Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to a very special edition of Off
Speaker 1: the Record, the sports podcast of breaking news, hard opinion
Speaker 1: and a little bit of gibber, although today I expect
Speaker 1: a absolute shitload of gibber. Our guest today needs no introduction,
Speaker 1: but I will because he's kind of a big deal,
Speaker 1: as he regularly tells us. Born in Sydney on January fourteen,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, he was destined for rugby league greatness
Speaker 1: as the nephew of South Sydney legend George Piggins. An
Speaker 1: Australian schoolboy in nineteen ninety nine, he made his NFL
Speaker 1: debut for Canterbury the following year. He was so impressive
Speaker 1: in his second year he was eventually crowned the Daly
Speaker 1: m Rookie of the Year, and was so impressive in
Speaker 1: that year that he was picked for the two thousand
Speaker 1: and one Kangaroo Tour, on which he learned many things
Speaker 1: about the game of rugby league, none of which can
Speaker 1: be repeated on a family podcast like Off the Record.
Speaker 1: His rise was meteoric. He came out the other side
Speaker 1: of the Bulldogs salary cap scandal before leading the club
Speaker 1: to the four premiership in six He was out the
Speaker 1: door headed to the Sydney Roosters, which suited his glamorous
Speaker 1: lifestyle and daily appearances in Sydney Confidential. He paid for
Speaker 1: New South Wales, Australia, Greece, and of course the highlight
Speaker 1: of his career thirty one matches for the West Tigers,
Speaker 1: where things were so tight they used to ration how
Speaker 1: much gatorade was being drunk each day. Playing football was
Speaker 1: never going to satisfy the appetite of this very ambitious
Speaker 1: young go getter TV in sports management Beckon and he
Speaker 1: smashed that like he smashes a golf ball. He's a
Speaker 1: face of NRL three sixty, sporting all brown suits and
Speaker 1: teeth so bright you can see them from the International
Speaker 1: Space Station. He's one of the He's one of the
Speaker 1: hardest working blokes you'll ever meet, and easily one of
Speaker 1: the best blokes I've got to know doing this job.
Speaker 1: He is, of course, breath and NaSTA.
Speaker 2: That was the best I've ever had introductions.
Speaker 3: He's a genius.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: The white teeth got me still my favorites. I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to this.
Speaker 1: How how are you good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, really good.
Speaker 2: Busy is always buzzed and I would just winging out
Speaker 2: the back about what's on at the moment, But.
Speaker 1: How much how much work you've gone on? Did you've
Speaker 1: taken on yourselves?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: You know, no one's on the gun to both of you.
Speaker 2: True, it's so true. I tend to say yes a lot.
Speaker 2: But that's really good.
Speaker 1: Webe I can't complain at all. Last, great good stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the first question. Who sweats the most
Speaker 1: on three sixty? Me or buzz?
Speaker 2: I think I think it's you heavy naturally, But when
Speaker 2: I get buzzed with a good question, or I get
Speaker 2: him under the pump and the sweats start coming, then
Speaker 2: we go and break and he starts pacing to cool.
Speaker 4: Whenever I get worked up, I swear it and it
Speaker 4: just happens. I don't know if it's anxiety what it is,
Speaker 4: but I do want to reveal on this show. Because
Speaker 4: you cannot actually see the side of your desk. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you have a portable fan. Me, I do so you
Speaker 4: you do get edgy in that job?
Speaker 2: Or I know I have the fear there because once
Speaker 2: I got the sweats and I couldn't lose it. When
Speaker 2: you're hosting, you can't lose it. My shirt starts like
Speaker 2: getting soak and wet, and I hated the feeling.
Speaker 3: You know, you're like you boys when you start sweating.
Speaker 1: And you can't. The more you think about it, more
Speaker 1: you sweat.
Speaker 2: And I thought, you know what and Mal, because Mal
Speaker 2: has it every Saturday on Super Saturday. And I noticed that,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, can I have that fan? And I'll
Speaker 2: just I just have it there now just in case.
Speaker 2: But I don't genuinely sweat that much.
Speaker 4: You know. One of the wardrobe girls had to rush
Speaker 4: in with a blow drive for me once because it, yeah,
Speaker 4: just to drive my shirt.
Speaker 3: It's shocking for you know, you know why I sweat.
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone aout this the other week
Speaker 1: because I get so nervous about what's going to come
Speaker 1: out of my mouth, whether I'm going to fame someone
Speaker 1: or say something that I'm not supposed to say.
Speaker 3: You can get nervous about that movie.
Speaker 1: Because here I can't help must. I kind of will
Speaker 1: be honest.
Speaker 2: We're very much the same three of us, like you know,
Speaker 2: love or hate whatever. We're very strong with our opinions
Speaker 2: and we can't help ourselves sometimes I go, right tonight,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to sit back and let the other
Speaker 2: boys go. And then all of a sudden, I find
Speaker 2: myself deep into the argument saying things I would never have.
Speaker 3: Thought I would.
Speaker 4: But you know, you talk about heating up in these situations.
Speaker 4: I want to let listeners know we said here every
Speaker 4: Tuesday for this podcast, and we have an air condition
Speaker 4: above us whereb He's got it. On sixteen, it's the
Speaker 4: middle of winter.
Speaker 1: You're from the ghetto Brace. I interviewed you the first
Speaker 1: time in two thousand and two for Inside Sports magazine.
Speaker 1: You're a kid, and I was a kid basically myself,
Speaker 1: you know, and I've got to know you a lot
Speaker 1: over over over the years. How do you reflect on
Speaker 1: your football career? Let's start there. I think I remember,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember you went on the Kangaroo too
Speaker 1: with like I alluded to there, and I remember speaking
Speaker 1: to Andrew John's afterwards and he said he'd never seen
Speaker 1: a kid at that age with so much skill.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think think when I reflect on it, I kind
Speaker 2: of think I could have been a lot better. I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's me sort of reading into other
Speaker 2: people's opinions more so, but that just infiltrated me over
Speaker 2: a long period of time. I know, I let other
Speaker 2: people's opinions get in my head a lot and struggle
Speaker 2: with that, especially the middle period of my career. When
Speaker 2: I first burst onto the scene, I was kind of
Speaker 2: just playing like I was playing in the backyard. It
Speaker 2: was just come so natural to me. I was very
Speaker 2: confident a little bit of arrogance there, but you kind
Speaker 2: of need that. And then I tried to pull that
Speaker 2: back because I had so many people having their opinions
Speaker 2: and talking about how because I was pretty animated on
Speaker 2: the field, I was quite an emotional player. I had
Speaker 2: natural talent, and you know, I've played for Australia and
Speaker 2: New South Wales so early on in my career and
Speaker 2: got the Rookie of the Year and all that run
Speaker 2: a comp early and I just I think I let
Speaker 2: the outside noise get the better of me, and I
Speaker 2: just think I could have been better than what I was,
Speaker 2: you know, And I still had it, like I'm proud
Speaker 2: of my career, but I do at times think, you know,
Speaker 2: look at other players and think I could have I
Speaker 2: could have achieved that, you know, if I just probably
Speaker 2: didn't get into my own head a little bit.
