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Speaker 1: It's eleven pm on a quiet night in November two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. In her Sheffield home, University administrator Ruth

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Speaker 1: Owen is getting ready for bed. She's been waiting for

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Speaker 1: a call from her son Nick, a raal Marine commando

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Speaker 1: on deployment in Afghanistan. Her mobile phone finally rings, but

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Speaker 1: it's not Nick on the other end. It's an officer

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Speaker 1: from the Marines with the news no parent wants to hear.

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Speaker 1: Her son had been severely injured in combat. Eighteen year

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Speaker 1: old Nicholas Gibbons was barely eighteen months out of training

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Speaker 1: when injured by an ID while on nighttime foot patrol.

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Speaker 1: Within three months of his right leg being amputated, he

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Speaker 1: was back in uniform, even going on exercises and competing

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Speaker 1: in the Warrior Games. But following his medical discharge, Nick's

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Speaker 1: life would spiral out of control, resulting in jail time.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Middleton and this is head game today, Nick

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Speaker 1: Gibbons on the physical and mental challenges he's had to

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Speaker 1: overcome and how he's now thriving. Nick. It's great to

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Speaker 1: have you.

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Speaker 2: Where are you, buddy, I'm in Shepherd at the minute.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. By the way, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Ah Sheffield, makee listen. You're more than welcome. When your

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Speaker 1: name came up, mate was like that, Yes, it's great

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Speaker 1: to speak to one of my own mates. So always

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Speaker 1: a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Nick.

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Speaker 1: You joined the Raal Marines at at a young age.

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Speaker 1: Now just talk me through before we get into the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty of your of your career. Just taught me through.

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Speaker 1: You know what your childhood was like why you wanted

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Speaker 1: to join the Marines. Was it? Did you come from

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Speaker 1: a military family or you come from Sheffield, right, so

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Speaker 1: they're probably naffle to do there, and you thought I'm

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Speaker 1: going to enjoy the rural Marines.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What was you like as a kid, mate, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was. I was at a very good childhood. You know,

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Speaker 2: rugby as a kid, that was quite cool right from

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Speaker 2: a young age. I guess it's difficult. I didn't ever

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Speaker 2: want to turn around and go I want to be

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Speaker 2: a romoner, just butt like it was something that was

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Speaker 2: just in me to do. I remember that from a

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Speaker 2: young age. You know, I'd go to the park and

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Speaker 2: place orders and my brother or whatever and we'd we'd

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Speaker 2: always be out in the park doing stuff. And I

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Speaker 2: was fascinated by Merger history. Fascinated by Merger uniforms. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was raised s Sheffield. I'd say, I'd say, you know,

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Speaker 2: we were poor, we were rich with quite my dad

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Speaker 2: would dad and dad and mum were good to me

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Speaker 2: basically at a young age. And I was eight and

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Speaker 2: they went their separate ways. My brother was eight, my twin,

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Speaker 2: my sister was eleven. She was a little bit older.

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Speaker 2: But if I was laying on the couch now, they

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Speaker 2: might have something to say about that. But me personally,

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Speaker 2: I think it's just the way it was. You know,

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Speaker 2: It's just these things happened and you just get you

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Speaker 2: go through it. And remember I remember at a young

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Speaker 2: age just going from house to house, and you know,

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Speaker 2: of adding them back. But I guess, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I've got no qualms about how I how I grew up.

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Speaker 2: You know, i'd barely quite a strong, strong childhood. I

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Speaker 2: would say, yeah, support network, Yeah, good friends, good family.

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Speaker 2: I grew up where you know, the days now are

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Speaker 2: gone where you'd go out and you'd play on the streets,

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Speaker 2: always outside, never want to come home. So you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't have any any sort of hang ups around

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Speaker 1: So when did the Royal Marines first come on the

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Speaker 1: radar on a serious note? And did you did you

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Speaker 1: sort of action that straight away? Did you just get

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Speaker 1: down the careers office and away we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It always fascinated me, but I guess the real time,

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Speaker 2: in my head that sticks to something, I'm joining it.

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Speaker 2: I remember I wanted to join as an officer, and

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Speaker 2: I put myself onto a public service course at college

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Speaker 2: and I was looking at things, right, Okay, i'll do

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Speaker 2: that now you're at nineteen you or I'll peel into

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Speaker 2: the into the insice course. I remember reading them. I'd

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Speaker 2: But I was that was probably sort of how old

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Speaker 2: June twenty six and I actually was in a troop

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Speaker 1: The So you tell your mum that you go and

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Speaker 1: she says, no, you're not. You're like, mom, see you later.

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Speaker 1: You know you did you go on? And obviously do

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Speaker 2: Did you?

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Speaker 1: Did you enjoy all of that? And did you have

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Speaker 1: any problems at such a young age passing any of it?

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, I loved I loved all of it.

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Speaker 2: The only thing the concept I found hard during training

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Speaker 2: to the concept. I was sixteen years old, so the

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Speaker 2: idea of you must do this or you do that,

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Speaker 2: I didn't really didn't really care. I was just fascinated

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Speaker 1: And you're quite mouldable still, then, aren't you you're just like,

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Speaker 1: you know, you're being told what to do by your parents, right,

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Speaker 1: so you're just like, do you know what, Yeah, let's

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Speaker 2: And at the time when I was in training, a

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Speaker 2: lot of people a lot older than me, and they

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Speaker 2: of being in a situation where I'm surrounded by you know,

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Speaker 2: I can think about, God, I'm not I'm living the dream.

