Speaker 1: Lateens General Man, welcome to the Late Debase.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson
Speaker 2: with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. We all know there's
Speaker 2: a massive crime crisis in the United States, but police
Speaker 2: have started arresting alligators.
Speaker 3: Will show you that a little later.
Speaker 2: And when we look at the papers, claims that twelve
Speaker 2: hundred Chinese spies are operating on Australian soil and school
Speaker 2: teachers in far North Queensland have been advised to go
Speaker 2: to bed with a duress alarm at hand. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about all of that when we get to the papers.
Speaker 2: But last night we told you how the Chinese government
Speaker 2: was intimidating Australian politicians who attended a pro Taiwanese event
Speaker 2: here in Sydney. The Chinese Consulate General sent intimidating emails
Speaker 2: to one federal and ten state MPs, warning their attendants
Speaker 2: at a celebration for the new Taiwanese Prime Minister risked
Speaker 2: harming Chinese Australian relations. Or The email warned our MPs
Speaker 2: that their attendants sent the wrong messages to the outside world.
Speaker 2: So our politicians have been told you always check with
Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party before you accept any invitations to
Speaker 2: meet people from your New South Wales electorates. Now, reporting
Speaker 2: of all of this, including the emails that were sent
Speaker 2: by the Chinese Consulate, these were published in the Daily
Speaker 2: Telegraph obviously hit a nerve and embarrassed the Communist Party
Speaker 2: because now they've taken aim at the Daily Telegraph firing
Speaker 2: off this email to the newspaper. The Consulate General regrets
Speaker 2: to see that your news report merely focuses on the
Speaker 2: reactions of the relevant MPs. The report also lacks a
Speaker 2: comprehensive and objective view of the historical background the legal
Speaker 2: facts of the Taiwan question, and misrepresents the original intention
Speaker 2: of this Consulate General in sending the email. It goes
Speaker 2: on to say, it's hope that in the future you
Speaker 2: can conduct news reporting with a professional, objective, fair and
Speaker 2: responsible attitude and principle. Fancy that the Chinese Communist Party
Speaker 2: being experts on the free press. Now, leaving aside the
Speaker 2: fact that that email sounds to me like it was
Speaker 2: written with the help of chat GPT Caleb, they're treating
Speaker 2: Australian politicians and in the Australian media as if they
Speaker 2: answer to the Communist Party already.
Speaker 4: Well, as I said last night, we are getting a
Speaker 4: taste here of what Australia will be like under Chinese rule.
Speaker 4: I mean clearly they think the Daily Telegraph is the
Speaker 4: People's Daily or something, which is of course an arm
Speaker 4: of the Chinese Communist Party, and they can tell the media,
Speaker 4: which in China, of course is state media, exactly what
Speaker 4: to say. The hide of the Consulate General to think
Speaker 4: it can dictate to not only politicians what events they
Speaker 4: should or should not be going to, but now telling
Speaker 4: free media in Australia what they should and should not
Speaker 4: be reporting on and how they should be reporting on it.
Speaker 4: They think think they can do anything they want without impunity.
Speaker 4: It's pretty obvious and right through all of this is
Speaker 4: this underlying threat that if you don't do what we
Speaker 4: tell you to do, then you threaten the links between
Speaker 4: Australia and China, which of course the Federal government has
Speaker 4: been working on repairing since they came to power. What
Speaker 4: they're saying is, if you don't do what we want
Speaker 4: you to do, well, who knows, maybe we'll cut off
Speaker 4: your wine exports again. Maybe we'll cut off your meat.
Speaker 4: Maybe we'll cut off your barley, your wheat, et cetera,
Speaker 4: et cetera. It's pretty clear what they're doing. These people
Speaker 4: are absolute bullies. We have to understand when we deal
Speaker 4: with China, we're not dealing with our friends in Indonesia
Speaker 4: or Canada or the US. We're dealing with a communist
Speaker 4: country that ultimately will sell us up the river any
Speaker 4: opportunity they get in.
Speaker 1: The irony of this like, they're not the ones harming Australia.
Speaker 5: China regt.
Speaker 1: I know by sending these threatening things to sitting MPs.
Speaker 1: I love that many of the free press in Australia,
Speaker 1: our media outlets. It's nearly on every single front page tomorrow,
Speaker 1: as you'll see when we get there about the twelve
Speaker 1: hundred China spies. So clearly we're not too worried about
Speaker 1: upsetting China.
Speaker 5: In fact, we rather like it.
Speaker 1: But speaking of upsetting Australia, years ago, I started reading
Speaker 1: the Global Times because of course nothing is published by
Speaker 1: the CCP that hasn't been run through the Ministry of Truth,
Speaker 1: so it's their.
Speaker 5: Direct line to the people of China.
Speaker 1: They regularly refer to Australia as gum on their shoe
Speaker 1: Canberra is just a small dog running around yapping after Washington.
Speaker 1: Our MPs don't even know what they're doing. We just
Speaker 1: follow America. They have a few points of truth there,
Speaker 1: but it is ridiculous how insulting their press is to Australia.
Speaker 5: On the daily.
Speaker 1: I read it as comic relief because it's actually hilarious
Speaker 1: the way they speak about us, our MP's, our country
Speaker 1: and how we're such a little consequence.
Speaker 5: And they're the real bosses in town.
Speaker 2: So with this sort of bullying and intimidation of our
Speaker 2: media and of our politicians, what are the chances that
Speaker 2: the Australian government will haul the Chinese ambassador in and
Speaker 2: give him a good dressing down and tell him this
Speaker 2: is a democracy, this is not how we operate.
Speaker 4: About as much chance as me saying I hate jumps racing,
Speaker 4: I suspect, But can you imagine, like the PMO writing
Speaker 4: off to China and so we weren't very happy with
Speaker 4: that report you put in the Global Times or the
Speaker 4: People's Daily about our country. I hope next time you
Speaker 4: can deal in fair and accurate reporting. It would never happen.
Speaker 4: China would write back and say, who the hell do
Speaker 4: you think you are well.
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison did say he wasn't that happy about COVID
Speaker 2: and look where that got.
Speaker 4: Well exactly. But this is what they're threatening is that
Speaker 4: if you do anything we don't like, be retribution for it.
