well be worse.

901
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: Keeping my nine wins over and flated how good they were.

902
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: They had five games which they won by single digits,

903
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: including four in a row in that run to in

904
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: the year where they got to nine wins, So look,

905
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 3: they took a step back this year in many ways

906
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: and expected them to suddenly be contenders next year like

907
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: they want to be is optimistic in my view.

908
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: So the Saints got to in their grade and Carlton,

909
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: like Melbourne and Port Adelaide remissiing me to miss those. Carlton,

910
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Port Adelaide and Melbourne all got d's Yeah Blue higher expectations.

911
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 2: The Blues have held on to Michael Voss, but there's

912
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 2: been a fair bit of change since from a football

913
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: department perspective. Coaching. Brad Lloyd's not going to be there.

914
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: Three of their assistant coaches On Tuesday, it's been announced

915
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: won't be there in twenty twenty five exit meetings. At

916
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: the moment, the media has parked out at icon Park.

917
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: It's death taxes and stakeouts at icon Park. With the

918
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: likes of Jack Sulvanney, Tom Da Koning and Charlie kernab

919
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: had to have exit meetings as well. It hasn't ended

920
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: brilliantly for.

921
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: The Blues, so things could easily get more dramatic over

922
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: the next few weeks if those exit meetings go a

923
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 3: certain way and players want out or get lured out.

924
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: We'll see if that changes.

925
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: As it is I know you guys aren't big NFL guys,

926
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: but this feels like the NFL team where the head

927
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 3: coaches in trouble, you sack the offensive coordinator, blame him

928
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 3: for everything, bring someone in, and the next year you

929
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: get sacked because it wasn't his problem, it was the

930
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: List and the coach. Right, So if Carlton's no good

931
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: again next year, boss goes, that's as clear as mud

932
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: right now, clear as day. Rather so he's coaching for

933
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: his career. The List is playing for its premiership window

934
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 3: because they are aging and aging, and we know that

935
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 3: this last half decades, when they've been built to triinally

936
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: finally win a flag, they've they've got chances to get better.

937
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: They should get better next year. They should at some

938
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: point not have a million injuries. Jago Smith will come back.

939
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: They should have reasons for optimism. The guys who were

940
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: there are not so old that they can't still be

941
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: very good next year. But a lot has to go

942
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 3: right for them to live up to their stealing and

943
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 3: their potential. And if they even just have another middling

944
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: thirteen win season and finish sixth or seventh, I don't know.

945
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 3: Do you sack voss in that scenario.

946
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 4: Nah, I don't think so. If you go from where

947
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: they were in the Ladder interfinals contention, I.

948
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: Think, but that's just falling.

949
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: That's coming back to where they were last though, Like,

950
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 3: it's not a big rise. It's three years of purgatory.

951
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: Even if you do that, it's a body, it's a

952
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 2: body of if you did remove me, it's a body

953
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: of work removal, isn't it.

954
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: In that scenario, you're either playing for your final future

955
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: in the last two weeks or you're falling off a

956
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 3: cliff again and then clinging on like they did last year.

957
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: So either way, it's not an exciting, great way to

958
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: live your life.

959
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: So what do you think their past mark is for

960
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 4: next year?

961
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: For Voss? Fourteen wins? Okay, fourteen wins.

962
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: Because that in a normal year gets you into the

963
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 3: eight in a reasonable position, and then they've got upside

964
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: from there. But the last two years and the teams

965
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: they've beaten and the many more teams they've lost to

966
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: suggests that they are not that team that everyone thinks

967
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 3: they can be.

968
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: Would Carlton be better off with just Harry mccoytte full

969
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: for and they do. Let Charlie Kerno go to Sydney.

970
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: It depends what they get.

971
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be just an incredible price

972
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: that we probably wouldn't have seen since someone like Jeremy

973
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 4: Cameron departed. And I mean Jeremy may have been in

974
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 4: a slightly high peak when he was when he left Gows,

975
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: but I mean it's a dual Colin medallist and he

976
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 4: hasn't had a he hasn't had the cleanest of runs

977
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 4: this year through injury. It's I don't know. I think

978
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: I think the media and the general populace may have

979
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: forgotten just a little bit how Charlie, how good Charlie

980
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Kurno was and is, But it's unproven. I mean, we're

981
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 4: not going to know until next year whether he's at

982
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: a different club Black Sydney or whether he's at Carlton.

983
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 4: It's one of those ones that I don't think we'll

984
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: know when to be retrospectively find out.