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Speaker 2: I know it sounds kind of chad, but I'm living

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Speaker 2: the dream. And how are you? How are you dealing

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Speaker 2: We've got the mind to do it. Now. I bolages

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Speaker 1: So And what was the hardest bit that you found

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Speaker 2: There's a situation once where I was I did I

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Speaker 2: stugg with a rope climb, So did you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a little weakly spindly arms at that stage.

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Speaker 2: I still got to do it right. And I remem

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Speaker 2: thinking I don't expect to have trained it some this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah do it.

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Speaker 2: So I remember I remember doing this. I struggled a

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Speaker 2: like I might to leave. So we come to bill

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Speaker 2: peel off and join the Yorkshires. I'm still something to do.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, then I stick it in, it's

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Speaker 2: not cool. And the day before that, I've done a regain.

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Speaker 2: I remember hanging in front of the in front of

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Speaker 2: the troop and it's the PC. I going recruit you.

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Speaker 2: What do you want to what do you want to be?

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Speaker 2: And you grow up? But I'm hanging on this no

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Speaker 2: do you want to be? When you go up, fucking milkman,

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Speaker 2: no corporal, jump in the pool, get up, get kit

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Speaker 2: the up, the rope back down, reagain, bang did all

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Speaker 2: of it? You make? And I got pulled to one

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Speaker 2: know that kind of attitude like if it's in, you

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Speaker 2: do it, don't don't hold back. I believe have confidence

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd put that mental block on yourself exactly. You

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Speaker 1: know you just thought, well, I can't do something therefore

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Speaker 1: blocking my head, where my how what's my escape route? Right,

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Speaker 1: it's joining the Yorkshires. I'm not going to be here

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Speaker 1: I can I can see how they must have thought, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of them were like me, I'm

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Speaker 2: getting deep briefed here. I'm just absolutely fightened it. But

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Speaker 2: that was the kind of from a young gays installed

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Speaker 2: up all the time when not when you want to mate.

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Speaker 1: I love Royal Marine Training, even though I'd had you know,

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Speaker 1: four to five years experience in the army and nine

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Speaker 1: parasute squadron. You know, it's I just love the way

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Speaker 1: the way that it was structured. I love the way

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Speaker 1: that they again, you know, just because you were smashing it,

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Speaker 1: there was always something that you could improve on. And

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Speaker 1: I love the way that you know the PTIs and

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Speaker 1: and then your instructors picked you up in those manners,

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Speaker 1: you know, to letting you know that you can do more,

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Speaker 1: you can be more, you can achieve more just because

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Speaker 1: you're smashing it. So I don't think that you you know,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to have days or times that you

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Speaker 1: think that prepares you well for going into going into

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Speaker 2: Right not that prepared in today, Like there's certain standards

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Speaker 2: that set myself that I just can't compromise on and

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Speaker 2: at times, you know, at times it's been the biggest

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Speaker 2: advantage in my life, but at times it has been

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Speaker 2: quite challenging to deal with other people that haven't had

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Speaker 2: that experience, you know, and you can come across quite

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Speaker 2: judging or you know, they can feel quite intimidating your

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Speaker 2: presence around your relationships friendships, and that's that's one thing

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Speaker 2: I've found challenging, Like, oh, you super judgy. You know,

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Speaker 2: I can't relax around you. And it's like, well, I

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Speaker 2: had standards in stoll be younger, not because I'm better,

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Speaker 2: just because that's some things I can't compromise on or

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Speaker 2: can't get around. Is that one thing that is a

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Speaker 2: disadvantage or advantage. So like it set me up to absolutely,

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Speaker 2: time it left me with some question marks around how

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Speaker 2: just you know which one was more effective. I don't know,

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00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 2: but I know that I wouldn't get my techn allow

431
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:34,800
Speaker 2: me to do that.

432
00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 1: When did Afghan come around for you? When were you told?

433
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,639
Speaker 1: And how did you How did you break it to

434
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 1: your parents?

435
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 2: That's a good question, And I don't actually because I

436
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 2: can remember when we'd broken to I think we always

437
00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 2: knew were going. So yeah, I remember by to mom

438
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 2: and dad separately and friends, I said, I met my

439
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: dad in the aputment. I was like thisen cactulator, you know,

440
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,000
Speaker 2: it was quite non emotional. I'm sure you probably want

441
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 2: to be different. But I went see her one and

442
00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 2: that was when that with that hit me quite a bit,

443
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 2: you know, saying bye to her. You know, I didn't

444
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,680
Speaker 2: want to show any kind of like emotions that I'm

445
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: going you know, I remember her sort of saying to me,

446
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 2: Nick Nicholas, let me just ignored her, just got in

447
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: the car and got off. That was pretty pretty hard

448
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 2: looking back now, probably a bit of a should have

449
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 2: alreadiven her. You know, I don't worry when I'm going

450
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,960
Speaker 2: to come back from fine, but of course that having that.

451
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's the way you dealt with that, right

452
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 1: that emotional disconnect is the way that I'd done the

453
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 1: same as like.

454
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: I guess that that really kind of is only significant

455
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,560
Speaker 2: in the fact that she was the next of kin

456
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 2: and then the next time she did her of something

457
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,640
Speaker 2: that happened, so that that really kind of has a context.

