1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:13,241 Speaker 1: Apogee Production. Welcome to the Sheep Risers podcast. I'm Ashy 2 00:00:13,281 --> 00:00:16,881 Speaker 1: and I'm Tiana. This podcast is about female empowerment. 3 00:00:16,441 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: And encouraging you to be your biggest, boldest, and most 4 00:00:19,201 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: authentic version of yourself. 5 00:00:20,961 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: We help you shed the shame, grow to a new level. 6 00:00:23,321 --> 00:00:26,241 Speaker 1: We're gonna laugh, cry, and talk about the topics everyone 7 00:00:26,281 --> 00:00:27,801 Speaker 1: else is too afraid to talk about. 8 00:00:28,401 --> 00:00:30,761 Speaker 2: Get ready for your next level of self. 9 00:00:31,641 --> 00:00:32,641 Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. 10 00:00:32,641 --> 00:00:35,001 Speaker 2: Today's episode it's all about how to stop being an 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,241 Speaker 2: anxious mess when he pulls away and stop falling into 12 00:00:38,321 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: an emotional heap. So we're gonna share a little bit 13 00:00:41,561 --> 00:00:44,641 Speaker 2: about maybe times in the past where we've fallen anxious, 14 00:00:44,801 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: how we moved out of it, some tools that are 15 00:00:46,921 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: going to help you kind of bring yourself back to basis, 16 00:00:49,161 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: and what's really going to help you come into like 17 00:00:51,561 --> 00:00:56,121 Speaker 2: a really solid foundation in yourself whilst you're navigating relationships. 18 00:00:56,441 --> 00:00:57,481 Speaker 1: Love it so. 19 00:00:57,521 --> 00:01:00,121 Speaker 2: Really hard one. Relationships can be really challenging. 20 00:00:59,881 --> 00:01:01,761 Speaker 1: Really challenging. Before we get into it, though, what's your 21 00:01:01,761 --> 00:01:02,281 Speaker 1: share of the week? 22 00:01:02,361 --> 00:01:04,801 Speaker 2: Absolutely, my share of the week is actually just my 23 00:01:05,881 --> 00:01:08,521 Speaker 2: Oh I love it. It's called my new life. Actually 24 00:01:08,561 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: shared this on a podcast but I thought i'd put 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 2: it in here. It's My New Life by Tea Dash 26 00:01:14,041 --> 00:01:16,801 Speaker 2: Wild with Double D And this is the playlist that 27 00:01:16,801 --> 00:01:18,521 Speaker 2: I was listening to in Bali when I was on 28 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: the back of the mopeds and it was like my 29 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: freedom playlist and that's what I like kind of labeled 30 00:01:22,881 --> 00:01:24,601 Speaker 2: it in my head. So if you're ever looking for 31 00:01:25,081 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: feel good music that just like is uplifting, It doesn't 32 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 2: have any derogatory language or anything like that and you 33 00:01:30,321 --> 00:01:32,881 Speaker 2: want to feel good, highly recommend listening to it on 34 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,481 Speaker 2: your next book. 35 00:01:33,681 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: Love that Mine is a protein powder, Oh, bring it in. 36 00:01:38,121 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: I have recently started tracking my macros and just learning 37 00:01:40,881 --> 00:01:45,041 Speaker 1: about what I need, and I definitely find it hard 38 00:01:45,041 --> 00:01:47,681 Speaker 1: to hit my protein amount each day. So if I 39 00:01:47,681 --> 00:01:49,001 Speaker 1: get to the end of the day and I haven't 40 00:01:49,081 --> 00:01:50,881 Speaker 1: hit it, I just have a protein jake. Yeah, and 41 00:01:50,921 --> 00:01:54,521 Speaker 1: the passion fruit vegan protein water. If you have not 42 00:01:54,561 --> 00:01:57,401 Speaker 1: tried protein water, it is so good. I definitely prefer 43 00:01:57,481 --> 00:02:00,321 Speaker 1: protein water over milky proteins now, yes, it's definitely. It's 44 00:02:00,361 --> 00:02:02,081 Speaker 1: just so refreshing, and you can add it with soda 45 00:02:02,121 --> 00:02:04,121 Speaker 1: water or just normal water, but it tastes like pisito. 46 00:02:04,521 --> 00:02:06,881 Speaker 1: It's so oh yummy. There's a tropical one, there's a 47 00:02:06,881 --> 00:02:10,641 Speaker 1: peach and apple one. There's a great one. But with 48 00:02:10,681 --> 00:02:12,721 Speaker 1: the protein waters, get the vegan not the way. The 49 00:02:12,721 --> 00:02:14,681 Speaker 1: way ones have a creamy undertone, which I feel like 50 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,321 Speaker 1: for protein water you don't want. Yeah, so go the 51 00:02:16,401 --> 00:02:18,561 Speaker 1: vegan one. It's so much yammy. It's to the Happy Way. 52 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,041 Speaker 1: But it's just so friakin delicious, the passion fruit vegan one. 53 00:02:22,201 --> 00:02:23,961 Speaker 2: When Ash first showed me this, I was like, I 54 00:02:24,041 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: need that for my whole life, you know, a lifetime supply. 55 00:02:27,041 --> 00:02:29,481 Speaker 1: I go through it so quick, delicious, and I'm the same. 56 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,241 Speaker 2: I don't really like the milky stuff either, so if 57 00:02:31,281 --> 00:02:33,041 Speaker 2: I can avoid that, I will, And it just feels 58 00:02:33,081 --> 00:02:34,161 Speaker 2: like a fruity drink. 