985
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 2: They'll need a small forward as well. The small forward

986
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: stocks are there, but they just do not have the

987
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: class and the quality.

988
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 4: There not a single player raised inside the top forty

989
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 4: five for General Fords. And it sort of goes back

990
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: that discussion we were speaking about Port Adelaide. Like the guys,

991
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 4: they're leaning on Arazio Fantasia, three club small forward, Frants

992
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: Seven's three clubs small forward. And to be fair to Frankie,

993
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: he had a very good finish to his season. His

994
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 4: last two or three games were exceptional for Carleton. But yeah,

995
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 4: they've got all the talent in the world when it

996
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: comes up forward with Colonel and McKay's they're big tools,

997
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 4: but their small forward role has been a revolving door

998
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: for a long time now. And I don't know if

999
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 4: those two or Jesse even we're white different.

1000
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: They're not the solution.

1001
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 4: No, they're not. There's no way.

1002
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 3: Even Frankie Evans having a good month of footy is

1003
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: not a solution. He could be a fine player, he

1004
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 3: could be your second or third small forward, but he's

1005
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: not your best one.

1006
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: I thought, I honestly thought Jesse mightlot would be the solution,

1007
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: particularly at the start of the year, but he's just not.

1008
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: Come on. The Swan's got a C minus and which

1009
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: is considering when they won a grand final last season, Yes,

1010
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: and well we're in the grand final. Sorry, in a

1011
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: grand final. Apologies. They won the minor premiership and then

1012
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: made the Grand Final, got humiliated and they finished tenth

1013
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: on the AFL Ladder. C minus might be a bit

1014
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: of an odd grape, but the back end of their

1015
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: season I think should give Swans fans optimism for twenty

1016
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: twenty six.

1017
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: So it's context, right, Yeah, they were the team once

1018
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 3: they got all the injured players back that we thought

1019
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: they would be. If they were that team for the

1020
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 3: full year, they would have played finals, they would have

1021
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: won fifteen odd games, would have made it in you know,

1022
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 3: they would have been a contender, maybe in the same

1023
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: way that Brisbane was in that. You know, you take

1024
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: a bit of a step back after you make the

1025
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: Grand Final.

1026
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: But you're clearly still pretty good. So that's about right.

1027
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 2: And we know what they are.

1028
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 3: They are a very good midfield with a flawed listed

1029
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: either end. They still haven't fixed that. Maybe this is

1030
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: the year they finally do something in the trade period

1031
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: because for while they haven't and if it is Charlie

1032
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: Kurno so it cost them a lot.

1033
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: It is to be their chance to do something.

1034
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 4: This isn't a ticket I want to have on myself,

1035
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 4: but I do remember very vividly saying at the back

1036
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 4: end of last year's trade period, Sydney will be defined

1037
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 4: by how well they manage their forwards and whether they

1038
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: go into the trade period and get someone like whether

1039
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: it was this experienced player like a Jack Darling or

1040
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: a Sam Day. I don't think it had to be

1041
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: someone that was a superstar. But they weren't active in

1042
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 4: last year's trade period at all and it felt like

1043
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 4: they didn't want to rebuild on the fly. And I

1044
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 4: know that injuries played a big part as to the

1045
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 4: reason why they didn't contend in finals this year, but

1046
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 4: in hindsight, for me, it's also quite hard to think

1047
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 4: they could have been a little bit more aggressive with

1048
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 4: that and not been so content with what they had

1049
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 4: that they had everything that to win it. Because they

1050
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: didn't last year and they stainly didn't get close this year.

1051
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: I'll weave this into what they need to improve on.

1052
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: It's an interceptor and there's a lot of tal points here,

1053
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 4: but Tom mccarton playing up forward in the first month

1054
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 4: totally lost any intercept game and lockdown game in their

1055
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: back half.

1056
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: It's certain affected Nick Blakie's game too.

1057
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 4: It did well, he was forced to play more as

1058
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 4: a hybrid and there aren't too many defenders just because

1059
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: it's such a hard role. They're able to intercept, defend,

1060
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: and also lockdown on a player and give that burst

1061
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 4: and rebound like the Swan's one when they played that

1062
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 4: aggressive sling shot football. The other two players that they

1063
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 4: did have on their list who they've probably would have

1064
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 4: hoped to rely on down bat I mean, Joe Hamley

1065
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 4: ended up playing as a defensive forward, probably not why

1066
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 4: they recruited him, No, he's out of place. Robbie Fox

1067
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,839
Speaker 4: didn't play a single game in the entire twenty twenty five.