Speaker 4: And we've been there before and we know how damaging
Speaker 4: it was to us economically, and now they're threatening to
Speaker 4: do the same thing over some MP is going to
Speaker 4: celebrate the inauguration of a new president of Taiwan. If anything,
Speaker 4: it indicates to us why we should go harder in
Speaker 4: our support for Taiwan, and Penny Long should be on
Speaker 4: a plane going to visit Taiwan and meet with the
Speaker 4: new president very shortly, just to stick it up the
Speaker 4: Chinese a little bit.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the irony, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The fact that we don't do anything about this and
Speaker 2: we tolerate it simply sends the message that we are
Speaker 2: prepared to be bullied, we are prepared to be pushed around,
Speaker 2: and you can carry on correct erect more of the same.
Speaker 4: Anyway, Let's move on to a great idea from the
Speaker 4: opposition today, which is that students who are at universities
Speaker 4: at the moment, foreign students in particular, who are chanting
Speaker 4: from the river to the sea. Participating in these encampments
Speaker 4: should have their visas revoked and be sent home. Hallelujah. Now,
Speaker 4: remember many years ago when John Howard said, we will
Speaker 4: decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in
Speaker 4: which they come. We seem to be much more larse
Speaker 4: a fair these days. You know, have you got a
Speaker 4: skill or two shore you can come in in numbers
Speaker 4: going up into the millions. Oh you know you might
Speaker 4: study something here. Good, We will have you. We ought
Speaker 4: to reserve the right as a country to decide at
Speaker 4: any time. And we've been having this discussion about criminals,
Speaker 4: of course, who are not citizens of this country and
Speaker 4: whether or not they should be allowed to remain here.
Speaker 4: And we'll get into that again in the papers later
Speaker 4: in the show. But surely as a country we should
Speaker 4: be able to say, if you have come to Australia
Speaker 4: as a foreign student to learn in this country, if
Speaker 4: you don't want to participate in our culture and our
Speaker 4: beliefs and contribute to the betterment of this country, you
Speaker 4: deserve to go home. Here was James Patterson, the Opposition
Speaker 4: Home Affairs shadow minister, talking about exactly this idea today,
Speaker 4: there's no.
Speaker 6: Doubt we've seen unprecedented president levels of anti semitism on campus.
Speaker 6: Some of the people involved in that are very clearly
Speaker 6: foreign students who are here as guests in our country.
Speaker 6: That violated the principles of their time as visitors here,
Speaker 6: and they should be sent home now.
Speaker 4: I cannot think of any logical argument against doing this right.
Speaker 4: We have allowed people to come here, and of course
Speaker 4: the universities will probably kick up a stink because you know,
Speaker 4: they can just see the dollar signs in their eyes
Speaker 4: that come from these foreign students who pay full toy dots.
Speaker 4: But we should absolutely reserve the right to decide that
Speaker 4: if you have come here on a visa, which is
Speaker 4: us gifting you the opportunity to spend time in our country,
Speaker 4: that if you do things we don't like, you're on
Speaker 4: the next plane home, pack your bags and get the
Speaker 4: hell out of here.
Speaker 2: I don't see why foreign students should be allowed to
Speaker 2: participate in any protests in Australia.
Speaker 4: That's going a little bit fast.
Speaker 3: Will why not go the whole lot.
Speaker 5: I don't have opinions they can well about Australia.
Speaker 4: No free speech.
Speaker 2: No, you can have free speech, but you're not entitled
Speaker 2: to protest on domestic issues in Australia if you're a
Speaker 2: foreign citism.
Speaker 5: Well this isn't a domestic issue all right.
Speaker 2: But putting that aside, because hornets, there's there. The Greek
Speaker 2: City Times just reported this evening that the Greek government
Speaker 2: have told nine university students from other parts of Europe
Speaker 2: that they're out after participating in a pro Palestinian protest there.
Speaker 3: So this is not unprecedented. If Australia did this, grease
Speaker 3: have just announce that they're doing the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: I all just want to look at the chain of
Speaker 1: command here, because we know that the campuses, the faculties,
Speaker 1: even the chancellors of these universities have done fat nothing
Speaker 1: about that. So why then should students be punished so
Speaker 1: harshly when even professors at their universities, some of which
Speaker 1: have participated, both Melbourne and Sydney Universities, major elite universities
Speaker 1: in our nation, have taken it upon themselves to kick
Speaker 1: off either visiting lecturers from Israel. They have been basically
Speaker 1: helping out the mob and succumbing to this mob like mentality.
Speaker 1: So of course kids getting caught up in this think, oh,
Speaker 1: we're fighting a righteous cause. Nobody seems to have any
Speaker 1: any compunction to stomp us out. Why shouldn't we keep going?
Speaker 1: And of course it would, you'd have your work cut
Speaker 1: out for you to single out ringleaders because many of
Speaker 1: these kids, and as we've shown via pop boxes that
Speaker 1: we've shown on this show before, they kind of have
Speaker 1: no idea why they're there.
Speaker 5: So to then be kicked out of the country simply.
Speaker 1: Because you've participated and may have marched with them as
Speaker 1: opposing as opposed to being one of the main activists
Speaker 1: driving the cause, I think it's it's a little bit
Speaker 1: more complicated than what we've heard.
Speaker 4: So who cares? Who cares? I don't care. If you
Speaker 4: didn't know why you were there, you participated in it,
Speaker 4: get the hell out, you're.
Speaker 3: Only that's the only way they could enforce it.
Speaker 1: If it's simply criticizing the Israeli government or you.
Speaker 4: Know, the context of you're at a rally or an
Speaker 4: encampment or whatever, that its overall message is not just
Speaker 4: we've got a bit of beef with net and Yahoo.
Speaker 4: It is anti Israeli. It's anti Jewish. Now if you
Speaker 4: stay there for days, and that's what an encampment is, right.
Speaker 4: I don't care whether English is your second language, you
Speaker 4: only know five words of English. It doesn't matter. You
Speaker 4: were there and you participated, and you are here only
Speaker 4: by the good grace of this country allowing you in.
Speaker 4: We should have the reserve the right to decide we
Speaker 4: kick you in or out by any means, any reason
Speaker 4: we deem necessary. And if we don't like the look
Speaker 4: at you, I don't care if they say, you know,
Speaker 4: your eyes are too wonky. You should be kicked out
Speaker 4: because the government deems you're not someone of sound character to.
