1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approche Production. 2 00:00:10,801 --> 00:00:13,321 Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the 3 00:00:13,441 --> 00:00:16,841 Speaker 2: Muscle comments and in this episode I talk with male 4 00:00:17,041 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 2: sex slave Jack Irish. 5 00:00:19,441 --> 00:00:21,841 Speaker 1: I got jump of leads and a battery looked up 6 00:00:21,881 --> 00:00:22,041 Speaker 1: to me. 7 00:00:22,241 --> 00:00:23,361 Speaker 2: Say again, jump lead. 8 00:00:23,601 --> 00:00:28,161 Speaker 1: And I get to love serve care obay my masters. 9 00:00:28,441 --> 00:00:31,001 Speaker 1: I've had a fist shove up plans. Say again, I've 10 00:00:31,041 --> 00:00:34,001 Speaker 1: had a fist shoved up. Malass Well, I'd. 11 00:00:33,641 --> 00:00:35,281 Speaker 2: Rather get abused at work by saying you're doing a 12 00:00:35,281 --> 00:00:36,881 Speaker 2: ship job than get a fist up my ass broke. 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,281 Speaker 1: You'lln't picking the zones or in the Sexustralia nothing. It 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: wasn't picking. They just look like Joe blowing off the 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,401 Speaker 1: street every time I have a session in that system, 16 00:00:45,521 --> 00:00:46,121 Speaker 1: do your worse. 17 00:00:50,361 --> 00:00:53,161 Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on, Jack Iris. This is this is 18 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:57,241 Speaker 2: going to be a very very interesting episode on my podcast. 19 00:00:57,601 --> 00:00:59,401 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little bit different. 20 00:00:59,601 --> 00:01:02,121 Speaker 2: It's a little bit different. And you know, when you 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 2: reached out to me, I thought, like, you know, this 22 00:01:04,641 --> 00:01:08,641 Speaker 2: is this is gold. Okay, So we'll start off a 23 00:01:08,681 --> 00:01:11,281 Speaker 2: little bit about yourself before we get into the nitty gritty. 24 00:01:11,481 --> 00:01:13,321 Speaker 2: You know, about about when you were a teenage yet 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,081 Speaker 2: and growing up at home and all like that, So 26 00:01:15,161 --> 00:01:16,481 Speaker 2: tell me a little bit about yourself. 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: All right, I'm originally from New CFLs regional area, brought 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:28,161 Speaker 1: up on a farm, a typical country boy, basically had 29 00:01:28,161 --> 00:01:31,681 Speaker 1: a good upbringing. I'm little about that, probably pritty more 30 00:01:31,761 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: than most. 31 00:01:33,441 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 2: Many friends when you were growing up are. 32 00:01:35,041 --> 00:01:39,521 Speaker 1: A few eventually moved away and the children and away. 33 00:01:39,721 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: So so yeah. 34 00:01:41,681 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: How like just just because we haven't exploded what like 35 00:01:44,881 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: what you what you're actually on the episode four? But 36 00:01:47,641 --> 00:01:50,001 Speaker 2: how did you get involved in what you did? Like 37 00:01:50,081 --> 00:01:52,321 Speaker 2: what you're doing now? How how did that come about? 38 00:01:52,561 --> 00:01:55,721 Speaker 1: I saw I met this fella who introduced me into 39 00:01:55,761 --> 00:01:59,041 Speaker 1: this lifestyle which is beresm. 40 00:01:59,281 --> 00:02:00,241 Speaker 2: What what is that? What to be this? 41 00:02:00,481 --> 00:02:06,041 Speaker 1: And what discipline? Sadism and mask I can't pronounce this 42 00:02:06,161 --> 00:02:10,441 Speaker 1: last one, very masculinism. I think it's you get the 43 00:02:10,481 --> 00:02:15,841 Speaker 1: gist of it. So it's basically basically you just you 44 00:02:15,921 --> 00:02:20,361 Speaker 1: have a dom and submissive and then you sort of 45 00:02:21,161 --> 00:02:24,681 Speaker 1: work out what you guys want to get out of relationship. 46 00:02:24,881 --> 00:02:29,041 Speaker 1: And so is a relationship it is It's like it's 47 00:02:29,161 --> 00:02:31,801 Speaker 1: like a normal relation, just with a bit of spice 48 00:02:31,841 --> 00:02:35,281 Speaker 1: added a better space. Just probably more than a bit 49 00:02:35,321 --> 00:02:41,801 Speaker 1: of spice. You can start off small, so that's a dominant, 50 00:02:42,081 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: which is your partner who basically tells you what to do. 51 00:02:47,281 --> 00:02:52,521 Speaker 1: There are negotiations prior to what's discussed within the relationship, 52 00:02:52,601 --> 00:02:58,721 Speaker 1: what boundaries, limitations, expectations, day to day stuff. 53 00:02:58,881 --> 00:03:01,361 Speaker 2: How old are you? How old do you? But how 54 00:03:01,361 --> 00:03:05,561 Speaker 2: old were you when you started? I was sixteen sixteen, 55 00:03:05,641 --> 00:03:07,441 Speaker 2: and you're you're you're going to go into this kind 56 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:08,361 Speaker 2: of relationship. 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,641 Speaker 1: I only start doing fully it when I was nineteen. 58 00:03:13,361 --> 00:03:16,041 Speaker 2: But from sixteen to nineteen, what were you doing? Like 59 00:03:16,041 --> 00:03:18,921 Speaker 2: like like you're asking like was this did this guy 60 00:03:19,201 --> 00:03:21,481 Speaker 2: own you or did he control you? 61 00:03:21,601 --> 00:03:23,881 Speaker 1: He didn't owe me. At the start it was a 62 00:03:24,001 --> 00:03:28,881 Speaker 1: soft soft so it was basically sessions where I was 63 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:35,081 Speaker 1: tied off and spaked and gagged and did what I 64 00:03:35,121 --> 00:03:36,001 Speaker 1: was instructed. 65 00:03:36,001 --> 00:03:37,441 Speaker 2: Did you ever have the relationship before this? 66 00:03:39,361 --> 00:03:40,921 Speaker 1: Not not really a relationship? 67 00:03:41,041 --> 00:03:43,761 Speaker 2: Well, one of stands with what males or females? 68 00:03:43,841 --> 00:03:45,401 Speaker 1: Both? I've had both? 69 00:03:45,681 --> 00:03:48,481 Speaker 2: You've had both? Yeah? What what do you prefer? 70 00:03:49,041 --> 00:03:49,481 Speaker 1: Boys? 71 00:03:49,641 --> 00:03:50,481 Speaker 2: You do befair boys? 72 00:03:50,561 --> 00:03:51,801 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a lot he used to do with. 73 00:03:53,841 --> 00:03:55,441 Speaker 2: Yeah, you get you. 74 00:03:55,481 --> 00:03:59,641 Speaker 1: Kind of understand them when there's no like you've got 75 00:03:59,641 --> 00:04:02,481 Speaker 1: to chat your way into You don't have to chap 76 00:04:02,521 --> 00:04:05,841 Speaker 1: them up, just say what you're what you want in 77 00:04:05,881 --> 00:04:06,721 Speaker 1: a relationship. 78 00:04:06,721 --> 00:04:09,281 Speaker 2: But what were you wanting at sixteen years old from 79 00:04:09,281 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: a guy? I was? How old was this guy? 80 00:04:10,961 --> 00:04:12,521 Speaker 1: He was close to forty? 81 00:04:12,881 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: He was forty years old? And he brought you over 82 00:04:15,201 --> 00:04:18,601 Speaker 2: at sixteen to take advantage of you? Or what it 83 00:04:18,681 --> 00:04:20,401 Speaker 2: must be to take advantage of you? You must have seen 84 00:04:20,441 --> 00:04:21,881 Speaker 2: something that you can't just surely. 85 00:04:22,161 --> 00:04:24,601 Speaker 1: Oh, I fell in love with him for who he was. 86 00:04:24,681 --> 00:04:27,241 Speaker 2: And how did the conversation come up? Like? What? I 87 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:28,841 Speaker 2: like you? I want to do this with you. 88 00:04:29,481 --> 00:04:32,241 Speaker 1: I just got chatting one day over lunch and I 89 00:04:32,361 --> 00:04:34,081 Speaker 1: just said to him, you know. 90 00:04:34,041 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: I want to be tied up? Is that what you did? 91 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:40,401 Speaker 2: Would you time me up? I'm trying to get I'm trying. 92 00:04:40,521 --> 00:04:42,121 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get the gist of this because 93 00:04:43,481 --> 00:04:44,561 Speaker 2: it's not like you met in a bar. 94 00:04:45,601 --> 00:04:47,801 Speaker 1: It was just my chance. He was in the same 95 00:04:47,841 --> 00:04:49,681 Speaker 1: course as I was, and we just sort of got 96 00:04:49,761 --> 00:04:52,081 Speaker 1: chatted away and he needs to sort of start dating. 97 00:04:52,161 --> 00:04:55,601 Speaker 1: And I told him what I want to try, and 98 00:04:55,601 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, I've done some experience of that. 99 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,241 Speaker 1: Do you want to give the try? 100 00:04:58,401 --> 00:05:01,161 Speaker 2: Wasn't sure at sixteen you wanted to try a bit 101 00:05:01,201 --> 00:05:01,441 Speaker 2: of this. 102 00:05:01,681 --> 00:05:05,841 Speaker 1: Eh. I wasn't sorry about my sexuality. Okay, I'm still 103 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,361 Speaker 1: not today. 104 00:05:06,961 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 2: Okay. So okay, running through that, the first three years 105 00:05:10,601 --> 00:05:13,841 Speaker 2: from sixteen to nineteen, what you were up to with 106 00:05:13,921 --> 00:05:14,361 Speaker 2: this guy? 107 00:05:15,481 --> 00:05:17,441 Speaker 1: He got me off the drinking, he got me off 108 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: the drugs. 