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Speaker 1: You? You know how bossy you are. I did point

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Speaker 1: I You're fucking terrible. I don't want to boss you around.

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Speaker 1: Love Harps.

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Speaker 2: Does everyone realize why I have to.

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Speaker 1: Be so bossy? I am a child, I'm Mary's child. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is comfortable? And I am pretty good at not doing

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Speaker 1: that or being that. In fact, a lot of the

427
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: things that I believe make my life harder in that

428
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: I'm inherently selfish. And you know, while I want to

429
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Speaker 1: help people and love people, and I truly do, I

430
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: can be a selfish fuck, you know. And I know

431
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Speaker 1: that if I didn't have the beliefs that I have,

432
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Speaker 1: that I would not that I would be. I don't

433
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: think I'm a great person now, but I would not

434
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Speaker 1: be the person I am now. I truly believe, and

435
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: I've said this a hundred times. I truly believe that

436
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: if you can and really try to come from a

437
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: place of love, whatever that is with that's kindness or

438
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: quality time or generosity or empathy or support, you know

439
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: that if you can truly try to come from that perspective,

440
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: and it's not to be selfless, because that doesn't work,

441
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: but it's to be less selfish, you know, to have

442
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: a purpose bigger than you, and a purpose that you know,

443
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 1: while I make good money, money is not my reason

444
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: for living. And so to try to, you know, live

445
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: those values which may or may not be biblical. But

446
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: to me, that's the thing. And I look, I might

447
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: find out one day, or Mary might find out if

448
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: she goes quicker and she can email me from heaven

449
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: dot com hashtag no bullshit up here, she might give

450
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: me a quick insight. But you know, I think, I

451
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: think it's just a really interesting thing to think and

452
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: think about. And I guess God, Heaven, Hell, eternity, life, death,

453
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, different realms, you know, spiritual spirituality, spiritual insight,

454
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: spiritual wisdom. You know, there are all of these things

455
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Speaker 1: that we kind of have words for, but I don't

456
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: know that we fully understand them. And I and I

457
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: can't explain this. And this could be a byproduct of

458
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: my mind, or it could be something else, but I

459
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: know that the intention that I go into experiences with

460
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about buying my bananas, but if

461
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Speaker 1: I'm going to do a talk like I did one

462
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Speaker 1: you know the other day in Meal Dury that we

463
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Speaker 1: spoke about or or it could be something perhaps more

464
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: a little deeper, where I'm working with a whole group

465
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Speaker 1: for a day and it's really people who are ready

466
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Speaker 1: to change their life. I know. So that if I

467
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Speaker 1: if I get out of my own bullshit and ego

468
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: and get I get out of my planning, and I

469
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: get out of my research, and I get out of

470
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: my to do list, and I just you know, I'll

471
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Speaker 1: pray a little prayer and it might be something you know,

472
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Speaker 1: like all of you, and none of me, like all

473
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Speaker 1: of you, none of me, you know, let me be

474
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Speaker 1: a conduit to the wisdom and the love and the knowledge,

475
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Speaker 1: so that I don't get in the way of what

476
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: might happen for these people today, you know. And that

477
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: people will go, oh my god, he's gone. No, I

478
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: haven't gone. I've always been like that. I've always been

479
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: like that. It's just I think sometimes we've got to

480
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Speaker 1: be like I try to be mindful of how wide

481
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: I open the door, because some people will go, oh,

482
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: this is fucking psychobabble, bullshit, spiritual bullshit. I'm out. And

483
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: of course to those people, you know, of course, go

484
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: find who you connect with or what you connect with,

485
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: and either way they could be right. I don't know,

486
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: but I think you you know, if you stand for nothing,

487
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: you'll fall for anything, So you've got to go Look.

488
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but this is what I think,

489
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: This is what I believe, This is what works for me,

490
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Speaker 1: which is why I don't try to evangelize anyone, coerce anyone.

