WEBVTT - INTRODUCING: Cocaine Inc. 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:00.520 Hi. 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.800 I'm Stephen Drill, the host of a new podcast from 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.320 the team behind crim City. It's called Cocaine Inc. A 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:10.719 team of three reporters have traveled fifty thousand kilometers across 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:14.160 the globe to bring you an unprecedented insight into the 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:17.640 cocaine business. We speak to corrupt doc workers in Rotterdam, 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.680 shaddy gold dealers in Dubai, and taking inside Mexico's Narco 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:26.040 tunnels where cocaine is smuggled into the US. Check out 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.240 Cocaine Inc. Wherever you get your podcasts. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.120 This is not a video game. This is real life. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.600 Your goals to a fucking poplar Christmas Eve with a 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.440 machine gul if it was someone going there with a baseball. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.559 But I have a grievance with someone that's Sunderds. That 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.880 happens every weekend. But you go somewhere with the machine 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:48.640 muscle when it is you go on as kill someone. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.120 It's Christmas Eve. On the We're all a comfortable suburban 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.880 area just outside Liverpool, a port city in the north 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:06.760 of England. Twenty six year old Ellie Edwards is heading 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.600 to a local pub with her younger sister Lucy. Ellie 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:14.080 is a little less enthusiastic than her sister. She's been 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.280 hungover for a couple of days already, but she's decided 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:21.280 to head out for another night a beautician. Her long 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:23.880 blonde hair falls down over her leather jacket and a 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:28.480 big silver necklace. Inside the Lighthouse Pub, the sisters are 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:33.600 soon singing and dancing together. Sometime after nine point thirty pm, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.119 Lucy heads home. She tells Ellie not to stay out late. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:41.360 Ellie says she'll just be another hour and continues back 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:46.120 at the pub. What Ellie cannot know is that a 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.600 man is also standing outside the pub in the car park. 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:55.200 He's been waiting and watching the area for around three hours. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:08.240 He's carrying a Scorpion submachine gun. I'm Fiona Hamilton, the 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.520 chief reporter at The Times and from The Times, The 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:16.679 Sunday Times and News Corps Australia. This is Cocaine. In 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:32.000 episode one, are shooting at Christmas. Trying to understand what 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.560 happened next on that night in twenty twenty two ended 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.280 up being a much bigger task than one reporter could 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:42.560 do alone. Over the past year, I've been working in 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.440 a team from two separate countries with my colleagues David 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.640 Collins from the Sunday Times in the UK. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.040 So you were part of. 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.200 A group that smuggled one hundred million pounds out of 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:55.680 the UK. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:58.640 How do you reflect on that? 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.880 And Stephen Drill from News Corp Australia. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.640 This is the end of the line. 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.400 I'm just about to go in Kno on the door 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.240 of a ten million dollar house that is accused of 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:14.720 being the proceeds of crime. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.400 This investigation has taken us to ten different cities in 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:25.079 six countries, traveling over fifty thousand kilometers, following trail from 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:28.360 that pub in Northern England where Ellie was celebrating Christmas, 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.080 and leading us to Colombian cartels, drug smuggling in Mexico, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.680 a torture chamber in the Netherlands, money laundering in the 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:40.520 Middle East, and police raids across Australia. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:45.080 Sydney's gun crime epidemic has claimed two more lives tonight. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.520 Police have established Task Force Magnus to try to win 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:49.200 the bloodshed. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.960 What we uncovered was a global business operation based around 0:03:54.960 --> 0:04:00.000 a single illegal product, one so common that, let's be honest, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.280 it's likely that you or someone you know has snorted 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:09.160 a line recently we'll reveal how the world's legitimate business 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:13.160 empires trading floors and boardrooms have their shadowy equivalents in 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:25.200 the cartels, traffickers and kingpins. But for now, this story 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:30.760 starts with Ellie Edwards. David Collins, the Sunday Times Northern editor, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:32.440 went to meet her father. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.599 I'm in Merseyside, probably most famous around the world for 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:46.440 the Beatles and Liverpool football club, from the city of 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.160 Liverpool itself. I've made a short drive through the Kingsway 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.800 tunnel under the river to an area called the wirel. 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.560 Like David, I've come to meet Tim Edwards. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.600 He's the father of Ellie Edwards, the young woman who 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:12.360 went to the pub on Christmas Eve. He's never spoken 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:15.080 about that night. In the detail you're about to hear. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:24.560 It doesn't get any easier. Sometimes you can. You can 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.360 feel you're getting ahead a bit and dealing with things, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:33.560 and everything's getting you know, it's going to be brighter 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:35.880 as the future, and then something will come along and 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:41.920 trigger a memory or and then I might struggle for 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:45.400 a couple of days, But as it happens, today, today's 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:45.880 a good day. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.880 Tim is tall and broad, with thick streaked gray hair 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.320 and a beard. He's an imposing figure and I guess 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.200 you might describe him as a man's man, the type 0:05:58.200 --> 0:05:59.960 of guy you'd sink a few pints in the pub 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.640 with and chat about football and life. He was born 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.880 in nineteen seventy one and came of age in Liverpool 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.440 in the eighties, a tough time for the city with 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:15.039 high unemployment, but he remembers a close knit working class community. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.280 No matter how bad things were, your neighbor would be 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.400 looking out for you, you know, the local bobby. He 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.719 would be on a bike or he'd be walking around 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.440 and he'd be keeping an eye on the kids. Then 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:30.080 if the kids would get up, you know good, he'd 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:31.720 just go on knock on the door and tell your 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:33.800 mother and father. The next minute you get a clip 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:34.240 around here. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.880 Or when he got in as a young man, like many, 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:42.000 he went out clubbing, which is where he met his wife, Gainer. 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:46.880 Back in the ninety early nineties. The club seems massive 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:50.440 of Liverpool And. 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.120 Yeah, I met her on a nighthouse and what happened 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:52.760 after that? 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.680 You were just yeah, just fell in love. Yeah, I 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.279 fell in love. I started having kids. I was a 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.640 young lad and I was just a whatever I could 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.359 to put food on the table and build a family, 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.360 you know, build a home. That just did me best. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:18.240 The couple's first child was a boy, and then on 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.680 the tenth of May in nineteen ninety six, their second 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.680 came along, a daughter called Ellie. 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:32.240 She was never a problem. She was always there's some 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.640 kids want when the babies are to be up all night, 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.960 the one feeding every couple of a couple of hours. 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:46.120 What left my life? Yeah, so yeah, she was never 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.880 a bother. We have four kids all together, Connor, Ellie, 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.440 Lucy and George. It was a great It was a 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:55.080 happy house. 0:07:57.320 --> 0:07:59.840 Can you remember Ellie's bedroom when she was a tea? 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.480 Like typical typical girl, to be honest, if he could help, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:10.800 but never went in there. Yeah, typical teenagers where you 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:12.040 just don't want to go in there. 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:17.520 You just don't know what you're going to find. What 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:18.280 was she into? 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:22.040 What would she do on her a Saturday night for. 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.400 Example, Well, when she was a child, or. 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:27.800 She's in a fifteen sixteen. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:31.560 Oh god, I remember their best friend. She died of 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.680 her and I must have seen every color of the 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:39.120 rainbow at least three times over. You'd see them coming 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:42.160 now ready to go out on Friday, Saturday night or whatever, 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:43.760 and you'd have different color of it. 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.320 As an adult, Ellie put that creativity to good use. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.040 She left school at sixteen to study beauty at college 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.800 and also became a qualified dental nurse. 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:58.640 She had a bit of space in one of her 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:03.760 friends had a beauty She wanted to build this beautician 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:07.160 side of her life for killer if you like. And 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:13.960 Monday to Friday she would do the gentleness work. So 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.600 that was a bread and butter if you like. So 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:19.280 she worked hard, she worked early hard. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.160 Ellie was a young woman with a bright future ahead 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:27.360 of her, balancing two careers and close with her family. 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.560 Although Tim and Gainor had now split, Christmas remained a 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:32.800 full and happy time. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.680 Because although me and the one were not together, and 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.240 I hadn't been for a couple of years, but I 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.160 would still make the Christmas dinner and we would all 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.000 meet up and have Christmas together. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:52.280 So can you remember Christmas Eve? And did you see 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:53.319 Ellie that day? 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:59.319 We'd been out the day before to Manchester. We've been 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:08.920 to from markets and shopping and the next day she 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:14.160 bought me a coat for Christmas. And the original plan 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:20.240 was for her to come to mine and she was 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.080 going to help me wrap the presents for me, grands, 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.439 all the other kids and there and. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:32.439 What she didn't. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:40.120 Instead of wrapping presents, though, Ellie rang her dad and 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.040 said she was going out with her sister Lucy. The 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:47.240 pair were close, and Lucy had made a surprise trip 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.439 back from Dubai for the festive period. 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.720 It could have been so different if we just stuck 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.040 to our plan. But girls being the girls, it was 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:57.400 never going to stick to that plan. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:00.000 She just going out. 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:02.520 We're friends, which is quite right what you should have 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:02.880 been doing. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.640 Ellie and Lucy headed to a pub called the Lighthouse. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:12.440 The pubs in the middle of a small row of 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.959 shops and businesses, surrounded by residential streets and set a 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:18.000 little back from the road. 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:20.839 There's a large beer garden out front. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.920 Inside it's a big, spacious boozer, the kind of place 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.160 where you can watch sport, play pool, gamble on the 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:30.120 machines in the corner. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.520 Back at home, Tim went to bed. 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.040 I don't know what time. It was, well three o'clock, 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:44.120 maybe two o'clock, I don't know. And they eventually they 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.760 banged on my door and got me up power bed 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:49.520 and he opened the doors saw. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.679 And can you remember what he said to you? 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.400 Said it was early we need Tory Gospel. 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:11.040 Let's pause a second, because on that Christmas Eve, it's 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.080 the actions of someone Tim had never even heard of 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.920 that would change his life beyond recognition. A few miles 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:22.320 from the pub, a man puts on dark clothes with 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:26.479 a hood and gloves. He gets in a stolen Mercedes 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:30.880 with false license plates. For three hours, he drives to 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:37.080 six different locations, watching and waiting, before finally settling on 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:42.199 a parking spot near the front of the lighthouse. At 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.959 the same time, Ellie is laughing with friends inside the pub. 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.800 She spots someone across the room and makes her way 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:51.040 over to give them a hug. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:57.080 At eleven forty seven pm, she goes outside for a cigarette. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.600 In the car park, the man waits around the corner, 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:06.680 out of sight, wearing a mask. He's holding the Scorpion 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.440 submachine gun loaded with twelve bullets. 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:12.160 He moves forward. 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:17.520 Until he's only a few meters away from Ellie and fires. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:29.079 CCTV caught the attack, the man retreats, scrambles into the 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:30.880 stolen car, and speeds off. 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:33.960 Six people have been shot. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:42.080 I just remember getting to the hospital h as click 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.360 as it could. It was quite hearing. There was no 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:53.040 one there. Oh, I remember the sage and coming down 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.720 and he's just just was awful. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.800 And it was obviously the early hours of the morning 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.280 Christmas Christmas Day. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.680 There's nobody there, and there's You're with your son and. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:14.719 The kids and all the family and the apology and 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:20.840 the children's was which was crazy. It was I remember, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.520 I was just angry. There was no patience or kids 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:34.480 in it. And yeah, yeah, I was just very angry. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.560 Was it the surgeon in that moment that broke the 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.040 news that Elliot had died? 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:43.120 And what was. 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.960 And your initial act reaction was anger? 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:53.400 Yeah, yeah, I was just ready. I was ready to 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:58.080 go to war. I was ready to flatten the hole 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.400 of the world, no bother. 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:07.240 And did you have any idea at that point of 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.480 how she died? They knew she'd been shot. 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:18.280 Well that was the only thing really I was still though. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.240 I was contained. She was going to turn up at 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:26.800 the most. I tried drinking her phone. 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.800 After the moment with the surgery, tried to ring a phone. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.400 H What was the purpose of ringing her phone. 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.080 To speak to her? 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:42.240 Did you get a voicemail or a message or just for. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.480 I actually remember seeing Tim on television after Ellie's death. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.400 On Boxing Day, he went to lay flowers on the 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.920 pavement outside the pub. The waiting news cameras zoomed in 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.320 on him as he arrived. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.920 At the scene where she was killed. Ellie's family came 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:12.240 to lay flowers for a woman they so deeply loved. 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.400 On what was supposed to be the happiest few days, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.440 they've undoubtedly been the worst. 