WEBVTT - Sharri | 11 December

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry and Merry Christmas to you too, Andrew.

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<v Speaker 2>You've had an amazing year. Well, good evening everyone. This

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<v Speaker 2>is my second last show before the Christmas break. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>miss a minute because it's a massive program, A big

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<v Speaker 2>exclusive on Tony Birk's department asking Israeli visitors if they've

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<v Speaker 2>committed war crimes or witness genocide, just if they want

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<v Speaker 2>to come to our country.

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<v Speaker 3>That scoop coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, Israeli Eurovision singer Eden Golan is on the show exclusively.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight she was heckled, booed and face serious security threats,

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<v Speaker 2>and tonight she shares her powerful message.

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<v Speaker 3>About standing tall amid the hate.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, today the Prime Minister try to put the

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism genie back in the bottle.

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<v Speaker 3>Too little, too late.

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<v Speaker 2>Waking up this morning, we see the news and you think,

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<v Speaker 2>not again, that sick feeling in your.

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<v Speaker 3>Stomach, what is it this time?

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<v Speaker 2>And overnight it was a torched car an anti Semitic

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<v Speaker 2>vandalism in Willara, just three weeks after another anti Semitic

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<v Speaker 2>vandalism spree in the same suburb, and five days after

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<v Speaker 2>the Adas synagogue bombing. It seems we can't get through

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<v Speaker 2>a week without another horrific incident unfolding.

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<v Speaker 3>And I worry that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's too late to put this hatred back in

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<v Speaker 2>the box. Our political leaders and law enforcement have allowed

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<v Speaker 2>this to spread for fourteen months, and now they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to act, and it's just too late. The Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>finally stood up today and he said that antisemitism must end.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he supports banning protests outside homes of worship,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is exactly what I've been calling for. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>what he said.

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<v Speaker 4>We need an end to any Semtism. It is evil,

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<v Speaker 4>It diminishes ours is a nation. I own equivocally condemned

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<v Speaker 4>the shameful ex of violent aimed at the Jewish community.

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<v Speaker 4>I certainly support the banning of demonstrations outside any place

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<v Speaker 4>of worship.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is Alban Eazy trying to put the gen

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<v Speaker 2>back in the bottle. After allowing anti Israel hatred to

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<v Speaker 2>spill over into antisemitism for fourteen months, He's now realized

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<v Speaker 2>that Australians hate this ugly racism. He's realized this is

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<v Speaker 2>a major political problem for him. He's been pressured by

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<v Speaker 2>all of the media and so now, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to put the anti Semitism genie back in

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<v Speaker 2>the bottle after allowing it to run rampant to our

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<v Speaker 2>despair for too long. His government directly allowed this anti

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<v Speaker 2>Israel sentiment to spill over into naked jew hatred with

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<v Speaker 2>barely any pushback, and his government is still even as

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<v Speaker 2>we see f Israel spray painted on torched cars in

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish areas, his government is still perpetuating this anti Israel message.

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<v Speaker 2>Penniwong inflames tensions and heightens the temperature, emboldening the pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian activists with her constant.

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<v Speaker 3>Criticism of Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Prime Minister today reject this accusation. He claims

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<v Speaker 2>that Penny Wong understands racism.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone knows about racism, you know, this is someone who

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<v Speaker 4>understands very firsthand the damage that racism can cause.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, but just because she has personally experienced racism

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean she understands antisemitism, which she clearly doesn't. As

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Shima, liberal senator said here last night, her provocative

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<v Speaker 2>anti Israel retrick is only making this crisis worse.

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<v Speaker 5>Simply condones and encourages the sort of anti Israel sentiment

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<v Speaker 5>we've seen on the streets which is becoming very quickly

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<v Speaker 5>anti Semitic and anti Jewish as well. So I think

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<v Speaker 5>it was a particularly ill timed intervention by the Foreign Minister,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think she should be much more careful with

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<v Speaker 5>her language, given she is Australia's chief diplotment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Alben easy there rejecting those comments from Dave Sharma

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<v Speaker 2>and others. The Prime Minister today also wouldn't admit that

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<v Speaker 2>we're in an anti Semitism crisis. He was directly asked

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<v Speaker 2>that question and he again spoke about going to a

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<v Speaker 2>bar mitzvah and shabt as if he's only just found

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<v Speaker 2>out about these Jewish traditions.

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<v Speaker 4>On Saturday, I visited a synagogue.

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<v Speaker 6>I went to my first bar mitzvah there in Perth.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a criticism I've seen that we didn't go

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<v Speaker 6>with media. It was Shabbat of respect for the Jewish faith.

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<v Speaker 2>And he first made that bar mitzvah comment when he

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<v Speaker 2>turned up to the site of the terror attack, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was one of the very first things he said,

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<v Speaker 2>instead of expressing sorrow for what the community there is

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<v Speaker 2>going through.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to my first bar Mitzvah on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, come on, day in, day out.

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<v Speaker 2>For months, we've been begging for leadership on social cohesion,

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<v Speaker 2>on anti Semitism. Holocaust survivors in Josh Fridenberg's documentary implored

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<v Speaker 2>alban easy to act. That was five months ago. But

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<v Speaker 2>now anti Semitism is well and truly out of the box.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exploding, and finally the Prime Minister knows he has

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<v Speaker 2>to stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>But how do you stop it at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>I truly don't know, And I have to say it

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<v Speaker 2>made my stomach turn when I first saw this pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian prime minister, who's made horrible accusations against Israel his

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<v Speaker 2>entire career, standing in the Holocaust Museum for a political

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<v Speaker 2>press conference, for political point scoring. It really made me

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<v Speaker 2>feel uncomfortable, even queasy. But I know the Sydney Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>Museum is the best place for those who need an

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<v Speaker 2>education on anti Semitism, and by Albanesi certainly does.

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<v Speaker 3>After touring the Holocaust Museum, he finally took the right tone.

