WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 23 September 0:00:02.690 --> 0:00:07.920 This is Paul Murray Live. Thank you, Shari. I'll well 0:00:07.940 --> 0:00:11.000 and truly take that. Thank you very much for watching tonight. 0:00:11.020 --> 0:00:12.820 We've got a very big one ahead here. In the 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.720 man cave tonight, the leader of the most popular political 0:00:15.740 --> 0:00:19.070 party in the country, Pauline Hanson, in the man cave tonight. 0:00:19.430 --> 0:00:21.270 The great Megan Kelly joins us to discuss a whole 0:00:21.290 --> 0:00:25.290 bunch of matters, everything from Prince Harry... to CNN getting 0:00:25.329 --> 0:00:28.170 brand-new owners. The wokeness may well be ending, the great 0:00:28.190 --> 0:00:30.070 Megyn Kelly. And, as always, I've got to show you 0:00:30.150 --> 0:00:32.110 what they did while you were working, the idiots on 0:00:32.270 --> 0:00:35.349 social media. Now, we're at a busy show, apart from 0:00:35.370 --> 0:00:37.690 just our conversation with Pauline, normal debate, all the rest 0:00:37.729 --> 0:00:40.670 of it. And just before we were deciding what we 0:00:40.700 --> 0:00:42.919 were going to lead the show with, the Australian newspaper 0:00:42.979 --> 0:00:46.839 has dropped quite a breaking story. This is all to 0:00:46.860 --> 0:00:49.379 do with social media and the social media ban that 0:00:49.460 --> 0:00:51.879 the Prime Minister is trying to shove through the parliament... 0:00:51.860 --> 0:00:54.980 that supposedly they will get the help of the Greens 0:00:55.020 --> 0:00:58.880 to get through. But remember, we've all been told that 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:01.660 it's all about one thing and one thing only. 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:07.100 Protecting Australians from illegal material and protecting children from harm 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.619 should be a bipartisan priority. The draft digital duty of 0:01:10.670 --> 0:01:13.030 care is the next logical step in our battle to 0:01:13.069 --> 0:01:14.550 keep our kids safe online. 0:01:14.670 --> 0:01:18.410 And we'll require digital platforms to document the measures taken 0:01:18.930 --> 0:01:22.690 to address harm to Australian users. Now, despite the fact 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.990 that kids are already banned from the system, we've gone 0:01:26.010 --> 0:01:28.010 through in chapter and verse what all of this plan is, 0:01:28.230 --> 0:01:30.910 but the government is absolutely clear that even though the 0:01:30.930 --> 0:01:33.130 minister has a big red button to be able to 0:01:33.170 --> 0:01:37.110 ban whatever she considers to be harmful, no definitions as 0:01:37.130 --> 0:01:39.880 to what that is, just you have to trust the minister, 0:01:39.890 --> 0:01:42.700 we are told over and over again nothing to do 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:48.180 with censorship. It's not about censorship. It's about giving people control. 0:01:48.220 --> 0:01:51.840 What did these leading national organisations hear today from the 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:52.820 Leader of the Opposition? 0:01:53.980 --> 0:01:54.310 No. 0:01:55.190 --> 0:01:56.410 No to your pleas. 0:01:57.170 --> 0:01:59.210 And what did these leading national organisations hear? 0:01:59.230 --> 0:01:59.930 They heard no. 0:02:01.170 --> 0:02:04.170 They heard no and they heard a strawman argument about 0:02:04.220 --> 0:02:05.360 political censorship. 