WEBVTT - #1980 The Show That God Hijacked - Harps & Tiff 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600 I'll tell you what everyone before we get underway. I 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:09.240 feel intimidated. I feel undervalued, underappreciated. I feel I'm going 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:13.880 to be honest. I know Tip's hilarious and lovable and 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.439 charming and charismatic on air and you won't believe this, 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.520 but off air, fucking straight up bully, straight up bully, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:25.200 yells at me, bosses me around, and you can imagine 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.840 how fragile I am. I mean, have I mentioned how 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:32.720 old I am? My back a lot of stuff. But 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.800 does she give a fuck? Oh no, no, but now right, 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:39.559 she'll talk. Now, she'd be all love and light and 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:43.600 unicorns and fucking Disneyland, right to just woo you in. 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:48.600 But once that fucking microphone goes off, she's fucking Genghis calm, 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:55.520 fucking annihilates me. Hello Genghis, he I just spewed in 0:00:55.560 --> 0:01:01.000 my mouth. Fuck. Um, you know you bossy? Right? You 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:01.600 do know that? 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:02.040 You do? 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.119 You? You know how bossy you are. I did point 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.560 out to her that I'm the actual boss, but she's like, 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:15.080 you're not. Be hang on, you're not, which sadly is true. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.840 I don't know how I achieved that, but somehow I 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:26.520 work for her, which is I need a psychologist. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:29.400 Oh, hang on, very good at being bossed around, am. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.200 I You're fucking terrible. I don't want to boss you around. 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.000 Just sometimes you go to be hey, just wait on, 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.399 wait a fucking minute. It's not a yeah. I'm like, 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:43.360 we're not married. You can't talk to me like that. 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:47.640 And on top of that, you're honor I'm your boss 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.200 and you're like, nah, you're not. I'm like, all right, then, 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:56.440 all right, it's someday everyone. It's twenty five to six 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:00.600 in the PM. It's been an interesting day, milbs. It's 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.960 been cold, it's been warm, it's been fucking still, it's 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:07.520 been gaye force winds, it's been all of it. Wherever 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.760 you are in the world, we have Last time I look, 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.640 we had listeners in nearly ninety countries, some of those. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.480 When I do look at the stats, it's like four 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:21.680 people in Zambia, so to you guys shout out. So 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.280 not a lot of people from there listening, but the 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.760 four of you fucking thinks if you could spread the 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:31.200 word a bit. I mean, you know, look, I know 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.000 you've got other stuff on. You probably got kids, you've 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.679 probably got a job, but maybe as your third priority, 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:43.799 spreading the typ gospel and if you could, because we're 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:46.240 not really crushing it in Zambia, but so if you 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:49.880 could help out, that would be much appreciated. Over and out, 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:51.800 Love Harps. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.799 Does everyone realize why I have to. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:03:06.680 Be so bossy? I am a child, I'm Mary's child. Yeah, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.520 Mom was telling me. I was just on the phone, Mum, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.840 God bless whenever anyone that I know is not well, 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.640 Like even if Mom doesn't numb, she got she's straight up. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.520 I'll pray for them. But that's Mary's. I'll pray for them. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.440 And what's their name again, I go tell them their name? 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:27.160 All right, I'll pray for them. I might light a 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.520 candle for them, depends on if I'm at church or not, 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.400 but I'll send up a couple of hail Mary's and 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.760 then our father. I'm like, Mum, that will be good. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.240 You're pretty much God's right hand woman. So I will 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.920 tell them. And do you know when I tell people 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:45.480 that my mama's praying for them, and I'm not even joking, right, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.880 it's not there's not a gag coming. Yeah, they some 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.760 people get a bit teary. I'm like, no, she really 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.040 is actually praying for you, and they're like, oh my god, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.480 that is so and I go and she's got enough 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.320 of her own, So I don't know why the fuck 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.160 she's praying for you, but anyway she is. She's such 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.720 a good human, my mom. So I'll put them on 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.600 my list. What's their name? She's got a list, got 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.480 a list, God bless her. I'm like, mamam on that list. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:19.960 She's so cool. She didn't say fuck, She's like, you're 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:26.839 the constant you're never offered, but not in an encouraging way. 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.719 You know you need all the help you can fucking 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:33.800 get way, you know, So you know, if you ever 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.520 do you ever need some Mary prayers, anyone, hit me 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:40.720 up typ podcast face facey page. I'll get married to 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.599 whack you on the can't hurt, can't hurt, That's what 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.800 I think. Can't hurt? You know what else I think? 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.440 And I know this is not what we're talking about, 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:55.520 But like my mum's faith, now, I don't know, is 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.360 there a god. I grew up believing there's a god. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.560 We don't know. That's why we call it faith, not 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.880 knowledge or evidence or data, you know, but my mom 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.839 my mom's pretty sure, right. But what I love is 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.479 that my mom's faith and her belief and her prayer 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.040 and her going to church. Now, whether or not it's 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.960 one hundred percent legit, and it's all everything that she 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:18.960 was taught and told and trying to believe is true. 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:21.320 Or perhaps some of it or none of it, it 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.240 doesn't even matter to me because it makes her better. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:29.960 It makes her calm or calmer, she can worry, and 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:34.880 it's like it's very very much a positive in her life. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.200 So whether or not I agree or don't agree, or 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.120 we align on things or don't align on things, to 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.280 me matters zero. I just look back and I go, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.960 all right, So my mom does this thing, she has 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.560 this way of being and living and believing, and she 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.799 has all these little rituals and rules and habits. What's 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.839 the net result. Well, the net result, Harps is she's 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:02.280 way better than if she didn't have that, because it 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.279 gives her a sense of calm and peace and takes 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.120 away anxiety. Like I don't think because she nearly died 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.479 a few times with cancer and a heart attack. Three 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:17.599 times cancer, one time heart attack. She doesn't. You know 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.320 what she said to me the other day, She said, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.279 we'll talk about her license. She just got her license 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.960 renewed for two years, right, and she goes, well, that'll 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.560 do me. I'll be done by then, like I'll be dead, 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.520 she's like, but she doesn't go. Oh, She's like, well, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.359 I won't be here in two years, which she probably will. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.719 But you know, she's like, two years is good, Like 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.440 that will see me out. She goes, And it's funny 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.839 because she has no apparent fear of dying. Dad, on 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:49.800 the other hand, he's probably I don't think he's terrified, 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.320 but I think he's more regular, you know, more normal. 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.360 He doesn't like talking about it at all. But Mum's 0:06:55.440 --> 0:07:00.160 constantly saying to me something like not bringing it up 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.599 for the sake, but just in conversation. She'll go, So 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.520 when I go to God, make sure you do this, 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.279 make sure you remember that, right, because I'm the only one. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.200 There's no kids, there's no grandkids, there's no siblings, there's 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.560 just Fatty Harps tells me so much shit to remember. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.560 I'm like, can you write a list before you go 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.400 to God, because there's a lot of shit that I 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:23.880 need to do. She goes, I have a list, yes, So. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.600 But of course she's not scared because God saved her receipt. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:33.320 Yeah, front, well, you think about what I mean, what 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.840 my mum believes is that Heaven's better than here, and 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:41.400 she doesn't like she truly believes that, so, you know, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.720 apart from the normal mortal human fear of dying, you know, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.480 she's pretty comfy with it. So good for her. Anyway, 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:52.960 Enough about Mary, Well. 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.520 One more question. When it went from hardcore preaching in 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:02.320 the street to I'm not sure about this God business 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.760 that I've been talking about my whole life, did you 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:07.440 share that with Mary? And what did you think? 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:13.560 Short? Didn't? Short didn't? Uh no, no, no, look I didn't. Okay, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.960 what's in't preaching in the street, but I was. I 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.360 was for those three of you don't know. So I 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.840 did spend quite a few years in an evangelical Pentecostal 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:28.400 Praise the Lord church, and yeah, part of that involved, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:32.520 like me being involved in different ministries and preaching literally 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:38.760 you know, from the altar, reading teaching from the Bible. Yeah, 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:42.280 all of the you know, I'm not talking about the 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:47.520 casual weekend Christian. The I wear a tracksuit. Therefore, I'm 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.960 an athlete kind of Christian. You know, look at me. 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.079 I own attracts it I'm an athlete. No, you just 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:58.160 don't attract it. You know, there's people who call themselves things, 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.360 and then there's people who do all the work that's 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:05.360 required to actually be that. And I was like, I was, 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.480 you know, fully immersed in my belief, in my faith. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.959 And it's not like I went, I don't believe in God. 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.959 And if you ask me, now, do I believe in 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.840 God or do I believe in let's just go with 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.199 do I believe in God? My answer is yes. Can 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.559 I prove that there's a God? No? Am I trying 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.240 to convince anyone that there's a God? No Am I 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:32.760 trying to manipulate coerce preach evangelized to any particular person. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:32.960 No? 