59 00:02:34,201 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: It's so nice coming what is it? Spring? 60 00:02:37,281 --> 00:02:39,081 Speaker 2: And summer now too, so it's like the perfect weather 61 00:02:39,121 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: for it's cool. 62 00:02:39,721 --> 00:02:42,481 Speaker 1: I've also been an ambassador for Happyway since they first started. 63 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,841 Speaker 1: So the owner of Happyway actually used to work for me. 64 00:02:45,081 --> 00:02:46,921 Speaker 1: Oh wow. So he was a head trainer for the 65 00:02:46,921 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: ashevines pick Anybody Challenge in Adelaide. Yeah, and then yeah, 66 00:02:50,161 --> 00:02:52,601 Speaker 1: he's developed Hapfyway and I was their very first ambassador 67 00:02:52,601 --> 00:02:55,121 Speaker 1: and i'm their longest standing ambassador. Wow. So yeah, I've 68 00:02:55,121 --> 00:02:56,881 Speaker 1: got a couple of flavors in collaboration with them and 69 00:02:56,921 --> 00:02:59,161 Speaker 1: an ongoing discoont code. If you guys need protein powders, 70 00:02:59,201 --> 00:03:02,201 Speaker 1: They're all natural, They're absolutely delicious. They have so many flavors. 71 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,441 Speaker 1: You can just use ashy at checkout. I'll save you 72 00:03:04,481 --> 00:03:07,041 Speaker 1: some money. But how they recommend writing down, but write 73 00:03:07,081 --> 00:03:11,321 Speaker 1: it down shopping now alrighty, let's get into it. We 74 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:13,361 Speaker 1: I feel like good people to talk about this because 75 00:03:13,361 --> 00:03:14,241 Speaker 1: we have been anxious. 76 00:03:14,281 --> 00:03:16,721 Speaker 2: Oh We've been anxious girlies through and through, and this 77 00:03:16,761 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: is why we connect so much. 78 00:03:18,761 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Was it you that said that in a lot of 79 00:03:20,561 --> 00:03:25,081 Speaker 1: relationship dynamics, you'll attract the opposite. So anxious will attract 80 00:03:25,161 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: a avoidant and then you learn to like heal each other. 81 00:03:28,121 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: I feel like we've probably had many conversations about that, 82 00:03:30,841 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: but yeah, it's usually what happens. They call it like 83 00:03:33,001 --> 00:03:35,681 Speaker 2: that anxious avoidant trap. They call it that because it's 84 00:03:35,721 --> 00:03:36,321 Speaker 2: quite intense. 85 00:03:36,681 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 86 00:03:37,001 --> 00:03:38,801 Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you've read the book Attached by doctor 87 00:03:38,841 --> 00:03:41,481 Speaker 2: Adam Levine, you'll understand a little bit more about that. 88 00:03:41,521 --> 00:03:44,481 Speaker 2: And if you haven't, you can read it's really really good. Yeah, 89 00:03:44,521 --> 00:03:48,121 Speaker 2: It talks about how because when an anxious is anxious, 90 00:03:48,601 --> 00:03:51,481 Speaker 2: their natural coping mechanisms to lean in, in in, yeah, 91 00:03:51,521 --> 00:03:54,041 Speaker 2: whereas like an avoidant is like as soon as things 92 00:03:54,041 --> 00:03:56,241 Speaker 2: get too hot and heavy, they want to run away, 93 00:03:56,681 --> 00:03:59,201 Speaker 2: so they naturally have this push and pulled dynamic or 94 00:03:59,201 --> 00:04:01,561 Speaker 2: it's almost like cat and mouse. So the closer you get, 95 00:04:01,561 --> 00:04:03,441 Speaker 2: the further they get. Yeah, that's why they call it 96 00:04:03,481 --> 00:04:06,521 Speaker 2: a trap, because it's hard to get out of unless 97 00:04:06,601 --> 00:04:08,281 Speaker 2: both partners are super conscious about it. 98 00:04:08,321 --> 00:04:10,681 Speaker 1: Steve and I have played that role for sure. Not anymore, 99 00:04:10,761 --> 00:04:12,961 Speaker 1: but for the first part of our relationship. For a 100 00:04:13,001 --> 00:04:15,441 Speaker 1: long time, he was more avoidant and just would shut down. 101 00:04:15,601 --> 00:04:18,161 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily like run away, but emotionally, yeah, he 102 00:04:18,161 --> 00:04:20,881 Speaker 1: would shut down and avoid and I was really anxious 103 00:04:20,921 --> 00:04:22,361 Speaker 1: and wanted to sort things out on the spot and 104 00:04:22,401 --> 00:04:24,001 Speaker 1: like talk to that sort of out because I could 105 00:04:24,081 --> 00:04:26,081 Speaker 1: not go to bed angry. Yeah, go to bed if 106 00:04:26,121 --> 00:04:27,761 Speaker 1: we weren't sorted in together. 107 00:04:27,921 --> 00:04:29,881 Speaker 2: We're resolving it now, Yeah, resolver it now. 108 00:04:29,921 --> 00:04:31,881 Speaker 1: But it would just make him shut down more because 109 00:04:32,121 --> 00:04:35,041 Speaker 1: coming in anxious, I'm coming with quite an intense energy 110 00:04:35,561 --> 00:04:39,281 Speaker 1: and quite an anxious energy, and that felt overwhelming for him. Yeah, 111 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,521 Speaker 1: so over the years we've learned to just soothe ourselves 112 00:04:43,561 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: first and regulate before we come in like that. But 113 00:04:46,281 --> 00:04:48,241 Speaker 1: I don't feel like he's as avoidant anymore, and I'm 114 00:04:48,281 --> 00:04:50,681 Speaker 1: not as anxious anymore. I feel like we've kind of 115 00:04:50,761 --> 00:04:52,761 Speaker 1: healed a lot of that, which is cool. But there's 116 00:04:52,761 --> 00:04:54,761 Speaker 1: a conversation is like, what to do when your partner 117 00:04:54,801 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: does want to run away? How do you cope? How 118 00:04:57,161 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: do you manage? For me? Over the years, I've definitely 119 00:05:00,481 --> 00:05:02,841 Speaker 1: learned to read the room. There's a time and place 120 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,081 Speaker 1: to have a hard conversation, and everyone processes things really differently, 121 00:05:07,361 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: I know, even for myself. Now, the more I've come 122 00:05:09,361 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: into myself, the more I actually need space to just 123 00:05:11,521 --> 00:05:14,121 Speaker 1: process and regulate myself before I can have a conversation. 