Speaker 5: Be here, and kick out all the chancellors as well.
Speaker 4: I agree, put here on the plane back with them.
Speaker 5: Sea.
Speaker 2: Well, it's now almost eight months since terrorists launched an
Speaker 2: attack on Israeli civilians, sparking that war in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and of course the shocking antisemitism here in Australia. Earlier
Speaker 2: this evening, Sky News premiered Never Again the Fight Against
Speaker 2: Anti Semitism, a documentary hosted by former Australian Treasurer Josh Friedenberg. Now,
Speaker 2: as part of that documentary, he spoke to a ninety
Speaker 2: three year old Holocaust survivor Have a.
Speaker 7: Look Australia has been wonderful company. I'm telling no, all
Speaker 7: of a sudden we feel threatened.
Speaker 8: And it's not just the younger Jewish generation. Ninety three
Speaker 8: year old Holocaust survivor Egon Sonoshein lives in Sydney. He's
Speaker 8: endured the very worst of anti Semitism and he's extremely
Speaker 8: alarmed at its resurgence.
Speaker 4: Do you feel scared?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I'm scared and upset and I never thought it
Speaker 7: in my lifetime I will be able to experience such
Speaker 7: a thing.
Speaker 2: And behind the documentary, Josh Fredenberger joins us now, Josh, welcome,
Speaker 2: this was such an important documentary to make, to be
Speaker 2: with you, It's great to have your company as well.
Speaker 2: There's a lot to talk about with regards this documentary,
Speaker 2: but I wanted to ask you about this ninety three
Speaker 2: year old Holocaust survivor. What was it like talking to
Speaker 2: him and hearing how scared he is living in Australia
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 8: Well, James Egon was inspirational, he was dignified and as
Speaker 8: you could see, he was eloquent. He summed up the
Speaker 8: situation facing so many Austrange Jews right now. This was
Speaker 8: somebody who came from Europe after the horrors of the Holocaust,
Speaker 8: was warmly embraced by this great country, and now suddenly,
Speaker 8: into his nineties, he's feeling unsafe and threatened. And that's
Speaker 8: just not on. It's a sign, if we needed another
Speaker 8: sign of a comprehendi failure of leadership in this country,
Speaker 8: from government, from our institutions, from law enforcement that's seen
Speaker 8: this explosion of anti Semitism in the last eight months
Speaker 8: since the tragedy of October the seventh.
Speaker 2: Indeed, as I watched Josh, I couldn't help but agree
Speaker 2: with John Howard and Julia Gillard, both of whom expressed
Speaker 2: shock at the reaction in Australia to the events of
Speaker 2: October seven. Here's some of what they had to say.
Speaker 7: I'd never hear was like, where the Jews or.
Speaker 4: Whatever the word that they were words of hate?
Speaker 1: Surely in the modern world, in modern Australia were better
Speaker 1: than that.
Speaker 2: Well, as you just heard Julia Gillard say, we're supposed
Speaker 2: to be better than that, but clearly our country is
Speaker 2: not better than that.
Speaker 3: So how is our entry changed.
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's fair to say everyone's been shocked
Speaker 8: by the events in Australia since October the seventh, And
Speaker 8: who would have thought that after the massacre of twelve
Speaker 8: hundred innocent people in Israel, the burning of bodies, the
Speaker 8: beheading of people, the rape, the torture people in this
Speaker 8: country outside our national icon, the Sydney Opera House would
Speaker 8: be celebrating just hours after those events, and well before
Speaker 8: Israel had even begun its attempt to rescue its hostages
Speaker 8: from Gaza. But this is not an isolated incident. What
Speaker 8: we saw outside the Opera House we saw also in
Speaker 8: the Jewish suburb of Corfield where there was a violent demonstration.
Speaker 8: We've seen the docks of six hundred Jewish creatives, including
Speaker 8: the well known and regarded, well regarded Debrah Conway. We've
Speaker 8: seen the campus camps of hate, and we've seen Jewish
Speaker 8: businesses being boycotted simply because their owners are Jewish. And
Speaker 8: that's just not on. So, you know, it's hard to
Speaker 8: actually explain, James, why this is all happening other than
Speaker 8: people not having any sense of objectivity and not having
Speaker 8: any sense of history and the lesson of history from
Speaker 8: where anti Semitism can lead.
Speaker 4: And it kind of begs the question, Josh, how we
Speaker 4: got to this point and you talked to the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister of course tonight about his take on all of this.
Speaker 4: He talked a little bit about the fact that you know,
Speaker 4: we have to stamp out and call out anti Semitism
Speaker 4: everywhere we see it.
Speaker 9: Here he is we're targeting of the business because it
Speaker 9: happens to be owned by someone who happens to be Jewish,
Speaker 9: is in my view, anathema to what Australia represents. It's
Speaker 9: not who we are and that's why we need to
Speaker 9: call out anti semitism when we see it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 4: The PM said all the right things to you in
Speaker 4: the doco, but you, and certainly John Howard in the
Speaker 4: documentary tonight and I and many others have been quite
Speaker 4: critical of him and his government's response to anti semitism,
Speaker 4: basically not stemming it since what happened on the steps
Speaker 4: of the Opera House on October the ninth. It's a
Speaker 4: lack of leadership. I suppose having sat down with the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister and discussed this, do you get the impression
Speaker 4: that he actually cares and actually wants to do something
Speaker 4: about it, or is it saying the right words to
Speaker 4: the right audience.
Speaker 8: Well, I don't think he's backing up the words with action.