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.960 Could I be wrong? Yes? And this is the whole 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.760 you know, if we are, it's very hard to have 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:46.760 a hard wired belief and also be open minded because 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.040 when you go, oh, this is the one true Church, 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.559 the one true God, the one true doctrine, the one 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:56.040 true theology, you're also saying that everything that doesn't align 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.880 with what I believe is wrong. Now that to me 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:05.160 makes no sense. I do I believe that I could 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.520 be right about some things and wrong about lots of things. Yes, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.400 I believe that could everything I've ever thought and been 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:16.440 taught about, you know, all things God, could all of 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:22.280 it be wrong? Yes? Am I comfortable with that kind 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.240 of you know, it's like I it's very difficult to 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.520 talk about. Well, it's not difficult, but it's very hard 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.600 to be, you know, have a very very strong belief 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:38.040 about something you literally cannot prove, and also say, by 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.640 the way, I'm super open minded and objective. Well, you 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:44.959 can't be both. You can't have a hard line belief 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.840 about something for which you have no evidence, right, And 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:52.360 people go, ah, you know the trees, that's evidence of God. Well, 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.559 other people would go that's evidence of nature or evolution 0:10:56.000 --> 0:11:00.640 or you know. And and to me, though I believe, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:03.120 I don't know what that means. I don't believe in 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:05.560 church as much as I believe in God. It's not 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.880 say church is bad, but I think, like all groups, 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:14.600 or all organizations or all businesses, anything, where there's a 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:19.560 group of people, there can be amazing, beautiful, genuine people 0:11:19.600 --> 0:11:23.760 who really operate in love, and there can be manipulative cunts. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.000 And that's what I think. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.199 That's what I was to say that word in the 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:29.679 middle of I know in the middle. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.600 Of this kind of God conversation. But that's what I 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.559 truly think now I don't know, I mean. But and again, 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:38.320 this is not this is not an instructional podcast. This 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.080 is not a teaching podcast in that sense. This is 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:47.520 like me being the most real, raw version of me 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.360 talking about my beliefs that I can be, which most 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.319 people would never talk this way publicly if they were 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.200 me and if they had those beliefs and that. But 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:59.280 could I be wrong, yes? Could I be right? Yes? 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:02.880 Could I be partly right? Yes? You know, so we 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:08.480 don't know, and we tend to believe and defend and 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:13.160 fight for what we think is right, not necessarily what 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:18.079 we know is right right, So there's that. And also, 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.240 I think you know, one of the things that you 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:24.400 talk about on your show, I talk about on this 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:29.000 We've talked about multiple times is how attractive it is 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:36.280 to be or how perhaps are what's the word valuable, noble, humble? 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.160 It is to be truly okay with being wrong, like 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:45.800 truly And if I'm being honest, well, I've probably been 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:49.080 wrong about as many things as I've been right, maybe 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.320 more so. Why now would I think it's sixty one 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.920 having been making mistakes for my whole life and getting 0:12:55.960 --> 0:13:00.000 things wrong for my whole life. That I'm absolutely right 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:04.599 about everything. Well, that's ego, that's arrogance, that's shit attitude, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:09.559 that's that's being defensive. That's not a person who really 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.120 wants to learn and grow and evolve. That's someone who 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:18.480 wants to be right. That's someone who's addicted to, you know, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.680 winning in a bad way. So for me, it's like 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.200 I have reasons that I've gone into. You know, there 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.319 have been many things in my life that have happened 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:35.520 that that indicate to me that there is way more 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:42.160 to life and experience and what can be experienced and 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.880 what can be accessed, and what wisdom could be, and 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.000 what truth could be, and what knowledge could be beyond 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:51.800 the human brain. I think one of them, this is 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:56.000 someone doing a neuropsych degree PhD. I should say, you know, 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:58.800 one of the problems is that we think we're smarter 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:02.320 than we are. We are all knowing as a species. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:10.240 I object to that wildly. I think compared to other 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.280 mammals and animals, we are in some ways smarter and 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:20.480 more evolved. But that depends on the metric that you're using. 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.680 Put me and a line in the jungle. Who the 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.920 fuck's winning? Not Fatty Harps? You know? Put like, it 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:32.040 depends on what's the problem we're trying to solve. You know, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.040 how can how well can you adapt and survive in 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.480 this situation or that context? Like we've built for ourselves 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:44.400 the most comfortable existence because of our capacity to reason 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.480 and think and solve problems, which is, in that way 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:51.920 we are the smarter species, but you think about other things. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.000 In other ways, we are definitely not. And so then 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.440 when you zoom out a bit from the brain and 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:02.600 the mind and what we call logic and reason and 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:07.680 common sense, then you realize that perhaps there is a 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:13.040 whole universe of intelligence and wisdom and truth and knowing 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:18.400 to be accessed that doesn't fit within the parameters of 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:24.080 what we call logic or reason or probability or possibility. 