109 00:05:19,201 --> 00:05:20,681 Speaker 2: How however, you on the drugs at this time. 110 00:05:21,801 --> 00:05:25,121 Speaker 1: I started smoking dope after my mom passed because it's 111 00:05:25,161 --> 00:05:27,681 Speaker 1: the way I could deal with it. Hence the drinking 112 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: and that that really didn't do me any favors, and 113 00:05:31,401 --> 00:05:35,521 Speaker 1: I found I looked into like the internet was around, 114 00:05:35,521 --> 00:05:37,721 Speaker 1: but it wasn't sort of where it is today. So 115 00:05:37,801 --> 00:05:40,041 Speaker 1: I just had to sort of understand a little bit 116 00:05:40,041 --> 00:05:43,161 Speaker 1: more what I was being told. Of course, of these 117 00:05:43,681 --> 00:05:48,281 Speaker 1: relationships that was involved, there's a lot more research now. 118 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,361 Speaker 2: So he didn't know you didn't do you live with him? Yeah? 119 00:05:51,401 --> 00:05:53,201 Speaker 1: I lived with him for a while. Yeah, and then 120 00:05:53,241 --> 00:05:55,761 Speaker 1: he got sick and I eventually just looked after him 121 00:05:55,841 --> 00:05:58,921 Speaker 1: until such time has passed and then he passed away. 122 00:05:59,121 --> 00:06:02,041 Speaker 2: Okay, So this to me, this first relationship sounds a 123 00:06:02,041 --> 00:06:07,001 Speaker 2: bit like it's just, you know, two guys who got 124 00:06:07,001 --> 00:06:09,681 Speaker 2: gay intentions, just like each other's sexuality and that you 125 00:06:09,761 --> 00:06:12,401 Speaker 2: join yourself. Correct what happened that after you passed away? 126 00:06:12,481 --> 00:06:13,081 Speaker 2: Where did you get? 127 00:06:13,481 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: I got worse, so back into drinking, and. 128 00:06:16,521 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: So you got back into a depression and a whole 129 00:06:18,801 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: drinking and drugs again. Yeah, no hard drugs, just the 130 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:22,801 Speaker 2: same drugs, just. 131 00:06:22,801 --> 00:06:26,281 Speaker 1: Do and just took another down spy until I found 132 00:06:27,521 --> 00:06:31,801 Speaker 1: a dom which is a dominatrix, and she took me 133 00:06:31,841 --> 00:06:32,681 Speaker 1: on her wing. 134 00:06:32,721 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: And eventually how did you find this? How did she 135 00:06:34,801 --> 00:06:35,361 Speaker 2: come across? 136 00:06:36,961 --> 00:06:38,401 Speaker 1: Not with her clubs or anything? 137 00:06:38,721 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: Well online? How do you find this online? 138 00:06:40,961 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? I was eventually because I was a loss and 139 00:06:43,561 --> 00:06:45,521 Speaker 1: I really want to get back into this scene. And 140 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: I eventually found her and we got together, and yeah, 141 00:06:50,361 --> 00:06:53,761 Speaker 1: it kind of went from there. I gave myself willingly, 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,681 Speaker 1: fully willing to full willingly to her, and then it 143 00:06:57,761 --> 00:07:02,841 Speaker 1: went from there. So I basically signed a contract and basically. 144 00:07:03,041 --> 00:07:04,721 Speaker 2: Which this contract, this is what I want to get, like, 145 00:07:04,761 --> 00:07:07,801 Speaker 2: because you've shown me some contracts that you've signed in 146 00:07:07,841 --> 00:07:12,401 Speaker 2: the past and just recently tell me what this contract enables? 147 00:07:12,681 --> 00:07:15,361 Speaker 2: It is it? Is it a binding contract? Like I'm 148 00:07:15,401 --> 00:07:16,961 Speaker 2: trying to get my head around what you what you've 149 00:07:16,961 --> 00:07:20,161 Speaker 2: told me that got me so intrigued about bringing you 150 00:07:20,201 --> 00:07:20,641 Speaker 2: on the show. 151 00:07:21,121 --> 00:07:25,041 Speaker 1: So is this it's not a legal buying and contract? 152 00:07:25,201 --> 00:07:26,881 Speaker 2: Okay, but what I'm what I'm trying to get my 153 00:07:26,881 --> 00:07:29,241 Speaker 2: head round is is this against the law to do 154 00:07:29,241 --> 00:07:29,641 Speaker 2: ship like. 155 00:07:29,641 --> 00:07:32,681 Speaker 1: This or what if it's concept with both parties as 156 00:07:33,321 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm in the voluntarily and there's also the darker side 157 00:07:38,761 --> 00:07:42,561 Speaker 1: which is a non vulture. So yeah, if that means 158 00:07:42,601 --> 00:07:43,521 Speaker 1: explain where I can go. 159 00:07:43,761 --> 00:07:45,561 Speaker 2: Well, we'll go in to that one soon. Yeah, we're 160 00:07:45,561 --> 00:07:47,201 Speaker 2: going that one soon. But tell me about I want 161 00:07:47,201 --> 00:07:49,081 Speaker 2: to talk. Tell me about your contract. Are you get 162 00:07:49,161 --> 00:07:51,081 Speaker 2: paid for this? Or is she so you just get 163 00:07:51,081 --> 00:07:54,161 Speaker 2: written She's written a contract, you started it over and 164 00:07:54,201 --> 00:07:56,161 Speaker 2: you sign it and you're willing to give up everything 165 00:07:56,481 --> 00:07:57,881 Speaker 2: just for whoever owned you. 166 00:07:58,161 --> 00:08:00,081 Speaker 1: Correct, that's the gist of it. 167 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: And how do you get out of that contract? 168 00:08:01,761 --> 00:08:02,761 Speaker 1: If you want to get out of it, you can 169 00:08:02,841 --> 00:08:07,681 Speaker 1: just you can have a conversation and then you can 170 00:08:07,721 --> 00:08:10,601 Speaker 1: walk away after X meal time. 171 00:08:11,441 --> 00:08:13,921 Speaker 2: And yeah, there's no there's no feeling, nothing. 172 00:08:14,961 --> 00:08:17,521 Speaker 1: What you get out of that I get our satisfaction 173 00:08:17,681 --> 00:08:20,201 Speaker 1: of being ironed and colared. 174 00:08:20,761 --> 00:08:21,761 Speaker 2: So you've got your collar on the moment. 175 00:08:21,961 --> 00:08:23,001 Speaker 1: I've got the collar on today. 176 00:08:23,041 --> 00:08:23,961 Speaker 2: You can never take that off. 177 00:08:24,081 --> 00:08:26,121 Speaker 1: I can take it off, but only with permission. 178 00:08:26,441 --> 00:08:30,201 Speaker 2: Tell me about the collar, what happens resents ownership? And 179 00:08:30,401 --> 00:08:32,761 Speaker 2: so you wear that every day in public? 180 00:08:33,601 --> 00:08:34,081 Speaker 1: Every day? 181 00:08:34,281 --> 00:08:36,361 Speaker 2: Have you got have you got a job now? So 182 00:08:36,441 --> 00:08:38,081 Speaker 2: you have to wear that in public when you're working. 183 00:08:38,161 --> 00:08:41,081 Speaker 1: I've got different sets of calls. I've got just scrape collar, 184 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:43,401 Speaker 1: which is just like a barbed wire one. 185 00:08:43,801 --> 00:08:44,841 Speaker 2: That's a distrector. 186 00:08:45,001 --> 00:08:46,281 Speaker 1: What scrape collar? 187 00:08:46,321 --> 00:08:48,881 Speaker 2: How the fuck is that? Direak? But when it's got bad, babe. 188 00:08:48,681 --> 00:08:49,761 Speaker 1: I don't know what they're looking at. 189 00:08:50,121 --> 00:08:52,481 Speaker 2: I'm looking at that, and that's a fucking thick, fucking collar. 190 00:08:52,521 --> 00:08:54,041 Speaker 1: I mean I was wearing this on the way down 191 00:08:54,041 --> 00:08:55,921 Speaker 1: and people just look at me, and I was like, 192 00:08:56,561 --> 00:08:57,081 Speaker 1: I don't care. 193 00:08:58,881 --> 00:09:00,521 Speaker 2: No one asks you at work what it is? Do 194 00:09:00,561 --> 00:09:01,721 Speaker 2: you tell them or you don't tell them. 195 00:09:01,761 --> 00:09:04,601 Speaker 1: I don't discuss work with my private They don't. 196 00:09:04,441 --> 00:09:06,481 Speaker 2: Know what's right, So they don't know what we are 197 00:09:06,561 --> 00:09:08,521 Speaker 2: up to in your product. No, they just think that's 198 00:09:08,521 --> 00:09:10,521 Speaker 2: a fucking a necklace or whatever it is. 199 00:09:10,561 --> 00:09:13,921 Speaker 1: I just keep my work life away from my personal 200 00:09:13,961 --> 00:09:15,521 Speaker 1: life because if if they. 201 00:09:15,561 --> 00:09:18,681 Speaker 2: Get get messy. I think if if people a lot 202 00:09:18,721 --> 00:09:19,201 Speaker 2: of questions. 203 00:09:19,241 --> 00:09:19,801 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can. 204 00:09:19,961 --> 00:09:21,801 Speaker 2: There be a lot of fun questions I've got to 205 00:09:21,881 --> 00:09:26,641 Speaker 2: keep in my head now, just ask away. I don't like, Okay, 206 00:09:26,681 --> 00:09:27,841 Speaker 2: I'm just going to try and get like. I'm not 207 00:09:27,881 --> 00:09:29,681 Speaker 2: trying to be disrespectful. I'm trying to get I'm trying 208 00:09:29,681 --> 00:09:32,321 Speaker 2: to get my head around it. Because you're giving up 209 00:09:32,681 --> 00:09:37,281 Speaker 2: everything about you for someone else to own you, to 210 00:09:37,401 --> 00:09:40,041 Speaker 2: dictate you and do what they want to you. 211 00:09:40,081 --> 00:09:41,321 Speaker 1: Correct when I get out of it? 212 00:09:41,441 --> 00:09:42,081 Speaker 2: What tell me? 213 00:09:42,401 --> 00:09:44,641 Speaker 1: I get out of it because I have a purpose now. 214 00:09:45,241 --> 00:09:47,121 Speaker 1: I never used to have a purpose because I was 215 00:09:47,201 --> 00:09:51,961 Speaker 1: still missfit. I can myself a misfit misfiting what way? 216 00:09:52,361 --> 00:09:54,321 Speaker 1: Just the environment public? 217 00:09:55,521 --> 00:09:57,161 Speaker 2: So now you feel that you're wanted. 218 00:09:57,521 --> 00:10:01,721 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get to love, serve, care, obey my 219 00:10:02,041 --> 00:10:03,401 Speaker 1: master's or mistress. 220 00:10:03,561 --> 00:10:05,841 Speaker 2: But you've got a collar on, and I feel like, 221 00:10:05,881 --> 00:10:07,361 Speaker 2: should you have the freedom to do what you want? 222 00:10:08,521 --> 00:10:10,201 Speaker 2: Like you told me that you have to ask when 223 00:10:10,241 --> 00:10:12,801 Speaker 2: you want food or water or drink whatever. Yeah, you've 224 00:10:12,801 --> 00:10:13,641 Speaker 2: got to ask for permission. 225 00:10:15,081 --> 00:10:17,201 Speaker 1: Usually when I get up, I asked if I can 226 00:10:17,241 --> 00:10:21,481 Speaker 1: get up? Released, get up, have a shower, eat, drink? 227 00:10:22,161 --> 00:10:23,641 Speaker 2: What's what's some of the rules. Tell me some of 228 00:10:23,641 --> 00:10:24,201 Speaker 2: the rules. 229 00:10:24,881 --> 00:10:31,761 Speaker 1: I can't drink alcohol because I'm a recovering alcoholic. Yeah, 230 00:10:31,921 --> 00:10:36,561 Speaker 1: I can't get in trouble with the police. I can't 231 00:10:37,721 --> 00:10:38,921 Speaker 1: leave home without permission. 