Speaker 8: And while I had hope he'd comprehend the gravity of
Speaker 8: the situation, I'd like to see a lot stronger action
Speaker 8: from here. We can't just replay what we've seen over
Speaker 8: the last eight months for the next eight months. We
Speaker 8: need a reset from government. We need to see strong,
Speaker 8: decisive leadership because, as John Howard did say in the documentary,
Speaker 8: the Prime Minister of the day sets the tone for
Speaker 8: the country and there have been red lines that have
Speaker 8: been clearly crossed and the law, even the Prime Minister
Speaker 8: himself acknowledged, is not being enforced in this country. How
Speaker 8: can you have people preaching g hat, How can you
Speaker 8: have the events outside the Opera House and in Corefield
Speaker 8: and nobody being charged as a result. That begs the
Speaker 8: question where where is our law enforcement? Where is our
Speaker 8: Human Rights Commission? And where is our government when such
Speaker 8: terrible things have happened and people are living in fear
Speaker 8: And this is not nineteen thirty four, this is twenty
Speaker 8: twenty four in Australia, and as Julie Gillard said, we're
Speaker 8: much better than that. And there are so many people
Speaker 8: in this documentary from all walks of life who are
Speaker 8: ringing the alarm bell, not least of whom was Sir
Speaker 8: Peter Cosgrove, one of the most distinguished and decorated Australians,
Speaker 8: who said Hitler would be proud of the violent anti
Speaker 8: semitism that we're now seeing in Australia. If that's not
Speaker 8: a warning sign to our leaders that they have to
Speaker 8: lift their game, I don't know what is.
Speaker 4: Let's step into fantasyland for a little minute and just
Speaker 4: imagine that you're still the Member for ku Yong and
Speaker 4: you are Prime Minister. If I know, it's a chuckle
Speaker 4: and I won't ask you the question if you're going
Speaker 4: to run again, We've been there before. But let's imagine
Speaker 4: that you're currently Prime minister. You talk about this reset,
Speaker 4: the country's reset in terms of anti Semitism, What would
Speaker 4: you do as leader of the country to stem, and
Speaker 4: I suppose more importantly, reverse the rise of anti Semitism
Speaker 4: that we've seen.
Speaker 8: Well, firstly, for all those headlines writers for tomorrow, I'm not,
Speaker 8: you know, the leader of the country, and I'm enjoying
Speaker 8: life outside of politics. But what I do think we
Speaker 8: need is both hard and soft power. More of that.
Speaker 8: When I talk about hard power, it's the law enforcement.
Speaker 8: I think, you know, we've we've got to see people
Speaker 8: face the consequences for incitement to violence and to hate.
Speaker 8: And Caleb, you Liz James have every night been talking
Speaker 8: about what's happening on our university campuses. And I have
Speaker 8: to tell you, I'm so disappointed and by the failure
Speaker 8: of our university leadership, chancellors and vice chancellors to actually
Speaker 8: take the moral high ground and to to actually take
Speaker 8: on the mob which cannot be appeased in these on
Speaker 8: these campuses. So I'd like to see people who say
Speaker 8: the river from the River to the Palestine to be free,
Speaker 8: I would like to see them pay, to face sanctions,
Speaker 8: to face the consequences of that statement, because that statement
Speaker 8: is calling for the abolition of the state of Israel.
Speaker 8: And with respect to soft power, I'd like to see
Speaker 8: more education, because clearly there's a gap, particularly with our
Speaker 8: young people, in their understanding, with their comprehension, with their
Speaker 8: knowledge of World War II, of the Holocaust, and indeed
Speaker 8: of the history of the Middle East. Because Israel's existence
Speaker 8: did not start in nineteen forty eight. It goes back
Speaker 8: thousands of years from a Jewish connection to the state
Speaker 8: of Israel, and you can see that in the western
Speaker 8: wall there. And whether it's the use of lawfare in
Speaker 8: the ICC and the ICJ calling Israel a genocidal state,
Speaker 8: whether it's the allegation that Israel is apartheid state, or
Speaker 8: whether it's the notion that Israel as a colonial estate,
Speaker 8: all of those statements are factually inaccurate and wrong, and
Speaker 8: they're all designed to delegitimize the State of Israel. And
Speaker 8: that is not in the world's interests, and it's certainly
Speaker 8: not in Australia's interest because our bilateral relationship has been
Speaker 8: strong and as we're heard in the program, Zionism and
Speaker 8: believing in the state of Israel is something that a
Speaker 8: number of very good people believe in.
Speaker 4: Josh.
Speaker 1: The documentary effectively knits together many of the instances of
Speaker 1: due hatred in Australia since October seven. You asked the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister whether we need our insultant laws incitement laws
Speaker 1: rather to be beefed up given they're proving useless For
Speaker 1: those viewers at home who.
Speaker 5: Didn't hear what he had to say in reply here he.
Speaker 9: Is one of my concerns is that there are laws
Speaker 9: there that I don't think been implemented. Let's reinforce what's there.
Speaker 9: If people are breaking the law, then they should be prosecuted.
Speaker 3: That's why we have laws.
Speaker 1: But it's already very obvious these laws simply aren't working.
Speaker 1: We've seen none of the mob rejoicing on the steps
Speaker 1: of the Opera House prosecuted, none of the hate preachers prosecuted,
Speaker 1: none of those responsible for doxing Jewish Australians prosecuted. What
Speaker 1: do you make of the inaction of our state and
Speaker 1: federal governments given these laws were literally created for such
Speaker 1: a time as this.
Speaker 8: Well, I think the lack of law enforcement leads has
Speaker 8: been a green light to the mob, as you say,
Speaker 8: which cannot be appeased. And they've been emboldened by the
Speaker 8: inaction of our governments, emboldened by the inaction of law enforcement,
Speaker 8: emboldened by the inaction of our institutions, including the Human
Speaker 8: Rights Commission. And these people cannot be appeased. So we
Speaker 8: need to see a lot tougher action, because the lesson
Speaker 8: of history is that bad things happen when good people
Speaker 8: stay silent and turning the other cheek hoping this will
Speaker 8: all go away is not good enough. It's certainly not
Speaker 8: good enough for the many, many Jewish Australians who are
Speaker 8: feeling unsafe and fearful here in Australia.
Speaker 4: Josh, I just got to ask you. Obviously, in the
Speaker 4: course of filming the documentary, you became quite emotional when
Speaker 4: we saw tonight that you cried at one person's story.
Speaker 4: You would be more aware as a member of the
Speaker 4: Jewish community than many of us exactly how bad things are.
Speaker 4: But were you in any way almost shocked to discover
Speaker 4: some of the stories you heard and to learn exactly
Speaker 4: how bad it was from some other people's perspectives.
