WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 20 June 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.920 Late Welcome to the Wait to play. 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:09.080 Well, it's great to have your company on the Late Debate. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.800 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and filling in for 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:12.719 Caleb Bond. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.200 Caroline Marcus. Thanks for joining us tonight, Caroline. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:17.279 Pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:17.600 Guys. 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.960 Well, we love shout about so let's get into it. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:21.799 Coming up soon. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.960 An AFL player receives a moving tribute after the AFL 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.440 declare him deceased, only for the AFL then to get 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.480 the phone call from that man saying I'm very much 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.559 alive and talk to you about that later. Plus when 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:37.879 we look at the papers, unions in Victoria demanding police 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:42.520 do something about anti Semitism, and Australia's e Safety Commissioner 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.600 with a fresh crackdown on big tech. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.199 All of that coming up when we get to the papers. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:52.239 But first, Stonehenge has been vandalized by climate protesters demanding 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:53.920 an end to fossil fuels. 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.040 So you see the connection, right, It's obvious. 0:00:57.080 --> 0:01:01.800 A five thousand year old stone structure and gas and oil. 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.160 If you can't see the connection, it's because you're normal, 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:09.160 unlike just stop oil protesters who believe the best way 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:13.000 to protest and vandalism against the environment is by themselves 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.120 vandalizing the environment. 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:16.280 Have a look at what they did. 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:32.120 Obviously, it's a lot easier to spray orange paint everywhere 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.000 than to actually think. And it begs the question how 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.800 did they get to the Stonehenge site anyway? 0:01:37.840 --> 0:01:39.880 Did they walk? Did they take horseback? 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.280 They probably traveled on a bus using fossil fuels to 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.039 protest fossil fuels. Here's one of the protesters explaining just 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.400 how useless an Oxford University degree is these days. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.560 My name is Neiv I'm twenty one and I'm a 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.480 student at the University of Oxford. Today I'm taking action 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.680 with just the ward to them on. The UK government 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:03.080 commits to signing the Fossil Film on Preniteration Treaty and 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.160 promises to stop owning fossil fuels by twenty thirty. To 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:10.919 refuse to do so, it's too warrant death, destruction and 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.760 suffering on an absolutely immense and immeasurable scale. 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:19.080 Liz the Vice chancellor at Oxford University, must have his 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:20.200 head in his hands. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.359 Do not say you're from Oxford. Please do not say 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.760 you're from Oxford. No actually Oxford these days is probably 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.240 celebrating that person. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.440 Is very confusing, though it's all in a whisper. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.280 I'm doing this because the end of the world is 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.440 nigh and sufferingly terrible. To be honest, I wish we 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.880 never talked about these people like because they know that 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.320 spraying orange cornflower, which is what it was, it will 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.280 wash off in the rain on Stonehenge and all the 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.000 other antics that they get up to, whether it's defacing 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:55.880 priceless artworks or gluing themselves to Rhodes and just typically 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.520 being menaces upon an unsuspecting society trying to go about 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:00.160 their day. 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.800 They know that none of that is changing the climate. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.440 They know that none of that is going to force 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.480 the government to take the action that they're demanding. But 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.560 they do know this is going to get our cause 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:18.000 and our visibility on the platforms the media platforms of 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:18.400 the world. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:19.720 So I hate it when we give it to them. 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.680 It might do that, but it certainly doesn't win over 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.160 the general population. I mean, it just turns off more 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.040 people to their cause. So I mean, I'm not going 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.920 to give them the inform me that they obviously so 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.760 deeply desire by actually naming them again. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:39.360 But this mob has absolute form. 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.920 I've got to say, I thought this was the lowest 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.920 that they've taken it. You know, they've targeted a snooker 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:49.120 championship before, they've even targeted an MP's wedding, and I 0:03:49.160 --> 0:04:12.480 think we've got a best of clips from their previous work, did. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:13.720 Not I. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.719 Mean appalling to target someone like that on what should 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:26.240 be the. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.359 Best day of their lives. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.880 It just shows you how low that these thugs, these 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:33.760 environmental terrorists are willingness. 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:36.600 Too sorry for these kids because it was their fate 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:37.200 to be born. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.800 After civil rights have been one, LGBTQ rights have been one, 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:43.120 women's rights have been one. 