124 00:05:14,401 --> 00:05:17,401 Speaker 1: Whereas when I was anxious, I was not breathing. Yeah, 125 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,921 Speaker 1: I was coming in hot and heavy and just so 126 00:05:20,041 --> 00:05:23,001 Speaker 1: scared of the abandonment and the rejection that it would 127 00:05:23,001 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: just like spit out whatever came up. Foras now I 128 00:05:25,281 --> 00:05:27,681 Speaker 1: need space to just calm, even go to a girlfriend 129 00:05:27,761 --> 00:05:29,801 Speaker 1: or go to nature and regulate myself before I go 130 00:05:29,841 --> 00:05:33,281 Speaker 1: to him, and same vice versa. So we've had a 131 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,681 Speaker 1: lot of conversations around how that looks, and also asking 132 00:05:36,761 --> 00:05:39,281 Speaker 1: to like do you have space to talk about this 133 00:05:39,361 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: has been really important because even that question, it's like 134 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: they can take a moment to think like do I 135 00:05:43,761 --> 00:05:45,681 Speaker 1: actually have the capacity to talk about this right now? 136 00:05:46,161 --> 00:05:49,801 Speaker 1: If they don't, it's then asking when do you have it? 137 00:05:49,841 --> 00:05:52,201 Speaker 1: So for an anxious asking when can you have space, 138 00:05:52,641 --> 00:05:54,361 Speaker 1: then you've got reassurance it's not going to get swept 139 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,641 Speaker 1: under the rug or forgot about. Yeah, we're going to 140 00:05:56,681 --> 00:05:58,321 Speaker 1: come back tomorrow at this time and we're going to 141 00:05:58,401 --> 00:06:01,161 Speaker 1: have this conversation. So anxious can then be like, Okay, 142 00:06:01,201 --> 00:06:02,721 Speaker 1: they're not going to forget about me. Yeah, and I 143 00:06:02,801 --> 00:06:06,281 Speaker 1: have to just park how I feel, reconnect. We're all good, 144 00:06:06,281 --> 00:06:07,961 Speaker 1: and that reassurance is there, and I find that's been 145 00:06:07,961 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: really helpful. 146 00:06:08,601 --> 00:06:10,841 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're also not guessing like when are 147 00:06:10,841 --> 00:06:11,881 Speaker 2: we going to have that conversation? 148 00:06:12,161 --> 00:06:13,361 Speaker 1: Oh, we're ever going to have the. 149 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,041 Speaker 2: Conversation or is this just going to get swept under 150 00:06:15,041 --> 00:06:16,481 Speaker 2: the rock like done before? 151 00:06:16,641 --> 00:06:17,521 Speaker 1: Yeah? 152 00:06:17,641 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: Oh, such an interesting one. I remember in this one 153 00:06:20,481 --> 00:06:23,921 Speaker 2: specific relationship, I was very anxious, and there were a 154 00:06:23,961 --> 00:06:26,601 Speaker 2: couple of different components to why I was anxious. One 155 00:06:26,641 --> 00:06:29,161 Speaker 2: because I don't think I'd ever felt for anybody like 156 00:06:29,201 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: I felt for him, and so I was just like, 157 00:06:31,361 --> 00:06:33,681 Speaker 2: oh my god. My fear of abandon was just like, hello, 158 00:06:34,601 --> 00:06:36,481 Speaker 2: I am here, I am feeling I love not going, 159 00:06:36,681 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: or you thought I was gone because you were single haha, yep, right, 160 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:42,561 Speaker 2: And yeah there was that, and then there was like 161 00:06:42,601 --> 00:06:44,841 Speaker 2: his partner, his behavior and his need to like lean 162 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,041 Speaker 2: out and avoidance, and like in our relationship dynamic, he 163 00:06:48,121 --> 00:06:51,241 Speaker 2: had explored the most depth emotionally with me, which is 164 00:06:51,281 --> 00:06:52,801 Speaker 2: beautiful and I'm so grateful that I could have let 165 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,361 Speaker 2: him in that. But it also meant that I was 166 00:06:54,361 --> 00:06:56,601 Speaker 2: like the trial and error person. So it was like, yes, 167 00:06:56,841 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: I got all of the anxious avoidance stuff. And I 168 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,001 Speaker 2: think for me, what I used to struggle with was 169 00:07:03,041 --> 00:07:06,001 Speaker 2: that it would feel like the end of the world. Yeah, 170 00:07:06,041 --> 00:07:07,921 Speaker 2: like when I was in my anxiousness and it was 171 00:07:07,961 --> 00:07:10,561 Speaker 2: like my peak anxiousness, not just oh I feel a 172 00:07:10,561 --> 00:07:14,041 Speaker 2: bit off, like I cannot breathe right now, I'm borderline 173 00:07:14,081 --> 00:07:16,961 Speaker 2: panic attack. It felt like the world was