458
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,919
Speaker 2: But I guess, yeah, I was sparely we're excited at

459
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 2: the same time. Excited the right word because it's it's

460
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,600
Speaker 2: not really get excited about things like that. I don't

461
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 2: know if that's disrespectful of what because of the intensities

462
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,679
Speaker 2: of of them situations. But you know there was myself, Andy,

463
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 2: Jack and Jamie who who went in the car back

464
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: and Tommy went or went in the car back up

465
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: to four five and that was it. We spanned it

466
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 2: and laughed and got ready to go onto the next chapter.

467
00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 2: That was you know, our toll Eric nine started in September.

468
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: Take me back to so you were in Afghan You're deployed.

469
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: Where are you're staying? What what are you saying?

470
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,359
Speaker 2: Unob Yeah, we're in a foll operating based forward operating

471
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: based Gibrota. So we were right, you know, it quite

472
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 2: on the quite at the end the thick end of

473
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: the of the of the area, a lot of like

474
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,119
Speaker 2: if you're able to sort of drop a draw and

475
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: a matt where it would be, I guess like between

476
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 2: Lastracar sort of area, and it was. It was fairly

477
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: fairly southern and there's a siln point for brick British

478
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: forces and it was I wouldn't want to go back

479
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: there again. And a lot of my comrades would say that,

480
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 2: but you know, Ford operates roter which I guess it's

481
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 2: just how to explain to views really, I guess like

482
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,400
Speaker 2: it's just some sort of an area that we took

483
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: over within within the region and converted into something that

484
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 2: we could live out of, stay secure out of. It

485
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 2: comes out of resupply, out of they're not. It's not

486
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 2: really something that you know. It's not like the movies

487
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: where you know, you know, it's like Bastard or something

488
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,120
Speaker 2: like that, where you kind of a million miles away

489
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 2: from something you know, you're probably rather thick of it.

490
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 1: Really there and take me back to the I D

491
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Speaker 1: strike when you when you because you've done it, You've

492
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Speaker 1: done a nighttime patrol, didn't you.

493
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: Yes, So it seems odd doing that type patrols because

494
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: really no one's really active at that time. No, it

495
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: was more surveillance into into VP areas, you know, bridges

496
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Or we thought that they're necessarily

497
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Speaker 2: go and see if if there are plant planting I

498
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 2: D s or whatever. And I think looking back, there

499
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: would there be some and a de proper debrief. You

500
00:22:58,320 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: probably would say, well do you need to do that?

501
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: I don't. But the idea was to be part of

502
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: their first g I was there was a lad Chris

503
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: Foy who was who was there only a team of

504
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 2: two at FOB jib that's smaller fish team. And the

505
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: idea was to peel into the the troops stripe he

506
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: is kind of hat if you like, and then be

507
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: with be with a troop to close comeback troop and

508
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 2: they would just eight three sections pop through the village

509
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: and we'd take high ground and get vis on it

510
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: and just look for the night vision and they kind

511
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: of drilling thing would flag up, so we're just sort

512
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 2: of the idea was to move through these this this

513
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: little village for like, and then get to a point

514
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: where we'd get to the high ground, put vision and

515
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: then peel in or whatever and do we need to

516
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: do but make it that far, so I guess there

517
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,200
Speaker 2: was an There was an Afghan National Army compound that's

518
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 2: say a good slum eight hundred meters and actually the

519
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: top of the head from from the fob, and we

520
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: had a little team down there was a small team

521
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: down there every night and again that would train them up.

522
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: But the idea was to peel from our fob and

523
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: there and the reason why I explained the compound in

524
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: me it makes sense, but we god to goes aback.

525
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: So there's sort offfection three times eight, you know, that's

526
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: sort of that sort of number of people on the

527
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: ground HEADQ parting us. So we were peeling through the

528
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 2: different areas of them. You can't just walk down for

529
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: the viewers, you can't just bimboll down the road because

530
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: they're going to know what. You have to sort of

531
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 2: tactically advance through the through the through the village, you know,

532
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 2: making sure that areas are covered and whatnot. And people

533
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: have got here, and there was a situation got to

534
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 2: the compound, so you had one section peel off one way.

535
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: Those actually built for the way, and our job was

536
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: to follow one of the sections around so if you like,

537
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: I can't trying not to trying to explain it as

538
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 2: well as possible. On the corner there was the make

539
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: and we would sort of peeling one by one round

540
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 2: the corner of this compound if you like, it's a lot,

541
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: and then round and on the left hand side was

542
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: like open fields if you like, or kind of open area,

543
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 2: and we're going to handrail the compound on the right

544
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: and side, and I remember walking in so to eight blocks.

545
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: The first section went around the corner and then Chris

546
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 2: I was in front of me, was the javelin launcher

547
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 2: and there was a medical left hand side and then

548
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: Chris Hoy sort of said, where the where are the

549
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: last man? Whar's last bang gun again? And I sort

550
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: of knocked down the night vision because you don't wear

551
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: your night vision all the time, because it was up

552
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: with natural vision. So just a quick drop it down,

553
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: have a look, and I said, just carry on hand

554
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: reading that compound to your right side, so go and

555
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: carrying down down and to that time I put my

556
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: nightmas back up and I've gone it's a bit aerie this,

557
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: you know, and benefit of hindsight, I'm saying this now,

558
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: but I theen felt like something's not right here, Something's

559
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 2: going to happen. I don't know what it is. And

560
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: the quarter prayer came out, so not that I didn't

561
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: that's quite doesn't bother me that I quite quite like it,

562
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: but it had some sort of spookiness to it. At

563
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: the time. I was like, it's not right this. And