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.719 So what is there left for them to have their 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:47.160 historical moment? 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.640 And that's clearly what they want, their chance to change 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:51.320 the world and make it. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.800 If they genuinely want a cause to stand up for, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:55.800 come see me. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.080 I've got a master's degree in human rights. 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.799 You can stand up for the ending of female genital 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.920 mutilation in many many countries. 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:04.520 That still practice it. 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.400 You can fight for child brides and a child's right 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:09.600 not to be married off to a sixty year old 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:10.480 man at. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.279 The age of nine. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:17.280 There are literally countless genuine human rights issues that these. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:19.200 Those ones are. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.440 They're the ones you hear the activists that being turned 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:27.599 out by these so called yeah, top academic institutions crow about. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:30.599 It's those actual causes, and I think we know why, 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:35.400 but it's this type of stuff to attack a five 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:41.120 thousand year old monument at this happened on the eve of. 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:42.839 The summer solstice when people were. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:47.920 Gathering to celebrate the natural beauty and the natural world. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:50.760 And they're making a point about the so called destruction 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.640 of the natural world by protesting that. 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.040 Well, they need to make sense. 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:57.800 They didn't just vnd lize Stonehenge. Later in the day, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.200 they went to an airfield just out of London where 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:04.000 Taylor Swift's private jet had landed. Here's some vision of 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:08.680 them spray painting private jets on that airfield. Now we're 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:11.279 not sure whether that was Taylor Swift's private jet or not. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:15.800 Both of those protesters were arrested, but they got their 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.920 moment in the sun Caroline, just as Liz said, that's 0:06:18.960 --> 0:06:19.440 what they wanted. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.680 They got random the things that they target Stonehenge one day, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.520 Taylor Swift's private jet. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.640 The next modern day slavery that's another really good one 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.960 for you guys. If you want to get passionate about 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.040 something that actually matters, make a difference that will literally 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.200 change millions of people's lives. How about you get stuck 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:41.160 into that. But let's talk about tax because heaven knows, 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:45.640 no matter how much the government takes, they're always gonna 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.640 take more. And the men's government here in New South 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:52.400 Wales has decided to go about this by freezing the 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:57.839 land tax threshold. They stand to gain one point six 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:01.640 billion dollars over the next four years by doing this. 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:05.520 But of course this doesn't seem like a very smart 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.200 idea in the middle of a cost of living crisis 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:14.520 running in conjunction with a housing crisis, because we all 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:19.560 know if you make things more expensive for property owners, 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:24.120 they just pass on the cost. And right now people 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.480 are bleeding out of every orifice just to keep a 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:32.280 roof over their heads. Many, many, many people simply can't 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.880 afford to do it that and there's. 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:35.520 Not enough supply. 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.239 But here happy you're like this, here's the New South 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.760 Wales Treasurer telling us about this new move by the 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.080 New South Wales government and being like, don't worry. Most 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.600 people don't pay land tax in New South Wales anyway, 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.880 and those that do well, they just. 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.560 Get it back off the Feds. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.600 Do you acknowledge that the non indexation of land tax 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.160 threats will push up rents and impact small businesses? 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.120 No, it won't, And I simply make this point. Other 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:14.280 states have higher land taxes and lower land tax thresholds 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.560 and New South Wales, but they are building more humps 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.120 and their rents have not increased anywhere near as fast 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.000 as has happened here in New South Wales. The reason 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:28.440 why I can say that is because these changes simply 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:32.720 align New South Wales threshold indexation methods to the same 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.440 that is used in practically every other state. We expect 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.599 it to raise about one point six billion dollars. But 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.400 let's just get the facts on the table here. Very 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.400 very few people pay land tax in New South Wales. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:47.080 Of those who do pay land tax in New South Wales, 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.760 the vast majority claim a lot of that back from. 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:50.640 The federal government. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.480 We're confident that we will be making good decisions going 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.040 forward into the future about what the land tax threshold is. 0:08:58.440 --> 0:08:59.199 So in the. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.040 One hand saying not many people pay this anyway, and 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.320 the ones that do they get most of it back 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.720 from the federal government. And on the other hand, he's 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.959 saying how much his government stands to gain from this. 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:12.880 So clearly there are a. 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:16.360 Lot of people paying it, enough in fact, for you 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:17.400 guys to make. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:22.720 Thirty six billion dollars in revenue because land tax is expected. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:27.640 To grow by eight point seven percent, coming up to 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:29.200 thirty five. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:34.080 Thirty seven like this is this is just absolute nonsense 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:34.880 from the government. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.120 And to claim that this isn't going to affect renters, 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:41.000 we all know you up the cost for property owners. 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.120 They pass the cost along. It's just as well. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:48.280 The maximum rental assistance has been bumped up by forty 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.640 percent in this nation by the federal government since May 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.400 twenty twenty two. So people can't afford their rents. They're 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.040 relying on the government who's making these ridiculous policies that 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.640 are aiding and a bedding the rent's being pushed up, 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:06.120 while then using our taxpayer dollars to help people pay 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.880 their rent. It's just a complete loophole of idiocy. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:14.120 Yeah, clearly our politicians don't understand that old phrase mutually exclusive, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.199 where you can't do two things at the same time, 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.040 because they cancel each other out. So to boast that 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.640 you're going to solve the housing crisis, which was the 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.400 big boast of their budget, while at the same time, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.920 on the sly hitting landlords with a property tax that 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:31.520 they will invariably pass on to rent. The two things 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.480 are mutually exclusive. So for them to pretend they're doing 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.800 something about the housing crisis, it's just junk. 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.359 It's just when you look at the tax free threshold, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.240 the land tax, it's now being frozen at one point 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.839 oh seventy five million dollars. Look at the prices in Sydney. Yeah, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.720 that is a lot of properties here. You really are 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.520 pressed to find a walk in wardrobe in the eastern 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:59.000 suburbs that yes less than that. So I don't understand 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.520 where he's getting the side year from that. Not many 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:03.360 people are going to end up paying it. But I 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.080 do have to say in the state government's difference, you know, 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.840 New South Wales is getting a much smaller proportion of 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.719 what the federal government is carving out in terms of 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:14.280 the GST. 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:18.479 So they go from WA do not try to convince 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:22.559 me there is a state doing badly by the GSD Carver, 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:23.520 I will not. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:24.560 I'm sorrow. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.200 Many South Wales government is trying to get people to 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.200 claim the money back from the federal government in a 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:34.120 different way. It could be kind of a creative way 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:35.960 of re routing things. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:36.120 Well. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.040 Well, the New South Wales in their government, in their 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.960 budget are boasting about solving the housing crisis. One of 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.800 their great boasts was they were going to provide four 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.679 hundred homes to be at least on the cheap to 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.840 essential workers. So I've got an immediate problem with that, 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.079 Caroline and Liz, because I have a problem with certain 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.760 people being dubbed essential workers. I don't know about you, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.440 but I would regard my barista as an essential worker 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:00.760 because nothing that happens without my lat in the morning. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:03.600 But they've built four hundred, or they will build four 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.480 hundred homes to be leased on the cheap to these 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.960 you know, nurses, firefighters, police. The only problem is that 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.520 there's about one hundred thousand of these so defined essential 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.960 workers living in the Sydney area. So the Daily Telegraph 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.640 worked out that that would give essential workers a one 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.720 in two hundred and fifty chance of landing one of 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:22.360 these homes. 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.840 So unless they're playing. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.160 The lottery or they're going to put all of these 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:27.760 people into one home together. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.640 You've got Buckley's and none of this doing much good. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.240 In fact, the Telegraph finally worked out that they've got 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.880 better odds going down to Crown Casino and playing Roulette 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.319 where your chances are one in thirty seven of winning, 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.880 rather two hundred and fifty with the state government. So 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.520 clearly math not the new South Wales labor government strong point. 