Speaker 8: Certainly when I spoke to Maggie and Josh who owned
Speaker 8: this gift shop in Thornbury in Melbourne, and I heard
Speaker 8: about the death threats against their five year old which
Speaker 8: followed Josh being dosed he's also a musician, and their
Speaker 8: shop being vandalized, and the personal trauma and pain and
Speaker 8: hate that was directed towards them. You know, that is
Speaker 8: just simply unacceptable and you could only you know, feel
Speaker 8: their pain when you met with them, and that was
Speaker 8: what opened the floodgates to the emotion and to the
Speaker 8: tears and judging by the response of tonight's documentary. Many
Speaker 8: many Australians have felt the same way watching what happened,
Speaker 8: and you also referenced Caleb, you know, talking to the
Speaker 8: Holocaust survivors. They were so inspirational and they had this
Speaker 8: inner strength, but they also had fear, and to hear
Speaker 8: them have fear in their late nineties is again another
Speaker 8: sign that what has happened in Australia is just not
Speaker 8: on It's un Australian and it needs to stop.
Speaker 3: Josh.
Speaker 2: Just going back to the non enforcement of hate speech laws,
Speaker 2: we've seen police arrest supporters of Israel who have done
Speaker 2: nothing wrong for their own safety of course, rather than
Speaker 2: arrest the pro Palestinian protesters. I was at a pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian rally and I asked a police officer if someone
Speaker 2: started yelling out killed the Jews, would you arrest them?
Speaker 2: And he thought for a moment, he said, I'd check
Speaker 2: with my superior first, which made me think, is the
Speaker 2: failure to enforce these laws an issue of fear that
Speaker 2: authorities are afraid if we start arresting for people for
Speaker 2: stuff like this. There's just too many people who feel
Speaker 2: that way, and we're going to have a riot.
Speaker 3: On our hands.
Speaker 8: Well, I think the best indication of that view is
Speaker 8: from our university chancellors who have sought to negotiate with
Speaker 8: these people who have set up these encampments and taken
Speaker 8: over buildings at Sydney and Melbourne and elsewhere. You know,
Speaker 8: that is just a sign of weakness, and weakness is
Speaker 8: provocative and it certainly emboldens the mob. You know, you
Speaker 8: can't negotiate with these people, and our leaders at our
Speaker 8: university should not be afraid to use law enforcement when
Speaker 8: people are breaking the law. And to listen to Mark Scott,
Speaker 8: who's the Vice chancell of Sydney University, who simply just
Speaker 8: doesn't get it to hear him say people can walk
Speaker 8: around the encampment or this is just an example of
Speaker 8: free speech and draw an analogy with the Vietnam War
Speaker 8: protests or protests on nuclear disarmament. That just misses the
Speaker 8: point all together. And what is more, he also said,
Speaker 8: you know, bringing in the police in the United States
Speaker 8: increased anti Semitism. I mean that's an inversion of the
Speaker 8: truth of the facts, the realities. The police were brought
Speaker 8: into the US campuses because they became crimes scenes, because
Speaker 8: people had taken over buildings violently and this is why
Speaker 8: we do need to use law enforcement, because the law
Speaker 8: has been broken and has been broken by an unruly
Speaker 8: mob who have had the upper hand for too long
Speaker 8: since October the seventh.
Speaker 2: Well, Josh, thanks so much for your time and congratulations
Speaker 2: again on a brilliant documentary. I highly recommend that you
Speaker 2: at home, if you've not yet seen it, that you
Speaker 2: must watch it. So to stream the full documentary and
Speaker 2: extended interviews from Never Again the Fight Against Anti Semitism,
Speaker 2: you just need to visit skynews dot com dot Au
Speaker 2: or download the Sky News Australia app.
Speaker 3: Liz. Let's go from that very moving topic, and Josh
Speaker 3: spoke so well.
Speaker 2: He's a gift to our country. Let's go to America.
Speaker 2: What's happening in the US at.
Speaker 1: The moment, all little bit of movement around the Assange case.
Speaker 5: President Donald Trump has said.
Speaker 1: That should he take office in November, he will seriously
Speaker 1: consider pardoning Julian Assange and putting an end to the
Speaker 1: matter altogether. Here he was very recently talking to a
Speaker 1: podcaster by the name of Tim.
Speaker 4: Poole, Will you pardon Julian A sane?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm going to talk about that today and we're
Speaker 7: going to give it very serious consideration.
Speaker 1: And here's Albanezi just last week saying, well, that's kind
Speaker 1: of what should happen.
Speaker 9: Yes, our position has been very clear, same position I
Speaker 9: had is as opposition later I've had as Prime minister,
Speaker 9: which is enough is enough. There's nothing to be served
Speaker 9: by the ongoing incarceration of mister Asanche.
Speaker 1: Now, this is actually a massive one point eighty by Trump.
Speaker 1: Back in twenty seventeen, his Secretary of State Mike Pompeo,
Speaker 1: who was director of the CIA, was in charge at
Speaker 1: the time, the CIA was shown to be plotting Assange's abduction,
Speaker 1: end or assassination. It sounds like some sort of movie,
Speaker 1: but no, in truth, this did happen. Top CIA officials,
Speaker 1: now former officials, did up a report detailing these plans
Speaker 1: and said that they were even asked for sketches or
Speaker 1: different scenarios as to how Assange might be assassinated. They
Speaker 1: were so humiliated, so furious at Assange for exposing their
Speaker 1: war crimes in Iraq. These CIA officials say that nothing
Speaker 1: was off the table. So, like I say, this is
Speaker 1: actually a massive one to eighty.
Speaker 5: A lot of people don't remember that.
Speaker 1: But Trump was in charge back then, and they seriously
Speaker 1: wanted to get this guy at any cost whatsoever. So
Speaker 1: the fact that he is now here, we are quite
Speaker 1: a few years later saying that actually would seriously consider
Speaker 1: just calling it quits and letting him go home.
Speaker 5: This is a massive turnaround, absolutely is.
Speaker 2: And at the end of Trump's term he could have
Speaker 2: pardoned Assange. He pardons seventy three people, and there was
Speaker 2: plenty of pressure for him to pardon Assans then and
Speaker 2: he didn't. So how do you explain the massive turnaround?
Speaker 2: What's changed? I wonder if this is the thing that's changed.