ending, and 174 00:07:17,001 --> 00:07:19,081 Speaker 2: it felt like this person was going to leave me 175 00:07:19,241 --> 00:07:21,241 Speaker 2: and I was going to lose everything. Like That's how 176 00:07:21,241 --> 00:07:23,441 Speaker 2: it felt for me at the moment. And I think 177 00:07:23,481 --> 00:07:26,561 Speaker 2: the way that I helped myself kind of soothe was 178 00:07:26,641 --> 00:07:29,161 Speaker 2: really learning like a lot of breathing techniques and just 179 00:07:29,521 --> 00:07:33,361 Speaker 2: relying on YouTube and relying on nervous system regulation and 180 00:07:33,441 --> 00:07:36,921 Speaker 2: learning how to like parent myself, you know, that inner 181 00:07:36,961 --> 00:07:38,521 Speaker 2: child healing, you know, even if it's just like the 182 00:07:39,001 --> 00:07:41,641 Speaker 2: wrapping your arms around yourself and just like rocking side 183 00:07:41,681 --> 00:07:43,961 Speaker 2: to side, like for me, that really helped me. Like 184 00:07:44,281 --> 00:07:46,121 Speaker 2: I remember this one time I was super anxious and 185 00:07:46,121 --> 00:07:47,441 Speaker 2: I was sitting in a park and I was like 186 00:07:47,601 --> 00:07:50,161 Speaker 2: borderline having a panic attack. And it was because we 187 00:07:50,201 --> 00:07:51,841 Speaker 2: had had a fight and I thought he was gonna leave. 188 00:07:52,161 --> 00:07:54,441 Speaker 2: And I remember wrapping my arms around myself and I 189 00:07:54,521 --> 00:07:56,641 Speaker 2: just was literally in public, like on a park bench 190 00:07:56,721 --> 00:07:58,721 Speaker 2: or something, and I put my legs up so like 191 00:07:58,761 --> 00:08:00,961 Speaker 2: my knees were like up around my chest, my arms 192 00:08:00,961 --> 00:08:02,521 Speaker 2: were around my body, and I just closed my eyes 193 00:08:02,561 --> 00:08:04,721 Speaker 2: and I started rocking side to side and I just 194 00:08:04,801 --> 00:08:07,601 Speaker 2: was like like you're okay, Like you're okay, And I 195 00:08:07,681 --> 00:08:11,521 Speaker 2: just kept doing that until my breath got slower and 196 00:08:11,521 --> 00:08:14,321 Speaker 2: I felt safer and I felt more comfortable, and I 197 00:08:14,361 --> 00:08:16,161 Speaker 2: was like wow, Like it took me a good ten 198 00:08:16,201 --> 00:08:18,161 Speaker 2: minutes for me to do this before I could regulate. 199 00:08:18,521 --> 00:08:21,561 Speaker 2: But learning little things like that really helped me when 200 00:08:21,601 --> 00:08:24,721 Speaker 2: I was at my peak, you know, and also addressing 201 00:08:24,841 --> 00:08:27,041 Speaker 2: the fear that I was feeling too, because I was 202 00:08:27,121 --> 00:08:30,001 Speaker 2: so terrified that people would leave because I had experienced 203 00:08:30,041 --> 00:08:31,921 Speaker 2: that in the past. You know, I made up stories 204 00:08:31,921 --> 00:08:35,241 Speaker 2: in my head that the people that I loved always left, 205 00:08:35,641 --> 00:08:37,521 Speaker 2: and so then I started to get into this habit 206 00:08:37,561 --> 00:08:40,081 Speaker 2: of like leaving before people would leave me, oh, you know, 207 00:08:40,161 --> 00:08:41,921 Speaker 2: because I was so scared, you know, I didn't know 208 00:08:41,961 --> 00:08:44,561 Speaker 2: how to deal with that fear. But I think one 209 00:08:44,561 --> 00:08:46,521 Speaker 2: of the biggest things that really helped me, which I 210 00:08:46,521 --> 00:08:49,321 Speaker 2: feel will help you, is like give yourself permission to 211 00:08:49,401 --> 00:08:51,601 Speaker 2: sit with the fear, you know, like don't try to. 212 00:08:51,641 --> 00:08:52,161 Speaker 1: Run from it. 213 00:08:52,281 --> 00:08:54,281 Speaker 2: Just don't try to reason with it and try to 214 00:08:54,481 --> 00:08:57,081 Speaker 2: squash it or try to gaslight yourself into thinking that 215 00:08:57,121 --> 00:08:59,721 Speaker 2: you're not scared, because it's also okay that you feel scared, 216 00:08:59,881 --> 00:09:04,561 Speaker 2: Like relationships are hard, and vulnerability is scary, and intimacy 217 00:09:05,081 --> 00:09:07,521 Speaker 2: can bring up your biggest wounds and it does, you know, 218 00:09:07,681 --> 00:09:10,681 Speaker 2: So just giving yourself partition to sit with the fear 219 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:14,241 Speaker 2: of loss, because that's what it is, you know, and 220 00:09:14,281 --> 00:09:17,881 Speaker 2: when I made friends with that fear, I was like, Okay, 221 00:09:17,921 --> 00:09:20,441 Speaker 2: Like this is so uncomfortable and I hate sitting in it, 222 00:09:20,441 --> 00:09:22,041 Speaker 2: but I'm just gonna sit with it and just not 223 00:09:22,081 --> 00:09:23,641 Speaker 2: make a big deal out of it. And the more 224 00:09:23,681 --> 00:09:26,001 Speaker 2: they did that, the more that it dissolved, and then 225 00:09:26,041 --> 00:09:27,201 Speaker 2: the less I was afraid of it. 226 00:09:27,281 --> 00:09:31,081 Speaker 1: That's cool with everything, Hey acknowledging all of your emotions, 227 00:09:31,161 --> 00:09:33,481 Speaker 1: not laborly them as good or bad. It's like, if 228 00:09:33,481 --> 00:09:35,401 Speaker 1: you're sad, you're sad. If you're happy, you're happy. If 229 00:09:35,401 --> 00:09:37,201 Speaker 1: you're frustrated, you fresh. If you're angry, you're angry. If 230 00:09:37,201 --> 00:09:40,441 Speaker 1: you're excited, you're excited. You're all emotional feelings. You all 231 00:09:40,481 --> 00:09:42,841 Speaker 1: get to feel every single day like you can't label 232 00:09:42,841 --> 00:09:44,881 Speaker 1: them as bad. Then you suppress them, yes, and then 233 00:09:44,881 --> 00:09:46,641 Speaker 1: it just builds up bigger in your head and build 234 00:09:46,721 --> 00:09:50,081 Speaker 1: up bigger in your body, more anxiety, and can show 235 00:09:50,161 --> 00:09:52,321 Speaker 1: up in really not nice ways for yourself. It gets 236 00:09:52,441 --> 00:09:53,081 Speaker 1: worse too. 237 00:09:53,241 --> 00:09:55,761 Speaker 2: And I remember when I was scared of the fear, 238 00:09:55,921 --> 00:09:58,401 Speaker 2: scared of someone leaving or for my ex partner, I 239 00:09:58,441 --> 00:10:01,241 Speaker 2: thought he was going to leave it. Actually that fear 240 00:10:01,281 --> 00:10:04,561 Speaker 2: came out in behaviors me. It became out like I 241 00:10:04,601 --> 00:10:07,001 Speaker 2: would rab for him and like need his attention. 