Speaker 5: Are you mindful of that in your job.
Speaker 4: And I was going to talk about the power and
Speaker 4: influence you have hosting the flagship show in rugby league.
Speaker 4: Are you mindful of that now when we're talking Locky
Speaker 4: Galvin and we're talking about young players, and you know
Speaker 4: that the boom on these kids and the spotlight they're under.
Speaker 4: It's a tricky I know, because people want you to
Speaker 4: talk your honest opinions.
Speaker 3: It is hard.
Speaker 2: Because I do, I can put myself in their positioning.
Speaker 2: I get it, I understand it, I lived it. I
Speaker 2: think it also gives me the right to comment on
Speaker 2: it and have an opinion on it because I have
Speaker 2: been through it firsthand.
Speaker 3: And when I give an opinion, I do like most
Speaker 3: of the time to give.
Speaker 2: Sort of It's not just an opinion, it's probably feedback
Speaker 2: and advance insight, you know. Like I still still doesn't
Speaker 2: mean I won't have a crack if I think they're
Speaker 2: doing the wrong thing or if they handle it the
Speaker 2: wrong way. I try and make it constructive, you know,
Speaker 2: more so than just talking down to someone. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's important that my job is opinion.
Speaker 2: I have to have my opinion. If I can't sit
Speaker 2: on the fence like that just get another host.
Speaker 5: Like jump in the car driving home.
Speaker 4: I think I shouldn't have said a lot, yeah.
Speaker 1: I say when I read the column, Yeah you know,
Speaker 1: or you.
Speaker 3: Often would ring me and do you think I went
Speaker 3: too hard to think? I said this?
Speaker 2: And I think now, to be honest, now I don't
Speaker 2: over because it impacted throughout my career. I just spoke
Speaker 2: about it like overthinking, over analyzed, the worrying about everyone else.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I don't care as much anymore.
Speaker 4: Braith actually helped me recently. Wear I was bagged over
Speaker 4: something quite heavy that surprised Well, it was just the same. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a social media polum, but I was really
Speaker 4: stud about it.
Speaker 5: Why why are you so worked up? You know?
Speaker 4: It's people, you know, And it just helped And I
Speaker 4: no longer you know, it was only recently, but I
Speaker 4: no longer care as much about other people and what
Speaker 4: they think of what I spit out in that show
Speaker 4: or write or just doing my job.
Speaker 1: Call it as it is.
Speaker 2: We're always going to be judged and people are always
Speaker 2: going to have their opinion of us and our opinions,
Speaker 2: and that's that's a position we're in. But the quicker
Speaker 2: and this is any advice or anyone the quicker. The
Speaker 2: only people I really give a fuck about my mum,
Speaker 2: my family and friends and my boss and the rest.
Speaker 2: Really it's irrelevant, and so what. The noise will always
Speaker 2: be there. People always have negative opinion of you, regardless
Speaker 2: of whether it's it is or it isn't. You know,
Speaker 2: it comes with the territory. And I've learned that from
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen, you know, I've lived there forever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I don't want it because a lot of
Speaker 4: people spoke about you know, you was a young fella.
Speaker 4: Make that Rugby League week player pole was very very heavy,
Speaker 4: you know you were, and they ended up banning the
Speaker 4: question was taken out because players stopped answering it where
Speaker 4: you just didn't want it. Your name most overrated player
Speaker 4: did that?
Speaker 5: That must have hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big time.
Speaker 2: That was That was a because again I'd never experienced
Speaker 2: I was only a kid. I never experienced anything negative
Speaker 2: really in my life. I had with my dad and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but not professionally or as with any
Speaker 2: of the sports i'd played. You know, I kind of
Speaker 2: reached the top, you know, quite easily, I thought at
Speaker 2: the time. But and I thought I was doing a
Speaker 2: great job and so to get that from your peers,
Speaker 2: was that's stung?
Speaker 3: Like it really impact to me, it did.
Speaker 2: I remember copping it for a few years there and like,
Speaker 2: you know, it sounds dramatic, but.
Speaker 3: I remember just saying to mom, like, I've had enough.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do this and it's not worth
Speaker 2: the feeling and the embarrassment and the and the ridicule
Speaker 2: that comes with it. You know, you're kicking a goal
Speaker 2: run out of the field because fans just listen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do listen to the media. And it just stuck
Speaker 2: with me for a long time, and it was it
Speaker 2: was awful.
Speaker 3: I hated it, but I.
Speaker 1: Couldn't help the Freddie got it as well. When did
Speaker 1: you when you voted.
Speaker 2: Wearing your career similar times? If I was early, like
Speaker 2: I was getting Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: And Rookie in Australia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm talking about your dad a bit, like but
Speaker 4: who did you turn to and Mum was obviously, Was
Speaker 4: there anyone else who you know?
Speaker 5: Was there a coach?
Speaker 3: Was there?
Speaker 5: You got out? What members were great? I had?
Speaker 2: I had my mates always, they've been there. I've always
Speaker 2: founded myself with my mates. And they're still my best
Speaker 2: mate now. And I kind of wasn't that footy player
Speaker 2: that a lot of do that just kind of when
Speaker 2: they played footy. They stick around those guys and I
Speaker 2: feel like for life after foot it helps if you
Speaker 2: you've got your your matship and your friends, that your
Speaker 2: og is kind of thing.
Speaker 3: And I've still got them now. They were great.
Speaker 2: My mum's been a rock, even though she was finding
Speaker 2: it hard herself to be fair.