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<v Speaker 2>But he took a very different tone at a private

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<v Speaker 2>labor function, and he was caught on tape boasting about

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<v Speaker 2>making the Jewish community even more upset as he went

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<v Speaker 2>on to flag further changes in Australia's Israel position, and

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<v Speaker 2>I presume this will be at the United Nations, possibly

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<v Speaker 2>overnight tonight. This is what Criikee Daniel Seed reported. He

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<v Speaker 2>said in an audio recording heard by Criikee. Albanezy said

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<v Speaker 2>some people have got a bit upset. They'll be more

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<v Speaker 2>upset by Thursday, signaling a future announcement on Australia's position

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<v Speaker 2>on the conflict. The Prime Minister said there was criticism

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<v Speaker 2>from a leader on the other side of the world

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<v Speaker 2>about our stance in the Middle East, but that we

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<v Speaker 2>make no apologies for standing for two states in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East, the right of Israel to exist and the

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<v Speaker 2>right of Palestinians, after which he received strong applause in

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<v Speaker 2>the room and then criik He also reported this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I quote a source in the room told Criikee that

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<v Speaker 2>every staff in room winced as Albanzi declared an apparent

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<v Speaker 2>new position on Palestine on stage at the event.

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<v Speaker 1>WOW.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time that the Prime Minister tries to

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<v Speaker 2>make amends with the Jewish community for his disregard for

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<v Speaker 2>rising anti Semitism, his foreign minister and his government is

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<v Speaker 2>still demonizing Israel, and he turns up in an event

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<v Speaker 2>and says that we're going to all be even more upset,

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<v Speaker 2>caught on.

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<v Speaker 3>Tape saying it.

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<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 2>At the same time as these anti Semitic attacks are happening,

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<v Speaker 2>the Albaneze government appears to be continuing its campaign of

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<v Speaker 2>aggression towards Israel. And here's another shocking example. I can

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<v Speaker 2>exclusively reveal that the Albernezi government is officially asking many

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli visitors to Australia if they've.

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<v Speaker 3>Committed war crimes. It's outrageous.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke's Department of Home Affairs has been sending a

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<v Speaker 2>questionnaire to many Israeli visitors to ask them, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>quoting from the official form that I have a copy of.

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<v Speaker 2>It says, have you ever participated in the crime of genocide,

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<v Speaker 2>a crime against.

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<v Speaker 3>Humanity or a war crime?

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's a section where you can write details

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<v Speaker 2>of your involvement in war crimes and who issued the

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<v Speaker 2>orders to commit these war crimes. It also asks in

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<v Speaker 2>the form have you ever been a witness of war

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<v Speaker 2>crimes or a crime against humanity? Have you ever participated

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<v Speaker 2>in a war or armed conflict in any way, and

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<v Speaker 2>it asks again for details and leave space for how

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<v Speaker 2>the individuals involved. This is just someone wanting to visit

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<v Speaker 2>Australia this question as well. Have you ever participated in

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<v Speaker 2>any physical or psychological abuse against prisoners or civilians? Have

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<v Speaker 2>you ever participated in the capture of civilians in a

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<v Speaker 2>war or an art conflict? And DEFAT is also asking

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<v Speaker 2>for full details sorry home affairs not DEFAT is also

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<v Speaker 2>asking for full details of military training and service to

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<v Speaker 2>the army. Now this form isn't specific to Israel. It

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<v Speaker 2>can be sent to any country where the Department feels

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<v Speaker 2>that it needs more information about a person's military service.

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<v Speaker 2>But the issue is in Israel, military service is compulsory

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<v Speaker 2>for all young Israelis and people who often travel from

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<v Speaker 2>Israel to Australia and have done so for years. They've

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<v Speaker 2>never had to fill this out before. Now they're being

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<v Speaker 2>asked to. Now many people have contacted me about this,

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<v Speaker 2>but one family in particular has a terrible story. An

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<v Speaker 2>Australian Holocaust survivor will celebrate her one hundredth birthday in

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<v Speaker 2>a few weeks time. She wanted to be surrounded by

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<v Speaker 2>her children, her grandchildren and her great grandchildren, but some

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<v Speaker 2>of them live in Israel, and two family members have

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<v Speaker 2>not been granted visas to enter Australia because of their

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<v Speaker 2>military service in the Israeli Defense Force. Again it's compulsory

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<v Speaker 2>for all young Israelis. So this Australian Holocaust survivor, her

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one year old great granddaughter didn't get a visa

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<v Speaker 2>and then has had to now go back to the army,

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<v Speaker 2>her leave right out. She may never get to see

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<v Speaker 2>her great grandmother again. At one hundred, you just don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much time you have left now. The second

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<v Speaker 2>family member is currently stranded in Thailand.

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<v Speaker 3>He's been there for two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>The family has been frantically calling Tony Burk's office.

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<v Speaker 3>To no avail for weeks. Now they're left in Limbo.

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<v Speaker 2>So Albanezi stands up at the Holocaust Museum to speak

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<v Speaker 2>about antisemitism today, But this is how his government is

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<v Speaker 2>treating a Holocaust survivor who's an Australian citizen. At the

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<v Speaker 2>very moment the Albanese government claims that it cares about antisemitism,

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<v Speaker 2>it's asking visitors from Israel.

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<v Speaker 3>If they've committed war crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an inconsistent and contradictory position that shows the

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<v Speaker 2>extent of their moral confusion. The Albanese government is still

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<v Speaker 2>acting in a hostile way, depriving a Holocaust survivor of

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<v Speaker 2>spending her one hundredth birthday with her family. Now, today

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<v Speaker 2>Albanesi walked and he spoke alongside little shoes and items

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<v Speaker 2>of clothing left behind by Jews killed in the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 2>He used the holocu Cost Museum for political purposes. He

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<v Speaker 2>needs to back up his serious and solemn words with action.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs to stop demonizing Israel and Jewish families. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be joined by David Ossip a bit

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<v Speaker 2>later to speak about this issue and Albanese's two of

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<v Speaker 2>the Holocaust Museum today. But as I said, a big

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<v Speaker 2>show tonight, my exclusive interview with Israeli singer of Eurovision

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<v Speaker 2>Edon Galan. She's a global superstar. That's coming up later

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<v Speaker 2>in the show. Kosher Garda will be on to speak

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<v Speaker 2>about Trump's new business endeavor, Daniel Malino, Michael Suoka as well.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to get to all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But now let's bring in my favorite Wednesday panel, former

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<v Speaker 2>Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger and former Labor Minister

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<v Speaker 2>Graham Richardson.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to you both. Michael Kroger, what are.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts on everything I've just had to say and

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<v Speaker 2>Albanize's belated attempt to deal with this crisis.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm shocked at your revelation, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 7>time for this blake to resign. I mean, he's doing

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<v Speaker 7>permanent damage to this country. He wanders around Jewish institutions

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<v Speaker 7>railing against antisemitism. This is a bloke who hasn't visited

