1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Business Interview. I'm Suan Almam. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: It's hard to remember a more volatile time on the 3 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: world stage with Donald Trump and the White House. Global 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: markets are swept up in the uncertainty of tariffs and 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: key trading partners and the threat of an all out 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: trade war. Then there's a war in Ukraine, with the 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: US splitting with Europe over how to handle the Russian invasion, 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: headlined by the disastrous confrontation between Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance in the Oval Office. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: At the same time, China is still strengthening its presence 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: in our own region, circum navigating Australia with warships, and 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: all of this is happening as we gear up for 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: a federal election, with Poles suggesting we're heading for a 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: minority government. Chris Yelman is a political contributor at Sky 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: News and a columnist at The Australian. Chris, welcome back 16 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: to Fear and Greed. 17 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 2: Sure, I graty with you. 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: So let's start with the US. How would you describe 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: the first fifty days off for Donald Trump? 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 3: Traumatic for the rest of the world, never a dull moment. 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: It's clear that Donald Trump believes in the old adage 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: that you know, the powerful do what they will, and 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: the week sufferers they must. It would appear that he's 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: going to split the world up into hemispheres, and he 25 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: wants pretty much all the western hemisphere, stretching from Greenland 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: down to Panama and maybe all the way to Argentina. 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: Who could possibly. 28 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 3: Say, But then that means that we end up at 29 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: a different hemisphere. Right, we're in the eastern hemisphere where 30 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: China is, and he might leave Europe to the Russian 31 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: So we're seeing reordering of the way that the world works. 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 3: We're seeing an American president walking away from the strategic 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 3: circumstances that have pretty much governed the world since the 34 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: end of the Second World War. So we are living, 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: indeed in interesting times, as the Chinese curse. 36 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: Would have it. 37 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Yes, let's dive into that a bit. Let's start with Ukraine, 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: something that you know a lot about. You have actually 39 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: interviewed Loto mis Zelenski, I know and done some work 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: on Ukraine. Where does that stand at the moment. 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty clear that the American president is walking 42 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: away from the Ukrainian president because he doesn't believe he's 43 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: getting what he wants. At the moment, the United States 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: is essentially now suspending the military aid that they're giving 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: to Ukraine, and Ukraines can't survive without it. Puts him 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: as President Trump at odds obviously with Europe and with 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: Kiir Starmer in the UK. So the United Kingdom and 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: the Europeans are saying they're going to stand by Ukraine. 49 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: But look, let's be cliche or there has to be 50 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 3: a ceasefire and there has to be an end to 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 3: this war. And unfortunately, at the moment, the position in 52 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 3: Ukraine's very different from when I was there at the 53 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 3: end of twenty twenty three. At that stage they had 54 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: pushed Russians back along the front line where they had advanced, 55 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: not back across the border, but certainly they had made 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: some advances in their own territory. They're now going to 57 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: be negotiating from a position of weakness. But it would 58 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 3: appear that a lot of Vezelenski has certainly now decided 59 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: that he wants to have talks that include the United States. 60 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 3: They're going to be tap talks in Saudi Arabia and 61 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: Marco Rubio is heading there at the moment, Ukrainians will 62 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: be represented at those talks. You know, one would hope 63 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 3: that the United States started with a strong bargaining position, 64 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: but given it said that, you know, being a NATO 65 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: is not going to be part of it, and there 66 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 3: have been other concessions already, it would seem to me 67 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: that all the cards with Vladimir. 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: Putin, is there a strategy to this, to what Donald 69 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: Trump's doing? Oh? 70 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: Who could possibly say? 71 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: I read all these articles where people say, you know 72 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 3: that the president's playing three dimensional chess, that there is 73 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: a greater you know that some believe that, in fact, 74 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: what he's trying to do is to split Russia from China, 75 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: and this is one of the players and the way 76 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: that you'll go about it. Look that it's a really 77 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: fascinating thing, Sean that inside the conservative movement, particularly the 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: MAGA movement in the United States, there is a very 79 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: pro putin part of that. 80 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: Now. 81 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: He has been playing to that crowd. 82 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: For many, many years in fact, and his play was 83 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: essentially this, He rebooted the Orthodox Church inside Russia. He 84 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: presents himself as the last Christian ruler. That plays very 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 3: well to the Christian right in the United States, they 86 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 3: believe that. So you know that he said that they're 87 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: never going to basically engage in the same sex marriage. 