1068
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: Ben Patten was an SSP signing for them and didn't

1069
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 4: play a whole at the back end of the season,

1070
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 4: So they've probably cheap skating is an unfair but they've

1071
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: tried to make the most of guys who are probably

1072
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 4: fringe players in their best twenty two and it hasn't

1073
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 4: held up defensively for them. Dane Rampy is thirty four

1074
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 4: years of age, I think, so there's got to be

1075
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 4: some change in their back half, not just even from

1076
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 4: an intercept point of view, but just lockdown defenders because

1077
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 4: Carton can't do it all by himself and Nick Blakey

1078
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 4: pays his best football when he's rebounding out of defensive fifty.

1079
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: This is also the problem when you draft, as they

1080
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: have for the last half decade, really really well on

1081
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 3: certain picks and then not well at all on the rest.

1082
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: Thanks hello and welcome Jared here.

1083
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: Yes he would like you, Max.

1084
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: He does enjoy talking about the Swan's list build, but

1085
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: they have been incredibly hit and miss and mostly missed

1086
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 3: for a while. That means the bottom of your list.

1087
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: When you want that to be the cheap guys who

1088
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: come in and play roles really well, they're not that,

1089
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: so that hurts you even more when you have these injuries.

1090
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 4: So the last thing I'll say in Sydney's where Aaron

1091
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: Francis is another player who was recruited as a defender

1092
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 4: and hasn't He hasn't been play He's been playing as

1093
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: Award like, been going okay. But all of Francis, Patton Rampy,

1094
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: Jake Lloyd, I believe still odd a contract, Joel Hamling

1095
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: and Robbie Fox all there. So it depends where they

1096
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 4: want to go with this. But there's a word where

1097
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 4: a few of them get cut and it's sort of

1098
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: like a port adelaide where they sort of have to

1099
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 4: make a call in a certain area of the ground

1100
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 4: and just hope they can bring in players to rectify it.

1101
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: I think the post by form showed that they are

1102
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 2: fine going one more time with this group.

1103
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 3: If they can add someone without costing too much from

1104
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: their depth, that would be great. That would probably get

1105
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 3: them over the top. But they're going to be one

1106
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: of the easy tips to jump into the eight next year.

1107
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: I think almost everyone is going to have whoever finishes

1108
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 3: ninth and the Swans as the two teams jumping in.

1109
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: That team who finishes ninth is highly likely to be

1110
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: the Western Bulldogs. Bizarre scenes today. We know they were

1111
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: training today with Noble in case the Bombers beat the

1112
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 2: Gold Coast Suns.

1113
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: Surely a joint training session with the Bombers would have

1114
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: made more sense. Help them out, guys, This is how

1115
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: to kick the footy.

1116
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 2: All right. COVID times they had sort of scrimmage themselves

1117
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: in the VFL competition was cut. Yeah, the Dogs. We

1118
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: haven't officially done their review for the Dogs yet, but

1119
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: they miss with potentially fourteen wins and the best percentage

1120
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 2: of the AFL ERA to miss the finals of one

1121
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty, So the third best percentage in the

1122
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 2: competition this year.

1123
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: It is it is unless Gold Coast plans on winning

1124
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: by a million, yep, it will be. So that's the problem, right,

1125
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: they had a good year. Fortunately eight teams had a

1126
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: better year. And so where you want to be on

1127
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: the dogs, you want to be half full or half empty.

1128
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: I am half full, yes.

1129
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: You always have been, and Oil half full as there.

1130
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: So I've been big on the Dogs for a couple

1131
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 3: of years now, and before that I was actually quite

1132
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 3: down to them. But I've been persuaded because look, it

1133
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: does mean something that you can thrash the bottom ten

1134
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 3: and they were so close to winning so many games

1135
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 3: that would have got them into the finals.

1136
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. When Catch put up back graphic last night of

1137
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: the Bulldog's losses against the top nine teams, there were

1138
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: no thrashings.

1139
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: Their biggest loss of the season was twenty two points

1140
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: against Hawthorne, and they played really two bad games both

1141
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: at Marvel Hawthorne and then Freeman the round twenty four

1142
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: game we just saw. Otherwise, you go back to round two.

