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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fear and Greed Summer series. I'm Michael Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking about Samsung versus Apple. Who won

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Speaker 1: the year between the two big tech giants. Stephen Fennick

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Speaker 1: is the editor of tech guide dot com dot au

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Speaker 1: and the person that we go to for all of

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Speaker 1: our tech news. Steven, Welcome back to Fear and Greed.

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Speaker 2: Gooda, Michael, Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Samsung vi Apple really the battle over phones. Let's start there.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps because we had the iPhone seventeen from Apple, Samsung

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Speaker 1: had the S twenty five earlier in the year, and

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Speaker 1: some announcements later in the year. Head to head, who won.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say I think well, Samsung may have got

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Speaker 2: the edge. They released their products earlier in the year

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Speaker 2: so they can get a real foothold in the market.

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Speaker 2: So the S twenty five was back in January, and

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Speaker 2: the z Fold seven, which was a really impressive new

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Speaker 2: foldable device that was that was launched later in the year.

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Speaker 2: I think was launched in late July early August, so

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Speaker 2: they sort of hit the ground running. Apple, as you know,

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Speaker 2: they don't have their launch schedule till after September. But

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Speaker 2: I think the seventeen. Really the iPhone seventeen, the entry

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Speaker 2: level model, really won them a lot of customers. It

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Speaker 2: was a great value device that had all the features

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Speaker 2: you'd expect in the flagship models of the iPhone, but

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Speaker 2: at an affordable price. And the seventeen pros also had

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Speaker 2: a remarkable camera technology and really pushed themselves in that direction,

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Speaker 2: truly made them professional devices. So Apple late in the

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Speaker 2: year had a bit of a resurgence. But I think

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Speaker 2: if you add it all up, i'd say Samsung and

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Speaker 2: they just recently, by the way, just dropped the trifold smartphone.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about this because this

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Speaker 1: I don't under I haven't even embraced the single fold yet,

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Speaker 1: and yet now we're talking about adding multiple folds. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how does it work?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the trifold. I actually wrote a story that

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Speaker 2: we will see it before the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Will be released by the end of the year. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: it's not coming to Australia as yet. It's only going

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Speaker 2: to be released in a few markets. Has been released

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Speaker 2: in December. But it really just it's Samsung flexing their

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Speaker 2: technology and the big rumor. I think the reason they

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Speaker 2: did that is the big room. The next year is

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Speaker 2: that Apple is going to introduce its first foldable smartphone

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Speaker 2: as well, So I think that Apple joining in quite late,

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Speaker 2: whereas Samsung's got a decade of experience in infoldable devices.

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Speaker 2: So I think next year you're going to see an

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Speaker 2: even more fierce battle between the two. But I have

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Speaker 2: to say, I think Samsung in terms of releasing devices

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Speaker 2: at all levels, so they had smartphones that were really

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Speaker 2: affordable mid range phones, and then all their flagships, including

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Speaker 2: the remarkable z fal seven. I reckon that's my pick

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Speaker 2: for phone of the year is the z fold seven,

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Speaker 2: so thin and durable and yet has a great front

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Speaker 2: screen opened up to a big middle screen as well,

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Speaker 2: big tablet sized screen. So yeah, that's I think they

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Speaker 2: get the chocolates mate.

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Speaker 1: In terms of customers moving between the two, are you

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Speaker 1: either a Samsung for life or an Apple for life?

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Speaker 1: Or are these products good enough to kind of coax

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Speaker 1: you out of one camp and into the other?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I think I did ask

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Speaker 2: Samsung this, and yeah, you're right there. Once you're in

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Speaker 2: an ecosystem, it's pretty hard to get out of it.

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Speaker 2: You need you need to get a new watch, and

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Speaker 2: new headphones and all of that. So it's commitment. But

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Speaker 2: according to Samsung, their foldable devices are the ones that

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Speaker 2: attract Apple switches. So the Apple customers who want to

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Speaker 2: go to a folding device, they don't have an Apple

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Speaker 2: product of that kind, so often they reckon a high

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Speaker 2: percentage of new customers to the folder are old iPhone customers.

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Speaker 2: But next year, as I said, we could potentially see

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Speaker 2: Apple releasing that foldable device, So that appetite for a

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Speaker 2: foldable device is going to be met by Apple themselves.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what about wearables? Looking at say the watch, who's

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Speaker 1: doing a better job of making these devices that people

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Speaker 1: actually want to incorporate into their everyday life. Because a

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Speaker 1: watch is something that is it is on you at

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Speaker 1: all times, it's going to be functional, it's got to

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Speaker 1: look good, and increasingly that there has to be a

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Speaker 1: health element to it as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, I think or Apple have been leading

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Speaker 2: the way with the with their Apple Watch and now

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Speaker 2: the new Apple Watch Ultra. Samsung, though they're there, Galaxy

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Speaker 2: watches have been fantastic products for years and the latest range,

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Speaker 2: the Galaxy Watch eight. The Galaxy Watch a classic or

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Speaker 2: offer the same health features as iPhone as sorry as

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Speaker 2: Apple Watch. Apple Watch introduced like ECG and full detection,

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Speaker 2: and all these safety features and health features as does

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Speaker 2: app as does Samsung. They're all there on Samsung as well,

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Speaker 2: Like you can wear you watch to bed and it

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Speaker 2: will tell you if you may have traces of sleep apnea,

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Speaker 2: or you can get alerts for high heart rate, low

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Speaker 2: heart rate, or you can if you have a tumble,

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Speaker 2: it'll call triple zero contact of one of your friends

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Speaker 2: or family and give a share your location. So things

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Speaker 2: like that that both camps are doing. But I'd say

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Speaker 2: in the wearable space, I think Apple's attachment rate with

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Speaker 2: iPhones and among their own ecosystem I think is pretty strong.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one last question, because we are running out of time.

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Speaker 1: Big picture here from a business strategy perspective, which company

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Speaker 1: would you say is better positioned heading into twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Is it one that's focused it seems on kind of

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Speaker 1: ecosystem lockin as in Apple, or the one that you

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Speaker 1: would say is probably pushing the innovation side of it

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Speaker 1: a little bit harder and faster, and further being Samsung

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Speaker 1: with their Trifoled phones and the like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say at this point, it'd be Samsung because

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Speaker 2: one thing I didn't mention was AI. Samsung is well

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Speaker 2: ahead of Apple in terms of AI. They've got their

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Speaker 2: own Galaxy AI, they've got Gemini Live on their devices

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Speaker 2: as well, and Apple Intelligence unfortunately, and by their own admission,

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Speaker 2: was it ready isn't going to be ready till twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six. So that's one area where Apple's lagging. So

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Speaker 2: Samsung's going to start the new year with even better

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Speaker 2: Galaxy AI. They're going to launch the S twenty six

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Speaker 2: in the first couple of months of twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, Samsung's gonna hit the ground running.

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Speaker 2: An Apple, of course, won't have a new iPhone till

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Speaker 2: September next year, so there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: of time for Samsung to make makes up some ground.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Stephen, thank you very much for talking

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Speaker 1: to Fear and Greed summer series.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure. Thanks a lot, Michael.

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Speaker 1: That was Stephen Fennick, editor of tech Guide dot com

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Speaker 1: dot AU. Don't forget to follow on the podcast, new

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Speaker 1: episodes every day during our summer series and regular shows.

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Speaker 1: It back from January twelve to Michael Thompson and this

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