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.200 I just think that we tell ourselves what we want 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:32.240 to believe because the other shit scares us. And there 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.560 are many, many, many things that continue to be brought 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:40.400 to light that are absolute and true that not long 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:46.320 ago we considered absolutely impossible. And so as we know 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.640 now that things that we're doing in twenty twenty five 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:58.800 were not possible ten years ago and completely. You know, 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.560 some thing's twenty thirty forty years ago, one hundred and 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:05.800 two hundred years ago would have been considered witchcraft or 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:09.320 something like that, because in that time, with the knowledge 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.200 that those people had, whatever of the thing was like 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:17.120 I've spoken before, like people flying across the sky in 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:21.800 a metal tube. And so you've got a plane which 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:26.560 weighs hundreds of tons and people that weigh however many 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.720 ton and then you put that in the sky. Well, 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.680 even a fucking feather can't stay in the sky. It 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:37.040 falls to the ground. You know, logically, back then that 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:39.840 makes no sense because they didn't have the understanding of 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:45.280 physics and thrust and power and aerodynamics that we now have. 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:51.080 So it depends on the time in human evolution and 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.800 the context and also what we have been taught and 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.560 told and trained. So, yeah, that was very deep, and 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.280 I did we didn't expect to go there, But keep going. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.600 I feel like you've got another ready, let's shelve the 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.400 other conversation. We'll do it later. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:10.960 Yeah, how much do you think we have control over 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:17.400 choosing our beliefs and what comes into that process? At 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.440 what point do we get a level of control over 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:22.160 our beliefs. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.520 Okay, you've asked a lot of questions. That's in the 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:30.120 top three of smartest questions that you've ever asked me. Right, 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.919 So this is great, This is a great conversation I have. 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:38.000 So the answer is, we have a lot of control. 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.200 But also at the same time, most of us don't 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.199 use that control or a lot of capacity to change 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:49.080 our beliefs. But one, you can't change your beliefs unless 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.400 you think perhaps they're flawed. And two unless you are 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:57.800 absolutely willing to be wrong and prepared to go I 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.679 was just wrong, no bullshit, no where you go, no excuses, 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.560 no rationale, just I was wrong. And then three, to 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.640 be able to consider things that perhaps were at odds 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.000 with your previous belief A very common one that I've 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:17.200 used on this show is my habit for thirty years 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:21.199 of teaching the food pyramid because I thought that was 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:27.240 I thought that was gold standard science. I was taught 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:32.160 that was gold standard science. And then probably ten years ago, 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:34.919 maybe a little bit more, I heard the story of 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:39.959 ansel keys and how that model of eating came into being, 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.560 and I did some research and more research and asked 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.399 some questions and did deeper and deeper dive, and it 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:52.959 turns out that that particular idea or that proposal of 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.360 this is the best way to eat is wildly flawed. 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.480 Now I believe that, and so I was wrong. I'm 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:02.800 not mad at anyone. I don't blame anyone. I just 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.240 go I thought A. Turns out that A was wrong, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:12.040 it's actually B. And so the moment that I know 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:16.600 something different, or I'm aware that there is information or 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:22.240 data or evidence which doesn't fit my belief and I'm 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.680 not at least even willing to consider that, well, that's 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.800 coming out a place of fear, fear of being embarrassed, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.119 fear of looking stupid people think, fear of people thinking 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.560 less of me, fear of having to own up to something. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.840 And none of that is in an interest to get 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.840 to the truth. That's all in an interest to protect 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:49.360 my ego and my bullshit and my reputation. And I mean, 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.240 I've said things on this podcast. Nothing springs to mind, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.960 but there's probably one hundred things I've said on this 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:01.000 very show over the last eight years that were bullshit 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:07.600 or partly bullshit, not intentionally, of course, But now if 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.480 I revisited that, I might think that that what I 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:17.920 said back then was foolish or not fully enlightened or founded, 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.879 you know. So the answer is we can change our beliefs, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.960 but we need to first recognize what are the beliefs 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.520 that I currently have that hold me back, How do 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:32.000 they hinder me? And where did they come from? Did 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:37.199 I choose this belief or is this belief a byproduct 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.399 of who I've hung around and what I've paid attention to. 