232 00:10:39,241 --> 00:10:41,321 Speaker 2: So your your your your owner at the moment knows 233 00:10:41,321 --> 00:10:44,321 Speaker 2: that you're here. Yes, and she's happy with you to 234 00:10:44,321 --> 00:10:44,761 Speaker 2: come and talk. 235 00:10:44,681 --> 00:10:46,761 Speaker 1: About she's not happy that she understood. 236 00:10:46,841 --> 00:10:49,281 Speaker 2: Will you get punished for this? Is that a punishment? 237 00:10:50,121 --> 00:10:52,321 Speaker 1: I don't know yet. 238 00:10:52,721 --> 00:10:56,001 Speaker 2: So you've got you got permission to come here. Yes, 239 00:10:56,201 --> 00:10:58,481 Speaker 2: you could still get punished for this. What's the punishment that. 240 00:10:58,481 --> 00:11:00,121 Speaker 1: You could get to talk about? 241 00:11:02,281 --> 00:11:06,161 Speaker 2: She won't know till the episode comes out. Just you 242 00:11:06,201 --> 00:11:08,001 Speaker 2: won't get you won't get punished for a couple of weeks. 243 00:11:08,041 --> 00:11:10,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll enjoy friend why I can. 244 00:11:11,681 --> 00:11:13,241 Speaker 2: But what what is that? What is the most she 245 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:14,041 Speaker 2: could do to you? 246 00:11:15,361 --> 00:11:17,801 Speaker 1: I mean, I've had pretty bad things done to me, 247 00:11:18,361 --> 00:11:21,321 Speaker 1: Like what tell me? I got jump of leads and 248 00:11:21,361 --> 00:11:22,561 Speaker 1: a battery hooked up to me? 249 00:11:22,641 --> 00:11:24,721 Speaker 2: Say again, jump leads jump? What did you do to 250 00:11:24,721 --> 00:11:28,281 Speaker 2: get that? What did you do? Today's ether? That's something 251 00:11:28,281 --> 00:11:29,841 Speaker 2: like I do in the underwealthy always money. 252 00:11:31,241 --> 00:11:33,721 Speaker 1: If my parents say out wrong place, strong time and 253 00:11:33,761 --> 00:11:37,921 Speaker 1: then people. It helped me weren't actually my owners, and 254 00:11:37,961 --> 00:11:42,881 Speaker 1: they I didn't know who I was until they saw uh. 255 00:11:43,201 --> 00:11:45,481 Speaker 1: They eventually found out who I was and let me go. 256 00:11:46,641 --> 00:11:49,401 Speaker 2: And so your owner male or female at the time. 257 00:11:49,241 --> 00:11:51,081 Speaker 1: I don't know what happened that they just relaced me 258 00:11:51,161 --> 00:11:54,881 Speaker 1: after a couple of days of yeah, fun time and. 259 00:11:54,801 --> 00:11:57,441 Speaker 2: They put that on you. How long got that on 260 00:11:57,481 --> 00:11:57,681 Speaker 2: for you? 261 00:11:57,801 --> 00:12:00,161 Speaker 1: I had it from for a couple of hours. It's 262 00:12:00,201 --> 00:12:01,241 Speaker 1: not the worst thing I've had. 263 00:12:01,481 --> 00:12:02,041 Speaker 2: What's the worst. 264 00:12:02,201 --> 00:12:04,721 Speaker 1: I've had a fist shove up mass say again, I've 265 00:12:04,721 --> 00:12:06,361 Speaker 1: had a shoved up my ass. 266 00:12:06,721 --> 00:12:09,441 Speaker 2: And what they didn't didn't given. There's no fucking like 267 00:12:09,841 --> 00:12:11,761 Speaker 2: they don't care the consequences it could do. 268 00:12:11,801 --> 00:12:13,841 Speaker 1: They just said, oh, I want to see if you 269 00:12:13,841 --> 00:12:17,481 Speaker 1: can take a fist. I'm like, okay, sure, do your worst. 270 00:12:17,361 --> 00:12:20,081 Speaker 2: Do your worst. That couldn't have been enjoyable show. I 271 00:12:20,121 --> 00:12:22,121 Speaker 2: said to the line, like you're saying to me, do 272 00:12:22,441 --> 00:12:22,801 Speaker 2: your worst. 273 00:12:22,881 --> 00:12:24,961 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just do your worst. I've had worse than this. 274 00:12:25,201 --> 00:12:27,401 Speaker 1: That's what I said every time I have a session, 275 00:12:27,401 --> 00:12:30,241 Speaker 1: and I said, do your worst, do your worst. 276 00:12:30,841 --> 00:12:34,521 Speaker 2: I couldn't. Well, there's a fucking a fist up your ass. 277 00:12:34,601 --> 00:12:37,721 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not worse how long did that go for? For? 278 00:12:37,761 --> 00:12:38,761 Speaker 1: About fifteen minutes? 279 00:12:39,081 --> 00:12:40,001 Speaker 2: Fifteen minutes. 280 00:12:40,121 --> 00:12:41,841 Speaker 1: That was a bit blood But you get that on 281 00:12:41,881 --> 00:12:45,121 Speaker 1: the big jobs. No lube, Oh there was lou thank 282 00:12:45,441 --> 00:12:46,561 Speaker 1: That's probably the courtiest thing. 283 00:12:46,961 --> 00:12:50,441 Speaker 2: Jesus fuck oh big was a fist. 284 00:12:52,281 --> 00:12:53,681 Speaker 1: I was proud I could take it. 285 00:12:53,761 --> 00:12:55,641 Speaker 2: So you're proud because you can take it back. And 286 00:12:56,321 --> 00:13:01,361 Speaker 2: I'm feeling the pain already and I'm sitting down. I 287 00:13:02,001 --> 00:13:05,441 Speaker 2: fuck it. Well, let's go back to yes to to 288 00:13:05,481 --> 00:13:09,681 Speaker 2: the second person who owned you or whatever you want on. 289 00:13:09,841 --> 00:13:11,721 Speaker 1: That didn't last very long because I got sold on. 290 00:13:11,801 --> 00:13:13,881 Speaker 1: So you got sold got sold on? 291 00:13:14,201 --> 00:13:16,881 Speaker 2: Okay, now this is another thing. Okay, so how do 292 00:13:16,881 --> 00:13:17,721 Speaker 2: you get sold on? 293 00:13:18,041 --> 00:13:22,041 Speaker 1: Basically just they're like, well, can't you. 294 00:13:22,041 --> 00:13:24,481 Speaker 2: Leave without I don't get it. You've got a contract, 295 00:13:24,561 --> 00:13:26,521 Speaker 2: you can leave. How can someone sell you on? 296 00:13:27,241 --> 00:13:32,281 Speaker 1: Because you give them your body, your mind, everything, And 297 00:13:32,321 --> 00:13:34,801 Speaker 1: they're like, I'm going to sell you on? And I'm like, 298 00:13:35,721 --> 00:13:38,441 Speaker 1: was this something I did wrong? Like no, I'm just 299 00:13:38,641 --> 00:13:41,121 Speaker 1: I can't keep I can't keep you hearing anymore. So 300 00:13:41,281 --> 00:13:43,721 Speaker 1: I've lined you up with another owner. It was a 301 00:13:43,721 --> 00:13:45,481 Speaker 1: couple and this is where it got bad. 302 00:13:45,721 --> 00:13:48,321 Speaker 2: How much were you soldul it wasn't disclosed to me. 303 00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:51,681 Speaker 2: You get nothing from it, so you just got sold 304 00:13:51,721 --> 00:13:53,681 Speaker 2: on like a piece of meat. He gets the he 305 00:13:53,721 --> 00:13:54,361 Speaker 2: gets the money. 306 00:13:55,321 --> 00:13:56,881 Speaker 1: I don't know how it works on that side of 307 00:13:56,881 --> 00:13:59,121 Speaker 1: the fence. I think they get this. I think they 308 00:13:59,161 --> 00:13:59,761 Speaker 1: get the money. 309 00:14:00,561 --> 00:14:00,841 Speaker 2: I'm not. 310 00:14:01,001 --> 00:14:01,841 Speaker 1: I'm not priven to that. 311 00:14:01,881 --> 00:14:03,761 Speaker 2: And you don't. And you don't even get to see 312 00:14:03,761 --> 00:14:05,001 Speaker 2: them at the owners. You just there. 313 00:14:05,521 --> 00:14:07,921 Speaker 1: I just I just get putting. I think I remember 314 00:14:07,961 --> 00:14:08,801 Speaker 1: I got putt in a van. 315 00:14:09,401 --> 00:14:10,241 Speaker 2: You got put in a van. 316 00:14:10,601 --> 00:14:12,681 Speaker 1: Ye got put in the van, shackled up and caulfed 317 00:14:12,761 --> 00:14:16,921 Speaker 1: up and gagged and yeah, and then I end up 318 00:14:16,961 --> 00:14:20,121 Speaker 1: with this, uh, this couple who treat me really really bad. 319 00:14:20,841 --> 00:14:24,641 Speaker 2: Okay, just before you talk like Dad, i'm you when 320 00:14:24,681 --> 00:14:27,161 Speaker 2: you when you were put in the van? Yeah, and 321 00:14:27,201 --> 00:14:30,761 Speaker 2: you're shackled and everything. Right, do you leave the house shackled? 322 00:14:31,121 --> 00:14:31,721 Speaker 1: Yeah? 323 00:14:31,841 --> 00:14:35,121 Speaker 2: Okay, what about the neighbors. Any neighbors see this? No 324 00:14:35,161 --> 00:14:36,761 Speaker 2: neighbors see you getting shackled and put into a bad 325 00:14:37,081 --> 00:14:37,521 Speaker 2: at three. 326 00:14:37,361 --> 00:14:40,001 Speaker 1: O'clock in the morning. Three o'clock in the morning. Because 327 00:14:40,001 --> 00:14:42,321 Speaker 1: I remember being working off and like, you've been sold on. 328 00:14:43,401 --> 00:14:46,001 Speaker 1: I think we talked about this, and we talked about. 329 00:14:45,961 --> 00:14:49,481 Speaker 2: Even fucking prisoners in fucking Golden fucking maximum security don't 330 00:14:49,481 --> 00:14:51,081 Speaker 2: even get treated like this, like what the. 331 00:14:51,041 --> 00:14:55,801 Speaker 1: Fuck it's actually how holding, it's actually houses that uh 332 00:14:56,841 --> 00:14:59,001 Speaker 1: do all that sort of stuff as well. 333 00:14:59,121 --> 00:15:02,921 Speaker 2: So let's let's go back to your first the second person. Okay, 334 00:15:02,921 --> 00:15:10,401 Speaker 2: where you're you've been sold off to this couple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, 335 00:15:11,201 --> 00:15:13,481 Speaker 2: tell me some of the things that this couple wanted 336 00:15:13,521 --> 00:15:14,201 Speaker 2: to do to you. 337 00:15:15,241 --> 00:15:17,401 Speaker 1: They was basically want me to keep me in the 338 00:15:17,481 --> 00:15:22,241 Speaker 1: house and be used. Okay, what they want me. They 339 00:15:22,761 --> 00:15:24,361 Speaker 1: wanted to use me as a sex toy. 340 00:15:25,281 --> 00:15:28,881 Speaker 2: Both of them are the same, like, yep, describe it. 341 00:15:29,201 --> 00:15:30,641 Speaker 2: How old are you now? Three? 342 00:15:30,681 --> 00:15:30,921 Speaker 1: Three? 343 00:15:31,681 --> 00:15:32,641 Speaker 2: No, how old are you back then? 344 00:15:32,641 --> 00:15:39,001 Speaker 1: When I back then, I was just turned Yeah, just 345 00:15:39,001 --> 00:15:40,721 Speaker 1: turned nineteen. Actually, because I've just a. 346 00:15:41,441 --> 00:15:45,521 Speaker 2: Nineteen year old kid. You've already had two owners kind of, 347 00:15:46,561 --> 00:15:47,641 Speaker 2: and now you're going for your third. 348 00:15:47,681 --> 00:15:50,761 Speaker 1: Now, mind you, My family had no idea where I was. 349 00:15:50,881 --> 00:15:53,321 Speaker 2: They've got no idea what you're doing because I cut 350 00:15:53,321 --> 00:15:55,401 Speaker 2: them off. They've got no idea where you're living, what 351 00:15:55,441 --> 00:15:55,801 Speaker 2: you're up. 352 00:15:55,801 --> 00:15:59,561 Speaker 1: To, no idea I cut them off for close to three. 353 00:15:59,441 --> 00:16:01,601 Speaker 2: Years, no friends at all, from working or nothing. 