491
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm not telling anyone they should believe in anything. I'm

492
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: telling you how it works for me, and I just

493
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Speaker 1: think that it is. It is brave to be able

494
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Speaker 1: to go through life knowing that, or being comfortable with

495
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: the idea that you're going to be wrong a lot,

496
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Speaker 1: and you're going to be wrong about things that you

497
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: really do not want to be wrong about. But going

498
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Speaker 1: I was wrong, not Here's twenty reasons why just I

499
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: was wrong. So One, if I misled you, I apologize too.

500
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to. Three. I'm going to lean into

501
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: this and see what I can learn, and see what also,

502
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: see what I can learn beyond beyond the Internet, beyond

503
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: the research, beyond the books, beyond the psychology. I want

504
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: to see what I can learn just by being open,

505
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: by being aware, by paying attention. I think we can

506
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: learn just by allowing whatever it is our brain, our mind,

507
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: our soul to be a conduit to the wisdom that

508
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: exists outside of what we think is knowledge. This is deep,

509
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Speaker 1: isn't it?

510
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Speaker 2: I love it so much. This is one of my

511
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Speaker 2: favorite conversations. What do you think that your belief in

512
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: God gives you? Like protection, safety, connection, belonging? Like what

513
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: does it bring to you? And second to that, how

514
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: do you feel or do you think about how does

515
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Speaker 2: that change or shape your behavior?

516
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Speaker 1: Honestly, sometimes I don't want to believe in God. Hard

517
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: work be much easier to not to right, I don't

518
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Speaker 1: think about like I think if this is just how

519
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: I think if you believe in God because you think

520
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: that's some kind of guarantee to something you probably don't

521
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: really believe in God. It's kind of like, oh well

522
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: if I do this, then I won't go to hell there.

523
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't really work like that, like you genuinely for

524
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: me anyway, my understanding my belief is like sometimes I'm

525
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: mad at God. Sometimes I'm like God, this is I

526
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: don't want to do this, Like I don't want to

527
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: do this. God's like, yeah, I don't care, you know,

528
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: don't care? Like what makes you come t like what

529
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, is not what I'm like. Let's say

530
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Speaker 1: that the Bible's real, and let's say that there was

531
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Speaker 1: a bloke called Jesus, and let's say that he did

532
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: get nailed to across on a hill called Calvary and

533
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: died an agonizing, slow, painful death. If all of that's true,

534
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: well that's a that's I'm never going to deal with

535
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: anything like that, you know, like that's the ultimate. Now,

536
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: obviously that's the that's the Christian message, is that Jesus

537
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: died for hour, you know, John three point sixteen, for

538
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: God so love the world that he gave He's only

539
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: begotten son, that whosoever believes in him would not perish

540
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: but have eternal life. That's the salvation scripture, right, And

541
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: and then I think about it. Can't just if you go, well,

542
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: i'm a Christian, or if you go I'm a Muslim,

543
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: or if you go I'm a Buddhist, or if you

544
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: go I'm a Jew, or if you go I'm a

545
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is, whatever your theology is. You can't just

546
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: pick and choose. You can't go, yeah I believe that bit.

547
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe that bit, you know, or it's probably

548
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to let me say this better

549
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: if you're picking and choosing the inside, it's the wisdom

550
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: the scriptures that work for you because you're you're okay

551
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: to do that, and you're comfortable to do that. Like,

552
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: I think the messages that are the most empowering and

553
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: the most relevant for me are the ones I don't

554
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: want to hear. They're the ones I don't want to hear,

555
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: you know, Like remember that story I told you about

556
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:28,959
Speaker 1: me training? Remember that which one? Remember I told you that? Okay,

557
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: I've told this maybe two or three times, right, Yes,

558
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: So I prayed to God one day because I was

559
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: obsessed with my body and obsessed with training, and I

560
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: just I just started reading the Bible like I was

561
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: early twenties. I didn't know the front from the back, Genesis,

562
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 1: first Book, Revelation, last Book, or New Testament. I didn't

563
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: know where anything was. So I didn't I didn't know

564
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: one scripture. I couldn't have told you one scripture from

565
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,479
Speaker 1: the Bible. Obviously, growing up as a Catholic, we weren't

566
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: encouraged to read the Bible right, no heat or hate,

567
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 1: just that was my experience. So one day I just