Speaker 1: Weld call journals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was pretty called out journals. She was you know,
Speaker 2: I love that loyalty, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Did I need professional help?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I ended up getting help.
Speaker 2: I saw a counselor because when my dad had passed,
Speaker 2: I had a counselor I saw at that time to
Speaker 2: get through that. And then I went back to her
Speaker 2: because I was struggling a bit and I didn't really
Speaker 2: know what to do. And then I saw a spots
Speaker 2: sports like at some point too.
Speaker 3: I encourage it. It really helped me get through.
Speaker 5: It's really good because a lot of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think you should like it's it's
Speaker 2: a good way to get because he's not He's not
Speaker 2: always someone you can talk to, you know, there isn't
Speaker 2: if you not your parents, and even your parents sometimes
Speaker 2: you can't, but you know, and then you've got your mentors.
Speaker 3: Not everyone's got them. I've got them as I've got older,
Speaker 3: but not at that age.
Speaker 4: It's something that's always amazed me about rugby league players.
Speaker 4: They are so tough, they're so strong, they're so powerful,
Speaker 4: this extraordinary body contact. But they're actually like everyone they
Speaker 4: are that there's they have.
Speaker 1: Weakness income that like the rugby league media is pretty
Speaker 1: pretty rough. Like you and I were very close during
Speaker 1: a lot of your career, all your career, and I
Speaker 1: was always, you know, was pretty I was pretty cool,
Speaker 1: was a drink of the bubble Chloe all the time.
Speaker 1: But there was like some journalis went hard actuzz you
Speaker 1: were one of.
Speaker 4: Them, you know, as you know, I've always called this,
Speaker 4: I see, but it was never ever when I start
Speaker 4: out in journalism, and I don't want to stand. There
Speaker 4: were more gentlemen sort of covering the game more, you know,
Speaker 4: a bit more statesman like you know the Alan Clarkson's,
Speaker 4: the and heads is that, you know, all those the
Speaker 4: Christiansens and no one. It was more just a commentary
Speaker 4: of the game each week without you know as heavy
Speaker 4: as it is today, and that's social media.
Speaker 3: Social media a lot, but a.
Speaker 1: Lot of it. You were also when you went to
Speaker 1: the Roosters. I found it. It really went through the
Speaker 1: room is big glamor club and you were the big
Speaker 1: signing there.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: That's just a touch on that, and I'll come back
Speaker 3: to this.
Speaker 2: I think what ruby Ley players need to learn these
Speaker 2: days that is actually getting to talk about being constructive
Speaker 2: and living it myself. The sooner you understand the media,
Speaker 2: get to know the media, but also know why the
Speaker 2: media are there and what they're doing, and you work
Speaker 2: you can even work with them. It's to your favor.
Speaker 2: The better you're going to be if you if you know,
Speaker 2: if you're abusive to them, to the media, or you
Speaker 2: turn your back on the media, or you don't give
Speaker 2: them anything, it's not going to help your cause and
Speaker 2: even the players look after now. If you actually get
Speaker 2: to work it out and realize what we are doing
Speaker 2: in the media while we're doing it, know what to watch,
Speaker 2: what not to watch, what to listen to, what not
Speaker 2: to listen to, You get to know it better. It's
Speaker 2: going to benefit you as a player, and it's going
Speaker 2: to benefit you throughout your career in post football, a
Speaker 2: lot of guys just and I did it.
Speaker 3: He just bar you know, journos you get the ship.
Speaker 2: You hate them all and it's not the best attitude
Speaker 2: to have actually impact you know yourself. But you can
Speaker 2: benefit from the media too if you leverage them and
Speaker 2: use them the right way.
Speaker 3: But here the Roosters.
Speaker 2: That that was a big one because see how obviously
Speaker 2: I left them.
Speaker 3: I didn't leave them.
Speaker 1: I went in the comp when you were in the
Speaker 1: first you know.
Speaker 2: And George he mentioned at the top there he came
Speaker 2: to me before they'd been told they were going to
Speaker 2: get kicked out.
Speaker 3: Well officially he knew.
Speaker 2: And he said, Mane, you got to go, and I
Speaker 2: want to go, and he goes, you have to you're
Speaker 2: not going to play first grade. You're only a year
Speaker 2: or two ways and is I think I was sixteen
Speaker 2: or something like that, and he said, you know, and
Speaker 2: he pretty much picked the club.
Speaker 3: I talked to both to the Roosters.
Speaker 2: I met with Beto Beats and and Freddie and then
Speaker 2: I met with the with the Dogs. But he was like,
Speaker 2: may you're going to the Bulldogs And I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to didn't want me to gather the roosters.
Speaker 2: So that's how I landed at Canterbury. And then when
Speaker 2: I was off, well I wasn't. I had to go
Speaker 2: because we won the camp and the cap was Malcolm
Speaker 2: knows that there's no money here. I was sh had
Speaker 2: a lot of bulldogs fans don't know that, and I
Speaker 2: get that often even in Uber Uber Drivers and you
Speaker 2: know whatever it is bulldogs fans they they they kind
Speaker 2: of disliked me, some of them because they think I
Speaker 2: walked out on the club. I didn't have a contract there,
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't have a contract and Malcolm No
Speaker 2: just said, maybe we don't have anything for you. I
Speaker 2: had to leave. I didn't want to leave at that time.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know that that. That was
Speaker 2: disappointing because the club really pushed that so it made
Speaker 2: them look better at the time. You know, again, this
Speaker 2: is the rugby league, right, you know. And and the
Speaker 2: fans thought I walked out in the club, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: So that was that was that situation. I had the bunnies.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked at a powerbreaker at Canby wouldn't tell the truth.
Speaker 3: Let's yeah, he buzz that s.
Speaker 4: Redemption, just chipping away, and I repeated, I I've been
Speaker 4: chipping away a long time exposing Look, Gus's a legend,
Speaker 4: right and what he's done at Cannabis off the charts outstanding.
Speaker 4: But he's made a number of blunders over the long
Speaker 4: period of time and I've called him out.
Speaker 1: On Yeah this is a this is a Breath of
Speaker 1: NaSTA podcast.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I brought it up.
Speaker 3: His opinion.
Speaker 5: Good, I'm more than aware you've turned their Thank god,
Speaker 5: thank you.
Speaker 1: We're twenty minutes and you're annoying me already, breath Which coach?