354 00:16:02,201 --> 00:16:05,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've moved away, so moved away. I was 355 00:16:05,481 --> 00:16:07,601 Speaker 1: really sort of okay. 356 00:16:07,641 --> 00:16:10,121 Speaker 2: So now now you're with this couple where they can 357 00:16:10,161 --> 00:16:12,521 Speaker 2: you disclose where they live? Like I don't. I don't 358 00:16:12,521 --> 00:16:13,881 Speaker 2: want to know where you are dressed. But I'm just saying, 359 00:16:13,921 --> 00:16:14,961 Speaker 2: like city based. 360 00:16:15,041 --> 00:16:17,841 Speaker 1: Yeah, wealthy, very wealthy. 361 00:16:17,721 --> 00:16:20,801 Speaker 2: Very wealthy. And they've they've now got used their sex slave. 362 00:16:20,921 --> 00:16:22,841 Speaker 1: Yeah pretty much. Yeah, they want to spice up their 363 00:16:22,841 --> 00:16:23,481 Speaker 1: marriage as well. 364 00:16:23,561 --> 00:16:25,281 Speaker 2: So who liked you more? The male or the female? 365 00:16:25,321 --> 00:16:28,001 Speaker 1: Probably the female was more more into it. 366 00:16:28,081 --> 00:16:31,001 Speaker 2: Were they like, well, I don't know how to word this. 367 00:16:31,761 --> 00:16:34,921 Speaker 2: Did they look respectable or like if you've seen them 368 00:16:34,961 --> 00:16:36,921 Speaker 2: in the street? Did they just like a normal couple? Mate? 369 00:16:37,001 --> 00:16:40,401 Speaker 1: Most of the owners? Now, you wouldn't pick them. You 370 00:16:40,401 --> 00:16:42,801 Speaker 1: wouldn't pick them as owns or in the sex trade 371 00:16:42,841 --> 00:16:44,521 Speaker 1: or nothing like that. It wouldn't pick them. They just 372 00:16:44,561 --> 00:16:46,521 Speaker 1: look like Joe blow off the street. 373 00:16:46,841 --> 00:16:49,801 Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me a day with them. 374 00:16:50,641 --> 00:16:53,721 Speaker 1: With them, I'll probably get up after I got released, 375 00:16:53,761 --> 00:16:55,121 Speaker 1: get up making both for coffee. 376 00:16:55,681 --> 00:16:56,921 Speaker 2: That's quite released from where. 377 00:16:56,961 --> 00:16:59,801 Speaker 1: Tell me what I'll snitt to their beds. I could 378 00:16:59,841 --> 00:17:01,841 Speaker 1: serve them through the night if they needed it. So 379 00:17:01,921 --> 00:17:06,441 Speaker 1: basically chained up or not chain up to just because 380 00:17:06,481 --> 00:17:07,001 Speaker 1: I can't. 381 00:17:07,281 --> 00:17:08,681 Speaker 2: But what do you change to? What do you chain to? 382 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: Just the bed? Yeah, it's usually the bed and you 383 00:17:11,961 --> 00:17:14,881 Speaker 1: stay there, you stay, just stay there, just pissed, pissing 384 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,961 Speaker 1: where if you want to go to where you pissed, 385 00:17:16,961 --> 00:17:19,161 Speaker 1: I'll just pissed the back. I've got head a back 386 00:17:19,321 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: next to me. 387 00:17:20,441 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: That bad? You tell me that that that's what this 388 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 2: is the sexual level? All right? Carry on? All right? 389 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,721 Speaker 2: So that's you get up? 390 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 1: Get up? They released me. I give the list of 391 00:17:30,441 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 1: jaws to during the day, I've got a film in 392 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,241 Speaker 1: a certain time limit. Or what happens if you don't 393 00:17:35,561 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: cooking clean? 394 00:17:37,201 --> 00:17:38,641 Speaker 2: What happens if you don't do it at a certain time? 395 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,041 Speaker 2: Tell me a punishment? Uh? 396 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: Whipping was their favorite. 397 00:17:45,961 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: Whipping in what way? Don't you like they whipping pleasurely 398 00:17:48,001 --> 00:17:48,801 Speaker 2: or they whipping. 399 00:17:48,481 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: You the ass? 400 00:17:50,481 --> 00:17:53,521 Speaker 2: Or on nothing? On another whip? It's just a normal 401 00:17:53,521 --> 00:17:55,521 Speaker 2: whip level whip. 402 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,201 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get nine tails, which. 403 00:17:58,041 --> 00:18:01,441 Speaker 2: Is like nine yeah. 404 00:18:01,321 --> 00:18:04,041 Speaker 1: Pieces of leather. It's basically whipping. 405 00:18:04,360 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 2: Okay, it's I carry on it and you make it. 406 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:08,481 Speaker 2: You've got to get their chores done. 407 00:18:08,521 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I used to get their jaws done just 408 00:18:11,321 --> 00:18:15,281 Speaker 1: on time, and then I. 409 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:15,321 Speaker 2: Did they work? Did they work? 410 00:18:16,201 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: They worked? Occasionally they came back just to check up 411 00:18:20,481 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: on me that sure I was doing what I was doing. 412 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 2: What happens if they have some people come over, like 413 00:18:24,961 --> 00:18:26,121 Speaker 2: for dinner or who are you? 414 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,401 Speaker 1: I just carry on as normal. They don't ask questions. 415 00:18:29,761 --> 00:18:32,361 Speaker 2: But they have weird couples who were doing the same thing. 416 00:18:33,041 --> 00:18:35,721 Speaker 1: Yes, personally. I found that out later on, and that's 417 00:18:35,721 --> 00:18:41,561 Speaker 1: how I got sold onto again to actually pleasant and 418 00:18:41,681 --> 00:18:42,201 Speaker 1: much better. 419 00:18:45,241 --> 00:18:50,561 Speaker 2: So they didn't rearely hide it. Okay, So when you 420 00:18:50,721 --> 00:18:52,761 Speaker 2: when you were there, did they have anybody who used 421 00:18:52,761 --> 00:18:53,881 Speaker 2: to No kids of themselves? 422 00:18:53,921 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: No kids, no kids? 423 00:18:55,681 --> 00:18:58,961 Speaker 2: All right, all right, you've done their chores. What else 424 00:18:59,001 --> 00:18:59,601 Speaker 2: did you have to do? 425 00:19:00,001 --> 00:19:04,561 Speaker 1: I washed their cars. I basically just took rubbish out, 426 00:19:05,241 --> 00:19:09,161 Speaker 1: cleaned up the back patio, just normal house ors. 427 00:19:09,201 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 2: So you're like a cleaner for them during the day. Yeah, 428 00:19:11,801 --> 00:19:12,761 Speaker 2: maintenance kind of person. 429 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:16,801 Speaker 1: Yeah, just cleaned up everything cooked in the dishes. 430 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:20,161 Speaker 2: Will you're always a sex slave to them every night? 431 00:19:20,721 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: Not every night? Sometimes that have some some work shin 432 00:19:25,721 --> 00:19:26,481 Speaker 1: on something, So. 433 00:19:26,481 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 2: They leave you alone, left me. So if they went 434 00:19:29,241 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: and if they went at home in the house. Where 435 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: would you be. 436 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: I'll be in the lays, just making sure everything was tidy. 437 00:19:35,681 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: So you're you're not you're not chained up, you're not 438 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:39,721 Speaker 2: doing it. You can run the house, do what you want. 439 00:19:39,761 --> 00:19:42,241 Speaker 1: I still have shackles and stuff. I was still able 440 00:19:42,281 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: to move around the house. 441 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,001 Speaker 2: You have shackles on even though there's not a helme. 442 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:49,521 Speaker 1: I have shackles on when I'm not working. Okay, yeah, 443 00:19:49,681 --> 00:19:50,801 Speaker 1: if that, if that makes sense? 444 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh so when they come home, tell me what 445 00:19:55,521 --> 00:19:57,481 Speaker 2: what you've got to do to them? If or whatever, 446 00:19:57,721 --> 00:19:58,681 Speaker 2: you do whatever they want. 447 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,281 Speaker 1: If the third house stressful day, I'll try and relax 448 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 1: and try and give them mess ugs or sucker, provide 449 00:20:08,801 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: service to whoever needed it the most. 450 00:20:11,961 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 2: Did they ever get jealous of each other? If you 451 00:20:13,481 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 2: would know. 452 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: They actually they actually thrived on someone. Yeah, yeah, they 453 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,561 Speaker 1: actually spiced up their marriage apparently. 454 00:20:20,921 --> 00:20:22,481 Speaker 2: How old are they? Hell? 455 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:22,961 Speaker 1: Were they? 456 00:20:23,041 --> 00:20:23,281 Speaker 2: Yeah? 457 00:20:23,761 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: Uh? Mid thirties? What one was mid thirties on his 458 00:20:28,241 --> 00:20:28,881 Speaker 1: late forties? 