568
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: I Remember, there's sixty six books in the Bible, or

569
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: in the kind of typical Bible. There are a few

570
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: different ones, but most Bibles have sixty six books. And

571
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: within all of those books, which I guess you could

572
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: in more layman's terms, we might call them chapters, but

573
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: they're called books, and they have a bunch of different

574
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: chapters within those books and verses in those chapters. And

575
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean literally tens and tens and tens

576
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: of thousands of words in the Bible. And so one

577
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: day I felt that I felt that God was telling

578
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Speaker 1: me that I was obsessed with my body. I mean,

579
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Speaker 1: this is me kraigerfying it, that how I looked and

580
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: what my body was doing and how big my muscles were,

581
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: and that was basically my God because I was filled

582
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: with ego and as insecure and at that point in

583
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: my life, I got validation and approval and acceptance and

584
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: what I felt was love through what I looked like

585
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: and how well my body could perform. Right, So that's

586
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: very addictive when you were a fat, socially invisible kid

587
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: who got nothing but heat and hate because of his body.

588
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: Now you fast forward six seven years and I'm getting

589
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: all of this attention because my body is in good shape,

590
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: so attention. Not that I was, you know, spectacular, but

591
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: compared to what I look like when I was fourteen,

592
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: I was fucking Brad Pitt, right. And while I wanted

593
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: to learn about not just God, I wanted to learn

594
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: about a different way about thinking about life and about

595
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: people and about existing and about like, what is life

596
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: about working, making money and buying stuff and then getting

597
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: old and dying? Is that what life's about? Because that's

598
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: it's kind of what I thought most people thought life

599
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: was about. You know, you get married between twenty and thirty,

600
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: you have, you know, two point three kids, you have

601
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: a golden a trebra station wagon, white pick a fence.

602
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: You do a job, you don't have a passion, You

603
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: do a job. You do that forty years, and you

604
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: retire from the thing that you didn't love, but it

605
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: paid the bills. And then you get old and then

606
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: you get fucked. You might buy a caravan, you might

607
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: play your goal four times a year, but you're fucked

608
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: and then you die. And I'm like, that was what

609
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: I thought, and I just was very interested in something else,

610
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: and I always had it's going to sound weird, but

611
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: I always had what I would call a god curiosity

612
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: and a God awareness. And even now it's sixty one,

613
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, but I'm telling you that,

614
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: you know that I've had for me. And I don't

615
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: even like saying it because people think you're weird and

616
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, he was so sensible until he did that, right,

617
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: I get it. But you know, if you believe me,

618
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: then you'll believe me when I tell you that. You know.

619
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: I sat in my car with that Bible and I said, God,

620
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: if you want me to not train, you know you

621
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: want me to like I felt, I was being told

622
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: not to be basically a fathead obsessed with his own appearance,

623
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Speaker 1: right and body, And so I shut my eyes. I

624
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: didn't know where anything was, didn't know any of the books,

625
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 1: any of the chapters, any of the scriptures, any of

626
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: the verses. I didn't know Old Testament from you. I

627
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: opened the Bible with my eyes closed, and I put

628
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Speaker 1: my finger in and my prayer was, God, if you

629
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Speaker 1: want me to stop, you know, to change my life

630
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: in this way, let me know. And my finger was on.

631
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Speaker 1: My finger was at there was a tea and my

632
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 1: finger was just before the tea, and the word was

633
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Speaker 1: the no sorry sorry, it was P. It was P.

634
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Speaker 1: And the word was physical. Right, So here's the P

635
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Speaker 1: and my fingers at the start. And the scripture is

636
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Speaker 1: one Timothy four to eight, and it says physical training

637
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Speaker 1: profiteth a little. This is in the King James version,

638
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,319
Speaker 1: which is old ye world, I'll say it in more

639
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: modern terms, new international version maybe, which is physical training

640
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: is of some value, but train yourself in the things

641
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: of God like that was. That was And my finger

642
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: with my eyes closed, found that out of thousands of

643
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: thousands of words, and that was the thing that I read.