Speaker 1: Which coach did you learn the most from? Uh?
Speaker 2: The smartest coach I've ever had Brian Smith?
Speaker 1: That me.
Speaker 5: That's did He used to take you all the time?
Speaker 2: That I mean, yeah, so you asked me. The smartest
Speaker 2: coach was Brian Smith. But he was also the most
Speaker 2: how would I say it? He waskiest, kirkiest, a little
Speaker 2: bit strange at times, and he would message the players.
Speaker 2: I was the captain at the time for years and
Speaker 2: I was like doctor Phil. I had all the players
Speaker 2: coming to me because they'd been told they playing that week.
Speaker 2: Their families had flying down from Queensland, and then he
Speaker 2: wouldn't play them. And then you know, he had certain
Speaker 2: ways in which he handled things that I think held
Speaker 2: him back as a coach.
Speaker 3: I think that's what hurt him because he was so smart.
Speaker 2: Sorry, you know, like he'd go and watch the week
Speaker 2: we'll play, the team will playing.
Speaker 3: He'd go and watch them two weeks in advance.
Speaker 2: Him and Robber would sit in behind the post and
Speaker 2: they'd have a game plan written up three weeks in
Speaker 2: advance of who you about to play in three weeks time.
Speaker 2: And he had set pieces that would expose vulnerable defenses
Speaker 2: that he'd seen firsthand and worked hard. He was just
Speaker 2: he was actually really good for me at the time.
Speaker 2: And I think he was the most intelligent coach I've
Speaker 2: had by by fair Way, actually the best roach, best.
Speaker 3: Coach like you would have been coached by Gus. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Gus was brilliant.
Speaker 2: It was only had h one one year in origin
Speaker 2: and I was kind of off the bench and like
Speaker 2: just eighteen year old, bright eyed, but just sit back
Speaker 2: and like the war stories he before training or a game,
Speaker 2: like you get us all down, you can tell he's
Speaker 2: one of them. You know, he's great telling stories and
Speaker 2: you see that with his before origins and all that.
Speaker 2: That's the camera imagine off camera, you know, like he
Speaker 2: talked about you know he's going to battle and certain stories,
Speaker 2: and you know we all just sit there and awe.
Speaker 2: You know, he's very inspirational and he was very intelligent,
Speaker 2: and you know he had a good demeanor about him too.
Speaker 2: But I was kind of we had Joey and Freddy
Speaker 2: and you know these guys in camp.
Speaker 3: I was the young bucker just sat back and watched.
Speaker 2: So I didn't actually deal with him heaps, but could
Speaker 2: tell that he if I had, if I'd worked with
Speaker 2: him for a long time, yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: He was pretty special.
Speaker 4: I was for you to wrap us. I've been sitting
Speaker 4: here waiting because I do him up all the time
Speaker 4: about Nick, because it's been he's been jumping between camps
Speaker 4: for the last couple of years.
Speaker 5: Does that be? Why car d that one?
Speaker 3: And Nick?
Speaker 5: I can ask any question. You can be what is
Speaker 5: a great card? By the way, and you captain of
Speaker 5: the Gas fan club.
Speaker 2: That's why come on, mate, Come on, because I'll pushed
Speaker 2: back on you a few times because if.
Speaker 5: You were hosting a dinner party, could invite.
Speaker 3: A father to me.
Speaker 2: Relationship, Well, I mean it depends during the footy season,
Speaker 2: it's nearly once a week. He's been great for me
Speaker 2: since the second I met him. And even when he
Speaker 2: had to let me go or we didn't come come
Speaker 2: to an agreement there with our last contract there was
Speaker 2: it was still an utmost respect for each other. And
Speaker 2: I know for a fact he really cares about me
Speaker 2: and and he showed that through his actions over the years.
Speaker 2: And he is an amazing human being, like he really is.
Speaker 2: I know if I only sees the Godfather and you know,
Speaker 2: but he really cares about his players, he cares about
Speaker 2: his staff. And yeah, he's got he's got money because
Speaker 2: he's worth his ass off to get there.
Speaker 3: You know, he doesn't even now he is twenty.
Speaker 2: Four to seven. He said, you guys ring in China. Yeah,
Speaker 2: anywhere around the world. He watches three sixty from Kithra
Speaker 2: on the beach on his house when you visited last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Andrew Independent Independent's listening to this story because I
Speaker 4: booked an air b and B Nick gave him his address.
Speaker 4: I went and had a look at his incredibly beautiful house,
Speaker 4: and a guy called Spiro, who looks after cool, showed
Speaker 4: me through I did not. He also gave me an
Speaker 4: introduction to the mayor of Kithra, who I had lunch with.
Speaker 3: What are you What are you going to connect with
Speaker 3: the mayor.
Speaker 4: Of I like being fully transparent and that the day.
Speaker 3: But not many people go to kiss for first Peter.
Speaker 4: But Andy says from kid threat and they both spoke
Speaker 4: very very highly of the history of.
Speaker 1: That island, dropping the miconoscil.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what an incredible blake. Nick kiss when
Speaker 4: I was there, No, I didn't. I didn't go, but
Speaker 4: he was in Canada at the time, and he rang
Speaker 4: me the day before we put the car on the
Speaker 4: ferry to come back to the mainland. He rang me
Speaker 4: a couple of days prior and said, you won't get
Speaker 4: back the weather's.
Speaker 5: You can on the business trip and he cares.
Speaker 4: He read the we he won and he read the
Speaker 4: weather and no one to make sure you know he's unbelievable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well he did.
Speaker 3: You do it all. He's a weather man as well.
Speaker 5: Now you're number one man. I got that there.
Speaker 3: You just love it up. No, I don't.
Speaker 1: He likes division and like the vision did I do
Speaker 1: like feuds?
Speaker 5: I did play the rugby league thrives on them. You've
Speaker 5: got a feud going with at the moment, broke.
Speaker 2: Well, I've got a I don't really I mean Danny
Speaker 2: Wather's got it in for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he likes he listened to this podcast and picture.
Speaker 3: I don't stand on him. Honestly, I don't want to
Speaker 3: stand because it just won't do any good for me
Speaker 3: and court Man on good Danny White, he's obsessed with men.
Speaker 1: It's hard not to be braced. On a serious note.
Speaker 1: You did an interview with Stellar magazine a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. It was it was you talked about mental health.