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<v Speaker 7>Israel since October seven, who didn't direct his Foreign minister

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<v Speaker 7>to visit the kid would see him and the Navy

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<v Speaker 7>Music Festival site, who personally hasn't been to Israel. He's

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<v Speaker 7>such a friend of Israel. He hasn't been there for

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<v Speaker 7>a quarter of a century. In eighteen and nineteen he

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<v Speaker 7>had three meetings. When he had three meetings with a

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<v Speaker 7>notorious anti semit Jeremy Corbyn, allowed himself to be photographed

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<v Speaker 7>with Corbyn. He wants to arrest the Israeli Prime minister

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<v Speaker 7>if he comes to this country. He couldn't wait to

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<v Speaker 7>restore funding to UNRA, despite the fact that there hadn't

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<v Speaker 7>been an investigation finished. He changed the designation of the

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<v Speaker 7>capital from West Jerusalem. He allowed three thousand residents of

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<v Speaker 7>Gaza to come to Australia. He told the Israeli government

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<v Speaker 7>not to go into Lebanon. He called for a ceasefire

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<v Speaker 7>repeatedly between Israel and the terrorist organization Hamas. He happily

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<v Speaker 7>was photographed with the Asa Arafat when he was younger. Well,

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<v Speaker 7>let's forgive him for that, because he was on a

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<v Speaker 7>PLA tour. He misleads the country about Green preferences. Let's

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<v Speaker 7>be very clear. He has the swing vote on the

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<v Speaker 7>federal executive. Labor Party ten Left, ten right and him

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<v Speaker 7>he has a swing vote. Elbows asked, oh, he says, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>it's a matter if they will. No, he is the organization,

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<v Speaker 7>the federal executive. It's his decision whether Labor give preferences

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<v Speaker 7>to the Greens or other parties. And Honored Goes refused

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<v Speaker 7>to hold a judicial inquiry into antisemitism, the disgraceful Jewish

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<v Speaker 7>hatred on a university campuses. Jillian Siegel, who we appointed

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<v Speaker 7>as the mission and then just completely ignored her. Refused

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<v Speaker 7>a visa to a former Israeli minister, allows four of

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<v Speaker 7>his front bingers to trash the Bob Hawk tradition just

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<v Speaker 7>so they can say their seats in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>No, he's a real friend of Israel and he's seriously

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<v Speaker 7>opposed to andy Sism. This blake who took six months

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<v Speaker 7>to clear extremists away from his own office. If he

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<v Speaker 7>can't get these these anti Semitic, anti Jewish racists away

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<v Speaker 7>from his own office for six months, what hope of

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<v Speaker 7>the Jewish community got? Chari?

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<v Speaker 2>You put it so well, Michael, when you detail the

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<v Speaker 2>extent of the past here, and I'm sure there would

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<v Speaker 2>be other examples better.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, that's half. That's about half of it. That's about

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<v Speaker 7>half of it, Charry. There's a lot more of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there were stories that I had even forgotten

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<v Speaker 2>that photograph with Arafat, you know, I broke that on

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<v Speaker 2>the show completely had forgotten about that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's just so much material here.

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<v Speaker 2>Rich Oh, we know you're a made of elbows before

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<v Speaker 2>you start defending him, but come on, richro I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he is standing there at the Holocaust Museum today. At

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, you've had Ed Husick this week speaking

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<v Speaker 2>about Islamophobia. The same with other ministers as well. Penny

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<v Speaker 2>Wong still criticizing Israel. Apparently just tonight we're expecting another

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<v Speaker 2>hostile vote at the United Nations. He's got to pull

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<v Speaker 2>his cabinet into line if he is serious about this issue.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think, rich O?

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<v Speaker 9>I think we have been a little loose, shall we say,

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<v Speaker 9>on the subject of Israel. I think overwhelmingly Australian support

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<v Speaker 9>the right of Israel to exist within safe and secure borders.

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<v Speaker 9>Overwhelmingly we do, and so it's only a very small

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<v Speaker 9>minority who don't. And if you side with that small minority,

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<v Speaker 9>you take a very big political risk, certainly not one

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<v Speaker 9>that I'd take. But it's not just about polling and

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<v Speaker 9>who wins elections. It's about principle as well. And the

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<v Speaker 9>principle involved here is absolutely clear, and we have nowhere

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<v Speaker 9>to go as a civilized nation except to continue to

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<v Speaker 9>support the right of Israel to exist with safety and

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<v Speaker 9>secure borders.

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<v Speaker 2>Rich I just want to ask you what's happened to

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Drefus and Richard Mars. What has happened to the

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<v Speaker 2>labor right that traditionally has been a friend of Israel.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, when you say that labor right, I've been somewhat

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<v Speaker 9>associated with the labor right for a few years and

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<v Speaker 9>I know a New South Wales conferences year after year

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<v Speaker 9>after year, we maintained very strong support for Israel. We

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<v Speaker 9>never weakened And as far as I'm concerned, Miles is

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<v Speaker 9>in the same category. He's never weakened in.

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<v Speaker 3>His support, just in his just in his power and

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<v Speaker 3>his character.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I mean, I think that you know, there's only

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<v Speaker 9>so much one man can do. But I think Miles

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<v Speaker 9>has been pretty good. I'm not going to criticize Miles for.

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<v Speaker 3>Where are they Why aren't they speaking out?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I suppose that they could get out a bit more.

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<v Speaker 9>I think Australia and the Australian Labor Party have done

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<v Speaker 9>so much over so long. I think people know where

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<v Speaker 9>we stand.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that. I don't know about that, Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what about the ABC. You might have heard

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<v Speaker 2>this already, but the host of ABC Radio Sydney's breakfast

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<v Speaker 2>program asked New South I was Premier Chris Mins today,

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<v Speaker 2>if this was really an anti Semitic incident, and if

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<v Speaker 2>it was merely a political stance, have a.

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<v Speaker 10>Look just on your wording in your statements this morning.

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<v Speaker 10>What's your reasoning for branding the attack anti Semitic and

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<v Speaker 10>not anti Israel. How do you make a distinction.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I think we would have to be willful

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<v Speaker 5>at this point to turn a blind eye to that

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<v Speaker 5>sequence of event and suggested to anything other than an

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<v Speaker 5>anti Semitic attack.

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<v Speaker 10>So if you're calling it anti Semitic rather than just

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<v Speaker 10>a political anti Israel statement, what you've been in public

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<v Speaker 10>life a long time is would you say anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 10>is at an all time high in your experience?