88 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: They're not going to allow a gender ideology, which Putin 89 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: would say has infected the West to infect him. And 90 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 3: there are people inside the US, particularly the Christian US 91 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 3: and the Christian Right, that that really appeals to. So 92 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: he's been making that message loud clear for a long 93 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 3: time and it's clearly had an effect. 94 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: What about closer to home, well, or at least close 95 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,679 Speaker 1: to the US home. Canada justin today was very tough 96 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: on Donald Trump. Mexico, same deal in terms of tariff's. 97 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: Canadan's got a new prime minister. Now, how does that 98 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: play out? That actually surprises him more than anything else. 99 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, but what's happened too now is that the Liberals 100 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: are back in the race. They are going to be 101 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: trounced by the Conservatives. They were behind it every single poll. 102 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 3: And what Trump has done is to put Mark Carney, 103 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: who will now be the candidate, back in the race 104 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: in that because the Canadians, no matter what else, have 105 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 3: certainly banded together over the fact that they don't want 106 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: to be the fifty Firth State of the United States. 107 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: So Trump may well have overplayed his hand on that 108 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: front if indeed he cares about who is the prime 109 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 3: ministry in Canada, and there's every chance that he probably doesn't. 110 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: But it's certainly not helping the Conservatives at all in 111 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: Canada at the moment, and as breathe life back into 112 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 3: the Liberals campaign, So that will be really interesting to watch. 113 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 3: Don't go to the polls very shortly, but yet, Look, 114 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff too, is that he's very 115 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: serious about ending the federal crisis in the United States 116 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: and that drug basically manufactured in China comes across the 117 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: border from Mexico in enormous amounts and does come across 118 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 3: the Canadian border. That's really what he's playing out here. 119 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 3: He wants them to make sure that they do more 120 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: about their borders. That drug kills one hundred thousand Americans 121 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 3: a year. That is an extraordinary toll, and I can 122 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: see why the President would want to put an end today. 123 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: Say with him in Chris, we'll be back in a minute. 124 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: My guest this morning is Chris Yelman, a political contributor 125 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: to Sky News and The Australian. Let's bring it closer 126 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: to home, China. How worried should we be about the 127 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: live firing exercises the circumnavigation of Australia by Chinese warships. 128 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 3: Well, sure, when the government dismissed it as nothing really 129 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 3: out of the ordinary. Can you remember the last time 130 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: that a non allied ship had a live fire exercise 131 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: off the east coast of Australia And if you can't, 132 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: I'll remind you it was between nineteen forty two and 133 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 3: nineteen forty three when there was a lot of submarine 134 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 3: presence there. They attacked Sydney Harbor and quite a lot 135 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 3: of ships were within the course of that year. We 136 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 3: have done everything since the Second World War to ensure 137 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: that that never happens again. So this is no small thing. 138 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: And what the Chinese did was they lapped Australia with 139 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: their ships and maybe a submarine, and they set out 140 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: to see whether or not we could keep pace with them. 141 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: And guess what, it turns out we can't. We can't 142 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: circumnavigate our own country with our own navy and continue 143 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: to fuel it. So that should send a pretty loud 144 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 3: message to the people who are running defense policy in 145 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 3: Australia that we are entirely on the wrong track, and 146 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: we really need to do something about that. We've invested 147 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: all about chips essentially in submarines that will be delivered 148 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: over the horizon. 149 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: Most of our money is going there. 150 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: The increase in defense spending of fifty billion dollars over 151 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 3: ten years, that's five billion dollars a year. 152 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: That's not much. But then again, Shaw and I put 153 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: this to you, even if. 154 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: We gave defense more money, who could say that they'd 155 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: spend it wisely? 156 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: I agree? What about the timing of it post Trump, 157 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: with all sorts of question marks about whose US allies 158 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: and who aren't. 159 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 3: I mean it was deliberate, Yeah, absolutely, I think sending 160 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: the message that Trump has basically not really said anything 161 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: about alliances that's been in any way positive. In fact, 162 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: he has slapped higher tariff on his allies at the 163 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,559 Speaker 3: moment than he has on China. There was talk from 164 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: one of his people that they would pull Canada out 165 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: of the Five Eyes intelligence gathering agreement, which is a 166 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: sort of crown jewels for countries like Canada and Australia. 