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.630 OK, well, Prime Minister... is currently in New York. He 0:02:09.730 --> 0:02:13.510 is in part discussing Australia's attitude when it comes to 0:02:13.550 --> 0:02:17.670 big tech and this latest supposed saving of everyone from 0:02:17.710 --> 0:02:21.310 the evils of the internet. I say that we rearrange 0:02:21.350 --> 0:02:23.460 the order of this evening's program because this is the 0:02:23.500 --> 0:02:25.880 lead story on the Australian's website right now. They've got 0:02:25.900 --> 0:02:29.240 a reporter there and guess what? Albo said the quiet 0:02:29.260 --> 0:02:32.290 bit out loud. that the digital duty of care is 0:02:32.310 --> 0:02:37.770 to address polarisation misinformation. Remember the laws they tried to 0:02:37.810 --> 0:02:40.130 pass through the parliament that got rejected by even the Greens, 0:02:40.169 --> 0:02:45.320 which were the misinformation laws? Quote, Anthony Albanese has cited 0:02:45.340 --> 0:02:50.080 the rise of misinformation and disinformation to justify Labor's proposed 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:56.220 digital safety regime. Departing for the government's previous insistence that 0:02:56.260 --> 0:02:59.760 the laws are strictly aimed at bolstering online protections and 0:02:59.940 --> 0:03:03.410 user empowerment. Speaking on the sidelines of the UN General 0:03:03.470 --> 0:03:05.830 Assembly in between selfies with the Prime Minister. 0:03:06.190 --> 0:03:06.470 P.S. 0:03:06.490 --> 0:03:08.470 Can we all stop the selfie thing when you're the 0:03:08.510 --> 0:03:12.570 leader of the country? Anyway. He described Labor's proposed digital 0:03:12.669 --> 0:03:15.790 duty of care as, quote, a very positive move in 0:03:15.870 --> 0:03:21.890 response to political polarisation. Speaking at an event which was 0:03:21.930 --> 0:03:24.830 hosted by the Coalition for Children's Rights and Protection in 0:03:24.850 --> 0:03:27.329 the Age of AI, hosted at the UN headquarters in 0:03:27.370 --> 0:03:31.710 New York, Mr Albanese pushed back against the criticism, insisting 0:03:31.930 --> 0:03:34.960 the measures were, quote, the opposite of government control. It's 0:03:34.980 --> 0:03:38.740 about giving everyone control over their own lives. But then 0:03:38.860 --> 0:03:43.620 he proceeded to tie the reforms to misinformation, disinformation and 0:03:43.660 --> 0:03:49.300 increased polarisation, saying digital services were having an impact on... 0:03:49.770 --> 0:03:52.470 our entire society and how it functions. I've got one 0:03:52.490 --> 0:03:55.770 more quote here. People are moving away from the centre 0:03:56.290 --> 0:03:59.250 and more and more to the extremes, be they left 0:03:59.430 --> 0:04:04.160 or right. And that is why we think this is 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:09.300 a very positive move that we are putting forward. Okay. Now, 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:11.560 no doubt we will be told that we have taken 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.910 something out of context, that the reporter didn't hear anything. 0:04:14.220 --> 0:04:17.220 I'm going off the reporting that's come via The Australian 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.850 and what's happening in New York. But let's make it 0:04:20.930 --> 0:04:24.589 very clear. On this channel, on our air, with my 0:04:24.630 --> 0:04:28.390 colleague and dear friend Laura Jays, the communications minister, well, 0:04:28.770 --> 0:04:33.370 had a completely different justification for the laws. Remember, I've 0:04:33.390 --> 0:04:34.750 been willing to give them a bit of slack on 0:04:34.790 --> 0:04:38.690 the concept that these laws are simply about opting out 0:04:38.830 --> 0:04:42.270 of the algorithm. Of course, the big red button that 0:04:42.290 --> 0:04:45.370 the minister, the just trust me powers of the minister, 0:04:45.730 --> 0:04:48.170 are now being invoked by the Prime Minister, I repeat, 0:04:48.290 --> 0:04:53.210 about misinformation. Is he belling the cat? Did he misspeak? 0:04:53.570 --> 0:04:54.969 I think we all know what they'll try to do 0:04:54.990 --> 0:04:57.600 in the next 24 hours. But a reminder about what 0:04:57.630 --> 0:04:58.450 the Minister had said. 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.240 No, this isn't about misinformation. 0:05:01.260 --> 0:05:05.060 This is about basic safety standards that Australians should expect 0:05:05.100 --> 0:05:07.960 from an industry that is selling them and their children products. 