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.360 And yet the federal labor government are going to build 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.720 one point two million new homes over the next five 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:58.360 years starting on July first, guys, so don't worry, they're 0:12:58.360 --> 0:12:58.959 on the job. 0:12:59.080 --> 0:12:59.920 They're going to fix it. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.320 They don't have enough tradings in the country and we 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.960 all know that, but they're going to do it one 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:08.400 point two million homes over the next five years. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.040 So well, I mean, I just take issue with your 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:16.120 definition of essential workers. You're barista to fund your caffeine 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.479 habits so that you can come and have this glamorous 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.360 job that we all know. 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:27.479 You dolorous and Kayla, it's true. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.000 It's your favorite partnerc No, but look, if we could 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.079 do something to try, I don't know. This clearly doesn't 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.440 seem to be the solution but we desperately need to 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:41.080 keep more nurses, for example, in the state and the city, 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.560 and we need to solve the housing issue for people 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:44.920 like that. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:46.960 I mean jokes aside. 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.480 It's really important that we keep those kinds of people 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.560 close to their jobs so they'll have to do better 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:52.880 than this. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.680 You're totally right, It is really important, and four hundred 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.400 homes is a drop in the ocean. So for the 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.360 government to claim they're doing something now is just laughable. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.959 Speaking of laughable, what about the hysterical reaction from Labor 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:10.600 to Peter Dutton's nuclear plan over the last twenty four 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.640 to forty eight hours. It's in fact, if you look 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.200 up the word hysterical in the dictionary, there is one 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:20.200 word defining it, and that's Labor. Victoria's Energy minister, Lily Diambrosio. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:23.520 She came out the other day and described nuclear energy 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:28.680 as quote deadly and dangerous, and she demanded get this, Caroline. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:34.680 She demanded that Peter Dutton guarantee that radioactive material won't 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.840 leak from reactors and poisoned communities, despite the fact there 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:42.120 are what four hundred and forty reactors in thirty one countries. Yes, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.680 radioactive waste is not linked into any communities ever. But 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.320 she wants a guarantee from Peter Dutton that this will 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:48.880 not I. 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.120 Think he's going to be able to manage that. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.280 Yeah, I mean, say what it be wist, I will 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.080 guarantee it, you know. I mean, it hasn't happened like 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.640 a nuclear experts and we're going to be talking about 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.840 it a little bit later when. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.120 We discussed the papers tomorrow. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.160 But they say, and there has not been an experience 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.840 where that has happened in any case involving a nuclear plant. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.360 Yes, so well it gets more hysterical. Have a listened 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.200 to Victorian Premiere just to. 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:22.200 Ellen nuclear energy is toxic, it's risky, it's more expensive, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.680 and it is decades and decades are way. 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:28.000 Toxic and risky. 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:30.520 Though we seem to have had a nuclear reacted just 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.720 in Sydney since nineteen fifty eight. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:36.680 List Yeah, nothing's happened. We're still waiting for the toxic. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.760 We're still waiting for the risk. I mean and saying 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.720 that it's decades and decades await, lady, if the UAE 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.920 can get it off the ground in ten. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:49.320 Years, going from ZIP to now having a large proportion 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:49.840 of their. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.000 Energy needs met by nuclear in just ten years. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:54.240 I reckon Australia. 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:57.240 No, no, no, no, she's Victoria. See if emu there's. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:02.560 No way right, Okay, story lady. It is centuries away 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.960 for you, so actually you were talking it down. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:08.240 It's going to be way longer. Let's go to. 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:15.280 Queensland now, where Miles is touting the same hysteria My kids. 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:21.880 Your kids will need to manage dangerous radioactive nuclear waste forever. 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.280 Wow, that sounds terrible. You can just actually see kids 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:27.560 in the. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.600 Backyard handling these topic, maybe with a few hasmac suits. 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:36.080 We already do this in the country, Miles. We already 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.760 handle toxic waste. We already do have plants here, believe 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.360 it or not. And that's going to continue, yes, but 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.480 on an industrial scale and very safely, as all the 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.000 other countries who currently use nuclear can attest. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:51.800 We're safe. 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:56.480 But that doesn't stop the Australian unions from sharing this tweet. 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:01.240 Check out what they say, Peter and is gonna make 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.320 your dog look like this thing? 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:04.399 It's kind of cute. 