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<v Speaker 8>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I would.

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<v Speaker 2>And then just very quickly, as Chris Canny pointed out

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<v Speaker 2>that ABC has also suggested there's two sides to anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at this, none of that plays out at all.

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<v Speaker 11>Well, but you know, the government's record is that they

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<v Speaker 11>have moved on a whole range of fronts to try

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<v Speaker 11>to crack down on anti hate speech of all sorts,

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<v Speaker 11>but it has also been trying to maintain some sort

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<v Speaker 11>of middle path so that you know, there are two

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<v Speaker 11>sides in this dispute, and they've been trying to not

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<v Speaker 11>inflame the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael, That's pretty appalling, isn't.

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<v Speaker 7>It, Charie? What can you say? I mean, don't forget

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<v Speaker 7>this is an organization who during the First Goal War

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<v Speaker 7>had as their independent commentator on the Middle East, the

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<v Speaker 7>secretary of the Australian Iraq Friendship Society. They didn't realize

0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.520
<v Speaker 7>he was that until after the war was over. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>the anti Israel bias at the ABC is shocking. It's disgraceful.

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<v Speaker 7>We know who's behind it, one of their national international correspondents.

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<v Speaker 7>It's been going on for years and it's it's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 7>Is what is good news is that all of these

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<v Speaker 7>people are being exposed one by one, these racists who

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<v Speaker 7>are at these some of these demonstrations with with with Palestini,

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<v Speaker 7>with with Hesbalah flags, with Nazi symbols, yelling out Hamma slogans, journalists,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, one by one, a lot of these people

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<v Speaker 7>are being exposed. A lot of these people who are

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<v Speaker 7>at the demonstration down near jeff Shed, the Military Forces exhibition,

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<v Speaker 7>who've had their photographs in the paper The Dream left

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<v Speaker 7>any Jewish members of the arts community, bit by a bit,

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<v Speaker 7>one by one, people are realizing that out from under

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<v Speaker 7>these rocks of civilization are these Jewish hating racists who

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<v Speaker 7>have been sitting there quietly waiting for opportunity. And the

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<v Speaker 7>good news is the majority of the country in the

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<v Speaker 7>world are turning on them, saying we don't want that

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<v Speaker 7>type of division, We don't want that type of racism

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<v Speaker 7>in this country. People have come be for a peaceful,

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<v Speaker 7>happy life with their families. They love the Australian values.

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<v Speaker 7>They hate this type of division. And I have to

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<v Speaker 7>say Senator Jane Hume said this morning that the weakness

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<v Speaker 7>of the Albanese government had in bold and certain people

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<v Speaker 7>in this country, and I got to say Senator Jane

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<v Speaker 7>Hume was absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed she was Graham just before we go. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to get your summer prediction. Is there going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a reset that the Prime minister needs over the summer months,

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<v Speaker 2>over the Christmas period or do you think, as so

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<v Speaker 2>often happens, there'll be some news event, whether it's blackout

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<v Speaker 2>or something out, something else, and that this period will

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<v Speaker 2>be the death now politically for the prime minister.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh. I don't think there's going to be the death knell,

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<v Speaker 9>no matter what happens over the course of the break.

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<v Speaker 9>I think ELBO is a bit better than that, a

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<v Speaker 9>bit stronger. But you know, look, every political party has

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<v Speaker 9>good times and bad times. You go up, you go down.

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<v Speaker 9>You don't just stay like that at the top of

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<v Speaker 9>the tree. You know occasionally you're going to slip, but

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<v Speaker 9>you don't regard that slip as the end of the earth.

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<v Speaker 9>And we haven't had a great few weeks, so what

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<v Speaker 9>life goes on and next week will be better.

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<v Speaker 2>But this downward trend has been since the Vice, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just a brief down period. This has been

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<v Speaker 2>for over a year now. And the Resolve poll this

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<v Speaker 2>week had your primary at twenty seven percent. Doesn't that

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<v Speaker 2>worry you, Richard?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well, I've been worried before that today about our primary.

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<v Speaker 9>Our primary has been getting outrageously low, and now if

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<v Speaker 9>we don't get thirty percent, we're in all sorts of strife.

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<v Speaker 9>But I can remember, and it's not that long ago

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<v Speaker 9>where we'd be terribly disappointed if we didn't get forty percent.

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<v Speaker 9>So you've got to say, what happened? Something very big did?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well the labor going woke, that's what happened. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to return to mainstream values growing. Richardson and Michael Kroger,

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<v Speaker 2>Can I say it's been a pleasure having you doing

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<v Speaker 2>this political panel this year. I love speaking and sparring

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<v Speaker 2>with both of you. Really appreciate your time over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of the year and look forward to doing it

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<v Speaker 2>all again next year. All right, I'm joined now by

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<v Speaker 2>the President of the New South Wales Jewish Board of Deputies,

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<v Speaker 2>David Ossip. David, thank you for your time. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to speak about this incident that we all woke

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<v Speaker 2>up to today. What do we know so far about

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in the early hours of this morning.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, thank you so much having me on the show,

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<v Speaker 12>Shari and at the outset. Let me just congratulate you

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<v Speaker 12>and your outstanding editorial and you're extraordinary reporting over the

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<v Speaker 12>past fourteen months.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 12>In relation to the incident which transpied in Willara overnight,

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<v Speaker 12>we know that at least two individuals in the early

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<v Speaker 12>hours of the morning drove to Alara, got out of

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<v Speaker 12>their vehicle, dorbed houses and cars with anti symited graffiti,

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<v Speaker 12>and then set their current fire and cowardly fled the scene. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 12>the police are still investigating. We welcome the resources that

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<v Speaker 12>the New Superal's government police have thrown at this investigation

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<v Speaker 12>and we hope that the perpetrators who are responsible for

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<v Speaker 12>this hate crime are swiftly apprehended in the same way

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<v Speaker 12>that the individuals who allegedly committed a similar current crime

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<v Speaker 12>in Willara a couple of weeks ago were apprehended.

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<v Speaker 2>You how to press conference with the Premier Chris Mins

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, but I noticed you weren't at the Holocaust

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<v Speaker 2>Museum this afternoon with Alban.

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<v Speaker 3>Easy. Are we seeing a tale of two leaders here?

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<v Speaker 13>Shari?