644
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: And then I went directly from there into church. This

645
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: was my second week at a Bible kind of spirit

646
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: fuelled Pentecostal church. There was an old guy. For those

647
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: who've heard this, I apologize Pastor Milton, who was great.

648
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: And I said to him, I asked him like I

649
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: knew the answer because I'd found one scripture, but I

650
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 1: wanted to hear from him what he would say. And

651
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: I said he was a real theological giant. And I said, Pastor,

652
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: I work in a gym. He didn't know me yet,

653
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: he'd met me briefly, but I said I work in

654
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: a gym. I told him what I do. I didn't

655
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: tell him why I had this question. I said, my

656
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: question to you is, is there a scripture in the Bible,

657
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: the whole Bible, front or back, you know, Old or

658
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: New Testament, that talks about like working out, like physical training.

659
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: And he goes, oh, let me think, let me think,

660
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: and he kind of it chews over it from maybe

661
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: six eight seconds, and he goes, yeah, there's there's one scripture.

662
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: He called everyone, dear one. He goes, yes, dear one,

663
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: there's one, and it's one Timothy four eight and it's

664
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, physical training, prophetess a little but train yourself

665
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: onto the things of God. And I'm like, I went

666
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: white and I just went thank you, and then I

667
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: just walked you know so. And some people will say, well,

668
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: that could happen, that's a coincidence. And I'm going to

669
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: say to you maybe maybe I don't know. Do I

670
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: have proof that that was God? Of course I don't,

671
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: but I have had many things like that happen. Now

672
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: I believe that just like here's my analogy. Do you

673
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: believe that your body is always sending you signals? Tiff? Yeah, yeah,

674
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: So I believe that our body is a biofeedback system

675
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: and we are all getting messages from our body. I

676
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: also believe that most people do not listen. It's not

677
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: that the information is there. It's not that the wisdom

678
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: or the insight or the understanding or the message is

679
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: not there. It's just that we're not open. Now, if

680
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: you want to do something that's a bit scary, go

681
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: and pray to whoever or whatever. Just say God or

682
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: whoever or whatever you are, if you are real in

683
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: the next week, just show me something, show me something

684
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: and be honest. And then people go, oh, yeah, you're

685
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: going to make something up with your mind. And you know,

686
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: people will always find a reason. And I get it.

687
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it one hundred percent get it.

688
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: I'm pretty skeptical too, I trust pretty slowly. I ask

689
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: a thousand questions. But you would be surprised a number

690
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: of people who when you open yourself to the possibility

691
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: that there's knowledge or wisdom or truth to be gleaned

692
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: and access that doesn't come from the Internet or a

693
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: book or Brian right, then some amazing shit can happen.

694
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: Do you remember I'm sure I told you. Do you

695
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 2: remember that dream I had, and it was it was

696
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: some time after we had a similar conversation to this,

697
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: where I was I was asleep. Tell it, You'll probably

698
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 2: remember I was, I was asleep, and then I had

699
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: this kind of this half visa. I think I'm awake

700
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: but not really kind of dreaming. There's a silhouette and

701
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: obviously I'm thinking we've had a conversation about God or

702
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: Jesus or whatever. And in that kind of semi half awake,

703
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: vivid feeling, I've gone, I've looked at this silhouett this

704
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: and I've gone show me or proved to me or something.

705
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: And in my mind I know that it was like

706
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: it was like it was God or Jesus or whatever.

707
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: And a moment later, the cat ran its right, so

708
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm in bed. The cat runs and I hear it

709
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: on the carpet. It runs up and it jumps and

710
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: it's got its face next to mine, and I've gone

711
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: into complete shock. And then I opened my eyes and

712
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 2: there's no cat there but the cat. My cat doesn't

713
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: have access to my so my bedroom door shut and

714
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: the cat's in a completely different room. Wow, and my

715
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: heart's racing. And I was like that, but at that first,

716
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't move for a second when it was happening,

717
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: and I was just like, what the fuck was that?

718
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: And how did you feel after that?

719
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: I just remember it being like what the hell was that?

720
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: And cure it, you.

721
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: Know, like yeah, yeah, oh look, it's this stuff. You know.