564
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: we walked back this doorway and I looked left and

565
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: saw full moon. I looked right and saw the doorway

566
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: half a jar. And I'm not saying that doorway with

567
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: Google traps was. I'm walking and walking down the compound

568
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 2: on the right and side, so my right leg was

569
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: asked to my right leg, so I couldn't have strayed

570
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: off the barber track off the barber track because it

571
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: would have hit the left leg. I might would have done,

572
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: but I don't know. I didn't because I'm not that yeah,

573
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I'm not gonna go wondering into it

574
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: because I'm like when I first got I'm looking down

575
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm like, we just got use of

576
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: sort of the barber track, and I just stood it

577
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: straight away with bang went back. I've never seen the

578
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: same about Ryan where Tom Hanks and jogging and the

579
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: flash bang goes off and he's all like distorted. I

580
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: remember loads of leads just getting fired, so I thought

581
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: fucking ambushed. But I remember thinking bang. I didn't feel

582
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: the pain instantly, so I remember it going bang and

583
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: the ground hike and we hit the ground shaking, and

584
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 2: then like just sudden, like all slow motion, just lead

585
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: going everywhere. I'm like, what this is an ambush, you know,

586
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: And I then came then it came to I was like,

587
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: you know, sort of distorting it. So I went into

588
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: my into my head and the pain hit and I

589
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: was like shout the affwards. Oh my boy, sat death

590
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: word and I couldn't get a breath. So after a

591
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: while of you know, saying yeah, I couldn't, couldn't breathe, ventilating, Yeah,

592
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: it lives in blood. And then I remember Tomo coming

593
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: in and going see spy spire fucking seaspire with that

594
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 2: minute but it said seemed like a minute. It might

595
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: have been thirty seconds of yeah, but it wasn't an ambush.

596
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: There were back spots and the movement that was just

597
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: initial reaction. If we get hit, an idea goes, they're

598
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: going to fucking They're gonna they're gonna start raps lead

599
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: follow up. Yeah, so that's the idea. So then that

600
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: stopped and man down, Gibbos down, Givebo's down. And at

601
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: that point I'm I'm sort of I'm laid on. I'm

602
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: sat on the floor. And as I went back and

603
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: looked up, I seeing like my foot was missing. I

604
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: seen my left leg like left card got blown off.

605
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: I didn't know this, and my left ars and been

606
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: hit and my arm had been my arm had been

607
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: hit here and so I'm losing blood and I'm getting

608
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 2: like and getting the pains incredible fucking I fought like

609
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: sometime people say, does it not?

610
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 4: Does it not hurt from the shop? You know, Okay,

611
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 4: fucking let me tell you. Every every time I stood,

612
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 4: just go, you got this one. But now you've got it,

613
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 4: you've got it. So I guess I guess that the

614
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 4: pain was someone who got some like hot steel and tight.

615
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 4: It's hardly could on my foot screening screen squeam. Anyway,

616
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 4: medic came over at the time. What they're doing was

617
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 4: there were tornicaing people above the neat.

618
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: So I'd had imagine if like your alter heel and

619
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: just gone and then you've got from your heel up

620
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: to half between you knee and you tip people. I've

621
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: gone through a paper shredder, and uh, you know, Johnny

622
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: the medic went and putting it knee and Johnny Mitford went, no,

623
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: below the knee and like again another example of someone

624
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: acting cool and calm and knowing something going. Don't put

625
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: it bubbe because it off and the end jobs in

626
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: it jobs fud. So then he put it below the knee.

627
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: Tornic off tornica and now it's right, it's getting out

628
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: of here. So at that point, you know, I'll tell

629
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: you about something in a minute, which is which was,

630
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: which was really kind of refreshing in the full circle

631
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: moment really, but we then that was getting out, getting

632
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: getting that clip, getting into getting into the fob. But

633
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: the fob's great away, I guess, and be a bishop

634
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: who's a good friend of mine, who you know I

635
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: all lot to and everyone in that situation really and

636
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: the six lads that that that carried stretch to my

637
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: good friends put me on a stretch and then they

638
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: carried me. I want to say stretch, right, you know,

639
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: I don't mean that the movies where you get two

640
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: blocks pop up with the you know, they come along

641
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: with a stretcher and it's rigid. What do you want

642
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: to if we go where it's Paul intently and they're

643
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: dragging me, you know, So it's not it's a bit

644
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: of a grim experience, you know. So you know I

645
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: remember getting dragged and thinking my ass is fucking that,

646
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: my arse is killing what's happening. I'm going on the floor.

647
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: So I mean I'm in the v SI positions for like,

648
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not I'm not flattening the v SI

649
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: and my art is dragging on something fucking my arse

650
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: is fucking killing a big chunk on my ass taking

651
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: out on a strap. No, I'm thinking like I remember

652
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: thinking my arm and the.

653
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: Lads aren't screwing them out, They're just.

654
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 2: On the floor. Fulgebo, you're not playing football anymore, but

655
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: you were ship anyway.

656
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: I was kind of guy.

657
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, I remember this is what James said

658
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: to me again, very close friend of mine, and I

659
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: met up with him auple years ago and we changed

660
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: dips and he went, all you said you would you

661
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 2: were giving I remember, I do actually remember. There's not

662
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: to extend but him what he remembers was is you

663
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: you were encouraging us. You were telling to keep it together, lads,

664
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 2: keep going, keep going, keep pushing. I remember saying that.