242 00:10:07,241 --> 00:10:08,681 Speaker 1: Do you love me? Do you are you leaving? Are 243 00:10:08,721 --> 00:10:09,201 Speaker 1: you going to stay? 244 00:10:09,241 --> 00:10:11,961 Speaker 2: Like lots of reassurance, lots of reassurance, and like overly 245 00:10:12,001 --> 00:10:14,401 Speaker 2: ask for those things because I was just so terrified 246 00:10:14,401 --> 00:10:15,001 Speaker 2: that he would leave. 247 00:10:15,041 --> 00:10:15,761 Speaker 1: I didn't feel good. 248 00:10:15,921 --> 00:10:18,881 Speaker 2: Well, no, because that in itself is like sabotaging the 249 00:10:18,961 --> 00:10:22,481 Speaker 2: relationship because I was needing him to reassure me because 250 00:10:22,481 --> 00:10:24,561 Speaker 2: I didn't know how to do that myself, you know. 251 00:10:24,641 --> 00:10:26,681 Speaker 2: So it was like I couldn't be a solid foundation 252 00:10:27,401 --> 00:10:29,081 Speaker 2: that I was like, please, I need you to help 253 00:10:29,121 --> 00:10:31,361 Speaker 2: me without knowing how to do that for myself. 254 00:10:31,681 --> 00:10:33,761 Speaker 1: Such a skill to be able to soothe yourself, Oh 255 00:10:33,801 --> 00:10:35,321 Speaker 1: for sure, everyone needs to learn that. 256 00:10:35,481 --> 00:10:37,281 Speaker 2: But that was the thing that kind of helped me 257 00:10:37,361 --> 00:10:42,241 Speaker 2: soothe my anxious attachment, you know, and also the relationship. 258 00:10:42,321 --> 00:10:44,481 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that, but I didn't know how 259 00:10:44,561 --> 00:10:45,361 Speaker 1: else to say it. 260 00:10:47,241 --> 00:10:49,201 Speaker 2: That's exactly the words I was going to say. 261 00:10:49,041 --> 00:10:51,961 Speaker 1: Because it was a mix of your anxiousness and his behavior, 262 00:10:52,241 --> 00:10:55,561 Speaker 1: behavior and the lack of growth moving through it together. Correct. 263 00:10:55,641 --> 00:10:57,561 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was, yes, my wounds were showing up, 264 00:10:57,601 --> 00:10:59,961 Speaker 2: but also it was his behavior as well. So leaving 265 00:10:59,961 --> 00:11:02,721 Speaker 2: the relationship also was like a huge relief on my 266 00:11:02,761 --> 00:11:05,321 Speaker 2: nervous system. And then I could come back into like 267 00:11:05,521 --> 00:11:08,681 Speaker 2: focus and now in relationships, like even if it pops 268 00:11:08,721 --> 00:11:10,681 Speaker 2: up with us or anyone else in my life, it 269 00:11:10,681 --> 00:11:11,961 Speaker 2: doesn't come up in the way that it used to, 270 00:11:12,001 --> 00:11:14,641 Speaker 2: know because I feel so much more secure in myself 271 00:11:15,121 --> 00:11:18,081 Speaker 2: because one, I'm more grounded. I know how to regulate better. 272 00:11:18,161 --> 00:11:20,361 Speaker 2: I getting better at doing that. I'm not perfect, but 273 00:11:20,361 --> 00:11:23,201 Speaker 2: I'm better at it. And I have safe people in 274 00:11:23,241 --> 00:11:23,721 Speaker 2: my life. 275 00:11:23,881 --> 00:11:26,521 Speaker 1: You know how to communicate well too, Yes, which is 276 00:11:26,561 --> 00:11:28,481 Speaker 1: a huge part of it as well, because it's not 277 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:31,241 Speaker 1: scary for the receiver. Yes, when you come in with that. 278 00:11:31,321 --> 00:11:34,241 Speaker 2: Those were really helpful things for me. And I say 279 00:11:34,281 --> 00:11:36,641 Speaker 2: it because when you're in that anxiousness and you feel 280 00:11:36,681 --> 00:11:39,081 Speaker 2: like your partner's going to leave, it feels like the 281 00:11:39,121 --> 00:11:41,681 Speaker 2: scariest thing in the world. It's like you can't focus 282 00:11:41,721 --> 00:11:43,801 Speaker 2: on anything else. You can't focus on your work, you 283 00:11:43,801 --> 00:11:45,601 Speaker 2: can't show up. If you're a parent, I'm sure you 284 00:11:45,641 --> 00:11:49,201 Speaker 2: can't parent properly. It consumes you entirely. When you were 285 00:11:49,201 --> 00:11:50,121 Speaker 2: in your anxious attachment. 286 00:11:51,161 --> 00:11:52,721 Speaker 1: I think when I was first got with Steve too. 287 00:11:52,721 --> 00:11:55,441 Speaker 1: I was super codependent on him and so anxious. I 288 00:11:55,561 --> 00:11:57,521 Speaker 1: felt like I was going to die something happened to us. 289 00:11:58,081 --> 00:12:00,721 Speaker 1: And what helped me also is actually having my own 290 00:12:00,761 --> 00:12:04,241 Speaker 1: life outside of him. Yes, and I do this very 291 00:12:04,241 --> 00:12:06,801 Speaker 1: well now, very well balanced and everything that I do. 292 00:12:06,881 --> 00:12:09,961 Speaker 1: But yeah, having hobbies, having friends, having things look forward to, 293 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:13,241 Speaker 1: not having my whole life revolve around him, and it 294 00:12:13,281 --> 00:12:16,001 Speaker 1: helped me grow my independence and my confidence to be 295 00:12:16,081 --> 00:12:18,721 Speaker 1: without him. But then I realized and could have the 296 00:12:18,721 --> 00:12:21,481 Speaker 1: conversation with myself of I'm with this man because I 297 00:12:21,561 --> 00:12:24,241 Speaker 1: want to be here, not because I need to be here, 298 00:12:24,601 --> 00:12:28,081 Speaker 1: And that's such a different energy in an intimate relationship 299 00:12:28,161 --> 00:12:30,161 Speaker 1: or being there because you want to because it's the 300 00:12:30,201 --> 00:12:32,281 Speaker 1: need and your people they're going to leave or like 301 00:12:32,361 --> 00:12:35,161 Speaker 1: I might die of this person. Situlate my life healthy, No. 302 00:12:35,201 --> 00:12:38,521 Speaker 2: It's not, because that in itself, it makes you reliant 303 00:12:38,521 --> 00:12:39,561 Speaker 2: on somebody. 