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<v Speaker 12>You are correct. I was with the Premier this morning.

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<v Speaker 12>I didn't attend the Jewish Museum with the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 12>Whilst I have the greatest of respect for the officer

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<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister, and I'm grateful for the money which they've

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<v Speaker 12>given this in the Jewish Museum, I couldn't bring myself

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<v Speaker 12>to go and hear the Prime Minister talk about anti

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<v Speaker 12>Semitism whilst his government continues to plot further policy moves

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<v Speaker 12>against the State of Israel, and whilst he fails to

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<v Speaker 12>reign in his foreign minister who continues to use incendiary,

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<v Speaker 12>demonizing and provocative rhetoric which, in my opinion, endangers the

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<v Speaker 12>Jewish community. And you're entirely right. It is very much

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<v Speaker 12>a tale of two leaders, because the response of Chrisban's

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<v Speaker 12>and the state government couldn't have been any stronger. He

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<v Speaker 12>was on the phone to me in the early hours

0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.200
<v Speaker 12>of the morning. He expressed solidarity with the Jewish community.

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<v Speaker 12>He called the Israeli ambassador, he immediately coordinated additional security

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<v Speaker 12>resources for the community, and he dropped everything on his

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<v Speaker 12>plate to go to Wallara immediately to demonstrate his absolute

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<v Speaker 12>abhorrence at what had taken place. And this has been

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<v Speaker 12>the approach he's demonstrated over the past fourteen months. He's

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<v Speaker 12>been there every single time, strong and unequivocal, standing side

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 12>by side with the Jewish community. And I think the

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 12>Prime Minister and his colleagues would do very well to

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<v Speaker 12>learn from Premier ins.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a very strong answer, David Ossip. How frustrated

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.959
<v Speaker 2>is the Jewish community at this point with the Albaneze government,

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<v Speaker 2>including and you mentioned Penny Wang and her criticism of Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>So what's your view on this as well well?

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<v Speaker 12>I think the Jewish community is extremely frustrated and upset.

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<v Speaker 12>This is a federal government which is set in its

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<v Speaker 12>hands and been slow to act on anti Semitism for

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<v Speaker 12>the whole of the past fourteen months. It's a government

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<v Speaker 12>which has seemed more determined to demonize and abandon Israel

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<v Speaker 12>and played domestic politics then deal with the crisis of

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<v Speaker 12>social cohesion and anti Semitism which has fested on its watch.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a situation which has gotten worse, not better. And

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<v Speaker 12>now after fourteen months, we're at a crisis point and

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 12>the Jewish community has been jumping up and down and

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.080
<v Speaker 12>warning the government throughout this period and it's not a

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<v Speaker 12>surprise that we've now lunded up in a position like this,

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<v Speaker 12>and the Jewish community is understandably very disappointed with the

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 12>government and concerns about their safety.

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<v Speaker 13>And well being.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, all right, David Asib, president of the New

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.120
<v Speaker 2>South El's Jewish Board of Deputies, really appreciate your leadership

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of our community at this very difficult time.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Now still to come Global superstar Eden Golan, she was

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:39.280
<v Speaker 2>heckled at Eurovision. She joins me on the program. Plus

0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Albanizi takes at NewsCorp as he tries to shift the

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 2>blame for his week leadership. I'm going to speak about

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>that with my political panel after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's bring in now Shadow Housing Minister Michael Sucker

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 2>and Labour MP Daniel Melino.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome do you both.

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 2>The Herald reports that Anthony Albinizi has told colleagues during

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>a meeting that NewsCorp is openly working to back in

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.280
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton. So this seems to be the Prime Minister

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 2>very clearly blaming the media for criticism of his own

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 2>week leadership. It seems to be copying tactics used by

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 2>his buddy Kevin Rudd, but he conveniently ignores the criticism

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 2>from many other media outlets, including The Herald, and including

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>The Knightly and The West Australian. Have a look at

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 2>these front pages not ours, absolutely smashing Albanezi, especially in

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the wake of his shocking handling of anti Semitism.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel Maline, I want to start with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you agree with the Prime Minister here that this

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.920
<v Speaker 2>is all a big news cop campaign to side with

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, Shari, Look, I always take stories based on leaks

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<v Speaker 14>with a bit of a grain of salt, and I

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 14>go back to the PM's actions rather than these purported words.

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 14>He's appeared on various News Corp outlets, including Sky a

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 14>significant number of times and indeed more than a number

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 14>of competitor outlets. So look, he's engaged with News Corp

0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 14>throughout this term and before that, and I think just

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 14>look at his actions. I think he's engaged very very broadly. Look,

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 14>I think, as you say, you look right across the media.

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 14>I mean, part of the job of the media is

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 14>to hold the government to account. So I just think

0:30:33.320 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 14>our job as members of the government is to engage,

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.320
<v Speaker 14>to explain what we're doing. And you know, I'm one

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 14>of a number of backbenches who appears on this channel

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 14>and engages with other NewsCorp outlets print and Electronics. So frankly, yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>There aren't many Daniel Labor and ps who turn up.

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>So good on you for that, Michael Suka. Should the

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister be blaming the media for his pole leadership,

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>particularly on this critical issue, Well, of course he shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 13>And there's nothing more unedifying than a prime minister having

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:10.720
<v Speaker 13>asook about the media. The truth is that Anthony Albanezi's

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 13>Prime ministership is crumbling, not through anything that the media

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:19.160
<v Speaker 13>has done, but through his own actions, through firstly his

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 13>lies before the last election, the promises he made Australians

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 13>before the last election that he can't keep his lack

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:33.160
<v Speaker 13>of focus when Australians are struggling and were struggling to rent,

0:31:33.320 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 13>pay their mortgage, by their groceries. He was off on

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 13>a frolic with his half a billion dollar referendum, and

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 13>now we see probably the worst failure of leadership that

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 13>we've probably seen from a national leader in living memory,

0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 13>and that is the shocking way in which the Australian

0:31:52.680 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 13>Jewish community, quite frankly, has been thrown to the walls

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 13>by this government and by this Prime Minister by decisions

0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 13>and votes the un by decisions and in action being

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 13>made by the Cabinet, and most recently highlighted by the

0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 13>spectacle of a Prime Minister trying to talk down a

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 13>domestic terrorism event that was very clear to everyone. I'm

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 13>sure it was clear to Daniel who's a decent labor person,

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 13>but he was unable to call that out instinctively in

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 13>defense of Australian Jews. Because the truth is Anthony Albanese

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 13>is not a leader. He doesn't have that instinctive ability

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 13>to make the right cause. And you compare that to

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 13>Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton is steadfast, he knows what he

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 13>stands for. And I think it was a great example

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 13>of contrasting a leader in Peter Dutton and a failed

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 13>leader in Anthony Albanesi in the way they responded to.