1143
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: They sell a home game to the mcg on move

1144
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: it yes to play Collingwood because they want to celebrate

1145
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 3: their anniversary, and then Collingwood has home ground advantage and

1146
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: gets a fade favorable ride with the umpires and wins

1147
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 3: by a kick again where Marcus Bonton Pelly doesn't play.

1148
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: Do you reckon?

1149
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: A few of those factors might have s fung that

1150
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: result if you played it at Marvel. Maybe so many

1151
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 3: close games where injuries because keeping mind injuries were a

1152
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: big part of their season, Bond wasn't there for the

1153
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 3: first six weeks, Darcy misses two months. I want to

1154
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 3: say Weightman doesn't play, Jamara has his whole situation, doesn't

1155
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 3: play the fact that they were an incredible scoring machine

1156
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 3: without Curdy, Weitman and Tomorrow Guguhagen.

1157
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1158
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 3: They have so much talent, and we know that's the problem,

1159
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: that they should be delivering on that talent. I think

1160
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: the problem is more that they built a list that

1161
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: should have been good right now, and the defenders all

1162
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 3: got old at once. Liam Jones has turned into a

1163
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: bit of a pumpkin. Alex Keith fell off a couple

1164
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: of years ago and was it seemed like it was

1165
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 3: going to be good for a little while and just

1166
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 3: disappeared off the face of the Earth, and they had

1167
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 3: to rely on guys who just aren't quite good enough.

1168
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 3: And if some of those guys had continued to play

1169
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 3: as they did the last couple of years, Roy Lobb

1170
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: as well, then they would have been fine this year.

1171
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 3: Last year they were the number one defense for points allowed.

1172
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 3: It was very close to the top six or so,

1173
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: but they were number one, and they should have better

1174
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 3: than Freemantle and points allowed.

1175
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: This year.

1176
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 3: They had so many things go right, but close games

1177
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: kill you, and they lost too many against good teams,

1178
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: and so everyone's gonna say that they were two and

1179
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 3: nine against the top nine or whatever it was, and

1180
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: Freemantle had this incredible record, but Freo won their close games.

1181
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: The Bulldogs didn't, and so Freo makes the eight.

1182
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: I reckon Max has put a feaver of thought into

1183
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: that into the Bulldogs twenty twenty five campound.

1184
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: You can't argue with any of it. And the fifth

1185
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 4: player I'm going to add to that quartet of players

1186
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 4: that they've missed all year, Adam Trelaw, was an All

1187
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: Australian last year. He played four games and I think

1188
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 4: from memory, and they didn't rush him back to four

1189
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 4: fourth and they didn't rush him back after forty and

1190
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 4: whatever it was in the VNFL. So it's hard to

1191
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 4: look past that. We don't have champion dahtas say on

1192
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 4: this because they haven't officially been eliminated from the finals.

1193
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 4: But I would imagine key defenders is where they need it,

1194
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: and that's been long, that's long been the.

1195
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: What's realistic for the Bulldogs in the key defensive space,

1196
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: is seven May a realistic option for them?

1197
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 4: I think so. I think so. I mean they're in

1198
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 4: the winner to win now, and I still think he's

1199
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 4: a very serviceable defender. He's not the absolute player that

1200
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 4: he was. But in terms of the market of players

1201
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 4: who would want to leave or are looking likely to

1202
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: leave their club or maybe be let go, they can

1203
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 4: either go one or two routes. They can go for

1204
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 4: Jayden Laverde type operators who had interesting going last year.

1205
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 4: I think he's been delisted in my right and saying that,

1206
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 4: is he going around again?

1207
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: I believe so.

1208
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 4: Maybe not yet, but it has been off a contract

1209
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 4: for next year. So you could sort of do the

1210
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 4: Sydney method that I alluded to before and maybe pick

1211
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 4: these more fringe players from other clubs, or you can

1212
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 4: go all on your stars.

1213
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: Jacksonvill Varney as well.

1214
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 4: They're in for him.

1215
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: They're trying really hard, even though it seems like he's

1216
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: going to pick Colleywood more.

1217
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: Like Yes, but he's a really good player and he's

1218
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: he has more upside than what May does in terms

1219
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 4: of he can do it for you for six years.

1220
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 4: Number one he's not.

1221
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 2: I mean both they need a number one and number three.

1222
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 3: Well, they also need general defending help. They did just

1223
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 3: defensive help more broadly over the entire system. And keep

1224
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 3: in mind that what Luke Beverage has done really well

1225
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: with positional moves. It's always moving guys out of defense

1226
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 3: into the midfield or forward, and it works because they

1227
00:51:58,480 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 3: are really talented play.