167 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 3: So China is sending the message that you're all alone 168 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: and naked at the bottom of the world. Do you 169 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: really think that Don Trump is necessarily going to be 170 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: here for you if you would need it. And look, 171 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: the thing about it is that Australia is not in 172 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: any imminent chance of invasion. 173 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: So that's let's put that to one side. 174 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 3: But given that we only have two weeks supply of 175 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 3: fuel in this country, we could easily be cut off 176 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: from our vital supplies with a Chinese navy. And what 177 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: might cause that, Well, an attack on Taiwan might cause that. 178 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: They might want to separate us from the United States 179 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 3: at that stage, and what would we do then, So 180 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: there's every cause to be worried about whether or not 181 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: we can defend even our own trade routes. 182 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: Okay, let's bring it home to domestic politics. Chris West Australia. 183 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: Good result for the Labor Party over there, obviously, the 184 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: floods and Excyclone Alfred delayed the calling of the election. 185 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: Where do you think the government stands at the moment? 186 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: The Federal government stands at the moment. 187 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: Well, I hear all of this talk about the fact 188 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: that the Albaneze is going to be doing quite badly 189 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: according to the polls, and I look at the news 190 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 3: poll in the Australian this morning, and I see that 191 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: the primary vote the Labor Party is thirty two percent 192 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: and the primary vote for the Coalition is about thirty 193 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: nine percent. Go back to the last election, the prim 194 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 3: vate for the Labor Party was a little over thirty 195 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: two percent and the primary vote for the Coalition was 196 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: a little over thirty six percent, you know, so, and 197 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: that's inside the margin of error. So it could say 198 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: to you that absolutely nothing has changed since the last election. 199 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: And then when you look at the hopes that the 200 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: Little Party had in Western Australia to pick up quite 201 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: a number of seats there to at least return it 202 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 3: to something like a normal opposition, it did really badly 203 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: on the weekend. So I believe the fact that the 204 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: coalition's in with the show when I actually see it, 205 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 3: and that'll be on polling day, you know. I'll wait 206 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: until then to make a call on that stuff. What 207 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 3: we would imagine is that the Labor Party loses some 208 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 3: skin out in the Albaniz. He sits on seventy eight seats, 209 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 3: you know, he's got to have seventy six in order 210 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 3: to form government. You would imagine that he loses some 211 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: The most likely outcome then of the next election, based 212 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 3: on everything that we can see it the moment, is 213 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 3: that it will be a Labor minority government, and even 214 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: if not in agreement with the Greens and the Teals, 215 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: with the Greens and the Teals agreeing to supply for 216 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: the Labor Party and a more left wing Senate, which 217 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 3: means that government could get a whole lot worse than 218 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: it is now. 219 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that'll happen. 220 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: I think that's the most likely outcome at the moment. 221 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: Things could change, and I think there are small things 222 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: that happened to for a prime minister. I mean, the 223 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 3: cyclone was a terrible thing in the end, but it 224 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: could have been way worse. Like you know, if you've 225 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: come at the shore as a category to and then 226 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: you think about Brisbane, you've been they're always of Queensland 227 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 3: has made it, it would basically, you know. 228 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: The destruction could have been a lot worse than it was. 229 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: And that's not minimizing, by the way, the fact that 230 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: a lot of people have suffered a lot. 231 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: It's going to cost a lot of money. But I 232 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: think that's a good thing for the Prime minister. 233 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: I think Prime Minister did a pretty credible job in 234 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: the course of this event. And the Queensland is going 235 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: to be in a very important state and that part 236 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: of Queensland, Southeast Queensland's where all the boats are. 237 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: So you know, even small things matter like events do. Matt. 238 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 3: And now he has a little bit more time. He 239 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: wanted to go in April. Now would be going and 240 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: may maybe it turns out to be better for him. 241 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: Christian mister press gallery, No I got to ask him. 242 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: Let's leave it that Chris, thank you for talking to 243 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: Fear and Greed. 244 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: Thank you mate. 245 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: That's Chris Yourman, political contributor at Sky News and a 246 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: columnist at The Australian. This is the Fear and Greed 247 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: Business Interview. Join us every morning for the full episode 248 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: of Fear and Greed, daily business news for people who 249 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: make their own decisions. I'm Sean a Elma. 250 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: Enjoy your day.