459 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,481 Speaker 2: What the fuck? I'm still trying to get my head 460 00:20:32,521 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: around this man, like I'm really, I'm. 461 00:20:34,561 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: Fucking it's a it's a gray sort of area. 462 00:20:37,201 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 2: A gray fucking hell. I've already hit black. Um, all right, 463 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 2: carry on, like, okay, your your spacing up their life. 464 00:20:47,721 --> 00:20:49,481 Speaker 2: When did it get to intense with them? 465 00:20:50,201 --> 00:20:54,721 Speaker 1: Um? Probably till close to my end of my era 466 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,281 Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, they said they found a new slave, 467 00:20:58,721 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: said they're gonna sell me. 468 00:21:00,521 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: And how old are you? 469 00:21:01,281 --> 00:21:06,521 Speaker 1: Then I was hitting my twenties and then I met 470 00:21:06,521 --> 00:21:12,961 Speaker 1: this really nice gentleman at the parties and he knew 471 00:21:13,561 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: who well, he knew who I was and what I was, 472 00:21:15,801 --> 00:21:18,041 Speaker 1: and asked if he could take. 473 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 2: Me any Did they give you any birthday presents? 474 00:21:21,921 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: No, nothing was celebrat. Just birthday is just a normal. 475 00:21:26,761 --> 00:21:28,761 Speaker 2: Don't you wish that you could? Like I don't know 476 00:21:28,801 --> 00:21:30,041 Speaker 2: if you want to be one, but don't you wish 477 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: you could own someone or just have a relationship like 478 00:21:32,721 --> 00:21:33,521 Speaker 2: a normal. 479 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: I've tried with in a relationship, So. 480 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:39,281 Speaker 2: You like, you'd like it? You like this, You thrive 481 00:21:39,321 --> 00:21:42,361 Speaker 2: on some of this, keep me purpose, so you enjoy it? 482 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:45,201 Speaker 2: How can you enjoy getting fist put up your fucking 483 00:21:45,281 --> 00:21:50,721 Speaker 2: ass like that? That to me doesn't fucking that's I'm 484 00:21:50,721 --> 00:21:52,841 Speaker 2: already fucking twinging like thing of that? 485 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,681 Speaker 1: As I said, too many people and why I said, look, 486 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,321 Speaker 1: whatever you're doing to me, I've had worse. 487 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: What's the worst. What's the worst thing that's ever happened 488 00:22:03,961 --> 00:22:07,241 Speaker 2: to you? Oh? God, you've got that, Like, I can't 489 00:22:07,281 --> 00:22:09,161 Speaker 2: think that you can be fucking fist up your ass, mate, 490 00:22:09,281 --> 00:22:10,801 Speaker 2: unless you've had two up your ears. I don't know, 491 00:22:11,041 --> 00:22:13,321 Speaker 2: I got I'm working what you're working on that? 492 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 493 00:22:13,681 --> 00:22:16,281 Speaker 2: To get two up your ass? Oh my god, I 494 00:22:16,321 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: don't think you'll be walking for a fucking year, mate. 495 00:22:18,521 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: If it's a if it's a long session, a hard session. 496 00:22:21,441 --> 00:22:23,281 Speaker 1: I struggled to walk for a few hours. 497 00:22:23,281 --> 00:22:27,761 Speaker 2: I struggled, mate, I'm already fucking Avante's in my think 498 00:22:27,761 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: about shit like that. What's the worst, what's the worst? 499 00:22:31,041 --> 00:22:33,041 Speaker 1: Worst thing? I was waterboarded? 500 00:22:33,561 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: What's that say? Again? What's that explaining what that is? 501 00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: Waterboards when you get tied down to a table or 502 00:22:38,961 --> 00:22:43,161 Speaker 1: something around, put over your face and water constantly poured out. 503 00:22:43,441 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 2: What fucked? So that's something like you do in the 504 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:50,281 Speaker 2: fucking army when you're interrogating someone. How long did that 505 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: go for? 506 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: Probably? 507 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:53,041 Speaker 2: There they are an hour. 508 00:22:53,241 --> 00:22:57,441 Speaker 1: I've had an intense interrogation session lasted. 509 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 2: Three hours of what the same ship? 510 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? Different kinds of methods, yeah, yeah, water boarding, Uh, 511 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,161 Speaker 1: basically shouting your face, spinning at your pistol, on your 512 00:23:10,961 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 1: shitting on your. 513 00:23:13,241 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: What the fuck? And I just but what where's the 514 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 2: pleasure in that? 515 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: Like I tell me, like, my pleasure is surviving it. 516 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: Your pleasure is to survive it. 517 00:23:22,201 --> 00:23:24,481 Speaker 1: No, I can get through it. It's a big fuck 518 00:23:24,561 --> 00:23:24,961 Speaker 1: you to them. 519 00:23:25,801 --> 00:23:28,561 Speaker 2: But how you enjoying that? You're telling me now it's 520 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,121 Speaker 2: me getting through it. Why how are you enjoying it? Then? 521 00:23:32,321 --> 00:23:34,801 Speaker 2: How can you enjoy for an hour getting fucking a 522 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,521 Speaker 2: bucket of water like bactually choking on yourself with a 523 00:23:37,521 --> 00:23:39,441 Speaker 2: fucking rag over your face? How's that enjoyable? 524 00:23:40,201 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a. 525 00:23:43,441 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: Well, when you told me you were sex slave, I'm 526 00:23:44,961 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: thinking there's a lot of sex going on here, and 527 00:23:47,321 --> 00:23:50,481 Speaker 2: but that's not fucking right, bro. Like I'm trying to 528 00:23:50,521 --> 00:23:53,361 Speaker 2: get my head around this, Like that's very intense. 529 00:23:53,681 --> 00:23:56,961 Speaker 1: Yeah, it can get intense. I did have a safe word. 530 00:23:57,201 --> 00:23:58,201 Speaker 2: What's the safe word? 531 00:23:58,441 --> 00:23:59,361 Speaker 1: Mine was tango? 532 00:23:59,801 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: Tango? Yeah, how the funk would you able to even 533 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: say tango with that? When when the muffle throat? 534 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,281 Speaker 1: Because I've very rarely said anything through anything in my sessions, 535 00:24:09,321 --> 00:24:10,801 Speaker 1: so I used to just to say the word and 536 00:24:11,241 --> 00:24:14,921 Speaker 1: that stopped. I've only ever had a safe word, probably fours. 537 00:24:15,481 --> 00:24:16,881 Speaker 2: So then you've moved on, Yeah. 538 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: Moved on to you own this. This guy was a gentleman, 539 00:24:19,761 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: he really was. He showed me the good side of it, 540 00:24:22,481 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: the good side. 541 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:24,921 Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me what's the good side of this. 542 00:24:25,281 --> 00:24:29,441 Speaker 1: Was being actually loved and cared for what you got, kiddles, 543 00:24:30,441 --> 00:24:34,561 Speaker 1: lots of affection. I basically was allowed to leave. 544 00:24:34,441 --> 00:24:35,881 Speaker 2: The house when shackled. 545 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes it depends on how I was feeling. 546 00:24:38,921 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 2: So this guy mostly gave you a bit of freedom. 547 00:24:41,241 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 1: He gave me some freme Yeah. Yeah. He allowed me 548 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: to start working again so I can bring some money 549 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,201 Speaker 1: into the house. He showed me what what was, what's 550 00:24:50,321 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: meant to be. 551 00:24:51,241 --> 00:24:53,481 Speaker 2: What's meant to be. I'm still trying to get around with. 552 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: What's to respect and consent and consent negotiation. 553 00:24:58,241 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: But okay, so but you're giving him consent to do 554 00:25:00,721 --> 00:25:02,881 Speaker 2: all everything I said. 555 00:25:04,321 --> 00:25:05,001 Speaker 1: We have a conversa. 556 00:25:06,441 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, have you got a job by now? 557 00:25:09,281 --> 00:25:11,121 Speaker 1: Yeah? I start working job job. 558 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: What job were you doing when you were for him? 559 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: I was doing a bit of car piling on the 560 00:25:14,721 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: side with him. Yeah, he got me some clients to 561 00:25:17,761 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: wash their cars and stuff like that. So he was 562 00:25:19,721 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 1: trying to give me some income. 563 00:25:21,281 --> 00:25:23,001 Speaker 2: So he wants you to make an income to help 564 00:25:23,041 --> 00:25:25,321 Speaker 2: in the house. Yeah, but you don't get to spend 565 00:25:25,321 --> 00:25:26,001 Speaker 2: your money on what. 566 00:25:26,441 --> 00:25:28,001 Speaker 1: Just goes into the house and goes to him. 567 00:25:28,001 --> 00:25:30,081 Speaker 2: And so you you have no income that you will 568 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,121 Speaker 2: buy whatever. 