0:05:09.610 --> 0:05:12.870 It's not about misinformation, says the Minister. It is about misinformation, 0:05:12.910 --> 0:05:18.150 says the Prime Minister. Which one do you believe? Now, 0:05:18.390 --> 0:05:23.360 what do two federal treasurers and an economist have in common? Well, 0:05:23.420 --> 0:05:25.180 apart from the fact that I'm sure they're wonderful at 0:05:25.500 --> 0:05:28.420 dinner party, they all have a view when it comes 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.090 to debt. Now, as you know, Australia, one T for 0:05:32.210 --> 0:05:34.930 trillion dollars in debt that we are in right now. 0:05:35.250 --> 0:05:39.180 The Conversation, which is the website linked to... lots of universities, 0:05:39.220 --> 0:05:42.380 their sort of news service. They provided a helpful little 0:05:42.420 --> 0:05:46.250 graph and they decided to colour it in colours of 0:05:46.570 --> 0:05:48.390 red for the Labor Party, blue for the Liberal Party, 0:05:48.450 --> 0:05:50.370 red for the Labor Party, blue for the Liberal Party, 0:05:50.550 --> 0:05:53.270 red for the Labor Party, making it seem like, you know, Labor, 0:05:53.290 --> 0:05:54.950 like the end bit, it's not that bad. We're now 0:05:55.050 --> 0:05:59.850 at 1.1T for trillion dollars. Now, of course, remember the 0:05:59.870 --> 0:06:03.239 very reason why so much went up under the blue 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.000 team was because when Joe Hockey was hired to be 0:06:07.020 --> 0:06:09.520 the treasurer of this country as part of the Abbott 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.340 government in 2013, it was about doing something about debt 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.980 and deficit. It was about doing something about an unbalanced budget. 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:22.460 It was about doing something about forever national deficits. But 0:06:22.500 --> 0:06:26.260 remember what the reaction was? Of course, Labor and the 0:06:26.339 --> 0:06:30.380 internal enemies, they went nuts because any attempt to actually 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.960 change the government off the gorging of spending, well, we 0:06:34.980 --> 0:06:37.560 all know where that went. The result was that we 0:06:37.580 --> 0:06:41.580 created a politics that exists to this day, to this day. 0:06:43.380 --> 0:06:46.440 that if you do anything other than grow government spending, 0:06:46.460 --> 0:06:49.320 then somehow you are hurting the poorest amongst us. And 0:06:49.339 --> 0:06:52.170 just a reminder, by the way, while it was Labor 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.170 and the internal critics of the then government, chiefly the 0:06:56.230 --> 0:06:59.510 ghost who, of course, became Prime Minister. Did I say that? Well, 0:07:00.610 --> 0:07:03.650 it wasn't the only example of the Labor Party not 0:07:03.690 --> 0:07:06.210 doing its bit to help fix the problem, the problem 0:07:06.470 --> 0:07:09.670 that the government at the time was overtly hired for. 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.400 Because remember, during the pandemic, yes, there is that big 0:07:13.500 --> 0:07:17.320 spike in debt. Well, of course, that's because hundreds of 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.040 thousands of people are literally only in employment now because 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:26.060 of JobKeeper and that was a vital program, right? But remember, 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.830 the Labor Party wanted that debt to be even bigger. 0:07:28.850 --> 0:07:32.790 They wanted $ 1. 5 billion to go to an airline. At 0:07:32.850 --> 0:07:35.989 one point, they were even talking about purchasing the airline 0:07:36.030 --> 0:07:37.970 when it was up on the blocks and in a 0:07:38.010 --> 0:07:41.490 world of trouble. Don't forget as well, they went nuts 0:07:41.570 --> 0:07:46.200 about any suggestion that pandemic welfare should be winding up. 0:07:48.820 --> 0:07:51.260 So again, we now sit in this world of politics that. 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:56.040 Exists to this day, that anyone who wants to even 0:07:56.460 --> 0:08:00.370 begin a conversation about balancing the books without raising taxes 0:08:00.390 --> 0:08:02.620 is And, of course, that means there's only two options. 