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.960
<v Speaker 13>Peter called it out straight away, and the way in

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 13>which the Austrangerer community has been treated by this government

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 13>since seven has been appalling. And it falls on Anthony Albanezi,

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 13>his choice of Foreign Minister in Penny Wong, who likens

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 13>Israel to China and Russia. A democracy she likens to

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 13>China and Russia. He's got a lear all of that,

0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 13>and he should be ashamed of himself and not in

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 13>any way try to deflect responsibility by blaming the media.

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Very well, said Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it does seem like we're in an election campaign

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>mode now. The Prime Minister making this childcare announcement today,

0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 2>splashing four hundred and twenty seven million dollars to give

0:33:38.000 --> 0:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>family zonning up to half a million dollars a year

0:33:41.560 --> 0:33:43.600
<v Speaker 2>access to the subsidy three days a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel, Is this money necessary? Is this just buying votes?

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<v Speaker 13>Oh?

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<v Speaker 14>Look, I think this is a really important area of reform.

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<v Speaker 14>And we can go back to a Productivity Commission report

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 14>in twenty fifteen that was actually commissioned and handed down

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 14>under the previous government, and that Productivity Commission report found

0:34:04.320 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 14>that these kinds of measures can be important for workforce participation,

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:11.919
<v Speaker 14>but they're also really important when it comes to young

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:15.640
<v Speaker 14>children's development and their preparation for school. It has really

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 14>important impacts in terms of education and also their social development.

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.640
<v Speaker 14>And what this measure does is it provides much greater

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.400
<v Speaker 14>access for a broader range of families to these important services.

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.919
<v Speaker 14>This measure provides universal three day access, but it also

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:33.640
<v Speaker 14>provides important measures on the supply side. So it leads

0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:36.200
<v Speaker 14>to the construction of one hundred and sixty new setters

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.280
<v Speaker 14>and twelve thousand extra spots.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last thing I'll say on this.

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<v Speaker 14>Is that this is another reform in a series of

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 14>reforms in this space, many of which so far have

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 14>dealt with the supply side. So we've added training investments

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 14>to fee free tape to add to the workforce in

0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 14>this area. We've also undertaken a range of other measures,

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 14>including I pay to attract workers to the area. A

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.680
<v Speaker 14>number of the supply side measures that we've undertaken in

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.360
<v Speaker 14>their space have been opposed by the opposition. So this

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.359
<v Speaker 14>is important reforms and I think it's a critical area

0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:11.760
<v Speaker 14>of microeconomic reform.

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<v Speaker 3>Very quickly, Michael, because we're out of time. Does the

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<v Speaker 3>Coalition plan to match this announcement?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, it's interesting that Daniel refers to the Productivity Commission.

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<v Speaker 13>These proposal seeks to get rid of the activity test,

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 13>which just means that parents who are working, or studying

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 13>or volunteering, they are going to find it harder and

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:36.759
<v Speaker 13>harder to find places because with these new arrangements will

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 13>see the existing existing centers being swamped with even more

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.640
<v Speaker 13>demand which they can't meet, which just means that Australian

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 13>parents who are working, or studying or volunteering, I'm more

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 13>likely to miss out. And we already know there are

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.720
<v Speaker 13>many people who are struggling to find places for their children.

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.520
<v Speaker 13>This will exacerbate that problem. And I think we'll see

0:35:59.560 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 13>this between now in the election, a very desperate prime

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 13>minister throwing money around left rn center in order to

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 13>win votes, to try and detract or distract from the

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 13>abysmal way in which this government has managed the economy

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 13>and quite frankly, the abysmal way that this prime minister

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 13>is leading the country.

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well this is what economists are worrying about. Too

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>much money splashed around pre election. Although of course there

0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 2>is the argument of productivity Daniel Malino, Michael Suga really

0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>appreciate you coming on tonight. Now coming up after the break,

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>we turn to the US, which is gripped by this

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 2>awful murder of the United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>somehow the killers being celebrated. I'll swe about that with

0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Kosher Garda next, and later my exclusive with Israeli Eurovision

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 2>singer Eden Golan, her thoughts on what we're going through,

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:55.719
<v Speaker 2>her message for battling the hate, don't miss that, and

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Sky News contributor Kosher Garda joins us.

0:36:58.320 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 3>Now, Kosha, great to see you.

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Look, I want to ask you about the man chatged

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:07.799
<v Speaker 2>with the brazen murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Look,

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:13.480
<v Speaker 2>he's become Luigi Mangiorni. He's become some viral sensation. What

0:37:13.920 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 2>is wrong with the world when a murderer is treated

0:37:17.600 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 2>as a hero.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, a great point, Shari, and I think it's

0:37:23.120 --> 0:37:25.680
<v Speaker 8>a sign that we in many ways really have become

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 8>a sick society, at least parts of society where somebody

0:37:29.360 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 8>like this who did something that we haven't seen in

0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 8>a long time, like an actual assassination in broad daylight,

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.720
<v Speaker 8>Trump was obviously attempted but dodged it. But this actually

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 8>was successful, and that to have a corporate CEO, which

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.400
<v Speaker 8>is not a typical target that you would expect or

0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:47.560
<v Speaker 8>have seen historically. This is a very serious subject and

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 8>for people to be talking about his looks, his physical profile,

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 8>all of that is sick. And then there's also been

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.839
<v Speaker 8>this whole other strain of people who are heralding him

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 8>as some sort of hero for taking out the CEO

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 8>of a healthcare company because a lot of Americans are

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 8>frustrated with the insurance system over there. This is obviously

0:38:05.520 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 8>not the remedy for that. You've even seen people like

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 8>Taylor Lorenz, who's a mainstream media reporter, was going on

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 8>Piers Morgan.

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 1>The other night cheering about it.

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<v Speaker 8>I really think it's a sign of a sick society

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 8>and something has to turn around, because this is not

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 8>the appropriate response.

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's utterly bsign.