Speaker 1: You know, your dad to his own life a long
Speaker 1: time ago. And I remember when I talked to you
Speaker 1: for that Inside Sport piece your mum called it the Hurdle.
Speaker 1: How did that shape your life?
Speaker 2: It was a nightmare, like it was a living nightmare
Speaker 2: in traumatic to say the least. You know, your dad
Speaker 2: goes the word doesn't come home. And he was my
Speaker 2: best mate. So it was and.
Speaker 3: At the time, no suicide kind of it wasn't.
Speaker 2: An epidemic because he's probably at the moment or becoming
Speaker 2: one if it's not.
Speaker 3: It was very unusual. So then you had rumors around.
Speaker 2: It and all that, and yeah, everyone knew, like because
Speaker 2: because of my uncle George, and you know, because I
Speaker 2: was a young athlete. If I already kind of loved
Speaker 2: to talk about me when I was a kid, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden your dad came in suicide. It
Speaker 2: was it was really like it was. It was tough
Speaker 2: and tough on mum. And still you know today Mum
Speaker 2: really hasn't she hasn't moved on to say that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a woman.
Speaker 2: I mean, she has never moved She was he was
Speaker 2: the love of a life and she never job. My
Speaker 2: brother damon two of us. My poor brother found found him.
Speaker 2: So it was it was awful. Mate, he's what he's
Speaker 2: he's maybe forty five forty.
Speaker 1: But you're talking that sellar peace about your mental health,
Speaker 1: like you know a few years ago, Yeah, you really
Speaker 1: knuckle down about your fitness. Drop twelve kegs.
Speaker 2: I'm big on it, and I started a program called
Speaker 2: Strong Day. We're actually rebranded at the moment because I
Speaker 2: think when you go through a period, like you know,
Speaker 2: losing someone, relationship, break up, marriage, break up, lots of job,
Speaker 2: having kids.
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of men I think are overlooked.
Speaker 2: You know, I think and you don't often talk, like
Speaker 2: you said earlier, but you don't often talk to your
Speaker 2: mates about deeper issues in you life. And he does well,
Speaker 2: you know, like you've been through a lot, you can't,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I just want to get.
Speaker 2: Guys opening up more and being more vulnerable and open
Speaker 2: about their mental health and how they're feeling. And you know,
Speaker 2: with the with the rising interest rates, cost of living,
Speaker 2: and you know, separation rates up fifty five percent, the
Speaker 2: likelihood is we're all going to go through ship in
Speaker 2: our lives.
Speaker 3: We still are from now this day on, I'm still.
Speaker 2: Going to go We're all going to have adversity in hurdles,
Speaker 2: and I've had my fair share. But they're not going
Speaker 2: to don't just not They didn't just go away and
Speaker 2: never come back again.
Speaker 3: We're all going to have them. How do you deal
Speaker 3: with them?
Speaker 2: How do you make yourself more aware and get through
Speaker 2: them the best way you possibly can.
Speaker 3: I think women tend to.
Speaker 1: Go and meet in groups, they talk to each they talk,
Speaker 1: We talk about talking to each other, and we never do.
Speaker 3: We don't do it, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was big for me, going through a separation,
Speaker 2: blended family, all that.
Speaker 3: Again, it was like, man, you know, I've put a
Speaker 3: lot of weight on.
Speaker 2: I was probably put ten or fifteen kilos on, and
Speaker 2: you just he kind of got to a dark place
Speaker 2: without even knowing it, right, and then it's like, how
Speaker 2: do I get out of this? And then that's that's
Speaker 2: when I started getting a group of us. We all trained,
Speaker 2: we all talk in the mornings as much. It could
Speaker 2: be anything, you know, you know, and it's helped me
Speaker 2: a lot, and I want to help other guys.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's especially with my dad. Yeah, I think it's a legacy.
Speaker 2: I'd like to carry him on along the journey with
Speaker 2: and do it for him as well. So it's pretty
Speaker 2: important to me.
Speaker 1: Your buddy. You're also saying that story, sorry, buzz. You're
Speaker 1: also revealing that that interviewed how much you knocked back
Speaker 1: to appear on the bat.
Speaker 3: He like this one, didn't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How much was it was? It was less than
Speaker 1: five hundred k Well, I didn't get to the end
Speaker 1: with that. That was a lot of money.
Speaker 2: It was a few hundred thousand to start off with.
Speaker 2: And I was very tempted, very tempted, just been through
Speaker 2: a separation, just getting back on track.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'd love to say you, but hang on
Speaker 1: you love.
Speaker 5: I do enjoy mass you watch it?
Speaker 3: Watch? I did watch it.
Speaker 5: I actually I didn't watch.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm an adult you I love you said
Speaker 1: you said no disrespect, But I think I'll be okay
Speaker 1: meeting someone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you want to do?
Speaker 1: You want to give us the daily mail? Click't open
Speaker 1: up your d MS and tell us who's sliding into
Speaker 1: what's his name?
Speaker 3: Mate?
Speaker 4: I've got an announcement, haven't you had some starts on
Speaker 4: the daily Mail?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I can't get away from mate. They called it to
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 3: He had no idea what schoolies?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then you know, all of a sudden, I'm a tooling.
Speaker 2: How do you avoid that?
Speaker 3: I can't. I've always mind.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm there for you, for me. I can't
Speaker 2: get you a coffee.
Speaker 4: I have looked after you so good. And this ain't
Speaker 4: about me. About me, But when you went to Chin
Speaker 4: Chin last year, I had.
Speaker 1: Your sea, had your stink with the Great Latrell yep,
Speaker 1: and the trail leaked his version.
Speaker 3: Of the story to the DW stitch up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he leaked his version of the story very quickly,
Speaker 4: mind you, So I you accuse me looking for click pait.
Speaker 5: But I tried to help you and get your version out.
Speaker 3: Okay, I wanted the truth.
Speaker 5: I can see progress wishes.
Speaker 1: That's what happened from them your verse.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me get something clear before I tell it.
Speaker 3: I'm not me and the trill. Fine, I don't want to.
Speaker 3: It's not about, you know, putting a ship on him.
Speaker 3: I don't want. I don't want that.