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:43.679 Because you know, we say you become the average of 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:45.960 the five. You know, that's kind of bro science, but 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:49.280 there's definitely something in it. You know. The chances of 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.440 me becoming a Catholic, going to a Catholic school and 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.199 never anything else, and having Catholic friends, and being in 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.520 the Catholic Catholic system, and going to Mass every Sunday 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.000 and having Athlelic parents and you know, nuns and priests 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.440 coming to our house for dinner on a regular well, 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.199 the chances of me being a Buddhist was zero. The 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.800 chances of me being an atheist was zero. The chances 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.960 of me being an Anglican was zero. But then one 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:17.320 day you get to the point where you might question 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.000 something because you go, yeah, I know this is what 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.320 I meant to believe in to believe in inverted commas, 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.200 but there's something in me that's going, yeah, that could 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:31.320 be bullshit. And the other part to this, which makes 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.720 it even harder to change beliefs, is we have a 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:39.639 weird sense of loyalty to our fellow believers, like we 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:43.960 live in an echo chamber of belief, so we get 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:47.520 trapped in confirmation bias. We only look for evidence or 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:52.439 data or stories or information that support our belief So 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.040 is it possible to change our beliefs? Absolutely? Is it easy? No, 0:21:57.280 --> 0:22:01.399 It's quite difficult, depending on you know. Also, some of 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:05.200 those beliefs are life shaping and life defining, an identity defining. 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:06.360 They're the hardest. 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:12.040 Making me think of in relation to these questions, what 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.480 made me think of that was this morning I was 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:17.000 training someone. This will sound weird, but it relates in 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:20.800 my head. Hopefully it makes sense. Training someone brand new 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:25.200 in boxing and teaching them how you hold yourself changes 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:29.000 your reaction. So when we teach boxing, you are changing, 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:35.320 you are changing your posture, and you're training a reaction 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.800 that is beyond your control. Because when something doesn't matter, 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:43.359 how brave and tough and fear less in inverted commas, 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:47.639 you are when something's rocketing at your face before you 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:52.600 have a chance to choose your response, you react, and 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:58.680 if you're standing upright in your posture, your reaction will 0:22:58.680 --> 0:23:01.480 be to pull back and lift up to get out 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:03.440 because your brain goes, fuck, We've got to get out 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:05.920 of here. If you hold your chin down and hold 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.439 a stance where you are in a forward motion, like 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.439 crouching like a tiger, and that same thing comes at 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.280 your face, your reaction. Because I've done this. I've done 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.119 both of these, and I've changed them in a moment 0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.760 in the same session and had different reactions. You will. 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.000 You will slip the punch, and you will likely aggress 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.679 your throwback. So it's got nothing to do about the 0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.440 story of whether or not I, oh, I'm so brave 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.359 when someone punches me old punch and back. That doesn't 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.760 come into it. So, oh, I believe this, Like, So 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:38.520 it's what part of those beliefs? So did you? So 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:44.000 my question is do you feel like you chose God 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:51.440 or you erased the parts of the religious community that 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:56.360 you didn't connect with and you kept what was left behind. 0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:01.320 Wow? Also a good question. So I'm the first to 0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.480 put up my hand and say, like, I realize that 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.159 the way that I think is just the way that 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.720 I think. I don't confuse what I think with absolute truth, right, 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:22.359 I don't confuse my knowledge with wisdom. But so for me, 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.720 I was in the middle of for for a number 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:29.639 of years, multiple churches, you know, maybe eight years, and 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:35.080 this is after Catholicism, and I just saw things to 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:40.080 me that were out of alignment with the teaching of 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:45.600 the church. I remember my you know, compared to some people, 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.159 my theological knowledge is too out of ten. Compared to 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:54.040 the average person, it's probably pretty good. So, you know, 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:58.960 when when I see people doing things which are totally 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:02.399 out of alignment with what they would typically say to 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:08.600 others or preach or be seen to be doing in 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:14.440 a church situation, and I see basically like fraudulent behavior, 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.800 I'm like, that's just you pretending that you're something. And 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.160 then I see them basically when they think no one's looking, 0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:25.959 being a different version. Right. There's that that now, and 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.480 that sounds judgmental. Well, I don't mean that to be, 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:32.200 but that's just that was my observation. And I saw 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:35.560 that many times. I also saw people who when no 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:39.240 one thought when they thought no one was watching, they 0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:42.840 were an angel, like they were doing just incredible stuff 0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.320 for others. Right. So, but this is any group of people. 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:50.919