0:08:03.020 --> 0:08:07.020 You increase the revenue or you have to reduce the spending. Or, as, 0:08:07.060 --> 0:08:09.520 of course, it is endlessly said by the Labor Party, 0:08:09.820 --> 0:08:13.670 and remember the game that you are even apparently responsible 0:08:13.730 --> 0:08:16.950 for the forever money promises that they make five or 0:08:17.010 --> 0:08:19.430 ten years down the track. What's the word that they 0:08:19.470 --> 0:08:25.250 have been able to very successfully use since 2014? Cuts. Cuts. Cuts. 0:08:25.370 --> 0:08:25.610 Cuts. 0:08:25.670 --> 0:08:25.870 Cuts. 0:08:25.990 --> 0:08:27.190 Cuts. Cuts. Cuts. 0:08:27.250 --> 0:08:27.770 Cuts. Cuts. 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.380 Now, the problem of this politics is that it means 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:39.650 that we are in forever deficit. Again, Australia isn't a business, 0:08:39.670 --> 0:08:41.150 but if it was run as a business and you 0:08:41.190 --> 0:08:42.580 were telling people you're going to lose money for the 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.600 next 40 years, what do you think would happen? The 0:08:45.620 --> 0:08:49.530 Intergenerational Report has shown... for the entirety of this government, 0:08:49.850 --> 0:08:53.710 that every single year between now and, well, not quite 0:08:53.730 --> 0:08:55.689 the end of time, but certainly, what, the best part 0:08:55.730 --> 0:08:58.750 of 40 years away, we will be having a deficit. 0:08:58.990 --> 0:09:01.430 The deficit means every single year it's added to the 0:09:01.470 --> 0:09:09.960 previous debt, which means $ 1 trillion will one day become 1.2, 1.5. Now, 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.699 I mention all of this again tonight because I want 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:17.030 to show you something that is frightening, which is... The 0:09:17.070 --> 0:09:20.990 problem with debt is that while lefties think no one 0:09:21.030 --> 0:09:24.870 will ever call it in, there's still a minimum monthly repayment, 0:09:24.890 --> 0:09:28.620 like on a credit card, right? This could be monthly, quarterly, annual, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.839 however they work these things out. Did you know right now, 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.260 right now with just a T for trillion dollars, before 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.340 the next 40 years of deficits that take it to 0:09:39.660 --> 0:09:41.980 one and a half, push it towards two T for 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:48.319 trillion dollars... that according to this work done by the 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:55.430 Parliamentary Budget Office, Defence $ 61 billion, Medicare $ 50 billion, interest 0:09:55.590 --> 0:09:58.609 on debt, that's the red line, third down, $ 42 billion. 0:10:01.450 --> 0:10:08.910 The PBS, the pharmaceutical benefits scheme, $ 24 billion. That's the problem. 0:10:09.150 --> 0:10:12.720 That has been my whole point the whole time, is 0:10:12.740 --> 0:10:16.160 that if you just forever spend and you scare the 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.320 bejesus out of anyone and everyone who says, okay, we've 0:10:19.340 --> 0:10:21.530 got to find a way to somehow bring this bring 0:10:21.570 --> 0:10:25.750 this plane back down, well, then the politics has played 0:10:25.770 --> 0:10:29.400 the way that it currently is. And if you end 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.300 up with a massive debt, then the cost of paying 0:10:31.340 --> 0:10:34.980 off that debt becomes the single biggest thing the government does, 0:10:35.059 --> 0:10:38.260 meaning people go to work to pay tax just to 0:10:38.330 --> 0:10:41.469 pay the interest bill on the debt, not even to 0:10:41.510 --> 0:10:43.689 pay it off. Now, that would be crook if it 0:10:43.730 --> 0:10:46.710 is your lifestyle. Imagine that as a way of organising 0:10:46.910 --> 0:10:52.390 a freaking country. There's more to this story. In fact, today, 0:10:54.450 --> 0:10:59.810 Jim Chalmers on a podcast was starting to notice that 0:10:59.910 --> 0:11:02.230 interest rates, because when they go up here, they go 0:11:02.250 --> 0:11:04.500 up all the way around the world as well, and 0:11:04.620 --> 0:11:07.000 interest rates are starting to rise, which means just like 0:11:07.100 --> 0:11:09.839 you paying off your house and the interest rates going 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:14.400 up 15 times since this mob came to power, the 0:11:14.580 --> 0:11:18.809 interest bill on the debt will rise again. in the 0:11:18.850 --> 0:11:22.090 next couple of years, meaning, have a look at this. 0:11:22.770 --> 0:11:25.690 This is the Treasurer talking about that today. 0:11:26.670 --> 0:11:30.670 The big problematic influence on the mid-year update is, at 0:11:30.690 --> 0:11:35.439 this stage, likely to be billions of dollars extra to 0:11:35.540 --> 0:11:36.840 service our borrowing costs. 0:11:38.580 --> 0:11:43.820 Ding, ding, ding. Paying attention, Australia? Paying attention. Buy now, 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:47.800 pay later is not a strategy for your own life, 0:11:47.860 --> 0:11:51.730 let alone running a country. We spend more money today 0:11:52.290 --> 0:11:56.170 servicing debt than paying for the medications that keep people 0:11:56.230 --> 0:12:00.770 alive because they're discounted by the taxpayer. That number that 0:12:00.790 --> 0:12:02.090 we currently pay is $ 42 billion. 0:12:02.130 --> 0:12:02.370 Treasury. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:10.660 has proposed, projected, sorry, that it'll go up by 8.8% annually, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.440 so the best part of 10% every year for the 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.730 next 10 years. While we continue to run a deficit 0:12:16.770 --> 0:12:19.390 for 10 years, we add to the debt for 10 years. 0:12:20.630 --> 0:12:23.349 And this government knows that somebody else is going to 0:12:23.390 --> 0:12:25.390 have to pay for it. Now, their attitude when it 0:12:25.429 --> 0:12:27.110 comes to climate change is we've got to do something 0:12:27.130 --> 0:12:28.869 now because we don't want the kids to have to 0:12:28.929 --> 0:12:31.870 pay for it. But when it comes to the finances 0:12:32.010 --> 0:12:34.959 of the country, bugger it, let's just get re-elected. 0:12:37.110 --> 0:12:37.329 A $ 7. 0:12:37.170 --> 0:12:39.209 2 billion announcement today. $ 5 million. $ 10 million. 0:12:39.210 --> 0:12:39.670 $ 200 million. 0:12:39.670 --> 0:12:40.390 $ 3 billion. 0:12:40.390 --> 0:12:40.950 $ 350 million. 0:12:40.950 --> 0:12:41.530 $ 2 billion. $ 37 million. 0:12:41.530 --> 0:12:41.930 $ 842 million. 0:12:41.929 --> 0:12:42.059 $ 2. 0:12:41.929 --> 0:12:42.290 4 billion. 0:12:42.290 --> 0:12:42.420 $ 8. 0:12:42.290 --> 0:12:42.970 5 billion. $ 4. 8 billion. 0:12:42.970 --> 0:12:43.470 $ 1 billion. 0:12:43.470 --> 0:12:43.600 $ 3. 0:12:43.470 --> 0:12:45.330 4 billion. $ 2. 8 billion. $ 200 million. And that was just 0:12:45.410 --> 0:13:09.400 one election campaign. let alone the inevitable one that's coming up, 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.540 let alone the one that was there before that. Now, 0:13:12.620 --> 0:13:16.170 I mentioned it was two treasurers and an economist. We've 0:13:16.190 --> 0:13:19.510 dealt with one treasurer, the current passenger of the Australian economy, 0:13:19.570 --> 0:13:21.209 and if he ever touches the wheel, he sends it 0:13:21.250 --> 0:13:23.970 in the wrong direction. But I now want to talk 0:13:23.990 --> 0:13:26.170 about Chris Richardson. He's the bloke who is very well 0:13:26.220 --> 0:13:29.160 known as the chief sort of commentator, very available to 0:13:29.179 --> 0:13:32.320 the media, and he has now said it is time 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.600 to end this politics of handouts because of exactly what 0:13:36.620 --> 0:13:39.800 I'm talking about here. the long-term consequences of running up 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.060 the credit card bill. It's boring, it's eat your vegetables, 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:46.900 but fair dinkum, this stuff matters. Talk about a tipping point. 