665
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: All the thing about was you be hanging out and

666
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm hanging out with Yeah. I'm like, I'm I don't

667
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: thinking lightheaded thinking Yeah, literally I'm lightheaded. I thought my

668
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: arm was gone. I thought I'm dying, someone to die.

669
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: I know it was a bit a bit much, but

670
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: I thought, fucking hell, like this is this is? This

671
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: is it? Like I had the energy to fight like

672
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: and I remember thinking and I remember going to lads,

673
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 2: keep cracking on lads keep going exact what that they're

674
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: fucking hanging out and not one, not one of the

675
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: blokes on that stretcher that I called my my onco

676
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: let that stretcher go. They carried themselves with me on

677
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: the stretcher twenty Q as a kid, you know me included.

678
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: They're all carring. They were fucking hanging out and they've

679
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: got to a place where. And this is another thing

680
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: as well, companies that major It's like your dad, isn't

681
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: he you know, he just went give those down. He

682
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: jumps on his squad and had a trailer on. It

683
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: was like about the fucking out the park. The other

684
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: part man in the park that clear leaves and puts

685
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: his leaves onto a trailer that kind of sketch come

686
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,239
Speaker 2: out and there and he went to put me back

687
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: of the trailer and he had my sluggs raft like

688
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: or whatever, and he just, you know, I say that

689
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: that's weird. Is my important because when you're you'll know,

690
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: when you're operating on the ground, you don't just bimbo

691
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: out on your own. You bimbal out and you need

692
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: to have you to you need to have the ground check.

693
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: You need to reading all sorts of stuff, and he

694
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: just he just got in his cord and stucked off

695
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: and got me and he then right get him on

696
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: the back slumber back of the trailer. And at this

697
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 2: point in the tray is not come to arrive. Your

698
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: bads all over the place and thinking markay hell hanging

699
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: out here, and the surger was on the back and

700
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: they he went right when he gives you some more thing,

701
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: that and more thing. At this point not the fucking mattered,

702
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: but you know it didn't. I didn't really feel effects

703
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: of it. And then we went to the forward operating base.

704
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: It took them twenty one minutes or twenty minutes to

705
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: extract me from point of contact back into the FOB.

706
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 2: So that's like that they they they all deserved you know,

707
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: IDAs or whatever you want to call it in that situation,

708
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: not that they wanted it, but got back to the

709
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: FOB and it was there where they patched up and

710
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: sort of you know, kind of helped me at that

711
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 2: point where Scouse came in in a spoke who cup

712
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: and his wing. He grabbed on my hand and he

713
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: sat with me the whole way. You know, I didn't

714
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: need to think about anything at the moment, you know,

715
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 2: my I put my life into other people's hands and

716
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: they dealt with it immaculately and they saved my life.

717
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: Just one of them saved my life. And I sometimes

718
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: I don't really remember that as much. I don't really

719
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: let myself know that, you know, or give them enough credit.

720
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: And you know, when I went we did a skiing

721
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: trip recently with the r m A and a lot

722
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: of them lads came and I feeling it over earth

723
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: to say, look, thank you, thank you, you're fucking friends.

724
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: I made this quick one thank you for you what

725
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: you want about Okay? So yeah, it's it's it's really

726
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: it's surreal for me to explain the story. It's almost

727
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: like a film really living out that that wasn't me.

728
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: But you know, when when when it mattered, you know,

729
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: I had the stuff and the people around me had

730
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: the stuff, and that's that's such a good tool to

731
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: have in my kit when I'm when I'm when I'm

732
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: going through the ship.

733
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: You go back within a few few months, you're back

734
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: in uniform, aren't you.

735
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was Yeah, so within thirty six hours,

736
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: I was thirty six hours back into back into in

737
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 2: the UK. Twenty four to thirty six, and then my

738
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: recovery process started. So within four weeks I was fitted

739
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 2: with a prosthetic and then within you know, two months.

740
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: It's your let it's your left leg, is it? You know,

741
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: your right leg?

742
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: Right?

743
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, right leg, And it's from it's from the calf down,

744
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: isn't it.

745
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just just below your knee sort of like

746
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: it below your knee like to be and path hopping

747
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: on your legs where it's gone. So I have all

748
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 2: the injuries, you know, it's kind of a function well.

749
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: I walk well and you wouldn't really notice. So of

750
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: all the innis you want if you're going to have,

751
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: have one, not that you want one, but if you'd

752
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: want one, you'd want this one.

753
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

754
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: So yeah. Back in uniform, the idea was that they

755
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 2: I need to get back on the horse. And some

756
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: people might look at that and go masking issues or

757
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: might think, oh need traumatic and there might be some

758
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: people want to break that down. But for me it

759
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: was like I need to I need to get back

760
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: up on the horse because this is the only option

761
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: because ultimately and I M going to get mental dis

762
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: started here. You know. That was the next chapter, which

763
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: is I'm going to leave the course, so I'm going

764
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 2: to make the biggest campaign not to which means me

765
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 2: getting fit again, getting back to fitness, showing that this

766
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 2: is possible. And I did all of that. You know,

767
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 2: I got to bud again, you know too Norway's and At.