304 00:12:39,161 --> 00:12:41,121 Speaker 1: And that feels heavy for them as well. It's a 305 00:12:41,121 --> 00:12:44,241 Speaker 1: lot to carry. So having your own things outside of 306 00:12:44,241 --> 00:12:50,641 Speaker 1: the relationship is really healthy. Hobbies, friends, interests, goals, personal things. 307 00:12:50,641 --> 00:12:51,521 Speaker 1: It's so important. 308 00:12:51,641 --> 00:12:54,041 Speaker 2: You know what else that's really powerful for is when 309 00:12:54,081 --> 00:12:56,761 Speaker 2: things aren't going right in the relationship, you have other 310 00:12:56,841 --> 00:12:59,481 Speaker 2: things to fall back off, because let's say, do what 311 00:12:59,561 --> 00:13:02,561 Speaker 2: I did in this relationship, I didn't have anything outside. 312 00:13:02,601 --> 00:13:06,041 Speaker 2: I wasn't prioritizing my friends, I wasn't tizing my purpose. 313 00:13:06,081 --> 00:13:07,841 Speaker 2: I wasn't doing all those things because I made the 314 00:13:07,921 --> 00:13:11,041 Speaker 2: relationship my sole focus. And then he became my everything, 315 00:13:11,081 --> 00:13:13,921 Speaker 2: which puts so much pressure on him. And so because 316 00:13:14,001 --> 00:13:17,081 Speaker 2: he became my everything when things were bad between us, 317 00:13:17,401 --> 00:13:20,561 Speaker 2: everything was crumbling. Yes, but because I didn't have those 318 00:13:20,601 --> 00:13:22,921 Speaker 2: other things in my life that stabilized me, you know, 319 00:13:22,961 --> 00:13:25,401 Speaker 2: they were my stabilizers. Like right now, you're a stabilizer 320 00:13:25,401 --> 00:13:28,641 Speaker 2: for me, you know, and forever. Please don't believe. 321 00:13:28,401 --> 00:13:30,521 Speaker 1: Me anywhere there's that anxiousness. 322 00:13:30,641 --> 00:13:33,121 Speaker 2: You're not anxious anymore, No, you know what I mean. 323 00:13:33,121 --> 00:13:35,841 Speaker 2: And you are a stabilizer solely for me. And then 324 00:13:35,881 --> 00:13:37,721 Speaker 2: I've got other friends and family in my life who 325 00:13:37,761 --> 00:13:41,441 Speaker 2: are stabilizers. And then my purpose, my passion, she rises, 326 00:13:41,481 --> 00:13:46,041 Speaker 2: my coaching business. These are all stabilizers that actors like legs, yeah, 327 00:13:46,081 --> 00:13:49,641 Speaker 2: my foundation, you know. So when one leg gets knocked out, 328 00:13:49,681 --> 00:13:53,641 Speaker 2: which is the relationship temporarily, and you're feeling anxious, you're stable. 329 00:13:54,361 --> 00:13:56,121 Speaker 2: You're not crumbling like a house of bricks. 330 00:13:56,281 --> 00:13:57,761 Speaker 1: You know if you said that, because I remember seeing 331 00:13:57,761 --> 00:13:59,201 Speaker 1: this girl, I won't say. She has been on social 332 00:13:59,201 --> 00:14:02,321 Speaker 1: media and she went through a very public breakup and 333 00:14:02,321 --> 00:14:04,161 Speaker 1: I remember doing a video because someone had said to her, 334 00:14:04,161 --> 00:14:05,961 Speaker 1: looks like your coke pin your breakup, and you guys 335 00:14:05,961 --> 00:14:08,681 Speaker 1: I have because they've got really good friends and family, 336 00:14:09,401 --> 00:14:11,441 Speaker 1: So like, yes, it her, But I'm not crumbling into 337 00:14:11,441 --> 00:14:13,201 Speaker 1: a million pieces because I've got other people in my 338 00:14:13,241 --> 00:14:14,721 Speaker 1: life that I really love and care about, so it 339 00:14:14,801 --> 00:14:17,121 Speaker 1: doesn't feel as hard as what maybe it would for 340 00:14:17,121 --> 00:14:19,281 Speaker 1: someone else that didn't have anyone and then they're actually 341 00:14:19,321 --> 00:14:21,041 Speaker 1: lonely ers. I don't get a chance to be lonely 342 00:14:21,121 --> 00:14:22,921 Speaker 1: because I've got some new good people around me. And 343 00:14:22,961 --> 00:14:26,361 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, that's really cool, it's really nice. Yeah, 344 00:14:27,161 --> 00:14:30,361 Speaker 1: that's so beautiful. What we all should have absolutely village 345 00:14:30,361 --> 00:14:33,081 Speaker 1: around us that if she falls to pieces, you've got 346 00:14:33,121 --> 00:14:34,801 Speaker 1: people that to help you pick the pieces back up. 347 00:14:36,361 --> 00:14:39,001 Speaker 1: We love the village. We do love a village. It's 348 00:14:39,041 --> 00:14:41,601 Speaker 1: not the Australian culture but not, but we're making it. 349 00:14:42,041 --> 00:14:44,201 Speaker 1: Which we're making it. We're want a compound. We are. 350 00:14:45,241 --> 00:14:45,921 Speaker 1: That's so true. 351 00:14:46,121 --> 00:14:47,561 Speaker 2: Actually sent me this thing the other day and it 352 00:14:47,641 --> 00:14:50,321 Speaker 2: was like two houses side by side. She's like, my 353 00:14:50,401 --> 00:14:53,241 Speaker 2: besties house or is it my dream my house, my 354 00:14:53,321 --> 00:14:55,521 Speaker 2: houseols everything. 