1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday May thirteen, twenty twenty five. Vladimiw Zelenski is 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: setting out for Turkey to await Vladimir Putin as the 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: United States attempts to broker the first direct talks between 5 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: the leaders of Ukraine and Russia. That's as world leaders, 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: including Anthony Alberanzi pack their bags for Rome for the 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Pope's inauguration. Michelle Rowland is Australia's new Attorney General. Tanya 8 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Plibasek has been demoted and Labour rebel Ed Husick is 9 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: on the back bench. As the re elected Labor government 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: heads for ninety four seats. Anthony Albanesi has flexed his 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: new muscle. The National Party has re elected David Little 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: Proud as leader, defeating firebrand Matt Canavan, and this morning 13 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the Liberal Party will choose a new leader of their 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: own and seek to chart away out of the wilderness. 15 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: Today Canber's brutal power dynamics and who's coming out on top. 16 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: Anthony Alberanzi is heading for ninety four or maybe even 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: ninety five seats in the House of Representatives. And that 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: means the Prime Minister has the power to do exactly 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: what he wants. 20 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: He's got a massive mandate, massive authority given those results. 21 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: That's Jeff Chambers, the Australian's chief political correspondent. 22 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 2: And the way that the labor machine works is that 23 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 2: it's the factions who decide who is on the list 24 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: of candidates for cabinet and ministry, and the Prime Minister 25 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: then gets to decide who he appoints to witch portfolio. 26 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Albanesi has kept his closest leadership team intact. Richard Marles, Pennywong, 27 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers, Katie Gallagher and Don Farrell all keep their jobs. 28 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: The biggest promotion is Michelle Roland, the new Attorney General 29 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: who's replacing sacked Minister Mark Dreyfuss. 30 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 2: Michelle Roland holds the Western Sydney seat of Greenway, and 31 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: in the first term of government she was the Communications 32 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: Minister and she's a member of the once more powerful 33 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 2: New South Wales Right faction. So when the decision came 34 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 2: down as to who would have to give up a spot, 35 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: Michelle Roland, being the only female cabinet member of that 36 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: New South Wales Right faction, was always safe, so she 37 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: moves up into the Attorney general's portfolio. But an interesting 38 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: machinery of government change, which will be made clear on Tuesday, 39 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: is that those very controversial alterations made under Mark Dreyfus's watch, 40 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: where security agencies like ASIO and AFP were shifted out 41 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: of home affairs into attorney generals, there is now going 42 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: to be a shift back to where it was. Tony Burke, 43 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: very powerful ally of the Prime Minister, takes on home affairs, 44 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: but are much more beefed up home affairs, and you 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: could probably argue that Michelle Rowland takes on an Attorney 46 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: general's portfolio, that it isn't as powerful as it was 47 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: under Mark Dreyfus, but still a very very important role. 48 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: There was a horrendously awkward moment in this election campaign 49 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: dubbed the air kiss of Death, when Senior Minister Tanya 50 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: Plibersek approached the PM for a hug and he brushed 51 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: her off with a handshake. At the time, Plipersek tried 52 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: to make a joke of it on Sunrise, So. 53 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: That's on me. 54 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: I should have done the elbow, but I reckon you 55 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: tea still getting along, of. 56 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,839 Speaker 1: Course, Plipersek and Albanesi are both in the New South 57 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: Wales Left, but they've been rivals over the years. On Monday, 58 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: when he announced the ministry, Albanezi revealed Plibisek is still 59 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,119 Speaker 1: in cabinet but has been moved to Social Services. Journalists 60 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: first questions were all about Blibersk, and the Prime Minister 61 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: sounded defensive. 62 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: Do you see Tania Plibusk having that role until Winnex. 63 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: Go over the election. 64 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: I'm just announcing it today and you're asking me of 65 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 4: people moving on. This is the ministry that I'm announcing today. 66 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: I hope it continues for three years across the board. 67 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: I think everyone is viewing that as a demotion. I 68 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 2: don't remember the last time Social Services sat on its own. 69 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: I think Ethony Albinezy gave it away a little bit 70 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 2: when he talked about Murray Watt, who's a very close 71 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: left faction ally and known in labor circles as mister 72 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: fix It, and he described the environment portfolio as one 73 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: of the most senior in his government and one of 74 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: the most critical portfolios. So you could look at that 75 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: and think Tanya Plibersek couldn't land the suite of nature 76 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: positive reforms there was some criticisms about her handling of 77 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: the salmon farming issues in Tasmania. The other criticism of 78 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: Tanya Plibersik was that if you look at what Tony 79 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: Burke and Chris Bowen did in that first term of government, 80 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: is they really maximize that election victory by pushing through 81 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 2: a lot of their ir and climate change reforms. And 82 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: there were some criticisms internally that Tania Plibersik had left 83 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: the key pillars of the nature positive planks of reform 84 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: until too late. I'm sure she would argue differently in 85 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: terms of what the government's priorities were, but I think 86 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: that decision will very much be seen as Anthony Aberesi 87 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: once again shafting a very long time Left Faction rival. 88 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, is the greatest crime to have just been Anthony 89 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: Albanesi's rival. 90 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: Oh look, I don't think it's helped at all. The 91 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: two of them have known each other for a long time. 92 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: They've both been in parliament for about twenty five years. 93 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: Tanya was the deputy leader to Bill Shorten, another great 94 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 2: rival of Anthony Abernese's, and in that last term of 95 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: government we saw Bill Shorten and move on to take 96 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: a senior role at the University of Canberra, and I 97 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: think everyone who watches politics closely here wouldn't be overwhelmingly 98 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: surprised if, at some point during this term Tanya Plivsek 99 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: may move on out of politics. 