768
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: I'd like to claim that for the first Empties we

769
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 2: really deployed in non combat zone. But true that is Thomas,

770
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, got redeployed. And then you know, did that

771
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 2: and you put real case into just stay in the

772
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: cord to fitness tests. You know, I passed all the

773
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: bleak tests, did all that kind of good stuff, all

774
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: the fitness test, all that kind of good stuff. And

775
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 2: you know, there was a time I was a company

776
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: getting set up because has the company where you know

777
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: the story Blondie Hasler and he was he was in

778
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: he was obviously injured at some point in his career,

779
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: so they kind of what to strike some sort of

780
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: cord around that and has a company, especially a company

781
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: set up to support injured veterans that go through rehab

782
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: and get prepared to go to spinning the street. But

783
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: at the time, the whole that was quite an embryonic process,

784
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 2: and so I was kind of like the guinea pigy

785
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 2: for like, and I'm coming to four or five and Gibba, look,

786
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: you know the times kind of what you join has

787
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: a company want to stay here but ultimately come to

788
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 2: tread the ground so it can tradit for it can

789
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: tread it as well. And so we joined has the

790
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: company that was the sort of beginning of the end

791
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: like career in the world moons if you like?

792
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: And when when when did you? When did you realize?

793
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: So you you you've done everything you can to get

794
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: back on the on the horse as you as you

795
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: call it, to get back into in the game, get

796
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: your head back in the game. You know you're avoiding

797
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: being m DD. So but when and you think it's

798
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: going well, when do you when do you hear the no?

799
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: When do you hear the sort of the news that

800
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: actually you are getting m D And how did it feel?

801
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: And did it feel like you're being fucking kicked in?

802
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I felt a bit about sacks that you had.

803
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: It's commercial suicide. If they still work, they still work.

804
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I still.

805
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: Listen.

806
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: You don't have listen. Don't prove that, mate.

807
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: I believe you. I believe you yeah, so, yeah, I

808
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: think that when I left four five, Colonel the League

809
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: sort of you know, he sort of had a word

810
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: of me and said, look, joined this company, and be

811
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: a be a be a patriot, be a driver of this,

812
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: this new thing that's trying to do. So whether people

813
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: can learn from this and I can trail blaze that.

814
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: And I was quite proud of that. But I guess

815
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: ultimately when I started to the process of emboss, which

816
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,720
Speaker 2: you know, and get make a discharge, probably when wheels

817
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: were already in motion, and that you know, quite a

818
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: long process, take two or three well I think you

819
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 2: may eighteen months and actually the time frame, but it's

820
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 2: a long process. And so eventually get a left the

821
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: post and say, oh, your emboss is coming up, your

822
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: bo coming up, and that I were then I knew

823
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: it was coming. I did. I don't actually remember. I

824
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 2: don't remember the day pacifically, but when we're going to

825
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: some of them, it was as there was on a

826
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: Navy camp, Drake and we're going to some sort of office,

827
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: some sort of Navy office and in one of the

828
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: buildings and told some some but then I started to

829
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: feel much more like a number, you know, they didn't

830
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: know who was. They had to read my docs and

831
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: find out who was like, yeah, this is this is

832
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 2: I need to switch fire because this is happening. And

833
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: then I a couple months later, I got in the

834
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: car with a with a representative from HAS, the company

835
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: that's thrift, and they took me to a place and

836
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: I think it was so many reports so I can't

837
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: remember tirely. The other people are called ropes and badges

838
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 2: and whatever on their shoulders and just said yeah, they'd

839
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: read it. There was it was like a panel a

840
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: forum there and I sat behind them the desk. It

841
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: was like an interview and they just said, look, thank

842
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 2: you very much for your service. And at that point

843
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: I then went back to as a company. And then

844
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: I got a series of testimonials written up, which which

845
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: were difficult to swallow because they didn't know me. They

846
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: only had like some of my my my accolades from

847
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: what I've done, you know, I got prize from from

848
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: four or five little things like that. Little it was

849
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: like sort of mentioned in my in my testimonial, but

850
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: they didn't really know me. It felt very very like

851
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: contrive yeah contract. So then when I then and then

852
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: went oh, you're going to go to a stone house

853
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: to come out, all right, okay stonehouse, chuck one up

854
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: and then jumped in the car and it was just

855
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: like all right. It was all very much like.

856
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, we've yeah, we've used you for what we

857
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: need you for.

858
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: Where you go. Yeah, I don't hold and I don't

859
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: harbor any negative feelings about that, because I know exactly

860
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: what it is. I'm there, I was there to do.

861
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: I don't look back and go, oh the call that

862
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 2: I look back coach imaculate, I don't look back. I

863
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 2: just my feeling my time was like at the time,

864
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 2: it was like all right, well what that And that's

865
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: when the next journey started, And that's I would have

866
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: done the thing say differently, I think that's the way

867
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: it's always going to be when you're leaving things like that.

868
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't think they can change that in the court,

869
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 2: and they can, they can throw as many courses out

870
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: as the one, but I don't think that that feeling

871
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: is ever going to change for someone who's dedicated that

872
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: you know, essentially want to spend the rest of life

873
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 2: in the cores.

874
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: And I didn't agreed, do you know what, mate? And

875
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: I always say that to people when I you know,

876
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: when you know, when you're leaving and they give you

877
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: all these courses, go and do all these courses. I'm like, listen,

878
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: you've been trained.

879
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: You know.

880
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: In order to join the military, you have to train.

881
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: You know, you have to go through the longest sympathy

882
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: training in the world, especially joining in the Royal Marines.

883
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't act like a soldier and

884
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: behave like a soldier and meet the standards of a

885
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: soldier during that time, you don't become a soldier. It's

886
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: as simple as that, you know. And so they train

887
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: and train you, and then you're in You're engulfed by it.