Speaker 2: Trump himself is fighting lawfair. He himself is seen as
Speaker 2: a victim of injustice. It would be a little bit
Speaker 2: awkward for him in his current predicament to say no, no,
Speaker 2: Assange must be extradited to America, he must face the
Speaker 2: full weight of the law, when so many people, including
Speaker 2: many of Trump's own supporters, think that the Sange is
Speaker 2: a victim of law fair. So is that what's going
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 4: I think there's also been such a huge passage of
Speaker 4: time between the alleged crime being committed and now finally
Speaker 4: getting potentially towards a trial right that. I think the
Speaker 4: public interest that has just completely evaporated, like what you
Speaker 4: achieve now by continuing to prosecute Assange is arguably minimal.
Speaker 4: And we know that his accomplish Chelsea Manning was pardoned
Speaker 4: by President Obama when he was in power, So there's
Speaker 4: already there's a very strong argument for that pardon to
Speaker 4: be forthcoming. But I cannot let Albanesi get away with this,
Speaker 4: because can we bring that clipback of Albanesi last week
Speaker 4: May the twenty first, talking about how he thinks Assans
Speaker 4: could be freed. We haven't got the clip just yet,
Speaker 4: but let me know when we've got it. Anyway, So
Speaker 4: he gets up and says, okay, so I think Assan
Speaker 4: should be freed, and he has talked about this before
Speaker 4: the government has given it support. He's the clip.
Speaker 9: Our position has been very clear, same position I had
Speaker 9: is as opposition leader, I've had as Prime minister, which
Speaker 9: is enough is enough. There's nothing to be served by
Speaker 9: the ongoing incarceration of mister Assange.
Speaker 4: Now that's great, But he then said this about the
Speaker 4: ic C going after Benjamin Nettinyahu a couple of minutes later.
Speaker 9: Well, I don't comment on court processes in Australia, let
Speaker 9: alone court processes globally, of which Australia is not a party.
Speaker 4: Nice try it having your cake and eating it too, Albanesi,
Speaker 4: He is right, but I mean, come on, make try
Speaker 4: it on. But there's an absolute argument for Trump to
Speaker 4: pardon him because it's already been done with Chelsea Manning.
Speaker 4: And I just don't think people care anymore like no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I mean, in terms of the hatred that existed for
Speaker 4: Julian Assange, there was a time when Julian Nossange has
Speaker 4: always had a core popular group, but there was a
Speaker 4: time when Julian Nossange was, you know, a persona non
Speaker 4: grata when it came to the US. I just don't
Speaker 4: think that animosity towards Assange exists in the same way
Speaker 4: that it used to.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's due to the truth coming out.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were told that Julian had been instrumental
Speaker 1: in hacking into the CIA. This was the biggest data
Speaker 1: breach the CIA has ever seen. It's all Julian's fault,
Speaker 1: but it was proven in Chelsea Manning's court martial trial
Speaker 1: that no hacking occurred. Every single document that was leaked
Speaker 1: was accessible by Chelsea Manning due to the clearance that
Speaker 1: she had at the time, and this was a leak
Speaker 1: like any other, simply.
Speaker 5: Handed to a journal. And this is what.
Speaker 1: The US refers to as the New York Times problem,
Speaker 1: because they said, if we go after WikiLeaks, where every
Speaker 1: other major media outlet who are household names in the
Speaker 1: States have also leaked confidential, top secret, national security type
Speaker 1: stuff before.
Speaker 5: That's what journals do when they get a leak.
Speaker 1: And so I think Trump also REALI that even if
Speaker 1: he is extradited to the.
Speaker 5: States, the case.
Speaker 1: Now is paper thin compared to what it was back then,
Speaker 1: before the public knew as much about the case as
Speaker 1: they do now.
Speaker 3: What all of this shows is the power of words
Speaker 3: from a US president.
Speaker 2: That podcast interview was seven seconds, that's all Trump said
Speaker 2: on the issue, and it's generating headlines tonight all around
Speaker 2: the world.
Speaker 4: And of course, James, though you have previously held forward
Speaker 4: that assign should be prosecuted, do you think he should
Speaker 4: still be prosecuted?
Speaker 3: Are you trying to get me in trouble with Lizzie.
Speaker 4: I'm simply asking you the question.
Speaker 2: I do think he should be I think that national
Speaker 2: security is a massively important thing, which and again that.
Speaker 1: Was shown not to be breached. No state secrets were linked.
Speaker 1: None of our enemies have picked up anything from this
Speaker 1: leak that they could then use. Otherwise the States wouldn't
Speaker 1: be prosecuting to the full extent of the law. But
Speaker 1: they know they can't even point to an instance of well,
Speaker 1: this information then found its way into the arms of
Speaker 1: Iraq or Afghanistan and they were able to use it.
Speaker 5: No, none of that happens.
Speaker 3: I just need to finish the sentence.
Speaker 2: I just think that national security is incredibly important. We're
Speaker 2: going to talk in the papers about twelve hundred Chinese
Speaker 2: spies on Australian soil. The allegations have not been tested
Speaker 2: in a court. A scientists spent the better part of
Speaker 2: a decade or more running from these charges being tested
Speaker 2: in a court.
Speaker 3: It should be tried.
Speaker 1: Found because the CIA has plotted it, you wouldn't go
Speaker 1: on the run.
Speaker 5: Better than anyone.
Speaker 2: What They actually don't have a problem with democratic nations
Speaker 2: plotting to assassinate people who steal military secrets and make
Speaker 2: them public.
Speaker 3: I think oka.
Speaker 5: Military secrets they're war crimes.
Speaker 1: Of course, that is their secrets, but they're dirty secrets.
Speaker 1: And as I say, ad nauseum, if you don't want
Speaker 1: to get done for corruption, try not being corrupt. What
Speaker 1: he leaked was the video footage of civilians being gunned down.
Speaker 4: Was no jolly reeson.
Speaker 3: That was amongst the information that he leaked.
Speaker 2: I just think tried in court. If he's innocent and
Speaker 2: the cases, as you say, paper thin, then you'll be
Speaker 2: found not guilty. You have some trust in the American
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: You have to try every single media outlet, which Julian
Speaker 1: always called wiki leaks. Then you'd have to try every
Speaker 1: single one of them for leaking any confidential information that
Speaker 1: they've got their myths on by other whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: Well, if that's the case, sure start with Juliana sangan Oh.
Speaker 3: From there, we're going to go to a break while
Speaker 3: this berates me.
Speaker 2: But when we come back, we'll look at what's making
Speaker 2: news in tomorrow's capers.