1228
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: And it worked for but only for one season exactly.

1229
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: And so now Frasier and Richard's having great years but

1230
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: in the midfield and they're not helping down back as

1231
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: much as they might have in previous seasons.

1232
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: It always hurts, that is, look at the bottom ten.

1233
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,479
Speaker 2: I'm going to make an editorial call here and skip

1234
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: Fair or Fast. Unfortunately Fair or Fast it wasn't as

1235
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: strong this week.

1236
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: But we might open up the mail bag on the

1237
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: Fox Footy podcast it's time to open up the mailbag.

1238
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: Have a question for the panel. Tweet us every Monday

1239
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: morning at Fox Footy.

1240
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you to everyone who has written in responding

1241
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: on Twitter to our request of fourth questions, like Jason

1242
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: X has asking.

1243
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about the finals.

1244
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 3: Of course, we'll talk more about it next week because

1245
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: we will have a podcast before at the final. Start

1246
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 3: our Adelaide better off losing to Collingwood in week one.

1247
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: Then they will not have the disadvantage of having a

1248
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 3: second week off, which clearly appears to be detrimental, and

1249
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 3: they're good enough to beat Brisbane and Geelong who will

1250
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 3: have had a second week off in a premium and

1251
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: then if they get to the Grand Final they can

1252
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: have ranking back. So an argument that's a good thing

1253
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: for them to lose that game.

1254
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think they need to play

1255
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 4: a few games in finals as possible, and having both

1256
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 4: of them in a qualifying final and a prelim final

1257
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 4: goes without saying that'll be their best road because I

1258
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 4: think they can beach whoever comes their way in a

1259
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 4: qualifying as we know as Collingwood or a Prisbonal or

1260
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: Geelong in the prelim week. I mean, ISAAC ranking doesn't

1261
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 4: matter unless you go into a Grand final losing your

1262
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 4: first game. And I don't like the matchup base against

1263
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 4: it because they have the toughest side of the drawer.

1264
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 4: They're likely going to have one of Geelong SORRYJBS or Hawthorne,

1265
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 4: both who play Adelaid Loveral relatively well, and Hawthorne will

1266
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 4: be as hot, yeah, white hot. I think in a

1267
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: semi final they'll be better from their lost last year

1268
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 4: against Paul in the same fixture.

1269
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: I just I don't think he's in the right heads

1270
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's in the right heads space

1271
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: to play again this year at the moment, just what

1272
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 2: I get. I was a little bit distracted during that

1273
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: because the news has dropped that Harley Reid has officially

1274
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: re signed with West Coast. There we go, So any

1275
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: any talk earlier in the podcast about Harley Reid can

1276
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: now be from an Essen perspective or Hawthorne. He has

1277
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: signed a two year DAR until the end of twenty

1278
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: twenty eight, so I reckon it's a bit the nasdy

1279
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: SI like yes very much as short term big dollars.

1280
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 2: We'll go back to his home.

1281
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: State at the end of it, you speak, well, I

1282
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: think that's the You don't sign a short term deal

1283
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 3: because you're committing your future of the club.

1284
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: Do you.

1285
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: That's right until the end of twenty twenty eight. So

1286
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 2: he's locked into at the West Coast for the next

1287
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: three years, right because he was already contracted for next year.

1288
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: So it's slightly different. But anyway, let's tell you what

1289
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: we've got to go right about that, So let's wrap

1290
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: up the show. Let's wrap up the show. Just a

1291
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: quick tip. Who wins Gold Coast or Essendon.

1292
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 3: Margin ben So five goals is roughly what it needs

1293
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 3: to win by. Assuming Essendon scores seventy points, Gold Coast

1294
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: would need to score one hundred. If Estenon scores less,

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Speaker 3: they need to win by less.

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Speaker 2: So surely surely they get there.

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Speaker 3: But keep in mind Essendon got within two goals of

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Speaker 3: Sydney at the Sega a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: This would be the all time cockup from Gold Coast.

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Speaker 2: If they don't win this and they do love a

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Speaker 2: late season cockup, yep, yep. They made mistakes in the past.

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Speaker 2: God help them. If it happens again, Dimmer won't be well.

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Speaker 2: If you want to see a cock up. You might

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Speaker 2: be able to see it on Wednesday night and now

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Speaker 2: Erson takes on the Gold Coast Suns. After that we'll

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Speaker 2: know the finals fixture, which of course we'll have all

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