0:13:46.940 --> 0:13:49.710 Richardson said the party is over when it comes to 0:13:49.750 --> 0:13:52.790 governments in the populist era using cheap debt to fund 0:13:52.870 --> 0:13:57.410 handouts to increasingly grumpy voters. We are seeing a shift 0:13:57.570 --> 0:14:00.030 now in the normal cost of money. This is because 0:14:00.580 --> 0:14:04.370 in America they owe $ 40 trillion. But the thing about 0:14:04.390 --> 0:14:07.140 the new normal is that it's the old normal. The 0:14:07.179 --> 0:14:11.120 last 20 years has been unusual. Can we go back 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.360 to that debt graph that shows us how things have 0:14:13.380 --> 0:14:15.620 gone red, blue, red, blue over the years? What's he 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.390 talking about about the past 20 years? Governments that have 0:14:19.790 --> 0:14:23.410 put the foot down on spending because the political environment 0:14:23.450 --> 0:14:29.530 does not allow anything other than. two treasurers and an economist. 0:14:29.570 --> 0:14:31.910 We've done one treasurer, we've done an economist. Let's talk 0:14:32.350 --> 0:14:35.910 about another treasurer, my mate Joe Hockey. He had a 0:14:35.930 --> 0:14:39.380 great conversation with Laura Jays a couple of days ago 0:14:39.420 --> 0:14:42.080 here on News 24. And it is a little bit 0:14:42.100 --> 0:14:44.420 of a reminder about how far the country has drifted 0:14:44.540 --> 0:14:46.940 from the time when he and the Abbott government was 0:14:47.100 --> 0:14:51.109 hired to fix a problem that was a fraction of 0:14:51.150 --> 0:14:55.010 the problem that it is today. He also appeared on 0:14:55.030 --> 0:14:58.470 the ABC where he as a man not seeking re-election 0:14:58.510 --> 0:15:01.410 to office, to remind us all that how we feel 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:04.560 about debt, deficit and the consequence for the next generation 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.260 is how people should be thinking. He was asked a 0:15:09.580 --> 0:15:13.640 phenomenal question. And can you imagine the people, if they 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.240 were actually paying attention in the control room over there, 0:15:16.580 --> 0:15:18.960 they would have been spitting out their chips. 0:15:21.260 --> 0:15:26.060 Do you believe meaningful fiscal reform can happen in Australia 0:15:26.620 --> 0:15:28.800 when it costs people something? 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:30.380 No. 0:15:31.540 --> 0:15:31.760 No. 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.690 There's going to have to be a crisis now. There's 0:15:34.710 --> 0:15:38.730 going to have to be a financial crisis and people 0:15:38.810 --> 0:15:41.710 will only take the medicine when they, you know, feel 0:15:41.770 --> 0:15:44.650 really ill about it. And I think this is coming 0:15:44.690 --> 0:15:46.410 right across the world. I mean, we are now on 0:15:46.450 --> 0:15:52.150 the threshold of income tax, which is the biggest source 0:15:52.190 --> 0:15:56.110 of revenue for government. Income tax is being exceeded by welfare. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.390 The problem is governments have no restraint when it comes 0:16:00.430 --> 0:16:01.090 to expenditure. 0:16:02.710 --> 0:16:05.369 That's the point. We must do everything to fix the 0:16:05.410 --> 0:16:08.120 planet because someone think of the children. We've got to 0:16:08.140 --> 0:16:10.720 do something about the out-of-control spending because can someone think 0:16:10.740 --> 0:16:14.070 of the vacant children? Now, I know in Leftyland, their idea, 0:16:14.110 --> 0:16:16.490 modern monetary theory, nobody will ever call it in, but 0:16:16.530 --> 0:16:18.590 you still have to pay off the interest, and the 0:16:18.630 --> 0:16:20.810 interest is now more than we spend on the pharmaceutical 0:16:21.210 --> 0:16:25.290 benefits scheme. And because of interest rates rising, because all 0:16:25.310 --> 0:16:29.470 of these countries keep running up debt, including, yes, the 0:16:29.510 --> 0:16:32.730 United States, but well and truly Australia, the interest rate 0:16:32.770 --> 0:16:35.210 bill on $ 1 trillion goes up while we promise to 0:16:35.250 --> 0:16:38.430 have deficits for the next 40 years, making $ 1 trillion. 