Speaker 3: Don't go away, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making news in tomorrow's papers.
Speaker 2: We'll start with the Herald's Sun. In fact, a lot
Speaker 2: of papers are running this story on their front page tomorrow.
Speaker 2: The news limited papers at least ex operatives alarming warning
Speaker 2: over Communist regimes espionage activities on our soil. The headline reads,
Speaker 2: one two hundred Chinese spies in Australia. About two hundred
Speaker 2: Chinese spies, including two hundred professionals, are in Australia collecting information,
Speaker 2: surveilling and harassing targets for the Communist regime, a former
Speaker 2: operative says. The article goes on to say a former
Speaker 2: Chinese spy who goes by the name Eric, warned Australia
Speaker 2: must not stand idle in any potential US China conflict,
Speaker 2: or he says, quote, it's going to be the start
Speaker 2: of Australia's nightmare. Now, Eric, who as the article says,
Speaker 2: was a former Communist spy, was speaking at a newslimited
Speaker 2: event and curiously, right before he was about to speak,
Speaker 2: the Chinese gentleman who was going to be his interpreter
Speaker 2: quit abruptly, fearing consequences for the event. So that tells
Speaker 2: you something about the pressure that's being exerted even on
Speaker 2: Chinese people here in this country. Eric said that there's
Speaker 2: about one thing, what he called low level spies.
Speaker 3: These are people who.
Speaker 2: Don't have any sort of alias, but they're just operating
Speaker 2: in public. Essentially reporting back to Communist officials about activities
Speaker 2: here in Australia and harassing Chinese locals. And then there's
Speaker 2: about two hundred spies who've got cover stories people he
Speaker 2: calls professional spies who are reporting back military secrets and
Speaker 2: the like.
Speaker 3: Are we surprised by this?
Speaker 4: No, I mean, a great exclusive by Catherine Birmingham, the
Speaker 4: fact that this is going on is not a surprise,
Speaker 4: I don't think. I mean, look, you'd be more surprised
Speaker 4: if you learned that we didn't have any Chinese spies
Speaker 4: in this country. But let's not forget that when Anthony
Speaker 4: Halpinisi went over to China to meet with Jijingping, he
Speaker 4: talked about the merits of whether or not panned is acute.
Speaker 4: And meanwhile, we've got twelve hundred Communist spies running around
Speaker 4: this country hoovering up secrets that they're sending back to
Speaker 4: the CCP so the CCP can presumably use them against us.
Speaker 4: We are dealing with this country as though it is
Speaker 4: a friend, and it is not our friend. It is
Speaker 4: in many ways our enemy, and we're stuck in this
Speaker 4: difficult position of knowing what an important trading partner they
Speaker 4: are and how important it is to our economy. But
Speaker 4: by accepting that, we have to sell ourselves up the
Speaker 4: creek and almost turn to blind eye to this stuff.
Speaker 4: Sure we're making lots of money now, but it hurts
Speaker 4: us in the long run. We lose our sovereignty.
Speaker 1: There's certain things that we can do to claw back
Speaker 1: bits of sovereignty, like getting rid of the Confucius Institutes
Speaker 1: out of our Australian universities. Can you imagine any Chinese
Speaker 1: universities allowing there to be like Australia clubs, espousing Western.
Speaker 5: Values and all the rest of it. They would never
Speaker 5: dream of it. The amount of foreign ownership we have
Speaker 5: in our nation.
Speaker 1: You and I being Australian citizens can't buy a dung
Speaker 1: heap in China because they know what's good for their
Speaker 1: country and they sin plea wouldn't allow it. The amount
Speaker 1: of soft power that these guys hold behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: Our politicians know it and allow it. It's reflected in legislation,
Speaker 1: whether it's foreign ownership, Confucius institutes. We do play friendly,
Speaker 1: but we can put our foot down in ways that
Speaker 1: wouldn't cost us economically. Like enough with the Confucius Institutes,
Speaker 1: you don't get to have these clubs in our western
Speaker 1: universities that espouse c seeps p values and are basically
Speaker 1: tiny hubs of little spies at our universities.
Speaker 5: That's what they use them for. It's just unbelievable. Come on, Australia,
Speaker 5: wake up before it's too late.
Speaker 1: As Eric says to the front page of The Australia, Now,
Speaker 1: PM Giles stick behind catastrophic direction, ninety nine rapist attacks
Speaker 1: twenty six women kids.
Speaker 5: And keeps his visa.
Speaker 1: A serial rapist who assaulted twenty six women and children
Speaker 1: kept his visa as a result of Andrew Charles's catastrophic
Speaker 1: push to give more leniency to foreign born criminals with
Speaker 1: ties to Australia. As the embattled Immigration Minister scrambles to
Speaker 1: review the dozens of deportations canceled as a result of
Speaker 1: his policy. The Australian also reveals in this front page
Speaker 1: splash that some of the worst child abuse material in
Speaker 1: the world is held by a rapist who molested four
Speaker 1: children and a crimical who a criminal who laundered more
Speaker 1: than five million dollars, both of which also kept their visas.
Speaker 5: Where's the line, Where is the line? What is it
Speaker 5: going to be?
Speaker 1: Thirty women before they're deported. How many children does it
Speaker 1: have to be before these sickos are.
Speaker 5: Sent back to where they came from. The fact that.
Speaker 1: They haven't already just abolish Direction nine and gone back
Speaker 1: to the whiteboard is unspeakable.
Speaker 4: At this stage. The definition of stupidity is doing the
Speaker 4: same thing again and again and expecting a different result.
Speaker 4: I mean, surely it is staring them in their face
Speaker 4: that from the beginning of the decision that was made
Speaker 4: in the High Court and their response to it, they
Speaker 4: have stuffed this up at every single stage. They didn't
Speaker 4: have legislation ready to go to reverse the letting out
Speaker 4: all those people into the community. Then they brought up
Speaker 4: legislation so they could redetain people. They've used it to
Speaker 4: redetain zero people so far. This directive from January last year,
Speaker 4: which continually has been proven to let out serious offenders
Speaker 4: who should not be in this country. They should be deported.
Speaker 4: Whence they came no, we're not going to fix that.