569 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:37,801 Speaker 1: You want food and all that security protection and. 570 00:25:37,801 --> 00:25:41,841 Speaker 2: Still no friends, friends, no family. You don't. You don't 571 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: miss that kind of you don't miss it. 572 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,401 Speaker 1: Really, I just skipped them from my family after what happened. 573 00:25:46,721 --> 00:25:48,641 Speaker 2: But not even family. What are friends? Man? Like? You've 574 00:25:48,681 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 2: got no like, no one else to socialize. But the 575 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,681 Speaker 2: people who own you don't start. 576 00:25:52,481 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: Playing video video games online around this time, so I 577 00:25:55,721 --> 00:25:58,801 Speaker 1: had some sort of outlet which he said, you've got 578 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: to start doing something. You're enjoying lots just doing this. 579 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: So he brought me a PlayStation. Did I start playing 580 00:26:05,961 --> 00:26:06,801 Speaker 1: video games? 581 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,001 Speaker 2: Any and any of your That doesn't sound like they 582 00:26:10,041 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: would do. But I'm gonna ask anyway, do any of 583 00:26:12,201 --> 00:26:15,281 Speaker 2: these people who owned you have any records criminal records? 584 00:26:17,041 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: Not until I found out, like so. 585 00:26:19,001 --> 00:26:20,761 Speaker 2: They did some of them did what was what was 586 00:26:20,801 --> 00:26:22,641 Speaker 2: one of the criminal records that maybe. 587 00:26:22,481 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: We finally found out this later we got police raided 588 00:26:25,921 --> 00:26:29,961 Speaker 1: us and I got arrested, and well, whoever's in the 589 00:26:30,001 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: house when we got raided was arrested? What was it 590 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: ready for some links to some I don't know. I 591 00:26:37,281 --> 00:26:39,441 Speaker 1: think the case is still before the courts to day, 592 00:26:39,561 --> 00:26:42,361 Speaker 1: so I can't I can't disclose that information. 593 00:26:42,521 --> 00:26:44,481 Speaker 2: Okay, But what what are we talking about? We talking drugs? 594 00:26:44,521 --> 00:26:45,241 Speaker 2: Are we talking weapons? 595 00:26:45,241 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: We're talking to drugs or espionance or something. 596 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,241 Speaker 2: So when you got raided by the police, were you 597 00:26:51,321 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: in shackles and so? 598 00:26:53,521 --> 00:26:53,561 Speaker 1: So? 599 00:26:53,681 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 2: How were you dressed when they were stressed as a 600 00:26:55,681 --> 00:26:56,241 Speaker 2: sissy slave? 601 00:26:56,321 --> 00:26:57,961 Speaker 1: So I was dressed off in women's clothing and the 602 00:26:58,001 --> 00:26:59,561 Speaker 1: wig on because that's what he liked. 603 00:26:59,761 --> 00:27:03,881 Speaker 2: So and you're and you're getting raided by fucking coppers 604 00:27:03,961 --> 00:27:05,561 Speaker 2: and you're shackled with a ship on. 605 00:27:06,761 --> 00:27:08,921 Speaker 1: I'll never forget a walk on the coffer's face where 606 00:27:08,961 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: he pointed you fo it me. I'm just like the 607 00:27:12,681 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: I just gotta smash everything I had on, Like I 608 00:27:15,721 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: smashed all the plates and glasses on the ground and 609 00:27:18,281 --> 00:27:21,681 Speaker 1: I just got on the ground. And you know, so, ah, 610 00:27:22,761 --> 00:27:24,721 Speaker 1: what did what would you do? Now? 611 00:27:25,801 --> 00:27:27,041 Speaker 2: What did he do? When it. Did they ask you 612 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,161 Speaker 2: questions why you were shackled? 613 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, they tried to ask me some questions when we 614 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,321 Speaker 1: were back at station for a three hours. I just 615 00:27:34,441 --> 00:27:37,561 Speaker 1: kept repeating the same answer over and over. You know, 616 00:27:37,961 --> 00:27:40,241 Speaker 1: it was I just gained my name, address and dave 617 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,801 Speaker 1: birth for three hours old, didn't hid. 618 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,241 Speaker 2: Can you feel like just getting out after this? I'm 619 00:27:45,281 --> 00:27:46,121 Speaker 2: just speaking of them done. 620 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,801 Speaker 1: I did. I was out for a month and I 621 00:27:48,921 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: just couldn't cope, Like I was wandering around Melbourne for 622 00:27:54,721 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: an hour and a half to day, just amously wandering 623 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,041 Speaker 1: around because I didn't have any sense in direction. 624 00:27:59,761 --> 00:28:01,361 Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, don't you feel like you just want 625 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,001 Speaker 2: to get a stable, live job, even if it's just 626 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: fucking getting you by week to week, but and being 627 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 2: your own self, not fucking someone else's property and getting 628 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: a fist up your ass or getting shackled or fucking 629 00:28:12,761 --> 00:28:14,561 Speaker 2: having a big dog color on you. Don't you want 630 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,041 Speaker 2: to just be normal? I don't know, Like maybe this 631 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: is normal for you. I don't know. I'm fucking lost, man. 632 00:28:18,801 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: I've been in conditioned to it, right, so it's just 633 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,761 Speaker 1: the norm for me. I'm happy if I wasn't doing 634 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,001 Speaker 1: what I'm doing there, I'll be I'll probably commit a 635 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,041 Speaker 1: suicide after a month passed. 636 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 2: So you're telling me what you do now get you 637 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,161 Speaker 2: through every day every day? 638 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,761 Speaker 1: It gives me purpose, gives me purpose. Just keep going. 639 00:28:38,201 --> 00:28:40,601 Speaker 2: That sounds fucking sad, though, bro like to hear that 640 00:28:40,881 --> 00:28:44,001 Speaker 2: that this can only get you through every day by 641 00:28:44,121 --> 00:28:46,881 Speaker 2: doing this. If you stop it, you can't get through 642 00:28:46,961 --> 00:28:47,281 Speaker 2: your day. 643 00:28:47,521 --> 00:28:50,321 Speaker 1: Even my job, I drinking on two every day because 644 00:28:50,321 --> 00:28:51,841 Speaker 1: I get at my job. 645 00:28:52,081 --> 00:28:54,801 Speaker 2: What job are you doing at the moment? Okay, so 646 00:28:54,881 --> 00:28:57,041 Speaker 2: how you get tell me? Tell me a day going 647 00:28:57,081 --> 00:28:58,841 Speaker 2: to work, how you're getting treated like shit? Tell me? 648 00:28:59,921 --> 00:29:01,561 Speaker 2: Is it because you're the new person there? Is it 649 00:29:01,601 --> 00:29:03,041 Speaker 2: because you're the quietest person there. 650 00:29:03,361 --> 00:29:05,601 Speaker 1: I've been there a long time. So do they do? 651 00:29:05,721 --> 00:29:08,041 Speaker 2: They do? Do you think they they think you're weird 652 00:29:08,081 --> 00:29:09,561 Speaker 2: because they can see something on you? 653 00:29:10,401 --> 00:29:13,721 Speaker 1: Think it's just because I've start to stand up for 654 00:29:13,881 --> 00:29:16,121 Speaker 1: myself a little bit more at work. 655 00:29:16,321 --> 00:29:18,361 Speaker 2: But are you thinking this is weird because you're not 656 00:29:18,521 --> 00:29:21,641 Speaker 2: in normal life because you're not really you're not into 657 00:29:21,721 --> 00:29:26,201 Speaker 2: normal everyday life. So maybe this is just what really 658 00:29:26,241 --> 00:29:27,881 Speaker 2: happens in life. You know, there's a lot of banter, 659 00:29:27,921 --> 00:29:29,401 Speaker 2: there's a lot of ship taken out of people at 660 00:29:29,441 --> 00:29:30,801 Speaker 2: work and you're not used to that. 661 00:29:31,161 --> 00:29:33,241 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like a couple lot of ship 662 00:29:33,281 --> 00:29:33,641 Speaker 1: at work. 663 00:29:33,721 --> 00:29:35,921 Speaker 2: But what's the worst. What's the worst you get copped? 664 00:29:36,321 --> 00:29:37,761 Speaker 1: I just get abused saying. 665 00:29:39,721 --> 00:29:42,841 Speaker 2: That's everyone at work. Then that's that's what it can get. 666 00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:46,161 Speaker 1: Pretty abusive, Like a lot more abusive than normal. 667 00:29:46,361 --> 00:29:48,521 Speaker 2: I just look at the abuse and the ship that 668 00:29:48,561 --> 00:29:51,921 Speaker 2: you're copping it home. Like I'd rather get abused at 669 00:29:51,921 --> 00:29:53,401 Speaker 2: work by saying you're doing a ship job than get 670 00:29:53,401 --> 00:29:55,561 Speaker 2: a fist up my ass. Bro, Like that's to me, 671 00:29:55,721 --> 00:29:58,521 Speaker 2: that's fucking I do that every day. Oh fucking I'll 672 00:29:58,561 --> 00:30:00,521 Speaker 2: take ships off work any day over a fist up 673 00:30:00,561 --> 00:30:01,241 Speaker 2: my ass. Yeah. 674 00:30:01,521 --> 00:30:06,921 Speaker 1: I remember one afternoon I was doing something I can't 675 00:30:06,961 --> 00:30:10,001 Speaker 1: I think I was doing something for the boss, and 676 00:30:10,161 --> 00:30:14,001 Speaker 1: this salesperson comes home and I needed to make a 677 00:30:14,041 --> 00:30:18,001 Speaker 1: coffee for my customers. Like, funk off, I don't serve you. 678 00:30:20,401 --> 00:30:24,321 Speaker 1: It was like, and that was all the gossip around 679 00:30:24,361 --> 00:30:27,761 Speaker 1: the office. The next calf tell you, oh he is there. 