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:24.200 It's a blair, to be honest, So much happens. I 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:27.280 always explain that as being in an elevator that doesn't 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.960 stop at any floor, just keeps calling up so you 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.520 can never get off. Just so much that goes on 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.360 really quickly to process, and I was protecting the family 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.280 from having to deal with all that, so I bore 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:42.400 the brunts of all of it. 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.600 Merseyside Police acted quickly. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:46.960 Hello. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.920 First of all, I'm going to read a statement on 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:54.040 behalf of Ellie's family. There was no one as beautiful 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.920 as our Ellie may her looks. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.680 In a press conference in the week after Ellie's death, 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:06.280 I watched Tim sitting next to a detective superintendent as 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.479 she read from a statement the family had written. 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:13.720 Everyone that knew, and met El knew how special she was. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.159 Off the six people were shot that night, Ellie was 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:23.440 only one not to survive. Looking back at this now, 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.920 the grief is obvious on Tim's face. From time to time, 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.280 he sniffs and his lip quivers as if he's holding 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:31.879 back tears. 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:35.320 The officer appeals for information. 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.719 They don't deserve to be protected. They belong in prison. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:45.200 We know that the answers to this lie within our communities. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.879 So my appeal to you is, please tell us what 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.640 you know and help us get justice for Ellie's family. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:55.679 And the public responded. 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.720 In a week after her murder, the police received a 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:03.320 hundred and fifty tips and leads, suggestions of people to 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:08.760 look at and over potential evidence. Then, after two weeks, 0:18:09.359 --> 0:18:13.399 on the tenth of January in twenty twenty three, a 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:16.439 twenty two year old called Connor Chapman was arrested in 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:20.919 North Wales. He was spotted in a supermarket where he's 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.400 rushed at the check out and detained by playing clothes 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:25.200 police officers. 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.040 This is surrendous. What do you know you go so 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.800 pub with a machine gun and Christmas Eve? Really, come on, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.479 this is not a video game. This is real life, 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.960 you go so fucking pub on Christmas Eve with a 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.720 machine gun if it was someone going over a baseball 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.919 bat and have a grievance with someone, that's standard, that 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.440 happens every weekend. But you go somewhere with the machine guns. 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.040 Matter when it is you go on is kill someone. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.879 That machine gun is not gonna just slightly hate someone. 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.440 It's going to kill someone. So who the fuck goes 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:01.200 over with that mentality, and especially on Christmas Eve? I 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:05.240 just it's one thing that makes me angry. What part 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.840 of your brain makes that think that that's okay. 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.560 Chapman soon found himself in the dock at Liverpool Crown Court. 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:17.320 The very first day of the trial, he walked into 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.720 the courtroom. He's obviously behind a piece of glass and 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.240 all that protected, but he decided to give it a 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:27.040 bit of a show of bravado. But you know what, 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.840 within twenty minutes he never looked at me again, because 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.399 he's just a coward. 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.879 The trial lasted sixteen days and after around four hours 0:19:38.920 --> 0:19:43.520 of deliberation, the jury found Chapman guilty of Ellie's murder. 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:50.200 The judge sentenced him to forty eight years behind bars. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:55.720 The murder of Ellie Edwards has caused profound and permanent 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.119 grief to her family and a great shock to the 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.959 entire community. So that it's understood by you, Connor Chapman, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.919 as well as those who are observing. It means that 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.240 you will have to serve forty eight years in custody 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:13.280 before you could apply for release, and if you're ever released, 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.080 and considering your dangerousness, that might never happen. 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.280 Just in the last few minutes, this guilty verdict for 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.320 Connor Chapman found guilty of murdering Ellie Edwards. 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:27.080 Ellie Edwards's father Tim once again looking directly at Connor 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.640 Chapman as those verdicts were read out to him as 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.440 he stood in the dock. 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:37.680 The amounts of people involved in this investigation from day one, 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.880 literally from the minute it happened, has been remarkable, and 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:47.240 they did not give up. They were relentless and achieving 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.439 the goal, which is to get justice for Ellie and 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:54.040 catch the killer. Thankfully, now he's got forty eight years 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.399 and hopefully he never sees Christmas again. 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.040 What are your feelings towards I mean, I know you 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.360 said earlier to me before the interview. 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.440 You know you can't even say his name. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.520 I'll never mention his name doesn't deserve the breath out 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.440 of my mouth. So mentioned his name as far as 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.760 I was a piece of shit. And what happened to 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:29.360 him until his last breath, I couldn't curless. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.800 So what was Chapman doing that night? Why was he 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:37.840 spraying bullets into a busy pub beer garden. Well, he'd 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.240 actually been targeting two men who Ellie happened to be 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.920 standing near. You see, Chapman was from a place called 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.800 the wood Church Estate, a notorious area not far from 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:52.359 the pub. The previous day, one of his associates had 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:56.560 been beaten up by rival gang. He was seeking revenge. 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.879 When the case came to court, Chapman said he was 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:05.560 a quote low level cocaine dealer. The shooting was part 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:10.639 of an ongoing conflict between rival gangs fighting over territory 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:16.200 in the area's cocaine trade. The same month that Chapman 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:20.040 was convicted of murder, July twenty twenty three, on the 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.160 other side of the world, five people were shot within 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.520 five days in Sydney, Australia, two of them killed in 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:29.600 another tit for tat gang. 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:33.959 Conflict, escalating gang wars in Sydney is leading our bullsom 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.520 with New South Wales police under pressure to approve they 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.000 have controlled the street. 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:42.399 That conflict was over a shipment of cocaine that went missing. 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:45.719 The shipment was said to be worth around one hundred 0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:50.640 million Australian dollars. One of the murdered men was left 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.159 lying on the road. School children subjected to the horror 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:57.440 on a Canterbury street passing the body of a man 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:02.120 his death, like in that gang war, and like Ellie's 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:04.760 had one thing in common. 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:09.640 We rid all is cocaine. Mainly that gets enormous profits 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:10.919 for criminals here in Sydney. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:16.399 The cocaine trade one of the most lucrative businesses in 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:21.400 the world, a business where the global supply is currently 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:25.679 at record levels, where the profits are counted in millions 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:27.639 and the loss is measured. 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:28.480 Out in murders. 0:23:29.400 --> 0:23:32.280 But those in charge don't care about the human cost. 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:35.880 It's only business and right now. 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.160 Business is good. 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:47.000 Coming up in this series we go inside that multimillion 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:53.280 dollar global industry. 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:56.080 Very casually. 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:58.679 The guy says, all right, so if they've found this, 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.720 they know about the torture self, And I'm like, torts yourself, 0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:02.960 what are you talking about. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.159 I'm down here in a NA tunnel. 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:08.240 We're about eighty meters from the Mexican. 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.080 Border, and to be honest, it's just quite frightening. 0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.680 I raise my hands and I say to my God, 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:20.880 I forgive the person that did me that. And I 0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:25.600 say to my God, forgive them and forgive me, because 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:28.720 in this thing I need you so much. 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:33.000 I think we can arrest our way out of this. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:34.760 They are twenty four to seven. 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:38.119 They are notified by money, greed and ego, and that 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.320 drives and it's power. 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:47.280 Just between you and me, just between your me. Literally, 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:49.800 some of the money might be from like drugs in 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:50.200 the UK. 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:53.400 Yeah, the cameras. 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:56.080 It's too dangerous. 0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:00.439 You're worried, it's too dangerous to get out. Are you 0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:01.600 worried about my safety? 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:02.520 Of course. 0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:04.720 You are, my guest. 0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:08.399 What are these rows about? Do you think you know 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.200 what it's about. I don't have to say the word, 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:12.680 you know the word drugs. 0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:15.560 I'm getting down today. 0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:19.000 The first time I saw the money, I felt like 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:20.160 I was in a film. 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.240 I couldn't believe how much it was, and I thought, 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:38.359 what the fuck have I got myself into? How would 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.960 you like her to be remembered. 0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:46.000 I'd like it to be remembered for being a good soul, 0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.480 good example two women. 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:50.199 You know. 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:57.120 I'm fortunately never got to to see the grand kids 0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:06.160 that we may have had, really, but just oh, she's 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:12.719 always spoke about in a good, positive way. 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:16.240 Since Eli died, a foundation that has been set up 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.760 in her name. Its mission is to raise awareness of 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:22.399 gun crime and help families affected by it. 0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:35.879 Cocaine Inc. Is a joint investigation from the Times, The 0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:40.800