888
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: You go to combat, you know, and there's no sort

889
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: of untraining, you know, there's no there are two separate worlds.

890
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: You've got the military and then you've got the city street.

891
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: And they chuck you all these courses, but they don't

892
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: train you to be a civilian. You can't act like

893
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: a w all marine in city street because before you know,

894
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: you get banged up.

895
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah where you're you'll, I guess it's

896
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 2: it's also as well, it is like ignore, ignoring, like

897
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: having that stubborness and that arrogance of like, you know,

898
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: I do want Max bout Neck gets you trouble, you know,

899
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: gets you your kind of life takes over and you

900
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: can't you can't play anymore. And then alternately, well you

901
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: know what I do it it gets you in trouble.

902
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, but give going into it, straight into it,

903
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: you leave pretty pretty much like myself. I left him

904
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: within six months. I found myself behind bars just to

905
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, just from an incident that you know that

906
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: just happened. Nothing was you know, premeditated, It just it

907
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: just unfolded, and you found yourself on the on the

908
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: wrong side of the law as well and behind and

909
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: you went, how did that? How did that unfold? And

910
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: what happened to you?

911
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: I was twenty five, and this is a real if

912
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: I was looking back now, I've been there probably some

913
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: real formative years, you know, late as a man in

914
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: the late twenties. I didn't. I didn't. I was just

915
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: I did have a job and I didn't know what

916
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: to do. And so you know what happened was my

917
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 2: my flat got raided for I was living the flat

918
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: at the time, and it got raided for I don't know,

919
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: someone was obviously putting in surveilance. Someone said something and

920
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: they end up finding a large amount of Class A

921
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: drugs in there, and I had to get there, well

922
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: a thousand decisions then to that one. You know. It's

923
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: that's why it's so bought to pay attention to combat

924
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: indicators at the only stages in life. You know. I

925
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: thought at one point a year ago, I thought, I

926
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: don't know, going out was good, you know, getting it

927
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: for having a line doing that, you know, I'd taking

928
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 2: drugs or having a going turbo on the on the drink,

929
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: on the booze. I thought that was acceptable. I think

930
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: I just life took over and I just did d

931
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: to the communicators. Life just when you don't, when you

932
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 2: don't switch on to what's important, the staples, the routine discipline,

933
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: you end up in a place where it's no man's land.

934
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: That's where I was and no one's for me.

935
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Was.

936
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: But it's basically depression, if you like. I wouldn't say

937
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: I was depressed, but I was moving like I was.

938
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't answering the mail piles of mail up, I

939
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: wasn't answering phone calls. I was getting up at two

940
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: o'clock afternoon. I just wasn't doing things how I shouldn't.

941
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: And it turned like when, well, there you go have

942
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: that because you're not paying attention to what should be doing.

943
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: And you know, before I knew it, that happened. You know,

944
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: I was, I was banged up. You know, I was

945
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: on bail for eighteen months. In that time, I got

946
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: my life straight. I've got a job. I've got jobing

947
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: a wearousese and worked on a machine all day, every

948
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: day for six or six for eighteen months. Bought a

949
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: house while before I went in, so I got to

950
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: build some money up and went in there did I

951
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 2: ended up doing two years inside? You I did. I

952
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: got given a got charge of eight years, but you

953
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: know that got knocked down for first offense, et cetera,

954
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: and then doing two years inside and I and I

955
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: remember sitting in the cell thinking, is this how you

956
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: just how you want to do it. It's what you

957
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: wanted to.

958
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: Do, and like it's pathetic, been there, might been there.

959
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: And I don't regret anything. I don't regret that decision

960
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 2: because ultimately it makes me who I am and it

961
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: gives me that kind of touch point. But there's some

962
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: certain things that I didn't do. I lost touch with

963
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: some veteran lads. I lost touch with certain menu and family,

964
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: and you go to gym as much and slow to

965
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: think I could talk with about it, but you know,

966
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: I like to go over and I'd to end up.

967
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: The situation five thousand cuts exactly.

968
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it was. It was definitely an experience.

969
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying people go to jail. I'm saying

970
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: when you put usself out your comfort zone, you really

971
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: see who you really are, and in them environments, you know,

972
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: you quickly found out very quick. So it's not it

973
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: doesn't take twenty years, it don't take forty years, take

974
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: a day. So having that going to the environments and

975
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: really kind of at the time, I obviously lost a

976
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 2: lot of self esteem. I've lost low confidence, which is

977
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: really want to some of the kickstarts as to why

978
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: I made them decisions. I went there and I had

979
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: to rely on me and me alone, and that that

980
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 2: for me was fundamentally picking myself back up because I

981
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: came out there and I was fucking flying because I

982
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: knew there was again you know, I reminded myself of

983
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: why it's important to just stay, just stay stoic, you know,

984
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 2: to puff your chest out, to have a strong up

985
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: a lip, you know, all the things that make keep

986
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: you discipline and maybe going a bit of the tangent here.

987
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: No, mate, it is I love it. I love it

988
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: because you're exactly right. It's like holding yourself accountable with

989
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: you exactly it does. It forces, it forces resilience in you.

990
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: It forces you to fucking step up. It forces you

991
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: to man up, It forces you to bite, you lit

992
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: and go. Do you know what it is?

993
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: What it is?

994
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: I've got myself in this. I'm going to get myself

995
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: out of it. And when you get yourself out of it,

996
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 1: you think it's a sense of achievement, isn't it? It's

997
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: like wow? You know if I can get myself out

998
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: of Afghanistan and I can get myself out of Wow.