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 2>You worry it as well about the safety of other

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.000
<v Speaker 2>chief executives, and I'm sure there'll be others who would

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>be thinking maybe they need security now on their way home,

0:38:28.840 --> 0:38:33.280
<v Speaker 2>and that would be understandable kosher. Meanwhile, Daniel Penny found

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.759
<v Speaker 2>not guilty for the death of a homeless man on

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 2>a New York City subway.

0:38:38.080 --> 0:38:42.399
<v Speaker 8>Tell us about this, Yeah, so this is another It's

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:44.160
<v Speaker 8>almost like the flip side of the coin of the

0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:45.879
<v Speaker 8>Luigi case that we just talked about.

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 1>We're here.

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 8>You have Daniel Penny, who was a former marine of

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 8>the United States Marine Corps, a veteran, and he subdued

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:56.760
<v Speaker 8>somebody who was very aggressive, Jordan nearly on the subway

0:38:57.000 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 8>through multiple witnesses who were saying that he was terror

0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 8>rising or menacing them. They were terrified for their lives. However,

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.399
<v Speaker 8>he Dane Openny, was charged and over the past year

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 8>he's been awaiting his trial and the jury has spoken

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 8>where they were not able to reach unanimous verdict of

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 8>convicting him. I think this is a great day for

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 8>the jury system and the administration of justice because nobody,

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 8>based on the evidence, believed and certainly the jury didn't

0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.839
<v Speaker 8>believe that the evidence stood up to the charge, which

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 8>was reckless homicide. That the standard just wasn't met. But

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 8>I will say it's worth mentioning that the fact that

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.080
<v Speaker 8>it came this close is quite scary because New York

0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.400
<v Speaker 8>City is a place where crime has been up all

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 8>sorts of people are not being charged or they're being

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 8>given very generous plea deals, including Jordan Neelie himself being

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 8>let out on the streets. And of course Alvin Bragg

0:39:42.080 --> 0:39:44.120
<v Speaker 8>the DA is the same person who went after Trump

0:39:44.440 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 8>decided to bring this case, whereas other people are going

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 8>scott free. So it's a little bit of upside down world,

0:39:49.280 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 8>and that's another problem that needs to be sorted out.

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Just very quickly.

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.279
<v Speaker 2>This isn't brand new today, but I just want to

0:39:56.320 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 2>ask you what is that with the president elect release

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:01.440
<v Speaker 2>seeing his own perfume?

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.400
<v Speaker 3>What is this about? Why would you do this? Why

0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 3>does he need to do this?

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you know, he probably doesn't need to, but I

0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 8>have to say, it's like it's classic Trump, where he

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 8>loves to seize the moment, even if he's somebody in

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 8>a very serious position doing serious work.

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 1>He sees us the moment.

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.239
<v Speaker 8>He loves to troll his opposition in his adversaries with

0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 8>the way he's marketed it. And you know, I wouldn't

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 8>be surprised the man got seventy eight million votes. If

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:27.840
<v Speaker 8>even a good percentage of them decide to buy at

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 8>this Christmas that it's going to challenge Chanelle number five,

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 8>which is the most highest selling perfume of all time.

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>This wil to be surprised if we see that.

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.320
<v Speaker 2>He continues to break them old of a politician anyway,

0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:39.280
<v Speaker 2>it keeps things interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Koshagada, thank you so much. Really appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, don't go anywhere. Global superstar Eden Golan. She overcame

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<v Speaker 2>major security threats at Eurovision and now she has some

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<v Speaker 2>advice on how to handle the haters. That interview is

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<v Speaker 2>after this quick break. Well, most people may know Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>singer Eden Golan from her incredible Eurovision performance this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Her song Hurricane was a tribute to October seven. She

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<v Speaker 2>was heckled bood and had major security threats. At just

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one, Eden Golan has shown more leadership on anti Semitism,

0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 2>and she's demanded stronger action on the hostage crisis than

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.239
<v Speaker 2>most people whose job it is to do so. She

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<v Speaker 2>sets a truly wonderful example for how to withstand the hate.

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 2>And I spoke with her about all of this a

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<v Speaker 2>little earlier. Eden Golan is so wonderful to have you here,

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<v Speaker 2>a huge welcome. You've been here in Australia for a

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<v Speaker 2>few days and I understand you're loving it and you're

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<v Speaker 2>having a great time. You also, of course, couldn't help

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 2>but notice that experiencing shocking anti semitism, the fire bombing

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<v Speaker 2>of a synagogue in Melbourne that's now been officially declared

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>a terror attack, and then just here in Sydney overnight

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<v Speaker 2>there's been a car torching and more anti Semitic vandalism.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel about this level of antisemitism that

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen erupting around the world, including in peaceful places

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<v Speaker 2>like Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>It's tragic, It's truly tragic and.

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<v Speaker 15>Heartbreaking, and I just don't want to accept this reality,

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<v Speaker 15>this dark, scary place we're living in, and literally any

0:42:41.719 --> 0:42:43.680
<v Speaker 15>place in this world right now could be a place

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<v Speaker 15>of threat and danger for us, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>To think about it.

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<v Speaker 15>But I'm truly I'm so thankful for all the volunteers

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<v Speaker 15>and here the CSG, there's a really security community Jewish

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 15>community that takes care of the Jewish community and keeps

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:04.480
<v Speaker 15>people safe, and volunteers all over the world that take

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 15>part in this and keeping our community as safe as

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 15>possible and trying to stay away from these uh unpleasant situations.

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<v Speaker 2>We all watched you during Eurovision and you were heckled

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<v Speaker 2>on stage, you were booed, you were trying to focus

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<v Speaker 2>and do your job. I mean, how did you personally

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<v Speaker 2>manage to drown out that level of noise and that

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<v Speaker 2>level of hostility to deliver what was truly a sensational performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that wasn't an easy experience.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't lie.

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<v Speaker 15>I definitely I mentally prepared myself to the event way before.

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<v Speaker 15>From the moment I was selected to be Israel's representative

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<v Speaker 15>for your vision, I was drawing myself scenarios and different

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<v Speaker 15>situations that could happen, and getting.

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<v Speaker 1>Boodh at and hatred and all of that.

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<v Speaker 15>But I think mainly the thing that kept me focused

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<v Speaker 15>and on point was just a the life. I've been through,

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<v Speaker 15>different situations and going through difficult things in life. That

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.360
<v Speaker 15>kind of built me to have elephant skin and not

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<v Speaker 15>really let anything around me affect me.

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:19.920
<v Speaker 1>And also my goal, which was to.