Speaker 2: But the actual what actually happened was I finished three
Speaker 2: sixty and on a Wednesday night, I bolt because I've
Speaker 2: been going from Sundays. I do the Sunday ticket and
Speaker 2: by Wednesday I just want to have a beer and
Speaker 2: I have something to eat and just relax. So I've
Speaker 2: gone to Chin Chins to meet someone there where where
Speaker 2: we had I hadn't even ordered, like a person I
Speaker 2: was with.
Speaker 1: The city, a special person.
Speaker 2: The city with her back against you know, just with
Speaker 2: her back to the to the restaurant I had, So
Speaker 2: I had my back to the restaurant, so I couldn't
Speaker 2: see anything other than who I was having dinner with. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I hadn't even ordered to drink, and I get this
Speaker 2: tapped my shoulder. I look and I could see her
Speaker 2: like looking in the air like like this, there's you know,
Speaker 2: a beast of a human there, because Latrell is imposed.
Speaker 1: He got six' four and.
Speaker 2: Massive AND i look after my should and As, LATRELL
Speaker 2: i Coached latrell in the, twenties always had a good
Speaker 2: blame ship with, him.
Speaker 3: AND i didn't think any of. It, okay, hey young,
Speaker 3: brother he has.
Speaker 2: Don't yeah you, know, no, no no, No i'm sick of
Speaker 2: you having a crack on me on three. Sixty but
Speaker 2: yahd YadA, YadA and he kind Of i'm, thinking is
Speaker 2: he joking here or is he? SERIOUS i couldn't pick
Speaker 2: up on. It then he gets let's go, outside And i'm,
Speaker 2: like let's go, outside, really you want to go? Outside
Speaker 2: and by that point people are looking at, us, right
Speaker 2: And i'm, thinking come, on, man it's a middle Of,
Speaker 2: chinchins it's busy. Night like he's six foot, Four it's
Speaker 2: not like people aren't going to, notice, Right AND i,
Speaker 2: thought you, KNOW i need to de escalate, this or
Speaker 2: at the very LEAST i did get this out of this, restaurant.
Speaker 2: Right SO i, said let's, go, mate and we got
Speaker 2: out the front and he just like he lays into
Speaker 2: me right And i'm just you, know he's standing over
Speaker 2: the top of me and he's having he's having his
Speaker 2: whack And i'm, like, mane, okay slow down because there
Speaker 2: was nothing making sense and it was just. Abuse AND i, said,
Speaker 2: mate what AM i doing that isn't? Right is there something.
Speaker 3: That i'm wrong? With can you just explain to me
Speaker 3: what you're angry?
Speaker 2: With like what's He and there was no real clear
Speaker 2: explanation or detail as to what that would come last
Speaker 2: at the. TIME i, MEAN i don't know if it
Speaker 2: was a week or two, before But i'd shown some
Speaker 2: vision of him at, fullback and you, know i'd seen.
Speaker 2: It i'd had it there for it it, there But
Speaker 2: i'd watch. It i'll watch every game of player and
Speaker 2: we do it with other players all the. Time and
Speaker 2: there was just a few instances WHERE i thought he
Speaker 2: could be, better AND i think that's what's triggering. Him
Speaker 2: but he's still in that instant he was over the
Speaker 2: top of.
Speaker 3: ME i didn't back down at.
Speaker 2: ALL i gave as good AS i, got you, know
Speaker 2: AND i wasn't intimidated by. Him AND i think he
Speaker 2: was taken aback by that because he Thought i'd probably
Speaker 2: go to water and then you know that was. It
Speaker 2: he kind OF i don't want to go to detail with,
Speaker 2: it but he just saw a bad give him this great.
Speaker 2: Detail well that's.
Speaker 1: What, happened because then never going to get, well then what,
Speaker 1: HAPPENS i want to put one on your chin chin OR.
Speaker 3: I was thinking THAT i was, ready you're.
Speaker 2: GOING i was thinking in my, HEAD i can't let
Speaker 2: him land the first one Because i'll be, gone because
Speaker 2: he's a.
Speaker 3: Beast BUT i.
Speaker 2: Didn't i'm going to be, HONEST i. Did i'd be
Speaker 2: lying IF i said at some POINT i didn't think
Speaker 2: it might happen like that dollar seventy break twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Dollars but, no and then you talk about the spin
Speaker 2: and again you know he's going to deny. It but
Speaker 2: then they got on the front foot and one of
Speaker 2: these they, knew but he had mates. There and when
Speaker 2: we got out the, front you could tell that every
Speaker 2: like it was, seen.
Speaker 3: You, know and it was going to.
Speaker 1: Be was the restaurant?
Speaker 2: Packed, yeah it was, Packed And i'm thinking in my,
Speaker 2: Head SO i rang BECAUSE i ran crawl straight away
Speaker 2: my boss AND i, said, mate just letting you know what.
Speaker 2: HAPPENED i talked him, short word by word AND i,
Speaker 2: said it'll be out there before you know.
Speaker 3: It and then they they his camp of.
Speaker 2: Obviously Rang, widler who's as a fan of, theirs and
Speaker 2: they got their version out that was so. Wrong and
Speaker 2: that's WHEN i rang bus AND i, Said, BUZZ i
Speaker 2: can't stand for.
Speaker 3: THIS i can't have that version that.
Speaker 4: There was a hard one because See crawley didn't want to,
Speaker 4: reply AND i can understand, that you, know BUT i
Speaker 4: thought it was important to get doubt.
Speaker 5: THERE i really do.
Speaker 3: Well but again you talk About, buzz, like DO i
Speaker 3: feel for the.
Speaker 2: PLAYERS i can understand what he was going, through AND
Speaker 2: i can understand how frustrating it is and people having
Speaker 2: their opinion and you just want to play, footy and
Speaker 2: SO i can peel myself back away from it and,
Speaker 2: go you know, WHAT i get.
Speaker 1: It that's a frustrated. Player it's right, reacting that's.
Speaker 2: Right but there's, again you, KNOW i think it's all
Speaker 2: bigger and experienced enough now to probably realize that isn't
Speaker 2: the best way to go about.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 2: Right you could have easily have called, Me he could have,
Speaker 2: easily you know, anything AND i would have spoken to
Speaker 2: me about. It AND i am ship IF i haven't
Speaker 2: him SINCE i haven't had, to you, KNOW i haven't had.
Speaker 3: To mm.
Speaker 1: Hmm good theater it.
Speaker 3: Was it, was, yeah it was what it was Though.