0:16:38.100 --> 0:16:38.360 $ 2 trillion. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:44.650 This matters. It truly does. And Joe Hockey predicted that, 0:16:44.690 --> 0:16:47.870 as you just heard there, income tax, the vast amount 0:16:47.890 --> 0:16:49.750 of money that the government gets, more than anything else 0:16:49.790 --> 0:16:53.650 comes from people pay as you go, right? Those people 0:16:53.670 --> 0:16:57.210 will now just be paying for welfare. That's it. So 0:16:57.490 --> 0:17:00.310 how else will the government fund itself? A prediction into 0:17:00.330 --> 0:17:03.490 the future from Joe Hockey. I thought this was frightening, 0:17:03.590 --> 0:17:04.360 but probable. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.020 They're going to look at other areas of tax. And inevitably, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.040 that comes to capital. Rather than income, they'll be taxing capital. 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.220 And you can see the day when governments will start 0:17:16.270 --> 0:17:19.969 to look at death taxes and taxes on the family 0:17:20.030 --> 0:17:22.690 home because they're running out of money because they're spending 0:17:22.710 --> 0:17:23.070 too much. 0:17:25.090 --> 0:17:27.869 Two things I liked about Donald Trump at the United 0:17:27.930 --> 0:17:33.489 Nations today. The first was he's absolutely clear about his 0:17:33.530 --> 0:17:36.149 agenda of stopping Iran having a nuclear bomb. 0:17:36.540 --> 0:17:36.730 Now. 0:17:37.369 --> 0:17:40.470 The political consequences of the war is going to virtually 0:17:40.550 --> 0:17:45.500 decimate the Republicans in their control of two-thirds of the 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.639 American government. He's going to lose the Senate. He'll probably... Sorry, 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:51.280 he's going to lose the House. He's probably going to 0:17:51.300 --> 0:17:54.420 lose the Senate. That's a giant handbrake. But he looked 0:17:54.460 --> 0:17:57.440 the world in the eye and said, I don't care today. 0:17:58.770 --> 0:18:03.110 I gave absolutely no credence and will not give credence 0:18:03.170 --> 0:18:06.050 to the election when it comes to Iran. 0:18:06.990 --> 0:18:11.159 It doesn't even enter my mind. Then there was the 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.140 whole AI thing, which apparently now is SI. 0:18:15.220 --> 0:18:17.670 The very same people who said we'll all be dead 0:18:17.750 --> 0:18:21.510 in 12 years because of global warming, a name since 0:18:21.590 --> 0:18:25.070 reborn to climate change because the planet was cooling, not warming, 0:18:25.690 --> 0:18:29.030 and nobody was dead. These are the same people that 0:18:29.090 --> 0:18:31.510 are now saying that AI is going to kill us all, 0:18:31.570 --> 0:18:34.650 that robots are going to attack us, and that everything 0:18:34.710 --> 0:18:35.370 is going to be. 0:18:35.310 --> 0:18:37.210 A total disaster. Same group of people. 0:18:37.850 --> 0:18:41.490 From this point forward, all of United States documents, and 0:18:41.540 --> 0:18:44.540 hopefully the world's, will be changed to use the much 0:18:44.580 --> 0:18:52.160 more accurate term, super, as opposed to artificial. So it's superintelligence. 0:18:52.660 --> 0:18:58.940 Welcome to the new world of superintelligence-SI. SI. Let's see 0:18:58.980 --> 0:18:59.760 if that goes. 0:18:59.980 --> 0:19:03.340 It sounds much better. Alright, the leader of the most 0:19:03.380 --> 0:19:05.459 popular political party in the country is Pauline Hanson. She's 0:19:05.500 --> 0:19:07.240 in the man cave right now. Lovely to see you, mate. 0:19:07.260 --> 0:19:07.840 How are you? 0:19:07.980 --> 0:19:09.140 Good, yeah, really good. 0:19:09.180 --> 0:19:11.379 Very good, alright. The handbag. Can you just show us here? 