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<v Speaker 15>Represent us with pride and do the best job I can.

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 15>I had a lot of weight on my shoulders to

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<v Speaker 15>be the voice of not only a country, but an

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:35.560
<v Speaker 15>entire nation, and just that thought, that responsibility, that's all

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<v Speaker 15>I cared about.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't care about anything around.

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<v Speaker 15>I was just there to go on stage for three minutes,

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<v Speaker 15>show my voice and try to unite people and spread

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:50.160
<v Speaker 15>some love. And I can truly say that our community,

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 15>our big family of Jewish people and israelis all over

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:58.879
<v Speaker 15>the world. The amount of love and support I got

0:44:58.960 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 15>from them, it was truly insane, and I could never

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<v Speaker 15>thank them enough. There were such such a powerful thing

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.040
<v Speaker 15>that kept me going through this journey, and still the

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:13.880
<v Speaker 15>amount of love I'm getting to this day, it just

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 15>keeps me going and makes me want to do even

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<v Speaker 15>more for.

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<v Speaker 1>Us and for this world, and just show what a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful nation we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a beautiful message that your ambition to spread love

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<v Speaker 2>like that, And I love when you said you have

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<v Speaker 2>elephant skin. I think we need a bit of elephant

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<v Speaker 2>skin during the times we're going through at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely now.

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<v Speaker 2>The formerly your most famous song, Hurricane, the original version

0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 2>was actually called October Rain.

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<v Speaker 3>You had to change the lyrics for Eurovision.

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<v Speaker 2>How did it make you feel when you were told

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<v Speaker 2>that this would need to be done, that you couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>reference the October seven terror attacks.

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<v Speaker 15>Even before I got selected to represent your vision, we

0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 15>knew that whoever was going to get selected was going

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<v Speaker 15>to get a lot of backlash and a lot of hatred,

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<v Speaker 15>and that many people didn't want us there, didn't want

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 15>us to participate, didn't want us to take part in

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 15>the Eurovision Song Artists this year. So let me put

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<v Speaker 15>it this, I wasn't shocked when the song wasn't accepted

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:19.040
<v Speaker 15>and we were told.

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:19.960
<v Speaker 1>We need to change the lyrics.

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 15>I was like, okay, well my thoughts. You proved me

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.759
<v Speaker 15>right that you don't really want us there. And it

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:31.759
<v Speaker 15>wasn't even a question. I was just like, let's get

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.160
<v Speaker 15>into the studio, let's change the lyrics. Let's do everything

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 15>in our power to make this work and make us

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 15>be able to participate and stand there on stage and

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<v Speaker 15>represent our country.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a powerful, moving, emotional song, and it it speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to everyone. I actually came to Israel for the anniversary

0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 2>of October seven, and for many of the people I

0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:58.960
<v Speaker 2>spoke to, many of the survivors, or understandably, people who

0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:02.560
<v Speaker 2>still have family who being held hostage, it's just impossible

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<v Speaker 2>to move on until the hostages.

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<v Speaker 3>Are brought home.

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<v Speaker 2>For many people, for many Israelis, it still feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it's October seven all over again.

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Every day. That's the reality they wake up to.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your reflections on how our world has changed

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<v Speaker 2>over the past fourteen months.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 15>The world will ever be the same place after October seventh,

0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.480
<v Speaker 15>and definitely for our country and our people, this is

0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 15>something that will be with us forever and something we'll

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:42.480
<v Speaker 15>never be able to forget. And I don't think anyone

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.919
<v Speaker 15>should ever experience what we went through, and the fact

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<v Speaker 15>that we still have hostages after such a long time

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<v Speaker 15>held hostage is just it's like, what this shouldn't be

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 15>the reality. This shouldn't be what we're going through. This

0:47:57.480 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 15>shouldn't be real, and we should be doing everything to

0:48:00.400 --> 0:48:04.520
<v Speaker 15>bring them back home. So I can definitely understand and

0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:08.120
<v Speaker 15>I feel the people that for us, it's October seventh

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<v Speaker 15>every day and life will never be the same after

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:13.799
<v Speaker 15>what we went through. And I do think it had

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<v Speaker 15>a huge effect on the world and people all over

0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:22.759
<v Speaker 15>the world, especially on us. It has changed a lot

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<v Speaker 15>of things, and I'm just hoping that things can also

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<v Speaker 15>change the other way to a better place.

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:32.200
<v Speaker 1>And that we can bring the hospitals back home and

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<v Speaker 1>just have a bit more peace and love in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>We desperately need it desperately needed. I just finally Eden.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as I said, you're an inspiration to all

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<v Speaker 2>of us. You connect particularly strongly with the young generation

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:52.640
<v Speaker 2>in Australia and in Israel. Many children are doing it

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<v Speaker 2>really tough right now, suffering from anxiety, They're scared about

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<v Speaker 2>the future.

0:48:57.920 --> 0:48:59.840
<v Speaker 3>What's your message to children?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow? I actually wrote a song about that.

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<v Speaker 15>My latest song literally speaks about that, about children being

0:49:07.400 --> 0:49:09.360
<v Speaker 15>older than they should be and not being able to

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:13.360
<v Speaker 15>fully live life happily and be out in the gardens dreaming,

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.320
<v Speaker 15>and they have anxiety and fears about the future and

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:19.920
<v Speaker 15>what will happen and what will be And the children

0:49:20.000 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 15>in our country that have to run to bomb shelters

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<v Speaker 15>because of sirens.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 15>The one thing I can say is that we are

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<v Speaker 15>strong and we have each other, and I'm Israel Hi

0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.759
<v Speaker 15>and I'm israel is strong, and we will get through this,

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 15>through all this horrible period of time. And I just

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 15>hope everyone has something that can keep them going through.

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<v Speaker 15>For me, it's music, and I do music to heal

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<v Speaker 15>myself and to heal people through music.

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 1>And if playing music and listening to my music helps anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the best thing.

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:58.160
<v Speaker 15>And finding just a safe place and our surroundings and

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 15>friends and family. That's that's all we have right now,

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 15>and that's the most we can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just love each other and spread it.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a beautiful message. I can't thank you enough for

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<v Speaker 2>sharing it with us here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Eden. All our love to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for standing tall and proud and strong.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you, thank you so much for having

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.800
<v Speaker 2>me all right. I see you tomorrow for my final

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:27.920
<v Speaker 2>show of the year. Here's James McPherson.