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.280 Do you think it looks like a sharp hai? You 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.120 know those ones in the folds. I don't have a face, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.920 but remind dog. 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:14.320 Not even our mother could have. 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:17.280 But this just goes to show that what these people 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:21.760 think they know about nuclear energy, I think they learned 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:28.160 off teenage Ninja turtles all the symptoms because yeah, well, speaking. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:32.160 Of the Simpsons, the Victorian premiereges into Alan actually tweeted 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:37.120 out a picture a cartoon, an AI generated image. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.840 Take a look at this. So she's put up this picture. 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:44.919 It's very simpson esque of a three eyed fish. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:46.520 It's just lovely. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.600 These are the same people who bang on about misinformation 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.880 and disinformation, and next minute they'll be telling you we've 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.520 got to follow the science, and now we've got three 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.960 eyed fish because we want to have nuclear. 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.479 Power and we're going to follow the science. But they 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.680 can't tell us the science. Even our federal Energy Minister 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:08.080 Chris Bowen, when it comes to bashing nuclear this is 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:09.240 the best he's got. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.639 The Liberals and Nationals promised you a sensible energy plan. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.360 Instead they're giving you a risky nuclear scam. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:26.000 Oh see why, now I'm for your day job. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:26.960 Don't get into it. 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:28.280 Well, he was going with alliteration. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.040 You know, he's been talking about risky reactors. Risky reactors 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.440 that wasn't working now he's gone with Rime. I can't 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.640 wait to be pantomime next. I can't wait to see 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.000 what he will do. Honestly, unbelievable. 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.359 Well, look, speaking of things that are unbelievable, this next 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:45.720 story is a shocker. No, it's honestly, it's a kind 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:46.639 of child abuse. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:47.000 Really. 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:53.720 There's a piece today about autistic children being radicalized online. 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.600 They tend to spend more time online at being neurodivergent. 0:18:57.800 --> 0:19:01.280 They prefer to communicate behind to screen than in person. 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:06.240 And now experts are saying that extremist groups and groups 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:10.920 like Islamic State are using social media platforms to target 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:18.919 in particular autistic kids. That there's experts that have described 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.360 children who say have a fixation with planes. Watching one 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:30.679 child watch videos of the Twin Towers in terror attack 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:33.840 and became obsessed and then became. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:34.840 Radicalized out of that. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.280 So now federal police has got to the point where 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:42.840 they are working with autism experts to target this new phenomenon. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.600 I mean, it's really concerning that some. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:49.399 Of the most vulnerable I guess children, young people in 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.040 society are being targeted in this way, roomed into becoming 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:54.840 terrorists an extremists. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.439 It's disgusting that anyone would do it to children and 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:02.119 use children like that, particularly divergent children. What annoys me 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.560 about this story, though, is the AFP. Well, we're working 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.800 with autism experts and they're happy to talk about autism 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:09.720 and the problem with autism, but why. 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.800 Don't we just go after this thing at its source. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.880 I mean, we had at the University of Sydney an 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:20.080 event where children were chanting for inter fada and Jason Clear, 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.480 the Education Minister, refuse to come out and flatly condemn it. 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:24.919 We've had these hate preachers. 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.479 I know you've spoken ad nauseum about them, Caroline, and 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.960 very little has been done. And now we're read all 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.920 the AFP they're doing something to make sure that autistic 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:36.080 kids are well. We've got to look after kids. I'm 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:39.040 not saying we don't, but seriously, that's not the big 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.639 issue here. That's the fringes. Deal with the root source, 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:44.800 Deal with the people who are stirring this stuff up 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:45.560 in the first place. 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.600 I'm afraid it's easier said than done. They're genuinely trying to. 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:52.119 They have you are I don't think they are with 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.040 the hats they are actual. 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.480 No, not with the hate preachers. No, but now we're. 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:01.000 Talking about people like Jihad's online who are spreading this 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.880 kind of radicalizing materials. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.040 That's what we're talking about, right, And of. 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:07.760 Course you can't reach all of them. But if you 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:10.480 can't even do things about the hate preachers in our 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:13.680 own backyard who are being so brazen with what they're 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.479 calling for and inciting, then what hope do we have 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:17.760 of them targeting anyone? 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:19.120