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.240 Oh, I have to. 0:19:12.500 --> 0:19:13.050 But you love it. 0:19:13.140 --> 0:19:16.070 You know, you talk about News 24, alright? You know 0:19:16.109 --> 0:19:18.310 how big issue now is? Look at this one. 0:19:20.290 --> 0:19:21.889 Fake news. Fake news. 0:19:21.930 --> 0:19:23.409 We're getting a lot of that at the moment. 0:19:23.450 --> 0:19:24.870 Well, this is it. Well, I've got to ask, right? 0:19:24.910 --> 0:19:25.280 Straight up. 0:19:25.430 --> 0:19:25.650 Okay. 0:19:25.670 --> 0:19:25.750 Yep. 0:19:27.180 --> 0:19:29.250 It seems that people are trying to play sort of 0:19:29.270 --> 0:19:33.350 30-year-old games against you, right? Like the idea that Channel 9, 0:19:33.350 --> 0:19:36.350 in a report about Trump's America, goes and sends somebody 0:19:36.369 --> 0:19:40.230 to the KKK. What do you think of Pauline Hanson? Like, 0:19:40.369 --> 0:19:43.350 that's a pretty long bow that they're trying to draw, right? 0:19:43.570 --> 0:19:46.710 They did it to me in 1998 in the 60 0:19:46.710 --> 0:19:48.350 Minutes interview that they did, and I think it was 0:19:48.390 --> 0:19:50.240 Charles Woolley. I've done a few of them. but I 0:19:50.260 --> 0:19:52.760 think it was Charles Woolley. And they tried to associate 0:19:53.220 --> 0:19:56.180 us with the KKK. It's an absolute bloody joke. There's 0:19:56.220 --> 0:20:00.500 no association whatsoever. And I came to spend the money, 0:20:00.820 --> 0:20:04.790 although Elbow just gave them all $ 67 million and $ 16 0:20:04.750 --> 0:20:05.889 million to Channel 9. 0:20:05.890 --> 0:20:06.650 Yes, yes. 0:20:06.670 --> 0:20:09.610 So great spend of taxpayers' dollars to send them over there. 0:20:10.130 --> 0:20:11.189 to follow up this rubbish. 0:20:11.290 --> 0:20:13.030 Yeah, this is the thing where... I want to tell 0:20:13.050 --> 0:20:15.230 people about this. There was some sort of news fund 0:20:15.350 --> 0:20:19.250 which was given to a whole bunch of organisations, including Nine, 0:20:19.750 --> 0:20:22.109 to help hurt their journalism. So, of course, you know, 0:20:22.130 --> 0:20:24.710 there was no way they were giving the political favour back. 0:20:25.030 --> 0:20:26.709 But I want to talk about the opinion polls when 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.140 it comes to the Prime Minister because they are pretty 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:32.619 crook at the moment. Last night, the News24 Pulse poll, 0:20:32.740 --> 0:20:35.500 it showed dissatisfaction with the Prime Minister at 62% right now. 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.260 In terms of the male voters, it's 64%. Female voters, 0:20:41.420 --> 0:20:49.530 it's 60%. Millennials, it's 61%, let alone boomers and Gen X. And, yeah, 0:20:49.570 --> 0:20:51.970 he's in a world of trouble with virtually every single. 0:20:52.010 --> 0:20:52.750 He's on the nose, Paul. 0:20:52.970 --> 0:20:53.470 Yeah, every day. 0:20:53.490 --> 0:20:55.570 I just came back from the Hentyfield Day. I opened 0:20:55.630 --> 0:20:59.609 it up yesterday at Wagga Wagga. And they're really hurting 0:20:59.670 --> 0:21:01.470 out in the bush. It was great to be there. 0:21:02.090 --> 0:21:05.689 Great reception, but they are so over the Labor Party. 0:21:05.810 --> 0:21:08.330 There's so much on the nose. They're not even happy 0:21:08.369 --> 0:21:11.129 with the coalition government at all. They're not addressing the issues. 0:21:11.170 --> 0:21:13.130 They've had plenty of time to address the main issue 0:21:13.190 --> 0:21:15.990 out there, which is the water. And it's getting to 0:21:16.050 --> 0:21:18.690 the stage now, even the rice growers, they aren't producing 0:21:18.750 --> 0:21:22.060 enough rice in this country. And all the environmental flows 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:23.560 and all the rest of it is going in the environment. 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.280 We're seeing townships, businesses, industries shutting down because we haven't 0:21:27.300 --> 0:21:29.280 got the water. It's been a scam, and I want 0:21:29.300 --> 0:21:31.540 a Royal Commission into the Murray-Darling Basin. 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.370 Yeah, and rightly so. But, I mean, when it comes 0:21:33.380 --> 0:21:35.550