999
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: And again not glorifying it, but what else can I do?

1000
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's difficult because you have them days where the

1001
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 2: other days where you forget who you are you are

1002
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: everyone has, you know, house switched or whatever. People wake

1003
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 2: up and have them days where you just don't want

1004
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 2: to do any anymore. It's not about having those days,

1005
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: It's about how what am I going to do today

1006
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: to make it not that day. You know, what am

1007
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: I going to do? And it could be something as

1008
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: simple as I didn't cleaned the pots last night. I

1009
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 2: would never do that. Things like example, and I didn't

1010
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: fold that T shirt last night, or didn't pay that

1011
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: bill yesterday. I didn't, I didn't walk the dog yesterday.

1012
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: I need to do that. Today's small games because that

1013
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: could be one hundred of them in the day, you know.

1014
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: And it's not about making these big movements and making

1015
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: them you know, you know I need to land them

1016
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: million dollar contracts. You know that all that kind of

1017
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 2: stuff is it's just little things that matter, the keen

1018
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: nuances that that changed big big things over and over again,

1019
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: like small the small things.

1020
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, really no, it is, mate, It's really important. And

1021
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: it is, you know, especially with people like us who

1022
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: who the big is. Actually the big things are the

1023
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: easy things. You know, asked me to charge through a

1024
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: fucking compound, ask me, I mean the big things that

1025
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: it is like, it's the small things that I go right.

1026
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: I need to get this right. I need to attend

1027
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: you to detail to you know, because like you said,

1028
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: all those small things end up to the big thing

1029
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: that you know, you could have prevented in the first place.

1030
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: So it's like you said, mate, it's the warning size.

1031
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: But but you know when you just mentioned that you

1032
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: left at twenty one, you know you joined it. You're

1033
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: fucking still you know, and again excuse it for no one.

1034
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: It's still a child, mate. Yeah, your brain hasn't fully developed,

1035
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, your your you're you are, You're still a

1036
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: child and especially and then going to prison as well

1037
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: at your age. How old are you now?

1038
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 2: Give thirty six? So I came out. I came out

1039
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 2: of thirty thirty six last week? How you came so?

1040
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: So I came out it came out to thirty So yeah, yeah,

1041
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: I guess just cut it on the last point. There

1042
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: is that again, like I've got I've got a forces

1043
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 2: veteran cloud, and the idea the modern day veteran isn't

1044
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: you know, it's not Uncle Bob sat in a wheelchair,

1045
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: you know, spending dicks and you know that's that's hound

1046
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 2: to expect, not at all like my life and ancle.

1047
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: But I'm saying what I'm trying to do is, you know,

1048
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: the day veteran they're all around there everywhere, you know,

1049
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: they're people that have experienced them and they've gone and

1050
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: live their lives and they're still thirty, they're still twenty

1051
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: five to thirty five. And so it's it's it's a

1052
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: new concept, the new things that we're doing with you know,

1053
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: even showing respect or getting people's heads around the fact

1054
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: that there app be out there that are just the

1055
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: same as you, but they have that experience and it's

1056
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: a strange concept. But the modern day veteran, like I

1057
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: said it is, is someone who is middle aged, and

1058
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: that to be the concept.

1059
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 3: We have.

1060
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: You expect someone to have a big beard, and you know,

1061
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: it's eighty plus different veteran. It's a different version. You're

1062
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: exactly right, mate, and give weave a We're running out

1063
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: of time, my friends. So last question for you, what

1064
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: are you doing now?

1065
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: Mate? So I work. I work in construction. I've got

1066
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: a few properties that I have that rent out and

1067
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: I work for a company that installs commercial fits out

1068
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: and stuff like that project managed. I do some other

1069
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: product parties of moneument on the side. I guess it's

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Speaker 2: something that I enjoy, but I like to keep fit.

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Speaker 2: I like to keep back to it. I like to

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Speaker 2: push myself. I like to motivate people. And I feel like,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the next sort of the next sort

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Speaker 2: of a couple of years of time to do something else,

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Speaker 2: people to experience that and help with people. Just a

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Speaker 2: quick note, I don't if I should it should be

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Speaker 2: saying on this platform, but we've I've just finished filming

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Speaker 2: a documentary. It's called Once Were Warriors. It's quite an

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Speaker 2: intimate documentary. It talks about people that have been deployed

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Speaker 2: and then had and then gone on in life and

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Speaker 2: what they're up to. And of course it's been ten

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Speaker 2: back from from them some areas I can understand. So

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Speaker 2: it looks at what they're up to. And there's a

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Speaker 2: few people in there, a few that are close to

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Speaker 2: me that are in that and have some significance to

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Speaker 2: the documentary. So it's called Once We Were Warriors, and

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Speaker 2: that's that's that's that's coming out soon. Not too sure

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Speaker 2: exactly what dately is, but I guess that at the

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Speaker 2: minute I'm trying to I'm at the stage where I'm

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Speaker 2: okay to tell my story and and maybe chime that

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Speaker 2: us through that.

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Speaker 1: So Gibbo, I'm gonna call you Ghibbo because of that's

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Speaker 1: you take me back. You take me back to the

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Speaker 1: days of being in the Marines, and it definitely would

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Speaker 1: have been a Gibbo. It's great to have you on mate,

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Speaker 1: Thanks ever so much and and all the best for

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Speaker 1: the future. Buddy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you for having met It's been brilliant.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me on this episode of head Game.

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