355 00:14:55,561 --> 00:14:56,961 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, this is this is it? 356 00:14:57,081 --> 00:14:57,641 Speaker 2: That's the goal. 357 00:14:57,721 --> 00:14:59,921 Speaker 1: It's a drill. Oh I love that. 358 00:15:00,561 --> 00:15:04,241 Speaker 2: I think what's also important is if you can ground 359 00:15:04,281 --> 00:15:07,521 Speaker 2: yourself and learn how to manage your own emotions, you 360 00:15:07,561 --> 00:15:10,081 Speaker 2: will be a stable foundation for him as well. True, 361 00:15:10,121 --> 00:15:11,761 Speaker 2: which is really important if you're going to be in 362 00:15:11,801 --> 00:15:14,601 Speaker 2: a relationship, friendship, dynamic, whatever it is, like, you've got 363 00:15:14,641 --> 00:15:16,521 Speaker 2: to be able to be just as stable for them 364 00:15:16,641 --> 00:15:18,721 Speaker 2: as they are for you. And so if you are 365 00:15:18,721 --> 00:15:21,721 Speaker 2: falling anxious, if you can regulate yourself super quickly and 366 00:15:21,801 --> 00:15:24,721 Speaker 2: your partner pulls away, you can come back into the 367 00:15:24,801 --> 00:15:27,641 Speaker 2: dynamic in a really supportive way because you don't have 368 00:15:27,721 --> 00:15:29,001 Speaker 2: your emotions in the game. 369 00:15:29,161 --> 00:15:30,681 Speaker 1: It's so true, or you're. 370 00:15:30,521 --> 00:15:34,201 Speaker 2: Regulated, you're coming in like, hey, just checking, I've noticed 371 00:15:34,201 --> 00:15:36,281 Speaker 2: you pulled away, Like is everything okay in your life? 372 00:15:36,281 --> 00:15:38,361 Speaker 2: Like can I support you with anything? And then you're 373 00:15:38,401 --> 00:15:39,081 Speaker 2: the rock for them. 374 00:15:39,281 --> 00:15:40,081 Speaker 1: So beautiful, you know. 375 00:15:40,201 --> 00:15:42,081 Speaker 2: But then if you're an anxious mess, you can't show 376 00:15:42,161 --> 00:15:43,961 Speaker 2: up efficiently in the way that they need you to. 377 00:15:44,121 --> 00:15:46,481 Speaker 2: And sometimes if you are the one who is always 378 00:15:46,481 --> 00:15:49,441 Speaker 2: having an emotional reaction, that person may start to feel 379 00:15:49,441 --> 00:15:51,561 Speaker 2: like you're not holding space for them if you're holding 380 00:15:51,561 --> 00:15:54,361 Speaker 2: space for you. So it's just yeah, being the best 381 00:15:54,361 --> 00:15:56,961 Speaker 2: partner that you can be, but being the best version 382 00:15:57,001 --> 00:15:59,041 Speaker 2: of yourself you can be for you and then for 383 00:15:59,121 --> 00:15:59,841 Speaker 2: your partner too. 384 00:16:00,001 --> 00:16:01,801 Speaker 1: Isn't that in everything? Though? Like I just I don't 385 00:16:01,841 --> 00:16:03,601 Speaker 1: know why parenting just came up for me. Yeah, the 386 00:16:03,641 --> 00:16:05,801 Speaker 1: more grounded and regulated eye I am, the better parent 387 00:16:05,841 --> 00:16:09,481 Speaker 1: I am. Absolutely. The more I'm resting, the more I 388 00:16:09,521 --> 00:16:11,921 Speaker 1: take care of my training and my food and my sleep, 389 00:16:12,481 --> 00:16:14,121 Speaker 1: the more I can hold all of their emotions. If 390 00:16:14,161 --> 00:16:17,001 Speaker 1: I have not got sleep, their emotions I find really 391 00:16:17,001 --> 00:16:20,161 Speaker 1: hard to hold, like the noise, the yelling, or the 392 00:16:20,201 --> 00:16:22,841 Speaker 1: tantrums or them getting upset about something they're fighting. Oh 393 00:16:22,881 --> 00:16:25,681 Speaker 1: my god, it feels too much. But if I'm really 394 00:16:25,721 --> 00:16:28,201 Speaker 1: well regulated and I've trained and I've slept and feeling good, 395 00:16:28,601 --> 00:16:30,521 Speaker 1: I can hold it for a lot longer. You're like, 396 00:16:30,521 --> 00:16:32,921 Speaker 1: I've got you. Yeah, I've got you both, and we 397 00:16:32,961 --> 00:16:34,841 Speaker 1: can figure the sad and let's go outside and I 398 00:16:34,841 --> 00:16:36,361 Speaker 1: can use my tools and I can think clearly of 399 00:16:36,401 --> 00:16:39,321 Speaker 1: how to navigate it. But if I'm not good. They're 400 00:16:39,321 --> 00:16:41,041 Speaker 1: getting the rest of me rather than the best of me. 401 00:16:41,081 --> 00:16:42,601 Speaker 1: And that's why it's always so important to for your 402 00:16:42,641 --> 00:16:43,081 Speaker 1: cup up. 403 00:16:43,681 --> 00:16:45,801 Speaker 2: I think that's also to add to that, why it's 404 00:16:45,841 --> 00:16:48,001 Speaker 2: so important to have other stabilizers in your life, like 405 00:16:48,001 --> 00:16:49,721 Speaker 2: what you're talking about, like hobbies and things that are 406 00:16:49,721 --> 00:16:52,641 Speaker 2: important to you, passions, because then you're getting fulfillment from 407 00:16:52,681 --> 00:16:53,521 Speaker 2: other areas exactly. 408 00:16:53,561 --> 00:16:54,521 Speaker 1: It's not just relying on them. 409 00:16:54,601 --> 00:16:56,401 Speaker 2: Oh, you're filling up your cup in other areas. So 410 00:16:56,721 --> 00:16:58,641 Speaker 2: for the most part, your energy is at eighty percent 411 00:16:59,081 --> 00:17:01,241 Speaker 2: most of the time, instead of down at twenty because 412 00:17:01,241 --> 00:17:03,961 Speaker 2: you've got nothing. You're meeting them at eighty because you've 413 00:17:04,001 --> 00:17:06,281 Speaker 2: got like I'm happier here and I love my family, 414 00:17:06,401 --> 00:17:08,681 Speaker 2: I love my career, and I love my passions, and 415 00:17:08,721 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: my hobbies make me so happy. And then you come 416 00:17:10,801 --> 00:17:13,081 Speaker 2: into this relationship be like, I've got energy to give and. 417 00:17:13,041 --> 00:17:14,801 Speaker 1: It's like that cup analogy which I just love a 418 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,521 Speaker 1: banging on about it all the time. People probably sick 419 00:17:16,561 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: of me explaining it, but it is. It's that cup. 420 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: So if I'm feeling people wonder why I see my 421 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,801 Speaker 1: girlfriends and why I go to dance class and go 422 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: on