680 00:30:27,921 --> 00:30:31,121 Speaker 1: Never said anything like that to me. That's the way 681 00:30:31,161 --> 00:30:32,921 Speaker 1: you spoke to me. I don't fucking serve you. 682 00:30:33,121 --> 00:30:35,281 Speaker 2: What my own but he's your boss. 683 00:30:36,321 --> 00:30:40,081 Speaker 1: He wasn't my boss, but he was a salesperson. I'm 684 00:30:40,321 --> 00:30:40,961 Speaker 1: not taking ship. 685 00:30:41,081 --> 00:30:43,801 Speaker 2: So your your What I'm saying is your attitude has 686 00:30:43,841 --> 00:30:46,481 Speaker 2: gone to how you are now with people owning you. 687 00:30:46,681 --> 00:30:48,041 Speaker 2: That's how you that's how you are now. 688 00:30:48,441 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, you prefer that. 689 00:30:49,961 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And anyone who doesn't like, who's not part of 690 00:30:52,521 --> 00:30:57,041 Speaker 2: that kind of group culture, whatever it is, you don't, 691 00:30:57,321 --> 00:30:59,881 Speaker 2: you don't kind of yeah, fuck you. 692 00:31:00,081 --> 00:31:03,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to make your coffee, not gonna 693 00:31:03,441 --> 00:31:03,881 Speaker 1: be a bitch. 694 00:31:05,081 --> 00:31:05,801 Speaker 2: You're a bitch at home. 695 00:31:06,521 --> 00:31:08,321 Speaker 1: I've got a bitch of my own, but you are 696 00:31:08,361 --> 00:31:09,041 Speaker 1: the bitch at home. 697 00:31:09,241 --> 00:31:09,441 Speaker 2: Yeah. 698 00:31:09,881 --> 00:31:12,881 Speaker 1: I just like people take me for granted at work, 699 00:31:13,161 --> 00:31:15,201 Speaker 1: and I don't stand that. For him, I don't stand 700 00:31:15,281 --> 00:31:15,841 Speaker 1: that anymore. 701 00:31:16,681 --> 00:31:20,041 Speaker 2: Tell me about this person after that of a person went. 702 00:31:19,961 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: To jail, this gentleman, really nice guy. He was a veteran, 703 00:31:25,921 --> 00:31:28,521 Speaker 1: veteran from where veterom from the Special Forces. 704 00:31:29,201 --> 00:31:31,641 Speaker 2: A veteran from the Special Forces. 705 00:31:31,881 --> 00:31:32,681 Speaker 1: Really nice guy. 706 00:31:33,041 --> 00:31:36,081 Speaker 2: Oh my fucking even goes that deep that there's people 707 00:31:36,161 --> 00:31:37,281 Speaker 2: in there who are doing this. 708 00:31:37,561 --> 00:31:41,281 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very very unique community, this one that 709 00:31:41,361 --> 00:31:45,321 Speaker 1: you've doubled yourself into. He was a really nice guy. 710 00:31:45,401 --> 00:31:50,121 Speaker 1: He actually showed me how to defend myself and how 711 00:31:50,201 --> 00:31:53,641 Speaker 1: to use firearms in case I need to protect. 712 00:31:53,361 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: Him, protect him. I don't think he'd need protection. 713 00:31:57,241 --> 00:32:01,121 Speaker 1: You'd be surprised. Really, yeah, I will one night will 714 00:32:01,641 --> 00:32:05,481 Speaker 1: at horrm. He was in bed, don't up because he 715 00:32:05,521 --> 00:32:08,881 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep. We had people come through into our house 716 00:32:09,281 --> 00:32:10,961 Speaker 1: knowing where the firearms. 717 00:32:10,481 --> 00:32:12,721 Speaker 2: Were and for what they're coming through with us for 718 00:32:12,801 --> 00:32:15,401 Speaker 2: who was he like, he's still. 719 00:32:15,681 --> 00:32:19,401 Speaker 1: We discussed the night after and he's like, I don't 720 00:32:19,441 --> 00:32:21,521 Speaker 1: know who this maybe the laugh of the car or 721 00:32:21,601 --> 00:32:24,401 Speaker 1: something that. Yeah, they left in the hurry, but. 722 00:32:24,521 --> 00:32:27,241 Speaker 2: Because they've seen you change the fucking bed. Only that 723 00:32:27,441 --> 00:32:27,641 Speaker 2: I was. 724 00:32:27,881 --> 00:32:32,041 Speaker 1: I found myself a firearm and was ready to defend 725 00:32:32,401 --> 00:32:36,561 Speaker 1: defend him if that came you. Oh fucking god, that's 726 00:32:36,601 --> 00:32:38,881 Speaker 1: the level I had. That's what I was at the point, 727 00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: because he was I've only ever had handled firearms a 728 00:32:43,481 --> 00:32:46,761 Speaker 1: few times, like obviously being a country by shoot twenty 729 00:32:46,841 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: two's and shotguns and stuff like that. That they never 730 00:32:49,281 --> 00:32:51,921 Speaker 1: handed anything heavy. I still had the safety on. 731 00:32:55,721 --> 00:32:59,121 Speaker 2: Fu so we had the special Forces. Was he rough? 732 00:32:59,281 --> 00:33:00,521 Speaker 2: Sounds like a rough person? This guy? 733 00:33:01,281 --> 00:33:03,161 Speaker 1: He was quiet, quiet, not rough. 734 00:33:03,281 --> 00:33:03,921 Speaker 2: Wasn't rough with you. 735 00:33:04,481 --> 00:33:07,281 Speaker 1: He was a general. He's just all he want me 736 00:33:07,281 --> 00:33:10,521 Speaker 1: to do is cook clean after him taken. 737 00:33:10,841 --> 00:33:12,761 Speaker 2: Was he ever married before and he was married? 738 00:33:12,841 --> 00:33:15,121 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't last he's. 739 00:33:15,001 --> 00:33:17,921 Speaker 2: Been married, had kids, this guy, and then he's just 740 00:33:17,961 --> 00:33:19,281 Speaker 2: gone down this path of gone. 741 00:33:19,441 --> 00:33:24,161 Speaker 1: Yeah, because he just he couldn't express his kinks. 742 00:33:24,721 --> 00:33:26,721 Speaker 2: I long with him for about three years. 743 00:33:26,761 --> 00:33:30,361 Speaker 1: That was good. Three years, Okay, Yeah, he was Sydney. 744 00:33:30,361 --> 00:33:31,881 Speaker 1: He actually took me to the Cross as well. 745 00:33:32,481 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: So this guy was in Sydney. 746 00:33:33,521 --> 00:33:36,921 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was Syney based. He took me into the Cross, which. 747 00:33:36,801 --> 00:33:39,481 Speaker 2: Was kind of he took you into the Cross the Cross. 748 00:33:40,161 --> 00:33:44,561 Speaker 1: We went to a adults shop. Oh yeah, I can't 749 00:33:44,561 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: remember what it's called. There was a couple of. 750 00:33:46,521 --> 00:33:49,361 Speaker 2: Sydney adult will or something there, I can't tell you. 751 00:33:49,721 --> 00:33:51,361 Speaker 1: He took me in there and went he wanted me. 752 00:33:51,801 --> 00:33:54,561 Speaker 1: He wanted to buy me and you outfit because he 753 00:33:54,641 --> 00:33:56,521 Speaker 1: said the one I've had on for about a month 754 00:33:56,721 --> 00:33:58,641 Speaker 1: was a bit dry, so he wants to spice me 755 00:33:58,721 --> 00:34:00,281 Speaker 1: off a bit. So he took me into the Cross. 756 00:34:01,241 --> 00:34:03,041 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I've never sold or anything like. 757 00:34:03,161 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, then you. 758 00:34:06,841 --> 00:34:08,921 Speaker 2: Didn't you think at that moment that you fucking know 759 00:34:09,001 --> 00:34:09,921 Speaker 2: what am I missing out on you? 760 00:34:10,121 --> 00:34:11,881 Speaker 1: I didn't want to. I didn't want to leave the car. 761 00:34:12,041 --> 00:34:14,041 Speaker 1: I was scared, but I was also excited at the 762 00:34:14,081 --> 00:34:17,441 Speaker 1: same time. And then he took me into us I 763 00:34:17,561 --> 00:34:20,401 Speaker 1: remember vaguely. He took me into the shop. As we're 764 00:34:20,481 --> 00:34:24,921 Speaker 1: coming out, Uh this this front a bunch of dicats 765 00:34:24,961 --> 00:34:28,001 Speaker 1: will walk and past and pushed me, and all of 766 00:34:28,041 --> 00:34:30,841 Speaker 1: a sudden I saw the guy on these two guys 767 00:34:30,881 --> 00:34:35,561 Speaker 1: on the ground back pissing him and they just also 768 00:34:35,601 --> 00:34:38,401 Speaker 1: I was bold in his car. We took off. Sorry, 769 00:34:38,401 --> 00:34:40,001 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I didn't say anything. 770 00:34:41,121 --> 00:34:44,801 Speaker 2: Did did this guy used to show like? Was it 771 00:34:44,921 --> 00:34:48,401 Speaker 2: he not ashamed of what he was in public? Like 772 00:34:48,481 --> 00:34:50,561 Speaker 2: in public? Would you show you affection in public this guy? 773 00:34:51,241 --> 00:34:54,241 Speaker 1: Yeah? Sometimes Yeah, if else mineral peple around, give me 774 00:34:54,241 --> 00:34:54,841 Speaker 1: your hug. 775 00:34:54,721 --> 00:34:57,721 Speaker 2: And or would would he try and hide that he 776 00:34:57,921 --> 00:34:58,561 Speaker 2: was kind of gay? 777 00:34:59,361 --> 00:35:03,081 Speaker 1: Like I'd say, probably be by at the most, Yeah, 778 00:35:03,801 --> 00:35:06,681 Speaker 1: that he was trying. He he couldn't express himself because 779 00:35:06,841 --> 00:35:09,201 Speaker 1: they'll obviously talk to keep the emotions in check. 780 00:35:09,561 --> 00:35:11,961 Speaker 2: Okay, from you know Prime, you have a contract with 781 00:35:12,041 --> 00:35:12,441 Speaker 2: this guy. 782 00:35:12,361 --> 00:35:14,241 Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, I had a contract with him that was 783 00:35:14,281 --> 00:35:17,081 Speaker 1: a really lean contract with the other contracts I had, 784 00:35:17,201 --> 00:35:19,641 Speaker 1: like I have more flexibility. I was helped to. 785 00:35:19,681 --> 00:35:22,401 Speaker 2: Actually, it looks like he did because he used to 786 00:35:22,441 --> 00:35:23,961 Speaker 2: take your house, as I said, like, they didn't look 787 00:35:23,961 --> 00:35:25,801 Speaker 2: like you used to go out with you fun enough. 788 00:35:26,321 --> 00:35:28,761 Speaker 1: He he had a dog and I used to walk 789 00:35:28,801 --> 00:35:29,241 Speaker 1: that around. 