Speaker 4: I mean, if Andrew Giles was a horse, you take
Speaker 4: him to the doggers. He is that damn useless and
Speaker 4: that's what the Prime Minister needs to do with him.
Speaker 4: Take him out the back and say, mate, go and
Speaker 4: play in the sand pit. You're not welcome anymore in
Speaker 4: the cabinet because the shame and disgrace that he brings
Speaker 4: upon the government every single day continues to mount. The
Speaker 4: Prime Minister might be stupid, but he ain't that stupid. Surely,
Speaker 4: surely he can see with that assertion.
Speaker 2: I kind of one of the reasons he's let Giles
Speaker 2: remain in the position so long is because it's so
Speaker 2: obvious he should have been sacked months ago that the
Speaker 2: moment Albanezi now sacks him, the question will be asked,
Speaker 2: why didn't you do this months ago? Indeed, as you said,
Speaker 2: ed Mark, how many women need to get raped until
Speaker 2: Albaneze finally does something. So I think they're just closing
Speaker 2: their eyes and hoping, please, not another newspaper headline that's this.
Speaker 5: Oh, this headline should be the end of him. I
Speaker 5: should be his funeral there.
Speaker 4: But it won't. It won't. You watch, we'll be back
Speaker 4: tomorrow and there'll probably be another great story on the
Speaker 4: front of the odds. And thank god they are doing
Speaker 4: the work to bring all of this to light, because
Speaker 4: without it we wouldn't know. Let's move on to the
Speaker 4: cans Post tomorrow, where a curious story a lesson in
Speaker 4: terror is the headline. Twelve teachers in a remote community
Speaker 4: in the Gulf of Carpenterria have been given Juris alarms
Speaker 4: and had heat senses installed in their homes as school
Speaker 4: violence escalates. One teacher was hit with a baseball bat.
Speaker 4: And you know, we talk at nauseum about the youth
Speaker 4: crime crisis across the country, but particularly in Queensland. But
Speaker 4: I mean, I imagine you go to work as a teacher,
Speaker 4: you don't get paid all that much comparatively, and you
Speaker 4: have to go home at night and worry about whether
Speaker 4: someone a young kid is going to break into your
Speaker 4: home and assault you. Could it get any worse?
Speaker 2: We don't know from this front page which school it was,
Speaker 2: but there's a school in a racoon where at the
Speaker 2: end of first term this year, seventeen out of twenty
Speaker 2: three teachers resigned, leaving just six teachers left. The school
Speaker 2: employs ten full time sucuscurity guards. And now the government's
Speaker 2: offering a nine thousand dollars one off payment plus an
Speaker 2: extra one hundred and fifty dollars a day to anyone
Speaker 2: who will go there and teach. So that gives you
Speaker 2: some indication as to what's happening in North Queensland.
Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we know there's a crime crisis,
Speaker 2: not just in North Queensland, but in America, where police
Speaker 2: are now arresting alligators.
Speaker 3: It's coming up in a moment. Well.
Speaker 2: America's response to the crime crisis took an unexpected turn
Speaker 2: when police in Georgia arrested an alligator that had taken
Speaker 2: up residence in someone's driveway and well, look, I want
Speaker 2: to tire it out.
Speaker 8: If you don't want to jump on it a bud, respond, then.
Speaker 7: That's right.
Speaker 2: Business enders Kaylen. Probably not what you expect when you
Speaker 2: go to the police academy, but I like that the
Speaker 2: officers stopped for a moment there and they offered kids
Speaker 2: a pat of the alligator before they took him away.
Speaker 4: He would agree, if he were a kid, I would
Speaker 4: have been running in the other direction. But let's feel
Speaker 4: he's no Steve Verwin, is he? I mean I wanted
Speaker 4: to see him get it oh right, you know, I
Speaker 4: know it was an alligator, not a crocodile. But over
Speaker 4: the days of stever, h and I reckon. They were
Speaker 4: just like really great days for Australia, weren't they when
Speaker 4: he was representing the country all over the world.
Speaker 5: Hair hair, one of a kind. Back home now to Victoria,
Speaker 5: where we.
Speaker 1: All know prices are going up even if you're just
Speaker 1: having a coffee at your local cafe. Consumers are like,
Speaker 1: we can't really live with a lot more of this.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: A post went viral just yesterday, a young guy sharing
Speaker 1: the fact that he'd been charged a dollar on top
Speaker 1: of his seven dollar muffin. So that's eight dollars in total,
Speaker 1: one dollar for having it heated.
Speaker 5: You know how they always ask God, would you like
Speaker 5: that heated?
Speaker 1: If you're buying banana bread or whatever. So this guy,
Speaker 1: they didn't tell him they were charging him an extra dollar.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the price of electricity?
Speaker 4: That's cheap?
Speaker 2: Only a dollar for thirty seconds in the microph.
Speaker 4: Send the bill, Send the bill to Anthony Albanisi in
Speaker 4: making the.
Speaker 1: Weekend surcharge, the public holiday surcharge, inflation driving prices through.
Speaker 5: The roof as it is.
Speaker 1: And now they ask you a simple question of would
Speaker 1: you like that heated?
Speaker 5: We'll all be thinking twice.
Speaker 1: Now, how much are you going to charge me for
Speaker 1: the honor of not having a dry, crumbly muffin.
Speaker 4: We're going to have to start itemizing everything, like how
Speaker 4: much of the bill is for the dishwashing, how much
Speaker 4: of the bill is for the wear and tear on
Speaker 4: the seats that you're sitting on. I mean, next thing,
Speaker 4: they'll start charging you for emitting carbon dioxide when you're
Speaker 4: in the cafes. They can target carbage.
Speaker 1: Charging you extra for a bit of chit chat at
Speaker 1: the till.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, what's a story the other day
Speaker 2: about a restaurant that charged extra for someone to get
Speaker 2: different cuts because they had dropped it.
Speaker 3: On the floor.
Speaker 2: No, forget the dollar for reheating the muffin. Seven dollars
Speaker 2: for a muffin.
Speaker 5: I know. Look, if you'd already been the best muffin
Speaker 5: in the world.
Speaker 4: You didn't think that the cost of living crisis was real.
Speaker 4: Seven dollars muffins, damn well proves it doesn't it.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 3: On that note, that's it from us, But stick around.
Speaker 3: Coming up in just a moment is the reata Pennety Show.