holidays and do things that I freaking love because 423 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:26,801 Speaker 1: it fills my cup up. And guess what happens to that? 424 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,681 Speaker 1: Then it overflows, and guess who gets that? My husband, 425 00:17:29,961 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: my kids, my purpose, she rises, All the things I 426 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,281 Speaker 1: care about get this overflow. Yeah, but I don't do 427 00:17:35,321 --> 00:17:37,001 Speaker 1: any of that, and I'm running on dry I've got 428 00:17:37,041 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: nothing to out pour. They get the scraps, which is 429 00:17:39,761 --> 00:17:42,041 Speaker 1: no patience, which is I can't hold the space. I 430 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: can't regulate myself. So how am I going to regulate 431 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: my children and co suit them. I don't have the 432 00:17:46,681 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: time for my part or the energy for my partners 433 00:17:48,521 --> 00:17:51,160 Speaker 1: in a shit mood, no thank you. Yeah, I'm not 434 00:17:51,201 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: who I want to be. It's such at that cup up, 435 00:17:53,721 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: and it takes conscious energy and choice. So when I 436 00:17:57,241 --> 00:18:00,161 Speaker 1: cop shit for going on a girl's trip or going 437 00:18:00,201 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: on date night or go to a dance class when 438 00:18:02,761 --> 00:18:05,281 Speaker 1: I should be bothering my kids, It's like, Okay, you 439 00:18:05,321 --> 00:18:06,921 Speaker 1: do you, but this makes me feel good and I'd 440 00:18:06,921 --> 00:18:08,561 Speaker 1: come back and I'm a better partner and a better 441 00:18:08,681 --> 00:18:11,001 Speaker 1: parent and a better friend, and it makes me better. 442 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: So I'll continue to do that, make filling that cup up. 443 00:18:14,481 --> 00:18:17,761 Speaker 1: Yes's permission, slip yes up and also like it just 444 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,921 Speaker 1: write it down. Create you know, we love a good list. 445 00:18:21,001 --> 00:18:22,481 Speaker 1: We love a good we love a good list. 446 00:18:22,561 --> 00:18:25,161 Speaker 2: So write a list of the things that make you happy. 447 00:18:25,321 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: Like. 448 00:18:25,481 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be a big thing, it doesn't 449 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 2: have to cost money. You can be in the sun, 450 00:18:29,921 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 2: you can go for a swim, you can listen to 451 00:18:31,921 --> 00:18:36,321 Speaker 2: your Spotify, you can with a girlfriend, whatever, whatever you have. Honestly, 452 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,601 Speaker 2: highly recommend it. It's been very healing for us. 453 00:18:38,801 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it doesn't have to cost anything. No, it doesn't. 454 00:18:41,681 --> 00:18:42,961 Speaker 1: But it's also okay if a cost too. 455 00:18:43,481 --> 00:18:45,881 Speaker 2: Dance class, yes, a dance class, absolutely, But what I'm 456 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,321 Speaker 2: saying is, like this ample opportunities for you to marketings. 457 00:18:49,441 --> 00:18:52,281 Speaker 1: You know that's a good point. Yeah, we hope that 458 00:18:52,321 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: helps all that anxious girlies. And let us know if 459 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,561 Speaker 1: you'd like us to do another whole episode. I did 460 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,801 Speaker 1: see it pop up a questions box to do more 461 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: on the attachment styles. Yeah cool, Well we've done one 462 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,761 Speaker 1: a little while ago, but maybe it was ages ago. 463 00:19:02,801 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 1: I can't remember. 464 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 2: I can't remember either, but we can totally do that. 465 00:19:05,481 --> 00:19:08,761 Speaker 1: We're just anxious and disorganized. Yeah, let's see that you 466 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,281 Speaker 1: are and how they show up different in different relationships too, yeap, 467 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,041 Speaker 1: so we can talk about that. So we have maybe 468 00:19:15,041 --> 00:19:16,001 Speaker 1: we need to go back and have listen. 469 00:19:16,201 --> 00:19:18,161 Speaker 2: I don't think we've done it separate like that. Maybe 470 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: so we've probably spoken about those, but I think we 471 00:19:20,681 --> 00:19:21,721 Speaker 2: can definitely do a deep dive. 472 00:19:21,801 --> 00:19:23,121 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear from you, guys in the form 473 00:19:23,281 --> 00:19:26,801 Speaker 1: let your whole episode, explaining what each of them are, 474 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,561 Speaker 1: how they show up, and how to work through them. 475 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: Yep. 476 00:19:28,921 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: Cool sounds amazing. Thanks for listen, guys, will see in 477 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,281 Speaker 1: the next episode. Bye bye,