100 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: Plivasek herself says she's happy. 101 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: Allocation of portfolios one hundred percent an issue for the PM. 102 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: We already knew Albanezi would demote Ministers Ed Husick and 103 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: Mark Dreyfus, the government's most senior Muslim and Jewish representatives, respectively. 104 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: Husick dropped the mic on the way out, telling the 105 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: ABC on Sunday he was being punished for speaking up 106 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: about Gaza. 107 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: You can't celebrate diversity and then expect it to sit 108 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: in the corner, silent and blaming. 109 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles. 110 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: I think when people look at a Deputy Prime Minister, 111 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: they expect to see a statesman, not a factional assassin. 112 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: We've obviously got to be able to avoid these type 113 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: of episodeses I think the factional grubbiness. There are better 114 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 3: ways factional. 115 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: Cusick claims he fell on his sword to save other 116 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: members of the New South Wales Right faction because the 117 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: election results meant the right lost a sport. 118 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 3: I did not want to put my colleagues through a 119 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: national ballot, and again I just did it in the 120 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: interest of stability. 121 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: When asked if he fought for Husick and Dreyfus, Albanzi 122 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: was blunt. 123 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 4: Look, we have a process in the lowe party caucus. 124 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: You've been watching it for some time. 125 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: Albanesi could have made one or both of them special envoys, 126 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: but decided to leave them on the back bench. 127 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: I think some people probably feel more sympathy for Mark 128 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 2: Dreyfus in the fact that I think he's around sixty eight, 129 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: almost seventy years of age, that he probably thought he 130 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 2: had one more go in him and if it had 131 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: been made clear to him that he wasn't going to 132 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: get endorsed for the ministry, he may well not have run. 133 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: But the flip side of that is he probably should 134 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: have been across that himself. So there is some assumptions 135 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: that Mark Drefus may move on from politics during this 136 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: term and we might see our by election in the 137 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: seat of Isaacs and with such a huge majority, these 138 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: types of by elections matter not as much for Anythony 139 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: alb and easy Ed Hughsick's a different case. He came 140 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: out very aggressively. He's not happy, He's making his feelings 141 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: felt really strongly, very publicly. And I've always thought of 142 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: labor if you sort of keep your mouth shut, show 143 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: a bit of respect, maintain a bit of o murder 144 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: that at some point down the line, you'll get looked after. 145 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 2: But if you put your head above the parapat, you 146 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: might not get the spoils, but it'll be really interesting 147 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 2: because Ed Musick is a very outspoken type of character 148 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 2: and he won't sit there quietly on the back benches. 149 00:08:53,679 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Coming up, who'll lead the National and Liberal parties? Jeff. 150 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: The Nationals have reelected their leader David little Prowd, rejecting 151 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: the candidacy of Matt Canavan, who's a bit of a firebrand. 152 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: What does that mean for the future of the National Party. 153 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've spoken to a lot of Nationals MPs 154 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: and senators and Matt Canavan put himself forward without really 155 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: thinking that he could win the vote, but just really 156 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: wanted that discussion and debate post election. And the Nationals 157 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: Party is unique in the fact that after every single 158 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: election cycle they automatically open up the leadership for a vote, 159 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: and quite often it's not contested. But after that last 160 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: election David Little Proud rolled Barnaby Joyce and this time 161 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 2: Matt Canavan put his hand up for it. But what 162 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm hearing is that it's a long way to go 163 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: three years. They want to see what the Liberals do. 164 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: There's a lot of discontentment in that room. Compared to 165 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. They've got three less bodies. Just Enter 166 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: Price is obviously defected to the Liberal Party. Peren Davy, 167 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: the Deputy leader, has lost her new South Wales Senate spot, 168 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: and Andrew g the member for Klaire who famously defected 169 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: in the last term over his position on the voice. 170 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: He's managed to win his seat on a lot of KPIs. 171 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: David Little Proud has fallen short and I don't think 172 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: that necessarily it's going to be smooth sailing for him 173 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: towards the next election. 174 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: The Liberal Party meets this morning to elect a new 175 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: leader of their own. Jeff, what should we be expecting 176 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: from that meeting? 177 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, so my mail is that the vote will be 178 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 2: very tight. It could come down to a couple of votes, 179 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 2: and you know that party room is so depleted so 180 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: it's sitting in the fifties. That magic number will be 181 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: around that twenty seven to twenty eight, and they're very 182 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: split down the middle. You've got the former Deputy leader 183 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: and Susan Lee, and you've got the Opposition Treasury spokesman 184 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: in Angus Taylor. And for some of the younger rising 185 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: star Liberal types like Andrew Hasty or Zoey McKenzie, they've 186 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: decided that this isn't the time for them and that's 187 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 2: probably the right call. So really Angus and Susan whoever 188 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: gets up, are really seen as stopgap into Mijari figures 189 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 2: whose job will be to rebuild the structures of the 190 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 2: Liberal Party, which is a massive rebuild. It's been put 191 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: to me that Susan Lays has a nose ahead, but 192 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 2: the problem is there's a handful of Senators who will 193 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: vote for Susan Lay, whose term expires in June thirty. 194 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: I think for stability sake, the Liberals have got a 195 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: fair way to go. 196 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: Jeff Chambers is The Australian's chief political correspondent. You can 197 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: read our unrival coverage of federal politics twenty four seven 198 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com. Do reju