722
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: Maybe one day, by the way, for everyone who thinks,

723
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: oh he's lost it, yeah, well I've always felt like this,

724
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: and I've always I think a lot of you know that.

725
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: But at the same time, this doesn't mean i'd discount

726
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: the brain or the mind. I'm literally doing a PhD

727
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: in the mind. I love it. I'm fascinated with it all,

728
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: and I'm also well aware of placebos. I'm also well

729
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: aware that we can manufacture experiences without knowing it. I'm

730
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: well aware of that. But yeah, I just look, I

731
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: am fascinated with what there is to know, what there

732
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: is to experience, what there is to access beyond what

733
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: we think there is. And I think, you know, like

734
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: I think I'm a relatively educated person, and i'm I am.

735
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm not completely objective, of course, I don't think anyone

736
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: is completely objective, because everyone's individual experience is literally subjective.

737
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: But I'm a lot more open and willing to be wrong.

738
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: And which is why I say I don't say this

739
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: is how it is. I say this is how I

740
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: think it is. This is what I've experienced and everything

741
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: that when I tell you these things, these are actual,

742
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: literal events. These are not you know, we're not talking

743
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 1: about a vision I had or you know, these are

744
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 1: just things that happened. And you know, I think the

745
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: more that you like open the door to collaborate and

746
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: connect with and pay attention to your body. For example,

747
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: the grady your self awareness and self understanding develops like

748
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: you understanding you, you understanding what your body is saying

749
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: to your mind and your brain so that you can

750
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: go do something. And I think I think it's quite

751
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: the And again this, you know, probably will come in

752
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: for criticism, but I think it's arrogant to think that

753
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: the only knowledge and truth and wisdom is with humans

754
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: is like is just lives within the mind of us

755
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: Homo sapiens. We because what we do is we go

756
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 1: you know, Well that doesn't make sense, so that can't

757
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: be true. Well, how about that doesn't make sense meaning

758
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, meaning it doesn't fit within our

759
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: scientific box. That we've created for us all to live in.

760
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: But so did many things over the centuries, right, which

761
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: now in the box, they're out of the box, you know,

762
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: how about it doesn't make sense to me, But also

763
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: it could be true. I just think that's a better

764
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: paradigm because we all say, oh, yeah, I want to

765
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: be teachable, I want to be able to unlearn, I

766
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: want to be open minded. Yeah, but just don't contradict

767
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: what I already believe. Well, that is the opposite of

768
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: humility and awareness and open mindedness. That is the opposite.

769
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: But that is like my experience is that almost everyone

770
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: who says I'm open minded is not open minded because

771
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: they're scared. They're scared because they don't you know, when

772
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: you believe something like it's very even when I go,

773
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a God, Now that's just

774
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 1: the truth. Also, the truth is I believe in a God.

775
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 1: But believing in something is not the same as knowing something.

776
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: And this bothers people to this distinction. Well, literally, faith

777
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: is believing something you can't prove, Otherwise it wouldn't be

778
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: called faith. It to be called data, evidence, knowledge, science, whatever.

779
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: But even when we do think we know stuff, i e.

780
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: The food pyramid is the best way to eat. We

781
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: often find out the thing that we knew in inverted

782
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: commas was actually a flawed assumption or flawed knowledge, you know.

783
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: So this is the and you know, this is one

784
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: of my favorite conversations with you of all time. You know.

785
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 1: And I just think that, you know, these conversations where

786
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: we're not trying to we're just thinking out loud. We're

787
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: not trying to twist any arms, We're not trying to

788
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: shape any belief systems. We're just going, fuck, who knows,

789
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. And you know how many and I'm

790
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: not saying we're great, We're not great, But you know

791
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: how many people get on and they're trying to push

792
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: a certain agenda or idea or way and we're going, fuck,

793
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: we don't know, could be, this could be. But hey,

794
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: this is what happened to me. Hey, this is what

795
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: I used to think. This is what I think now. Hey,

796
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: I used to be a little bit of a zealous

797
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, I used to be a little bit of

798
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, living in the Jesus echo chamber, and I

799
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: was just too scared to even open the door to

800
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it wasn't that I became anti God

801
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: at all, clearly, It was just that there were there.