Speaker 5: Rugby lead thrives on the. Ship it just does just it.
Speaker 5: Does you saw the. Cliques it was just.
Speaker 3: See how he said he was helping.
Speaker 5: Me i'm just trying to get it explained to.
Speaker 1: You but you, KNOW i find.
Speaker 4: IT i write this sort of stuff quite, regularly and
Speaker 4: NOW i could write the most beautiful, story beautiful, pitch
Speaker 4: lovely human, interest no prick ball. Reader you know, what
Speaker 4: as soon as she puts his scandal in, there we'll see.
Speaker 1: That no one does match reports anymore BECAUSE i don't
Speaker 1: ride on the. Line and as a, consequence AND i
Speaker 1: was talking TO i was texting back and forth With
Speaker 1: Lara pitt after that on the it must have been
Speaker 1: The Titans storm game and she was saying there was
Speaker 1: no one to ask any questions in the press conference.
Speaker 1: Afterwards i've noticed, that isn't that? Ridiculous no one's covering.
Speaker 1: GAMES i find that so.
Speaker 4: Sad BUT i tell, you kill match, Reports Brace sunday
Speaker 4: Ticket Yvonne's Super. Saturday because in the old, days people
Speaker 4: love Their monday paper that lift out in The mirror
Speaker 4: and The sun and The. Telegraph good, point because, mate
Speaker 4: he not only shows a bore bye ball eighty minutes
Speaker 4: every single, game every, week every, day but he will
Speaker 4: sit there With, Cooper he will sit there there With,
Speaker 4: carey he will sit there With brandy and they will analyze.
Speaker 1: It to watch.
Speaker 4: It yeah it, no, no but what you're even shock
Speaker 4: the same match?
Speaker 1: Reports WHAT i don't. Get it's not necessarily match, reports
Speaker 1: but you still need people going there and asking questions
Speaker 1: and like getting news out of the, sheds going to
Speaker 1: the dressing, rooms getting the news out of the out
Speaker 1: of the. Games no journals are doing that. Anymore, yeah
Speaker 1: but they.
Speaker 4: Won't, yeah but that's so, sanctioned, mate they won't let
Speaker 4: the journalists get.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 4: Buzz i'm just and if journalist goes to a press
Speaker 4: conference and Ask maguire, coaches they're doing it FOR. Tv
Speaker 4: they're wasting their time because it goes onto. TELEVISION i understand.
Speaker 4: It that's WHY i don't do match, reports. Buzz i'm
Speaker 4: just saying how sad it. IS i think it's ridiculous
Speaker 4: that you can't HAVE i.
Speaker 5: Spoke we used to write about. Football we used.
Speaker 3: To did you have more access than?
Speaker 1: That you can go? Give but WHEN i first, started
Speaker 1: buzzes much much older than. Me BUT i remember back
Speaker 1: in the, day back in the, day like you used
Speaker 1: to go and have a beer in the.
Speaker 4: Room my best. Memories those cannaburry dogs are all AND
Speaker 4: i would walk into that shed. Afterwards the first thing
Speaker 4: they'd do was past your. Beer you'd sit down between
Speaker 4: Mordem chris And farah too tough At Blakes bar was there.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 4: Mate they Even turby once was explaining a play to
Speaker 4: him and he grabbed my mate book and threw a
Speaker 4: footy field.
Speaker 1: Hood that's. See you. Know the other THING i find
Speaker 1: the problem that you CAN'T i understand why you can't
Speaker 1: go and room into the rooms because you there's so
Speaker 1: much well there used to be a lot of media
Speaker 1: back in the. Day but the thing THAT i find
Speaker 1: is journal young journals don't get to see how busted
Speaker 1: players are where they've just put themselves through for eighty.
Speaker 1: Minutes you know that's. True they don't see. That they
Speaker 1: don't see what a player's gone through and the, reaction
Speaker 1: how devastated they, are or you, know you don't get
Speaker 1: any of that emotion, anymore that's.
Speaker 4: What and there's no access there to tell those sort of.
Speaker 4: Stories and again it's, well you, know if you want
Speaker 4: to interview a, player you have to ask the media
Speaker 4: manage and the player will then come outside and it'll
Speaker 4: be a group. Interview there's no. Exclusivity it's not about.
Speaker 4: Relationships it's not about you, know you've been working forty
Speaker 4: years and you know there's trust That.
Speaker 1: So the relationship we used to have as player and
Speaker 1: journal you. Couldn't you wouldn't get.
Speaker 2: That and you know, WHAT i give you more BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i had a good relationship with you and that's where
Speaker 2: you get your.
Speaker 3: Best like even Now i'm giving you that. STORY i
Speaker 3: wouldn't have told anyone.
Speaker 4: Else, yeah But GRAITH i was telling him last last
Speaker 4: week in a war story for In origin And Gavin
Speaker 4: miller was captain In New South, wales was staying at
Speaker 4: the park In. Brisbane he was bored and he rang
Speaker 4: me up said come and play, cards not before the,
Speaker 4: game sit in the end of your.
Speaker 3: Health.
Speaker 1: Cool did you ever think you'd be going to THE tv? Hosting,
Speaker 1: WELL I i thought you going to like something, publicly
Speaker 1: BUT i never thought media would be it for. You.
Speaker 2: YEAH i always felt, comfortable even BECAUSE i dealt with
Speaker 2: the media so much as a captain and just through
Speaker 2: crisis and that, too like you seriously been through so,
Speaker 2: MUCH i kind of felt, natural AND i, thought you
Speaker 2: know that that's definitely something THAT i could. DO i
Speaker 2: got ahead of the game a bit and was doing
Speaker 2: like holding cups and you, SAID i was cups and
Speaker 2: doing like an. Apprenticeship and Then i'm just pretty. Driven
Speaker 2: so as soon AS i got into that, Space i'm, Like,
Speaker 2: OKAY i want to be the best at an expert.
Speaker 2: OPINION i want to call. Games and THEN i was, like,
Speaker 2: OKAY i want to be A tv. Host So i've
Speaker 2: had it for quite a. WHILE i thought the dream was.
Speaker 2: Gone to be, HONEST i you, KNOW i put MY
Speaker 2: i said to the, BOSSES i wanted to be a
Speaker 2: host a long time, ago AND i don't think they
Speaker 2: ever THOUGHT i had. IT i think they maybe did at,
Speaker 2: times but they never really gave me a crack at.