790 00:35:29,281 --> 00:35:32,721 Speaker 2: The dog didn't get involved in your sex's looking balls 791 00:35:32,801 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 2: or I don't want to go Okay, I say, yeah, 792 00:35:37,001 --> 00:35:38,841 Speaker 2: I draw the line. I don't need you to tell 793 00:35:38,881 --> 00:35:41,321 Speaker 2: me the fucking dog got it up because that's just 794 00:35:41,441 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: fucking weird. Ship. Yeah, licking balls with the dog. 795 00:35:47,481 --> 00:35:52,681 Speaker 1: I had sessions with animals of walking on what Yeah 796 00:35:52,841 --> 00:35:57,761 Speaker 1: you okay, that's killed it. I'm done what dogs dogs 797 00:35:57,841 --> 00:36:06,041 Speaker 1: or cats to walk along last doing I'm just like, yeah, 798 00:36:06,321 --> 00:36:10,561 Speaker 1: that's killed the move tang going on out. Yeah, this 799 00:36:10,761 --> 00:36:14,041 Speaker 1: is weird, ship mate, like this is as. 800 00:36:14,441 --> 00:36:16,121 Speaker 2: I don't worry. I've I've got I've got time for 801 00:36:16,201 --> 00:36:20,761 Speaker 2: all this ship I want to do. So where did 802 00:36:20,801 --> 00:36:21,521 Speaker 2: you end up going? After that? 803 00:36:21,921 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: I found myself in an auction house? 804 00:36:24,161 --> 00:36:26,001 Speaker 2: Where where is these auction houses? Where are they? 805 00:36:28,201 --> 00:36:31,401 Speaker 1: They just look like normal houses or industrial and. 806 00:36:31,441 --> 00:36:33,001 Speaker 2: You're just giving a notice where they're going to be 807 00:36:33,201 --> 00:36:33,881 Speaker 2: at a certain time. 808 00:36:34,001 --> 00:36:36,041 Speaker 1: Yea, they just pick you up off the streets somewhere 809 00:36:36,121 --> 00:36:39,601 Speaker 1: and you just obviously you get given the phone like 810 00:36:39,641 --> 00:36:42,281 Speaker 1: a burn the phone and he texts that'll come and 811 00:36:42,321 --> 00:36:44,281 Speaker 1: get you. You get picked up from there. 812 00:36:45,001 --> 00:36:47,401 Speaker 2: But like, like when you're saying there's there's it, like 813 00:36:47,481 --> 00:36:49,521 Speaker 2: sure that you can tell me something like you keep 814 00:36:49,561 --> 00:36:51,521 Speaker 2: telling you like this this happens, and this happens, but 815 00:36:51,681 --> 00:36:53,801 Speaker 2: like is this like true ship. 816 00:36:53,801 --> 00:36:56,601 Speaker 1: That it does happen? It does happen. 817 00:36:56,681 --> 00:36:59,121 Speaker 2: But wait, wait, like, okay, you're telling me there's an 818 00:36:59,121 --> 00:37:01,841 Speaker 2: auction house. Tell me a website. Now that I could 819 00:37:01,881 --> 00:37:03,161 Speaker 2: go on that, I can fucking find someone. 820 00:37:03,281 --> 00:37:06,521 Speaker 1: You probably find someone on br hook up and. 821 00:37:06,561 --> 00:37:08,321 Speaker 2: That's how I go on. So I go onto that 822 00:37:08,481 --> 00:37:10,441 Speaker 2: that chat line, they'll tell me what the fuck's going on, 823 00:37:10,521 --> 00:37:11,601 Speaker 2: and then that's how I find out what. 824 00:37:11,841 --> 00:37:15,121 Speaker 1: There's a couple of sites videus with Australia. 825 00:37:15,121 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me about your your new honor. 826 00:37:18,641 --> 00:37:21,921 Speaker 1: She's good, she's I can show you a photo afterwards. 827 00:37:23,801 --> 00:37:27,201 Speaker 1: She's good, she's understanding, she actually cares and loves me 828 00:37:27,321 --> 00:37:28,521 Speaker 1: and treats you with respect. 829 00:37:28,641 --> 00:37:30,961 Speaker 2: And did she have to buy you? How did she 830 00:37:31,081 --> 00:37:31,401 Speaker 2: find you? 831 00:37:31,921 --> 00:37:37,081 Speaker 1: We start talking on in Australia. 832 00:37:37,081 --> 00:37:39,201 Speaker 2: So that's how mostly everyone finds themselves on there. 833 00:37:39,241 --> 00:37:40,841 Speaker 1: They go on that site and they just talk, talk 834 00:37:40,921 --> 00:37:43,601 Speaker 1: and send up talking to people and finding out. I 835 00:37:43,721 --> 00:37:46,801 Speaker 1: actually have to do my own vetting process. 836 00:37:47,001 --> 00:37:48,481 Speaker 2: What do you what do you go on looks or 837 00:37:48,521 --> 00:37:49,641 Speaker 2: do you just go on I don't care. 838 00:37:49,961 --> 00:37:54,361 Speaker 1: I'd go on professionalism myself. I look professionalism, how much 839 00:37:54,481 --> 00:37:57,521 Speaker 1: experience I have? What they are overall? A gender is 840 00:37:58,001 --> 00:38:00,441 Speaker 1: what the objective is, what they want. 841 00:38:00,241 --> 00:38:02,321 Speaker 2: To have it. So that's mostly what everyone goes for 842 00:38:02,401 --> 00:38:03,961 Speaker 2: on this It's not about looks. It's just about what 843 00:38:04,041 --> 00:38:04,641 Speaker 2: you can do for me. 844 00:38:05,081 --> 00:38:08,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's space, and you know, eventually over time you've 845 00:38:08,521 --> 00:38:11,481 Speaker 1: become attracted to each other and you get to know 846 00:38:11,641 --> 00:38:13,881 Speaker 1: each other a little bit more and end up living 847 00:38:13,961 --> 00:38:14,881 Speaker 1: with them or whatever. 848 00:38:15,121 --> 00:38:17,081 Speaker 2: How's the sex life with the new one? Four months? 849 00:38:17,521 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 1: That's good? 850 00:38:18,281 --> 00:38:22,081 Speaker 2: Yeah, kinky ship, no kinky shit or there is. 851 00:38:22,201 --> 00:38:24,521 Speaker 1: A little bit. Yeah, when we got time, when we 852 00:38:24,601 --> 00:38:27,241 Speaker 1: got time because we both were busy, busy lives again. 853 00:38:27,321 --> 00:38:29,361 Speaker 1: But when we've got time, we have sessions together. 854 00:38:29,521 --> 00:38:35,441 Speaker 2: So well, I'm I'm still gobsmacked like about this episode 855 00:38:35,481 --> 00:38:39,321 Speaker 2: and what you've come up with, like, and to me, 856 00:38:39,521 --> 00:38:42,481 Speaker 2: it's you know, you seem to be you can't live 857 00:38:42,561 --> 00:38:45,441 Speaker 2: without it either by the looks of it, you need it, Yeah. 858 00:38:45,241 --> 00:38:47,241 Speaker 1: I do if I don't have it, if I don't 859 00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:48,281 Speaker 1: have this structure or. 860 00:38:48,841 --> 00:38:50,881 Speaker 2: Which is sad? I feel like I know that's I 861 00:38:50,921 --> 00:38:53,561 Speaker 2: don't want to sound disrespectful, but it's sad when you're 862 00:38:53,641 --> 00:38:55,721 Speaker 2: telling me that you need it otherwise you're going to 863 00:38:55,721 --> 00:38:57,241 Speaker 2: commit suicide because that's It's sad. 864 00:38:57,841 --> 00:39:01,081 Speaker 1: I can't. I've been walking around Melbourne for the last 865 00:39:01,201 --> 00:39:05,041 Speaker 1: couple of hours this morning and I was just walking around. 866 00:39:07,441 --> 00:39:11,241 Speaker 2: But but don't you're saying that. But you're living at 867 00:39:11,281 --> 00:39:15,081 Speaker 2: home anyway by yourself. Yeah, so what what? 868 00:39:15,281 --> 00:39:15,321 Speaker 1: What? 869 00:39:15,441 --> 00:39:17,041 Speaker 2: Why can't you just do it on the day to 870 00:39:17,121 --> 00:39:19,001 Speaker 2: day basis? Why do you need someone to control you? 871 00:39:19,481 --> 00:39:20,001 Speaker 2: I don't get it. 872 00:39:20,881 --> 00:39:22,121 Speaker 1: I'm being conditioned to it. 873 00:39:22,441 --> 00:39:24,521 Speaker 2: Are you just are you missing the kinky side of this, 874 00:39:25,001 --> 00:39:26,001 Speaker 2: the control thing of it? 875 00:39:26,441 --> 00:39:26,641 Speaker 1: Yeah? 876 00:39:27,321 --> 00:39:28,281 Speaker 2: Is that what you thrive on? 877 00:39:28,441 --> 00:39:28,561 Speaker 1: Is that? 878 00:39:28,761 --> 00:39:31,881 Speaker 2: Is that what you thrive on? Thrive on? Paint you paint? 879 00:39:31,961 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 2: You like pain? 880 00:39:32,961 --> 00:39:36,561 Speaker 1: I thrive on surviving and unsurviva If that makes sense. 881 00:39:37,201 --> 00:39:40,921 Speaker 2: What's what's what's your What can you see yourself doing 882 00:39:41,001 --> 00:39:42,001 Speaker 2: in the next ten years? 883 00:39:42,921 --> 00:39:46,161 Speaker 1: To be answer, I have not what the goal of yours. 884 00:39:46,281 --> 00:39:48,481 Speaker 2: Surely you have got some goal in life to fucking 885 00:39:48,921 --> 00:39:51,601 Speaker 2: you can't be gone by every week, every day thinking 886 00:39:51,801 --> 00:39:53,561 Speaker 2: just like this. Sure you don't want to be chained 887 00:39:53,601 --> 00:39:55,161 Speaker 2: up for the rest of your fucking life. 888 00:39:56,801 --> 00:40:00,201 Speaker 1: Is change jobs? So out of all this you just 889 00:40:00,241 --> 00:40:04,081 Speaker 1: want to change job, change jobs. I've been doing well. 890 00:40:04,121 --> 00:40:06,241 Speaker 2: Can't be that out of can change jobs? Mate? Like 891 00:40:07,721 --> 00:40:09,441 Speaker 2: as I said to you, I would rather get abuse 892 00:40:09,521 --> 00:40:11,521 Speaker 2: at work than have a fist up my fucking ars 893 00:40:12,361 --> 00:40:14,961 Speaker 2: or getting fucking whipped. Well, I want to say, Jacket's 894 00:40:15,081 --> 00:40:20,921 Speaker 2: that's been an interesting episode. I'm yeah, I'm lost for words. 895 00:40:21,001 --> 00:40:24,241 Speaker 2: What's fucking to say and what you what you've been 896 00:40:24,281 --> 00:40:26,321 Speaker 2: through and what you do. And I'd love to know 897 00:40:26,481 --> 00:40:29,561 Speaker 2: more about this auction thing, but you know you don't 898 00:40:29,561 --> 00:40:31,201 Speaker 2: want you can't open up or you don't want to 899 00:40:31,201 --> 00:40:32,641 Speaker 2: open up, and you know what I mean, But I 900 00:40:32,641 --> 00:40:34,481 Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe I'll do more research on it, but 901 00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:37,001 Speaker 2: I just want to say, you know, thanks for coming 902 00:40:37,041 --> 00:40:40,641 Speaker 2: on and reaching out. It's opened up a bit of 903 00:40:40,681 --> 00:40:43,361 Speaker 2: a can of Williams I reckon. Yeah, thanks for coming on. 904 00:40:43,361 --> 00:40:45,241 Speaker 1: Bro, appreciate it. 905 00:40:47,121 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 2: If you love the show and you want more people 906 00:40:49,041 --> 00:40:51,641 Speaker 2: to hear the stories, make sure you hit follow on 907 00:40:51,801 --> 00:40:54,761 Speaker 2: your podcast player and make sure you do it or 908 00:40:54,801 --> 00:40:56,001 Speaker 2: I'll come fucking looking for you.