802
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: The stuff that I struggled with was not the God

803
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 1: stuff as much as the human stuff surrounding. Because every human,

804
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: even if they're a preacher, you know, or a rabbi

805
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: or a priest, or a pastor or a nun or whatever,

806
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: every human, every one of them, is still a human

807
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: with all their own bullshit. You think that because someone's

808
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: a pastor, that they never tell a lie, that they

809
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: never have the ego, that they never manipulate people, that

810
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: they never fucking embrace the power that they don't of

811
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 1: course they do. That's not because they're bad, because they're human.

812
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: We have to stop putting people up on altars and

813
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: worshiping humans, for God's sake, stop worshiping people you know nobody.

814
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: There are people that are really good at stuff, and

815
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: they have hot, big brands and you know, high profiles,

816
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: and good on them, good on them, but they ain't

817
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: any better than any of you listening to this. And

818
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that as a feel good kind of

819
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: fucking you know vibe. They're not. And the problem is

820
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: we live in a culture where people think they are

821
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,959
Speaker 1: They're prettier, they're smarter, they earn more dough, they're better.

822
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: They're not better. They're not better. And that's part of

823
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 1: the problem, is that we compare ourselves to people, and

824
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, we it's a real challenge to be able

825
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: to go, who am I beyond what I think and

826
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,479
Speaker 1: what I believe and you know, these things that I've

827
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: held on to through gritted teeth for so long. And

828
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: when I do an inventory on my beliefs and ideas

829
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: and my thinking and the consequences of all of that

830
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: over the last ten twenty years, oh, maybe I need

831
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: to revisit what I think and what I believe and why.

832
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: When we had a recent conversation with I think it

833
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 2: was with doctor Jody, you mentioned sometimes you feel like

834
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: you haven't achieved enough. Yes, what's the context of that.

835
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just I feel like, firstly, I'm very grateful

836
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: for my life, right I don't I don't.

837
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: Have spiritual enough? Or is that it is that it

838
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: is that a human enough? Or is that more on

839
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: the conversation we're having now, Yeah, No, I.

840
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: Guess, I guess actually in both ways. But like, while

841
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: I look back and I remember, I clearly remember how

842
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: I felt and who I was, you know, as you know,

843
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: a very mediocre teenager growing up in the country. At

844
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: least I thought I was an I probably still think

845
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: I was quite mediocre. I don't think I was a

846
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: bad kid. I think I was a good kid. But

847
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: in one way, I look at what I've done and

848
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: some of the things I've achieved, and I'm proud without

849
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: being arrogant, but I also think I could do more

850
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: like I have this and even as I get older.

851
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: The this is going to sound arrogant, but I'm going.

852
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 2: To say it.

853
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: I feel like my purpose is to help as many

854
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: people as I can realize, and by realize I mean

855
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: understand their potential, but also realize means to put interaction

856
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: and to operationalize their own potential. I feel like and

857
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: to support people, and I feel like that's what I

858
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: meant to do, and I feel like I'm meant to

859
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 1: be a version of love to others. You know, on Friday,

860
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: when I did this gig, one of the guys who

861
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: owns I won't say, I won't embarrass anyone, but he

862
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: got up and he was saying something about me. In

863
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: the day. He's one of the bosses. And he's a sweetheart,

864
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: and he was up in front of the group and

865
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: you know, he started crying. This is a boss at

866
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: work in front of everyone, standing next to me and

867
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: in front of everyone. I gave him a hug, right,

868
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: And it's when we get past the bullshit and we

869
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: go I'm a man, I'm in front of my team,

870
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yes, mate, you can cry, one hundred percent.