Speaker 2: It BUT i always dreamed of it and worked hard
Speaker 2: and sort of worked.
Speaker 3: Hard at home on, it and, whenever what.
Speaker 4: Do you do when you work at? Home just in the,
Speaker 4: mirror it.
Speaker 2: Sounds, weird BUT i did BECAUSE i talked to my awful. Lot,
Speaker 2: Yeah i'll find myself and my kids laugh at. Me
Speaker 2: my daughter actually she talked to herself to this and
Speaker 2: she's unfortunately picked that up for. Me BUT i would
Speaker 2: go through my head how HOW i would come off
Speaker 2: a break or intro OR i just would for.
Speaker 3: YEARS i had it in my.
Speaker 2: HEAD i would look in the mirror sometimes and do,
Speaker 2: it and you, know people laugh at, that but, seriously
Speaker 2: it was just SOMETHING i was obsessed. WITH i was
Speaker 2: always obsessed WITH tv, hosts you, know all the read,
Speaker 2: news the news readers on all the channels and the.
Speaker 2: Sports i'd always pay a lot of attention to all of.
Speaker 2: Them and, yeah it's it's helped, ME i.
Speaker 6: Think you, know any advice from anyone, directly, YEAH i
Speaker 6: mean the first hosting GEAR i, HAD i went and
Speaker 6: sat with Von sampson Because vonn was the best and
Speaker 6: he's the, best AND i wanted her advice on.
Speaker 2: It WHAT i learned from that is that, well you're
Speaker 2: all you're, different and stick to.
Speaker 3: What you know and how you. Are you, know LIKE
Speaker 3: i remember von gave. Me she's.
Speaker 2: Amazing she's got all these, notes she writes them all
Speaker 2: down and then she doesn't use them because she's written
Speaker 2: them all.
Speaker 3: Down she's got a, note she doesn't, miss doesn't miss a,
Speaker 3: bea she's. Amazed.
Speaker 2: Yeah so then my first, hosting it was live at
Speaker 2: the ground And i'm writing all these notes but minem
Speaker 2: a stand up And i've got all these. Notes but
Speaker 2: THEN i depended on those notes so much that IF
Speaker 2: i lost my, WAY i was a. MESSY i remember
Speaker 2: after it going all that's. TERRIBLE i didn't do, well
Speaker 2: which is probably why They. Yeah so then WHEN i
Speaker 2: got my second, shot it's, Like, Okay i'm not a notes.
Speaker 2: Man i'll have. It i'll prep all day and i'll
Speaker 2: have my points i've got to. Hit But i'm just
Speaker 2: a more of off the calf reaction. Man talk to
Speaker 2: you react to the, end which in ESSENCE i think
Speaker 2: has helped me with three.
Speaker 3: Sixty but Now i'm just, Like i'm a lot different
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 2: WAY i host the APPROACH Tv and again our shower
Speaker 2: has taught me, that and it's really, yeah It's i've
Speaker 2: become better at it because of three.
Speaker 3: Sixty there's no. Doubt what do you?
Speaker 5: Reckon?
Speaker 1: WEB i think we've known. Everything anything else you want to, REVEAL.
Speaker 5: I want to talk about your beautiful.
Speaker 4: Daughter's, YEAH i love your socials and, yeah, Yeah i'm,
Speaker 4: lucky but it's your bloody.
Speaker 2: Proyer, Yeah i'm. Proud you, know it's been what ages
Speaker 2: mate seven and. Eleven gg is the youngest at, Seven
Speaker 2: ali is. Eleven ali is an. Angel uh you, know
Speaker 2: she's She's daddy's. Girl you, know we've been through a lot,
Speaker 2: together so she's she's with me majority of the.
Speaker 3: Time And gg's with.
Speaker 2: Her mom comes comes to me to two and a
Speaker 2: half three days a, week and she's a little rat,
Speaker 2: bag very. Different But i'm blessed to have them. Both
Speaker 2: they're beautiful girls AND i love my life buzzy and
Speaker 2: they keep me on my. Toes but, yeah it's it's
Speaker 2: IT'S i.
Speaker 5: Love your holidays away and your mum helping.
Speaker 2: Out, well mom's my, rock like, ya because LIKE i
Speaker 2: work a, lot you know, that AND i can't pick
Speaker 2: him up from school every, day so she.
Speaker 3: Does and you, know it's pretty much she's my cook.
Speaker 3: MATE i can.
Speaker 2: Cook he used to cook a lot more and now
Speaker 2: it's hard AND i, do, LIKE i actually enjoy. COOKING
Speaker 2: i don't get the cook much at all in these
Speaker 2: days and trying to get back into it.
Speaker 3: Again now do you.
Speaker 5: Do everything around the house? Clean and do you have
Speaker 5: a Clean?
Speaker 3: NO i don't have a clean at.
Speaker 1: All now out one back servants at. All you have
Speaker 1: enough money, Now.
Speaker 4: Dad, said talking to. Money you are one out one.
Speaker 4: Back you are.
Speaker 5: Flying what do you mean, Mate? Fox what else you?
Speaker 5: Go you've?
Speaker 3: Lost you're going to come with the, management going to
Speaker 3: come with.
Speaker 4: It when you Replace? BEN i can you ruined our salary?
Speaker 3: Cap?
Speaker 5: Then then you Brought cordy in. Gory he's the one
Speaker 5: that takes.
Speaker 4: Any it's hardly worth my while turning up On monday
Speaker 4: you get looked after.
Speaker 1: That the half, back you're The monday half. Back you're.
Speaker 1: There you're the key of.
Speaker 2: That buzz had no profile until he was on three.
Speaker 2: Sixties we have Made Jack. Buzz that's why you've got
Speaker 2: your own podcast.
Speaker 1: Now because because that's What buzz needed his ego to
Speaker 1: get even. Bigger hey, listen that will wrap it. Up,
Speaker 1: Break thanks so much for coming. On you've been a
Speaker 1: good mane and a good contact have him many, years
Speaker 1: so on behalf of both of. Us thanks for coming
Speaker 1: on off the, record so.
Speaker 2: Pleasure doing great. Things love the. Podcast keep flying, boys doing,
Speaker 2: good good.
Speaker 5: Stuff thanks, Mate Thanks. Taps