871
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: You can cry. This is not you being weak or

872
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: bad or broken or inferior. This is you being fucking

873
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: real and and it's so admirable. Right. So yeah, I

874
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: just think that my purpose is to help people understand

875
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: or find theirs, not guided by me, but you know,

876
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: supported by me, whatever that is. And I don't think

877
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: i've done that well enough. I think I've done it, Okay,

878
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 1: I want to do more of it. And if there's

879
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: a God, if God said to me, for the rest

880
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 1: of your life, I will bring audiences to you. But

881
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: you've got to live in next to poverty. I would

882
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: say I'm in next door to poverty. I'm in because

883
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in you know, I like a normal human,

884
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm interested in money, but I'm not driven by money

885
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: at all. And I think you know that it's like

886
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't give a fuck about what people

887
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 1: think of my financial situation or you know. And it's

888
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: not that I don't care at all about money, of

889
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,720
Speaker 1: course I do. But for me, money is a resource.

890
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would rather And I've said this before,

891
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: if you say, Harps, you can talk to ten thousand

892
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: people tonight at Votaphone Arena or fifty people across the

893
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: road for ten grand I'm going Votaphone Arena every time,

894
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: even if there's no coverage, even if there's no social media,

895
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: even if no one knows about it except the ten

896
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: thousand people, even if I get zero accolades that I'm

897
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:28,959
Speaker 1: in there, you know. So I think because I had

898
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: moderate success when I was in my early thirties, and

899
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: I had more stuff than I ever thought i'd have,

900
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, multiple houses, cars, all that shit. In the

901
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: middle of all of the stuff that I had, it's

902
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: like I had this. It's like almost God went, okay,

903
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: so you got all the stuff, Now what do you know?

904
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: And I go, it's not about the stuff. It's not

905
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: about the stuff. Stuff's good. But yeah, so for me,

906
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: that that and also being you know, like I think

907
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: also to you know, you don't want to beat yourself

908
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: up constantly, you know, and go I'm shit. And I

909
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: have a tendency to do that, but I need to

910
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: rain that in a little bit. But yeah, I think

911
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: being of service, being of value and building that love

912
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: bank balance, and that spiritual bank balance, and that kindness

913
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: bank balance, and even if it doesn't come back, even

914
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: if it doesn't come back, you know, you just like

915
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: the New Testament. There's a scripture which a shamedly I

916
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: can't quote, right. I know the scripture, I can't remember

917
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: where it's from, but it says when you give, like

918
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: in other words, when you're giving to Jesus was in

919
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: the temple and he was talking to the Pharisees and

920
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: Sadducees and people that like some of the religious, because

921
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: what the religious would do back in the day in

922
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: the temples, would they were some of them would come

923
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: in with like a big treasure chest of gold and

924
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: go look at me, look at me, right, And it

925
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: wasn't really about making a sacrifice to God. It was

926
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: really about getting social brownie points and all of that.

927
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: And he said, when you give given secret he said,

928
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: don't let your left hand, know what your right hand's doing.

929
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: And he pointed out this old lady that was up

930
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: the front of the synagogue and she had one gold

931
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: coin and that was all of her wealth in the world,

932
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: So that was one hundred percent of her wealth. And

933
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: he knew that, and he said, basically, that's that lady.

934
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: Is that lady's truly giving, Like she's given the most

935
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: of anyone today, you know, because she gave one hundred

936
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: percent of what she had to give, you know. So

937
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I've gotten back up on the pulpit.

938
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: I apologize everyone.

939
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: One last god question and then you can wrap it up.

940
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 2: Do you have how do you perceive personally if you

941
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: want to share, or how do you interpret other gods

942
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: of other religions? Are they an interpretation of the same.

943
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: Oh that's all so really smart. Yeah, look, yeah, that

944
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: is a good question. So, you know, like the God

945
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: of the Jews, which is the god of the Old Testament.

946
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: Jews don't believe that the New Testament is. I think

947
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: they think it's, you know, a religious text that's interesting maybe,

948
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: but they don't they don't use it as a theological text.

949
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 1: They don't believe. I think I don't believe. They think

950
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: it's inspired by God or it's the word of God.

951
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: Of course, Muslims call God Allah, you know, Christians in

952
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: the in the Hebrew God is Yahweh or Hashem, and

953
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: you know, so that is a question I can't answer.

954
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: But what I think is on some level, most of

955
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: us are talking about the same dude, right, And you know,

956
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: as for Christians, Christians religions that believe in multiple gods,

957
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. But again that's just what I

958
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: believe and don't believe. I don't believe that. But that's like,

959
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: like I've said, who knows, one day I might find out, Hey,

960
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: that right, you were wrong, and I'll go my hands

961
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: in the air emoji fuck who knew? You know? You know,

962
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: It's like I don't know, I don't know, but you know,

963
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: so in terms of all of that, I like, what

964
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: do I hope out of this conversation? I don't know.

965
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: I just I hope that even if people just question,

966
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: that maybe there is more than we think, and maybe

967
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: what we understand is just what we understand, it's not

968
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: what there is to be understood, you know, and that

969
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: that having thoughts or beliefs or values or not values, thoughts, beliefs, ideas, ideologies,

970
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: theologies that you have embraced that could be a bit

971
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: wrong or a lot wrong. Is okay? Is okay? It

972
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: is uncomfortable, but it is okay. You know so. And

973
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: there are things within Christian doctrine that you know, I

974
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: question and I go, oh, that's that's hard for me.

975
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I actually don't. It's

976
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: not like, well my opinion on that is. I go,

977
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. I don't know, you know, And

978
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: but it's it's I do know that when I open

979
01:01:53,880 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: myself up to uh be directed or in or I

980
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: don't know, spoken to for one of a better word,

981
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: I know that generally it happens. And sometimes, honestly, sometimes

982
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: I just pull the curtain down and put the you know,

983
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: closed sign on the door, and I shut myself down

984
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: from God. You know, I'm like, don't want to hear,

985
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: don't want to hear, don't want to hear because I

986
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to be told and I don't

987
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: want to deal with it. Yeah, so I'm selfish. Yeah,

988
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:25,959
Speaker 1: for sure.

989
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 2: Next time you're having a chat to him, can you

990
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 2: just tell him to ease up on the whole cat

991
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: stuff and just come and have a chat with me.

992
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm cre it is, but don't ask me. Ask him

993
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: like one if he's real. If he's real, don't be scared.

994
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: You know. There is a scripture that says fear God.

995
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: It's one of the shortest scriptures in the Bible. Another

996
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: one is Jesus wept. It's like these two word scriptures. Anyway,

997
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: what did I I this scripture? I was thinking about

998
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: this morning. It is they use this a lot with

999
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: people who I don't like war, by the way, but

1000
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: soldiers that go to fight for their country. At their

1001
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: funerals they often have this scription. It's is Sire six eight,

1002
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: which is from the Old Testament, and it says, M

1003
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: and the Lord said who will I send? Who will go?

1004
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: And I said, I am here, I will go. You know,

1005
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, And when I hear that, I'm like,

1006
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: because sometimes the things that God wants you to do,

1007
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: if there's a God, they are not the things you

1008
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: want to do. Like you don't want to put yourself

1009
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 1: in the middle of shits or chaos or pain or uncertainty.

1010
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: But I just think that not indifferent to you know,

1011
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: just developing resilience. You know, that's sometimes opening that door

1012
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to you. Sometimes eventually it makes the

1013
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: most sense, the most sense. It goes from making no

1014
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,919
Speaker 1: sense to all the sense. You know, Wow, I did

1015
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: not expect this conversation tonight, and I don't think we're

1016
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 1: going to put it up TIV.

1017
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: Bullshit. No, I loved it. This is my favorite. I mean,

1018
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about bloody dead lifts and shit again.

1019
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, wow, there we go. God took, God hijacked

1020
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 1: the program. God went a yeah, God went, well, you

1021
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: think you're talking about all that superficial. I was going

1022
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: to swear then, but I'm pretty sure God doesn't swear.

1023
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: But anyway, the show that God hijacked, that's great. All right, everyone,

1024
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: love your gats's love you, and you know, let us

1025
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: know what you think. By the way, if you hated it,

1026
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: that's okay, let us know. Go I hated it, go

1027
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: to the new project facebook page. Or if you liked it,

1028
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: or you found it interesting or helpful or unhelpful, whatever

1029
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: you found it, that's okay. That's okay. Say goodbye a

1030
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: fair but TIF thanks Amen hearts, Oh sister, loving the

1031
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: Lord's wrung I don't want to be raped. Yeah,